David Miller wrote:
Thanks, Dave, for the more detailed explanation.
DaveH wrote:
As for God the Father, many (probably most) LDS folks
believe he went through a similar mortal process as we do.
Is this what you personally believe?
DAVEH: Yes, I believe it
DAVEH: Forgive me for interjecting a comment. The problem occurs
when somebody (like Mormons) suggest it is possible for man to become
like God. Why it is easy for many Christian to accept that God was a
man, but hard to accept that man can become like and one with God is
what puzzles me.
I have only objected to your denying that you do so
DAVEH: ??? I have not denied explaining what I believe on TT,
Perry. Where did you get that idea??? What I did say PerryI did
not come to TT to preach/teach Mormonism. I've tried to steer clear
of quoting LDS passages other than the
Great to have Bill and Debbie back for a season. Some thoughts below - not an effort to half-sole what has beenso well presented. JD-Original Message-From: Bill Taylor wmtaylor@plains.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:52:49 -0600Subject: [TruthTalk] As to the
Two things here, for me: Christ is the manifestation of the invisible God and, secondly, His incarnation is not a declaration of His mortality so much as it is a statement of His divine purpose. IMO, to surmise the mortality of the Father is to miss the point of the incarnation as expressed in
'Tis with our judgements as our watches: none Go just alike, yet each
believes his own. -Alexander Pope, poet (1688-1744)
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It is not my 'thoughts' nor my 'individual musings' that matter in the
least JD. I believe the way I do
because I see it in the Word of God. But then this has never seemed
to make much difference to you
so I am not surprised that you don't get it. jt
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:00:55 -0400 [EMAIL
Jt tells JD, along with the rest of us, that '(she)
I believe(s) the way (she does)I do because (she) I see(s) it in the Word
of God.'
Q:May one read OUT of the Word of God that which is
not IN the Word of God to begin with?
Q:May we assume that attendance at some sort of
teaching forum
Not when one approaches both God and His Word with the right heart
attitude. It is possible however,
to READ INTO the Word of God the carnal doctrines of men and try to
make it conform to these which
has been going on for generations. So it behooves us to be
Berean. I'm still waiting
Jt tell us that 'when one approaches both God and
His Word with the right heart attitude' (the rest is my interpretation so I look
for correction, Judy) that it is NOT POSSIBLE to read out of the Word of God
that which is not in the Word of God.
Have I understood you correctly, Judy?
Your
I agree wholeheartedly. Why is kind of stuff in a "religious" volume?
You still did not figure out what we are talking about here. clueless but vociferous.
"I am a copulating ing bull if the shoe fits."
Classless at best.
JD
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JD take your own notes![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tell us, Linda, what was the point of the discussion and my response?
Jd-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:53:29 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] liberal churches
You are a sinner that disqualifies you.
Jesus NEVER sinned
The mess that men have made of this planet surely mitigates against them being a sucess on another.
RV 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but
DM says "I have a hard time swallowing the idea
that God the Father was ever mortal. Do you (DaveH) believe he was subject to
death?"
Q:Do you, DM, believe that God the Son was ever
mortal? Do you believe he was subject to death? Do you believe he died? How
would you speak of the Triunity
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Debbie writes:Does she (JudyT) have the same God? If she
thinks the beginning of Jesus was the beginning of the Son, then no.
This is precisely what i hear Judy saying.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Because DaveH "many Christians" are quoting their own
peculiar doctrine rather than that which was
"once delivered to the
saints"; the scriptures teach that God provided a body in the likeness of men
and the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us for a
season and a few of the ppl of that
I wouldn't assume anything Lance (dangerous practice) The "teaching forum"
is God'sWordKJV whichis the ONLY safe place today. As the
Church we are to be a "nation of kings and priests" and it is written that "It
is the glory of God to conceal a thing; but the honour of kings is to search out
Will you kindly address the first part plus
Q.
As to the latter, I was alluding to such as BSF,
sunday school, bible studies, home churches and preaching and the
like.
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From:
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Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc:
Do you concur, Judy. It is your belief I am speaking of. Do you believe that "Jesus" and the "Son" began at the virgin birth?
JD-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:15:00 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Why does Judy T attend BSF, a teaching forum?
Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:50:09 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
I wouldn't assume anything Lance (dangerous
I'd only 'tweek' this a bit by saying:I am a realist theologically while
David Miller and Judy Taylor are rationalists.I do not esteem
(intrinsically) any woman/man over any other.
I do not esteem - Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
My belief JD is that in his preincarnate state the man Jesus was God the
Word ie "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God. jt
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:20:03 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you concur, Judy. It is your belief I am speaking
of.
To fellowship with others who love and appreciate God and His Word
Why do you attend JD?
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:22:43 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why does Judy T attend BSF, a teaching forum?
JdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I wouldn't assume anything Lance
So you believe "Jesus" and the "Son" began at the virgin birth !! Thank you.
JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:25:27 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
My belief JD is
Depends on how one defines reality Lance. I find this ironic in light of
the fact that you
obviously spend a lot of time feeding upon fantasy in your personal life
and from what I
read from you spend little or not time in the Word of Truth. You most
definitely esteem
the writings of some
For very much the same reasons -- only, I wouldinclude " to add to or amend my understanding of the Word." Same for you???
JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:27:06
JD you have a bit of a nerve questioning me when you have yet to come up
with evidence
from God's Word OT proving that in his preincarnate state Jesus was God the
Son. Still waiting.. judyt
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:31:13 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So you believe "Jesus" and
David, I have not overlooked your post...I have not had the time or energy
to do anything else than moderate and post a few one-liners...but I intend
to reply soon to the items in your post that I feel merit a response.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:
Hi, Judy. Apparently you missed the article by Bill Taylor below and some of my thoughts added in response. It is added to "correction" from Terry -- perhaps Terry will retract his correction at this time in spite of the fact that Judy has a hard time with the word "yes" in this particular case.
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:16:10 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi, Judy. Apparently you missed
the article by Bill Taylor below and some of my thoughts added in response. It is added
to "correction" from Terry -- perhaps Terry will
retract his correction at this time in spite
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:32:20 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:16:10 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi, Judy. Apparently you missed the
JT writes Bill gives the same circular argument as J. C.
Phillpot ...
Hi Judy. I am not familiar with J. C. Phillpot --
never heard of him, in fact. But I am interested in the "circular" aspect of
your statement. Would you please explain to me what you mean? How is it that I
have
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:16:10 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
You tap dance around my question/your answer to the
qustion of whether "Jesus" and "Son" began at the virgin birth
-- to the degree that Terry believes you do not believe such and, yet,
you
Does realist mean that your beliefs are based on whatever works for you?
Izzy
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:24 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
I'd only
You'dbetterrunthatpastTerryagain,JD.Ithinkyoumissedhispoint.Izzy
You tap dance around my question/your answer
to the qustion of whether "Jesus" and "Son" began at the virgin
birth -- to the degree that Terry believes you do not believe such
DAVEH: I've been debating with myself whether to violate my own self
imposed embargo on discussing LDS theology with you, Perry. Rather than
just let this go at this point, let me say that I believe anti-Mormons
want to promote the idea that Mormons believe Satan is equal to Jesus.
As I
DAVEH: Does the Bible say he was a potential Savior of the world, or
is that just your interpretation, Judy? Do you believe all mortals
will be resurrected, Judy? Prior to Jesus, nobody was able to rise
from the chasm we call mortal death. The Bible tells us that because
of Jesus, all men will
if we share in
some misconceptions about Christ, and I think we do, what effect
does this have on a soverign being full of grace and patience and love?
DAVEH: As I see it, out perceptions, actions and thoughts have no
effect with Jesus' grace and sovereignity. They merely affect the
Dave Hansen wrote:
DAVEH: I've been debating with myself whether to violate my own self
imposed embargo on discussing LDS theology with you, Perry. Rather
than just let this go at this point, let me say that I believe
anti-Mormons want to promote the idea that Mormons believe Satan is
That is reality in light of the rest of God's Word
DaveH because it is only the remnant who make it, the ones who find the strait
gate and the narrow way even though God so loved the world - and yes I do
believe all mortals will be resurrected but for different purposes -
What do you mean
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The way I read the text -- the emphasis is not on "repentance"
but on the fact that He did not come for the righteous among the Israel
but for the sinner. With that in mind, I believe the two text have
the same message -- with repentance being implied and
Dave, you have it all wrong. You frequently either do not understand my
position and present it incorrectly, even after I have corrected you, or
else you are intentionally trying to misrepresent my beliefs and what I say.
