Lord.
I think we should agree that repentance is part of the gospel message, and
both repentance of a bad attitude toward Jesus as well as repentance from
other sins is what is in mind.
David Miller.
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u.
If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for
my Father is greater than I.
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had
only to do with position and not glory, then you are dead wrong.
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From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:09
PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
I'm puzzled by your _expression_, Judy 'what about
Jesu
Excellent point, Judy!
David Miller.
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Judy
Taylor
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:02
AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Nineveh
Did their paganism and total lack of Godly
comprehension keep them from
his hearers' question: "What shall
> we do?" (v37)
It appears to me that they were convicted of their sin of having crucified
Jesus. Peter got a little personal. He said, "God hath made that same
Jesus, whom YE have crucified, both Lord and Christ." Kind of sound
at the answer is not what I think it is. Perhaps Judy has been
right all along in her appraisal of you boys and I am the one who has been
thinking too optimistically about your salvation and ontological status in
Jesus Christ.
David Miller.
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what I believe.
I do have to ask you, however, that when you say, "an
indwelling that cannot possibly miss the mark because He has become a part of
the ontology of the saint," are you claiming an ontological infallibility for
yourself simply because you are a Christian?
g Jesus'
position therein, rather than a changing of one's mind about his
participation in sin. Would you care to clarify? I bet Judy smells a rat
here. :-)
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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rt of the gospel.
Why are you saying that Bill does not believe that repentance is part of the
gospel?
David Miller.
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To:
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The
d
begging you to come back again. Right before your eyes, the wheat and the
chaff become separated, the sheep and the goats are divided.
I hope I have not taken too much of your time. I don't think we are really
that far apart on this matter, but perhaps my comments will provoke some
additional co
sorry if this confused you.
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n's religion,
political affiliation, ethnic background, etc.).
(words from the Nizkor Project).
So, David, please stop telling me that I do not know what I am talking
about.
jd
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d more about it at the link above. There are much better
discussions elsewhere, but I simply do not have the time to look up the
references for you right now.
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d to differ from him about whether or not it
would be proper to call him Jesus prior to his birth as a man, but I will
leave that discussion for another time.
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hical rationalist. The term
"philosophical rationalist" was invented by men, not God. It is a divisive,
contradictory term that most of the time does not serve a useful, godly
purpose.
David Miller.
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that post that warranted any
comment from me.
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re going to leave the job to others, be sure to have
collected some interest from them by the time your master returns. Bear in
mind that if you invest in the wrong people, you will lose everything when
the time of reckoning comes upon you.
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Well, you do make a good point here, Judy. Nevertheless, in your zeal to
make this point, make sure you do not deny the doctrine of the Incarnation.
It is a helpful teaching.
Peace be with you.
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y which included miracles. Do you see anything faulty with
the way I am thinking on this subject Judy?
Peace be with you.
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David Miller wrote:
>> ... I pointed out that your assertion that Judy should
>> not believe that the Holy Spirit would lead her into
>> all truth was blasphemous. Please try to read me
>> a little better, please.
Lance wrote:
> I read you correctly. Yours is a distinc
t you begin to formulate your own reasons for
believing what you believe. You might think that you are not smart enough
to do it, but you are. It is courage you need, boldness, to begin to think
for yourself. It is there within you. Make use of it. Don't bury your
talent.
Peace be wit
t so sure she is too far off base with this characterization. We will
know the truth of it by how the intellectuals respond.
David Miller.
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truth.
This is the incarnation, Judy. The Word was made flesh.
John also wrote the following:
1 John 4:2
(2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that
Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
Do you confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? If so, th
myth (you are begging the question in your analysis below, assuming that
the fathers hold no authority whatsoever, which is the assertion being made in
the first place.)
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should do so
from an informed and educated position or you will be the one who looks
ridiculous.
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ase
try to read me a little better, please.
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an Aristotle, but my philosophy and teaching
is more like Jesus Christ than anyone else that was ever born.
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statements. Rebut them if you
> wish -- with Scripture or whatever other source
> you would like to use ...
Yes, Judy, please oblige Bill in this regard. Thanks.
Peace be with you.
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how
of an archaic religion that most people find
unnecessary for life.
Considering the actual record we have of what was preached, starting with
John the Baptist, moving to Jesus, and then to his apostles, is the message,
"Repent or be damned" really not part of the gospel? What do you thin
Please remember, TruthTalk participants, that when the moderator speaks as
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r talking
about different aspects about it, without fear of being labeled a heretic
and removed from fellowship.
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le with one's own
personal thinking. Talk about what Judy believes rather than about her. Is
it possible for you to do that?
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gh the hole while
holding the rock. Whether the paw itself is large or small does not matter.
It simply needs to add enough to the diameter of the rock that the rock with
the paw around it cannot be pulled back through the hole.
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focus more upon Scripture and the Holy Spirit as your teacher, excluding
other influences. In contrast, Bill opens himself up a great deal to other
sources of information.
