--- On Fri, 7/22/11, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Neutrons from Piezonuclear Reactions
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 12:45 PM
paper from Annales de la Fondation
Louis de Broglie,
Well yes. Utterly obvious to those of us who haven't adopted fear of climate
change as a religion substitute. This won't change the jumping up and down and
screaming of the true believers a whit. Don't confuse them with the facts and
please don't deprive them of their new inquisition. And the
Yea, verily and my thoughts exactly.
M.
--- On Tue, 4/6/10, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com
Subject: Inexpensive convincing Cold Fusion generated helium (was Re:
[Vo]:Krivit comments...)
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, April
I dunno, doesn't seem much different from your average verbiage in the typical
paper published in a scientific journal.
M.
--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
Subject: [Vo]:The Secret of Cold Fusion
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date:
I have read and re-read Franklin's Experiments and Observation on Electricity
for the absolutely astonishing brilliance of its analysis of electrical
phenomena. In it he floats the idea of the electrical fluid or PARTICLES
(emphasis mine), meaning that he anticipated the idea of the
This work is based on the assumption that there is no iron deposited in the
carbon soot. Years ago I did a number of experiments that convinced me that
carbon can be transmuted into iron in an electric arc. I am certainly not the
first person to observe this, but I did extensive testing on the
I wouldn't be too sure about that not working for net gain, Jones. What Mr.
Jaro has proposed is essentially the Langmuir atomic hydogen torch. Many are
convinced that the Langmuir torch is over-unity. However, I think it's obvious
that cavity containment is the way to go.M.
--- On Wed,
One presumes they mean hypothesis or perhaps theory. The term theorem does
not apply this idea. An attempt at such pedantic erroneous usage usually
qualifies the proponent as a fool.
--- On Mon, 6/11/12, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
--- On Thu, 6/21/12, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
Subject: [Vo]:Walking heads?
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, June 21, 2012, 12:55 PM
Amazing ... this is how natives moved
rather large statuary on Easter Island
And just think, hard working tax payers are paying this guy's salary.
M.
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on this principle, using some sort of cellulose flour made from garbage and
agricultural waste. Not likely, I guess.
M.
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Fred wrote:
Michael Foster asked if running Diesel engines on sugar-water or (gelatinized) corn
starch
had been tried?
I don't know
In California we have ethanol mixed with our gasoline in amounts which vary with the
seasons, supposedly to control smog. The average ethanol content in California
gasoline is 5.7%. That's a lot of ethanol for fuel already.
See:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/ethanol/
But let's quit fooling
That's pretty interesting Frederick. However, ammonia was made hundreds, if
not thousands of years before 1782. It used to be called spirits of hartshorn
and has been know in Celtic and Gothic Europe since prehistory. As its name
indicates it was made from deer antlers. Actually,it can be
I dunno, Bill. This guy's grizzly-proof suit and something called fire paste
seem to work. The weird suit in the background of the photo reminded me that
I'd seen this guy's stuff on the Discovery Channel, so I googled his name and
came up with:
Hi Robin,
I assume you mean potassium carbonate in an aqueous solution. If that is the case, you won't get any potassium metal at all. You need a molten non-aqueous potassium compound in order to do this, such as potassium chloride.
M.
--- On Thu 01/27, Robin van Spaandonk < [EMAIL
I hate to suggest this in an era of hyperhysteria about
toxic substances, but a mercury cathode would likely
do the trick here. You just have a shallow layer of
Hg at the bottom of your cell and make sure the wire
that passes through the electrolyte to the the Hg is
insulated. If you are
But Robin, that's exactly the point. Unless you reduce the potassium ions to
metal, at least temporarily, you will achieve no concentration of potassium
ions at the cathode any higher than that of the whole of the electrolyte.
Otherwise, as far as I can see, no manipulation of voltage,
Harry Veeder wrote:
I am not committed to big bang cosmology, but are there any non-big bang
theories which predict the observed 2.7K cosmic background radiation?
