On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
horace, you have two flaws in reasoning. T3 is inlet water
temperature. Not the temperature of output of primary circuit. You
are correct, it should be the value what you thought it to be, but
this is the main flaw in the test. This also
OK, Jed !
Here's a route to storing energy in molten salts in an insulated
container, and releasing it under exact control at choice as late as a
week later at 99 % restoration of the stored heat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_energy_storage
Molten salt technology
Molten salt can be
The Tout thermocouple being within an inch or two of the hot steam flow into
the heat exchanger does not sit well w/me...
From watching Lewan's video again, the external heat exchanger (XHX) was
operated in counter-current flow, where the steam from the primary circuit
flowed opposite to the
Hey, Horace, I don't see anyone calling YOU a pathological skeptic
-- thanks muchly for doing my homework for me...
Gratefully, Rich Murray
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
horace, you have two
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
I never completed my secret agent course so I didn't get a positive integer.
On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
The Tout thermocouple being within an inch or two of the hot steam
flow into
the heat exchanger does not sit well w/me...
From watching Lewan's video again, the external heat exchanger
(XHX) was
operated in counter-current flow,
On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Rich Murray wrote:
Hey, Horace, I don't see anyone calling YOU a pathological skeptic
-- thanks muchly for doing my homework for me...
Gratefully, Rich Murray
Well, I am admittedly a member of the free energy lunatic fringe.
What would be the point? 8^)
I
I think that this frequency generator is just the usual blue box holding
the dimmers array that power the heating resistors.
Someone (Lewan) probably in error called it in this way and Rossi took
advantage of that, as he used to, to spread around even more smoke.
2011/10/8 Jouni Valkonen
On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Second flaw in your reasoning is that it pointless to calculate COP
from the beginning of the temporarily limited test. That is because
initial heating took 18 MJ energy before anything was happening
inside the core. Therefore COP bears
On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
frequency generator was shutdown 19:00, but E-Cat continued runing
still some 40 minutes before reactions stopped because of increased
water inflow rate. Curiously hydrogen pressure seems not to be that
important for E-Cat.
It does seem
Horace, you were correct. I did error with the temperature (one example how
easy it is to jump into conclusions when you thought to be certain, but
actually reasoning was flawed). Temperature after the heat exchanger was
indeed measured in primary circuit. But we have just two datapoints which
had
An extended review of the Rossi 6 Oct 2011 test, with a better format
graph, is located at:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
This has stressed my patience too much and exceeded my deadline.
I wait now until Rossi presents a real live demonstration that cannot
been discussed.
I would expect something like this:
All my rooms are heated by a 10 kW gasboiler.
The water inflow to my 5 radiators is currently 60°.
The
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
An extended review of the Rossi 6 Oct 2011 test, with a better format graph,
is located at:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf
This is an excellent report. I agree with the analysis, conclusions and most
of the details. I
Jed,
I totally agree with your assessment of the review and the quibble over the
seemingly anomalous heat gain when power is first removed - the anomaly
supports the claim of an ongoing LENR reaction in the reactor where control has
suddenly been handed over to a secondary agitator / signal
The electric heating power is apparently used to suppress the
reaction, not to enhance it.
I have never heard of any material acting that way. If heat from
the electric heater is used to ignite the nickel, how would
continuing to heat it after it ignites suppress the reaction? And
how would
In any case, it is nonsensical that when power is cut that output
power quickly momentarily rises.
The electric heating power is apparently used to suppress the
reaction, not to enhance it. Others have observed that in some cases
when heater power is cut, anomalous heat rises rapidly. I
Horac sez:
On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Rich Murray wrote:
Hey, Horace, I don't see anyone calling YOU a pathological skeptic
-- thanks muchly for doing my homework for me...
Well, I am admittedly a member of the free energy lunatic fringe.
What would be the point? 8^)
I still am on
Can someone tell me where the exit water themocouple was located? It
meausured a delta T of zero C to approx 9 C during the test.
Is there a photo?
Could it have been under the influence of an electic heater nearby?
Why didn't Rossi make a big tank of hot water? 120 MJ would heat 150
gallons
Hi,
On 8-10-2011 16:43, Craig Haynie wrote:
I can't help but think back to the idea that it's not heat which
triggers the reaction, but rather an event which causes the molecules to
vibrate at a certain frequency. I think Znidarsic holds this view and,
if correct, can identify the frequency
Jed sez:
...
