Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

[Brad Belton]

If they are able to legitimately justify a /26 in IP space then it’s possible 
you aren’t charging enough for your service.

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tim Way
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

 

Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.

 

On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor"  wrote:

So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you would 
charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would then cost 
more than the actual service?

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope  wrote:

We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has been 
our pricing for 10+ years.  

 




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Network and Operations Officer

Arbuckle Communications, LLC

Office: 580-226-1234  

Mobile: 580-277-1108  

sp...@arbucklecomm.com

www.arbucklecomm.com

"We Are Built For Business"

 

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net  
wrote:

$5/month/IP

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 Original message 

From: Judd Dare  

Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: WISPA General List  

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing 

 

Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.

I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in 
order to only sell to people who really need it.

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:

How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?

 

Comcast Business class cable internet charges

 1 - $14.95/mo.

 5 - $19.95/mo

 13 - $34.95/mo.

 

What do fiber providers charge?

 

I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current provider, 
and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.

 

We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN. 


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Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

[Brad Belton]

Hal,

 

Please have someone contact me regarding (2) two new style, heavy duty mounts 
for the ML-60-35 as soon as possible! 

 

Thank you!

 

Brad Belton

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 2:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

 

Since we have more than one mounting option now and different folks want 
different ones, we are pulling the mounts out of the radio box and letting it 
be your choice which one.

 

The transition has been less than smooth. We are reminding all our partners 
about this.

 

The sector is the first to change. The rest of the MetroLinqs will follow 
eventually and will get a corresponding cost reduction.

 

Please bear with us and let us know if you have difficulty getting mounts!

 

Hal

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 3:33 PM Chris Ruschmann  wrote:

I emailed them and they said they stopped sending them with mounts because the 
default ones don’t work…

 

So I have an email in with the distributer trying to get some options for 
mounting the things.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 11:19 AM


To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

 

I got no mount! Wtf ignitenet? 

 

From:  on behalf of Chris Ruschmann 



 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Monday, August 29, 2016 at 2:43 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

 

Yeah, on our Beta Gear we were seeing 600Mpbs. I haven’t got the new sector up 
to test as they apparently don’t ship them with mounts…

 

From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:04 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

 

You had something not setup right. 

 

We have seen arguments about 600meg vs 800meg vs 1g type discussions.. but if 
you were seeing 30... then you had something totally off...

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 


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From: "Dan Parrish" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:55:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

We've gotten some this week as well. Initial tests weren't too impressive, but 
I'm sure I can improve the RF alignment. At -55 on both sides, I was only able 
to pass about 30mbits/sec, which was much lower than I anticipated. How is 
everyone else faring in their tests? Please include RSSI and TCP performance if 
possible.

--danp

On 08/25/2016 03:13 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:

Just got these in, smaller than I thought they would be…

 

Sector on the left, CPE on the right. I’ll get them setup shortly.

 

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Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

[Brad Belton]

We are also waiting on client radio mounts.  We can’t hang these with what 
Ignite originally sent us.  Gorilla Tape would likely work better than the 
mount they provide.

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jeremy Austin
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 1:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

 

 

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:

I haven’t got the new sector up to test as they apparently don’t ship them with 
mounts…


I got a mount with at least one sector, will check the other. Still waiting for 
the beefy mounts for the client radios though!

 

 

-- 

Jeremy Austin

 

(907) 895-2311

(907) 803-5422

jhaus...@gmail.com

 

Heritage NetWorks

Whitestone Power & Communications

Vertical Broadband, LLC

 

Schedule a meeting: http://doodle.com/jermudgeon

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Re: [WISPA] Need 50Mb highly symmetrical service in Dallas, Texas

[Brad Belton]

Limited to my iphone this minute, bug the short snswer is YES!

 

Will try uou offlist in a bit.

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of John Thomas
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 50Mb highly symmetrical service in Dallas, Texas

 

Do you have a tower that can service Plano?

 

Looking for 10 meg/10 meg IP v4, IP v6, BGP.

 

I checked with every other wireless provider in the area, and no one does IP 
v6, and most can't do BGP.

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



Brad Belton  wrote:

Thanks Cameron…and yes, we are very close to this location with a couple 
towers.  Not a problem for us to provide several hundred Mbps here within a day 
or so.  Gigabit or beyond with a little more time!

 

I sent an email off list to Scott, but I am running out of the office right 
this minute.  Scott will hear from me or someone else in the office very soon.

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:20 AM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 50Mb highly symmetrical service in Dallas, Texas

 

Might check with Belwave in DFW...Brad is usually on the lists. 
b...@belwave.com if you need faster response.

 

Cameron

 

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Scott Carullo  
wrote:

3900 Vitruvian Way

Addison Dallas, Texas 75001

 

Hit me off list thanks

 

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

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Re: [WISPA] Need 50Mb highly symmetrical service in Dallas, Texas

[Brad Belton]

Thanks Cameron…and yes, we are very close to this location with a couple 
towers.  Not a problem for us to provide several hundred Mbps here within a day 
or so.  Gigabit or beyond with a little more time!

 

I sent an email off list to Scott, but I am running out of the office right 
this minute.  Scott will hear from me or someone else in the office very soon.

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:20 AM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 50Mb highly symmetrical service in Dallas, Texas

 

Might check with Belwave in DFW...Brad is usually on the lists. 
b...@belwave.com if you need faster response.

 

Cameron

 

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Scott Carullo  
wrote:

3900 Vitruvian Way

Addison Dallas, Texas 75001

 

Hit me off list thanks

 

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   


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Re: [WISPA] WAN Optimization products for Medical Imaging / Radiology ?

[Brad Belton]

We're very familiar with PACS.  Not sure what if anything you need to do
unless the network is congested.  Typically the remote user will either have
a pptp or ipsec tunnel back to the server/network.  The bandwidth the remote
user has available to them (at home, hotel etc.) will obviously vary
depending on what they are using.  The images will simply move faster with
higher bandwidth connections and slower with lower bandwidth connections.

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 12:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WAN Optimization products for Medical Imaging /
Radiology ?

 

Looking for a way for remote Radiology Dr can use low BW Internet
connections (5-10 Mbps) for remote PACS reading, 

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WAN Optimization products for Medical Imaging /
Radiology ?

 

Gino,

 

Can you be more specific?  I came from a regional hospital chain, and they
did everything from their downtown Data Center, and all hospitals had gig
connectivity.  Even the bar-code readers had serial to Ethernet extenders,
so even the serial scanners were IP to the servers.

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] WAN Optimization products for Medical Imaging / Radiology ?

 

Anyone has any experiece with products for this application?

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik launches CCR Router with SFP+ ports

[Brad Belton]

Link / URL for this router?  Specs?

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik launches CCR Router with SFP+ ports

 

CCR1036-8G-2S+

 

2 SFP+ Ports 

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

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Re: [WISPA] Need 10M transport in Ashburn VA

[Brad Belton]

Why fiber if only 10M?

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:33 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 10M transport in Ashburn VA

 

Not that I can do it, but transport to where?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

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From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 

Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 6:48:59 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Need 10M transport in Ashburn VA

Who serves this area? Fiber preferably 

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143


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Re: [WISPA] WISP Referral Needed in Dallas, TX

[Brad Belton]

Hello Ian,

 

I'm certain we can serve your Dallas site.

 

Thanks,

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ian Framson
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] WISP Referral Needed in Dallas, TX

 

Hi WISPS (2nd time today),


I'm also looking for a WISP referral in Dallas, TX.

Thanks in advance,

 

Ian Framson
Co-founder/CEO

 

  Trade Show Internet logo
  www.tradeshowinternet.com 
i...@tradeshowinternet.com
(866) 385-1504 x701  
(818) 590-7475   mobile
(415) 704-3153   fax

Connect With Us   Facebook
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Trade Show Internet fully complies with the Telecommunications Act of 1996
  which
prohibits telecommunications carriers from entering into exclusive contracts
with commercial building owners for the provision of interstate telephony
and Internet services. Trade Show Internet's solutions also comply with FCC
Title 47 CFR Part 15
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Brad Belton]

Agreed.  A carpenter once told me that some tools require more skill than other 
tools to use properly and get the desired results.  This isn’t meant as a jab 
towards anyone, but I feel is an honest truth.  I know there are several tools 
in my bag that I wish I was more skilled with…MikroTik included.  

 

The RouterBoard capacitor issue was a pain, but I believe they determined it 
was a counterfeiting issue and not a design problem.  They received a large 
batch of capacitors that were not up to the specifications they should have 
been.  As compared to many wireless operators here we don’t deploy a bunch of 
these boards, so I can appreciate the heartache some must be going through as 
these boards with bad capacitors fail slowly over time.

 

BTW, I think if you look at the board you can visually tell if it has 
counterfeit capacitors or not.  Pretty sure the green colored caps are the bad 
ones and the brown ones are good.

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

 

All I can say is that we have been running MK sinsce 2.x, some quirks along the 
way.  But we are happy with it,  No way we could have grown our company to this 
level on Cisco or Juniper since we rely heavy on VPLS and Mikrotik has allowed 
us to use it economically

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

 

Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can prove that 
they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support. 

 

MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there. 


Sent from my iPad


On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis  wrote:

I'd like to know as well.

We have been using MT since 2.3.

Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out..

Each has their place.

--

On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly expect 
support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in Mikrotik.  Price 
doesn't have a huge gap between them. 

 

Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even 
started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably 
not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.


Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  Now 
what's the answer...




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes  wrote:

Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have had 
them in heavy production without issue for months. 

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman  wrote:

Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your 9 mo 
uptime.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Do you have anything to base that on?

I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since 
they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.

Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, 
but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use 
the first generation in production.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than 
Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where 
does this device fit?


Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote:


That's an awfully bold statement. How come?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -
From: "Christian Palecek" < christ...@cybernet1.com >
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone

Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net > wrote:

>Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
>Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes" < st...@pcswin

Re: [WISPA] Thanksgiving appreciation

[Brad Belton]

Good to hear you’re back Patrick.  All the best and Happy Thanksgiving.

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thanksgiving appreciation

 

+1

 

A Very Happy and Safe Thanksgiving to all.

Faisal


On Nov 21, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:

Some of you know the, well, wildness of the last 5 or so years for me, but here 
I am healthier than ever and extraordinarily thankful that even the gods at 
Stanford Medical Center are still occasionally wrong. And now I am back in the 
industry I love with my "home" company that now understands where its bread is 
buttered. My management is amazing -- something I've never been able to say. 
I've a wife and family that provide a satisfying home life and bring humor and 
humility.

 

You folks are the best; you have your own skin in the game and are genuinely 
care about the services you provide to your communities.  That makes you 
special and important. I may never earn the business of many of you, but that 
is not a qualification for my respect nor appreciation of what you do.  Know 
regardless if I can help, I will., so please reach out.

 

I hope for you all the blessings for which I am myself very thankful.

 

Kindly,

 

Patrick Leary

 




 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product.... airCAM Pro...

[Brad Belton]

Hello Ben,

 

We are very interested in UBNT multi-megapixel cameras.  Love to see some
5MP or 10MP cameras!  We have one airCAM that we've been playing with, but
as expected it pales in comparison to the Arecont 5105's we currently use.

 

If UBNT wants to truly be "market disruptive" than they need to introduce a
$200 5MP+ security camera!  Axis and the like have had a stranglehold on the
IP camera market for far too long!

 

Also, the airVision software is exciting, but needs lots of improvement.

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 1:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product another router?

 

Hi Mike,

Definitely more work to be done on the cameras...They are being used
successfully, but there is definitely work to be done and hardware added.

Thanks,
Ben

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett 
wrote:

While I am deploying some systems, I do think there is work to be done yet
on the cameras.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -

From: "Doug Clark" 
To: "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 12:19:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product another router?






The thing that amazes me is that they have a hit with their wireless gear
and surveillance line. They can not even keep up with production on either
line..
Why UBNT is determined to sell everything under the sun is beyond me.






---Original Message---


From: Gino Villarini
Date: 9/14/2012 9:32:18 AM
To: WISPA General List ; paolo.difrance...@level7.it
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product another router?



