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From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:32 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com
wrote:
Thanks
Butch Evans wrote:
This thread has degraded WAY beyond useful.
Maybe for you Butch, but I am thinking this was a very useful and
informative thread and I hate to see someone stifled because of one mans
disdain.
We should all be able to discuss and hash things out without worrying we
are
Liotta mlio...@r337.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
Those of us operators who actually have experience in the field with
the gear tend to avoid posting to threads about WiMAX because the
threads
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
Cell radius= 30km
The point is for a TCO, that's one tower site to cover a
20km radius, meaning less leases per month of 1k or more, so isntead
of 4
tower sites to cover this area ( and pay 4k per month )
So...how are you breaking
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:13 AM
To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wyble
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
This is what I'm looking for. Thank you!!
Ben Wiechman wrote:
We've looked
.3dbnetworks.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:13 AM
To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
Cell radius
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
Those of us operators who actually have experience in the field with
the gear tend to avoid posting to threads about WiMAX because the
threads quickly devolve. I suggest
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 23:32 -0700, George Rogato wrote:
Maybe for you Butch, but I am thinking this was a very useful and
informative thread and I hate to see someone stifled because of one mans
disdain.
Which part of the argument was useful? The specific parts of the
conversation that I
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Pat O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:38 PM
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Geeze. Not comforting at all.
Aperto is my first choice now because I believe they use TR-069
813.426.4230 mobile
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of mlio...@r337.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:30 PM
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We have several customers in the market
:02 PM
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That may be, but Aperto did issue a press release for one customer.
And, it turns out that customer only has one radio authorization.
Further, you mention Tolly Marcus, but what about you? Did you not
represent
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John,
My boss has field tested Aperto's gear to 15miles at full modulation...
so a 30km cell radius (18 miles) is possible.
But the thing is that wouldn't be the average deployment... and with
Cyclone gear you could push the system out
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote:
Thanks for the compliment Daniel, but please God, let's not have anyone
thinking they can build a 30 km radius cell with our stuff or anyone's
stuff in WiMAX. I don't care if you can see your dog running away for
three
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Thanks for the compliment Daniel, but please God, let's not have anyone
thinking they can build a 30 km radius cell with our stuff or anyone's
stuff in WiMAX. I don't care if you can see your dog running away for
three days it is so flat
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Kevin Suitor
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:50 AM
To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
Folks
On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
Matt, you said you needed to provide a reason why you did not suggest
Aperto. Would it not be preferrable to provide a real reason, not
something that is based on a weak deduction, e.g. Aperto issues few
PRs
so they must not do any
On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
That was a PR from June 2008 Matt, when few vendors even had certified
product in the market for more than a month or two. Further, Manish is
not even here any longer. I joined, first as a full time consultant,
in
October 22, 2008. Check
@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com
wrote:
Thanks for the compliment Daniel, but please God, let's not have anyone
thinking they can build a 30 km radius cell with our stuff or anyone's
stuff in WiMAX. I
similar reach to 5 GHz with sub 1 ms latency.
Kevin
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
I can do almost
?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:32 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
On Thu
, April 23, 2009 11:32 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com
wrote:
Thanks for the compliment Daniel, but please God, let's not have
anyone
thinking they can build a 30
So the recent thread on Wimax was quite interesting. I need to read up
on the different technologies involved. I believe that a fixed
deployment is sufficient for many many many needs and markets (wireless
local loop if you will). If people want mobility/end user wireless they
can hang an
I'm looking for more operational experience and end user experience.
Certainly good technology contributes to that, but that isn't my primary
goal.
Michael Baird wrote:
It was interesting, but I was hoping for some more first hand experience
reporting. Essentially the only explanation for
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Subject: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
So the recent thread on Wimax was quite interesting. I need to read up
on the different technologies involved. I believe that a fixed
deployment is sufficient for many many many needs and markets (wireless
local loop if you will). If people want
It was interesting, but I was hoping for some more first hand experience
reporting. Essentially the only explanation for improved range was a
lower noise floor, which isn't a wimax thing, but a 3.65 thing. I think
a lot of the 802.16d/e talk is market speak, I'm trying to get through
that and
Those of us operators who actually have experience in the field with
the gear tend to avoid posting to threads about WiMAX because the
threads quickly devolve. I suggest you read the archives of this
mailing list. To summarize though; operators who use WiMAX like it and
think the
Jason Hensley wrote:
For me, personally in our area, 3650 is attractive because of the lack of
noise. We are saturated with 2.4 and 5GHz here, but if I was in an area
with low noise levels in 2.4 and 5Ghz, then I would not see a point in
spending the extra money to deploy 3650 gear. I
Matt,
I appreciate your perspective, but I've already read through the
archives and with Wimax technology what was valid yesterday might not be
valid today. I'm not interested in a holy war, we are certainly going to
deploy Wimax in the near future, I just want to set expectations
properly
Yes. I know. Which is why I asked very specific questions. I don't
really care about the technology involved and am not looking for
information on it.
I'm asking for vendor recommendations and WISP experiences from people
that have actually deployed Wimax in the 3650Mhz space. The area I'm
What he said. :)
Seriously I'm interested in actual experiences. Not moans and gripes and
arm chair speculation. I'm very interested in deploying Wimax technology
and want real world information and actual operator feedback.
