Or just get a Deliberant Duo and be done with it... :-)
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT repeater
On Wed, Oct 13,
We have a monitoring system, but it doesn't meet the needs of our Customer
Service side of the company.
I would like to have a GUI to see Networks by locations showing the APs and
their SMs. I'm using Canopy 900 MHz with connected SMs. They would like to
be able to see a mouse over so they
Powercode does both of those. It is a major overhaul - consumes your
billing, ticketing, monitoring and requires a BMU ($2-3k router). If you
have a mixed mash of programs I would look into this.
If everything else runs smoothly you might want to use Dude
http://www.mikrotik.com/thedude.php
Or
Might want to stand by to see what the folks at Wireless Beehive cook up
they are working on a monitoring/call center program. I don't know if the
monitoring platform is going to be available separately from the call center
but if it is you'll like it. What I saw at AF was very impressive.
-
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 10:58 -0500, Carl Shivers wrote:
We have a monitoring system, but it doesn’t meet the needs of our
Customer Service side of the company.
There are a couple of monitoring applications available with built in
CRM functions. If you'd like to discuss some of these options,
If this is all Motorola, have you looked at Prizm?
Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com
On 10/14/2010 11:58 AM, Carl Shivers wrote:
We have a monitoring system, but it doesn’t meet the needs of our
A bit. I've heard that Prizm isn't all it's cracked up to be.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitoring
If
I'm sure some people will be saying oh not this discussion again but I've
just got to ask. L-Com is selling FCC certified systems and they go into
detail to explain that their system are available without license or special
requirement because it's not just an amplifier but rather a complete
On 10/14/2010 2:33 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
I'm sure some people will be saying oh not this discussion again but I've
just got to ask. L-Com is selling FCC certified systems and they go into
detail to explain that their system are available without license or special
requirement because it's
Yeah, I guess my bigger question is if it has a cert number has the FCC lost
it's mind? Are they really opening up the sale of high powered WiFi amps to
everyone? Who wants to be the last one on their block without one?
Greg
On Oct 14, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
On 10/14/2010
it appears to be a in-line amp, max input 100mW 20dbm, max out 100mw
20dbm... primarily designed to compensate for cable loss on long
cable runs.
What would be the issue with this ?
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
On 10/14/2010 2:46 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
Yeah, I guess my bigger
Greg,
I hate to use the word hate because that's an emotion best saved for people
who engage in really, really, really bad practices so let me just say that
companies that lie about what they are sell (telling people that it's legal
when
it's not) are about the worst of the worst kind of
From L-Com's website Product Description:-
Note:
This Hyperlink bi-directional amplifier is designed for burst
half-duplex operation. It is not intended for constant transmit or CW
operation. Operation of the amplifier in CW mode will damage the
amplifier and void the warranty.
I've heard it is decent but expensive.
On Oct 14, 2010 2:28 PM, Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net wrote:
A bit. I've heard that Prizm isn't all it's cracked up to be.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick
Faisal,
Thank you for taking the time to search and locate the prefix for
the FCC ID. That prefix does indicate that the amplifier is
certified as part of a kit using the WLAN-LCUSB-03 wireless adapter.
So if Greg wants to extend the range of his computer using
This morning my favorite news site had yet another article about the FCC,
labled walking a fine line where they're distancing themselves a bit from
full on telecom style regulation and trying to sell some vague in between
approach.
To be honest, the electorate isn't in favor of ISP
Wispmon will do what you want along with customer qualification, CRM,
ticketing, billing, work order scheduling, provisioning, etc (or it can just
monitor). Hit me off list or contact Butch from his above post.
Regards,
Cameron Crum
WispMon.com
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman
It is expensive, and has some quirks, and can be a pain to configure,
but it is definitely the best choice for close integration with Motorola
equipment. There is a customer management module in there and there are
reports for top bandwidth users, etc.
Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
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From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:40:23
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Powercode, Jon's software and boss are all canopy friendly.
On Oct 14, 2010 4:40 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote:
It is expensive, and has some quirks, and can be a pain to configure,
but it is definitely the best choice for close integration with Motorola
Yes, basically anything that can pull SNMP data is canopy friendly. But
being able to update firmware with a few clicks, add new alerts without
digging through piles of MIBs, monitor SMs without needing to assign IP
addresses to them, etc. are nice things about Prizm. You can do it all
with a
Not was I was referring to. You can single click update Canopy with
Powercode. Just put the files in the web server, go to the equipment on the
account page and click the one you want it to update to.
