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Perry wrote:
So far I do not have a continuous historical track
for any single name. Their name seems to change
throughout that period
Two books that track the history of Christianity through non-institutional
groups are, The Pilgrim Church by E.H.
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DAVEH: I sometimes wonder how
surprised we will be to see who really does end up in heaven. Will
it be those who think and act spiritually religious, or could it be those
who
Ive always said
there are going to be a lot of surprises in heaven! Izzy
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ask DavidMwhy
DaveHthinksNazis need
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Any logical
questions, gary?
([you] said there are
going to be a lot of surprises in heaven.. :-)
DAVEH: Just out of curiosity Izzy, how would you categorize Mother
Theresa?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Some
of us dont think that Catholics are usually Christians. Seems like a rarity
to me. Usually they are adulterers and/or liars in my experience. Izzy
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DAVEH: Just out of curiosity Izzy, how would you categorize Mother
Theresa?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Some of us dont think that Catholics are usually
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Actually, I read an aticle about Mother Teresa, and her life has
evidently
not been one of strong faith. Although she was VERY compassionate, and
didicated her life to the unfortunate, her spiritual life appears to
have
been very shakey and filled
an estimated 50 million of these
Christians were martyred throughout the dark and middle ages because they
refused to join the RCC.
Perry
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Charles P. Locke wrote:
Actually, I read an aticle about Mother Teresa, and her life has evidently
not been one of strong faith. Although she was VERY compassionate, and
didicated her life to the unfortunate, her spiritual life appears to have
been very shakey and filled with doubt.
DAVEH:
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Perry, I'd be interested in what you have learned about that group. What
are
they called? Izzy
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..Hitler was a Christian
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Hitler:
I am now as before a Catholic and will always
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the priesthood of all believers [i]s taught by Jesus Christ.
Gary wrote:
where'd you get this idea?
Matthew 23 for starters.
Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA
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Let your speech be
throughout eternity,
and Joe Smith can only view it across a great gulf.
Terry
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David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote
David Miller wrote:
Belief in Jesus Christ means a trust and confidence in him.
DAVEH wrote:
I would think belief is more than that. To me it means
to follow in his footstepsto do his will and keep
his commandments. Do you associate belief with
keeping his commandments?
Yes. When you
David Miller wrote:
David Miller wrote:
Please note that baptism might still be considered useful
and a vehicle whereby people come into a saving knowledge
of Jesus Christ, but we do not say that God rejects all those
who have not been baptized, because the evidence is clear
that
DaveH, what's your problem
with DavidMs 'argument'?
(Marlin, how do you like the art work? Is it
gettin' Izzy any dizzier?)
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If you accept my previous
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I have to agree with Terry - I have come to respect the LDS guys as
individuals but their alignment with JS are scary! I just
can't buy the JS lifestyle as a model for their spitirual life. Neither can I
buy the theology of anyone who supports Hitler.
David Miller wrote:
Have you ever considered that the word church
as you use it here is not in the Bible? The Greek
word ekklesia which is often translated as church
simply means congregation or assembly. When
Jesus said he would build his church, he did not
use the more ecclesiastical word
where'd you get this
idea?
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priesthood of all believers [i]s taught by Jesus Christ.
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Laura, I must have missed something here—could you please refer me to the exact post where someone on TT said they “support Hitler”? Thank you. Izzy
It came from a post of Marlins and I don't still
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Laura, I must have missed something hereâcould you please refer me to the exact post where someone on TT said they âsuppo
with their beliefs you would be much wiser to say
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He likes to avoid
contentious accusations, I think. Izzy
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Ladies, TT records indicate that both
DavidM and Marlinperceive that Adolph Hitleris (a)
The source of that idea came from someone who is no longer
on TT, who uses Hitlarian propaganda techniques.
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In a message dated 12/26/2002 5:22:49 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The source of that idea came from someone who is no longer on TT, who uses Hitlarian propaganda techniques.
Who? I can't remember. Laura
Gary wrote:
TT records indicate that both DavidM and Marlin
perceive that Adolph Hitler is (a) Christian (but this
is a false perception acc to posted public
records/sound WW2 history)
Oh, come on, Gary. You are going to deny that Hitler was a Christian?