On a completely unrelated subject, you might want to see this video
of a wild turkey chasing a television producer:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/10/07/turkey-attacks-producer.kxtv
That's hilarious! It's great that the TV reporter had the sense to keep
videotaping
On 2011-10-08 01:28, Horace Heffner wrote:
The following is in regard to the Rossi 7 Oct E-cat experiment as
reported by NyTeknic here:
A knowledgeable user on italian discussion board Energeticambiente.it
made a few impressive charts regarding the 7 Oct experiment. Everybody,
have a look at
hehe.
Harry
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
It is not outside the laws of conventional physics that some or all of
the initial input energy was converted to mass and temporarily
Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote:
Can someone tell me where the exit water themocouple was located? It
meausured a delta T of zero C to approx 9 C during the test.
This is shown in the video. I believe it was on the outside of the pipe
leading out from the heat exchanger, and it was
No, it isn't. He's talking about energy (Kwh) flow (/h)
It's amazing that nobody reads the report.
He wrote ENERGY PRODUCED. That's not energy flow, is energy produced.
ANd it's not a typo, because he wrote it many many times.
2011/10/8 Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar
On 10/07/2011 10:31 AM,
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
A knowledgeable user on italian discussion board Energeticambiente.it made
a few impressive charts regarding the 7 Oct experiment. Everybody, have a
look at the following link:
http://goo.gl/gm0D0
This links to the message: Analisi Dati
On 2011-10-08 17:46, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This links to the message: Analisi Dati esperimento FF. This has
images andamenti termici.jpg and others. But you have to be member to
see them! If the images are small, could you please copy them here?
Sorry, here is a link that should make them
vorl bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
The electric heating power is apparently used to suppress the
reaction, not to enhance it.
I have never heard of any material acting that way. If heat from
the electric heater is used to ignite the nickel, how would
continuing to heat it after it
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, here is a link that should make them available to everybody:
http://imgur.com/a/iwZQ8
Nice! Good graphs!
The Internet is wonderful.
- Jed
In what was otherwise a disappointing demo (due to the missing four hours of
the scheduled 12)... and which would have made all the difference between
success - and the 'yawner' that we are stuck with ... there is one lingering
issue.
This 'mystery device,' aka a frequency generator, could be a
You are tired of discussions and number crunching? You are in the wrong
place. Come back after cold fusion is commercialized and the whole world
agrees it is real.
Actually, I suppose this discussion group and LENR-CANR.org will be defunct
when that happens. Kind of like homebrew computer clubs
Akira:
What does this word rendomento mean, in the Google translation?
This is the graph instead of the power output. One sees that the E-cat
provides more energy than it consumes but does not rendomento is
staggering.
- Jed
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Has Rossi been 'winging it' all along?
As conjectured earlier, I think there is a current flow through the
reactor material. In another conjecture, I speculated that there
could be a sonic or ultrasonic signal which
On 2011-10-08 18:16, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Akira:
What does this word rendomento mean, in the Google translation?
It means performance, energy yield/gain. The user actually meant to
write rendimento.
This is the graph instead of the power output. One sees that the E-cat
provides more energy
vorl bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
The electric heating power is apparently used to suppress the
reaction, not to enhance it.
I have never heard of any material acting that way. If heat
from the electric heater is used to ignite the nickel, how
would continuing to heat it
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
What does this word rendomento mean, in the Google translation?
It means performance, energy yield/gain. The user actually meant to write
rendimento.
Thanks.
I think the author is wrong about that. Energy yield or gain is meaningless
in
Couldn't it be the simple explanation in that he's simply running the PWM
controller at a very low duty cycle?
As part of the teardown at the end, did they open up the blue control box?
It wasn't mentioned anywhere that I've read so far.
-mark
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Jeff Driscoll wrote:
Could it have been under the influence of an electic heater nearby?
To which Jed wrote:
There is no electric heater nearby. It could be influenced by the outlet
from the condensed steam water, but I doubt it for the following reasons: It
was far from that spot; that
Lewan told me that the thermocouples from the handheld meter were taped to
the outside of the metal pipe, and then very well insulated.
People may complain, but actually that is a fine way to do it, in my
experience.
In the video, Rossi unwrapped the pipe and showed where the thermocouples
were
Am 08.10.2011 18:13, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
What you demand here is a commercial-product demonstration:
Now, install these radiators in free air and measure the water
flow and the delta_th and absolute temperatures and log them.
Let it run non-stop for 24 hours. This would be a
vorl bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
First of all, ignition is only an analogy here. Nothing is or
can be ignited or burned in the chemical sense. There is no
oxygen. There is no fuel. No chemical changes occur in the cells.
Thanks, I needed that reminder. Now I see that pretty much
Hi,
On 8-10-2011 17:44, Mattia Rizzi wrote:
No, it isn't. He's talking about energy (Kwh) flow (/h)
It's amazing that nobody reads the report.
