RE: Qardio arm

[Dennis Long]

Where do you get it?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 5:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Qardio arm

 

It’s extremely easy to pair and use. I am very happy with mine.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

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on.—Annie Proulx





On May 11, 2020, at 4:26 PM, ann...@sbcglobal.net  
 wrote:

We have a Qardio Arm and like it very much.  It is easy to pair, easy to use, 
and keeps an easy-to-access history of your readings, which can be emailed ... 
to yourself, your doctor, anyone you choose.   The app is very simple to use, 
everything labeled.

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Otten
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Subject: Qardio arm

Does anyone have experience using this device with your iPhone? How easy is it?

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Need Help with Generating / Finding Audio Labels for Moving Boxes

[M. Taylor]

Hello Simon,

No, nowhere exciting.  I just need to move some boxes into storage and I am 
tired of having to open each box in order to determine its contents.  

If I ever do go somewhere exciting, I'll let you know.  (smile).

Mark

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Simon A Fogarty
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Hi Mark,

Not answering your question but where you heading to?

Anywhere exciting?

Simon F


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Subject: Need Help with Generating / Finding Audio Labels for Moving Boxes

Hello Everyone,

I need to find a way to generate some barcode labels or, perhaps, purchase some 
barcode labels that I can slap on moving boxes.

My first solution was to use the Digit Eyes app but, after trying for over 
2-hours, with three different computers, Including Windows 7, Windows 10, and 
Mac OS Catalina, and 2 different laser printers, and, after purchasing the 
blank Avery labels the developer said I should get, I cannot get the printed 
barcodes to line up correctly on the actual labels.  I am extremely 
disappointed in this aspect of the digit Eyes app for iOS.  The funny thing is 
that the test print pages for Digit Eyes line up perfectly.  It is the 
generated PDF document that, even on screen, are not centered correctly.  I was 
told by the developer that they now generate their barcodes via Google.
Whatever!  I have wasted enough time with Digit Eyes with regard to generating 
audio labels.  

Does anyone know of another off-the-shelf solution?  

Can one buy pre-printed barcodes that one could use with Digit Eyes? Or some 
other way I can reliably label boxes in order to have my phone tell me the 
contents of the box?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: Need Help with Generating / Finding Audio Labels for Moving Boxes

[M. Taylor]

Hello Eric,

Well, as it turned out, after about 3 hours of adjustments and testing, I was 
finally, finally able to get the audio labels from Digit Eyes to print 
correctly.

So, here is the problem:  Some years back, Digit Eyes began out sourcing the 
barcode generation of the labels to Google.  

So, when you enter the type of labels you wish to print, say 3-across and 
10-down, which equals 30 audio labels per page, that data is supposed to cause 
Google to generate a PDF document formatted for said configuration, based on 
the type of printer that is connected to your computer at the time of 
generation.  

In short, Google does not do this.  Perhaps it did, years ago, but the API has 
not been maintained.  As a result, regardless of the type of printer, the codes 
on the generated PDF document are not centered; in fact, they are skewed a 
little too far to the right and down on the page.  

My solution?  Because I had sighted assistance, and because I am able to modify 
the margins of the generated PDF document, I am now able to print the codes 
correctly.  

For example, when I am ready to print 1 page of labels, I crop 1 inch off of 
the left margin and 0.375 inch off of the top.  Then I save the PDF document 
and print it.  Remember, these numbers are for my printer, only.  They would 
probably be different on a different printer.

As I said, it took over 3-hours and about 10 sheets of test paper to discover 
this solution but, discover it, I did.  

The problem is that if one does not have sighted assistance, or the ability to 
modify a PDF document, I don't see how one could generate more than 4 audio 
labels per page, if that much.  

Later this week, I will contact the developer to let her know my experience.

Mark

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Eric Caron
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:09 PM
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Hi Mark, 

I totally feel your pain.  I really like the Digit-Eyes app but have 
not used it for years because I can’t get the audio labels to work reliably and 
easily. 

I have not found Way Around to be a good solution because the tags need 
to be ordered and they can be expensive when trying to label many items. 
More then that, at least, last time I checked, they were not a audio labeler, 
they only allowed for you to enter text.  I find this very limiting. 

I’m hoping for a better labeling iPhone solution in the future. 

One interesting app you can look at that is free is Navilense.  I hope I 
spelled that correctly.  It was recommended to me as a free audio labeling 
solution.  You print the labels yourself.  You can use the sheets you purchased 
for Digit-Eyes.  They are a unique system designed to work for the visually 
impaired.  I must admit they worked very well for me.  They are designed for 
the phone to pick up the label by the camera and do it easily, quickly and even 
from long distances. 

they just came out with a second pack of free labels.  So perhaps this 
might be a good solution.

I’d love a NFC solution like Way Around to have an audio labeling option and 
maybe an option for use of less expensive third party NFC tags. 

I hope this helps.  Try the Navilense app and let us know how it goes.

Eric Caron 


> On May 10, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Dave Clement  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I would recommend using WayAround tags for this. You can record the contents 
> of each box with a tag then duct tape or packing tape the tag to the box. You 
> record and read the tags using an iPhone or Android phone. Note that the tags 
> are completely reusable so you will have them after you unpack all the boxes 
> for any other tagging jobs. 
> 
> To learn more about WayAround tags, check their web site at:
> wayaround.com
> 
> WayAroundare currently hosting Zoom weekly sessions to introduce the tags and 
> provide tipson usage by others. The web site will lead you to these. 
> 
> WayAround is currently offering a discount, 15% I think,  on their tags. I 
> believe their dealers are also offering the discount. You can order from 
> WayAround or ATGuys in the U.S. In Canada, only Canadian Assistive Technology 
> sells the WayARound products. 
> 
> ATGuys.com
> canasstech.com
> 
> i hope this helps,
> 
> Dave Clement
> Winnipeg MB
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 10, 2020, at 3:29 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I need to find a way to generate some barcode labels or, perhaps, 
> purchase some barcode labels that I can slap on moving boxes.
> 
> My first solution was to use the Digit Eyes app but, after trying for 
> over 2-hours, with three different computers, Including Windows 7, 
> Windows 10, and Mac OS Catalina, and 2 different laser printers, and, 
> after purchasing the blank Avery labels the developer said I should 
> get, I cannot get the printed barcodes to line up correctly on the 
> 

Re: Section Index.

[Barbara Stahl]

Personally, I've not had any trouble with the section index. However, if it is 
not working correctly for you then you can accomplish the same thing using the 
search feature in contacts. Just double tap it and put the first one or two 
letters in and you should see results associated with those two letters. 

> On May 11, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> I don't understand what you mean. If you are using it in the contact app, 
> where should it put you?
> 
> 
> 
> Marie
> -Original Message- From: Carolyn
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Section Index.
> 
> That is what I always have done in Section Index. Now, half the time, it puts 
> me in my Contact List.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marie
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 6:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Section Index.
> 
> what problems do you have with it? It works, as far as I know, the same way 
> it worked when first introduced and on every phone I have used.
> First, go to the top of the screen, swipe right till you hear, "section 
> index". flick down until you hear the letter of the alphabet you want, double 
> tap on it and you are taken to the header for that letter. Swipe right to the 
> contact.
> I have no issues whatsoever with this feature.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Marie
> -Original Message-
> From: Carolyn
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Section Index.
> 
> Do any of you have problems sometimes with Section Index just going into the 
> regular contact list? With some 200-odd contacts, it is a little annoying, 
> especially, since I had gotten so used to just using Section Index.
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Re: Section Index.

[Marie]

I don't understand what you mean. If you are using it in the contact app, 
where should it put you?




Marie
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From: Carolyn

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Section Index.

That is what I always have done in Section Index. Now, half the time, it 
puts me in my Contact List.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Marie

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 6:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Section Index.

what problems do you have with it? It works, as far as I know, the same way 
it worked when first introduced and on every phone I have used.
First, go to the top of the screen, swipe right till you hear, "section 
index". flick down until you hear the letter of the alphabet you want, 
double tap on it and you are taken to the header for that letter. Swipe 
right to the contact.