Harry
Actually, the prediction of the the big bang theory was a 25K background, but
what's a 20-odd K discrepancy between
This is an example of how a bunch of really quite intelligent people,
i.e., the people on this list, can launch off into something with
potentially disastrous results. What if the people on this list had
actual political power? What if they could implement this project on
a global scale, all
Kinda wandered off the subject here, haven't we?
M.
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This whole thing sounds fishy. First of all, the patent was assigned
to the U.S. government and never belonged to this fellow. Second, the
patent expired long ago and is in the public domain. Also, the
patent mentions *near* superconductivity. So why would he be
demanding big bucks and be
At 5:35 PM 2/7/5, Jones Beene wrote:
This is naive. Trade secrets are routinely withheld. I
have never seen a patent successfully challenged for
withholding a trade secret, although it is definitely
in the wording of the patent law. I suspect most
patents withhold many secrets. It is just way
I like it. In fact, I like almost anything better than
that policy wonk's paradise, the hydrogen economy.
M.
=
--- On Sat 02/12, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Jones Beene [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
I find it particularly disturbing whenever I read something like
this:
Our own Fed chairman, guardian of the nation's money...custodian
of its economy...night watchman of its wealth...
How could he do such a thing? And yet he has done it. He turned a
financial bubble into an economic
I think one of the best arguments in favor of the
cryo-fuel idea is that it's evolutionary. All of
the processes are known and only need to be scaled
up and made more efficient. Storage and transport
would automatically be more efficient on a larger
scale.
Although oil companies wouldn't be
--- On Wed 02/16, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Had gasoline prices been this high a decade ago, we would
probably already have liquid-air hybrids on the road today,
but not with the cryo-air produced aboard the vehicle
itself- that is very wasteful. A Dewar tank is sufficient
--- On Thu 02/24, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Clouds of antimony trichloride are given off at the same time.
Hence the term Explosive Antimony is given to a solid solution( 4 to 12
percent )of the trihalide in alpha-antimony.
The heat of combustion of H2 + 1/2 O2 is 54,000
This is hardly surprising since the whole field of
anthropology has mostly been a major fraud. The
shining saints of anthropology, Boaz and Mead, have
had their entire works exposed as fraudulent.
Margaret Mead really established the tone of
anthropological study with her major work, Coming
of
Jed Wrote:
Nonsense. Some of my best friends are anthropologists.
So are mine. They're the ones who told me about the Maya.
I've read Coming of Age in Samoa and it describes behavior
that the Samoans themselves were very upset about. This
was not a language problem or a cultural disconnect,
Jed wrote:
Because he said he will probably retire. He is giving up.
He has been trying for years to get funding. He even
thought of going to China. I shot back an answer saying
Wait! I will do my best to help. The other readers here
should pitch in, and tell Mel Miles you stand with him.
--- On Sat 03/05, Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It appears the job of converting to renewable energy can be accomplished
starting now, especially where long trades are not required. The capital
cost will ultimately be on the order of 90,000 trillion dollars, but
invested over
--- On Sun 03/06, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Imagine how the average German citizen would react if they
were to learn that - in the tens of billions of euros which
they send to Russia for the purchase of natural gas (being a
rather anti-nuclear country), that some of that gas
--- On Wed 03/09, leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
wow. youve got good gas prices. im in az. its 2.00 right now,
expected to peak at 3.00
im sure the people in europe already paying about 5.00 a gallon
hearts' bleed for us...
Now let's review. The evil Big Oil Petrocracy has
--- On Thu 03/17, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FOUR years ago, a particle accelerator in France detected six particles
called tetraneutrons : four neutrons that are bound together in a
way that defies the laws of physics, and should not exist.