As far as the IP - Powercode does DHCP reservations, which is what I always
have done. You
Mark,
I started to type an email call for support to all WISPs, manufacturers,
distributors and consultants that the time is now to step up to the plate
and support WISPA. We now have over 400 members out of approximately 2500
WISPs in the country. That is only 20%. We need the financial
Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum Bridge
met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office yesterday in regard
to certain limiting factors in the TVWS Memorandum Report Order language.
Below is the Ex parte Filing that was made today.
In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new
bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or
bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm
looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions.
Thanks,
Hrm why doesn't Mikrotik work?
On Oct 14, 2010 6:15 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
wrote:
In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new
bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or
bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice
At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote:
Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum
Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office
yesterday in regard to certain limiting factors in the TVWS
Memorandum Report Order language. Below is the Ex parte Filing
Fred,
Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations that transmit.
jack
On 10/14/2010 3:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote:
Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum
Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the
You want to base your network traffic on a windows based machine??
I wouldn't put the life of my network dependent on a windows box for ANY
REASON... EVER..
Thats just suicide..
Why not just build a more stable x86 mikrotik router??
Our main mikrotik bridge for bandwidth management is a quad
more friendly windows type based unit
Forbes, are you sure you are not jumping from the hot frying pan into
the Fire ?
:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
On 10/14/2010 6:15 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new
bandwidth
Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm not a true
geek, I barely speak linux and Router OS not at all. Our network of 700
over 12 towers is bridged, a big no-no but I can't keep radios up long
enough to make us routed along with the growth sprut we've had this year
(we
Ask Butch, we have a kick-ass Bandwidth manager machine, it's no good
when it disables it's ports or bridge randomly. NO traffic over the
Internet should have the ability to shut down the OS, Mikrotik does,
Ubiquiti doesn't, simple as that.
On 10/14/2010 3:44 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
You
As I said myself windows is suicide.. If you want an easy to use solution
for bandwidth management I'd check out
a used packeteer from ebay first.. We origionally bought 3 45meg
packetshaper 4500's for our network from ebay
and they worked very well for over 5 years, however our billing system now
We used Packeteer prior to MikroTik for bandwidth management. Packeteer
arguably makes one of if not the finest bandwidth manager availablebut
you pay for it!
I'd take a closer look at your MikoTik configurations and/or hardware before
springing for a bunch of $10k+ Packeteers...Just my
I agree with you btw on the ubnt radios.. we LOVE them.. But we've also
never used mikkrotik for ap's or BH's either..
Ryan
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:
Ask Butch, we have a kick-ass Bandwidth manager machine, it's no good when
it disables
Hi,
You need to fix your network, not the hardware/software you are running.
I have over 60 Mikrotik backhaul links, with over 1,000 Mikrotik
customer radios (plus thousands more Trango and Canopy) and have NONE of
the issues you describe.
Our main edge router is a Mikrotik box (x86 with
Can you recommend a routing configuration because we currently run some
bridging and I am curious as to what your recommendations would be. How
do you do the bandwidth shaping if you are routing from local tower
sites directly?
Thanks,
David
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
I agree with Travis.
Also the thread is about a bandwidth manager, which just like Travis, you
would do at the edge between you and your upstream. Your APs, backhauls and
other radios can be Ubnt/Canopy/Linksys/etc
I would suggest spending the minimal amount of money for the MT router,
Butch's
Over 50 and you get latency issues ?
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From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:45:32 -0700
Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm
Splendid idea there guy, replace Mikrotik with a Windows box. Gotta
wonder I'd the problem is between the keyboard and the chair here.
On 10/14/10, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote:
In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new
bandwidth manager since
I believe he is looking for an easier interface. Not the Windows kernel on
the hardware doing the job.
On Oct 14, 2010 7:27 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
Splendid idea there guy, replace Mikrotik with a Windows box. Gotta
wonder I'd the problem is between the keyboard and the
Ya know I'd be a lot more patient for the smart a$$ comments if I
didn't have to live through this, I've hired the best guys on this list
to solve it and the only answer I get in the end is that shouldn't
happen. I can be non-geek enough to know if I can't hire the fix it
ain't gonna work.
I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch
as I stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages, everyone is
stumped, if I can't depend on it I don't want it. THEN I'll have time
to route the network. I've used Mikrotik for years and until the load
got to
Sounds like you need to have someone come visit the network in person.
There has to be a reasonable explination for what is going on your
network, and i posit that no device you find is going to work right
till that root cause is found.
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Forbes Mercy
Forbes, I am not stumped, but the simple fact is that we don't have
enough information to make a final fix. So, be sure here, that we are
not stumped, the information has not came in to find out why. I think
mike was suppose to work with one of your guys, I will have to find out
where they left
Run smokeping and Dude. You need to find the issues or you may spend money
needlessly.