I have no issues whatsoever with this feature.




Marie
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From: Carolyn
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Section Index.

Do any of you have problems sometimes with Section Index just going into the 
regular contact list? With some 200-odd contacts, it is a little annoying, 
especially, since I had gotten so used to just using Section Index.


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RE: Section Index.

[Carolyn]

That is what I always have done in Section Index. Now, half the time, it puts 
me in my Contact List. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 6:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Section Index.

what problems do you have with it? It works, as far as I know, the same way it 
worked when first introduced and on every phone I have used.
First, go to the top of the screen, swipe right till you hear, "section index". 
flick down until you hear the letter of the alphabet you want, double tap on it 
and you are taken to the header for that letter. Swipe right to the contact.
I have no issues whatsoever with this feature.




Marie
-Original Message-
From: Carolyn
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Section Index.

Do any of you have problems sometimes with Section Index just going into the 
regular contact list? With some 200-odd contacts, it is a little annoying, 
especially, since I had gotten so used to just using Section Index.

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Re: Qardio arm app

[Mary Otten]

OK. The link that Bobby sent is the correct one. I had actually seen that, but 
over thought the whole thing. I was really thinking the app wouldn’t have such 
a general description in the beginning. But I didn’t read far enough. I guess 
all‘s well that ends well, if my device shows up on time from eBay.


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> On May 11, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
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> Qardio!  No U after the Q.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Qardio arm app
> 
> 
> Yes, I know. I spelled it with a Q.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 11, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> 
>> Keep in mind that Qardio is spelled with a Q.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>> To: "VIPhone via" 
>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 3:58 PM
>> Subject: Qardio arm app
>> 
>> 
>> I just ordered this blood pressure monitor, so I went to the App Store to 
>> try to find the app. I have searched underqardio, qardioarm with and without 
>> the space between oh and a. I’m not coming up with anything. Lots of apps, 
>> but not one that specifically looks like it’s for this device. And I was 
>> definitely under the impression I needed an app. What am I doing wrong?
>> 
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Re: Qardio arm app

[Andy Baracco]

Qardio!  No U after the Q.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Qardio arm app


Yes, I know. I spelled it with a Q.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 11, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:

Keep in mind that Qardio is spelled with a Q.

Andy

- Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
To: "VIPhone via" 
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 3:58 PM
Subject: Qardio arm app


I just ordered this blood pressure monitor, so I went to the App Store to 
try to find the app. I have searched underqardio, qardioarm with and 
without the space between oh and a. I’m not coming up with anything. Lots 
of apps, but not one that specifically looks like it’s for this device. 
And I was definitely under the impression I needed an app. What am I doing 
wrong?



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Re: NFB news online and KNFB reader.

[deidre muccio]

oh good, I'm glad someone knows that there have been some changes made since I 
first downloaded that app. I've been using it forever until the new phone when 
I downloaded it again. But it's got all these things in there that I didn't put 
in there and it won't let me delete them. That's when I wrote bob Watson and he 
told me I needed to get it through test flight and it is somehow linked to knFB 
reader. i used to have that scanning program but I deleted it ages ago and use 
voice dream scanner. I guess I'll give it a try and see what happens. All I'm 
interested in are  my favorite publications. I certainly don't need another 
scanning program.
deidre


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> On May 11, 2020, at 6:03 PM, Richard Turner  
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> 
> Hi Deidre,
> I don't know what NFB is doing with Newsline and KNFB Reader.  It has been in 
> beta for almost a year I think.
> They never, ever, ever, respond to feedback.  Maybe they are still suckering 
> people into buying the $100 version of KNFB Reader so don't want to make the 
> free version that is blended into Newsline widely available.
> 
> But, is it like the old version of KNFB, kind of.
> It is "KNFB Basic." Which can do basic scans, but Voice Dream Reader is 
> easier and better for 99% of what I do.
> And, sadly typical of NFB, the app is done very oddly.
> Screen number 4 or Page 4, is where you enter your Newsline sign in 
> information.
> Also where you set the speaking rate.
> Then on that same 4th page is the KNFB Reader Basic settings like 
> automatically recognize text, Automatically speak text, The theme color.
> 
> Page 3 or screen number 3, is where you actually use KNFB Reader Basic.
> Screen or page 2 is where you access the things like Information sources, 
> your states info, breaking news, information from other states, etc.
> 
> Screen or page 1, is where you do your Newsline reading of your favorites.
> 
> In my opinion; and I said this to them several times through the betas, they 
> have it basAkwards.
> 
> The Newsline portion works great though, until it crashes.  After sending in 
> feedback, it works great again for quite a while.
> 
> As for the getting around in an email, yes, the extra stuff is just above the 
> keyboard, just below the message text.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 1:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: NFB news online and KNFB reader.
> 
> can someone please explain to me what's going on with NFB news online? Now it 
> has to be  accessed through test flight and some other additional step needs 
> to be taken. Does it look like the old app that used to work so beautifully 
> on my old phone?I'm afraid to even try to do it the new way to get at the 
> beta version which is what Bob Watson from NFB is telling me I need to do.
> I might be getting the hang of dictating and moving around in a male message. 
> It appears as if I touch above the top row of letters that's where all that 
> other stuff is to change formatting insert pictures etc. Am I right about 
> that?
> deidre
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Re: Qardio arm app

[Bobby Druesedow]

You might try this link. 

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/qardio-heart-health/id855275752

 
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> On May 11, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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I just ordered this blood pressure monitor, so I went to the App Store to try 
to find the app. I have searched underqardio, qardioarm with and without the 
space between oh and a. I’m not coming up with anything. Lots of apps, but not 
one that specifically looks like it’s for this device. And I was definitely 
under the impression I needed an app. What am I doing wrong?


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Re: Qardio arm app

[Mary Otten]

Yes, I know. I spelled it with a Q.


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> On May 11, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
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> Keep in mind that Qardio is spelled with a Q.
> 
> Andy
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> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
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> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 3:58 PM
> Subject: Qardio arm app
> 
> 
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> to find the app. I have searched underqardio, qardioarm with and without the 
> space between oh and a. I’m not coming up with anything. Lots of apps, but 
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Re: Qardio arm app

[Andy Baracco]

Keep in mind that Qardio is spelled with a Q.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: "VIPhone via" 
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 3:58 PM
Subject: Qardio arm app


I just ordered this blood pressure monitor, so I went to the App Store to 
try to find the app. I have searched underqardio, qardioarm with and without 
the space between oh and a. I’m not coming up with anything. Lots of apps, 
but not one that specifically looks like it’s for this device. And I was 
definitely under the impression I needed an app. What am I doing wrong?



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Qardio arm app

[Mary Otten]

I just ordered this blood pressure monitor, so I went to the App Store to try 
to find the app. I have searched underqardio, qardioarm with and without the 
space between oh and a. I’m not coming up with anything. Lots of apps, but not 
one that specifically looks like it’s for this device. And I was definitely 
under the impression I needed an app. What am I doing wrong?


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Re: Section Index.

[Marie]

what problems do you have with it? It works, as far as I know, the same way 
it worked when first introduced and on every phone I have used.
First, go to the top of the screen, swipe right till you hear, "section 
index". flick down until you hear the letter of the alphabet you want, 
double tap on it and you are taken to the header for that letter. Swipe 
right to the contact.

I have no issues whatsoever with this feature.




Marie
-Original Message- 
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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Section Index.

Do any of you have problems sometimes with Section Index
just going into the regular contact list? With some 200-odd
contacts, it is a little annoying, especially, since I had
gotten so used to just using Section Index.

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Re: NFB news online and KNFB reader.

[Alex Stone]

I’m not sure, but I think I heard somewhere that knfb reader was no longer 
being developed.

