RE: [Vo]:Rossi demos his product line to be available for pre-order

2021-12-09 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
mber 9, 2021 8:18 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi demos his product line to be available for pre-order Is this device looking like a repackaged HID lamp? Time will tell ...

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2021-12-09 Thread Jones Beene
> Is this device looking like a repackaged HID lamp? Curiously, it could still be gainful - which is not clear from the data. BTW the operational data was supplied by the genius - Levi - deja vu all over again. OK - if we are not in some strange time warp, this collection of details begs the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi demos his product line to be available for pre-order

2021-12-09 Thread Jones Beene
Is this device looking like a repackaged HID lamp? Time will tell ...

[Vo]:Rossi demos his product line to be available for pre-order

2021-12-08 Thread Axil Axil
The official presentation video of the Rossi product line will be posted on this new YouTube Channel for Leonardo Corporation: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-q3RyFx45IpxaIL-2xb_0A There is no content there at this point, but the video will go live on this channel on thursday 9:00 am Miami

Re: [Vo]:ROSSI SKEPTICAL COMMENT

2019-06-06 Thread Axil Axil
Your referenced article is replete with invalid assumptions. Based on my current understanding of the Rossi reaction. most of the energy that is generated by the E-Cat now comes from the extraction of energy from the vacuum via Hawking radiation. The transmutation of matter if any is a nuisance

Re: [Vo]:Rossi skeptical commentary--

2019-06-06 Thread Ron Kita
A..our bookstore...has copies of the Skeptical Inquirer...I merely read the "pathetic contents". I am not sure anybody would want to buy it. I think folks who are basically jealous of the innovative. I don t see anybody with a creative mind..even wanting to get close to this magazine. Ad

[Vo]:ROSSI SKEPTICAL COMMENT

2019-06-06 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
See the following link for a renewed skepticism regarding reality of LENR focused on Rossi’s reactor. https://skepticalinquirer.org/2019/05/further-comments-on-e-cat-claims/ IMHO it would be nice for the skeptic’s review to address current happenings (like Rossi’s January 2019 paper on the

[Vo]:Rossi skeptical commentary--

2019-06-06 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
See the following link for a renewed skepticism regarding reality of LENR focused on Rossi’s reactor. https://skepticalinquirer.org/2019/05/further-comments-on-e-cat-claims/ IMHO it would be nice for the skeptic’s review to address current happenings (like Rossi’s January 2019 paper on

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-02 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
degeneracy in a potential well as discussed above. Bob Cook Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com> Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 1:14:53 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [V

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-02 Thread mixent
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Sun, 03 Dec 2017 13:33:57 +1100: Hi, PS - I think this is what I recollect reading some time ago:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_Specific_Impulse_Magnetoplasma_Rocket Regards, Robin van Spaandonk local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-02 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Sat, 2 Dec 2017 07:01:42 -0700: Hi Bob, [snip] >Hi Robin, Can you supply a link? The only thing I can find with ion >thrusters is that the magnetic field is used to prevent the ions from >striking the side walls. I didn't find anything that suggests that a

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-02 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Sat, 2 Dec 2017 07:01:42 -0700: Hi Bob, [snip] >Hi Robin, Can you supply a link? The only thing I can find with ion >thrusters is that the magnetic field is used to prevent the ions from >striking the side walls. I didn't find anything that suggests that a

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-02 Thread Brian Ahern
mo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio I agree with the idea of adding a dimension to Holmlid’s laser setup—may be expensive however, since lasers with the appropriate frequency may be necessary to get good coupling. Given known quadrupole magnetic moments in various dat

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-02 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
in an LENR process IMHO. Bob Cook From: JonesBeene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:50 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio I should have mentioned that another wrinkle on

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-02 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
ows 10 From: JonesBeene <jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:24:08 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio Why superwaves? A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called “energy localiz