Hmm lately they (UBNT) seem like a sidewalk salesman selling anything from
show cones to tennis shoes. IMHO they should focus on the core products



Its like the VC approach.. invest in 100 startups, 1 would be a hit



Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 11:14 AM
To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product another router?



They hired the Vyatta engineers, it's basically running Vyatta. It's even
stated as such on their forums...



Regards,
Chuck




On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco <
paolo.difrance...@level7.it > wrote:

Hi all

I see that Ubiquiti is launching a new product, a router.

Well, personally, I do not think that it's a good idea, hard market and
I really do not see a real reason why I should buy the Ubiquiti router
instead of other well knows products

>From my perspective the value or a core/edge router is not only in the
number of packets, it's more into the number of bugs and instabilities.

A new product has less or more bugs/instabilities than others working
since years in my network?

I am not sure that I want to restart thinking new workarounds for a new
brand.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product.... another router?

[Brad Belton]

Good point.  All our sites (clients, towers, etc) have a APC UPS being
monitored every 10 seconds by a MikroTik router.  Nothing is on our network
without our managed router plugged into a UPS..radios included!

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 12:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product another router?

 

Probably a PEBKAC =)


Are you putting them on batteries?  Are you regulating the voltage?


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On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Doug Clark  wrote:


Just had a RocketM5 running 5.5.2 hang up and need a powercycle to come back
to life two days ago.  Maybe it has something to do with Utah  

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Brad Belton <mailto:b...@belwave.com> 

Date: 9/14/2012 11:41:59 AM

To: 'WISPA General List' <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product another router?

 

Relatively speaking we deploy few UBNT radios as compared to many operators
here, but ever since v5.3.2 we haven't had any issues with UBNT lockups or
UBNT radios requiring a power cycle.  Install and forget.  Very pleased with
their radios. 

I think the UBNT router platform is premature and would rather UBNT put all
their efforts into developing faster radio technology.

Best,

Brad

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Doug Clark
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 12:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product another router?

 


Matt,  Have to disagree with you here.  UBNT equipment does not just
run..

It locks up for no reason and requires a power cycle in order to come back.

 

If you want equipment that " JUST RUNS "  and requires no baby sitting that
equipment has a Cambium logo on it.

You pay dearly for it and I have a significant amount in my network but I am
not deploying it because the cost is too high and 

the bandwidth is too low.  UBNT equipment is very high maintainance and
super hard to diagnosis what the problem is when you have one.

 

With all that being said I am still currently only deploying UBNT and
actually taking down Canopy FSK to replace it with UBNT 2X2 

 

 

 

 

~Doug

---Original Message---

 

From: Matt Hoppes <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> 

Date: 9/14/2012 9:42:32 AM

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product another router?

 

Greg,

I don't ever recall seeing bleeding-edge firmware with bugs released

from Ubiquiti unless you mean the betas?  But that's what they

are... betas.   Since 5.3.3 up to the current 5.5.2 release I haven't

had any problems with the final releases of software.

 

I can't count the number of Linksys, DLink, Hawking, whatever wireless

routers we've replaced for customers because they had problems with

their Internet.  We put in a Power AP-N, or an AirRouter and we never

hear from them again.

 

Truth be told... Ubiquiti equipment just runs... it doesn't need

rebooted.  It doesn't need babysat.  It just runs.

 

No I am not being paid to make these statements.  I just have many years

working in IT.  I've used Cisco, MikroTik, Alvarion, Motorola and now

Ubiquiti.  The Ubiquiti equipment just works.  I have a backhaul that's

been up for over a year with no reboots and no problems.

 

Matt Hoppes

Director of Information Technology

Indigo Wireless

+1 (570) 723-7312  

 

On 9/14/12 11:20 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:

> Are people going to be able to tolerate the bleeding-edge cycle of

> bugs/firmware updates that has been the history with their wireless gear?

> 

> Once again they're breaking new ground, this time with low cost/high pps

> throughput. Will they be able to make it powerful (rich feature set)

> /and/ easy?

> 

> It's going to have to be really good to make people switch.

> 

> Maybe they're going for a niche market of people who want only features

> relevant to the WISP market (bandwidth management, bandwidth accounting

> etc, vlans) and not people who want a do-all box like MT which has a lot

> of features most WISPs probably don't use (BGP and the forwarding

> protocols come to mind).

> 

> Greg

> 

> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco

> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:

> 

> Hi all

> 

> I see that Ubiquiti is launching a new product, a router.

> 

> Well, personally, I do not think that it's a good idea, hard market
and

> I really do not see a real reason why I should buy the Ubiquiti router

> instead of other well knows product

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product.... another router?

[Brad Belton]

Relatively speaking we deploy few UBNT radios as compared to many operators
here, but ever since v5.3.2 we haven't had any issues with UBNT lockups or
UBNT radios requiring a power cycle.  Install and forget.  Very pleased with
their radios. 

I think the UBNT router platform is premature and would rather UBNT put all
their efforts into developing faster radio technology.

Best,

Brad

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Doug Clark
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 12:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product another router?

 


Matt,  Have to disagree with you here.  UBNT equipment does not just
run..

It locks up for no reason and requires a power cycle in order to come back.

 

If you want equipment that " JUST RUNS "  and requires no baby sitting that
equipment has a Cambium logo on it.

You pay dearly for it and I have a significant amount in my network but I am
not deploying it because the cost is too high and 

the bandwidth is too low.  UBNT equipment is very high maintainance and
super hard to diagnosis what the problem is when you have one.

 

With all that being said I am still currently only deploying UBNT and
actually taking down Canopy FSK to replace it with UBNT 2X2 

 

 

 

 

~Doug

---Original Message---

 

From: Matt Hoppes  

Date: 9/14/2012 9:42:32 AM

To: WISPA General List  

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti next product another router?

 

Greg,

I don't ever recall seeing bleeding-edge firmware with bugs released

from Ubiquiti unless you mean the betas?  But that's what they

are... betas.   Since 5.3.3 up to the current 5.5.2 release I haven't

had any problems with the final releases of software.

 

I can't count the number of Linksys, DLink, Hawking, whatever wireless

routers we've replaced for customers because they had problems with

their Internet.  We put in a Power AP-N, or an AirRouter and we never

hear from them again.

 

Truth be told... Ubiquiti equipment just runs... it doesn't need

rebooted.  It doesn't need babysat.  It just runs.

 

No I am not being paid to make these statements.  I just have many years

working in IT.  I've used Cisco, MikroTik, Alvarion, Motorola and now

Ubiquiti.  The Ubiquiti equipment just works.  I have a backhaul that's

been up for over a year with no reboots and no problems.

 

Matt Hoppes

Director of Information Technology

Indigo Wireless

+1 (570) 723-7312

 

On 9/14/12 11:20 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:

> Are people going to be able to tolerate the bleeding-edge cycle of

> bugs/firmware updates that has been the history with their wireless gear?

> 

> Once again they're breaking new ground, this time with low cost/high pps

> throughput. Will they be able to make it powerful (rich feature set)

> /and/ easy?

> 

> It's going to have to be really good to make people switch.

> 

> Maybe they're going for a niche market of people who want only features

> relevant to the WISP market (bandwidth management, bandwidth accounting

> etc, vlans) and not people who want a do-all box like MT which has a lot

> of features most WISPs probably don't use (BGP and the forwarding

> protocols come to mind).

> 

> Greg

> 

> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco

> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:

> 

> Hi all

> 

> I see that Ubiquiti is launching a new product, a router.

> 

> Well, personally, I do not think that it's a good idea, hard market
and

> I really do not see a real reason why I should buy the Ubiquiti router

> instead of other well knows products

> 

>   From my perspective the value or a core/edge router is not only in
the

> number of packets, it's more into the number of bugs and
instabilities.

> 

> A new product has less or more bugs/instabilities than others working

> since years in my network?

> 

> I am not sure that I want to restart thinking new workarounds for a
new

> brand.

> 

> Comments?

> 

> 

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> 

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> 

> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale

> 

> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo

> 

> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825

> Fax : +39-091-8772072 

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Jeff,

Always enjoy your input on the various topics discussed.  Keep me posted as
to where you end up.

Best,


Brad

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Subject: [WISPA] Next Step

Hi All,

This week my career with ImageStream/Blue Technology will come to an end.
It's been a 12 year run (to the day!) filled with highs and lows...but far
more highs. I've made lifelong friends, both co-workers and customers. I was
able to travel the world. We sold great products to great people. I want to
thank J.C. Utter, Scott Yoder, Doug Hass, and Laraine Mastrianna for the
trust and encouragement that they provided me at various points in those 12
years.

Working with WISPs and with WISPA has been, and will continue to be a
highlight of my career!  

I'm looking forward to where God will direct me for the next phase of my
career.  If you have any thoughts or potential opportunities, I'd LOVE to
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

[Brad Belton]

I've had a buy in all day at $7 hoping to catch a quick drop.  Might change
that to $8 and see if it gets filled.

 

Agreed that I would find it surprising for UBNT to stay at these low numbers
long term.

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jahan Babadi
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 1:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

I loaded up at 8.71 today.  Monday is a 100 M stock repurchase should
trigger a quick short sqeeze and or a gap retracement.  UBNT long term this
is a gift.

 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Forbes Mercy
 wrote:

It's down to $8.88!



On 8/10/2012 7:04 AM, James Howard wrote:

The lower the price, the more shares they can buy back with the $100M
repurchase.  That will also flush out some of the whiny investors who don't
really have any faith in the company.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 8:11 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

It will be interesting to watch today and Monday.that's for sure!  They beat
their earnings, warn about the effects of counterfeited product and announce
they intend to take this opportunity to buy back $100M worth of shares.  

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 3:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

Eh. I plan to reinvest heavily. The CEO is planning to purchase a ton of
stock. Why wouldn't he want it to go low?


On Aug 10, 2012, at 0:19, George Rogato  wrote:

After hours had a low of $6.90

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/ubnt/after-hours

There was a lot of transactions.



On 8/9/2012 7:05 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

Agreed.  I almost hit that $9ish range a week or so ago, but my order was
just a bit too late.  My stake in UBNT is very small, but have been
averaging down and it's been entertaining at the very least to watch.
Hoping to acquire a few more shares tomorrow if the price is right!

 

Vegas or the stock market.almost the same entertainment "rush".lol

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

If you still have faith in the company, now is a good time to buy down your
cost basis.

On 08/09/2012 05:44 PM, Doug Clark wrote: 


Have you ever had 100,000 barrels of oil that you purchased at 110.00 per
barrel that you are sitting on and then overnight

the price per barrel drops to 75.00 per barrel?  ON SALE HUH??   

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Zach Mann <mailto:zma...@gmail.com> 

Date: 8/9/2012 4:45:42 PM

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

Sweet!  It's on sale... 

On Aug 9, 2012 5:40 PM, "Doug Clark"  wrote:


I just suddenly got very ill 

 

 

 

 

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From: Faisal Imtiaz <mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net> 

Date: 8/9/2012 4:31:54 PM

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 

Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

OUCH !

 

Anyone following this stuff...

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/ubnt

 

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Snappy Internet & Telecom

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Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

[Brad Belton]

Yes, but where is the “bottom”?  I’m actually happy with $9, but if I can get 
it at $7 that would even be better!  

 

The infamous Gordon Gekko quote:

 

“The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is 
good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures 
the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for 
life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind.”

 

Lol…

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

I say keep on going. I plan to buy a bunch when I think it's bottomed out 
today. 




On Aug 10, 2012, at 10:04, James Howard  wrote:

The lower the price, the more shares they can buy back with the $100M 
repurchase.  That will also flush out some of the whiny investors who don’t 
really have any faith in the company.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 8:11 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

It will be interesting to watch today and Monday…that’s for sure!  They beat 
their earnings, warn about the effects of counterfeited product and announce 
they intend to take this opportunity to buy back $100M worth of shares.  