> On 11 May 2020, at 20:59, deidre muccio  wrote:
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> can someone please explain to me what's going on with NFB news online? Now 
> it has to be  accessed through test flight and some other additional step 
> needs to be taken. Does it look like the old app that used to work so 
> beautifully on my old phone?I'm afraid to even try to do it the new way to 
> get at the beta version which is what Bob Watson from NFB is telling me I 
> need to do.
> I might be getting the hang of dictating and moving around in a male message. 
> It appears as if I touch above the top row of letters that's where all that 
> other stuff is to change formatting insert pictures etc. Am I right about 
> that?
> deidre
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RE: NFB news online and KNFB reader.

[Richard Turner]

Hi Deidre,
I don't know what NFB is doing with Newsline and KNFB Reader.  It has been in 
beta for almost a year I think.
They never, ever, ever, respond to feedback.  Maybe they are still suckering 
people into buying the $100 version of KNFB Reader so don't want to make the 
free version that is blended into Newsline widely available.

But, is it like the old version of KNFB, kind of.
It is "KNFB Basic." Which can do basic scans, but Voice Dream Reader is easier 
and better for 99% of what I do.
And, sadly typical of NFB, the app is done very oddly.
Screen number 4 or Page 4, is where you enter your Newsline sign in information.
Also where you set the speaking rate.
Then on that same 4th page is the KNFB Reader Basic settings like automatically 
recognize text, Automatically speak text, The theme color.

Page 3 or screen number 3, is where you actually use KNFB Reader Basic.
Screen or page 2 is where you access the things like Information sources, your 
states info, breaking news, information from other states, etc.

Screen or page 1, is where you do your Newsline reading of your favorites.

In my opinion; and I said this to them several times through the betas, they 
have it basAkwards.

The Newsline portion works great though, until it crashes.  After sending in 
feedback, it works great again for quite a while.

As for the getting around in an email, yes, the extra stuff is just above the 
keyboard, just below the message text.







Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NFB news online and KNFB reader.

can someone please explain to me what's going on with NFB news online? Now it 
has to be  accessed through test flight and some other additional step needs to 
be taken. Does it look like the old app that used to work so beautifully on my 
old phone?I'm afraid to even try to do it the new way to get at the beta 
version which is what Bob Watson from NFB is telling me I need to do.
I might be getting the hang of dictating and moving around in a male message. 
It appears as if I touch above the top row of letters that's where all that 
other stuff is to change formatting insert pictures etc. Am I right about that?
deidre


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Re: Qardio arm

[Kimberly]

It’s extremely easy to pair and use. I am very happy with mine.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone
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> On May 11, 2020, at 4:26 PM, ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
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> We have a Qardio Arm and like it very much.  It is easy to pair, easy to 
> use, and keeps an easy-to-access history of your readings, which can be 
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> simple to use, everything labeled.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Otten
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 2:40 PM
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> Does anyone have experience using this device with your iPhone? How easy is 
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RE: Qardio arm

[annakb]

We have a Qardio Arm and like it very much.  It is easy to pair, easy to use, 
and keeps an easy-to-access history of your readings, which can be emailed ... 
to yourself, your doctor, anyone you choose.   The app is very simple to use, 
everything labeled.

-Original Message-
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Otten
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Does anyone have experience using this device with your iPhone? How easy is it?

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Re: voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

did I really write SC or SZ, I know it is an SE. And you're right I do have the 
most recent update. I wasthinking that the 6S has yet another update I could 
graduate to but I don't think I'm going to do that because I'll probably have 
the same problems I'm having on the New phone which I was very eagerly awaiting 
to purchase. I succeeded here in properly writing SE as in Sam and elephant! 
Thanks all.
deidre


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> On May 11, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> Hi Deidre. iOS 13.4.1, is the latest update.
> 
> Also, i think you mean, the iPhone SE, not SC.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: deidre muccio
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 8:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: voice over instability
> 
>> Richard, I am indeed using the new SC with 13.4.1. There's one more update I 
>> could do. I don't didn't have any trouble with the success using an issue 
>> even earlier version of 13. I think part of the problem when writing a 
>> message you're trying to edit something in a Gmail mail message, is that I 
>> am activating inadvertently the text formatting or all those things that try 
>> and insert themselves like do you want to insert a picture or do you want to 
>> do some kind of text formatting and then it just throws me just the whole 
>> voiceover thing no longer is working with the text that I had started 
>> writing. And like just now I'm dictating this for a second time. Somehow it 
>> just got deleted, the whole message. i'm afraid to even go back and try and 
>> edit this now for fear it's going to do something quirky all over again. So 
>> please excuse the errors in this message. God how I miss my PC and outlook 
>> which I am responsible for corrupting after trying to delete 27,000 messages 
>> or at least go through 27,000 messages to get rid of the things that were 
>> hidden in an unread folder that were copies of other things that I have long 
>> since deleted. My mistake.
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Re: Editing Bluetooth Device Name

[Mike B]

It appears the K380 can't be edited either.  I'll have to check the vehicles 
with my wife's phone.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Editing Bluetooth Device Name


It appears that Logitech k480 is one of the devices that cannot be renamed. 
The article mentions that some cannot.
Too bad.
I hope your 380's can.



Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
it just stops you from enjoying the good."



Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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  On May 11, 2020, at 5:37 AM, Mike B.  wrote:


  
  Good morning Isaac,
  Yee'ee'ee'ee'eeHaah, Thank you very much for this.  This is 
gurhrhrhrhrhhrhrhrhhrhrhrhrhhrrhrhhrhr ate.

  Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
   *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I 
pee it cleans the toilet.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Isaac Hebert
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 5:29 AM
  Subject: Re: Editing Bluetooth Device Name


  First make sure your bluetooth device is powered on and connected.
  Next go to settings and bluetooth.  Next choose more info for the
  device that you want to rename.  Next choose name and then type in the
  name.  Then choose done.   Here is a link to an article that explains
  this.  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205348

  On 5/11/20, Mike B.  wrote:
  > Good morning all,
  >
  > Running the SE 2020 phone with iOS 13.4.1, in case this matters.  In
  > Settings / Bluetooth / My Devices is it possible to edit the names of 
the
  > listed devices?  I have 2 identical K380 keyboards and would like to
  > distinguish between them if possible.  Also on my wife's SE 2020 phone 
she
  > has 2 vehicles connected and she would like to label them as such.  All 
help
  >
  > is greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.
  >
  > Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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NFB news online and KNFB reader.

[deidre muccio]

can someone please explain to me what's going on with NFB news online? Now it 
has to be  accessed through test flight and some other additional step needs to 
be taken. Does it look like the old app that used to work so beautifully on my 
old phone?I'm afraid to even try to do it the new way to get at the beta 
version which is what Bob Watson from NFB is telling me I need to do.
I might be getting the hang of dictating and moving around in a male message. 
It appears as if I touch above the top row of letters that's where all that 
other stuff is to change formatting insert pictures etc. Am I right about that?
deidre


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Re: voice over instability

[Dave]

Hi Deidre. iOS 13.4.1, is the latest update.

Also, i think you mean, the iPhone SE, not SC.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: deidre muccio

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 8:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over instability

Richard, I am indeed using the new SC with 13.4.1. There's one more update 
I could do. I don't didn't have any trouble with the success using an 
issue even earlier version of 13. I think part of the problem when writing 
a message you're trying to edit something in a Gmail mail message, is that 
I am activating inadvertently the text formatting or all those things that 
try and insert themselves like do you want to insert a picture or do you 
want to do some kind of text formatting and then it just throws me just 
the whole voiceover thing no longer is working with the text that I had 
started writing. And like just now I'm dictating this for a second time. 
Somehow it just got deleted, the whole message. i'm afraid to even go back 
and try and edit this now for fear it's going to do something quirky all 
over again. So please excuse the errors in this message. God how I miss my 
PC and outlook which I am responsible for corrupting after trying to 
delete 27,000 messages or at least go through 27,000 messages to get rid 
of the things that were hidden in an unread folder that were copies of 
other things that I have long since deleted. My mistake.