Really? What religion do you think
DAVEH: What's your problem with my rebuttal, g?!?!?!?!
:-)
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DaveH, what's your
problem with DavidMs 'argument'? (Marlin,
how do you like the art work? Is it gettin' Izzy any dizzier?)
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Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:45:01 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
[DavidM:]>If you
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The
source of that idea came from someone who is no longer on TT, who uses
Hitlarian propaganda techniques.
Who? I can't remember.
Laura
DAVEH: Eh...go ahead and
David,
I think you must realize that most of us (I think)use the term Christian
to mean someone who sincerely follows Christ. You have not given me a
better word to use yet...do you have one?
Izzy
PS In MY book, Hitler was NO Christian!
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I am now as before a Catholic
ftr:
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Hitler:"I am now as before a Catholic and will always
remain so."( Adolf Hitler, from John Toland, Adolf Hitler, New York:
Anchor Publishing,1992, p. 507. )
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I think you must realize that most of us (I think)use the term Christian
to mean someone who sincerely follows Christ. You have not given me a
better word to use yet...do you have one?
Izzy
PS In MY book,
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BTW...I'm off for a week and a half vacation. Soyou can now dump on me too, as I won't be around to defend myself. (However, I'm going to try to get my wife's laptop working for my email while I'm
David Miller wrote:
David Miller wrote:
A person is saved from sin when they believe upon Jesus Christ.
DAVEH:
I assume you are saying a person can still sin and still
believe in JC at the same time?
Belief in Jesus Christ means a trust and confidence in him.
DAVEH: I would
David Miller wrote:
DAVEH:
I probably hear about it much more than you do
because of my belief in the BofM. Most folks
don't have any interest in knowing if Jesus visited
the Americas, because it would be beyond the
scope of the Bible and just cause a lot of unanswerable
(without
Ha Ha Blainer, cut tail and ran when DavidM challenged him. Also, to say the below without responding to Davidm's explanation is a red flag to me. He explained clearly.
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A moron can read that passage and understand it. I have had 2 different people read it (I made no
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Talk
about spin.
DAVEH: You can call it what you want, Brother Glenn.but I consider
Isaiah to be a great prophet!
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DavdL
- How do you explain the people in the Bible who were saved before baptism?
DAVEH:
I explained it before, but I'll
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DavdL
- How do you explain the people in the Bible who were saved before baptism?
DAVEH: I explained it before, but I'll explain it again.
They were saved in the same fashion as when Isaiah
said (Isa 9:6) that a 'child is born' in reference to Jesus.
The
idea that
This is the last time I am going to tell you this. The doctrine of eternal security and the doctrine of salvation ARE TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. ETERNAL SECURITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRESENT SALVATION. YOU HAVE REJECTED THE BIBLE TEACHING ON A PRESENT AND PAST SALVATION. You try to mix the Mormon
David Miller wrote:
DAVEH:
You have previously suggested one will be
damned to hell for transgressing. If one is 'saved',
and continues to sin.then what is the ultimate
result? Is the (continue to) sinning Christian truly
saved, DavidM?
It is like the dog who vomits up the
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DAVEH: Though Jesus was 'God" prior to being exalted, he became exalted after he was resurrected and returned to his Father in Heaven.
I am so confused If Jesus was an angel then how could he be God???
Marlin wrote:
It did not take me long to find one of many web sites
devoted to the topic of contradictions between the
Book of Mormon and the Bible.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/bibbul/2002/bb-02-38.htm
Greetings, Marlin. Welcome to TruthTalk. I appreciate your willingness to
jump right
Hypocrite defined = doing the same thing you condemn others for doing
How can you complain about people not reading the BoM when you or DaveL won't read the book DavidM is perfectly willing to send you free?
Blainer) I assume by "scripture" you mean the Bible. The BoM is a
complement to the
Notice, Martin, no response to your link on contradictions, which Mormons are not allowed to read. Instead you get another question. I have seen this for years. It is typical of cults like the Jones cult in Africa where they drank their juice.