He wrote ENERGY PRODUCED. That's not energy flow, is energy produced.
ANd it's not a typo, because he wrote it many many times.
2011/10/8 Mauro Lacy
I can't afford to go to sleep any more. Too many messages on vortex
for me to keep up. I am way behind.
I had to add 0.8°C to the Tout in order to compensate for the bad
thermometer calibration. Here is the spreadsheet with the bias removed:
My dear friends,
i have tried to describe my opinion re the latest Rossi event here:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/10/seven-skinny-e-cats-eating-seven-fat.html
My thanks to all of you who have commented on these forums, first
of all to Horace Heffner who has got the essence and the
On Oct 8, 2011, at 7:14 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-10-08 01:28, Horace Heffner wrote:
The following is in regard to the Rossi 7 Oct E-cat experiment as
reported by NyTeknic here:
A knowledgeable user on italian discussion board
Energeticambiente.it made a few impressive charts
On 2011-10-08 20:41, Horace Heffner wrote:
I don't see any charts. What am I doing wrong? Is there a link there I
am missing?
You are not doing anything wrong. It looks you need to subscribe to that
discussion board to see the charts. I've put up a new link for everybody
to see them:
Do we know how they measured the temperature at the output of the primary?
The temperature variations at the secondary look very suspicious (not following
rhyme-nor-reason, and taken too infrequently to track trends).
Those measured temperatures of condensed steam, at the output of the primary,
I think the reason for easy confusion is that kWh is not a term that the lay
person normally deals with.
1 KWh, or 1 kilowatt-hour, does not indicate 1 kilowatt per hour, but
represents 1 kilowatt over a span of 1 hour.
Hence, 500 watts for two hours = 1 kWh.
The layperson inherently links kWh
As far as I'm aware, there were no measurements taken at the primary circuit's
exiting the heat exchanger (the steam condensate)... at least not during the
warming up period and self-sustain period. In Mats Lewan's report he did
measure the condensate coming out but it was well after the
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
.
I can't help but think back to the idea that it's not heat which
triggers the reaction, but rather an event which causes the molecules to
vibrate at a certain frequency. I think Znidarsic holds this view and,
if
The four thermocouples that I am aware of are:
Tin : Secondary circuit INPUT to external heat exchanger
Tout: Secondary circuit OUTPUT from external heat exchanger
T2 : Primary circuit OUTPUT (steam), thermocouple inserted
INSIDE E-Cat)
T3 :
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Yes of course that will convince everyone. I suppose that if Rossi could do
this, he would, since he says commercial success is the most important
metric.
He said he has used it to heat his office. He said this to Kullander and
Essen and they
Twice the output of the primary was measured. You won't see it in the
spreadsheets(because it was only measured twice).
Look in the .pdf file from NyTeknik:
At 18:57, the output of the primary of the heat exchanger was supposedly 23.8
degrees. Less than room temp, less than the input OR output
Am 08.10.2011 21:42, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de
wrote:
Yes of course that will convince everyone. I suppose that if
Rossi could do this, he would, since he says commercial success
is the most important metric.
He
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
i have tried to describe my opinion re the latest Rossi event here:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/10/seven-skinny-e-cats-eating-seven-fat.html
This says:
- the primary steam hot water circuit was open and this can mean that the
E-cats
Am 08.10.2011 21:59, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
i have tried to describe my opinion re the latest Rossi event here:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/10/seven-skinny-e-cats-eating-seven-fat.html
This says:
- the
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
I expect he did use it to heat an office. That does not mean he knows how
to do it again.
He has always given the impression, that he can.
I do not get that impression. He says he is trying to commercialize as soon
as possible. He says that is his
*Incrustation is a problem in this circuit.* DGT said they use organic heat
transfer agents in this closed circuit.
This is a problem of good control. (read please my previous
posting predicting the outcome of the Oct experiment.
I have NOT told thta the heat comes from some chemistry.
I think it
On Oct 7, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Horace, you were correct. I did error with the temperature (one
example how easy it is to jump into conclusions when you thought to
be certain, but actually reasoning was flawed). Temperature after
the heat exchanger was indeed
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
1. There is no evidence that Rossi could not recirculate the condensate if
he wanted to.
There is evidence that he did not want or he couldnt.
I wouldn't want to if I were him. It sounds like a pain in the butt with no
benefit.
Suppose for the
Hi Horace, 10-8-11
I don't understand the two attached captions
for your graph. Would you please put them in
plain text (ascii) for me?
Also, I would appreciate any explanation of the
graph you can give me.