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Re: voice over instability

[Arnold Schmidt]

Sorry about that, Richard, I thought I had added my reply to the correct 
message. And, I thought Deidre was talking about the new,  just received SE. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six

On May 11, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Arnold,
I'm not clear who you are addressing in your message.
Deidre is using an iPhone 6s, while considering a new phone, possibly the new 
SE.
If you are talking about the new iPhone SE, I'm certainly not having any issues 
with it, and Deidre doesn't have the SE, but is dealing with the 6s issues 
and/or iOS 13 issues.
I personally love the new SE.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


> On May 11, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
>  Being that most, if not all, the people who have gotten these phones have 
> liked them, I wonder if there is something wrong with the particular one you 
> got? It is so out of character with the way the other users describe their 
> experiences. Even if they do a diagnostic on it, it may not pick up what is 
> wrong with it. If I get one, and it truly is tempting, I am going to wait 
> unteal I can go to the Apple store to get it, for reasons such as this. In 
> your case, no telling what it will take to return it, get another one, etc. 
> But it just sounds like to me that there is something wrong with that 
> particular one. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
> 
> On May 11, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe you did, but the wording of your message had me thinking you were using 
> the Gmail app, not the Apple mail app.
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>> On May 11, 2020, at 11:17 AM, deidre muccio  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I 
>> thought that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from 
>> my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on 
>>> web pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it 
>>> comes out.
>>> If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue 
>>> finding all these issues in mail.
>>> The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
>>> You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, 
>>> Passwords and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
>>> Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
>>> it just stops you from enjoying the good."
>>> 
>>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
>>> www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio  
 wrote:
 
 Hello all,
>   Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 
> with IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out 
> what features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice 
> over problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the 
> other end of the line could see what was happening on my screen in real 
> time.
>   Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, 
> which did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with 
> Seeri which has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold 
> star in my book. The screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped 
> working quite some time ago, and some sounds and notifications were no 
> longer spoken, even though the actual function of receiving and sending 
> calls and mail and messages continued to work just fine. 
>   I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the 
> interim before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if 
> the 6S with 13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 
> is driving me crazy.  
> One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone 
> as I did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit 
> messages. I get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, 
> insert a picture, and other things others must also be seeing, at least 
> if they are using gmail on their SE's. I often cannot back space 
> character by character to read or delete text, or select text in any 
> block. This can be true for rereading text as well where I get thrown all 
> over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere other than where I 
> am reading from, or where voice over lead me to believe I was. I 
>

Re: voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

> Richard, I am indeed using the new SC with 13.4.1. There's one more update I 
> could do. I don't didn't have any trouble with the success using an issue 
> even earlier version of 13. I think part of the problem when writing a 
> message you're trying to edit something in a Gmail mail message, is that I am 
> activating inadvertently the text formatting or all those things that try and 
> insert themselves like do you want to insert a picture or do you want to do 
> some kind of text formatting and then it just throws me just the whole 
> voiceover thing no longer is working with the text that I had started 
> writing. And like just now I'm dictating this for a second time. Somehow it 
> just got deleted, the whole message. i'm afraid to even go back and try and 
> edit this now for fear it's going to do something quirky all over again. So 
> please excuse the errors in this message. God how I miss my PC and outlook 
> which I am responsible for corrupting after trying to delete 27,000 messages 
> or at least go through 27,000 messages to get rid of the things that were 
> hidden in an unread folder that were copies of other things that I have long 
> since deleted. My mistake.

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Qardio arm

[Mary Otten]

Does anyone have experience using this device with your iPhone? How easy is it?

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Re: voice over instability

[Richard Turner]

Arnold,
I'm not clear who you are addressing in your message.
Deidre is using an iPhone 6s, while considering a new phone, possibly the new 
SE.
If you are talking about the new iPhone SE, I'm certainly not having any issues 
with it, and Deidre doesn't have the SE, but is dealing with the 6s issues 
and/or iOS 13 issues.
I personally love the new SE.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 11, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

 Being that most, if not all, the people who have gotten these phones have 
liked them, I wonder if there is something wrong with the particular one you 
got? It is so out of character with the way the other users describe their 
experiences. Even if they do a diagnostic on it, it may not pick up what is 
wrong with it. If I get one, and it truly is tempting, I am going to wait 
unteal I can go to the Apple store to get it, for reasons such as this. In your 
case, no telling what it will take to return it, get another one, etc. But it 
just sounds like to me that there is something wrong with that particular one.

Arnold Schmidt


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six

On May 11, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Maybe you did, but the wording of your message had me thinking you were using 
the Gmail app, not the Apple mail app.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 11, 2020, at 11:17 AM, deidre muccio 
mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I thought 
that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from my iPhone

On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

 First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web 
pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes out.
If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue finding 
all these issues in mail.
The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, Passwords 
and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio 
mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello all,
  Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 with 
IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out what 
features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice over 
problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the other end of 
the line could see what was happening on my screen in real time.
  Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, which 
did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with Seeri which 
has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold star in my book. The 
screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped working quite some time 
ago, and some sounds and notifications were no longer spoken, even though the 
actual function of receiving and sending calls and mail and messages continued 
to work just fine.
  I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S with 
13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is driving me crazy.
One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as I 
did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit messages. I 
get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, insert a picture, and 
other things others must also be seeing, at least if they are using gmail on 
their SE's. I often cannot back space character by character to read or delete 
text, or select text in any block. This can be true for rereading text as well 
where I get thrown all over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere 
other than where I am reading

Re: Section Index.

[Tom Lange]

I have close to 400 contacts. Section index works fine for me.

> On May 11, 2020, at 12:28 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Do any of you have problems sometimes with Section Index
> just going into the regular contact list? With some 200-odd
> contacts, it is a little annoying, especially, since I had
> gotten so used to just using Section Index. 
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Section Index.

[Carolyn]

Do any of you have problems sometimes with Section Index
just going into the regular contact list? With some 200-odd
contacts, it is a little annoying, especially, since I had
gotten so used to just using Section Index. 

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Re: voice over instability

[Arnold Schmidt]

Being that most, if not all, the people who have gotten these phones have liked 
them, I wonder if there is something wrong with the particular one you got? It 
is so out of character with the way the other users describe their experiences. 
Even if they do a diagnostic on it, it may not pick up what is wrong with it. 
If I get one, and it truly is tempting, I am going to wait unteal I can go to 
the Apple store to get it, for reasons such as this. In your case, no telling 
what it will take to return it, get another one, etc. But it just sounds like 
to me that there is something wrong with that particular one. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six

On May 11, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Maybe you did, but the wording of your message had me thinking you were using 
the Gmail app, not the Apple mail app.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


> On May 11, 2020, at 11:17 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
>  what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I 
> thought that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from 
> my iPhone
> 
>> On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web 
>> pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes 
>> out.
>> If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue 
>> finding all these issues in mail.
>> The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
>> You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, 
>> Passwords and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
>> Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
>> it just stops you from enjoying the good."
>> 
>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
>> www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
   Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 
 with IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out 
 what features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice 
 over problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the 
 other end of the line could see what was happening on my screen in real 
 time.
   Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, 
 which did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with 
 Seeri which has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold 
 star in my book. The screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped 
 working quite some time ago, and some sounds and notifications were no 
 longer spoken, even though the actual function of receiving and sending 
 calls and mail and messages continued to work just fine. 
   I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
 before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S 
 with 13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is 
 driving me crazy.  
 One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as 
 I did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit 
 messages. I get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, 
 insert a picture, and other things others must also be seeing, at least if 
 they are using gmail on their SE's. I often cannot back space character by 
 character to read or delete text, or select text in any block. This can be 
 true for rereading text as well where I get thrown all over the place and 
 the cursor, seems to be somewhere other than where I am reading from, or 
 where voice over lead me to believe I was. I sometimes suspect it might be 
 trying to correct something even though I have all that turned off. 
 Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all 
 the time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether 
 it be on Facebook or in any other App.
 The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari 
 which is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the 
 fault of the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice 
 over told me that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in 
 my search criteria, I was bounced all over the place. This happened on the 
 Hadley site which is a learning tools service for the Blind. What the 
 person at the other end of the phone line saw was that I was not in an 
 edit field at all, but that I was in a green box with nothing in it. 
 Another time, when vo told I was in