First, I am not anti-mormon, I am anti-mormonism. There is a
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:41:42 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:JT
writes Bill gives the same circular argument as J. C. Phillpot
...
Hi Judy. I am not familiar with J. C. Phillpot -- never
heard of him, in fact. But I am interested in the "circular" aspect of your
statement.
Dave, you have it all wrong. You frequently either do not understand my
position and present it incorrectly, even after I have corrected you, or
else you are intentionally trying to misrepresent my beliefs and what I say.
First, I am not anti-mormon, I am anti-mormonism. There is a
Judy how do you put up with such clamor?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So you believe "Jesus" and the "Son" began at the virgin birth !! Thank you.
JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005
It's rough - Because I'm not totally sure that JD and I can say the same
words and mean the same
thing any more. The enemy has done and is doing a lot of
damagewith ourlanguage. jt
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Judy how do you put up with
anti-Mormons want to promote the idea that Mormons believe Satan is equal to Jesus.
Speaking as an ANTI That is not so.
ANTI's as are others, are shocked at the blasphemeous quality of the statement (Jesus Satan are brothers - period)!Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: I've been
What then is the SECOND DEATH?
Are you calling EXHALTATION "spiritual salvation" ?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Does the Bible say he was a potential Savior of the world, or is that just your interpretation, Judy? Do you believe all mortals will be resurrected, Judy? Prior to Jesus,
jt: What do you mean 'antecedent?' are you reading something into the
above?
No, I am not reading anything into the text. I am
reading the text to gain understanding; i.e., to identify it characters so as to
determine about whom the Apostle writes. Allow me topost the passage again
and I
Sorry about the typos! Corrected version
below.
- Original Message -
From:
Bill Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:28
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal
Sonship
jt: What do you mean 'antecedent?' are you reading
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:28:05 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: What do you mean 'antecedent?' are you reading something into the
above?
No, I am not reading anything into
the text. I am reading the text to gain understanding; i.e., to identify it
characters
Thank you for your response, Judy. Paul states that
the "beloved Son" is the creator of all things. You deny this and argue that at
the time he created this"member" was not the beloved Son; this because you
believe that the "second member of the Godhead" only became a "Son" at the
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:35:31 -0600 "Bill Taylor"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Thank you for your response, Judy. Paul states that the
"beloved Son" is the creator of all things. You deny this and argue that at the
time he created this "member" was not the beloved Son; this because you
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:58
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal
Sonship
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:35:31 -0600 "Bill Taylor"
[EMAIL
Judy,I think I understand. You are saying
that the author of Colossians 1:16 is calling the second Person of the Godhead
"the Son" when referring to his creative role because that's what we know him as
now, in much the same way thatI might say, "Mymother enjoyed her
childhood" (even though
Judy, regarding your concise account of how the
Godhead works, I have two questions:
If the Father wills it and the Holy Spirit does it,
that doesn't imply a chain of command that suggests theHoly Spirit is
inferior, does it?
And, I'm not sure why you are calling the first
member the
Kevin wrote to JD:
So where are you in the "process" of salvation? 20%
saved yesterday and 21.5% today?
Perry wrote:
Sorry, guys. I couldn't resist this.
LOL.
Let's hope that God has a UPS in case the power goes out. :-)
Peace be with you.David Miller.
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:53:17 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:16:10 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You tap dance around my
Bill T: Would you mind offering an opinion. Dave makes some very good points, below.
JD
if we share in some misconceptions about Christ, and I think we do, what effect does this have on a soverign being full of grace and patience and love? DAVEH: As I see it, out perceptions, actions
By the way -- I am not sure I received this post. Could someone help...pleaes.
JD
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:19:36 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Sonship
Let's keep trying, shall we ?? !!
Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:48:03 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
It's rough - Because I'm not totally sure that JD and I can say
Terry, thanks for your impressions. Amen.