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-02 Thread Adrian Ashfield
Adrian Ashfield December 1, 2017 at 11:20 AM Dear Andrea Rossi: You say the E-Cat QX worked at limited power during the Stockholm event at the IVA (20 W). What is its real power? Regards, Adrian Ashfield Andrea Rossi December 1, 2017 at 12:31 PM Adrian Ashfield: Average 60 W, max for

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-02 Thread JonesBeene
I should have mentioned that another wrinkle on superwaves could employ light waves - the so-called Letts-Cravens effect where laser irradiation of two lasers impinge on a loaded lattice. AFAIK – Holmlid has always used only one laser. Perhaps he should superwave it ? Another wrinkle would

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-02 Thread JonesBeene
Why superwaves? A known mechanism for wave amplification in rigid structures is called “energy localization” which can be a feature of nanoscale packing of hydrogen in a lattice. When stimulated with two waveforms at different frequencies, a paradigm shift can be engineered on the

[Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-02 Thread Bob Higgins
Hi Robin, Can you supply a link? The only thing I can find with ion thrusters is that the magnetic field is used to prevent the ions from striking the side walls. I didn't find anything that suggests that a magnetic field can turn high energy ion trajectories from an omnidirectional source into

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-01 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Fri, 1 Dec 2017 16:48:01 -0700: Hi, [snip] >I cannot comprehend a magnetic field configuration that would unidirectionally >focus an omnidirectional emission of alpha particles. If you had such a thing >it would be useful for making radioisotope alpha

[Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-01 Thread Bob Higgins
t from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > -- > *From:* Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, December 1, 2017 7:08:35 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* [Vo]:Ro

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-01 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 7:08:35 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio As I understand i

[Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-12-01 Thread Bob Higgins
e >> annular space where the dusty plasma exists and charge the outer surface of >> the reactor. >> >> >> >> I disagree with Axil that the suncell hydrino reaction is like the QX >> reaction. The spectra of the two reactions are not reported to be alike. >

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-30 Thread Axil Axil
> reaction. The spectra of the two reactions are not reported to be alike. > > > > Bob Cook > > . > > > > > > > -- > *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:50:23 AM > *To:* vo

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-30 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
. The spectra of the two reactions are not reported to be alike. Bob Cook . From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:50:23 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio The QX is a downsiz

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-30 Thread Axil Axil
ssi knows how to feed gadflies > > > > *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:14 PM > *To:* vortex-l > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio > > > > Rossi has always used demos to drum up investo

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-30 Thread Russ George
Rossi knows how to feed gadflies From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:14 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio Rossi has always used demos to drum up investor interest. Rossi is at a pause p

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-30 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi has always used demos to drum up investor interest. Rossi is at a pause point in the engineering of the QX and is desirous of a manufacturing deal. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Adrian Ashfield wrote: > > the demo served no net purpose > > >1. Andrea Rossi >

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-30 Thread Adrian Ashfield
the demo served no net purpose Andrea Rossi November 29, 2017 at 4:32 PM Italo R.: Several

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2017-11-30 Thread Axil Axil
The QX is a downsized version of the SunCell with the plasma ball reduced to the size of a speck of dust. You can understand what is happening inside the QX by looking at what is happening inside the SunCell. The metal used in the QX is aluminum whereas the metal used to support the plasma inside

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-30 Thread JonesBeene
BTW here is another datum in the quest for provable LENR using superwaves, and it is a GRANTED US patent which cites the Dardik patent https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US9540960 Nicolas Chauvin inventor. Low energy nuclear thermoelectric system - Abstract A low energy nuclear

[Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-30 Thread Bob Higgins
In the experiments I am aware of, waveforms were only tried as applied to the heater coils (or in my case to a magnetic field coil). There was no evidence of enhanced XH. This could be because the waveform was not well "coupled" to the active medium. These were heat driven Parkhomov-like