Michael Baird wrote:
Matt,
I appreciate your perspective, but
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wyble
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
So the recent thread on Wimax was quite interesting. I need to read up
on the different technologies
to mind.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
We're also looking to deploy Wimax at a couple of our tower locations to
provide higher bandwidth to business customers and take a load off some of
our 900 APs. One vendor we are looking at is Vecima Networks. Anyone out
there using VistaMAX 3.65 GHz from Vecima. I would be very interested in
some
WiMAX relationships tend to be self-limiting. The good vendors are
expensive and as such their customers tend to be more capable. In
capable; I mean the operator has done thorough evaluations including
field trials of equipment from various vendors. Developed a business
plan specifically
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
WiMAX relationships tend to be self-limiting. The good vendors are
expensive and as such their customers tend to be more capable. In
capable; I mean the operator has done thorough evaluations including
field trials of equipment from
On Apr 22, 2009, at 3:17 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:
Matt,
How does what you say in the first paragraph make Aperto not viable?
I don't think anything from my first paragraph makes Aperto not
viable. I am not sure I even like the term viable. I wouldn't suggest
Aperto or recommend them as a
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
On Apr 22, 2009, at 3:17 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:
Matt,
How does what you say in the first paragraph make
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 14:01 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote:
Those of us operators who actually have experience in the field with
the gear tend to avoid posting to threads about WiMAX because the
threads quickly devolve. I suggest you read the archives of this
mailing list. To summarize though;
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 15:03 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote:
My personal recommendation would be for Redline. That is the vendor we
selected and have deployed. I would also recommend that you only
consider WiMAX for deployments where differentiated services are a
core part of your business
On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
Matt, I apologize for the earlier post regarding your response in this
thread. This post was certainly one that is helpful and addresses the
questions that started the thread.
I obviously missed this email before my most recent post. However,
, April 22, 2009 12:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
On Apr 22, 2009, at 3:17 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:
Matt,
How does what you say in the first paragraph make Aperto not viable?
I don't think anything from my first paragraph makes Aperto not viable.
I am
On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
WiMAX obviously has some things to offer. It was written specifically
as an outdoor wireless specification. I think your summarization is a
little short of the truth, though. It would be nice, IMO, if you,
as an
operator who acutally
Anybody use Airspan for Wimax?
Michael Baird wrote:
It was interesting, but I was hoping for some more first hand experience
reporting. Essentially the only explanation for improved range was a
lower noise floor, which isn't a wimax thing, but a 3.65 thing. I think
a lot of the 802.16d/e
We've looked at several different vendors for WiMAX and have been running
Alvarion in 2.5GHz for almost 18 months now. Aperto seems to have a decent
RF platform, as does Redline and Alvarion. We had two main issues with
Aperto: ugly Tranzeo CPE and their EMS. Maybe some things have changed by
the
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/business/epaper/2009/04/20/0420airspan.html
-Matt
On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Pat O'Connor wrote:
Anybody use Airspan for Wimax?
Michael Baird wrote:
It was interesting, but I was hoping for some more first hand
experience
reporting.
, 2009 6:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/business/epaper/2009/04/2
0/0420airspan.html
-Matt
On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Pat O'Connor wrote:
Anybody use Airspan for Wimax?
Michael Baird wrote
Geeze. Not comforting at all.
Aperto is my first choice now because I believe they use TR-069. But I
wanted to see if anyone had used Airspan's Macromax product.
Matt Liotta wrote:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/business/epaper/2009/04/20/0420airspan.html
-Matt
On
This is what I'm looking for. Thank you!!
Ben Wiechman wrote:
We've looked at several different vendors for WiMAX and have been running
Alvarion in 2.5GHz for almost 18 months now. Aperto seems to have a decent
RF platform, as does Redline and Alvarion. We had two main issues with
Aperto:
, while impacting where you are with your revenue.
-
Jeff
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
Those
contact the sender and delete all
copies.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Christopher Hair
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:58 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
We're also
Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
Behalf Of Christopher Hair
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:58 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
We're also looking to deploy Wimax at a couple of our tower
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:54 PM
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On Apr 22, 2009, at 3:17 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:
Matt,
How does what you say in the first paragraph make Aperto not viable?
I don't think anything
Sadly they are getting low on cash too
Redline is in the same boat.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Pat O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz
, 2009 3:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
This is what I'm looking for. Thank you!!
Ben Wiechman wrote:
We've looked at several different vendors for WiMAX and have been
running Alvarion in 2.5GHz for almost 18 months now. Aperto seems to
have a decent
by and reuse
channels among them?
Can I instal a 90 deg 4 sector tower with just 2 channels?
Gino
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jeff Booher
Sent: Wed 4/22/2009 8:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
All
We have several customers in the market with trials or actually deployed.
I
cant help if they all havent gotten their FCC licenses *duck*, or fully
executed in their plans. Remember as well, not EVERYONE uses 3.65ghz, and
many customers use 5.8 or 5.4.
Actually you can help. As a participant
Excellent replies! Thank you!
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:34
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
Folks,
IMHO, It really comes down
That may be, but Aperto did issue a press release for one customer. And,
it turns out that customer only has one radio authorization. Further, you
mention Tolly Marcus, but what about you? Did you not represent yourself
at WiMAX World as a Zing employee?
What are people supposed to think
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 22:02 -0400, mlio...@r337.com wrote:
MetroConnect's SEC filings state they had $2k of cash on hand. Since that
time MetroConnect's revenue has declined each quarter and now they state
their cash on hand is $0.
This thread has degraded WAY beyond useful. If you want to
*sighs*
I did my best to keep it very focused.
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From: Butch Evans
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Sent: Apr 22, 2009 7:49 PM
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 22:02 -0400
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:46 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 14:01 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote:
Those of us operators who actually have experience in the field with
the gear tend to avoid posting to threads
Cell radius= 30km
The point is for a TCO, that's one tower site to cover a
20km radius, meaning less leases per month of 1k or more, so isntead of 4
tower sites to cover this area ( and pay 4k per month )
So...how are you breaking the laws of physics with this system? Unless
you are
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