Re: voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

Richard, no I'm not using the Gmail app. Some of the apps really streamlined 
some of those things that I really like to use, and some don't work well at 
all. So no I only did it the way you suggested and I'm still getting all kinds 
of weird editing issues. Who knows, maybe things will settle down soon. I hope 
so.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 11, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  Maybe you did, but the wording of your message had me thinking you were 
> using the Gmail app, not the Apple mail app.
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 11, 2020, at 11:17 AM, deidre muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>  what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I 
>> thought that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from 
>> my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on 
>>> web pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it 
>>> comes out.
>>> If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue 
>>> finding all these issues in mail.
>>> The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
>>> You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, 
>>> Passwords and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
>>> Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
>>> it just stops you from enjoying the good."
>>> 
>>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
>>> www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio  
 wrote:
 
 Hello all,
>   Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 
> with IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out 
> what features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice 
> over problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the 
> other end of the line could see what was happening on my screen in real 
> time.
>   Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, 
> which did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with 
> Seeri which has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold 
> star in my book. The screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped 
> working quite some time ago, and some sounds and notifications were no 
> longer spoken, even though the actual function of receiving and sending 
> calls and mail and messages continued to work just fine. 
>   I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the 
> interim before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if 
> the 6S with 13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 
> is driving me crazy.  
> One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone 
> as I did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit 
> messages. I get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, 
> insert a picture, and other things others must also be seeing, at least 
> if they are using gmail on their SE's. I often cannot back space 
> character by character to read or delete text, or select text in any 
> block. This can be true for rereading text as well where I get thrown all 
> over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere other than where I 
> am reading from, or where voice over lead me to believe I was. I 
> sometimes suspect it might be trying to correct something even though I 
> have all that turned off. 
> Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all 
> the time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether 
> it be on Facebook or in any other App.
> The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari 
> which is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the 
> fault of the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice 
> over told me that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in 
> my search criteria, I was bounced all over the place. This happened on 
> the Hadley site which is a learning tools service for the Blind. What the 
> person at the other end of the phone line saw was that I was not in an 
> edit field at all, but that I was in a green box with nothing in it. 
> Another time, when vo told I was in an edit field where I could type, the 
> accessibility guy said that I was actually on a picture of a woman.
> I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day 
> doing many of

Re: voice over instability

[Richard Turner]

Maybe you did, but the wording of your message had me thinking you were using 
the Gmail app, not the Apple mail app.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On May 11, 2020, at 11:17 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:

 what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I thought 
that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from my iPhone

On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web 
pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes out.
If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue finding 
all these issues in mail.
The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, Passwords 
and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:

Hello all,
  Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 with 
IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out what 
features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice over 
problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the other end of 
the line could see what was happening on my screen in real time.
  Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, which 
did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with Seeri which 
has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold star in my book. The 
screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped working quite some time 
ago, and some sounds and notifications were no longer spoken, even though the 
actual function of receiving and sending calls and mail and messages continued 
to work just fine.
  I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S with 
13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is driving me crazy.
One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as I 
did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit messages. I 
get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, insert a picture, and 
other things others must also be seeing, at least if they are using gmail on 
their SE's. I often cannot back space character by character to read or delete 
text, or select text in any block. This can be true for rereading text as well 
where I get thrown all over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere 
other than where I am reading from, or where voice over lead me to believe I 
was. I sometimes suspect it might be trying to correct something even though I 
have all that turned off.
Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all the 
time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether it be on 
Facebook or in any other App.
The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari which 
is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the fault of 
the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice over told me 
that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in my search criteria, 
I was bounced all over the place. This happened on the Hadley site which is a 
learning tools service for the Blind. What the person at the other end of the 
phone line saw was that I was not in an edit field at all, but that I was in a 
green box with nothing in it. Another time, when vo told I was in an edit field 
where I could type, the accessibility guy said that I was actually on a picture 
of a woman.
I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day doing 
many of the things I've been doing for years using some of the same web sites 
and mail programs. Has Hadley gone that far down the tubes in terms of their 
web design? Or why are those speech codes no longer shared, or working when 
they did with other versions of IOS? Is this by deliberate design? If it is, my 
days as a consumer of Apple products may be over when it comes time to get a 
new phone.
  Can anyone please tell me what about all this is correct and what might not 
be? For one thing, I guess I'd better go back and select voice over to speak 
all images it encounters rather than just the labelled ones, so maybe voice 
over won't confuse where I am and speak something that isn't true. I am also 
violently opposed to using Apple mail or web mail, so I'm stuck there too 
unless I change my mind about it.
I'm ready to

Re: voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I thought 
that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from my iPhone

> On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web 
> pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes 
> out.
> If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue 
> finding all these issues in mail.
> The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
> You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, 
> Passwords and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
> Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> Hello all,
>>>   Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 
>>> with IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out 
>>> what features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice 
>>> over problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the 
>>> other end of the line could see what was happening on my screen in real 
>>> time.
>>>   Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, 
>>> which did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with 
>>> Seeri which has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold star 
>>> in my book. The screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped working 
>>> quite some time ago, and some sounds and notifications were no longer 
>>> spoken, even though the actual function of receiving and sending calls and 
>>> mail and messages continued to work just fine.
>>>   I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
>>> before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S 
>>> with 13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is driving 
>>> me crazy.  
>>> One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as 
>>> I did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit 
>>> messages. I get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, insert 
>>> a picture, and other things others must also be seeing, at least if they 
>>> are using gmail on their SE's. I often cannot back space character by 
>>> character to read or delete text, or select text in any block. This can be 
>>> true for rereading text as well where I get thrown all over the place and 
>>> the cursor, seems to be somewhere other than where I am reading from, or 
>>> where voice over lead me to believe I was. I sometimes suspect it might be 
>>> trying to correct something even though I have all that turned off. 
>>> Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all 
>>> the time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether 
>>> it be on Facebook or in any other App.
>>> The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari 
>>> which is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the 
>>> fault of the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice 
>>> over told me that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in my 
>>> search criteria, I was bounced all over the place. This happened on the 
>>> Hadley site which is a learning tools service for the Blind. What the 
>>> person at the other end of the phone line saw was that I was not in an edit 
>>> field at all, but that I was in a green box with nothing in it. Another 
>>> time, when vo told I was in an edit field where I could type, the 
>>> accessibility guy said that I was actually on a picture of a woman.
>>> I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day 
>>> doing many of the things I've been doing for years using some of the same 
>>> web sites and mail programs. Has Hadley gone that far down the tubes in 
>>> terms of their web design? Or why are those speech codes no longer shared, 
>>> or working when they did with other versions of IOS? Is this by deliberate 
>>> design? If it is, my days as a consumer of Apple products may be over when 
>>> it comes time to get a new phone. 
>>>   Can anyone please tell me what about all this is correct and what might 
>>> not be? For one thing, I guess I'd better go back and select voice over to 
>>> speak all images it encounters rather than just the labelled ones, so maybe 
>>> voice over won't confuse where I am and speak something that isn't true. I 
>>> am also violently opposed to using Apple mail or web mail, so I'm stuck 
>>> there too unless I change my mind about it.
>>> I'm ready to get rid of this phone.
>>> 
>>> Deidre
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following

Re: voice over instability

[Richard Turner]

First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web 
pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes out.
If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue finding 
all these issues in mail.
The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, Passwords 
and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:

