[Wikimedia-l] Re: Joint Statement on Palestine

[geni]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 17:45, Shaba 50  wrote:
>
> Greetings Farah and fellow Wikimedians,
>
> I am writing to express my support for the Joint Statement on Palestine. I am 
> deeply concerned about the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine and believe 
> that Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers should unite in 
> solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to 
> halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage.

Whats special about this conflict? The second Darfur genocide is
ongoing but you aren't making demands about that. The recent ethnic
cleansing in Nagorno-Karabakh was hardly a good thing and yet you
remain silent. While I'm not upset of the outcome of the recent
fighting around Myawaddy are you not concerned about the loss of life
and destruction of cultural heritage in the area?

> I also urge the WMF to take proactive measures to ensure the safety of 
> volunteers,

The WMF is not an oil company. It does not have merceneries on call
and nor should it.





-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/PEN3NV2I76CAMR7JESGEAGV7RM3AXYGR/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[geni]

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 at 05:07, Samuel Klein  wrote:

> ?   Many creators say they are glad to relicense their existing fantastic 
> work, but don't have time/will to overcome the current obstacles to such 
> reuse that they have to [personally] overcome for each video.  So we only get 
> bulk contributions, through a third-party who is familiar with the wikis, 
> once in a while...  a modest homegrown example: depthsofwiki has a range of 
> great short videos that are partly educational and mainly inspiring to delve 
> into the wikis and learn things. I suspect none of them are on Commons 
> despite obvious relevance to the movement for outreach, illustration, and the 
> like.


I suspect we are dealing with Stated vs. Revealed Preferences. Saying
no to wikipedia has more of a social cost than talking about technical
issues. Converting to something wikipedia will accept is fairly
straightforward. Handbrake has a GUI and pops up in creator workflows
as a convient way to compress B-roll. Uploading presents more of a
challange than most areas but that would be because we care more about
copyright than most so probably unavoidable,



-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/N66SBYP4BT6YWJQEJK5PKKYAZTUPYQTD/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[geni]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 at 22:24, Ivan Martínez  wrote:
> By not having a Youtube 2.0 we are avoiding a Wikipedia 2.0 with pure 
> encyclopaedic videos. I see a false dilemma there.


Creating good encyclopaedic videos is from a video production point of
view a far harder problem that dealing with the technical hurdles in
uploading video to commons. Going to take a lot of effort in
scripting, shooting, lighting and editing. And having your editor of
choice render the final project in a wikipedia friendly format should
not present a problem (and if it does handbrake exists).

I really doubt we will ever get much in the way of encyclopaedic
videos on our platforms since they take so much time and cost so much
to make that they are only viable at scale from people who can do it
at as a full time job. Youtubers find ways to do that through adsense,
sponsor spots and Patreon. Not really something you can do on
wikipedia.


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/F7HLTFUUFIW2MI3XH3UQO2TNHAKZITNS/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[geni]

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 07:00, Gnangarra  wrote:
> Simple mp4 upload option would be a starting point, surely we are big enough 
> for any copyright holders to donate the licensing if wmf comes made a request
>

No. There are still members of the MP4 patent pool who expect that at
some point they will make a lot of money off it.

-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/R6OSNWH57OCQCJT3DUMEQASR4PI4CUXJ/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Arabic Wikipedia day of action

[geni]

On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 at 01:18, Farah Jack Mustaklem  wrote:
> Arabic Wikipedia editors have agreed to hold a day of action to highlight the 
> plight of the Palestinian people and to call for peace. At 00:00 UTC on the 
> 23rd of December, the Arabic Wikipedia "went dark", meaning that Wikipedia 
> will not be editable for 24 hours. Wikipedia remains accessible for reading, 
> though.

Except it also forcibly logs out anyone visiting the site which since
we have SUL is not acceptable behavoir


> This action stems from the community's sense of moral duty to combat 
> injustice. Wikipedia communities have previously stood up for human rights 
> such as by protesting legal travesties like SOPA and PIPA or by showing 
> solidarity with Ukrainians following Russia's invasion of their country.


And did Ar.wikipedia do the same for ukraine?


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/6D4TQAHN3LP354FAWRMXI2NSP3OERSI3/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Osama and Ziyad

[geni]

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 at 14:07, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
> Is anyone at the WMF doing anything in support of the two jailed Saudi 
> Wikimedians, be it liaising with international or regional human rights 
> organisations, the US State Department, briefing journalists so the wider 
> public is aware of the situation, or anything else to make sure Osama and 
> Ziyad aren't forgotten about as they start (by my calculation) their fourth 
> year in jail?

Given Mohammed bin Salman current apparent attitude towards the US
none of those can reasonably be considered "anything in support ".
Realisticaly the only things likely to have any impact would be
sactions (non viable due to wider issues with global oil suppliers) or
rather a lot of violence (which has some very obvious downsides). The
upshot is that US goverment has very little ability to do anything
(even if it wanted to) and the foundation not at all.



-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/G4RMLL6MFBKJR6N7I45R4UFBG2HMI2OI/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Mozilla's social media pledge

[geni]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 at 22:31, Erik Moeller  wrote:
> These events, and Musk's capricious leadership, should be sufficient
> to make _any_ civil society organization begin to establish a presence
> elsewhere,

It has:

https://diff.wikimedia.org/

Mastodon is relivant for organisations that want or need to keep
tweeting and its nor clear that either apply to the WMF.

-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/EM6H6M2J35UZGQ2FHZKF2GL2TI4UEWL7/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

[geni]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 02:57, Ramzy Muliawan  wrote:
> I fail to see how *not* widely publishing the Human Rights Policy can help 
> better protect the human rights of Wikimedians,

Because it avoids making the project an explicty activist one in that area.

>particularly when we are now looking at the dire and rapidly declining 
>protection of the freedom of expression globally.

Irrelivant unless the foundation has the strenght to enforce the
policy. Which it does not.

> We can debate how the implementation of this policy should look like,

How would that help with anything?

>but suggesting that it directly contribute making current situation worse is a 
>pretty disingenous take.

And that would be a strawman.
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/3TEVK6P7RAXUNJUIPNGO2C74OAUWDUZV/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

[geni]

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 15:11, Amir Sarabadani  wrote:
>
> So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy, the user would 
> have not been arrested?

The policy is not worth the paper its writen on so if it in any way
makes things worse its a problem

>Similar to the "fact" that no Wikipedian has been arrested before the 
>inception of the policy?

The Pierre-sur-Haute thing? Not sure the foundation managed much there either.


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZDFXAXPR3OP76CO3YZMRMVOXD7VN4P4D/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

[geni]

On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 at 23:12, Uwe Herzke  wrote:
>
> This should be '''The''' Community wishlist, one for the whole bunch of devs 
> that are supposed to be working for us editors.
> Ther is up to now no option to make any wishes to all those myriads of devs, 
> whose workforce is wasted on such useless and unwanted pet-projects like FLOW

Flow or more general userfriendly talk pages has been something people
wanted since 2004. The problem the foundation ran into is that post
2004 talk pages camed to be used for more than just debate.

 >or ReBrand

Doesn't take dev time. I may disagree with it but its not a dev timesink.

> or whatever, instead of doing the main thing they are supposed to do: Held 
> the editors get the projects working and maintaining the software.

Eh readers matter. Thats why all the work that goes into mobile. The
conflict between the ideal mediawiki for editors vs the ideal one for
readers is an ongoing issue.

> They survey should lead to a bucket list of items, that need to be fixed 
> before any new pet-project by any new C-level non-editor gets any ressources 
> allocated.

The problem is deciding the difference between a "pet-project" and
things that are needed but the editing community hasn't noticed.


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/4A5PLTQV73YMB5OWH44OPNIEMDFVFJST/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

[geni]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 06:13, Gnangarra  wrote:
> We found work arounds mostly by paying for 3rd commercial software to do the 
> conversion to webm then hoping uploadwizard would work.


HandBrake can transcode dirrect to WebM these days.