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-30 Thread JonesBeene
Bob Have you (or MFMP) experimented with any variation of the Dardik superwave? I think it is more than coincidence that Rossi, Brillouin, Kimmel, Energetics etc, etc have employed interfering waveforms as the input power. Even if Rossi’s recent effort was a null result, it is true that his PS

[Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-30 Thread Bob Higgins
To most of us here, the issue of patent infringement unimportant. Infringement would only become an issue once the device was going to product, and it would only go to product if it was usefully producing XE. The real issue is that so little was demonstrated in this meeting that what Rossi has

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-30 Thread JonesBeene
“We may agree that the demo is crazy but is it crazy enough to have a chance of being correct ?” Ha - ‘Bohring’ as it may sound, that may be a decent summation of the current situation, but so is the observation that at least 60 watts electrical is going in from the wall and only 50 watts

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2017-11-30 Thread ROGER ANDERTON
Bohr supposedly said variants of: We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct.https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Niels_Bohr As regards the mess in physics; Bohr, Heisenberg, Feynman etc were all working

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nigel Dyer wrote: I've sat through a number of talks at fringe science conferences that were > modelled on the two excellent you tube videos. The speakers usually give > every impression that they fully believe the nonsense that they are > presenting is correct. They

Re: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-29 Thread Adrian Ashfield
"he “ought to have” seen something valid, but if so, he has done a grand job of hiding it and making success look exactly like fraud looks." You can tell what good job he is doing because he isn't giving any more demos and is not asking the public for a dime. Obviously a brand be scam where

RE: [Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-29 Thread JonesBeene
From: Nigel Dyer ➢ There must be some fascinating psychology at work.  I assume that it has a syndrome name. If not then I am sure we could give it one. Agreed. There is Borderline Personality Disorder" (BPD) and check out the old Essay on the Leviton lie, from our mystery moderator Bill

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2017-11-29 Thread Nigel Dyer
I've sat through a number of talks at fringe science conferences that were modelled on the two excellent you tube videos. The speakers usually give every impression that they fully believe the nonsense that they are presenting is correct.  There must be some fascinating psychology at work.  I

[Vo]:Rossi dog & pony show with full audio

2017-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a copy of the video of Rossi's D show with the full audio track: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ya7fcYQhOOQo8a7EDNPHma5r25eJvxDY/view The version now at YouTube has chunks of the audio track cut out. Someone at LENR-forum was kind enough to upload the previous version with the full

[Vo]:Rossi demo

2017-11-25 Thread Frank Znidarsic
The test proved nothing. It takes 25 KV to make a spark in an automotive cylinder at high pressure. That's the reason for the ignition coil. At lower pressures less voltage is needed. A low pressure florescent tube requires hundreds of volts to start the arc. That is the reason for the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi building a commercial reactor

2017-09-05 Thread Che
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Adrian Ashfield wrote: > > Thanks to Frank Acland for eliciting this information. > http://e-catworld.com/2017/09/04/rossi-first-e-cat-plants- > under-construction-will-sell-energy-not-plants/ > We learn now that these first plants

[Vo]:Rossi building a commercial reactor

2017-09-04 Thread Adrian Ashfield
Andrea Rossi confirms that the E-Cat QX will be demonstrated late in October. Also that he has started building a commercial unit, (with an output of more than 1 MW?), where he will sell the heat output, not the reactor. It looks like his plan is to gather operating experience and not sell

Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

2017-07-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Maybe whoever is trying to develop the device alongside Rossi next time shouldn't fund his competitors.Don't piss him off. That kind of thing. Let Fred Flinstone keep his job. On 7/20/17, Axil Axil wrote: > This trillion $$ invention only works if Rossi is there at

Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

2017-07-20 Thread Axil Axil
This trillion $$ invention only works if Rossi is there at the controls to adjust it minute by minute. It is a device that only Rossi can use. On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 11:00 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > What's wrong with this picture? > > Great inventor presents crappy-looking

Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

2017-07-20 Thread Jones Beene
What's wrong with this picture? Great inventor presents crappy-looking experiment along with brain-dead theory... while at the same time, he has just completed successful test of the most valuable energy device of all time - producing an average megawatt of power over a year at a gain of at

Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

2017-07-20 Thread Che
Is this yet another Rossi 'black' box..? Bah, then. Full disclosure. Open-Source Science -- which AFAIC includes Open-Source engineering, too. Forget becoming rich and famous. Just do it for Humanity. On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Nick wrote: > E-Cat QX Picture

[Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

2017-07-20 Thread Nick
E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000 reported with Calorimetry) | E-Cat World | | | | || | | | | | E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000 reported ... | | | |  https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-19 Thread Lennart Thornros
Frank Is it 1.094 MHz? On Jul 19, 2017 10:12, "Frank Znidarsic" wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern > wrote: > > > > There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically > > impossible. > >/snip > > > This is

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-19 Thread Frank Znidarsic
> > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern wrote: > > There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically > impossible. >/snip This is exactly what I expected. Terra hertz radiation forms a vibrationally reinforced Bose condensate (a

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-19 Thread Russ George
Once in a while a tidbit of real value makes it through the vortex. The Ralph Waldo Emerson quote on the Hobgoblins of little minds is one such tidbit, Thanks! From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:15 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo

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2017-07-19 Thread Axil Axil
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1411.6822 Exciton-polariton condensates Tim Byrnes,1 Na Young Kim,2 and Yoshihisa Yamamoto1, 2 1National Institute of Informatics, 2-1-2 Hitotsubashi, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101-8430, Japan 2E. L. Ginzton Laboratory, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305 (Dated: November 26,

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-19 Thread Che
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:04 AM, Che wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:02 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > >> I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely >> requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is

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2017-07-19 Thread Che
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:02 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely > requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is possible > > This is not an absolute. When polaritons are confined in an optical cavity

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2017-07-19 Thread Axil Axil
try linear Bose Einstin condensate On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:59 AM, Che wrote: > > Looking up 'linear BEC' I'm getting battery circuits... wtf. > :P > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Che wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:35

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2017-07-19 Thread Axil Axil
I'm no fyzicist, but BECs are the quantum state of matter absolutely requiring the least possible amount of energy in the system as is possible This is not an absolute. When polaritons are confined in an optical cavity over time, FANO interference forces the waveform into a soliton. In other

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2017-07-19 Thread Che
Looking up 'linear BEC' I'm getting battery circuits... wtf. :P On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Che wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Kevin O'Malley > wrote: > >> Wouldn't that be fascinating if High Temp Superconductors were >>

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2017-07-19 Thread Che
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > Wouldn't that be fascinating if High Temp Superconductors were > generating linear BECs? I can see they might be Luttinger Liquids, > but let's say it went one step further, not into a solid state of > matter but

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2017-07-19 Thread Axil Axil
The Ideal shape of the LENR active nanoparticles is the nanowire. [image: tumblr_inline_nklod0IHqf1rpydpj.gif] (Simulation of the continuous polarization dependence of the photoinduced surface plasmon polaritons field distribution in a silver nanoresonator of 5.7 μm length and 67 nm radius

Re: [Vo]:Rossi vs. Darden Settlement Agreement Published

2017-07-19 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Rossi – IH Settlement Published: Rossi Gets Back All Rights to E-Cat, IH no Longer Involved Posted on July 18, 2017 • 96 Comments http://e-catworld.com/2017/07/18/rossi-ih-settlement-published-rossi-gets-back-all-rights/ Rossi Interview with Mats Lewan Settlement Agreement:

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2017-07-19 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Wouldn't that be fascinating if High Temp Superconductors were generating linear BECs? I can see they might be Luttinger Liquids, but let's say it went one step further, not into a solid state of matter but into the Condensate state of matter.Are there telltale signs of a BEC? On 7/18/17,