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 3:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

Eh. I plan to reinvest heavily. The CEO is planning to purchase a ton of stock. 
Why wouldn't he want it to go low?


On Aug 10, 2012, at 0:19, George Rogato  wrote:

After hours had a low of $6.90

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/ubnt/after-hours

There was a lot of transactions.



On 8/9/2012 7:05 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

Agreed.  I almost hit that $9ish range a week or so ago, but my order was just 
a bit too late.  My stake in UBNT is very small, but have been averaging down 
and it’s been entertaining at the very least to watch.  Hoping to acquire a few 
more shares tomorrow if the price is right!

 

Vegas or the stock market…almost the same entertainment “rush”…lol

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

If you still have faith in the company, now is a good time to buy down your 
cost basis.

On 08/09/2012 05:44 PM, Doug Clark wrote: 


Have you ever had 100,000 barrels of oil that you purchased at 110.00 per 
barrel that you are sitting on and then overnight

the price per barrel drops to 75.00 per barrel?  ON SALE HUH??   

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Zach Mann <mailto:zma...@gmail.com> 

Date: 8/9/2012 4:45:42 PM

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

Sweet!  It's on sale... 

On Aug 9, 2012 5:40 PM, "Doug Clark"  wrote:


I just suddenly got very ill 

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Faisal Imtiaz <mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net> 

Date: 8/9/2012 4:31:54 PM

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 

Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

OUCH !

 

Anyone following this stuff...

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/ubnt

 

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Snappy Internet & Telecom

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It will be interesting to watch today and Monday…that’s for sure!  They beat 
their earnings, warn about the effects of counterfeited product and announce 
they intend to take this opportunity to buy back $100M worth of shares.  

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 3:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

Eh. I plan to reinvest heavily. The CEO is planning to purchase a ton of stock. 
Why wouldn't he want it to go low?




On Aug 10, 2012, at 0:19, George Rogato  wrote:

After hours had a low of $6.90

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/ubnt/after-hours

There was a lot of transactions.



On 8/9/2012 7:05 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

Agreed.  I almost hit that $9ish range a week or so ago, but my order was just 
a bit too late.  My stake in UBNT is very small, but have been averaging down 
and it’s been entertaining at the very least to watch.  Hoping to acquire a few 
more shares tomorrow if the price is right!

 

Vegas or the stock market…almost the same entertainment “rush”…lol

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

If you still have faith in the company, now is a good time to buy down your 
cost basis.

On 08/09/2012 05:44 PM, Doug Clark wrote: 


Have you ever had 100,000 barrels of oil that you purchased at 110.00 per 
barrel that you are sitting on and then overnight

the price per barrel drops to 75.00 per barrel?  ON SALE HUH??   

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Zach Mann <mailto:zma...@gmail.com> 

Date: 8/9/2012 4:45:42 PM

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

Sweet!  It's on sale... 

On Aug 9, 2012 5:40 PM, "Doug Clark"  wrote:


I just suddenly got very ill 

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Faisal Imtiaz <mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net> 

Date: 8/9/2012 4:31:54 PM

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 

Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

OUCH !

 

Anyone following this stuff...

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/ubnt

 

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Snappy Internet & Telecom

7266 SW 48 Street

Miami, Fl 33155

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

[Brad Belton]

Agreed.  I almost hit that $9ish range a week or so ago, but my order was
just a bit too late.  My stake in UBNT is very small, but have been
averaging down and it's been entertaining at the very least to watch.
Hoping to acquire a few more shares tomorrow if the price is right!

 

Vegas or the stock market.almost the same entertainment "rush".lol

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

If you still have faith in the company, now is a good time to buy down your
cost basis.

On 08/09/2012 05:44 PM, Doug Clark wrote: 


Have you ever had 100,000 barrels of oil that you purchased at 110.00 per
barrel that you are sitting on and then overnight

the price per barrel drops to 75.00 per barrel?  ON SALE HUH??   

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Zach Mann  

Date: 8/9/2012 4:45:42 PM

To: WISPA General List  

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

Sweet!  It's on sale... 

On Aug 9, 2012 5:40 PM, "Doug Clark"  wrote:


I just suddenly got very ill 

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Faisal Imtiaz  

Date: 8/9/2012 4:31:54 PM

To: WISPA General List  

Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

 

OUCH !

 

Anyone following this stuff...

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/ubnt

 

--

Faisal Imtiaz

Snappy Internet & Telecom

7266 SW 48 Street

Miami, Fl 33155

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

Helpdesk: 305 663 5518   option 2 Email:
supp...@snappydsl.net

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

[Brad Belton]

Rick,

Exactly the point I'm trying to make.listing every ZIP Code in the country
wouldn't do the potential client or potential provider any good.  That is
why I suggest listing the ZIP Codes the potential client is interested in
and the providers that feel they can serve the area immediately (or expand
their coverage to earn the business) can respond.

I would be very surprised to learn that we are the only provider that will
build out or expand network coverage in order to acquire a new account!  So,
the idea of a provider listing only ZIP Codes that they currently cover
would be considered short sighted.IMO.

I'll add that the street runs both ways as well.  We have facilitated many
circuits within our network for third parties.

Best,

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

 

Brad,

I don't think our database could accept that many and it would not give us
an accurate picture of wireless coverage either.  The member's zip code map
is also generated from this information.  I assume when more details are
known, you will get the opportunity to bid on various locations, whether
wirelessly or by data circuit (hardline).

Rick

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 1:09 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

 

We have facilitated several data circuits around the country.  Should we
simply list every ZIP Code in the country?  

Best,

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:06 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

 

At this point, they seem to be unaware of the database.  I did not tell him
about it yet.  It was not their idea to update the database, it was mine as
I need cooperation from the individual wisps to bring business to your door.
The last time I looked, I believe only about 40% of the members had updated
the zip code information.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Doug Clark
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

 


I am sure that is why they are wanting the database updated  To
contact only those people that are serving the zip codes of the client   

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 

Date: 8/3/2012 10:42:54 AM

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 

Cc: memb...@wispa.org

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

 

Where are the 70 locations? 


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Rick Harnish  wrote:

Members,

 

I was just called by a company with a large client who is looking for 10-100
Mbps service to 70 locations around the US.  They are willing to assist in
getting roof rights to help the individual providers accomplish this service
level.  Although service is needed on a temporary basis, the company is
willing to annualize the subscription rate and renew temporary service as
needed.  They understand the costs involved and are willing to pay
substantial fees to the fixed wireless providers that are able to help them
accomplish their needs.  I'm not going to tell you much more than that, but
it is in the upper five figures for temporary service.

 

This is one reason why it is essential that we get zip codes in our database
from each member company, so that you can reap the benefits of such
opportunities.  Deals like this come along once in a while and we need to
have a rapid method of finding Wisps (members) in these locations rapidly.
Opportunities like this are one of the reasons, I continue to be excited
about our industry and work hard to facilitate and promote our member
services and needs.  Please assist me by updating your company profiles with
the zip codes you serve so that we can help you drive your revenue higher
and higher.

 

To do this and please follow the directions closely:

1.   Go to the WISPA website.

2.   Go to My WISPA and then My Profile in the main navigation bar below
the WISPA logo.

3.   Once you click on My Profile, you will be presented a Login screen
<https://netforum.avectra.com/eweb/DynamicPage.aspx?WebCode=LoginRequired&Si
te=WISPA> .  Your username should be your email address we have on file and
your password is whatever you have changed it to or the default password is
Password1, which you will need to change.  There is an opportun

Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

[Brad Belton]

We have facilitated several data circuits around the country.  Should we
simply list every ZIP Code in the country?  

Best,

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:06 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

 

At this point, they seem to be unaware of the database.  I did not tell him
about it yet.  It was not their idea to update the database, it was mine as
I need cooperation from the individual wisps to bring business to your door.
The last time I looked, I believe only about 40% of the members had updated
the zip code information.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Doug Clark
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

 


I am sure that is why they are wanting the database updated  To
contact only those people that are serving the zip codes of the client   

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Josh Luthman  

Date: 8/3/2012 10:42:54 AM

To: WISPA General List  

Cc: memb...@wispa.org

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

 

Where are the 70 locations? 


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Rick Harnish  wrote:

Members,

 

I was just called by a company with a large client who is looking for 10-100
Mbps service to 70 locations around the US.  They are willing to assist in
getting roof rights to help the individual providers accomplish this service
level.  Although service is needed on a temporary basis, the company is
willing to annualize the subscription rate and renew temporary service as
needed.  They understand the costs involved and are willing to pay
substantial fees to the fixed wireless providers that are able to help them
accomplish their needs.  I'm not going to tell you much more than that, but
it is in the upper five figures for temporary service.

 

This is one reason why it is essential that we get zip codes in our database
from each member company, so that you can reap the benefits of such
opportunities.  Deals like this come along once in a while and we need to
have a rapid method of finding Wisps (members) in these locations rapidly.
Opportunities like this are one of the reasons, I continue to be excited
about our industry and work hard to facilitate and promote our member
services and needs.  Please assist me by updating your company profiles with
the zip codes you serve so that we can help you drive your revenue higher
and higher.

 

To do this and please follow the directions closely:

1.   Go to the WISPA website.

2.   Go to My WISPA and then My Profile in the main navigation bar below
the WISPA logo.

3.   Once you click on My Profile, you will be presented a Login screen
 .  Your username should be your email address we have on file and
your password is whatever you have changed it to or the default password is
Password1, which you will need to change.  There is an opportunity to
request your password to be sent to you on this page if you have forgotten
it.

4.   If you have trouble with this, you may have logged in to Memberfuse
in the top right hand corner of the WISPA homepage.  You should be able to
go back to the Homepage and start over at Item 2 above.

5.   Once logged in, you should be presented with an Individual
Information page.  This is your individual profile that you can edit.
However, below your personal name and info, you will see your company name
below under Organization Information.  Click on your company name (it is a
link).  This takes you to your Organization Profile. 

6.   Click on Edit Information in the Organization Profile and go to the
large data field near the bottom of the form, which calls for zip codes.  

7.   Enter the zip codes in comma delimited fashion such as 46777,
46750, 46430, ..  MAKE SURE YOU PUT A SPACE AFTER EACH COMMA!  THIS IS
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

8.   Save 

 

This company wants to move quickly and thus, you need to move quickly in
updating your information.  This may be the best time you spend today or
over the weekend.  Try to keep this updated on no more than a quarterly
basis as I'm sure other opportunities will arrive and we will need updated
information to assist you in gaining high dollar clients.

 

If you are not a member, this is a very good reason to become one.  Either
go to the Online Store

and purchase a principal membership or go to http://signup.wispa.org and
fill out the form.  The Online Store is the quickest way to activate your
membership.

 

 

Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

[Brad Belton]

Exactly.  We've acquired many high value accounts that otherwise would have
been lost if the client got the incorrect impression that we couldn't serve
them.

 

A better approach would be for Rick to list the 70 ZIP codes and let the
membership speak up if they feel they can service the area.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

 

Well if I'm 5 miles away from a zipcode and have a 400 foot tower ready to
throw up a backhaul on there and they can pay for it, but I'm not already in
that zip code then they'll never know I'm next door =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Doug Clark  wrote:


I am sure that is why they are wanting the database updated  To
contact only those people that are serving the zip codes of the client   

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Josh Luthman  

Date: 8/3/2012 10:42:54 AM

To: WISPA General List  

Cc: memb...@wispa.org

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Opportunity, don't ignore this email

 

Where are the 70 locations? 


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Rick Harnish  wrote:

Members,

 

I was just called by a company with a large client who is looking for 10-100
Mbps service to 70 locations around the US.  They are willing to assist in
getting roof rights to help the individual providers accomplish this service
level.  Although service is needed on a temporary basis, the company is
willing to annualize the subscription rate and renew temporary service as
needed.  They understand the costs involved and are willing to pay
substantial fees to the fixed wireless providers that are able to help them
accomplish their needs.  I'm not going to tell you much more than that, but
it is in the upper five figures for temporary service.