-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/RP3VDKM47XSRZDXVGJ3XELD7GTIY5CE6/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Approval of Human Rights Policy

[geni]

On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 at 00:29,  wrote:
> As I stated in the conversation hour [2], the Foundation urgently needs such 
> a policy in order to meet our responsibility to protect members of our 
> community from real, growing threats in the world. More governments are 
> increasingly aggressive about trying to control and manipulate information 
> spaces, including Wikimedia projects, and to threaten people who act to share 
> knowledge, and govern free knowledge projects independently of their 
> governments’ requirements. At the same time, as the Foundation globalizes and 
> as the Movement works actively to increase participation across the world, a 
> growing percentage of people who we are bringing into the projects are living 
> in places where contributing to free knowledge projects is more difficult or 
> dangerous than it is for people in North America or Western Europe or other 
> places where the projects have the largest number of long-time volunteers. 
> For this among other reasons, we believe it is urgent to have a policy that 
> clearly articulates the Foundation’s responsibility to actively work to 
> understand how our platforms and operations affect the rights of everyone who 
> interacts with the projects, how we will work to mitigate threats and harms 
> to members of the movement, and how we will work with people across the 
> Movement to implement these policies over the coming years. We don’t believe 
> that our responsibility to respect, protect and promote human rights is up 
> for negotiation.

You and who's army? If one of the world's more questionable
governments decides to target Wikipedians within its territory there's
not a thing you can do about about it. You’re not France. You can’t
threaten governments into submission (and if one of the most powerful
states on earth can’t get Zara Radcliffe out you certainly can’t).

You’re not a mineral extraction company. You don’t have mercenaries on
retainer to try and get your people out.

You policy is worse than useless. It doesn’t help at all but
marginally increases the risk of being involved with Wikipedia as what
can be seen as a harmless hobby writing about trains turns into being
involved with a human rights campaigning organisation.





--
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/OCIVZYBFP3EHCMQRLJTTUZ5AELJ5PSED/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Auction at Christie's

[geni]

On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 at 14:30, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
> According to its certificate of incorporation, available in the filing 
> history, the "Jimmy Wales Foundation" is a "private company limited by 
> guarantee". This is quite different from the sort of charitable foundation 
> the Wikimedia Foundation is.

The WMF is a 501(c)(3) organization a concept that doesn't really
exist under UK law (registered charity is rather narrower). If you
wanted to create a rough 501(c)(3) analogue under uk law (although
differences in tax law mean its going to be very rough) then your
options would be a Community Interest Company (but that results in a
much tighter restriction on political activities than  501(c)(3) see
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2005/1788/part/2/made ) or a
private company limited by guarantee.

Since this discussion of UK company law is largely irrelivant to
foundation issues I suggest there is little point in continuing things
on this mailing list.


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/NQFWVCCOVXJMXJMRCAV6HNQINXO7V4LU/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

[geni]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 16:38, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
 wrote:
> Upload MP4 files

Try Handbrake.

> Have a modern look

That would be the mobile site.

> Create visually interesting cartography

I think open street map got there first.

> Hear the articles

Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the
best use of our resources.
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/D2T3HHIKEOLB3TBTF2MOKJB4KHL34JBE/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

[geni]

On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 19:57, Tito Dutta  wrote:
>
> Indeed, the lack or modernisation of the web interface, and lack of an 
> improved Android/iPhone (or simply "smartphone") editing app[1] are possibly 
> some of the major areas to focus.
>
> If the "next billion internet users", a term we often used to use are not 
> getting involved as much as we expected, possibly "interface" is one reason 
> behind it.
>
> [1] I am aware of the currently available apps.

2021 design trends are about lraving large amounts of space for ads
while using dark patturns to get the user to give up as much privacy
as possible.  They are almost entirely aimed at phone and tablet users
(too many of the desktop scum have ad blockers these days) who
interact through a touch screen. A website designed around letting
users get things done using a mouse and keyboard is going to look very
different yes.


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/VWIV7S7WNEBXHFIKX77S5ZMIM2ULBQZX/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Conflict of Interest - Transition from Trustee to Staff

[geni]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 23:39, F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l
 wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have been reading and closely following this and many other similar topics 
> for a long time. I am sorry to say that for me, organising a concept like an 
> "Office Hour" and doing so via Youtube for a concern of these dimensions 
> (that affects the whole reputation of the movement), is not "remedied and 
> learned from both quickly and openly". B


Hmm for those who don't have 1:03 to burn the highlights were:

Consulted 30 people. Wasn't aware of affiliate standards. Still not
decided what to do. Should be deciding what to do in the next few
days.

The main defence for it not being a COI was that the budget presented
to the board isn't detailed enough for the board to be aware that the
position would exist.

In terms of the offered contract renumaration was based on market
comprability and simular WMF contacts. Contract is 0-40 hours which
could mean anything.

Plan to consult an aditional lawyer in future but given that 30 people
were already consulted I'm not sure how that is meant to help.

Less related is that there is a new budget format coming up and
they've got as far as CEO candidates

-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
Public archives at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/IUT3BVQP745ZRVALSDJPVADTPEP2M6CO/
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Sharing more details about the Equity Fund

[geni]

On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 at 18:15, Lisa Gruwell  wrote:

> We are currently working to identify the first grant recipients for the
> Equity Fund.  The Meta page for the Equity Fund [4] includes more
> information (the members of the Equity Fund Committee, the five specific
> focus areas we will be investing in) and next steps.
>

For those who want to jump straight to what the foundation plans to spend
the money on:


   1. Supporting scholarship & advocacy focused on free knowledge and
   racial equity
   2. Supporting media and journalism efforts focused on people of color
   around the world, in order to expand reliable media sources covering these
   communities
   3. Addressing unequal internet access
   4. Improving digital literacy skills that impede access to knowledge
   5. Investing in non-traditional records of knowledge (i.e. oral
   histories)


1 is vauge and a lot depends on the balance between the two. As far as 2
goes funding journalism is bit of a departure from our standard pratices
and contains significant risks. 3 isn't really viable at our kind of
funding levels and has significant enviromental concerns. 4 Again not
really viable at our funding levels (also english language lessions would
have more impact). 5 runs into the issue that the community has not
historicaly proven accepting of attempts to lower RS and notability
standards for non western areas.



-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bylaws amendments and upcoming call for feedback

[geni]

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 17:15, María Sefidari  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> The Board has discussed and approved some governance improvements in two
> recent meetings, on December 9 and January 8. As the governing body for the
> Wikimedia Foundation, we want to improve our capacity, performance, and
> representation of the movement’s diversity. We have amended the Bylaws in
> support of that goal. Please check the details in the announcement
> published on Meta and on the Diff blog:
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/January_2021_-_Approval_of_Bylaws_amendments_and_upcoming_call_for_feedback_about_the_selection_of_new_trustees
>
>
> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2021/01/21/approval-of-bylaws-amendments-and-upcoming-call-for-feedback-about-the-selection-of-new-trustees/
>
> Kind regards,
>
> María
>
>


+450 staff organization. Is perhaps this the point where we consider if the
organisation has outgrown its volenteer base to the extent that its a
problem. The english wikipedia only has 497 active admins.

-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

[geni]

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 05:12, Gnangarra  wrote:
> Personally I think WLE, WLM need bigger budgets all round with sponsors
> from retail outlets offering photography prizes and WMF & Affiliates
> offering the primary prize that lets people buy gear like cameras and lenses
>


The size of those contests means the average content has little chance
of winning. On top of that phones are in most cases good enough.
Attempts to throw money at the problem haven't been that effective.
Wikimedia UK has equipment for loan but use levels vary. Providing
tickets to things has some success but again rather mixed. Ultimately
you tend to run into the problem that wikipedia editing tends to be a
solo activity and most people don't want to deal with formal links to
organisations.

Geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

[geni]

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 08:33, Fæ  wrote:
> A "share" link on image pages would go a long way to fixing this. If
> folks on instagram, flickr etc. got used to seeing nice images with
> links back to Commons, we might expect 1% to 4% of those readers to
> follow the link back to the source, so if a few go viral, that might
> actually attract a few high quality photographers.


Pretty sure the most common license terms would breach the upload
conditions of one or both of those sites. The problem is that most
websites ask for a non exclusive license to whatever they want want
with an image without giving credit which pretty much limits you to PD
or MIT

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

[geni]

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 04:05, Benjamin Ikuta  wrote:
> Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why people 
> don't contribute more broadly?

Perhaps although similar research with regards to wikipedia has never
produced particularly useful results.