Francisco Miguel Marquès and
--- On Wed 03/23, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
T. H. Huxley quote:
I have said that the man of science is the sworn interpreter of
nature inthe high court of reason. But of what avail is his honest
speech, if ignorance is the assessor of the judge, and prejudice
the foreman
Wouldn't such a quickly chargeable battery be
able to store much more energy from regenerative
braking than is currently possible?
M.
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Ok, Vorts... Since this list has disintegrated into an over the back
fence discussion group concerning theology and things that go
bump in the night, here's one you might find interesting. I often
become the Invisible Man. No, really.
When Bill posted that bit about the disappearing coffee
--- On Sun 04/17, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For that matter, Microsoft Narrator is already loaded on many operating
systems. See:
Start = Programs = Accessories = Accessibility = Narrator
Yes, but it doesn't highlight the individual words which would seem
to be a
--- On Wed 04/20, Keith Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thought this might be of interest to the group,
OAK RIDGE, Tenn., April 19, 2005 Zhiyu Hu believes
it is possible to match nature's highly efficient method
to convert chemicals into thermal energy at room temperature,
and he
I wrote:
And in terms of any advantages over plain old combustion, Jed,
this could lead to a low-temp fuel cell. Also, for uses where
high temperatures are not required the lack of a flame would
substantially reduce or eliminate NOx.
Oops, I meant Jones. Sorry.
M.
are
not missing anything.
K.
-Original Message-
From: Michael Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:02 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: Times: Tabletop Fusion
Am I missing something? What is the advantage of
using the pyroelectric crystal as a high
What brand is the vac? I gotta try this. BTW, charged
powder van de Graaff generators have been built, but
they were kind of a mess and didn't work too well.
M.
--- On Sat 04/30, leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hey all, i thought id share something interesting ive notice. ive
I wouldn't be so depressed if I were you. There are plenty of us
out there doing CF research with very encouraging results who are
just not publishing anything until the patent situation changes.
I wish everyone would give up on the electrolysis work. I think
it's just an interesting dead end.
But isn't this effect more closely related to Brown-Biefeld;
or am I missing something?
M.
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Somewhere on Bill's endlessly large website is an
experiment showing that exposure to a magnetic field
increases the viscosity of water. This is such an
easy thing to test that I tried it. It really works.
At first I thought that this is mysterious and inexplicable.
Then it occurred to me that
Hello Fred,
Unless I'm missing something, the setup you describe is a self-charging
assymetrical capacitor, an electric dipole. The end of the dipole closest
to the earth will be more strongly attracted to it, resulting in an apparent
weight gain. The long separation between the Van de Graaff
Jed wrote:
(Coconut) shells are:
Lignin 36%
Cellulose 53%
That's 89%. What else?
Likely some higher molecular weight insoluble polyphenols and maybe
some traces of amino acids. The soluble polyphenols are in the
oil, I believe.
Charcoal from various plants probably has different
Fred wrote:
It seems that there is a substantial difference between the Earth's
net negative charge (~ 500,000 C) and it's surface charge (`26,000 C).
It seems to me that even though the earth's total negative charge at the
surface might sound impressively large, the local field strength
What I find most fascinating about the Hall of Mirrors Universe
idea is not its mathematical or physical validity. I don't find
myself qualified to comment on this. What's most interesting to
me is that all the references to this concept, of which there are
many on the internet, call a soccer
Harry Veeder wrote:
I've heard it said that a rise in the demand for
energy is a prerequisite for a rise in incomes.
Yes, but the rise in incomes will happen in India,
China, and the oil-rich middle east. Of course,
maybe we'll wise up in the U.S. and Europe and really
pursue seriously
Mike Carrell wrote:
There is a misunderstanding of the nature of DLP technology. The active
element is an array of tiny mirrors created by silicon machining techniques,
one for each pixel. Each mirror can be tilted by a small angle under control
from a TV signal. That tilt determines
If it smelled like methyl mercaptan, it probably was
methyl mercaptan. It's added to natural gas to make
it stink, as a safety measure. Consequently, most
people associate the odor with a gas leak. The smell
of swamp gas from permafrost, while disagreeable, does
not resemble methyl mercaptan,
I'm trying to figure out how a couple of guys who are clearly
better educated, and probably a lot smarter than I, can have
gone so far wrong.