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gree with her
about this persepctive, this is Judy. If you are going to communicate with
her, you will have to learn to understand and respect this aspect about her.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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Dean use logic when he writes, eh? :-)
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Blaine wrote:
> Let's face it, SPs were not popular even
> among those opposed to the Plaza.
Do you mean, "even among those opposed
to the PRIVATIZATION of the Plaza"?
I'm only asking you to consider the
ultimate WHY concerning the objection to Street Preachers. There are
many reasons
vinity, and the answer hits directly upon a proper understanding of the
Incarnation.
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Blaine, if money were not involved, don't you think the outcome would have
been a bit different? Follow the money, Blaine. The love of money is the
root of all evil. The Mormons supplied the money. The city leaders took
it. Think about it.
Peace be with you.
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s (as Debbie articulated recently), then work on that a
little more and then bring in the other. It seems to me that Dean has been
doing that recently. Don't you guys like the "new" Dean? Don't you become
more open to hearing him as you find that there is some common ground
I think there was only one person who said it. Kevin, if I remember
correctly, and I corrected him and told him that it was an ad hominem argument
even if it was true.
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's background is Church of Christ,
which is another restoration movement with historial roots similar to
Mormonism. Their attitude toward other "Protestants" is not unlike Mormons.
Peace be with you.
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The love being expressed is not toward the one being damned, but toward the
rest of society. It is impossible to have a utopian community of love if
there is even one single wicked person living freely in it. Just look at
the world and what a mess it is in.
Peace be with you.David Miller.
is Church of Christ,
which is another restoration movement with historial roots similar to
Mormonism. Their attitude toward other "Protestants" is not unlike Mormons.
Peace be with you.
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Father.
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myth ("For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will
of hi
er do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a
candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
(16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works,
and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
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was the message that the kingdom of God is here now... time to
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If you do not
Lance wrote:
>>> You are a 'godly woman' with a heretical theology
>>> of Jesus, Judy. that's why. Better than I have attempted
>>> (Bill, John and, even DavidM) with no success.
David Miller wrote:
>> The only value of doctrine is to produce godli
ast. I'm excited and full of joy, looking forward
to a wonderful year in Christ.
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If
godly woman, then it is impossible for her to have a
heretical theology of Jesus. Perhaps what you mean to say is that there is
some room for improvement in her understanding of the incarnation.
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e same historical person named Jesus Christ. Do you see it
differently?
Lance wrote:
> Watch that anger, DavidM.
Are you upset today, Lance? What anger are you talking about? I'm having a
very wonderful, peace filled, Christ centered day, thank you.
Peace be with you.
David Mille
ht.
(22) Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what
things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the
lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the
gospel is preached.
(23) And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offende
Lance wrote:
> Offended at the 'name' of WHICH JESUS CHRIST,
> DavidM? The Mormon jesus seems to cause you little
> offence!
I'm talking about the NAME Christ. Mormons use the same name, Lance, or
haven't you noticed?
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lking about God being tempted to sin. In the same way, it is
problematic to use him to speak about God dying. There is a kind of cultic
element that goes along with such thinking, IMO.
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at we read about in Scriptures? Does the Mormon
church report your apostles raising the dead or healing the sick regularly?
Do the sick line up at their meetings hoping for a healing? What are the
modern apostolic meetings like in your church?
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s much about the end
times for which the letters are only a synopsis. It makes sense, because
most of us have taught much more orally than we have ever written.
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Mormonism. Their attitude toward other "Protestants" is not unlike Mormons.
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raised from the dead is a bit of
an overstatement from my perspective. Would you like me to take time to
cite some Scripture indicating salvation before the resurrection, and of the
power of the gospel to heal the sick and raise the dead?
Peace be with you.
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David Miller wrote:
>> The use of CE for a date kind of gives away
>> their bias, doesn't it. :-)
DAVEH:
> The way you said that, it somewhat implies you
> think you have no biases, DavidM. :-\
I'm biased toward naming our centuries after Christ our Creator.
riesthood
that did not exist in the primitive church. This led to calling young boys
elders and sending them out as missionaries, an extremely confusing and
unbiblical practice.
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The Lord is a man of war. What you seem to fail to understand is that
killing the wicked is a loving thing to do. What do you think the judgment
of hell is all about? It is the greatest act of love that God could ever
practice toward mankind. Some are too selfish and wicked to recognize
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love
myth ("I have been wasting my time
throwing pearls before swine here")
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has more
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myth (someone
manufactured this explanation--Izzy cited other mythological
reasons)
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writes:<upset by it that she wants to leave the list,>>
"stuff." I do not do this.
Please reference for me those who have fed you the thoughts you have, that
there are no faith healers today, that the last apostle was John, and that
prophets are theologians like Barth, Wright, etc. If you are not making
this stuff up, then who is teaching
ROFLOL! Perry, just when we needed a good laugh, you come through with
this. What a good moderator you are. :-)
David M.