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ¿Qué te está haciendo feliz esta semana? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 1 March 2020)

[geni]

On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 08:34, Pine W  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> * Preface *
>
> "What's making you happy this week

Smithsonian image release mostly

https://www.si.edu

So not only does it include a lot of interesting images (and less
interesting images of plants) but also 3D scans of things like the
apollo 11 command module. Which yes we now have a copy of:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apollo_command_module_smithsonian_high_detail.stl


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

[geni]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 00:50, Pine W  wrote:
>
> There are ways that Wikimedia rebranding consultations could be done
> collaboratively, politely, and with careful stewardship of donor's money.
> This is not one of them.

Eh questionable. The community is difficult to engage at the best of
times and tends to be reflexively conservative about such things. It
may well be that it is impossible to get any meaningful agreement on
rebranding.

> I think that it's time for some people in WMF to move on.

This kind of thing has happened from time to time despite significant
staff turnover over the years. Probably just a natural function of
certain organisations. All we can really do is try and limit the
damage.

>but I've had enough of poor coordination,

Unavoidable from time to time since there is too much going on for any
one person to keep track of.

>questionable financial decisions,

Again a function of size. It would frankly be concerning if every
editor agreed with every financial decisions. There is also the long
standing problem of balancing the risk of wasting money with the risk
of paralysis.




-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[geni]

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 21:34, Aron Manning  wrote:
.
> The draft already refers to 2 articles (1
> ,2
> )
> that explain the need for ND. I'll ask for further sources that show the
> benefits of NC and ND licensed materials.
>
> Aron

1 refers to images that are public domain in terms of copyright and
the latter is mostly talking about trademark or stuff so broad that
you couldn't usefuly copyright it in the first place. ND isn't a
useful protection in these cases (it might be of some use for current
individual artists but they can publish their work elsewhere).

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

[geni]

On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 22:19, Yair Rand  wrote:
>
> I'm getting so many red flags.
>
> Established by WMF via secret (non-transparent) process, with no community
> involvement? Non-wiki environment, with the same scope as existing wikis?
> WMF-decided conduct policies? Every single moderator is a WMF employee?
> Forum using closed groups, with non-transparent communication?
> (Closed-source software, unless I'm mistaken?) So far outside Wikimedia
> spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki mailing
> list?
>
> Is there something the Wikimedia Foundation would like to tell us?
>
> -- Yair Rand
>


While I agree that a good tracking mount, a reasonable telescope and
some CCDs would be a better use of the money (there are some
satellites I want pics of) I don't see anything particular nefarious
here. Improving communications is a long term goal and shifting away
from mediawiki appears on the face of it a good way to do that (we are
after all on a mailing list at the moment. In practice experience
suggests that most people are too busy doing what they are already
doing to get involved in such projects and that mediawiki is so
central to what we are do that most people are pretty comfortable with
it.


So this falls well within the WMF’s nominal goals and is a fairly
understandable approach. I still think we would be better off spending
the money on the kit needed to get a pic of Kosmos 482.



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

[geni]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:32, Todd Allen  wrote:
>
> The only case of "harassment" apparently cited here was "I kept writing
> garbage articles, and someone kept flagging them as garbage! Harassment!
> Bad!"
>

I think there is general agreement that such flagging could have been
handled better.


> If you don't want your articles to be flagged as garbage, FIND YOUR SOURCES
> PRIOR TO WRITING THEM, AND CITE THEM. That's rather a requirement anyway.

Ah questionable. If you look at Prod blp the standard is at least one
source. This is one of the reasons that DKY is such a flashpoint. Its
meant to be a fairly light weight thing for new editors but at the
same time it's often the first time people encounter more extensive
standards and at the same time the fact it appears on the main page
means that at least some people view it as rather important. On top of
that you have more experienced editors using as GA lite who struggle
to understand why other editors have such a hard time meeting what are
to them such miminal standards.

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

[geni]

And you are suggesting that the WMF are taking admin status into
account something I can't seem them agreeing with.

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:37, David Gerard  wrote:
>
> and you're *seriously* positing that the WMF would ban an admin for
> doing only what you describe?
>


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

[geni]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 at 00:04, David Gerard  wrote:
>
> If you really think Fram's framing of events here is even plausible,
>

What you are calling Fram's framing appears to be a the WMF's version
of events as told to fram. The WMF does look slightly better if you
remember that T arw trying to improve behaviour through threat of
blocks not file a diff heavy arbcom case.


 >let alone the story

Given that the other versions of "the story" are T's PR waffle or
conspiracy theories it understandable that people are going to go with
the option that at least gives them something to work from.




--
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bounties…

[geni]

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 16:07, John Erling Blad  wrote:
>
> I was thinking about actually bounties, like in bug bounties from
> larger software vendors. We have some "bugs", like spellchecking,
> which is pretty easy to quantify, and that can be done as part of
> bounties with cash. Yes, the ugly word, paid editing! OMG!
>
> But quite frankly, why should we not? ¢1 per fixed single word typo
> that leads to one-less spelling error? Perhaps even $1 per
> spellchecked page? Delayed one week to see if anyone reverts the
> edits?
>

You've just created a financial incentive to include spelling errors.

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] convert from BitCoin to FoldingCoin and other proofs of useful work

[geni]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 07:23, James Salsman  wrote:
>
> Geni, it's the "Day of the Dead" now so I want to attempt to resurrect
> this thread.
>
> Is FoldingCoin still vulnerable to a 51% attack? What is a 51% attack?

You've had 6 months to do this basic research.

> Do you think it is reasonable for the Foundation to convert bitcoin to
> FoldingCoin as part of its program to source clean electricity?

No. Cash is more efficient.

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Vad gör dig lycklig den här veckan? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 26 August 2018)

[geni]

On 29 August 2018 at 21:53, Pine W  wrote:
> What's making you happy this week? You are welcome to write in any language.



Great Dorset Steam Fair happened. 522 full size steam engines. 2008
classic commercial vehicles, 40 diesel heavy haulage, over 200
tractors, 20 odd classic plant,  120 stationary engines, 94 classic
cars and a lot of other stuff (motorbikes, bikes, classic dairy, steam
organs, steam fairground etc). I've got ~1600 to go through and start
adding to this year's commons category:


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Great_Dorset_Steam_Fair_(2018)

The fair is still a great source of photos for wikipedia articles.

---
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Foundation has soft launched!

[geni]

On 22 August 2018 at 09:24, Antoine Musso  wrote:

> So your concerns will be acknowledged once they make their way to
> Phabricator. You can login there with your wiki account.


This would be the site who's privacy policy says

>Because we believe that you shouldn’t have to provide personal information to 
>participate in the free knowledge movement, you may:

>Read, edit, or use any Wikimedia Site without registering an account.


Okey cheap but is does display at certian lack of attention on your part.

The problem is you are asking us to learn our way around yet another
bit of software in order to raise issues. Not just learning how to
submit but also how to navigate around to see what is going on. Sure
I'm tech savy and I can work it out if I need to (although I don't see
how to zoom into tickets from this page without subscribing to them
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikimediafoundation.org/ ) but
its another barrier to entry, another bit of software I need to keep
track of.




-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Inc. working with Go Fish Digital, a company that whitewashes Wikipedia

[geni]

On 23 July 2018 at 14:50, Gregory Varnum  wrote:
> Just a quick note that the Foundation will be replying to this soon. However 
> the people involved were participating in Wikimania and currently traveling - 
> so it may take us a few days to collect the information necessary for an 
> informed response. Thank you everyone for your patience.
>
> -greg
>

How much longer do you anticipate this taking?


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] International Commons Contest WLL Recruiting International Team

[geni]

On 25 June 2018 at 08:37, Rupika Sharma  wrote:
>  Hello friends,
>
> We are pleased to announce that *Wiki Loves Love* is recruiting volunteers
> for the international team.
> Application deadline: August 1, 2018
>
> *But What Is WLL?*
> Wiki Loves Love (WLL) is an international photography competition of
> Wikimedia Commons that is to take place — with the subject love
> testimonials — in various locale places. The primary goal of the
> competition is to collect photos of love testimonials through human
> cultural diversity such as monuments, ceremonies, snapshot of tender
> gesture, and miscellaneous objects used as symbol of love; to illustrate
> articles in the worldwide free encyclopedia Wikipedia, and other Wikimedia
> Foundation (WMF) projects.
>
> *Positions Open:*
> Communication and media
> Community liaison
> Community outreach
> Finance team
> Tech team: to design banners and templates
>
> Find out more on: https://t.co/D1yeNclTRm
> Don't forget to spread the word!
>
> Cheers!
> Rupika Sharma


To be blunt. Who are you? I can't find any links to user accounts or
existing chapters. Just a throwaway Gmail address and medium account.