Davel's question is hypocritical. THERE IS NO WAY HE
Michael Douglas wrote:
> >> DAVEH: If that is truly the case,
then would you not think that our
> >> Father in Heaven is a man? For does not the Bible testify
that
> >> Jesus is the "Son of man"? Yet many times I have been told
(by
> >> TTers included) that God is not a man. Using your method
David Miller wrote:
In America today, 85% of our population profess to be Christians. There are
many different sects within Christianity and many divergent beliefs. Some
Christians say it does not matter how you live because Jesus saves you by
grace alone. You can give your heart to
] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1
Blainer) I agree with you, Brother Glenn, that both sides of an issue
should usually be studied. For instance, I read some of the writings of
David Whitmer, one of the three witnesses to the Book of Mormon (re: An
Address to All Believers In Christ), and decided
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Blainer) I agree with you, Brother Glenn, that both sides of an
issue
should usually be studied. For instance, I read some of the
writings of
David Whitmer, one of the three
Blainer - Are you saying there have been no changes in the BoM except when the evolution of the English language made it necessary?
Blainer) I Believe the current edition is good enough for all practical
purposes. Most changes have been, as I understand, changes that occurred
shortly after the
Glenn - The best I can do?
Blainer) I am saying the basic message of the BoM has not been changed.
There may have been some changes, but none that change meanings of
fundamental doctrines, such as baptism, the sacrament, what happens to
one upon dying, the nature of God, the gifts of the spirit,
2002 19:05:27 -0500 Marlin Halverson
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Doesn't the Book of Mormon contradict the teachings of scripture?
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Marlin Halverson wrote:
Hello Dave,
It did not take me long to find one of many web sites devoted to the topic
of contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/bibbul/2002/bb-02-38.htm
DAVEH: I see, Martin. So you didn't know of any
Correction, I am just telling you what a boy Mormon elders told me. You are good at denying what Mormons believe a la I am greatly under the influence of Satan because I follow the Bible only.
I understand what you are saying. I also was told by a Mormon that he was conditioned for anti-Mormon
I understand what you are saying. However, some wisdom must be used here. It is impossible to find the truth if one is not willing to study both sides of an issue. I would never have seen the error of the Church of Christ without reading both pro and con.
Blainer) You have to see this through
I understand what you are saying. I also was told by a Mormon that he was conditioned for anti-Mormon talk, BECAUSE it gave him more rewards in heaven. The more opposition he received the better it made him. This is just like the Church of Christ in attitude. Rejoice in the persecution because the
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Blainer) There is a lot of music being produced both commercially and
privately by Mormons. I seldom listen to it, because I hear it in church
every sunday.
OK I have listened to the Mormon Tab Choir and
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I
understand what you are saying. I also was told by a Mormon that
he was conditioned for anti-Mormon talk, BECAUSE it gave him more rewards
in heaven. The more opposition he received the better it made him.
DAVEH: Glenn...I don't want to offend you, but when you
Blainer) Your forgetter must be getting better and better, huh Glenn?
Getting up there in years are you? (:) I got the number 130 out of a
book entitled 500 LITTLE KNOWN FACTS IN MORMON HISTORY, by George W.
Givens.
Splinter just means what you think it means, nothing more.
On Sun, 20 Oct
Blainer) You have to see this through spiritual eyes. Try thinking in
terms of food. If you eat a lot of junk-food, loaded with lots of empty
calories, you will probably end up with poor health. On the other hand,
if you are more particular about what kind of food you eat,, you will
likely
Blainer) I think you are going by your own narrow perceptions. When
you say Christianity rejects him, you are basically referring to those
ministers and/or bigots who have a vested interest in knocking Joseph
Smith and Mormonism. The key is the PAYOFF. What PAYOFF is there in
knocking
Blainer) I don't know anyone who knows whether it is either 130 or 200,
or even that many. I think I was talking about what used to be, not what
is. That was then this is now. As I said, there are not that many left
that I could possibly identify at this time. Can you identify that many?
I
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We have no restrictions
on what we read. It is purely a matter of individual choice. We are
counseled to use wisdom in our choices, however.