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Frederick Sparber wrote:
Posted earlier:
This Field Line Applet is cheaper than buying more VDGs.
I wrote:
There is a fundamental problem with this idea. While the earth
has a net negative charge of say, one megajoule, the tiny
fraction of a joule per square meter just won't supply the
repulsive force you need unless your Van de Graaff spacecraft
is very large and already elevated.
Stephen A Lawrence wrote:
You've said two different things here: the strength of the
field will drop, and the voltage drops. The dielectric will
_certainly_ affect the voltage, just as interposing a charged
parallel plate capacitor would affect the voltage (which would
reduce it by the
Jed wrote:
In December 2006, Boeing-Spectrolab announced a 40.7% efficient cell
that costs $3,000 per kW of capacity. That's remarkable. I did not
know these things were so advanced. See:
http://www.energy.gov/news/4503.htm
Yes, but these are not just the flat panel type photovoltaics
we
Here is a concise description of the amount of solar radiation
received by the earth from the sun. These are figures most vorts
are probably familiar with.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/nielsens/solrad.html
A short quote from this site:
The energy intercepted by the Earth over a period of one
Jones wrote:
I have often wondered about using the massive cooling towers of nuclear
power plants to move large amounts of electric charge a few hundred feet
apart, which requires work - (which is essentially 'free' due to the
buoyancy of waste heat in the water vapor).
By collecting
Jones wrote:
... and is D2 such a hot potato, so to speak, that it
has changed hands more times than a Christmas Fruitcake ?
I gotta hand it to you, Jones. Those are most aggressively
mixed metaphors I've seen in years; and both food, too!
M.
Check this out. Scientists have discovered wireless transmission
of power in the home. Don't suppose they'll give poor ol' Tesla
any credit.
http://tinyurl.com/3e4c6b
M.
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Oh, here's another one, where they actually mention Tesla
but claim he only attempted it. I guess they don't know
he used to light up his whole lab this way. This sort of
thing never ceases to amaze me.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070607/ap_on_hi_te/wireless_power
M.
From the Britannica article:
Electrolysis of molten sodium chloride
yields metallic sodium and chlorine gas; that of a strong solution of sodium
chloride in water (brine) yields hydrogen gas, chlorine gas, and sodium
hydroxide (in solution); and that of water (with a low concentration of
Michel wrote:
Indeed a primary with an open secondary behaves
like a pure inductor, so it's a purely reactive
load, so current in it can be made to oscillate
non dissipatively (assuming resistance of the
coil is negligible). In terms of transformer it
makes perfect sense. But in terms
Jeff Fink wrote:
So, why cant people living within a few hundred feet
of high voltage transmission lines tap useful free
power with a 60 Hz receiver circuit?
They can and have. You don't see it anymore, but I
used to read of the occasional farmer caught at this
sort of thing, usually
William Beaty wrote:
Antique Simplex Shoe Fitting X-Ray Machine 1930's-40's
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=220118855684
Collectors pay big bucks for these! But you'll have to drive to Kansas
to pick it up.
Likely the three or four thousand dollar price is less than new,
Harry Veeder wrote:
A sound way to turn heat into electricity
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=15401
University of Utah physicist Orest Symko holds a match to a small heat
engine that produces a high-pitched tone by converting heat into sound.
Symko's research team is
Kyle, everyone else on the list has already expressed better
than I, our sympathies for your situation. I can only add
one more ray of hope toward your eventual spiritual recovery.
Good luck to you.