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] GDPR and Wikimedia content?

[geni]

On 28 May 2018 at 18:06, Todd Allen  wrote:
> I'm not even aware that we'd be subject to GPDR.

We are. Its really broad. We are dealing with the personal information
of people in the European union while engaging in economic activity.

> If we were going to
> allow it in any case that doesn't happen today, that would need to be
> agreed to by the community, in which case the best thing to do would be an
> on-wiki RfC.


RfCs don't pay €20 million fines. Its hard to get into specifics
without hitting [[WP:BEANS]] territory so for now wait and see is
probably the only viable option.



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] GDPR and Wikimedia content?

[geni]

On 27 May 2018 at 22:32, David Gerard  wrote:
> I'm a big fan of the GDPR and why it had to be created. (I'm doing a lot of
> the bureaucratic work on the tech side at the day job and am getting very
> used to thinking of ways something could constitute Personally Identifying
> Information.)
>
> But I'm wondering how we'll approach it for the Wikimedia sites. Not just
> the log data - but the content.
>

Wave around article 85 a lot.

> We already have problems with Right To Be Forgotten, and well-cited content
> being removed from the search engines.
>
> What do we have in place to deal with this when - not if - we get GDPR
> requests to remove information about a person from the site?

Wave around article 85 a lot. The content is a fairly minor problem.
Trying to cleanup after users who've inserted their personal
information into talk pages presents more of an issue.


> I don't mean just the letter of the law, in the EU or the US - I mean also,
> how we can handle this *right*. Because there are multiple competing
> legitimate interests here, and the editing communities tend to take a lot
> more care than they're strictly required to by law, because we are here to
> get things right. (This is why our DMCA numbers are ridiculously low for a
> top 10 site, for example.)

At the moment all we can really do is wait and see how it develops.
This is why you have sites trying to block the EU even if they are not
aware of any issues. 4% of turnover and no caselaw?

I'm not seeing a rush at OTRS yet but that is probably going to be
ground zero on working out what to do with this stuff.

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Nini kinakufanya uwe na furaha wiki hii? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 13 May 2018)

[geni]

On 13 May 2018 at 01:31, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's making you happy this week?

The Gaia data release 2 data is out. Gaia being an ESA spacecraft that
is measuring the the position of about a billion stars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(spacecraft)

The most straightforward application is you can chuck pretty much any
star in the milky way that we have an article on into the search
function at:

http://gea.esac.esa.int/archive/

And get an accurate distance to it. For example wikipedia says WR 25
is about 7500 lightyears away. Once you've converted through from
milli arcseconds (mas) Gaia says 68500 (divide by a 1000 then divide 1
by that number to get the parsecs distance then multiply by 3.26 to
get lightyears).

Beyond stars the improved Cepheid variable measurements will allow us
to update the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_galaxies
article with better data and hopefully get a new study on what is an
isn't in the local group (most of the sources I'm finding for that are
from around 2000 and things have moved on).






-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does anyone know what wikimedia france are up to with the Request Network ?

[geni]

On 27 April 2018 at 16:42, Romaine Wiki  wrote:
> It can be interesting to use blockchain technology in our movement for
> transparency purposes.
>
> Romaine


Not really. At best you end up with a less efficient version of a
downloadable database. People claiming that "blockchain technology" is
useful for things are either cyptocurrency advocates (with the usual
conflicts of interest) or third parties trying to be nice to them.

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 

[Wikimedia-l] Does anyone know what wikimedia france are up to with the Request Network ?

[geni]

According to their twitter feed they have announced a partnership with
something called the "Request Network‏" for cryptocurrency donations.
Also this article here

https://www.wikimedia.fr/2018/04/27/wikimedia-france-annonce-partenariat-fondation-request-network-accepter-donations-crypto-monnaies/

Ok. I don't approve but I'm not french so not its not an area where I
can reasonably expect anyone to pay any attention to my opinions.

What concerns me is that they have retweeted something claiming the
partnership is with the wikimedia foundation rather than just
wikimedia france:

https://twitter.com/wikimedia_fr?lang=en

Is some form of clarification possible?

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

[geni]

On 16 April 2018 at 06:23, Rob Speer <r...@luminoso.com> wrote:
> Right, this worries me too.
>
> I know that Wikimedia doesn't enforce the copyright on the content
> themselves, because they don't hold the relevant copyrights, the authors
> do. But there seems to be no guidance for what _anyone_ can do to address
> and correct large-scale violations.


Because is you know enough about copyright law to be able to do
anything you can already answer that question.

So here goes:

*1 be reasonably wealthy or otherwise have access to significant
amounts of money for legal costs

*2 Be American. While you can sue for copyright infringement from
overseas it greatly complicates matter

*3 Be prepared to use your real name.

*4 Make sure you have registered your work with the U.S. Copyright
Office. Not strictly required but it makes things more straightforward
and allows you to go for statutory damages

*5 Chose a case where you are pretty much the sole author of the
article or image in question.

Got all those ducks in a row? The good news is that most smaller
companies will settle at the first threatening letter although you may
suffer a certain amount of reputational damage from suing small
businesses. If a small company decides to fight and its a fairly
straightforward case you are looking at costs of over $100K. More
complicated case against a big company? Millions.

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] Knowledge Integrity: A proposed Wikimedia Foundation cross-departmental program for 2018-2019

[geni]

On 17 April 2018 at 09:39, David Cuenca Tudela <dacu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Additionally I think it would be interesting to have some research done on
> which references are DISPLAYED or CLICKED the most on several Wikipedias.
> We know already which sources are cited the most, but on which sources do
> users hover their mouse the most? Can we also identify which statements are
> involved?

Absolutely not. Leave that kind of spying to advertising companies and
three letter agencies. We have standards.



> Finally I believe it would be that a tool to assess the
> openness

Look for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Open_access


>/accessibility of the sources of any given article could be really
> interesting.



Would turn into an argument over definitions. For example is the
Mabinogion accessible? Public domain, copies can be found on various
websites but I don't speak welsh. Limiting it to English gets to the
next problem. Is this accessible:

https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2014/11/aa21621-13/aa21621-13.html

Its in English but I don't have a degree in physics.

Where there are more obvious limits it gets more complicated. You may
be tempted to lump all paywalls together is it really fair to lump
something that costs €1 for total access in with something that
charges $40 for one article. Does the currency it charges in make a
difference?

Books too have their fun aspects. Try automating judging the relative
accessibility of Birmingham's Electric Dustcarts and 7000 years of
jewelry.



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] convert from BitCoin to FoldingCoin and other proofs of useful work

[geni]

On 12 April 2018 at 14:50, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Only works if most people aren't trying to scam you
>
> What else works that way?
>

Thing where most people don't have money on the line. Its
Cryptocurrency. If your first thought isn't "how could a scammer
exploit this" you are doing it wrong.


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] convert from BitCoin to FoldingCoin and other proofs of useful work

[geni]

On 11 April 2018 at 22:37, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Proof is stochastic, by random audit of submitted results, as I
> understand the situation.

Only works if most people aren't trying to scam you. Which if you've
had any experience with concurrency you will realise is not the case.

Oh and since the thing is GPU mined and not very popular there are a
bunch of people who could carry out a 51% attack tomorrow.

> In regard to the earlier responses, I the Foundation should offer to
> convert Bitcoin to FoldingCoin for those who wish to contribute
> Bitcoin.

But the foundation wants actual money (US$ mostly). Why convert
bitcoin into anything other than cash (which is what it does at the
moment)?


geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] convert from BitCoin to FoldingCoin and other proofs of useful work

[geni]

On 10 April 2018 at 22:45, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Foundation has been accepting BitCoin donations. Unfortunately,
> BitCoin is very wasteful in terms of electricity, and is therefore a
> dirty cryptocurrency.

They all are. The only difference is that bitcoin is Asic mined so
doesn't directly drive up the price of graphics cards.

> I recommend that the Foundation immediately cease accepting BitCoin,
> and require donors who wish to donate in cryptocurrency to convert to
> FoldingCoin instead. Please see: FoldingCoin (FLDC)


FoldingCoin is the one where you give fake results to Folding@home
(since the maths is NP hard there is no real time way to check if your
results are real or not) in return for tokens that have little in the
way of actual value.