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> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Lance, you may be right, but please separate th
res have been closed. It appears that such dogma comes out of
convenience rather than conviction.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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: "David Miller"
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> John wrote: > > I do believe that the apostles had a
measure > > of the Spirit that was in addition that of the
> > gifts of the Spirit > > The apostolic office is
characgterized by special signs
1) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy
temple in the Lord:
(22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through
the Spirit.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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JD wrote:
> David maneuves to pin jd to the wall:
Wrong spirit, JD. I have no interest in pinning you to the wall. You bring
your competitive spirit from wrestling into the wrong forum.
David Miller wrote:
>> Upon what authority do you base your perspective
>> that Mark was no
Hi John. I was not sure that you were the one who wrote that piece in the
beginning, which is why I spoke about the "author." It is a very common
doctrine among scholars and theologians. I offer a few more comments below.
David Miller wrote:
>> The idea that the Scrip
David Miller wrote:
>> As for Mark not being around at the time
>> of Christ, Hippolytus names Mark as one of
>> the seventy appointed by Jesus in Luke 10.
John wrote:
> Hippolytus of 340 AD ???
I don't know where you got the 340 AD date. Hippolytus was born 80 yea
any possible envy motivating your
comment?
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Terry wrote:
> What bis with this CE nonsense? It is Anno Domini,
> the year of our Lord..If you have a Lord.
> CE is for Lost sinners, not saved ones.
Nice observation, Terry. The use of CE for a date kind of gives away their
bias, doesn't it. :-)
Peace be with you
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The job of the apostles was not to write the
Bible, Matthew, Mrak (probably under
the supervision of the Apostle Peter), John's gospel and
letters, Paul's au
ry also wrote extensively on the
cross. There is no doubt that the cross was extremely important and
emphasized by the primitive Christians, much more so than by most Christians
today.
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It seems to me that Judy was just trying to communicate with you how the
"cute little rich girl" label comes across to her. This is proper
discussion. She was not attempting to quote you.
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cross. There is no doubt that the cross was extremely important and
emphasized by the primitive Christians, much more so than by most Christians
today.
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kill
him, or in his innate power as God? Do you believe
Mary or any of the Primitive Christians used the cross as a symbol in the same
way many do today? If not, then why do some Christians today feel
differently than did the Primitive Christians?David Miller wrote:
David Mil
David Miller wrote:
>> ... a cross, the symbol of the death of
>> Jesus the Christ.
Dave Hansen wrote:
> When I suggested similar, it brought a lot of
> chastisement. Why do you suppose the difference?
Context. I don't think you understand the value of the cross. You
ong ago about a Mormon missonary named John
Groberg whose assignment was Tonga. It was called, "The Other Side of
Heaven." Have you seen it? What do you think of it? It seemed a bit
skimpy on the kind of miracles that I hear from most Christian missionaries.
Peace be with you.
David
Hi Marlin. Seeing what you have shared, you might like to hear that I
preached in our community's Christmas parade this year as I did last year,
carrying a cross, the symbol of the death of Jesus the Christ. I had more
than 30 people behind me, each one of them carrying crosses too. I walk
et been baptized in the Holy Ghost.
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including both spirit
and mind.
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y resurrection, and their commission to preach was being extended to
the whole world and every creature. How do you see it?
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nking came to you.
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Comments below:
>From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall
recover.
(19) So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into
heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
(20) And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with
them, and confirming the word with signs following. Am
lso assume the same for other believers. One
might also consider that "serpents" refers to hypocrite theologians and
religious leaders (see Mat. 23:33).
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n as
being applicable to anybody else.
I don't know if you understand what I am saying, but if you believe that the
signs also apply to people other than these eleven, why try and make the
argument that this particular text does not? Perhaps if you do read it this
way, you would be arguing
L wrote:
> IMO, David, MOST of that which you share
> on TT has not been revealed by the Spirit.
As Izzy and Lance would say: Duh. :-)
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ess of other mature spirit-filled believers in Christ.
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it, right? Surely you know this.
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be providing you with illustrations. Besides, it is more prudent to let
others testify concerning such things, even as Jesus and his apostles left
it to others to testify about them and their works. If they have nothing to
say, then I will depart this life here without leaving any legacy.
Peace be
t is quite
another thing to pull the Holy Spirit into this fray. Let us show respect
and honor for the Holy Spirit.
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e because it would contradict the Biblical record.
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Well, David, in the short of it
there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he
received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
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bute false revelations to God and falsely represent him to others.
This would be a very serious crime.
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David Miller wrote:
>> 3. John 14:12
>> (12) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth
>> on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and
>> greater works than these shall he do; because I
>> go unto my Father.
>>
>> This passage in John indicates
cated as being expressed throughout the church in
passages like 1 Cor. 12, Gal. 3:5, etc.
I'll wait for your response before saying anything more at this time.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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