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2017-07-18 Thread Che
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern wrote: > > There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically > impossible. > > ***Someone should tell the guys who are working

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2017-07-18 Thread Che
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Brian Ahern wrote: > > > There are no room temperature superconductors. They are theoretically impossible. All reports of them have never been corroborated. > The explanation would take hours, but Keith Johnson solved the problem in 1983 in

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2017-07-18 Thread Kevin O'Malley
gt; they do not share all of the attributes. >> >> -- >> *From:* Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2017 1:56 PM >> *To:* Vortex >> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled >>

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2017-07-18 Thread Axil Axil
ct, but > they do not share all of the attributes. > > -- > *From:* Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2017 1:56 PM > *To:* Vortex > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled > > I wrote: > > &g

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2017-07-18 Thread Brian Ahern
that seem like a Meisner Effect, but they do not share all of the attributes. From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:56 PM To: Vortex Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled I wrote: I do not

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2017-07-17 Thread Che
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Che wrote: > > >> This is what I am not getting. Why are we even talking about 'cold >> fusion' as a reality, when initial (wild?) success always seems to end up >> in a dead-end -- where

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2017-07-17 Thread Che
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > We shoud not be talking about 'cold fusion'. We should be talking about > proton decay. > I *totally* disagree. 'Cold Fusion' is clearly a term with mucho popularizing potential... and most importantly: **it is NOT all that

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2017-07-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Che wrote: > This is what I am not getting. Why are we even talking about 'cold fusion' > as a reality, when initial (wild?) success always seems to end up in a > dead-end -- where people can get away with SAYING this sort of thing..? > The results are not a bit

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2017-07-17 Thread Axil Axil
We shoud not be talking about 'cold fusion'. We should be talking about proton decay. On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Che wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Brian Ahern wrote: > > > > > > Axil's pronouncements seem to indicate well

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread ROGER ANDERTON
d always below C.  Particles may move at a higher velocity than light in a medium, but not in empty space—all this is standard physics today.   Bob Cook   From: Kevin O'Malley Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled   On 7/1

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2017-07-17 Thread Che
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Brian Ahern wrote: > > > Axil's pronouncements seem to indicate well established experimental evidence. There is none. > > Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing in a witch doctor to lead the discussion. > >

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2017-07-17 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled On 7/17/17, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote: Bremsstrahlung is associated with the slo

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2017-07-17 Thread ROGER ANDERTON
I mean by the mainstream relativists, "they" have got it wrong when "they" teach it On Monday, 17 July 2017, 22:58, ROGER ANDERTON wrote: all based on misunderstanding relativity due to translation errors as I shall point out in my next physics talks.

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2017-07-17 Thread ROGER ANDERTON
all based on misunderstanding relativity due to translation errors as I shall point out in my next physics talks. On Monday, 17 July 2017, 22:55, Kevin O'Malley wrote: On 7/17/17, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:   Bremsstrahlung is

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2017-07-17 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On 7/17/17, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: Bremsstrahlung is associated with the slowing of a charged > particle which enters a substance at a velocity greater than the speed of > light in the medium. Velocity greater than C? I thought there was nothing that could

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On 7/17/17, Brian Ahern wrote: > > The sad reality is that nobody has succeeded in producing 1.0 watts of > excess energy with a COP > 1.5 on a repeatable and demonstrated platform. > ***What about the NANOR? And also, what about those 153 peer reviewed replications of

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2017-07-17 Thread Brian Ahern
I agree with your assessment. I failed to exceed 200 milliwatts. That was my hero result from the EPRI Study in 2012 From: Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:05 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus

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2017-07-17 Thread Brian Ahern
My MS thesis showed the SC in PdD and PdH in 1975. It works every time at 11K and 9K respectively. From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 11:25 AM To: Vortex Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled Brian