> This conversion will place the Foundation at the forefront of
> cryptocurrency technology,


The forefront of cryptocurrency technology is coming up with new and
exciting ways to scam people. The Foundation should not be getting
involved.


> As other cryptocurrencies based on proofs of useful work
> instead of useless work emerge,

Is gaming a Proof-of-Research useful? Because if so Gridcoin exist. In
theory burstcoin could be used to provide archival storage although
there are a bunch of ways of doing that without driving up hard disc
prices.


> the Foundation should consider those.
> FoldingCoin is based on proofs of useful prediction of protein
> folding,

No it isn't. The problem is it is based off the old folding@home which
works on the basis that most people aren't trying to scam the system.
If FoldingCoin ever became popular that would no longer be the case at
which point it becomes proof of results given to results to
Folding@home with no requirement that those results be real.



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 4 February 2018)

[geni]

On 4 February 2018 at 06:13, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's making you happy this week?
>


I discovered we got an article on a ridiculously obscure media format
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HiPac ) due to a techmoan episode:

https://youtu.be/Q_9IBIcsYj4?t=996

Now we just need a photo of the thing.

Meanwhile Norwich continues to be Norwich:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_urination_devices_in_Norwich


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Publicpolicy] Update on FISA 702 reauthorization

[geni]

On 21 January 2018 at 12:56, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you think merely avoiding the most mass-produced and arguably
> widest backdoor is a step in the right direction?

Security though obscurity against state level actors? That is not
going to work. And yes I know you seem to think that exploits are
deliberate back-doors but that position requires an alarming degree of
faith in the competence of the average programmer.


> That they need not risk losing their prized exploit capabilities
> because they can't use them against open source hardware
> makes us safer or less safe than if they could use them but
> we spent less money?

Open source hardware is going to have exploits. From the POV of a
state level actor burning those exploits is cheap since pretty much no
one uses open source hardware. Thus the risk associated with
compromising someone using open source hardware is pretty low. For
someone using something more mainstream the risk is rather higher.
-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Publicpolicy] Update on FISA 702 reauthorization

[geni]

On 20 January 2018 at 22:43, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The NSA surveillance which was reauthorized by Congress can not depend
> on eavesdropping alone with new HTTPS cyphers. It needs compromised
> hardware to work,


Meltdown suggests otherwise. In any case EternalBlue and Stuxnet made
it clear that the hardware is irrelevant.

The reality is that the WMF doesn't have the resources to prevent a
state level actor from gaining access to its servers. Switching to
little used, little supported and more expensive hardware simply
weakens the WMF position even further since attackers no longer have
to factor in the risk of burning a valuable exploit. So not much
changed since 2013.


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 14 January 2018)

[geni]

On 14 January 2018 at 19:05, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's making you happy this week?


We appear to have buried the hatchet with Jason Scott

https://livestream.com/internetsociety/wikidaynyc/videos/168540333

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A fundraising banner we'd like to try in a short test

[geni]

On 14 November 2017 at 22:12, Samuel Patton <spat...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will be
> more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks
> promising enough to keep testing.
>
> Regards and sincere thanks for all you do.
>


Covers up half the periodic table on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table?banner=dsk_p1_lg_right10=US=1

In fact lets just face it this thing does not like tables:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_400mm_lens?banner=dsk_p1_lg_right10=US=1

It overlaps longer equations (see around the Efficient methods section):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approximations_of_%CF%80?banner=dsk_p1_lg_right10=US=1

I suspect it also breaks with lilypond but I don't have an example to hand




-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyfraud by the British Museum

[geni]

On 28 July 2017 at 21:36, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nobody believes that claiming copyright on 2,000 year old works


And this is where your failure to understand English and Welsh law and
the history of artifact handling become a problem.

Your mistake is in assuming the only work here is from the 2000 year
old sculptor and bronze worker. This is of course not the case. The
reality is both items will have been subject to a certain degree of
cleaning and "restoration" (you don't give British museum catalogue
numbers so I can't look up exactly what). This is pretty common for
any ah "headline" item that didn't go straight from the dig to a
museum. Victorian collectors wanted complete statues for their
collection and even today things can get a lot of work done to them
(the Crosby Garrett Helmet for example).

The Roman statue presumably entered the UK pre-1972 (if it didn't we
have bigger concerns than copyright) which means there is a good
chance it is from the imaginative restoration era. Has the restorer
been dead for 70 years? I don't know and I don't think you do.

The jug won't have come out of the ground looking like that. Has
enough work been done to qualify for copyright or is it old enough for
life+70 to have expired? I don't know. Do you?


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

[geni]

On 5 June 2017 at 18:32, The Cunctator <cuncta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Both Google and Graphiq are using pretty much the entire Wikipedia corpus
> for their results.


However due to the way their output is structured it falls under "you
can't copyright facts".


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naive questions: what could do the movement with 1B dollars/euros?

[geni]

On 17 May 2017 at 18:08, David Cuenca Tudela <dacu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are there any activities that could have a meaningful impact if we ask
> donors for such amount of seed money? Are there reasons to do so?


Space program. A billion should get you a couple of dawn clones and if
you focus on flybys rather than orbits you can visit a bunch of
asteroids.



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[geni]

On 29 April 2017 at 22:11, Juliet Barbara <jbarb...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey.
> As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia
> Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community
> Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to
> Wikimedia-l sooner.
>
>
> We are planning to publish a statement on the Wikimedia blog soon. In the
> meantime, we have been handling media and other inquiries with the
> following short statement, which we shared with the Communications
> Committee (ComCom) earlier this morning:
>
>
> "The Wikimedia Foundation has learned that access to Wikipedia has been
> blocked in Turkey as of Saturday, April 29th. Wikipedia is a rich and
> valuable source of neutral, reliable information in hundreds of languages,
> written by volunteers around the world. We are committed to ensuring that
> Wikipedia remains available to the millions of people who rely on it in
> Turkey. To that end, we are actively working with outside counsel to seek
> judicial review of the decision affecting access to Wikipedia. We hope the
> issue can be resolved promptly."
>
>
> We will continue to do our best to monitor this discussion, but I ask for
> your patience as we are managing inquiries coming in from multiple places.
>
>
> If you are receiving media inquiries about this, please contact
> pr...@wikimedia.org and we will be able to assist you. At this point, we
> believe that the most valuable point Wikimedians can make on behalf of
> Wikipedia is explaining its value as an educational resource.
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Juliet
>


FWIW the two articles the Turkish state is apparently complaining about are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Turkey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Turkey


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia, right, but on the blockchain

[geni]

On 26 April 2017 at 00:06, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Advertising-funded Wikipedia that micropays participants from
> advertising revenue, on the Ethereum blockchain! The important bit is
> to give them startup money.
>
> "Lunyr: Decentralized Wikipedia on the blockchain"
> https://medium.com/@cryptojudgement/lunyr-decentralized-wikipedia-on-the-blockchain-4072606d5fc5
>
> I have a number of thoughts on this, all negative:
> https://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2017/04/25/wikipedia-right-but-on-the-blockchain/
>
> Jimbo wasn't impressed either:
> https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/856060215577464833
>
>
> - d.
>


Hmm they are taking their user interface from here:

https://www.behance.net/gallery/16219877/Wikipedia-Redesign-Concept


Which was the one that happened to be the target of the critique here

http://jgthms.com/wikipedia-redesign.html


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 2 April 2017)

[geni]

On 4 April 2017 at 07:28, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's making you happy this week?
>


Turned out that buried in my images from an editathon at Birmingham
Museum Collection Centre in 2015 there was an image of a pair of
inflated caterpillars.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_pair_of_inflated_caterpillars.JPG


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help! Can't save on any Wikipedia

[geni]

On 22 February 2017 at 12:06, Enock Seth Nyamador <kwadzo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Am good now :). Thanks all.
>
> Best,
>
> - Enock
>

this is one of the reasons I keep a secondary browser for wikipedia
stuff only. I'd recommend seamonkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey or Vivaldi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?

[geni]

On 29 January 2017 at 17:58, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
> Our movement is impacted by the new ukaze that prevents many of our staff
> going home for a holiday or see their family and it prevents many members
> of our movement to visit the office of the WMF. So it does have a serious
> and negative impact on our efforts.

Do does the WMF actually have any staff from the countries affected?



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?