Thanks, Jack Smith
inline: rossi106.jpginline: r2os106.jpg
Am 08.10.2011 22:18, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de
wrote:
I expect he did use it to heat an office. That does not mean he
knows how to do it again.
He has always given the impression, that he can.
I do not get that
Further, the fact the data is highly variable is an indication the
hot water arrives at the heat exchanger in slugs.
That's my take on it.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
A BRILLIANT OBSERVATION
The eCat's running in the same weird mode as Lewan/Sept ... at 120C 1 Bar (?)
50% fluid
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
The test was advertised to be 24 hours. Then it was advertised to be at
least 12 hours.
I believe it was the other way around. They said 12 hours, possibly to be
extended to 24.
Hidden power sources are not needed to explain the results. A
SA's link to that italian site (thanks!) shows the eCat stable between 110-120C
and the exchanger highly variable.
http://i.imgur.com/CPyVV.jpg
- Original Message -
Further, the fact the data is highly variable is an indication the
hot water arrives at the heat exchanger in slugs.
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
bending every effort to accomplish these goals. But I have never heard him
say he could be making commercially useful heaters now.
Then you do not listen what he says. Examples for this are overwhelming in
count and content.
One example: A
Harry Veeder wrote (my Zimbra web mail isn't putting in the sender name )
It is not outside the laws of conventional physics that some or all of
the initial input energy was converted to mass and temporarily stored
as mass.
Usually when we think of E=mc^2 we think of mass being converted
Am 08.10.2011 23:07, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
That's January 2012. Not now. This is still 2011. You are talking
about what he hopes to accomplish in the future. I am talking about
what he accomplished in the past, and what he can do now.
From october 2011 to january 2012 is much less time than
I pressed send before I finished writing a message. Anyway, I meant to say:
It does not matter how wrong the positioning may be, or how inaccurate or
imprecise the thermometers are. Inescapably, it would cool to room
temperature and all . . . would return to where they were when the test
began.
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Couldn't it be the simple explanation in that he's simply running the PWM
controller at a very low duty cycle?
It's not a pulse width modulator, it's a triac, a AC dimmer. Well
technically it does pulse the
This was shown in the video on the table. Lewan says this was a Termometro a
4 canali TM-947 SD.
4 canali evidently means you can attach up to 4 thermocouples.
http://www.bergamomisure.it/parametri-ambientali/termometri/termometro-datalogger-4-canali-tm-947-con-scheda-sd.html
- Jed
Heck, back in the Cro-Magnon era of computers, I used to have difficulty
making the same object code produce the same result twice in a row. That was
with computers, which were supposedly the most predictable, logic-based,
closed-universe devices around.
Yeah, the hardware was. But the
On Oct 8, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Taylor J. Smith wrote:
Hi Horace, 10-8-11
I don't understand the two attached captions
for your graph. Would you please put them in
plain text (ascii) for me?
Also, I would appreciate any explanation of the
graph you can give me.
Thanks, Jack
Gee ... so why the heck didn't they use the other two on the steam input and
output? - Original Message -
This was shown in the video on the table. Lewan says this was a
Termometro a 4 canali TM-947 SD.
4 canali evidently means you can attach up to 4 thermocouples.
- Jed
From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
- Reply message -
From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Rossi 6 Oct 2011 Spreadsheet without 0.8°C bias
Date: Sat, Oct 8, 2011 1:16 pm
As far as I'm aware,
On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This was shown in the video on the table. Lewan says this was a
Termometro a 4 canali TM-947 SD.
4 canali evidently means you can attach up to 4 thermocouples.
http://www.bergamomisure.it/parametri-ambientali/termometri/
lauantai, 8. lokakuuta 2011 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
kirjoitti:
A household sized ecat device is on market in january.
Even the costs are known: 2000$/kW
that $2000 / kW is not for household devices, but it is for megawatt scale
devices. For household devices cost is much much
Mats calibrated the thermometer and indeed he saw the 1 degree offset in
calibration. Temperature of icy water was measured 1.0°C. Therefore this
error is known.
—Jouni
sunnuntai, 9. lokakuuta 2011 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
kirjoitti:
On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Gee ... so why the heck didn't they use the other two on the steam input
and output?
And why the heck didn't they use the SD card to record and then publish all
data points?!? Instead of relying on Lewan to write down the temperature
from time to time.
Rossi
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This was shown in the video on the table. Lewan says this was a Termometro
a 4 canali TM-947 SD.
4 canali evidently means you can attach up to 4 thermocouples.