Hello all,
  Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 with 
IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out what 
features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice over 
problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the other end of 
the line could see what was happening on my screen in real time.
  Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, which 
did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with Seeri which 
has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold star in my book. The 
screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped working quite some time 
ago, and some sounds and notifications were no longer spoken, even though the 
actual function of receiving and sending calls and mail and messages continued 
to work just fine.
  I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S with 
13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is driving me crazy.
One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as I 
did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit messages. I 
get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, insert a picture, and 
other things others must also be seeing, at least if they are using gmail on 
their SE's. I often cannot back space character by character to read or delete 
text, or select text in any block. This can be true for rereading text as well 
where I get thrown all over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere 
other than where I am reading from, or where voice over lead me to believe I 
was. I sometimes suspect it might be trying to correct something even though I 
have all that turned off.
Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all the 
time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether it be on 
Facebook or in any other App.
The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari which 
is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the fault of 
the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice over told me 
that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in my search criteria, 
I was bounced all over the place. This happened on the Hadley site which is a 
learning tools service for the Blind. What the person at the other end of the 
phone line saw was that I was not in an edit field at all, but that I was in a 
green box with nothing in it. Another time, when vo told I was in an edit field 
where I could type, the accessibility guy said that I was actually on a picture 
of a woman.
I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day doing 
many of the things I've been doing for years using some of the same web sites 
and mail programs. Has Hadley gone that far down the tubes in terms of their 
web design? Or why are those speech codes no longer shared, or working when 
they did with other versions of IOS? Is this by deliberate design? If it is, my 
days as a consumer of Apple products may be over when it comes time to get a 
new phone.
  Can anyone please tell me what about all this is correct and what might not 
be? For one thing, I guess I'd better go back and select voice over to speak 
all images it encounters rather than just the labelled ones, so maybe voice 
over won't confuse where I am and speak something that isn't true. I am also 
violently opposed to using Apple mail or web mail, so I'm stuck there too 
unless I change my mind about it.
I'm ready to get rid of this phone.

Deidre

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voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

Hello all,
>Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 
> with IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out 
> what features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice 
> over problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the other 
> end of the line could see what was happening on my screen in real time.
>Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, 
> which did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with 
> Seeri which has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold star 
> in my book. The screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped working 
> quite some time ago, and some sounds and notifications were no longer spoken, 
> even though the actual function of receiving and sending calls and mail and 
> messages continued to work just fine. 
>I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
> before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S with 
> 13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is driving me 
> crazy.  
> One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as I 
> did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit messages. 
> I get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, insert a picture, 
> and other things others must also be seeing, at least if they are using gmail 
> on their SE's. I often cannot back space character by character to read or 
> delete text, or select text in any block. This can be true for rereading text 
> as well where I get thrown all over the place and the cursor, seems to be 
> somewhere other than where I am reading from, or where voice over lead me to 
> believe I was. I sometimes suspect it might be trying to correct something 
> even though I have all that turned off. 
> Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all the 
> time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether it be 
> on Facebook or in any other App.
> The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari 
> which is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the 
> fault of the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice over 
> told me that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in my search 
> criteria, I was bounced all over the place. This happened on the Hadley site 
> which is a learning tools service for the Blind. What the person at the other 
> end of the phone line saw was that I was not in an edit field at all, but 
> that I was in a green box with nothing in it. Another time, when vo told I 
> was in an edit field where I could type, the accessibility guy said that I 
> was actually on a picture of a woman.
> I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day 
> doing many of the things I've been doing for years using some of the same web 
> sites and mail programs. Has Hadley gone that far down the tubes in terms of 
> their web design? Or why are those speech codes no longer shared, or working 
> when they did with other versions of IOS? Is this by deliberate design? If it 
> is, my days as a consumer of Apple products may be over when it comes time to 
> get a new phone. 
>Can anyone please tell me what about all this is correct and what might 
> not be? For one thing, I guess I'd better go back and select voice over to 
> speak all images it encounters rather than just the labelled ones, so maybe 
> voice over won't confuse where I am and speak something that isn't true. I am 
> also violently opposed to using Apple mail or web mail, so I'm stuck there 
> too unless I change my mind about it.
> I'm ready to get rid of this phone.
> 
> Deidre

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Follow up with iPad docking station

[Traci Duncan]

I’ve continued research on this topic. Here’s a solution I’ve found. The only 
thing is, I own an iPad mini. Wonder if this set up would work with it?

https://www.cultofmac.com/498542/how-to-use-usb-hub-multiple-devices-ipad/ 


Traci

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Re: Need Help with Generating / Finding Audio Labels for Moving Boxes

[Eric Caron]

Hi Tracey, 

Thank you for posting the link.

As the topic has been brought up.  What I’m hoping for is a NFC audio 
tag recorder and reader.  Basically it could use the iPhone to do what the Pen 
friend does without needing a extra device. 

NFC is built into the phone and perfect for this application.  It is the tech 
apple uses for Apple Pay in stores and developers have access to it.

It is what Wayaround uses only they do text only and also use proprietary tags 
instead of mainstream tags.  They also seem to not be interested in adding 
audio recording only text.

I contacted Digit-eyes about this before COVID19 and I thought they 
were considering using it but over two monthss have gone by and I have not 
heard any updates.

I also wrote to Way around twice about 6 months apart asking if they would be 
adding Audio recording.  I didn’t get a response.


NFC Near Field Communication, I believe has the best solution for audio and 
text labeling on the iPhone.  Navilens has the potential to use the camera to 
identify it’s tags at a distance.  This might be also useful but I think more 
so for other applications.  Still, it works quickly and affordably
.

Eric Caron 

> On May 11, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Here’s a link to that app.
> 
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/navilens/id1273704914 
> 
> 
> Also, I was wondering as a potential solution, could you create your own bar 
> codes for seeing AI? Alternatively, could you create qr codes for the 
> built-in qr code reader in the iPhone? 
> 
> Curious, 
> Traci 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 11, 2020, at 1:22 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Not answering your question but where you heading to?
>> 
>> Anywhere exciting?
>> 
>> Simon F
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Monday, 11 May 2020 8:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Need Help with Generating / Finding Audio Labels for Moving Boxes
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I need to find a way to generate some barcode labels or, perhaps, purchase 
>> some barcode labels that I can slap on moving boxes.
>> 
>> My first solution was to use the Digit Eyes app but, after trying for over 
>> 2-hours, with three different computers, Including Windows 7, Windows 10, 
>> and Mac OS Catalina, and 2 different laser printers, and, after purchasing 
>> the blank Avery labels the developer said I should get, I cannot get the 
>> printed barcodes to line up correctly on the actual labels.  I am extremely 
>> disappointed in this aspect of the digit Eyes app for iOS.  The funny thing 
>> is that the test print pages for Digit Eyes line up perfectly.  It is the 
>> generated PDF document that, even on screen, are not centered correctly.  I 
>> was told by the developer that they now generate their barcodes via Google.
>> Whatever!  I have wasted enough time with Digit Eyes with regard to 
>> generating audio labels.  
>> 
>> Does anyone know of another off-the-shelf solution?  
>> 
>> Can one buy pre-printed barcodes that one could use with Digit Eyes? Or some 
>> other way I can reliably label boxes in order to have my phone tell me the 
>> contents of the box?
>> 
>> All replies greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: Need Help with Generating / Finding Audio Labels for Moving Boxes

[Traci Duncan]

Here’s a link to that app.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/navilens/id1273704914

Also, I was wondering as a potential solution, could you create your own bar 
codes for seeing AI? Alternatively, could you create qr codes for the built-in 
qr code reader in the iPhone? 