[geni]

On 29 January 2017 at 18:11, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National
> Intelligence have just been replaced on the National Security Council,
> by Steve Bannon, the editor of Breitbart News who has a long history
> of promoting white nationalist positions and centralized censorship of
> the internet:
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attacks-plan-transfer-oversight-icann-from-us-wrong-censorship-2016-9


Yes we know. You want to talk politics? Fine lets talk politics. The
US right already tends to view us as rather left leaning. Cementing
that impression gains us a bunch of enemies and nothing else. A strike
by the WMF isn't going to impact them very much. You want a effective
general strike? Go talk to the power station workers and the
Electrical grid people not the WMF.



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?

[geni]

On 29 January 2017 at 15:01, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?
>

No. This is very much a case where the foundation sits and waits.


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

[geni]

On 12 January 2017 at 22:20, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fæ, Surely no grant-giving body would even talk to the Foundation if it
> could not show them a plan for the medium to long term.

Umm are we looking at a different set of grant funded projects here
because I've seen quite a few burn out over far shorter periods.

In any case for online stuff we still live in a world where 5 years is
long term and the foundation would have to quite spectacularly screw
up not to last that long. Beyond that they can point to the licenses
and database dumps. The software is open source the content is under a
free license. Even if Wikipedia isn't around the software and content
will be. Degrees of survival out to 10 years are fairly easy to
guarantee without special planning. Beyond that things always get a
bit speculative and long nowish.



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

[geni]

On 19 December 2016 at 18:38, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't call DMCA safe harbor(s) "how Wikipedia is allowed to exist". At
> a glance I'd say it would (at worst) impact on some (most) wikis way to
> handle copyvios/the thin red line around fair-use, but most of our
> ecosystem shouldn't be affected. So, what am I missing?
>

Without some form of safe harbor the likes of AP and getty would have
a fairly solid case for statutory damages for every single one of
their images uploaded even if we deleted them fairly quickly. We could
probably argue it down to $200 per image but it would still add up.

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

[Wikimedia-l] Are inline donor banners something we view as acceptable?

[geni]

Screenshot of what I mean:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Inline_donor_bannerbass.png

Inline ads are generally considered to be something that gets into
scummy advertising territory (for example even adblock plus's rather
questionable Acceptable Ad policy doesn't accept them).


On a related note the FAQ appears to be out of date:

https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/FAQ/en

Unless we are still in the 2015-2016 fiscal year.

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

[Wikimedia-l] We appear have been partially blocked in France (probably accidentally)

[geni]

Apparently on the orders of the french government orange added us to
their blocked terrorist sites list. This did apparently have the fun
effect of  DOS the government page people were redirected to, Source
(among others):

http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2016/10/17/une-erreur-bloque-l-acces-a-google-pour-les-clients-d-orange_5014900_4408996.html



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A new Wikipedia fork: InfoGalactic

[geni]

S

On 10 October 2016 at 19:13, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "INFOGALACTIC: an online encyclopedia without bias or thought police"
>
> Home page: http://infogalactic.com/info/Main_Page
> Announcement: 
> http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/10/project-big-fork-infogalactic.html
> Roadmap: http://infogalactic.com/info/Infogalactic:Roadmap
>
>
> - d.

So the neoreactionaries have their wiki just like the more traditional
far right have Metapedia.



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New functionality: cross-wiki search results

[geni]

On 7 September 2016 at 18:51, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
> It is a pity because Wikidata has so much more to offer in missing
> information in any language.

Fixed the citation issue yet?


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are articles being deleted?

[geni]

On 25 June 2016 at 13:14, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As a deletion I'd say we totally lost at en.wiki, we can maybe tie on other
> wikis.
>

As so many projects have learned so painfully in the last decade the
English Wikipedia knows what they are doing.



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki

[geni]

On 5 June 2016 at 02:28, Liam Wyatt <liamwy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not to put too fine a point on it... But are you saying that Sue remained
> the most highly paid contractor to the WMF, and at a significantly higher
> rate than when she was the actual ED, until FIVE DAYS ago? That is, well
> beyond any 'transition period' (and in fact longer than the employment of
> the person who replaced her)?


Its now been a full working day. Can we have a clarification on this point?

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disrupting journal publishing

[geni]

On 8 May 2016 at 23:28, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Basically the DOAJ search function is not returning accurate information.
> James
>


Well the good news is that they've just deleted 3.3K journals to try
and improve on that:

https://doajournals.wordpress.com/2016/05/09/doaj-to-remove-approximately-3300-journals/

Now if we can just find a way to get stuff accurately listed by
language it will be a lot more usable.


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

[geni]

On 10 May 2016 at 15:35, The Cunctator <cuncta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One very serious element of this decision-making really should be the fact
> that Google is blatantly violating the CCA-SA by reusing Wikipedia content
> without making their derivative work open.
>
>
>- *Share Alike*—If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you
>may distribute the resulting work only under the same, similar or a
>compatible license.
>

They would argue that they are using the facts not the presentation of
those facts and facts are not subject to copyright.



-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disrupting journal publishing

[geni]

On 8 May 2016 at 22:56, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @ Andrew per "The majority of OA journals do not charge publication fees"
> Which ones are you thinking of?
>


DOAJ lists 10294 without article processing charges and 1355 with.
Taking the far more limited DOAJ seal stuff (BTW if we really want
something to throw money at funding DOAJ to employ someone to exclude
more junk from their database would be useful). We get 173 with and
199 without.


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disrupting journal publishing

[geni]

On 8 May 2016 at 21:51, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes there are more than 10,000 open access journals. Ours are different in
> that we do not charge the authors fees for publication. I am not sure of
> another OA journal like this.


DOAJ lists 10,294 (including one I've actually cited the Journal of
Lithic Studies)



geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disrupting journal publishing

[geni]

On 5 May 2016 at 19:17, Chris Sherlock <chris.sherloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If a free online business model can figure out how to fund copy-editing and 
>> automatic standards enforcement (for example, people make awful bibtex 
>> entries, including Springer's auto-generation system), and a university 
>> institution willing to host the journal's archives, the entire utility of a 
>> publisher disappears
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11637251 
> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11637251>
>
> In all seriousness, what would stop the WMF from attempting to setup journals?
>

The Directory of Open Access Journals currently lists 11,649
journals[1]. While some of those are junk[2] the world is currently in
no way short of open access journals.

The only way a wikimedia backed open access journal would make sense
is if either we aimed for a really high quality journal (probably by
throwing money at the problem) or a journal that targets areas that
wikipedians have identified as being hard to find citations (and this
month's edition of citation needed features a number of papers on the
initial sales price of games consoles and vessels used in local ferry
services)

[1]https://doaj.org/
[2]https://doaj.org/article/ebed893bfc3748d58695b2851c8270e9


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

[geni]

On 20 April 2016 at 00:05, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ironholds, I think that you're taking a negative interpretation. It seems
> to me that any ED candidate is going to want to know what they're getting
> into before agreeing to take the job, and if forks are on the horizon

They aren't. Its an incredibly bad idea to the point where people of
significance aren't even going to bother engaging with it.

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

[geni]

On 27 March 2016 at 23:00, David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are imposing "modern" 1st world standards on these poor people.
> Many I remind you to remember how many 1st world Commons bureaucrats
> and admins were doing something similar / identical [1] only a few
> years ago at Commons.Do we collectively recall how many years.it took
> to ban them and delete their files ?
>


Actually illegal stuff is vaporised as soon as it is found. Images
adult depicting nudity are not per se illegal are where they are
freely licensed and withing project scope they have not been deleted
and remain to this day. By the same token films under a free license
such as Tears of Steel are also not going to be removed from commons.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tears_of_Steel_in_4k_-_Official_Blender_Foundation_release.webm

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[geni]

On 11 March 2016 at 18:18, Deborah Tankersley <dtankers...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions! (Note
> 2: My apologies for not getting this email out yesterday, but I had had
> issues with size limitations of my screenshots.)
>
> On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
>
> Deb


The image thumbnail thing fails to filter our fair use images along
with the usual lack of author and licensing information.

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] “Reliable”, “Notable”, and “Encyclopaedic” Sources for Automated Solvers for FreeCell

[geni]

On 10 March 2016 at 12:22, Shlomi Fish <shlo...@shlomifish.org> wrote:
> Hello Peter,
>
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 17:36:02 +0200
> "Peter Southwood" <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
>> If you get it published off Wikipedia then it becomes a reference and someone
>> else can mention it on Wikipedia
>
> Published where , how, why, what, and when? What forms of publishing are
> acceptable for using as a Wikipedia reference?
>
> Regards,
>
> Shlomi Fish
>

Anything that meets the requirements of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources

In your case you would be looking at peer reviewed journals, retro
game magazines or perhaps someone publishing a book through a
reputable publisher on microsoft's games.