On Oct 14, 2010 7:57 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
wrote:
I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch
as I stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages,
Again not a true statement, $3000 for a visit by a network
administrator to route us (already got the quote), $600 for a packeteer
on eBay. Then we can route it ourselves because the network won't drop
every day when a piece of crap router drops the ethernet port every time
it sees traffic
At 10/14/2010 06:35 PM, you wrote:
Fred,
Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations
that transmit.
Yes, which is worth precisely zero to a WISP, since we need two-way
transceivers. The only receive-only equipment is what goes with
wireless mics; the mics themselves
Thanks Josh I'll try that
Forbes
On 10/14/2010 5:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Run smokeping and Dude. You need to find the issues or you may spend
money needlessly.
On Oct 14, 2010 7:57 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote:
I also
Fred,
If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple.
Thank-you for your opinion and have a good day.
jack
On 10/14/2010 5:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
At 10/14/2010 06:35 PM, you wrote:
Fred,
Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations
that
Since I do not have all the information you might be right. What I
have read says you have a mikrotik router (all ethernet) that is
dropping interfaces. Not sure how that relates to Ubnt gear since they
are wireless, unless you mean a MT with wireless and not a x86 unit. I
do not equate a wireless
Maybe explain what it means to WISPs?
On Oct 14, 2010 8:17 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
Fred,
If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple.
Thank-you for your opinion and have a good day.
jack
On 10/14/2010 5:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
At 10/14/2010 06:35 PM,
At 10/14/2010 08:16 PM, you wrote:
Fred,
If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple.
Making snarky insults doesn't answer the question. Quite frankly I
have a pretty strong RF and regulatory background so it is not a good
idea to treat me like a dunce. So I'll ask the
In the days of two way radio,we had a great tx site,but low power
handhelds(customer radios) couldnt be heard well by the reciever at that main
tx site.We then installed remote reciever sites to be able to better hear the
handhelds(customer radios)They uaually heard the main tx site fine.
Hello Fred,
Regarding snarky insults - a simple review of this email thread reveals that
the only snarky insults are the ones that contributed.
Please review WISPA's mailing list policies at
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=9.
Regarding your strong RF and regulatory background I offer the
Oops, typo corrected in 2nd line below (added the word you).
On 10/14/2010 5:44 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
Hello Fred,
Regarding snarky insults - a simple review of this email thread reveals that
the only snarky insults are the ones that you contributed.
Please review WISPA's mailing list
At 10/14/2010 08:35 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
In the days of two way radio,we had a great tx site,but low power
handhelds(customer radios) couldnt be heard well by the reciever at
that main tx site.We then installed remote reciever sites to be able
to better hear the handhelds(customer
Fred,many of those tvws channels are untouchable,unless you run your tx at
40mw.A full duplex system has the ap at full power on one channel,the s/u tx
ing on a low power only channel in full duplex.Many more channels are then
available and you may now see the reason for this...BTW,those low
I know of some guys that are using SoftPerfect for small networks. I'm
not sure how it scales or how the interface works. eg. if you can import
rules or if you have to manually create all of them.
If you simply want to limit bandwidth for each customer to their speed,
MasterShapper will work.
Jack my friend,
I think you may have been rather harsh with Fred. For someone who isn't
aware of where the FCC Committee is heading with this, it does sound
somewhat illogical. IMHO, such a harsh tone pretty much wiped out my
previous attempt today to build membership. I thought posting the Ex
At 10/14/2010 09:05 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
Fred,many of those tvws channels are untouchable,unless you run your
tx at 40mw.A full duplex system has the ap at full power on one
channel,the s/u tx ing on a low power only channel in full
duplex.Many more channels are then available and you may
I know you can completely use spectrum by doing a bandwidth test or something
else, but that takes two sides to the link. I only have one.
Is it possible without a remote site you are linking to.
This is using ubnt M5 line
Scott Piehn
This begs the question, Why?
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com wrote:
I know you can completely use spectrum by doing a bandwidth test or
something else, but that takes two sides to the link. I only have one.
Is it possible without a remote site you are linking to.
Hmm, ping flood on the rf side? What do you have it plugged in to?
On Oct 14, 2010 10:56 PM, Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com wrote:
I know you can completely use spectrum by doing a bandwidth test or
something else, but that takes two sides to the link. I only have one.
Is it possible without a
MT. on the ethernet
Scott Piehn
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From: Josh Luthman
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] saturate frequency
Hmm, ping flood on the rf side? What do
what comes around goes around.
Scott Piehn
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From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] saturate frequency
Well I don't agree with that but I am curious to know if it can be done. I
don't think so but make a switch loop.
On Oct 14, 2010 11:30 PM, Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com wrote:
what comes around goes around.
Scott Piehn
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