Curious, 
Traci 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 11, 2020, at 1:22 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Not answering your question but where you heading to?
> 
> Anywhere exciting?
> 
> Simon F
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Monday, 11 May 2020 8:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Need Help with Generating / Finding Audio Labels for Moving Boxes
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I need to find a way to generate some barcode labels or, perhaps, purchase 
> some barcode labels that I can slap on moving boxes.
> 
> My first solution was to use the Digit Eyes app but, after trying for over 
> 2-hours, with three different computers, Including Windows 7, Windows 10, and 
> Mac OS Catalina, and 2 different laser printers, and, after purchasing the 
> blank Avery labels the developer said I should get, I cannot get the printed 
> barcodes to line up correctly on the actual labels.  I am extremely 
> disappointed in this aspect of the digit Eyes app for iOS.  The funny thing 
> is that the test print pages for Digit Eyes line up perfectly.  It is the 
> generated PDF document that, even on screen, are not centered correctly.  I 
> was told by the developer that they now generate their barcodes via Google.
> Whatever!  I have wasted enough time with Digit Eyes with regard to 
> generating audio labels.  
> 
> Does anyone know of another off-the-shelf solution?  
> 
> Can one buy pre-printed barcodes that one could use with Digit Eyes? Or some 
> other way I can reliably label boxes in order to have my phone tell me the 
> contents of the box?
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Capturing iPhone VoiceOver for a Zoom conference

[Richard Turner]

I do know that the computer mic can pick up the VoiceOver speech as I teach 
some clients how to use VoiceOver by connecting with their computer via Zoom 
since they only have the iPhone for calls.
However, if you need the iPhone connected to the same meeting, be very sure you 
have the iPhone zoom audio muted or you will get very loud feedback.


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On May 11, 2020, at 5:27 AM, "joediner...@gmail.com"  
wrote:


Good morning,

I am going to need to do a demonstration on my iPhone coming up in the next two 
weeks on a Zoom meeting.. I am going to be sharing my iPhone screen, however 
usually you cant hear VoiceOver that way, obviously I can try with my computer 
logged in as well and have the computer microphone pick up the speech, but is 
there a way to do it with the phone plugged into the PC, so that the computer 
captures the sound?

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Re: Editing Bluetooth Device Name

[Richard Turner]

It appears that Logitech k480 is one of the devices that cannot be renamed. The 
article mentions that some cannot.
Too bad.
I hope your 380's can.


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On May 11, 2020, at 5:37 AM, Mike B.  wrote:


Good morning Isaac,
Yee'ee'ee'ee'eeHaah, Thank you very much for this.  This is 
gurhrhrhrhrhhrhrhrhhrhrhrhrhhrrhrhhrhr ate.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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- Original Message -
From: Isaac Hebert
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: Editing Bluetooth Device Name

First make sure your bluetooth device is powered on and connected.
Next go to settings and bluetooth.  Next choose more info for the
device that you want to rename.  Next choose name and then type in the
name.  Then choose done.   Here is a link to an article that explains
this.  
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205348

On 5/11/20, Mike B. mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> 
wrote:
> Good morning all,
>
> Running the SE 2020 phone with iOS 13.4.1, in case this matters.  In
> Settings / Bluetooth / My Devices is it possible to edit the names of the
> listed devices?  I have 2 identical K380 keyboards and would like to
> distinguish between them if possible.  Also on my wife's SE 2020 phone she
> has 2 vehicles connected and she would like to label them as such.  All help
>
> is greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.
>
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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Re: Editing Bluetooth Device Name

[Mike B.]

Good morning Isaac,
Yee'ee'ee'ee'eeHaah, Thank you very much for this.  This is 
gurhrhrhrhrhhrhrhrhhrhrhrhrhhrrhrhhrhr ate.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 
From: Isaac Hebert
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: Editing Bluetooth Device Name


First make sure your bluetooth device is powered on and connected.
Next go to settings and bluetooth.  Next choose more info for the
device that you want to rename.  Next choose name and then type in the
name.  Then choose done.   Here is a link to an article that explains
this.  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205348

On 5/11/20, Mike B.  wrote:
> Good morning all,
>
> Running the SE 2020 phone with iOS 13.4.1, in case this matters.  In
> Settings / Bluetooth / My Devices is it possible to edit the names of the
> listed devices?  I have 2 identical K380 keyboards and would like to
> distinguish between them if possible.  Also on my wife's SE 2020 phone she
> has 2 vehicles connected and she would like to label them as such.  All 
> help
>
> is greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.
>
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I 
> pee
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> it cleans the toilet.
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Re: Editing Bluetooth Device Name

[Isaac Hebert]

First make sure your bluetooth device is powered on and connected.
Next go to settings and bluetooth.  Next choose more info for the
device that you want to rename.  Next choose name and then type in the
name.  Then choose done.   Here is a link to an article that explains
this.  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205348

On 5/11/20, Mike B.  wrote:
> Good morning all,
>
> Running the SE 2020 phone with iOS 13.4.1, in case this matters.  In
> Settings / Bluetooth / My Devices is it possible to edit the names of the
> listed devices?  I have 2 identical K380 keyboards and would like to
> distinguish between them if possible.  Also on my wife's SE 2020 phone she
> has 2 vehicles connected and she would like to label them as such.  All help
>
> is greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.
>
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee
>
> it cleans the toilet.
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Capturing iPhone VoiceOver for a Zoom conference

[joedinero68]

Good morning,

 

I am going to need to do a demonstration on my iPhone coming up in the next two 
weeks on a Zoom meeting.. I am going to be sharing my iPhone screen, however 
usually you cant hear VoiceOver that way, obviously I can try with my computer 
logged in as well and have the computer microphone pick up the speech, but is 
there a way to do it with the phone plugged into the PC, so that the computer 
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Editing Bluetooth Device Name

[Mike B.]

Good morning all,

Running the SE 2020 phone with iOS 13.4.1, in case this matters.  In 
Settings / Bluetooth / My Devices is it possible to edit the names of the 
listed devices?  I have 2 identical K380 keyboards and would like to 
distinguish between them if possible.  Also on my wife's SE 2020 phone she 
has 2 vehicles connected and she would like to label them as such.  All help 
is greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

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Re: Siri Listening to Music

[Richard Turner]

It hasn't gotten one wrong yet when I've tried.


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On May 11, 2020, at 1:20 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:


But how do you get on if it’s a cover by a band not the original?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
Giannetti
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2020 6:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri Listening to Music

Hi Richard. Sorry as I didn’t realize that you had answer the question or I 
would not have.
Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!


On May 10, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 you ask Siri, What's playing.
Siri will say something like let me listen. Then after 5 to 30 seconds or so, 
it will tell you.
Very slick indeed.

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On May 10, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Mike B. 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

How do you tell Siri to listen to something, like a song on the radio?  Let's 
say you're listening to a song and you can't recall the title or who does the 
song, how do you tell Siri to listen to it and tell you what you want know?  
Thanks much.

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Re: help with getting rid of a number

[Gordon]

Glad to hear that this solved the issue. Maybe you wont have to go 
through these steps next time you need to edit a contact.


On 5/11/2020 4:10 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
Hi Gordon, going into iCloud and turning contacts off before I change 
the contact and putting it back on afterwards works perfictly thanks 
very mluch.  Janet

*From:* Gordon
*Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2020 8:29 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: help with getting rid of a number

Please let us know if this works. I can't be positive that it will, 
but it makes sense to me that it might. If not I'll see what else I 
can think of. Have you ever used Google services on your phone that 
would require you to add your Gmail account? If you have, there's a 
chance that you could have duplicate contact entries coming from both 
Google and iCloud. In this case you can turn off syncing of your 
Google contacts. We'll go down that road if my first suggestion 
doesn't solve your issue.


On 5/11/2020 12:46 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

Hi Gordon thanks very much will give it a try. Janet
*From:* Gordon
*Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2020 6:42 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: help with getting rid of a number

So when you go into your iCloud under settings and your name, you 
should see where it shows you everything that's using iCloud with the 
ability to toggle it off. So you would turn it off and then go make 
the changes to your contact and hit done. Then go turn the iCloud 
setting back on for contacts and it should sync the correct stuff 
over to iCloud and hopefully make your contact the way you want it.


On 5/11/2020 12:34 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
thanks for this but how do I go about taking numbers out of the 
iCloud please? Janet

*From:* Richard Turner
*Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2020 6:30 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: help with getting rid of a number
or, you could call Apple Accessibility's 24 hour number to see if 
they have an idea: 877-204-3930



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On May 10, 2020, at 10:22 PM, Gordon mailto:gor...@gordonradio.com 
wrote:




I can't say for sure, but perhaps turning off iCloud for contacts, 
making the contact the way you want it and then turning it back on 
might solve the issue.