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Goofy
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:17:51 -0500
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Tery, after reading the apology on
It does mean two totally different Saviors
DaveH. To begin with God is Spirit and your sect makes Him into some
kind of a physical body. When Jesus said "If you have seen me you have
seen the Father" he was not talking about his physical presence. From
what I am reading Mormonism tries to
We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us, but we sip only little by
little at a truth we find bitter.
- Denis Diderot
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Lance Muir wrote:
DM says "I have a hard time
swallowing the idea that God the Father was ever mortal. Do you (DaveH)
believe he was subject to death?"
DAVEH: He did die, did he not? Does that not define mortal?
He did not have to do so, thoughhe gave his life willingly.
Sometimes I wish I didn'tlaugh so easily. Veryyy funny brother Perry. I am laughing.
JD-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:04:15 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)
Kevin
DAVEH: So Judy, do you know of any passages that would suggest it is
impossible for men to become like, and one with God? What do you think
makes LDS theology in this respect so out of whack with the Bible?
Judy Taylor wrote:
Because DaveH "many Christians" are
quoting their own
Judy Taylor wrote:
That is reality in light of the rest of
God's Word DaveH because it is only the remnant who make it, the ones
who find the strait gate and the narrow way even though God so loved
the world - and yes I do believe all mortals will be resurrected but
for different
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:25:18 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Judy, regarding your concise
account of how the Godhead works, I have two questions:
If the Father wills it and the Holy
Spirit does it, that doesn't imply a chain of command that suggests
Bill Taylor wrote:
At his request I have decided to rejoin you for a while
(who knows, maybe even longer:)
Great! Welcome back, Bill. We have missed you.
Bill Taylor wrote:
Adoption is his purpose; it is why he created;
this that we might know him as Father.
It seems to me that adoption
Judy -- can you establish the eternal Fatherhood of God in the Old Testament? Somehow, I didn't realize y9ou believe in teh eternal Fatherhood but not the eternal Sonship.
JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc:
David Miller wrote:
I have a hard time swallowing the idea that
God the Father was ever mortal.
DAVEH:
Is it any harder to believe than to believe that
Jesus was mortal, and Jesus is God.
What's the difference in terms of difficulty of
believing such?
The difference is that I have this
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave, you have it all wrong. You frequently either do not
understand my position and present it incorrectly, even after I have
corrected you, or else you are intentionally trying to misrepresent my
beliefs and what I say.
First, I am not anti-mormon, I am
DAVEH:
The problem occurs when somebody (like Mormons) suggest
it is possible for man to become like God. Why it is easy for
many Christian to accept that God was a man, but hard to
accept that man can become like and one with God is what
puzzles me.
I don't have a problem with the idea of
Terry Clifton wrote:
Jesus was not created.
DAVEH: Is that a topic anybody would be interested in discussing?
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DAVEH: I do know know how you perceive the difference, but would be
most interested to hear your perspective. From an LDS perspective,
they are very closely related.perhaps too close to distinguish.
David Miller wrote:
DAVEH:
The problem occurs when somebody (like Mormons)
DAVEH: I fully agreethat was a gut-buster. But we best give
credit where dueTHANK YOU DavidM
:-D
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sometimes I wish I didn'tlaugh so easily. Veryyy
funny brother Perry. I am laughing.
JD
-Original Message-
From: David Miller
I should have known !!! Still funny.
JD-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:56:05 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)
DAVEH: I fully agreethat was a gut-buster. But we best give
Go Detroit !!! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:59:58 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)
I should have known !!! Still funny.
JD-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL
Dave Hansen wrote:
Terry Clifton wrote:
Jesus was not created.
DAVEH: Is that a topic anybody would be interested in discussing?
In the BEGINNING was the WORD, and the Word was with GOD and the WORD
was GOD. HE was in the BEGINNING with GOD.( Not created, not a son. HE
WAS AND
David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote:
... Jn 5:19... The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth
the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth
the Son likewise.
So, DavidM, if Jesus went through a mortal process as God,
would you suggest it impossible
DAVEH: Lately I've noticed some disputes on TT relating to political
dispositions. It has come to my attention that the Lord has used the
NIV to clarify the proper way Christians should think and vote.