Michael
It seems that no one wants to focus on why all these problems
are happening, other than laziness and a temporary overabundance
of everything. U.S. manufacturing has been punished from every
sector of our nation and culture. Rampant technophobia has infected
both common discourse and education.
Jones wrote:
Unless you tried a number of liquids to arrive at that conclusion (Kerr
constant) it would seem not to be justified by just comparing nitrobenzene,
which is very reactive -- with water, which is not very reactive.
The more likely explanation IMHO would involve sonochemistry
Terry Blanton wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
That structure with turbine is easily adapted to driving
an underwater pump
for water lifts for irrigation.
Yes.
I am working on a public demonstration of a high efficiency motor
whose torque/load relationship must remain constant. I have
Jed wrote:
Michael Foster wrote:
The heat was detected from the outside of the aluminum tubing, so I'm
not sure that the specific heat of the liquid itself is a factor here.
OTOH, I'm a pretty fair inventor, but a rotten scientist. The heat was
measured in terms of hotter than hell
Nick Palmer wrote:
P.S. When I referenced Alice through the Looking Glass originally I stated
that it was the Red Queen who claimed that words mean etc. I was wrong, it
was Humpty Dumpty. I would have welcomed correction...
That's OK, Nick. I just misspelled leisurely and no one corrected
I really like the straightforward descriptions by the builder of the Bedini and
the magnet motor. He said point-blank that his Bedini was 53% efficient. If
you listen carefully, the interviewer asks him if the magnet motor will keep
running by itself and he says uh-uh.
I suspect the magnet
Well it might be that O/U researchers occasionally occupy a parallel universe,
but some might just have a very loose acquaintance with the concept of truth.
You guys have no idea how deep into the Twilight an individual can penetrate,
even if he doesn't want to or has no idea what is causing
I wrote:
Virtually all of these things are somehow conventionably
explainable. But still, it makes you sort of ponder.
Conventionably? I guess my brain became temporarily involved
in a parallel universe where conventionally has turned into
whatever that word must mean.
M.
A while back I posed the question if burning corn, or any other
food crop is immoral.
Check this out:
http://tinyurl.com/24gqmk
Here we see immediate results of corn crops being diverted to
make ethanol fuel and its effect on the ice cream business. Now
obviously, no one is going to starve to
Interesting article, Michel. But this is the part that
attracted my attention.
There is plenty of intellectual firepower in the U.S., said Prashant V.
Kamat, an expert in the chemistry of solar cells at the University of Notre
Dame, who has some Energy Department financing. But there is
--- Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lost amidst the Steorn recriminations:
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Magnetic_Motor.pdf
From China, with love - or more self-delusion?
Awkshully, this one makes some sense. Time will tell.
It is tough for a dedicated punster not to have
Check this out:
http://tinyurl.com/25h7cb
Here we have an experiment that has been done by several
groups, but they usually claim some esoteric excuse as to
why it's not really violating Einstein's theory.
This group has finally just come out and said that it's
FTL. Maybe they'll be
--- Michael Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Check this out:
http://tinyurl.com/25h7cb
Here we have an experiment that has been done by several
groups, but they usually claim some esoteric excuse as to
why it's not really violating Einstein's theory.
This group has finally just come
--- Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is surprising that lead is a powerful electron donor, as powerful
as cat fur:
http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/static_materials.htm
Also noted as a weak donor is aluminum.
This seems somewhat consistent with the electron
--- Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Theft in Paris?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070912/ap_on_re_eu/shrinking_kilogram;_ylt=A0WTcUqtguhGTH8AhRms0NUE
http://snipurl.com/1qtfk
By JAMEY KEATEN, Associated Press Writer
Wed Sep 12, 1:00 PM ET
PARIS - A kilogram just isn't what it
It's hard to see how any of the CIGS photovoltaic systems can succeed. Their
cost projections were based on the price of indium when they first formed their
companies. The demand for indium, in the form of indium tin oxide (ITO), used
as the transparent conductor in flat panel displays, grows
--- Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8nDdPM_Qk*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8nDdPM_Qk
County Roads doesn't quite cover Al's itinerary these days. The right John
Denver song for him would be I'm Leaving on Gulfstream. It would be one of
those
I hope they succeed at what they are doing. I am concerned that I cannot find
how much indium and gallium they use either per square meter or per watt. The
price of both of these elements is rising geometrically. Since they are
byproducts of other metal refining, there is no way to increase
--- Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Our good friend Greg Watson of SMOT fame has beat you to the punch:
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au/
Word is that he is making $$A.