-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

[geni]

On 5 March 2016 at 03:21, Brion Vibber <bvib...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> There's less weakness in admitting a failure honestly, retreating and
> regrouping, than in powering through when knowing oneself unprepared.


Fallacy of the excluded middle.

In any case that doesn't change the fundamental problem. The only
formal mechanism the wider community of editors has to control the
activities of the foundation is via the nominal community seats on the
board. Things in that respect are pretty bad. We've lost our
apparently most effective member and the replacement is currently
doing pet rock impressions.

In more recent times the only practical level of control the board has
exercised is appointing the ED. If they are given that up the wider
community no longer has any formal mechanisms of control left.

While that may not be the intent of the WMF employees it is where we are.

-- 
geni

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

[geni]

On 2 March 2016 at 19:58, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
> Western countries don't really have a tradition of state-published
> encyclopedias,

Wales is not a western country?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopaedia_of_Wales


> If we had the US Secretary of Defense
> writing Wikipedia articles about the US Army,

Who exactly do you think writes our articles about US military subjects?

> or had employees of the
> German government running Wikimedia Deutschland,


Both of User:Juergen.friedrich's employers are public universities.

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Post mortems (second attempt)

[geni]

On 22 February 2016 at 01:06, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The discussion about post-mortems arose rather organically, not as a result
> of a decision to use a certain medium. The participants were: Jonathan
> Cardy, Erik Möller, Dariusz Jemielniak, myself, Ben Creasy, Asaf Bartov,
> Jon Beasley-Murray, Bence Damakos, Luis Villa, Eddie Erhart, Liam Wyatt,
> and Tisza Gergő. I think it is fair to say that we had a general consensus
> that:
>
> When something does not go well (for instance, various software releases),
> it would be highly valuable for the Wikimedia Foundation's senior
> leadership to prioritize creating a thoughtful and official post-mortem
> document and discussion.
>

So they want there to be even more incentives for the foundation never to
admit failure?


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] US Copyright Law Forces Wikimedia to remove Public Domain Anne Frank Diary

[geni]

On 16 February 2016 at 14:43, Michael Maggs <mich...@maggs.name> wrote:

> It's worth noting, if only to increase awareness of the excessive length
> (95 years) of some US copyright terms.
>


Thats hardly a US only thing though. The Leni Riefenstahl (yes that one)
film The Blue Light will have a 141 year copyright term.


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?

[geni]

On 15 February 2016 at 16:07, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Teemu,
> These "partnerships" (which I think is an unfortunate word for them) are
> about giving volunteers access to closed sources.
>
> Apart from brand affiliation, what do you see as a potential benefit from
> partnering with PLoS?
> Pete
> [[User:Peteforsyth]]


Probably none. DOAJ on the other hand. I'm less convinced of DOAJ's
financial soundness and its loss would be unfortunate. I've lost track of
the current PR line over whatever we are currently calling the knowledge
engine but if they are still going for the searching for reliable
information line DOAJ would be an obvious place to deploy it (well mostly.
This got into their database some how
https://doaj.org/article/ebed893bfc3748d58695b2851c8270e9 ).



-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

[geni]

On 26 January 2016 at 19:07, Arnnon Geshuri <agesh...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Regarding the concerns that have been raised, I have listened closely.
> That said, in my opinion, there are some misconceptions and there are
> mitigating considerations.  As a general matter, I will say that,
> throughout my career, I have been charged with enforcing company policies
> as part of my role as a people manager. I have tried to do so thoughtfully
> and consistently.  I have done so realizing company policies and practices
> evolve over time as circumstances change.
>
>
>
> As part of the current narrative, members of the community generated a
> running theme within the online conversations related to trust.  Comments
> were expressed questioning their trust in the Wikimedia Foundation Board
> and asking if the community could accept me as a new Board Member.  Wanting
> to understand the challenges ahead, I have spent the last few weeks
> speaking with current and former Board members and reaching out to folks in
> the community.  I have more conversations in the coming days and appreciate
> those who have been generous with their time.  Given the story line that
> has been shaped over the last couple weeks and based on the feedback from
> my conversations, I know I have a longer journey than most new Board
> members to prove to the community and WMF alumni that they can put their
> trust in me.


Nice polished PR spiel. A bit too polished in my view since it reduces the
chance of people empathizing with you but hey I understand that you have to
keep the lawyers happy. Of course that's part of the reason why its
unreasonable to expect wikipedians to deal with you let alone trust you.



>   I joined to make a positive difference and be a part of the
> important effort to grow the WMF for the next generation of editors,
> contributors, and users.
>

Hmm? The WMF appears to have already hit its fundraising limit. At this
point further growth isn't really on the list of things we want.





> As the community gets to know me, folks will see the way I work is with
> thoughtfulness, transparency, diversity, and a focus on doing what is
> right.


You've already said that the way you work is doing what your bosses tell
you and we know that wasn't right:

"I have been charged with enforcing company policies
as part of my role as a people manager. I have tried to do so thoughtfully
and consistently."



>   I have key experiences in both my professional and non-profit
> careers which lend a distinctive perspective to the honorable work of a
> Trustee – especially the learnings gained over the last decade.


Decade? You weren't caught until 2010. That isn't a decade ago.


>  And as we all become closer and transition to debating the
> issues and not the people, the community will see I consistently speak from
> the heart,


People who speak from the heart doesn't speak in highly polished legally
cleared PR statements. They speak like RMS or Jason Scott which is one of
the things that make them annoying.


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endowment Update

[geni]

On 14 January 2016 at 18:41, Lisa Gruwell <lgruw...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

>
>
>The Wikimedia Endowment has been established as a Collective Action Fund
>at Tides Foundation <https://www.tides.org/> as a permanent,
>income-generating fund to support the Wikimedia projects. Tides has
> over 40
>years of experience administering funds for nonprofits and helping to
>launch such efforts.  They often serve as fiscal sponsors for
> organizations
>when they are first starting out and will be providing administrative
>support to the Wikimedia Endowment.  The endowment will be independent
> from
>WMF but an Advisory Board, nominated by the WMF and appointed by Tides,
>will make recommendations to Tides related to the endowment.  We have
> the
>option in the future to transfer the endowment out of Tides to the WMF
> or
>to a new charitable entity. The endowment will continue to be a
> permanent,
>income-generating fund to support the Wikimedia projects under any
> entity.
>For now, we feel Tides is a great, cost effective place to start and we
>will look at other options when the endowment reaches critical mass.
>
>


Heh I remember those guys. Their fees were one of the costs that caused
Citizendium so much trouble (not that Citizendium didn't have a bunch of
other issues). Ah 2007. Fun times.



-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Introducing Jaime Villagomez as our Chief Financial Officer

[geni]

On 11 January 2016 at 20:28, Lila Tretikov <l...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

>
> Most recently, Jaime served as CFO at two startups: AnyCOMM, a smart cities
> startup,


Looks like literal DRMed light-bulbs.


> and Karum Group, which focused on extending credit services to
> underserved, unbanked communities in Mexico.



Hmm apart from the court filings they have maintained an impressively low
profile. Best I can tell they are software house with a focus on the
Mexican retail sector.



> Before then he was Vice
> President of Finance at Advent Software,


Financial services software. Harmless.



> QRS,



Probably QRS Corporation. Harmless.


> and Northpoint Communications
>
Dot com bust. Messy bankruptcy but well a lot of them were.



> Jaime is a first generation San Franciscan. He speaks fluent Spanish, and
> has strong connections to his extended family in Latin America. Jaime holds
> a deep appreciation for diversity, the importance of learning environments,
> and the urgency of advancing the lives of those in need. He is committed to
> bringing his experience to these issues through support for local community
> organizations and non-profits, including the Salvation Army,


Diversity or the Salvation Army. Pick one.


Seems a reasonable choice but we shall see.


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

[geni]

On 8 January 2016 at 22:41, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> wrote:

> Maybe here the best is to wait a bit for the WMF to come with a response,
> before piling on - unless you actually have information to contribute.
> Pile-on threads seem to lead these days to the original questions being
> ignored/forgotten about.
>
>
They've had over 24 hours. How long do you think they need?