We are not the ones who are brainwashed!!! That is a joke,
Yes, I stand corrected.
Blainer) Your forgetter must be getting better and better, huh Glenn?
Getting up there in years are you? (:) I got the number 130 out of a
book entitled 500 LITTLE KNOWN FACTS IN MORMON HISTORY, by George W.
Givens.
Hey Blaine..sounds interesting. Is it worth $20 (for a softbound, inc
shipping)??? Or should I avoid it?
500 LITTLE KNOWN FACTS IN MORMON HISTORY, by George W.
Givens.
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If you wish to receive
Glenn = But DaveL, it was a "fib" whether Blaine was talking about Joe Smith's popularity when he was alive or today. It "no never" changes anything.
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Blaine was referring to those who held opinions when
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
History
gives the facts that Joe Smith had many many many more that thought of
him as a villain when he was alive just as today.
DAVEH: I'm not sure why you think such, Glenn. Do you have
any specific statistics to support your opinion? You may or may not
be
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20 Oct 2002 19:21:54 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Blaine was referring to those who held opinions when JS was alive, while
you are thinking in current times.
what's the difference(?)
DAVEH:
The difference is that there is plenty of miscommunications in
Thanks for the clarification. Do we know if there are 130 Mormon divisions or 200 Mormon divisions?
Glenn to Blainer -
That's not how I remember it. I remember you denying
Mormonism being divided. It was DavidM who brought
out the 130 divisions. I remember you admitting it. Then
I remember
Blainer wrote:
You can paint an ugly picture of anyone, put horns on
them if you want to bad enough. It is called villification.
Agreed.
Blainer wrote:
Joseph Smith was a villain to many, a saint and
a prophet to many more.
That is debateable concerning how many fell into which camp. If
Glenn wrote:
Do we know if there are 130 Mormon divisions
or 200 Mormon divisions?
I have not investigated this thoroughly, so I don't know. The fact that
there is between 100 and 200 is a lot, considering how recent this sect of
Christianity has sprung up. It's kind of like Joe Smith and his
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DAVEH: Yes Michael,
there are angels now,
from the LDS perspective. To briefly explain..angels can be either
spirit children of our Father who have not yet come to earthorthey can
be mortals who have died
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DAVEH: Hi
Michael...I must apologize to you and others who've been asking questions
to which I have not replied. I have quite a few irons in the fire right
now, and don't know when I'll dig out from under the load. But.I do
feel obligated
Where does it say they were immortal? They had to partake of the tree of
life to continue living, and after disobeying they separated from it,
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou
shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt
surely die.
Blainer) Do they ever? You can paint an ugly picture of anyone, put
horns on them if you want to bad enough. It is called villification.
Joseph Smith was a villain to many, a saint and a prophet to many more.
Quite a few men who finally met him after hearing bad reports on him had
to admit
Define Hell fire! Jim
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Glenn - Sinning angels = Hell fire.
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Why? Just read the words of Jesus in the Bible.
That should be good enough. This is not a difficult thing. Either
Jesus is a liar about hell fire or He is God and told
Glenn to Blainer - This is a lie. MANY MANY MORE BELIEVE JOE SMITH TO BE A VILLAIN THAN BELIEVE HIM TO BE A SAINT. Christianity rejects him.
It is called "villification."
Joseph Smith was a villain to many, a saint and a prophet to many more.
Glenn to Blainer - That's not how I remember it. I remember you denying Mormonism being divided. It was DavidM who brought out the 130 divisions. I remember you admitting it. Then I remember you denying it AFTER you admitted Mormonism is divided.
Are you using a play on words with the word
DAVEH: In reading Blaine's original post, Glenn, I think you are
twisting this a bit. Blaine was referring to those who held opinions
when JS was alive, while you are thinking in current times.
Blaine wrote:
Blainer) Do they ever? You can paint an ugly picture of
anyone, put
horns
DAVEH: How do you (or Protestants in general) define "angel",
Jim?