Terry
Hardly. Watson is using conventional compression molded acrylic fresnel lenses.
The high tensile
Hi Fred,
Did I miss out on a previous discussion of this? Aren't all muons negative and
why would a metastable one exist in an oxygen atom? Presumably the muon would
be in place of an electron, but why would that allow forcing a proton into the
oxygen's electron cloud, except for the muon's
Yes, Richard, it's appropriate that you should call this voodoo economics,
because that's what it is. That's as opposed to the time that George H.W. Bush
called the Laffer curve by that name. Arthur Laffer was completely correct and
there are thousands of years of history going back to Hamarabi
Here's an interesting article concerning rare elements and the world economy.
http://www.science.org.au/nova/newscientist/027ns_005.htm
An excerpt:
=
Armin Reller, a materials chemist at the University of Augsburg in Germany,
and his colleagues are among the
I really hate to jump in on such a subject that is so
far off topic, but this is something that has bugged
me for years. I really don't understand what the
argument is about. I'm not religious, nor am I much
of an atheist (requires too much faith in the unknown).
As God works in mysterious
While it might be true that we need new engines for most of the
new fuels, butanol can be used in gasoline engines with little
or no modification, making Jones' idea doubly useful.
--- R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(snip)
In this admosphere and culture, don't expect results. Expect
I read where Marion Cotillard is a believer in the 9/11 conspiracy theory.
It's important that those with the crediblity to do so express their insights
publicly. The sheer mental force brought by such a well-known French intellect
is probably more convincing close up. I suspect even a common
--- R C Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since Cotillard is an intellectual perhaps he can explain in simple language
why he believes in a 9/11 conspiracy. Where are they hiding the
passengers?
While on the subject.. who the heck is they. How does one gain
sufficent credibility
Hello Richard,
I have no idea what's out there commercially, but here's how I would do it.
There are high power, medium pressure argon-mercury UV lamps available
commercially with quartz tube walls. One of these could be placed next to a
quartz tube through which the water is pumped. A sparge
It is said that the head of the U.S. Patent Office wanted it closed in 1845,
because everything significant had already been invented. I'm not sure if
that's really true, but I have another reason for wanting it closed.
Here is a good example.
Yep, it's required reading at my house now.
--- William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a biology book I'm going to buy: Cells, Gels, and the Engines of
Life by G. Pollack, a researcher here at UW Bioengineering. Someone at
work was talking about this book having heretical
--- William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if the structure is easy to detect. For example, if you shine
a red laser through ultra-pure water, you can see the beam, since it's
scattered by nano-crystallites which are part of water's short-range
structure. Polarizing the water
the impression that a
patent gives the imprimatur of credibility, which is why, I suppose this
expensive joke is allow to continue.
M.
--- Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michael Foster wrote:
It is said that the head of the U.S. Patent Office wanted it closed in 1845,
because everything
--- On Wed, 4/2/08, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not sure efficiency is the main concern.
If the comparative cost of the oil produced is close but
acceptable, and the dollars stay at home instead of going
into the hands of our enemies: Saudi Arabia in particular,
then we are
That's a very informative analysis, Richard. Thanks.
--- On Wed, 4/2/08, R C Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: R C Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [VO]: OT: Numbers and cucumbers
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 7:54 PM
Howdy Vorts,
Ever get the feeling
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