On 5/11/2020 12:10 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
Morning to you all, my problem is I have a person in my contacts 
list who has changed their number.  I deleted the number and 
replaced it with their new one.  when I type their name in 
messages to send them a text I still get the other number coming 
up as well as the one I want.  I deleted the contact completely 
and re entered their details but it is still coming up with the 
other number.  any help please?  Janet

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Re: help with getting rid of a number

[Janet Bell]

Hi Gordon, going into iCloud and turning contacts off before I change the 
contact and putting it back on afterwards works perfictly thanks very mluch.  
Janet

From: Gordon 
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 8:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: help with getting rid of a number

Please let us know if this works. I can't be positive that it will, but it 
makes sense to me that it might. If not I'll see what else I can think of. Have 
you ever used Google services on your phone that would require you to add your 
Gmail account? If you have, there's a chance that you could have duplicate 
contact entries coming from both Google and iCloud. In this case you can turn 
off syncing of your Google contacts. We'll go down that road if my first 
suggestion doesn't solve your issue. 


On 5/11/2020 12:46 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

  Hi Gordon thanks very much will give it a try.  Janet

  From: Gordon 
  Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 6:42 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: help with getting rid of a number

  So when you go into your iCloud under settings and your name, you should see 
where it shows you everything that's using iCloud with the ability to toggle it 
off. So you would turn it off and then go make the changes to your contact and 
hit done. Then go turn the iCloud setting back on for contacts and it should 
sync the correct stuff over to iCloud and hopefully make your contact the way 
you want it. 


  On 5/11/2020 12:34 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

thanks for this but how do I go about taking numbers out of the iCloud 
please?  Janet

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 6:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: help with getting rid of a number

or, you could call Apple Accessibility's 24 hour number to see if they have 
an idea: 877-204-3930 



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  On May 10, 2020, at 10:22 PM, Gordon mailto:gor...@gordonradio.com wrote:


   
  I can't say for sure, but perhaps turning off iCloud for contacts,  
making the contact the way you want it and then turning it back on might solve 
the issue. 


  On 5/11/2020 12:10 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

Morning to you all, my problem is I have a person in my contacts list 
who has changed their number.  I deleted the number and replaced it with their 
new one.  when I type their name in messages to send them a text I still get 
the other number coming up as well as the one I want.  I deleted the contact 
completely and re entered their details but it is still coming up with the 
other number.  any help please?  Janet
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RE: Need Help with Generating / Finding Audio Labels for Moving Boxes

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

Not answering your question but where you heading to?

Anywhere exciting?

Simon F


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2020 8:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need Help with Generating / Finding Audio Labels for Moving Boxes

Hello Everyone,

I need to find a way to generate some barcode labels or, perhaps, purchase some 
barcode labels that I can slap on moving boxes.

My first solution was to use the Digit Eyes app but, after trying for over 
2-hours, with three different computers, Including Windows 7, Windows 10, and 
Mac OS Catalina, and 2 different laser printers, and, after purchasing the 
blank Avery labels the developer said I should get, I cannot get the printed 
barcodes to line up correctly on the actual labels.  I am extremely 
disappointed in this aspect of the digit Eyes app for iOS.  The funny thing is 
that the test print pages for Digit Eyes line up perfectly.  It is the 
generated PDF document that, even on screen, are not centered correctly.  I was 
told by the developer that they now generate their barcodes via Google.
Whatever!  I have wasted enough time with Digit Eyes with regard to generating 
audio labels.  

Does anyone know of another off-the-shelf solution?  

Can one buy pre-printed barcodes that one could use with Digit Eyes? Or some 
other way I can reliably label boxes in order to have my phone tell me the 
contents of the box?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: Siri Listening to Music

[Simon A Fogarty]

But how do you get on if it’s a cover by a band not the original?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
Giannetti
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2020 6:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri Listening to Music

Hi Richard. Sorry as I didn’t realize that you had answer the question or I 
would not have.
Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!


On May 10, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 you ask Siri, What's playing.
Siri will say something like let me listen. Then after 5 to 30 seconds or so, 
it will tell you.
Very slick indeed.

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On May 10, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Mike B. 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

How do you tell Siri to listen to something, like a song on the radio?  Let's 
say you're listening to a song and you can't recall the title or who does the 
song, how do you tell Siri to listen to it and tell you what you want know?  
Thanks much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
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RE: GPS Apps for hiking?

[Simon A Fogarty]

I don’t know about walking tracks  in your country

But I wouldn’t rely on gps apps for walking tracks here in n new Zealand,

If you don’t turn in the right place it’s a sudden stop at the bottom of a 1000 
foot drop,
Or the track that was there yesterday,
Is missing  some critical section tomorrow.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2020 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: GPS Apps for hiking?

Kelly is right, it would be better for the friend to join the list; but beyond 
that, one of the first things you are presented with when you first use any GPS 
app, is the warning to not rely solely on a GPS device.
Anyone who does so, is asking to get lost or worse.
Perhaps a call to Aira, since they could look at a map of their location and 
get an idea what's around.
The bottom line is GPS accuracy can range from 30 feet to several hundred feet 
depending on the location, weather, and quality of the receiver.
That and the travel skills of the person using it.

Richard
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On May 9, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Kelly Pierce 
mailto:kellyt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Please ask your friend to join this list.  Then he can interact with
us and present his issue directly. Often, a third party’s question or
concern is either not fully understood or articulated.

Kelly 

   
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mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Hello, I have a question on GPS Apps.  Using Blind square, or any of the
Apps, I noticed that sometimes the direction will say, 100 feet to your
right or left or whatever it is.  Sometimes the left or right is correct
but, is there a way to know for sure if it is left or right?  If you are
solo, no one is around, it could be a problem to go in the wrong
direction.I know that is obcious but,  just asking for a friend.  Thank
you Andy and Shubert

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Google Maps includes bike and hiking trails so it can offer turn by turn
directions on these. Would you be on designated trails or hiking in areas
off trail?

Kelly

 
   
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Re: help with getting rid of a number

[Gordon]

Please let us know if this works. I can't be positive that it will, but 
it makes sense to me that it might. If not I'll see what else I can 
think of. Have you ever used Google services on your phone that would 
require you to add your Gmail account? If you have, there's a chance 
that you could have duplicate contact entries coming from both Google 
and iCloud. In this case you can turn off syncing of your Google 
contacts. We'll go down that road if my first suggestion doesn't solve 
your issue.


On 5/11/2020 12:46 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

Hi Gordon thanks very much will give it a try.  Janet
*From:* Gordon
*Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2020 6:42 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: help with getting rid of a number

So when you go into your iCloud under settings and your name, you 
should see where it shows you everything that's using iCloud with the 
ability to toggle it off. So you would turn it off and then go make 
the changes to your contact and hit done. Then go turn the iCloud 
setting back on for contacts and it should sync the correct stuff over 
to iCloud and hopefully make your contact the way you want it.


On 5/11/2020 12:34 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
thanks for this but how do I go about taking numbers out of the 
iCloud please?  Janet

*From:* Richard Turner
*Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2020 6:30 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: help with getting rid of a number
or, you could call Apple Accessibility's 24 hour number to see if 
they have an idea: 877-204-3930



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On May 10, 2020, at 10:22 PM, Gordon mailto:gor...@gordonradio.com 
wrote:




I can't say for sure, but perhaps turning off iCloud for contacts,  
making the contact the way you want it and then turning it back on 
might solve the issue.


On 5/11/2020 12:10 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
Morning to you all, my problem is I have a person in my contacts 
list who has changed their number.  I deleted the number and 
replaced it with their new one.  when I type their name in messages 
to send them a text I still get the other number coming up as well 
as the one I want.  I deleted the contact completely and re entered 
their details but it is still coming up with the other number.  any 
help please?  Janet

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