Jed,
Good points all but I think there has been a long standing
chemical component involved here ever since the day of Langmuir. There
appears to be a need for the hydrogen to go from monatomic to diatomic
states -maybe not the simple oscillation proposed with the atomic hydrogen
Hello Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net ,
Good to receive your warm, wry, alert comments --
like the smiling hanged man in the classic Rider Tarot deck,
hair hanging down, hands crossed behind his back,
suspended from a tree by a rope to one foot,
the other foot crossed over that
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Mats calibrated the thermometer and indeed he saw the 1 degree offset in
calibration. Temperature of icy water was measured 1.0°C. Therefore this
error is known.
I discussed that with him. I do not think that was a 1.0°C error. He was
seeing
Rich Murray wrote:
Anyway, Horace's painstaking and thorough critique, thoroughly vetted
and improved in candid discussions on Vortex-L, establishes that the
demo has not proved excess heat or heat after death.
This is surprising. I have spread Horace's (almost) brilliant critique to
all
On 10/08/2011 03:47 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-10-08 20:41, Horace Heffner wrote:
I don't see any charts. What am I doing wrong? Is there a link there I
am missing?
You are not doing anything wrong. It looks you need to subscribe to that
discussion board to see the charts.
Horace wrote:
Yet a higher than 100°C reading was present for the thermometer inside the
E-cat. That indicates a good possibility that this high reading is merely a
systematic false reading.
Horace,
The T2 thermometer (inside the E-Cat) started out at nearly the same temp as
the peristaltic pump
On Oct 8, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This was shown in the video on the table. Lewan says this was a
Termometro a 4 canali TM-947 SD.
4 canali evidently means you can attach up to 4
On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Horace wrote:
Yet a higher than 100°C reading was present for the thermometer
inside the
E-cat. That indicates a good possibility that this high reading is
merely a
systematic false reading.
Horace,
The T2 thermometer (inside the
Hi Rich,
Just a brief comment.
You said:
...I am mainly waiting for Rossi himself to come to his
senses, do a proper run to show to himself there is no
excess heat anomaly, and then promptly share this with
complete candor...
To be honest I currently don't feel I'm proficient enough with
Attached is a jpg of the fitting for the hot end of the Rossi heat
exchanger. The finger points to where the Tout themocouple was
located. The other side of this big brass fitting was the entry
point for the steam/water from the E-cat.
You can see white streak marks on the tape both
I saw it in the video, but this JPEG makes it even more obvious. Thanks for the
upload.
You've got 120+ degrees (allegedly) on one side, and a couple inches away less
than 30 degrees. A few degrees of heat transfer is lauded as conclusive,
irrefutable evidence of a multi-kilowatt cold fusion
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
Two thermocouples were used to measure the delta T. If one is off 1 degree
hot absolute and the other is off 1 degree cold absolute, then delta T is
off by 2°C, systematically.
Yes of course if they are both off by 1 degree that's 2. HOWEVER:
Hi Steven,
I am pleased and grateful to appreciate your sincere, frank, and wise
sharing --
I mean, like the hanged man, to wait happily, suspended helplessly
upside down in my daily dream, appreciating freedom not just patiently
but joyfully and securely, within unified awareness-being, for
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
I saw it in the video, but this JPEG makes it even more obvious. Thanks for
the upload.
You've got 120+ degrees (allegedly) on one side . . .
Why do you say allegedly? It was boiling in the cell. It has be over 100
deg C. Add some
Well, Jed,
I hope your're right about there being copious irrefutable evidence in
the July 8 demo for an excess heat anomaly -- in that case, we should
petition Rossi to immediately release the full details to world
authorities, so that the world community can commit to publicly
exploring a
Hello Jed,
I recall that Horace described evidence that slugs of hot water,
separated by steam, went directly from the exit of the reactor into
the heat exchanger right next to the output thermocouple of the heat
exchanger -- it is plausible that hot water could create the excess
heating of that
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
His [Rossi's]only goal is
to do a test quickly and conveniently that he himself finds convincing. He
does not care whether the observers have trouble understanding it. He never
listens to suggestions made by experts
Two more pictures of the thermocouple (from user agoz on 22passi blog)
http://www.redmatica.com/media/Thermo1.jpg
http://www.redmatica.com/media/Thermo2.jpg
Another user on 22passi (Mario Massa) computed that the thermocouple
in that position could give a reading as higher as 5 deg C more then
the
Thanks for posting those pics, Enzo...
Like I said yesterday at about this same time...
The Tout thermocouple being within an inch or two of the hot
steam flow into the heat exchanger does not sit well w/me...
Looks like the thermocouple was Less than 2 from the steam-half of the
exchanger
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