 

This is one reason why it is essential that we get zip codes in our database
from each member company, so that you can reap the benefits of such
opportunities.  Deals like this come along once in a while and we need to
have a rapid method of finding Wisps (members) in these locations rapidly.
Opportunities like this are one of the reasons, I continue to be excited
about our industry and work hard to facilitate and promote our member
services and needs.  Please assist me by updating your company profiles with
the zip codes you serve so that we can help you drive your revenue higher
and higher.

 

To do this and please follow the directions closely:

1.   Go to the WISPA website.

2.   Go to My WISPA and then My Profile in the main navigation bar below
the WISPA logo.

3.   Once you click on My Profile, you will be presented a Login screen
 .  Your username should be your email address we have on file and
your password is whatever you have changed it to or the default password is
Password1, which you will need to change.  There is an opportunity to
request your password to be sent to you on this page if you have forgotten
it.

4.   If you have trouble with this, you may have logged in to Memberfuse
in the top right hand corner of the WISPA homepage.  You should be able to
go back to the Homepage and start over at Item 2 above.

5.   Once logged in, you should be presented with an Individual
Information page.  This is your individual profile that you can edit.
However, below your personal name and info, you will see your company name
below under Organization Information.  Click on your company name (it is a
link).  This takes you to your Organization Profile. 

6.   Click on Edit Information in the Organization Profile and go to the
large data field near the bottom of the form, which calls for zip codes.  

7.   Enter the zip codes in comma delimited fashion such as 46777,
46750, 46430, ..  MAKE SURE YOU PUT A SPACE AFTER EACH COMMA!  THIS IS
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

8.   Save 

 

This company wants to move quickly and thus, you need to move quickly in
updating your information.  This may be the best time you spend today or
over the weekend.  Try to keep this updated on no more than a quarterly
basis as I'm sure other opportunities will arrive and we will need updated
information to assist you in gaining high dollar clients.

 

If you are not a member, this is a very good reason to become one.  Either
go to the Online Store

and purchase a principal membership or go to http://signup.wispa.org and
fill out the form.  The Online Store is the quickest way to activate your
membership.

 

 

Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only?

[Brad Belton]

Interesting.  We have a few Apex & ApexPlus radios deployed and haven't seen
this.  We have preferred to use the GigaPlus in most cases.  What are the
Apex radios plugged into?  (e.g. Cisco, MikroTik Routerboards, switches etc,
etc.)  Does the cable distance make a difference?  

Are you seeing this with the SFP port too?

Thanks,

Brad 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only?

On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Brad Belton  wrote:

> If you are experiencing traffic lockups & Ethernet instability on 
> several of Trango's models I would suggest looking into what common 
> denominators are in play on these links.  We have not had the trouble 
> you are seeing with Trango radios.

We've been working with Trango from day one on this issue which is now going
on its 10th month with no resolution. Trango seems to believe this a problem
with the Broadcom ethernet chipset in the Apex and ApexPlus radios. The
problem doesn't seem to be related to our network as we can replace a
problematic link with a Trango GigaPlus or DragonWave Horizon Compact and
the problem goes away.

The only common denominator is those particular Trango models.

--
Blake Covarrubias

> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:31 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a DragonWave Horizon Compact, and an AirPair 100 in the network 
> & I've never experienced an issue like this on either unit. Both have 
> been rock solid since installed. Sorry, but I don't think I can be 
> much of assistance with these.
> 
> What you described sounds like something I'd see on a Trango. I've 
> experienced similar traffic lockups & ethernet instability on several 
> of their models. A reboot always 'fixes' it.
> 
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
> 
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Troy Settle  wrote:
> 
>> I have a backbone with 5 licensed links.  Each link is switched to 
>> the
> next, forming a continuous L2 network.
>> 
>> Yesterday evening, we had a partial breakdown on the very last link.  
>> I
> could see traffic /from/ the far end, but the far end was unable to 
> see traffic from this side.  I could see discovery packets, I could 
> see OSPF multicast traffic.  I could even see some stuff from a few 
> devices that are bridged or switched in on the other side of the link.
>> 
>> The last device that was responsive to me, was the Horizon Compact on 
>> the
> near side of that last link.  Nothing notable in the logs, so I reboot 
> and a few minutes later, everything is back to normal.
>> 
>> I can't find much of anything in terms of peer-to-peer support for
> Dragonwave equipment, so I figured I'd ask here. does anyone have any 
> experience they wouldn't mind sharing about Dragonwaves?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -Troy
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only?

[Brad Belton]

I've only seen this behavior twice from a Trango radio...it pains me to
admit the first time was user error.  This happened during a new
installation.  I was in a hurry.it turned out that one side had "opmode"
enabled and the other was not yet turned on!  That'll pretty much guarantee
one way traffic.

The second time was a faulty GigaLINK 11GHz ODU (Serial # 0007).   After
years of reliable service, this path would at random times begin to lose
link lock status on one side.  Trango Support was extremely responsive (as
always) and ultimately identified which of the four components (IDU or ODU)
needed to be replaced.  This was not an easy task given the random nature of
the problem, but extremely helpful given the location of this link.  Trango
saved us countless man hours by positively identifying which IDU or ODU was
faulty prior to us making the trip out to the site.

If you are experiencing traffic lockups & Ethernet instability on several of
Trango's models I would suggest looking into what common denominators are in
play on these links.  We have not had the trouble you are seeing with Trango
radios.

Best,

Brad


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only?

Hi,

I have a DragonWave Horizon Compact, and an AirPair 100 in the network &
I've never experienced an issue like this on either unit. Both have been
rock solid since installed. Sorry, but I don't think I can be much of
assistance with these.

What you described sounds like something I'd see on a Trango. I've
experienced similar traffic lockups & ethernet instability on several of
their models. A reboot always 'fixes' it.

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Troy Settle  wrote:

> I have a backbone with 5 licensed links.  Each link is switched to the
next, forming a continuous L2 network.
>  
> Yesterday evening, we had a partial breakdown on the very last link.  I
could see traffic /from/ the far end, but the far end was unable to see
traffic from this side.  I could see discovery packets, I could see OSPF
multicast traffic.  I could even see some stuff from a few devices that are
bridged or switched in on the other side of the link.
>  
> The last device that was responsive to me, was the Horizon Compact on the
near side of that last link.  Nothing notable in the logs, so I reboot and a
few minutes later, everything is back to normal.
>  
> I can't find much of anything in terms of peer-to-peer support for
Dragonwave equipment, so I figured I'd ask here. does anyone have any
experience they wouldn't mind sharing about Dragonwaves?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> -Troy
>  
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Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government.

[Brad Belton]

I think the point of the article is once big government got out of the way,
private interests (i.e. businesses) ran with the idea and it flourished.  

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to
justify big government.

 

At 7/31/2012 08:57 AM, Cliff Lebouef wrote:




Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?

7/24/12 The Wall Street Journal


Yes, Crovitz' article got some serious reactions from the people who were
actually there, the Internet old timers.  He began by confusing "Ethernet"
with "Internet", perhaps because they rhyme and are both high-techy things,
which to a finance guy like him make them equivalent.  Then he completely
distorts the history of the ARPANET and how the Internet evolved from it.
He wasn't there.  I was, and I was at BBN in the 1970s when we were building
the ARPANET for the government.  And I was at BBN in 1994 when they bought
three of the previously government-sponsored NSFnet regional nets from their
university owners and created a commercial ISP business.

Just goes to show you that when Rupert Murdoch wants to spread a lie, he'll
spread a real whopper.




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Re: [WISPA] DFS2 gear

[Brad Belton]

" The every day, CAnopy versus Trango thread :-) "

First it was the Proxim vs. Sunstream (aka Trango)  threads with Allen M.

Winner = Sunstream (aka Trango)


Second it was Alvarion vs. Trango threads with Patrick L.

Winner = Trango


Third it was Canopy vs. Trango threads.I forget the huge Canopy
proponent.

Winner =   Trango was a better product, but Canopy PtMP is
still here!


I'm just glad Trango finally listened to some of their clients and moved
away from the "cheaper is better/race to the bottom" product and moved into
the licensed arena!  Now Trango needs to stop trying to compete with
RadioWaves and focus on continuing to build better/faster licensed radios.


We too still have many Trango radios in the air plugging along very nicely.
We only recently pulled the last of the Sunstream radios offline.  I think a
couple of those have earned a home in our little hardware archive collection
and be spared from the landfill.   Lol


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DFS2 gear

No question that Canopy stayed in the PtMP game longer, to go beyond the
10mb barrier, with advantage line and OFDM..

But to keep it real  At a typical Trango Link Budget / Max distance,
inserting a legacy Canopy w/ its inferior small antenna size and weaker link
budget, Canopy would be lucky to get 5mbps, if it could even associate in
our noise floor.  How quickly its forgotten, the Canopy 8db AP integ
antenna, and Trango's 14db-18db AP integ antenna, gaining Trango the winning
link budget, even after considering the C/I.  It brings back memories of the
past.. The every day, CAnopy versus Trango thread :-)


Tom DeReggi
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- Original Message -
From: "Jeromie Reeves" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DFS2 gear


> Yup, Its been 10 years since I used it in my wisp. When the next line
> came out it did no better then Atheros based radios in my environment
> and cost 5x as much to deploy. I do not have a business rich
> environment, and even if I did, they do not like $500 installs and
> $100/mo. This makes my primary target residential users. Ubnt delivers
> now, just not in 5.4-5.7 and I have pressure
> to expand as well as have room to move around a competitor who has 5.4
> links now but wants to replace them with 5.8. There is no (or very
> little) 5.8 room due to how and where both of our towers sit.
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Gino Villarini  
> wrote:
>> Yikes, seem ages you haven't looked at Canopy, Classic Aps do 14 Mbps, 
>> new ones 45 Mbps, next one (Q2 2012) 90 Mbps
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 9:40 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DFS2 gear
>>
>> A contact at the FCC told me years ago that it meant you can not do /new/

>> installs of the old DFS gear. Anyone have a FCC rep saying something 
>> different?
>>
>> Why not Canopy? $2000 AP's, $400 CPE and 3~4mbit. I am sure that has came

>> down since my first Canopy pack back in the pre-nehalm(sp) days.
>>
>> Looking at Axxcelera. Might be in the same vein and Canopy. Anyone with 
>> experience that wants to share? I do not want to just buy a stop gap 
>> product that will work till Ubnt get their stuff ready.
>> This is going to be direction we head in once we find gear.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...

[Brad Belton]

Ok sorry, but this is where I check out on this thread..

 

BTW, I'm interested in starting a car company using four black round things
to make it roll..me like cars.  

 

You know there's something to be said for companies like McDonalds.  Before
you're allowed to own one you required to flip a few burgers and clean a few
toilets.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rich _
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...

 

What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a connection
using one of those 1"x3" USB things?



 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

None that I know of.  Those are the companies like Clear and OpenRange.
That model doesn't seem to financially or operationally/technically work.

Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical space (grain
leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the customer roof.  From the CPE
side, a lot like satellite.  Low profile but it is there.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, "Rich _"  wrote:

How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something
other than a WISP?



 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow  wrote:

Rich,
Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of
reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will
be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install.  Trust me, there
are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out
since this industry started.

As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to
what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed
spectrum they are having a tough time making it work.  And I think it is
precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking
for.

If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional,
professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a
working business model.  Sure their return on investment would be higher
due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to
getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break
even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has
already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop
in the bucket.


Rich _ wrote:
> Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA.
>
> But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located.
> I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the
> business.
>
> Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical
> partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope
> available equipment is quite stable and reliable?
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  > wrote:
>
> Hi Rich,
> WISPA General List is actually a Global List.
> It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if
> you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in
> the US.
>
> My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to
> suggest that you should consider some other business other than
> being a WISP.
>
> However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you
> may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner
> to build a business together.
>
> The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough
> business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and
> get your hands dirty.
>
>
> Regards and Good Luck.
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155

> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518   
option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net 

>
>
> On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I operate in the custom software development industry and am
>> considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I
>> know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of
>> you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be
>> glad to answer any software development questions you may have
>> that I can answer or that I can get an answer for.
>>
>> I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the
>> low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and
>> beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever
>> install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself.
>>
>> What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My
>> first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the
>> customer to start using the service. If there is a partic

Re: [WISPA] New Stuff from MUM

[Brad Belton]

Agreed..Facebook?  Really?  