Ecclesiastes 10
2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right,
but the
HOW DO I GET REMOVED FROM THIS CHAT ROOM IMMEDIATELYDave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Lately I've noticed some disputes on TT relating to political dispositions. It has come to my attention that the Lord has used the NIV to clarify the proper way Christians should think and
this has nothin' to
do with JCs identity--an ass could do it
however, there
ain't no ass who says(e.g.)'before Abraham was, I
am'
here, JC plainly
tells you who he is--even an ass could agree to shut up and listen to him, like
Moses didon Mt. Sinai
anybody know
whoMosessaw in the
sing like Elvis at
Madison Square Gardenthen leave the building--before you split, though,
give my comments on Moses, postd today, some thought--God
speaks
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:15:12 -0400 (EDT) pamela linsday [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
HOW DO I GET REMOVED FROM THIS CHAT ROOM
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW THE HELL I GET OUT OF THIS CHAT ROOM[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this has nothin' to do with JCs identity--an ass could do it
however, there ain't no ass who says(e.g.)'before Abraham was, I am'
here, JC plainly tells you who he is--even an ass could agree to shut up and
Pamela, you are now unsubscribed. Feel free to return anytime.
Perry the Moderator
From: pamela linsday [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Sonship
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:31:31 -0400 (EDT)
CAN SOMEONE TELL
ask the Moderator
politely or he'll toss you out
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:31:31 -0400 (EDT) pamela linsday [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW THE HELL I GET OUT OF THIS CHAT
ROOM[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this has
nothin' to do with JCs identity--an
ask the Moderator
politely or he'll toss you out
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:31:31 -0400 (EDT) pamela linsday [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW THE HELL I GET OUT OF THIS CHAT
ROOM[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this has
nothin' to do with JCs identity--an
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave, it appears that you conveniently chose the similarities to focus
on.
DAVEH: I chose 3.two of which we agreed, and one that we did not. I
did it as a simple example to demonstrate a principle. That I may or may
not believe the things you say
Mk 11:26 omission. A parallel passage is found in Matt6:14-15. Apparently there is not good mss evidence for the passage in Mk 11. None of this bothers me, Dave. It would bother me if I had a book as important as the Bible without the kind of evidence that does exist - as you probably know, the
The subject has not changed and neither have the conditions; apparently you
are using one of the newer versions of the Bible JD. For you to be walking
without "condemnation" you need to be walking after the Spirit which is
the
second half of Romans 8:1. Is this intentional or do you just
Now you are being "cavalier" about it JD. I would like to know why
the accusation? Show me where I was wrong.
This had nothing to do with "eternal sonship" We were discussing "being
saved from condemnation" which is
impossible aside from consistently walking after the Spirit. To be
carnally
Yes, we have changed the subject. You forget, Judy -- I know how to read. The "new translation" is the NASV. Walking after the Spirit is not in the verse, IMO but even if it were, 8;% defines walking in the spirit as a state of mind -- not a physical activity -- not obedience. Nothing wrong with
Judy, I have made that presentation. It was a rather simple matter. you did not see the point. I did the best I could do. That's just about it, then.You are right -- sonship has nothing to do with this subject matter. I did make the connection -- I read it to my boy. He understood my point. You
In the BEGINNING was the WORD, and the Word was with GOD and the WORD
was GOD. HE was in the BEGINNING with GOD.( Not created, not a son.
HE WAS AND IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE GOD! ) No response required. Case
closed. Overwhelming evidence.
Terry
DAVEH: Thank you for responding to my new
The passage referred to below is Romans 8:5 -- not 8;%-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:57:02 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 8:1
Yes, we have changed the subject. You forget, Judy -- I know how to read. The "new
Hi Debbie, glad to see you are still around ...
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:20:16 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak"
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writes:Judy, I think I understand. You are saying that the author of
Colossians 1:16 is calling the second Person of the Godhead "the Son" when
referring to his creative
There is no need for impasse JD if you, Lance, or Bill Taylor can come up
with OT scriptural evidence proving that the Sonship of Christ is eternal - show
me your homework rather than just talk constantlylike it is a
"given". Not much fight in you to defend the faith is there? I would
think
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only unique (begotten) Son who is in (eis) the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him."
This may be one of the strongest NT passages declaring the eternal Sonship. Bill might have some exegetical comment. The thrust of this passage is this --
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