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2017-07-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > I do not think there is experimental evidence for this, I suppose because > it would be difficult to test for. > Difficult because, presumably, in the cathode only microscopic domains of nuclear-active spots superconduct. Not the whole cathode. I think that finding a tiny amount of

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled Brian’s words are very true. The amount of experimental based wisdom found here is very rare indeed while there is a super abundance of pundiprophecy, aka bullshit. Alas this is not a matte

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
or an experimental reference may help clarify. Bob Cook From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:14 PM To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled When the meissner effect associated with Hole supercondu

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Brian Ahern wrote: Inviting superconductivity into LENR has no more validity than bringing in > a witch doctor to lead the discussion. > Martin Fleischmann and others suggested that the hydrogen in a highly loaded palladium hydride might be superconducting. Cryogenic

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-17 Thread Russ George
their teaching for free. From: Brian Ahern [mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:46 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled Axil's pronouncements seem to indicate well established experimental evidence. There is none. Inviting

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2017-07-17 Thread Brian Ahern
energy with a COP > 1.5 on a repeatable and demonstrated platform. From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:14 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled When the meissner effect associated with Hole supercon

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-16 Thread Axil Axil
; > Bob Cook > > > > *From: *Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:45 PM > *To: *vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled > > > > Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produc

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-16 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
or react with production of gammas or the 0.51 Mev EM radiation associated with the reaction of a electron and a positron. Bob Cook From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:45 PM To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-16 Thread Axil Axil
ed problem of some LENR reactions, > however. I consider energetic neutrons, if produced, would be readily > observed. > > > > Bob Cook > > *From: *Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:45 PM > *To: *vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-16 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas? On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote: I beli

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2017-07-12 Thread Che
You want the last word? Make another useless email reply. On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Che wrote: > > >> What? You calling me a liar? >>> >>> Okay, have it your way: you're a liar. Now tell us who sneered. >>> >>

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2017-07-12 Thread Che
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 7:46 PM, ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > > 5 Jul at 5:50 PM said : So much drama for nothing... > > > does that count as sneering? No, actually. In this sense here, it is sneering when it is in fact _unwarranted_, and _gratuitously_ dismissive.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Che wrote: > What? You calling me a liar? >>> >> >> Okay, have it your way: you're a liar. Now tell us who sneered. >> > > > Nyah, nyah, nyhah, petit-bourgeois swell-head engineer. > Hey, you asked me to call you that! Make up your mind. > And for the record: the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-12 Thread Che
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 7:34 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Che wrote: > > >> Who sneered? Who are "they"? >>> >>> - Jed >>> >>> >> What? You calling me a liar? >> > > Okay, have it your way: you're a liar. Now tell us who sneered. > Nyah, nyah,

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2017-07-11 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Fusion events, and other nuclear exchanges. On 7/11/17, Axil Axil wrote: > Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas? > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley > wrote: > >> I believe gammas are generated and then

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2017-07-11 Thread Axil Axil
Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas? On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced > and diced into X rays. That is, the vast majority of the gammas. >

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2017-07-11 Thread Kevin O'Malley
I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced and diced into X rays. That is, the vast majority of the gammas. Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing. That's why Celani saw Gammas at

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-11 Thread ROGER ANDERTON
5 Jul at 5:50 PM  said :   So much drama fornothing... does that count as sneering? On Wednesday, 12 July 2017, 0:35, Jed Rothwell wrote: Che wrote:  Who sneered? Who are "they"? - Jed What? You calling me a liar? Okay, have it

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Che wrote: > Who sneered? Who are "they"? >> >> - Jed >> >> > What? You calling me a liar? > Okay, have it your way: you're a liar. Now tell us who sneered. > Go read the thread. > I don't see it. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-11 Thread Che
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Che wrote: > > >> > Not so - no one here that I am aware of - sneers at MFMP. Or if they do - >>> they are misguided. >>> >> >> Well they have. Right here. Recently. >> > > Who sneered? Who

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