 

Maybe Dennis will have an iCarly.com link soon too!  Lol.J/K Dennis.couldn't
resist!

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 4:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stuff from MUM

 

Give it a bit, someone will just tell us.  I have a Facebook account and I'm
not even going to bother.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:

And you would assume everyone that wants to know about MT uses Facebook
because ?



On 10/14/2011 2:01 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: 

Check our facebook page J  

 

Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training   -
Author of   "Learn RouterOS"

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:16 AM
To: a...@afmug.com; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)
Subject: [WISPA] New Stuff from MUM

 

Any new announcements in hardware?

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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Re: [WISPA] Coverage at 1533 Chalk Hill Road, Dallas, TX?

[Brad Belton]

Hello Tom,

We can easily reach that location.  Send me any additional details you can
provide off list and we'll see what we can do for you.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Sharples
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Coverage at 1533 Chalk Hill Road, Dallas, TX?


Anyone? We need a static ip with 1+ meg upload speed. This is for a video
surveillance app. We can provide 12 or 48 volts POE from our solar plant on
the premises.  Currently using 3G - poor results at this location, and no
DSL or cable available.

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Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation

[Brad Belton]

Agreed, we keep the phones separate from the PCs on LANs with more than a
few users.  Makes troubleshooting much easier in the event something goes
awry down the road.

That is a decent price for a 24port PoE switch.  We've standardized on the
Dell switches and have been very happy.  We really appreciate Dell's use of
a common, intuitive user interface throughout their switch line.

Dell prices are better than what is published on their site once you have
established an account and start doing a little business.  For example on
the discount, the PowerConnect 2824 costs us 179.00 rather than the 269.00
they list on their site.  I haven't priced it yet, but my guess is the
equivalent Dell PoE switch will be more expensive than the NewEgg Netgear
deal Travis posted.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation

Why would you need GigE for the phones? Or are you running the PC's off the
phones as well? We keep the PC and phone on separate networks entirely.

Travis
Microserv


On 4/25/2011 9:41 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> The one I'm looking at has all 24 ports 10/100/1000.
>
> Appreciate this one too though - for the price difference we may stick 
> with 10/100 for now
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> > From: Travis Johnson[mailto:t...@ida.net]
> Sent: 4/25/2011 10:39:20 AM
> To  : wireless@wispa.org
> Cc  :
> Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation
>
>   Sorry guess the one I got was a little different:
>
>   http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122177
>
> Not sure what's different about this one vs. yours...
> other than double
> the price. :)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> On 4/25/2011 9:24 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
>> We like that one, and I've always had good luck with Netgear, but 
>> also open to other suggestions.  Where did you get it for $350?  
>> Cheapest I can find is in the $600 range...
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>>  From: Travis Johnson[ mailto:t...@ida.net ]
>> Sent: 4/25/2011 10:19:42 AM
>> To  : wireless@wispa.org
>> Cc  :
>> Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] 24port POE switch recommendation
>>
>>Why not the Netgear switch you listed? We just installed one and 
>> it seems to work great, especially for $350 for 24 ports that are 
>> PoE, with GigE uplinks.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> On 4/25/2011 9:11 AM, ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote:
>>> I know this is slightly OT, but anyone have a recommendation for a 
>>> 24-port POE switch - similar to the NETGEAR GS724TP-100NAS, or 
>>> possibly two 8-port switches.  Prefer something managed but not 100% 
>>> necessary.  Will be used to run POE powered VoIP phones primarily.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] SonicWall Proxy-ARP

[Brad Belton]

I could not agree MORE!  Some of these SonicWall resellers are cult like in
their defense of the product so, beware.  If there is any trouble with
anything at all it absolutely cannot be the SonicWall's fault...

Lol

Brad


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] SonicWall Proxy-ARP


Friends don't let friends use sonicwalls.



On 4/13/11, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
> Anyone know how to turn this off? We can't find the setting.
>
> Had an issue where the SonicWall answered ARP requests from our edge 
> router for about 150 IP's
>
> apparently I'm not the first.
>
> Jerry
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik or ubiquiti with fiber interface?

[Brad Belton]

Thank you!

Brad


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Brad Belton wrote:
> Hello Mike,
>
> Do you have any data sheets on this up and coming RB2100?  I'd love to 
> learn more about it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik or ubiquiti with fiber interface?
>
> The only device in that category is the RouterBoard 2100, which isn't 
> out yet.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 3/29/2011 12:17 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>   
>> Dear members
>>
>> do you have any suggestion for mikrotik/ubiquiti devices with native 
>> fiber interface?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik or ubiquiti with fiber interface?

[Brad Belton]

Hmmmmust have overlooked the email from MikroTIk.  However,
http://www.titanwirelessonline.com just emailed me the information on the
RB2100.

Looks interesting...wish it was all GigE ports and had more of them.  Glad
to see it has a USB port and is rack mountable!  However, I'm concerned the
are marketing this as a low cost router...makes me fear it will have a poor
CPU.

Thanks!

Brad


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I don't have any readily available, but what is publicly available was
emailed, on their forum, on several blogs, etc.

It only has 1 SFP port.

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On 3/29/2011 12:38 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
> Hello Mike,
>
> Do you have any data sheets on this up and coming RB2100?  I'd love to 
> learn more about it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:29 PM
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>
> The only device in that category is the RouterBoard 2100, which isn't 
> out yet.
>
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> On 3/29/2011 12:17 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> Dear members
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>> do you have any suggestion for mikrotik/ubiquiti devices with native 
>> fiber interface?
>>
>> Thank you
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik or ubiquiti with fiber interface?

[Brad Belton]

Hello Mike,

Do you have any data sheets on this up and coming RB2100?  I'd love to learn
more about it.

Thanks,

Brad

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The only device in that category is the RouterBoard 2100, which isn't out
yet.

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> do you have any suggestion for mikrotik/ubiquiti devices with native 
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Principal Members Map Updated

[Brad Belton]

lol…neither do we.  

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of ch...@htswireless.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Principal Members Map Updated

 

I don’t even show up on there...

 

 

Chris Hudson
Hudson Technology Solutions, Inc.
214 W Main St.
Weatherford, OK 73096
Office: 580-772-2224

 

From: Rick Harnish   

Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:16 PM

To: 'WISPA General List'   

Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Principal Members Map Updated

 

This has been fixed Cameron.  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Principal Members Map Updated

 

Rick, I noticed that our phone number on the vendor map is incorrect. It should 
be 817-764-0956. I'm not sure what the 920 number is that is on there.

Regards,

Cameron

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Rick Harnish  wrote:

http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170

 

To join WISPA, go to http://signup.wispa.org

 

Attend the Orlando Service Provider Summit March 23-25 
 

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org

 

 





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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Brad Belton]

Hello Kevin,

 

Starting to sound like this project is taking shape!  Keep me posted and can
we get an updated bullet point list of the feature set you are thinking?

 

Maybe the output voltage should be just a simple pass-through from whatever
redundant power supplies the end user selects for their PoE equipment?  This
may help "future proof" the PoE Controller from possible vendor changes like
UBNT is considering. (e.g. 24VDC to 48VDC) 

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

It'd have a web interface with SNMP support. Yeah, 12 port.

 

Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Nash <mailto:markl...@uwol.net>  

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Yes, better.  At this time, we only use AC to power devices.

Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features...

Also also, number of ports should = 12

At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would
take about 20.

On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: 

I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a
non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned
that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their
current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync
signal, so this wouldn't work for that.

 Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or
48v?

I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450
number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been
discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that
more appealing?

 

Thanks!

Kevin

 

- Original Message - 

From: Brad Belton <mailto:b...@belwave.com>  

To: 'WISPA General List' <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  

Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Hello Kevin,

I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would
have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise.  If a HUB site requires
more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in
equipment, IMO.

Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge
suppression is found in today's PoE's?  

24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you saying the DC
input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus?

1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.

Keep us posted.

Best,

Brad

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people
are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3.
Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
something that was:

Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
transformer.

If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know
is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of
100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer
mid-May.

Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Nash <mailto:markl...@uwol.net>  

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
for??? ;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: 

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a "Auto-Ping"
feature they'll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
flawlessly. 

Powered the UBNT PB5 on 

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Brad Belton]

Yep, even tried the serial port etc.nada.nothing.  I'm willing to try the
"new & improved" version with the LCD screen, but if one of those fails
pre-maturely than we're done with them for good.

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

If it looses it's ip then yes. Did you try the default ip? I always kept an
address block in the DL default range on my routers just in case.

Cameron

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:

Hey Cameron,

 

Yah, I remember this topic coming up before, but the failures we've had
(that come quickly to mind) are no access to the unit at all.  Does the
battery issue prevent the unit from working even when power is restored?  

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:54 AM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Brad,

A tip on the Loggers 8 port...there is a rechargeable battery inside that
doesn't seem to last more than a year. Once it dies, you lose your config
and if the device ever looses power, everything comes back in either all off
state or all on state. I tossed one logger and then when it happened to a
second, I decided to tinker. I got a replacement battery at batteries plus
and it started working correctly again, saving my config after a power
outage. I'm not sure what can be done about it except to put them on a
maintenance schedule. Of course this was on the older devicesmaybe
they've gone to flash memory now?

Cameron

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Brad Belton  wrote:

We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port
rack mount rebooter.  Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the
market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what
we've seen out of them the past several years.

 

I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available.
Maybe this version is more reliable?  I've also read that the DIN mount
style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style.  Maybe Kevin
could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs
and development.

 

While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat..let's
not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller.

 

I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the need?
Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their
AirControl System management software.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Kevin, 

On cost:  With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a
Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a
router or switch.

If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based)
and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350
value).

Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all
your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that
much.

On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: 

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people
are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3.
Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
something that was:

 

Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

 

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
transformer.

 

If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know
is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of
100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer
mid-May.

 

Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Nash <mailto:markl...@uwol.net>  

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Brad Belton]

Hey Cameron,

 

Yah, I remember this topic coming up before, but the failures we've had
(that come quickly to mind) are no access to the unit at all.  Does the
battery issue prevent the unit from working even when power is restored?  

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Brad,

A tip on the Loggers 8 port...there is a rechargeable battery inside that
doesn't seem to last more than a year. Once it dies, you lose your config
and if the device ever looses power, everything comes back in either all off
state or all on state. I tossed one logger and then when it happened to a
second, I decided to tinker. I got a replacement battery at batteries plus
and it started working correctly again, saving my config after a power
outage. I'm not sure what can be done about it except to put them on a
maintenance schedule. Of course this was on the older devicesmaybe
they've gone to flash memory now?

Cameron

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Brad Belton  wrote:

We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port
rack mount rebooter.  Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the
market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what
we've seen out of them the past several years.

 

I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available.
Maybe this version is more reliable?  I've also read that the DIN mount
style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style.  Maybe Kevin
could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs
and development.

 

While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat..let's
not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller.

 

I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the need?
Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their
AirControl System management software.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Kevin, 

On cost:  With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a
Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a
router or switch.

If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based)
and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350
value).

Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all
your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that
much.

On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: 

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people
are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3.
Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
something that was:

 

Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

 

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
transformer.

 

If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know
is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of
100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer
mid-May.

 

Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Nash <mailto:markl...@uwol.net>  

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
for??? ;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: 

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a "Auto-Ping"
feature they'll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
flawlessly. 

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Friday, Febru

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Brad Belton]

Agreed...but I have much better things to do with my time!  Lol

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

With the Din Rail unit, some cat5 jacks a rack mount box, some diodes and some 
time you can hack yourself the perfect box

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mark Nash
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Michael, I'm not talking about the PoE controller itself being POWERED by AC or 
DC... I'm talking about the unit itself having a couple AC ports that can power 
a router & switch as well as having PoE ports that can power all of the 
wireless devices at the site.