-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

[geni]

On 9 January 2016 at 02:07, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On top of that, unlike Sue, Lila is a geek. And geeks have troubles in
> understanding the social impact of their actions, especially inside of
> the extraordinary complex environment of Wikimedia movement.
>

You aren't seriously trying that argument are you? in any case it doesn't
really help since people skills are a job requirement for WMF ED.



-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

[geni]

On 2 January 2016 at 09:24, George Herbert <george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> So far the best description I can think of is that we have a bunch of
> people who were there struggling to describe the situation without
> breaching duty to the organization or resorting to attacks, the information
> release results of which so far are unsatisfying to concerned external
> parties such as most of us.
>
>
Eh I'd argue at this point we have a fairly good idea of what went on.

We know from the high employee turnover in some areas and the odd slip
(well that and pretty direct complaints
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=WMF_Transparency_Gap=15199687=15199605
) that, oh lets call it moral, isn't exactly rock solid at the WMF. The
long term failure to fill the chief technology officer position probably
doesn't help but there are reasons to suspect there are other issues.

For whatever reason James ended being ground zero for complaints by WMF
employees. Not clear why they would go for one of the community elected
people although perhaps it has something to do with only them being the
only post Lila Tretikov board members. (BTW either
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Board_of_Trustees needs updating or
we've just lost another two board members).

James handled these complaints in a way that the WMF management felt was
undermining their authority/ability to lead and complained to the board.
The board sided with management and removed James.

The community can't actually do much about this other than perhaps
recommending board level representation for WMF employees with the counter
that we revive that old proposal of them not voting in the elections for
the community representatives.

-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

[geni]

On 31 December 2015 at 13:02, Patricio Lorente <patricio.lore...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> We are working with the 2015 Elections Committee to fill this vacancy with
> a member of the Wikimedia community. This is a top priority. More
> information will be available once the Board has had a chance to confer
> with the 2015 Elections Committee.
>
>

So can I see these conferings?

-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unreliable sources? Pay-to-publish science journals and too-trusting popular news outlets

[geni]

On 28 December 2015 at 02:44, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Food for thought for those interested in the quality and reliability of
> references:
>
> http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/05/28/410313446/why-a-journalist-scammed-the-media-into-spreading-bad-chocolate-science
>
> Pine
>


Eh running a search of Beall’s List:

http://scholarlyoa.com/publishers/

against the wikipedia database is probably something that should be done
but beyond that the problems aren't really limited to any specific type of
journal.


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[geni]

On 21 December 2015 at 15:25, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Re-users are very, very unlikely indeed to spend "way too much of their
> time worrying" about, say, having to add the words "Source: Wikidata.
> (Disclaimer.)" to their websites -- hyperlinked to wikidata.org and the
> Wikidata disclaimer.
>
> It's a one-minute job.
>
>

You've broken say a CC-BY-SA license in at least two ways there.


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[geni]

On 22 December 2015 at 12:27, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I was unaware that you were in favour of CC BY-SA for Wikidata now.
>
>
I'm not but you failed to specify a license and CC-BY-SA is one you might
be vaguely familiar with




> It's surely not beyond human skill to devise a licence for Wikidata that
> requires re-users to include the three words above on their website, while
> placing no other duties or restrictions on them.



You appear to be suggesting a homebrew license so we are already above the
one minute mark. Worse still by talking about websites you are suffering
from the classic problem of failing to consider all use cases. For example
books, calendars or indeed any form of data transmission that isn't the web.



-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[geni]

On 20 December 2015 at 13:18, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Lydia,
>
> I can only relate my impressions to you. The first two items I looked at
> (Jerusalem and Obama) happened to be protected, so on my first visit I was
> completely non-plussed as to how to edit anything on Wikidata.
>

Both are semied on en. I think this mostly shows your ignorance of
protection patterns. The first things you think of will pretty much always
be protected since they are the ones that attract a lot of vandalism. You
either use special:random or something closer to your personal interests.


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[geni]

On 13 December 2015 at 15:57, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jane,
>
> The issue is that you can't cite one Wikipedia article as a source in
> another.
>


However you can within the same article per [[WP:LEAD]].

-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[geni]

On 3 December 2015 at 19:29, Lisa Gruwell <lgruw...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> We agree with you that WMF fundraising should not use stock photography.
> This was a mistake by a designer.
>

They made a mistake with a Getty image?

>We pulled that banner yesterday
>and asked our designers for a new custom image that we can freely license.

To clarify these are different designers? Messing with Getty is not
something you want to be doing.

-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[geni]

On 3 December 2015 at 23:30, Rob <gamali...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> It was a photo of a cup of coffee.  It was a mistake that was quickly
> acknowledged and corrected.  Let's keep things in perspective, please.
>

It was a Getty image on one of the most high profile sites on the web.
Legal doesn't need the extra workload.

-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[geni]

On 3 December 2015 at 23:29, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hold it, back up the truck for a moment
>
> If the WMF has a fundraising team and a PR/media team why is it paying a
> third party to provide the banners surely someone should be able to design
> them in house, what about someone from the design teams working on other
> projects.   If no one has the skills to layout a banner why not ask the
> community for some options there are many skilled volunteers that would
> gladly do it for free, the WMF could even offer a scholarship to Wikimania
> as an incentive to get it done within a short time frame.
>
>
Graphic design is really one of those things better left to professionals.
Equally for a handful of banners going externally rather than employing
someone full time makes sense. Admittedly the WMF hasn't had the best of
luck with its external contractors (wikipedia forever, this) but in
principle it is a valid approach.


-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[geni]

On 28 November 2015 at 19:17, Ed Erhart <the.e...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On the very specific point of knowledge and how it's not always possible to
> boil it down to a single quantifiable value, I couldn't agree more. Thank
> you, Andreas, for the detailed anecdote displaying that problem, and I'll
> be happy to provide more if needed.
>
> Does Wikidata have a way of marking data entries as estimates, or at least
> dates as circa (not just unknown)?
>
>
Yes https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1317 however a quick comparison
between the English Wikipedia and wikidata suggests it isn't used very much.

Of course there are a bunch of other issues. It gives dates for Egyptian
Pharaohs without saying what chronology it is using. It keeps claiming
dates are Gregorian without showing any conversion has actually taken place
(wikipedians tend to be pretty poor when it comes to such conversions since
they require a fair bit of background knowledge. For example depending on
the year and writer the year in England can start on the 1st of January,
25th March or the first day of advent).

Wikidata doesn't do very well on carbon dating either. If we look at Ötzi
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q171291

We again get dates with no indication of the calibration used. Really this
would be better handled using the uncalibrated C14 numbers (4550 ± 27BP
http://digitalcommons.library.arizona.edu/objectviewer?o=http%3A%2F%2Fradiocarbon.library.arizona.edu%2FVolume36%2FNumber2%2Fazu_radiocarbon_v36_n2_247_250_v.pdf
) and then adding enough information for the correct calibration curve to
be selected (Northern hemisphere land based which at the moment probably
means INTCAL13)

-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[geni]

On 27 November 2015 at 15:16, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

>
>
> How does the presence of that information in Wikidata help if the Google
> user just gets the info in the Knowledge Graph without any indication that
> it comes from Wikidata? Because CC0 specifically waives the right to
> attribution that Wikipedia retains.[1][2] No re-user of Wikidata content is
> required to say where the data came from, and they typically don't.


The problem is that there aren't really any alturnatives to CC0 that do any
better (since wikidata isn't really copyrightable in conventional terms).
Open Data Commons Open Database License would be closest but only applies
in the EU and leads to messy arguments over what counts as a substantial
part
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

[geni]

On 26 November 2015 at 19:23, Jens Best  wrote:

> Well, then this is a cheap success for the propaganda for a project started
> by the Foundation which has nothing to do with the community which is
> creating and editing the Wikipedia.
>
> - WP0 is a clear violation of net neutrality and therefore undermines the
> ground on which an open croudsourcing project is based.


Open street maps comes from the UK a country which does not have net
neutrality.
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

[geni]

On 27 November 2015 at 15:27, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Would it not make more sense to import (and verify!) the reliable source
> cited in the relevant Wikipedia version, along with the statement?
>
>
You hit issues with non machine readable data, paywalls and deadtree walls.
And even then it varies by field (for example in chemistry if you can get
around those problems you wouldn't bother with wikidata and instead go
straight for the Beilstein clone).

-- 
geni
___
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, 
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>