"Pastor James P.S. Templeton" wrote:
I
dont think Jesus was ever an angel. He was always the Son of God even
prior to his birth inBethlehem,
James Templeton
DAVEH:
Hi Michael...I must apologize to you and others
Blainer) DaveH's explanation below is about how I would have explained
it. I would only add that if the angel was previously a mortal and is
doing the work of the Lord in post-mortal life, he (she) may be a spirit,
as yet unresurrected, or may be a resurrected being--either. Most likely
the
Blainer) The Big Picture seems to be what is missing here. Maybe this
will help. We have learned from JS--whom we believe to have had many
experiences with angels--that all angels who minister to the peoples of
this earth are either former or future inhabitants of this earth, with
the one
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:31:19 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 10/17/2002 6:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
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Laura, remember there are not 130 divisions in Mormonism. Nope.
Christianity is not divided and Mormonism is not divided. Nope.
In a message dated 10/17/2002 6:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Laura, remember there are not 130 divisions in Mormonism. Nope. Christianity is not divided and Mormonism is not divided. Nope.
Blainer) That's the female in you talking. (:)
I am upset that Joe boy
Michael Douglas wrote:
> As for your second question...Jesus
had an elevated status over
>Lucifer in the pre-mortal existence as I understand. That's
interesting. What gives you this idea though?
DAVEH: Jesus (as Blaine pointed
out in a parallel post today) was the firstborn of our Father.
In a message dated 10/17/2002 7:51:38 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blainer) The Big Picture seems to be what is missing here. Maybe this
will help. We have learned from JS--whom we believe to have had many
experiences with angels--that all angels who minister to the
In a message dated 10/18/2002 12:22:41 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First of all, I find it difficult to carry on a mutually
respectful conversation with you when you refer to a man I greatly
respect as "Joe Boy."
I didn't mean to be disrespectful and maybe I did
Larua, Of course it is difficult to carry on a conservation when Blainer lies about 130 Mormon divisions. Until he admits this foundational truth he has no credibility in ANYTHING he says. To deny the 130 division facts is to bring disdain upon Joe Smith and Mormonism. This is why I no longer
DAVEH: Hi Michael...I must apologize to you and others who've
been asking questions to which I have not replied. I have quite a
few irons in the fire right now, and don't know when I'll dig out from
under the load. But.I do feel obligated not to totally ignore
you and the other TTers
Blainer wrote:
Well, the gist of it as I understand it is that
if they had not partaken of the fruit of the tree,
they would have remained in their innocent state
forever, and would have produced no offspring.
They were apparently immortal until they partook
of the fruit. as in Adam all men
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:35:48 -0600
Laura wrote:
so God threw him out and 1/3 of the
others
followed him or something like that. I'd have to
From: "Michael Douglas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Michael D: Dave H: would you care to give ma an answer on this one, below? I would really like to know how you all understand this.
Michael D: Hey Blainer or Dave H, I an curious to know: as an angel, was Jesus an arch angel or a lesser one? Since
David Miller wrote:
DAVEH:
> As I see it, if something is missing (viz., the doctrinal explanation
> whether or not baptism of infants is necessary) and different sects
> create their own man made doctrine to make up for that 'inadequacy',
> then it is the missing stuff that allows Satan to
In a message dated 10/15/2002 12:19:32 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Adam and Eve were given
the same test. They were commanded to multiply and replenish the earth,
yet were also commanded not to partake of the tree of knowledge of good
and evil. There was simply no way
In a message dated 10/15/2002 12:19:32 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On the other hand, his wife and others
were not as full of faith as he was, so he knew they would have a
difficult time accepting his going forward with keeping this new
commandment.
So if one partner is
WRONG. I just read your BoM. You are changing the BoM. I have noticed how Mormons deny their doctrines and have changed their doctrines through the years. Mormons sure used to be anti-Negro.
DAVEH: Again..Let's get this straight, DavidM. It was YOU and Glenn who have inferred that it is the
Blainer wrote:
Why were Joseph Smith's enemies always such
a bunch of low-lifes?
David Miller wrote:
This statement is completely irresponsible.
Were there low-lifes that were against Joseph
Smith? Sure, but were all of his enemies low-lifes?
Of course not. Just one example: Alexander
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