On 3/3/2011 9:17 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote:
> We use the inscape data switches/pdu/poe, they work very well can use AC or 
> DC power. They are bit more then the target pricing (I get them for similar 
> to $500). They do 12/18/24 and 802.3, but are limited to a 5 port only model.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brad Belton"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:01:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
>
>
>
>
>
> We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port 
> rack mount rebooter. Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the 
> market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what 
> we’ve seen out of them the past several years.
>
>
>
> I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available. 
> Maybe this version is more reliable? I’ve also read that the DIN mount style 
> rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style. Maybe Kevin could 
> somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs and 
> development.
>
>
>
> While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s 
> not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller.
>
>
>
> I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need? 
> Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their 
> AirControl System management software.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Mark Nash
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
>
>
>
> Kevin,
>
> On cost: With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a 
> Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a 
> router or switch.
>
> If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) 
> and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 
> value).
>
> Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all 
> your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much.
>
> On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
>
>
> So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people 
> are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. 
> Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold 
> something that was:
>
>
>
>
>
> Remote on/off per port
>
>
> Auto-ping reboot per port
>
>
> Dual-power supply, with notification on fail
>
>
> DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v
>
>
> The one we are working on is 24v output only
>
>
> 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable
>
>
> SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring
>
>
>
>
>
> We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a 
> transformer.
>
>
>
>
>
> If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know 
> is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 
> 100, and we could use 10. We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer 
> mid-May.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
>
> From: Mark Nash
>
>
> To: WISPA General List
>
>
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM
>
>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
>
>
>
&g

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Brad Belton]

We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port
rack mount rebooter.  Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the
market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what
we've seen out of them the past several years.

 

I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available.
Maybe this version is more reliable?  I've also read that the DIN mount
style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style.  Maybe Kevin
could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs
and development.

 

While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat..let's
not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller.

 

I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the need?
Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their
AirControl System management software.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Kevin, 

On cost:  With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a
Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a
router or switch.

If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based)
and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350
value).

Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all
your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that
much.

On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: 

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people
are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3.
Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
something that was:

 

Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

 

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
transformer.

 

If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know
is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of
100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer
mid-May.

 

Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Nash <mailto:markl...@uwol.net>  

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
for??? ;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: 

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a "Auto-Ping"
feature they'll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
flawlessly. 

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Brad Belton]

Hello Kevin,

 

I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would
have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise.  If a HUB site requires
more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in
equipment, IMO.

 

Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge
suppression is found in today's PoE's?  

 

24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you saying the DC
input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus?

 

1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.

 

Keep us posted.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people
are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3.
Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
something that was:

 

Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

 

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
transformer.

 

If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know
is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of
100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer
mid-May.

 

Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Nash <mailto:markl...@uwol.net>  

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
for??? ;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: 

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a "Auto-Ping"
feature they'll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
flawlessly. 

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18
<http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18&eq=&Tp=> &eq=&Tp=


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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Brad Belton]

Exactly.  I think those of that want a device like this clearly understand
it will cost more than 24 PoEs!  I doubt 24 PoEs will give you power
redundancy, Auto-Ping, etc, etc all the features we are looking for.

 

Granted some of the options I listed are not needed for my particular needs
or possibly the next guy either, but I wanted to throw a few extra ideas
into the pot just to see if there is interest.

 

Depending on the feature set that is ultimately offered I would be willing
to pay in the $500 range.  Add up the costs of a remote reboot, power
supplies, etc, etc to match this proposed PoE Controller and then consider
the pros vs. cons of each method.

 

I would also hesitate to assert "the market is demanding something cheap."
Many of us here are well beyond the cheaper is better philosophy and are
able/willing to pay more for a better product.  Adding a $500 or even $1000
to the overall cost of a HUB site for these features from a high quality
device is well within reason, IMO.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

The problem becomes that something with all those options are going to be
more expensive than 6,12,24 PoE's.  The market is demanding something cheap,
and it would be hard to do that cheaply without quantity.


Regards,

Chuck



On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:

And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would
appreciate a device like this!  I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few
months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response.  He had no
idea why I would want such a thing..

 

So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a
bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning:

 

(1)  Multi-port models.  (e.g. 6, 12 & 24 ports) 

(2)  SNMP & Web Interface Management with ACL firewall.

(3)  Redundant power supplies with separate power cords.  (e.g. UPS "Blue" &
UPS "Red")

(4)  Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port.  (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs.
UBNT, etc.)

(5)  Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable
per port.

(6)  1U shallow depth form factor.

(7)  Auto-Ping per port.

(8)  LED Status indicators per port.

(9)  Optional DC power source model for solar sites?

(10)  Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model?

 

 

What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller?

 

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
for??? ;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: 

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a "Auto-Ping"
feature they'll have a winner.

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
flawlessly. 

 

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18
<http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18&eq=&Tp=> &eq=&Tp=


On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: 


Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting
kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;)  Thanks!  Jason

 

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Brad Belton]

And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would
appreciate a device like this!  I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few
months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response.  He had no
idea why I would want such a thing..

 

So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a
bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning:

 

(1)  Multi-port models.  (e.g. 6, 12 & 24 ports) 

(2)  SNMP & Web Interface Management with ACL firewall.

(3)  Redundant power supplies with separate power cords.  (e.g. UPS "Blue" &
UPS "Red")

(4)  Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port.  (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs.
UBNT, etc.)

(5)  Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable
per port.

(6)  1U shallow depth form factor.

(7)  Auto-Ping per port.

(8)  LED Status indicators per port.

(9)  Optional DC power source model for solar sites?

(10)  Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model?

 

 

What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller?

 

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
for??? ;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: 

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a "Auto-Ping"
feature they'll have a winner.

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
flawlessly. 

 

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18
<http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18&eq=&Tp=> &eq=&Tp=


On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: 


Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting
kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;)  Thanks!  Jason

 

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Brad Belton]

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a "Auto-Ping"
feature they'll have a winner.

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
flawlessly. 

 

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18
 &eq=&Tp=


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Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

[Brad Belton]

Have to agree that we are not running out of IP space rather entering a new
realm of how IPv4 space will be handled or "traded" going forward.  

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 8:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

 

At 2/7/2011 08:01 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote:



On 7 February 2011 02:49, Justin Wilson  wrote:

We are not out of IPv4 addresses.  The unallocated pool is exhausted.  There
is a difference.  Think of it in terms as water from a well.

You have all of these people bringing water up from the well (the water is
ipv4 addresses).  These people are storing these addresses in buckets,
bottles, etc. and distributing them to others.  One day the well runs dry.
This does not mean you are out of water because you have all these people
out there who have bottled water they can "sell" to others.  They just can't
go back to the well and get more.  What they have is what they have.


As someone else said, the fat lady has not yet sung, but she is on stage and
the curtain is being lifted. This is a very real problem and does need to be
addressed. 


No, it's not a real problem.  I liken it to the exhaust of homesteads in the
past century.  You used to be able to go to a land office and ask for your
40 acres.  Then they ran out.  But you could still buy a farm from somebody
who previously had a homestead.

The B-team kidz who developed IPv6 (if you're too young to remember the IPNG
process in the 1990 time frame, don't attack my characterization) did not
think much about transition, and forgot about compatibility.  The resulting
transition plan is dual stack, meaning that you need to run IPv4 until
everyone is running IPv6.  Since IPv4 necessarily outperforms the higher
overhead IPv6, there's little reason to not use v4.  Since you thus need v4
addresses anyway, the market will reallocate them, just as the market
reallocated farmland.  If there turns out to be some real scarcity in the
future, then the price will rise, and IPv4 addresses will be used more
efficiently (more NAT, more use of private address space, etc.), and more
large-block holders will release some to the market.

Funny how much Frame Relay got done with a 10-bit address space.



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Re: [WISPA] new list

[Brad Belton]

My thoughts too. 

Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list

LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, "history
repeats itself".

I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one
sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the
Part-15 lists.

Then it went from there to WISPA.

Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list.

Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in
neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's
hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in
responses.

Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list.

-- Original Message --
From: support 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600

>I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool 
>box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck 
>getting angry
>
>
>
>On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>>
>> Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not 
>> warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do 
>> you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are 
>> legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a 
>> threat to the industry, then voice them.
>>
>> Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done.
>> It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has 
>> constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that 
>> will get something done.
>>
>> I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and 
>> not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new 
>> threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs
quite well.
>> I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. 
>> Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when 
>> necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the 
>> purpose of the WUG list.
>>
>> We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it 
>> will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry.
>> Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face 
>> of the industry, because it makes better material for the 
>> sensationalist media.
>>
>> I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and 
>> value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind 
>> that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA 
>> has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. 
>> They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the 
>> industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, 
>> whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts 
>> of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is 
>> made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty.
>>
>> I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. 
>> I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad
beta.
>>
>> I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week
>>
>> On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> To be entirely neutral.  We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for
example.
>>> We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA.  Probably not 
>>> the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>>>
 Not sure of the reason for this Post here.  Isn't the 
 wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list?  Is this a post to
pull users from WISPA?

 Steve Barnes


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] new list

 Hi,

 In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing 
 list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 
 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It 
 is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free 
 administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by
this new list.

 To subscribe to this new list, send an email to 
 users-requ...@wug.cc with "subscribe" in the subject field.

 We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as 
 Motorola,

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Announcements] Baltic Networks introduced a new low-cost 6 Port Gigabit Router Powered by MikroTik at the Animal Farm Expo in Salt Lake City, Utah

[Brad Belton]

Nice to see products like this developing and being made available, but it
still misses the mark by not including SFP ports.  Also, the GigE port count
is far too few.  Six?  Need more like 24 or 48 ports!  

 

USB ports are great to see on this router!  Good job there and what IMO
should be mandatory on all HUB site or core based routers.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

From: announcements-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:announcements-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:55 AM
To: announceme...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA Announcements] Baltic Networks introduced a new low-cost 6
Port Gigabit Router Powered by MikroTik at the Animal Farm Expo in Salt Lake
City, Utah

 

Description: Description: BalticHeader.tif

 

Baltic Networks introduced a new low-cost 6 Port Gigabit Router Powered by
MikroTik at the Animal Farm Expo in Salt Lake City, Utah

January 14, 2011

 

Aurora, Illinois - Baltic Networks introduced MaxxWave RouterMaxx 1106T, a
new low cost 6-port Gigabit Router powered by IntelR newest technology, the
CoreT2 Quad/, the CoreT2 Duo Processor at the Animal Farm Expo.  RouterMaxx
1106T runs on the MikroTik RouterOS platform and by combining it with the
latest Intel technology, it is the next-generation commercial-grade gigabit
router.  Based on the latest Intel 82574L Gigabit Chipset and utilizing 6
independent Intel gigabit controllers and a multi-core CPU, it's possible to
achieve over 200,000pps.  The product provides performance up to 3 times
faster than MikroTik's flagship product, the RB/1100. RouterMaxx 1106T
competes directly with MikroTik RB/1100, Cisco and LinkTech PowerRouterT.

 

Brian Vargyas, Managing Director at Baltic Networks, said: "We felt that
there was a need to bring in the next generation gigabit router to the
market, given that the existing products on the market are all based on the
technology that is either out of date or not providing enough port power for
commercial-grade applications.  Teaming up with MikroTik and MaxxWave, this
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Re: [WISPA] What is this?

[Brad Belton]

We still have one of these in use, but don't use it as much these days now
that everything is going virtual.  Worked flawlessly for us and was a great
tool to have when you needed it in a pinch.  

Best,

Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is this?

These are very nice if you can get them to work.  I had one but had a LOT of
issues with it.  Didn't spend a lot of time on it, and wish I had it back
now, but yeah, it would be sweet...



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Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is this?

A 16 Port KVM with IP access :)  You shuld be able to hook 16 servers up,
and use a web page, or other IP connection to connect to it :) 

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Sent: December 16, 2010 12:16 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] What is this?

DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS

I just found one of these literally laying here.  Can anyone tell a 
technology impaired person what it is?   Is it still something of value?


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Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

[Brad Belton]

I'm sure that would largely depend on the "host" or "hosts" platform you are
using for the virtual servers.  Ours is a Dell blade chassis with M610
blades currently attached to 7TB of 15K drives.  We haven't seen any I/O
issues...

Just because you can spin up 100 servers on one host doesn't mean that's a
good idea!  The great thing about VMware is its ability to constantly
monitor all servers and manage your total host resource pool to maximize
your hardware utilization.  As our CPU, RAM or HDD needs increase we simply
add additional blades (hosts) and additional storage.  We can manually
migrate virtual servers away from any particular host that we want to remove
or take down for maintenance without losing a single ping to the server
being migrated.  Ok, maybe I saw one ping lost once doing this...

Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support.  Dell
support has been fantastic too.

Best,


Brad


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Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

> I put everything on virtual servers.  There's no reinstallation, 
> reconfiguration, etc. required to migrate to new hardware.  Just 
> install on the host OS on a new box and migrate the container over.

I have heard that for I/O intensive applications they are not a good choice.
Email is definitely I/O intensive.




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Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

[Brad Belton]

Agreed.  VMware is amazing.  Server management is no longer cumbersome and
with HA (high availability) running there are no more hardware worries.
Servers are no longer rack-mounted boxes, but instead just files we can drag
- drop - copy - start - stop - upgrade - downgrade with a click of a mouse.

The power savings are terrific too.  Fewer servers (hosts) running = power
savings.  Less heat generated in datacenter means fewer Liebert A/C systems
running = power savings.  More datacenter floor space to sell...virtual
servers are better in every aspect.

Best,

Brad


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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

I put everything on virtual servers.  There's no reinstallation,
reconfiguration, etc. required to migrate to new hardware.  Just install on
the host OS on a new box and migrate the container over.

-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 12/15/2010 9:38 AM, Matt wrote:
> Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded.  Disk I/O is 
> getting to be an issue on it.  Hosting about 2000 accounts.  Likely 
> just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array.
> Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out 
> there?  Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down.  Current 
> solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs 
> upgraded.
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Re: [WISPA] MT Console route lookup

[Brad Belton]

Ok, I'll give it a try on a v4.11 box.

Thanks!


Brad

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Console route lookup

Brad,

I've tested this on 4.9, 4.11, 4.12 and 5.0rc1.

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On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

> Neither example worked for me on v3.30.  What version are you running 
> this command on?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:50 PM
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> Cc: n...@flhsi.com
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Console route lookup
> 
> Nick,
> 
> I'm an idiot. That last one doesn't work. Try this.
> 
> /ip route print where 208.65.55.1 in dst-address
> 
> Works for me. :-)
> 
> --
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> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
> 
>> Nick,
>> 
>> Use regex search.
>> 
>> /ip route print where dst-address~"208.65.55.1"
>> 
>> --
>> Blake Covarrubias
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone know a good way to find a route in the table (Mikrotik) 
>>> without
> knowing the netmask?
>>> For instance
>>> /ip route print where dst-address="208.65.55.1" will return nothing.
>>> But if you search by netmask (/ip route print where
> dst-address="208.65.48.0/21") will find the route. Just wondering if 
> there is a way to pattern match it or something, Like in Quagga/Cisco 
> you can do a "show ip bgp 208.65.55.1" and it will show you the route 
> as well as the
> path(s) it can take and the best one.
>>> 
>>> And on another note, Has anyone setup a Quagga based "route server" 
>>> with
> telnet access that is willing to share details or configs on how to 
> set one up?
>>> 
>>> Nick Olsen
>>> Network Operations
>>> (855) FLSPEED  x106
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Console route lookup

[Brad Belton]

Neither example worked for me on v3.30.  What version are you running this
command on?

Thanks,

Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:50 PM
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Cc: n...@flhsi.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Console route lookup

Nick,

I'm an idiot. That last one doesn't work. Try this.

/ip route print where 208.65.55.1 in dst-address

Works for me. :-)

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On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:

> Nick,
> 
> Use regex search.
> 
> /ip route print where dst-address~"208.65.55.1"
> 
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
> 
>> Anyone know a good way to find a route in the table (Mikrotik) without
knowing the netmask?
>> For instance
>> /ip route print where dst-address="208.65.55.1" will return nothing.
>> But if you search by netmask (/ip route print where
dst-address="208.65.48.0/21") will find the route. Just wondering if there
is a way to pattern match it or something, Like in Quagga/Cisco you can do a
"show ip bgp 208.65.55.1" and it will show you the route as well as the
path(s) it can take and the best one.
>> 
>> And on another note, Has anyone setup a Quagga based "route server" with
telnet access that is willing to share details or configs on how to set one
up?
>> 
>> Nick Olsen
>> Network Operations
>> (855) FLSPEED  x106
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

[Brad Belton]

No, I do not think so.  FCC limits 11GHz channel size to 40MHz.  However,
165 + 165 = 330, so that gets you beyond 300MB in 6GHz with a combiner and
265 + 265 = 530 in 11GHz with a combiner plate.

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 3:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

 

Can you use >40Mhz channels with the trangos on 11Ghz for >300Mb throughput?
I thought we were limited to 40mhz on our apexes for a ~268max throughput...

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

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From: "Brad Belton" 
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 3:10 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

You coordinate two paths.  We have a Trango GigaLINK 6GHz link using two
radio pairs and a combiner plate attaching to one antenna on each end.  One
radio set is V the other is H.  Gives us twice the capacity (165MB x 2) plus
failover in the event one ODU or IDU fails plus Frequency diversity for
higher overall availability.

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

 

Not sure where dual polarities come in to play with licensed gear.  I know
that your PCN strictly states V or H.

The SAF CFIP Lumina uses 50Mhz one way and 50Mhz the other way to get full
duplex.  Each channel with 256qam does 325mbps.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Matt  wrote:

How long has Exalt been doing licensed gear?  Is it pretty good gear?
Does SAF allow you to use a dual polarity dish in 11ghz and bond both
polarities for additional bandwidth?  Can both polarities be done on
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

[Brad Belton]

You coordinate two paths.  We have a Trango GigaLINK 6GHz link using two
radio pairs and a combiner plate attaching to one antenna on each end.  One
radio set is V the other is H.  Gives us twice the capacity (165MB x 2) plus
failover in the event one ODU or IDU fails plus Frequency diversity for
higher overall availability.

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

 

Not sure where dual polarities come in to play with licensed gear.  I know
that your PCN strictly states V or H.

The SAF CFIP Lumina uses 50Mhz one way and 50Mhz the other way to get full
duplex.  Each channel with 256qam does 325mbps.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Matt  wrote:

How long has Exalt been doing licensed gear?  Is it pretty good gear?
Does SAF allow you to use a dual polarity dish in 11ghz and bond both
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

[Brad Belton]

That was my next reply to Josh.what series or model of Ceragon has he used.
All our Ceragon links have been the older Fibeair 1500 series.  There were a
few re-branded versions of this radio for Nortel and maybe another name too.
I think even Lockheed or General Dynamics had these relabeled under their
name.

 

Agreed, while price is always important we feel a solid product with good
support is paramount.  While Trango may have had some early firmware issues
they have been responsive and resolved any issues that resulted in a down
link situation.

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 7:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

 

Ceragon today is NOT the same Ceragon it was 3 years ago.  

Unlike many here when it comes to choosing equipment I don't chase the price
point.  I look at who supplies the outstanding support.  I look for the
company that has my back when I am up against the wall with a dead link.

And until someone can blow away their delivery schedule and their
technical/customer support, Dragonwave is my company of choice for licensed
microwave. Radio clips to the antenna, POE, simple interface, easy equipment
replacement.  

And most importantly.  the sh*t works!  

I can't remember EVER needing to do a firmware upgrade on a Dragonwave radio
to make it work right. I can't say that for many of the other manufacturers
and I have installed a lot of different equipment over the years.

-B-



On 11/4/2010 10:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 

The air must be different there.  I can't stand Ceragon stuff.  Nothing but
problems.  Zero support.  The firmware is terrible as is the interface.

On Nov 4, 2010 9:58 PM, "Brad Belton"  wrote:
> Agreed. We have had Ser# 0001 11GHz Trango GigaLINK in service since
early 2008 among several others since then with great service. The few times
we've needed Trango support they have been extremely responsive and helpful.

> 
> 
> 
> I think we also have one of the first if not the first 18GHz GigaLINK in
service too since mid 2007. We'll be hanging three more Trango Giga's &
Apex's in the next few weeks. We have always been early adopters of
Sunstream/Trango equipment.
> 
> 
> 
> We have DragonWave, BridgeWave, Trango, DMC, Ceragon and PCOM licensed
gear deployed and active in 6GHz, 11GHz, 18GHz, 23GHz, 38GHz and 70-80GHz on
our network. By far the Trango, BridgeWave and Ceragon links are our
favorites.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops
> 
> 
> 
> We use Trango GigaLinks almost exclusively in our network; 6ghz, 11ghz,
18ghz, and 23ghz. They work very well & support thus far has been great.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Blake Covarrubias
> 
> 
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 14:43, "Nick Olsen"  wrote:
> 
> I've worked with a few of the Trango Apex 11ghz links. Running 256QAM they
will do ~258Mb/s full duplex, or something like that.
> .8 to 1ms across it, With 10Mb/s or 200Mb/s of traffic on it. So far,
They've been the best links I've had the pleasure of working with. In terms
of performance, And management.
> 
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations 
> 
> (855) FLSPEED x106
> 
> <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _ 
> 
> 
> From: "David E. Smith" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:32 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 16:20, Matt  wrote:
> 
> We are looking at upgrading our network and adding a handful(7) 11ghz
> licensed hops. What gear out there can use both horizontal and
> vertical at once to increase throughput? We are currently considering
> Exalt. Short coming of 11 ghz and longish 25 mile hops is throughput.
> We do not need a lot of bandwidth at the start but would like to be
> ready to if needed. This will replace a couple DS3 circuits.
> 
> 
> 
> How much throughput do you need? Trango's Apex gear can, if you have big
enough antennas and pay for the licensing (both FCC and for Trango's
software), do something like 300Mbps. 
> 
> 
> 
> David Smith
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Link Issues, Need Advice

[Brad Belton]

15-20db off typically means cross polarization.  Have you double and triple
checked they are both on the same polarity?

Brad


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Gaylord
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 8:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Link Issues, Need Advice

I have a Dragonwave link that was performing about 35-40db lower than the
link budget says it should.  I sent tower climbers up to repeak the link and
found they did have it on aligned on a horizontal side lobe.  
After re-peaking it got better, but is now about 15-20db lower than the link
budget.  It is running about a -52 and the budget calls for a -34.  
They did peak the vertical axis, but is it possible that even though both
antennas were mounted plum, that they are aligned on a vertical side lobe.
Like I said, they did say they peaked the vertical, but I don't know if they
did a proper sweep on the vertical because it is not a quick to do as on the
horizontal.  They are both plum, but the antennas have about 300ft of
vertical separation at 5 miles.  Would difference in height put them in into
a vertical side lobe?  I am asking because the 30in antenna's had come
slightly damaged, but it appeared to just be where the raydom attached to
the dish.  Dragonwave did not think this would cause an issue.  I just need
to know if I need to pay for 2 more tower climbs to re-peak the vertical, or
take down the dishes to return them.  Thank you in advance for any advice
that can be given here.  By the way, it is our first licensed link, so it is
my first experience with anything above 5ghz.

Bill Gaylord, President
COLI Inc.




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Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

[Brad Belton]

Ceragon Telnet interface is terrible?  I've never used the CeraView
software, but not much to complain about with the Telnet interface.  Then
again I can't stand the Trango web GUI either.I only use Telnet for our
Trango links.  So if you're a GUI guy then I understand.

 

If we can pretty much set 'em and forget 'em then they're ok in our book.


 

You want to complain about user interface.try spending some time with the
PCOM "Link Manager" GUI interface.  Now that is a sucky interface!
Fortunately the few PCOM radios we have left out there have been pretty much
rock solid.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 9:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

 

The air must be different there.  I can't stand Ceragon stuff.  Nothing but
problems.  Zero support.  The firmware is terrible as is the interface.

On Nov 4, 2010 9:58 PM, "Brad Belton"  wrote:
> Agreed. We have had Ser# 0001 11GHz Trango GigaLINK in service since
early 2008 among several others since then with great service. The few times
we've needed Trango support they have been extremely responsive and helpful.

> 
> 
> 
> I think we also have one of the first if not the first 18GHz GigaLINK in
service too since mid 2007. We'll be hanging three more Trango Giga's &
Apex's in the next few weeks. We have always been early adopters of
Sunstream/Trango equipment.
> 
> 
> 
> We have DragonWave, BridgeWave, Trango, DMC, Ceragon and PCOM licensed
gear deployed and active in 6GHz, 11GHz, 18GHz, 23GHz, 38GHz and 70-80GHz on
our network. By far the Trango, BridgeWave and Ceragon links are our
favorites.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops
> 
> 
> 
> We use Trango GigaLinks almost exclusively in our network; 6ghz, 11ghz,
18ghz, and 23ghz. They work very well & support thus far has been great.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Blake Covarrubias
> 
> 
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 14:43, "Nick Olsen"  wrote:
> 
> I've worked with a few of the Trango Apex 11ghz links. Running 256QAM they
will do ~258Mb/s full duplex, or something like that.
> .8 to 1ms across it, With 10Mb/s or 200Mb/s of traffic on it. So far,
They've been the best links I've had the pleasure of working with. In terms
of performance, And management.
> 
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations 
> 
> (855) FLSPEED x106
> 
> <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _ 
> 
> 
> From: "David E. Smith" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:32 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 16:20, Matt  wrote:
> 
> We are looking at upgrading our network and adding a handful(7) 11ghz
> licensed hops. What gear out there can use both horizontal and
> vertical at once to increase throughput? We are currently considering
> Exalt. Short coming of 11 ghz and longish 25 mile hops is throughput.
> We do not need a lot of bandwidth at the start but would like to be
> ready to if needed. This will replace a couple DS3 circuits.
> 
> 
> 
> How much throughput do you need? Trango's Apex gear can, if you have big
enough antennas and pay for the licensing (both FCC and for Trango's
software), do something like 300Mbps. 
> 
> 
> 
> David Smith
> 
> MVN.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

[Brad Belton]

Agreed.  We have had Ser# 0001 11GHz Trango GigaLINK in service since early 
2008 among several others since then with great service.  The few times we’ve 
needed Trango support they have been extremely responsive and helpful.  

 

I think we also have one of the first if not the first 18GHz GigaLINK in 
service too since mid 2007.  We’ll be hanging three more Trango Giga’s & Apex’s 
in the next few weeks.  We have always been early adopters of Sunstream/Trango 
equipment.

 

We have DragonWave, BridgeWave, Trango, DMC, Ceragon and PCOM licensed gear 
deployed and active in 6GHz, 11GHz, 18GHz, 23GHz, 38GHz and 70-80GHz on our 
network.  By far the Trango, BridgeWave and Ceragon links are our favorites.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 



 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

 

We use Trango GigaLinks almost exclusively in our network; 6ghz, 11ghz, 18ghz, 
and 23ghz. They work very well & support thus far has been great.


--

Blake Covarrubias


On Nov 4, 2010, at 14:43, "Nick Olsen"  wrote:

I've worked with a few of the Trango Apex 11ghz links. Running 256QAM they will 
do ~258Mb/s full duplex, or something like that.
.8 to 1ms across it, With 10Mb/s or 200Mb/s of traffic on it. So far, They've 
been the best links I've had the pleasure of working with. In terms of 
performance, And management.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

   

 


  _  


From: "David E. Smith" 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:32 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops




On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 16:20, Matt  wrote:

We are looking at upgrading our network and adding a handful(7) 11ghz
licensed hops.  What gear out there can use both horizontal and
vertical at once to increase throughput?  We are currently considering
Exalt.  Short coming of 11 ghz and longish 25 mile hops is throughput.
 We do not need a lot of bandwidth at the start but would like to be
ready to if needed.  This will replace a couple DS3 circuits.

 

How much throughput do you need? Trango's Apex gear can, if you have big enough 
antennas and pay for the licensing (both FCC and for Trango's software), do 
something like 300Mbps. 

 

David Smith

MVN.net

 




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Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

[Brad Belton]

Agreed.  Breaking about once a month or possibly even more frequently than
that is what we started to see with one of our v3.30 BGP routers.  This was
after flawless performance for many, many months.  This is why we initially
felt it might be a hardware issue.

MikroTik Support response was simply to upgrade to current version (v4.11),
so we did.  That was about 50-60days ago I think?  Since then the router
hasn't had any trouble, so we're feeling pretty good about it.  If it
happens again or the hardware is/was the issue and it ultimately fails; we
have an exact matching router racked up right beneath it ready to go.
Eventually we may have Butch help us setup VRRP or some other method to tie
the two routers together and keep both routers running all the time.

We bring in multiple upstream GigE feeds from diverse geographical locations
into our network, so losing a BGP router doesn't necessarily mean the
network goes down...we just lose that particular peering point.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

This is exactly what I am concerned with.
Things breaking once in a while is not an issue..
Things breaking once every month or few weeks is not going to be acceptable
from our users..

Trying to determine if this is a 'feature' or a short term 'bug'.

Cisco's and Junipers, get a premium even in the used market place, but the
primary reason for it is stability...

Any other that can chime in with their experiences ?

Many thanks in advance.



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 11/2/2010 10:32 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> Our MikroTik BGP router keeps crashing about once every month or 
> so...sometimes sooner, sometimes later.  We are using full BGP tables 
> and 4.11 currently.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Brad Belton  wrote:
>> We've been running BGP with MikroTik for quite some time now.  It 
>> hasn't been flawless by any stretch, but ever since late v2.8 or 
>> early v2.9 we haven't had much trouble with it.  We running v3.30 on 
>> two routers with two full feeds each and a third running v4.11 with 
>> two full feeds.  All of these routers have a handful of downstream 
>> BGP peers that we are also delivering full tables to.
>>
>> So far I think v4.11 might be the best, but we don't have as much 
>> time on that version as we do with v3.30.  The only reason we moved 
>> one of our routers from v3.30 to v4.11 was because we had an unusual 
>> hang with that particular router.  We weren't sure if it was hardware 
>> or OS related, however moving it to v4.11 seems to have resolved the 
>> problem.  (knock on
>> wood)
>>
>> Bottom line is given the price of a beefy MikroTik router vs. buying 
>> an Imagestream or Cisco that is equivalent we can have hot standby 
>> spares on hand and still be thousands if not tens of thousands of 
>> dollars ahead.  That coupled with building a network that isn't 
>> solely dependent on any single point of failure further reduces the
crisis when a core router fails.
>>
>> Things break...doesn't matter if MikroTik, ImageStream, Cisco or Juniper
>> makes it.   ALL things break eventually, so plan for it!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:11 AM
>> To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
>>
>> Hi Nick,
>>
>> How stable has the Mikrotik been running full BGP with the two providers
?
>>
>> (I read about a memory leak issues, is that why you are using 5.0rc1 
>> ?) We have been considering getting a Mikrotik for such use.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>
>> On 11/2/2010 9:21 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
>>> We have two full tables running on mikrotik, in two different locations.
>>>
>>> Running that command
>>> /ip route print count-only where bgp-as-path="1234"
>>> Replacing the AS with "33363" (local cable company).
>>> Doesn't work on either of our routers for some reason (MT 5.0rc1 or
4.4).
>>>
>>> Our router running a core 2 2.93ghz can take two full feeds gets all 
>>> the routes in about 4 seconds, And cpu load is idle about 13 seconds
>&g

Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

[Brad Belton]

We've been running BGP with MikroTik for quite some time now.  It hasn't
been flawless by any stretch, but ever since late v2.8 or early v2.9 we
haven't had much trouble with it.  We running v3.30 on two routers with two
full feeds each and a third running v4.11 with two full feeds.  All of these
routers have a handful of downstream BGP peers that we are also delivering
full tables to.

So far I think v4.11 might be the best, but we don't have as much time on
that version as we do with v3.30.  The only reason we moved one of our
routers from v3.30 to v4.11 was because we had an unusual hang with that
particular router.  We weren't sure if it was hardware or OS related,
however moving it to v4.11 seems to have resolved the problem.  (knock on
wood)

Bottom line is given the price of a beefy MikroTik router vs. buying an
Imagestream or Cisco that is equivalent we can have hot standby spares on
hand and still be thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars ahead.  That
coupled with building a network that isn't solely dependent on any single
point of failure further reduces the crisis when a core router fails. 

Things break...doesn't matter if MikroTik, ImageStream, Cisco or Juniper
makes it.   ALL things break eventually, so plan for it!

Best,


Brad




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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:11 AM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

Hi Nick,

How stable has the Mikrotik been running full BGP with the two providers ?

(I read about a memory leak issues, is that why you are using 5.0rc1 ?) We
have been considering getting a Mikrotik for such use.

Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom

On 11/2/2010 9:21 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
> We have two full tables running on mikrotik, in two different locations.
>
> Running that command
> /ip route print count-only where bgp-as-path="1234"
> Replacing the AS with "33363" (local cable company).
> Doesn't work on either of our routers for some reason (MT 5.0rc1 or 4.4).
>
> Our router running a core 2 2.93ghz can take two full feeds gets all 
> the routes in about 4 seconds, And cpu load is idle about 13 seconds
later.
> However making changes with routing filters take anywhere from 
> 10seconds to 2 minutes depending on what its doing.
>
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (855) FLSPEED x106
>
>
>
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> *From*: "Kristian Hoffmann" 
> *Sent*: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:50 AM
> *To*: "WISPA General List" 
> *Subject*: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have 1-2 full BGP routing tables on a MikroTik router? If 
> so, what kind of hardware are you running. I'm testing a single feed 
> on a P3 800. It loads the routes fine, and seems to handle the routes 
> in stride (all 328659 of them), until you start poking at the routing 
> table like...
>
> /ip route print count-only where bgp-as-path="1234"
>
> An AS that yielded 500 routes took 1-2 minutes at 100% CPU to complete.
> Is this "normal" these days, or is significantly greater hardware in 
> order? I used to have a full feed on a Cisco 3640. It took 5-10 
> minutes to load all of the routes after a reload, and it was almost 
> impossible to log in, high packet loss, etc. during that time.
>
> So, should it take 10 seconds on real hardware, or is this type of 
> query always slow?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [WISPA] Managed VLAN Switch

[Brad Belton]

We've used several Dell PowerConnect 28xx switches specifically for VLAN
requirements and have been very happy with their performance.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 1:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed VLAN Switch

 

 

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:50, Matt  wrote:

Looking for a manged VLAN switch with ~8 GigE ports.  Anyone know of
anything?  Going to use them along a few hop licensed link.

 

Depending on what features you need, a Dell Powerconnect 2808 may serve
nicely. As a bonus, last time I looked they were around $100 each, which is
pretty darned cheap even by "low-end managed switch" standards.

 

David Smith

MVN.net

 




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Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?

[Brad Belton]

Sure would have been nice if the RB800 or RB1100 had a USB port for
monitoring APC UPS's...

Brad



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?

On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 08:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: 
> I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have 
> to include a switch:
> 
> 2 for backhauls
> 3 for APs
> 1 for UPS
> 1 for remote power control unit
> 1 for laptop access when technician is there

Strictly Mikrotik options for this include:

RB1100 - not available at this time due to backorders and EVERY distributor.


RB800 + RB816 - The 816 board is around, but the RB800 (like the 1100) is
hard to come by.

RB1100 will be around $400 and the RB800 with expansion will be around
$475-500.  RB1100 has 13GigE ports while the RB800+816 will have 19 total
ports with 3 GigE and 16 10/100.  FWIW, they both have the same processor
and (I think) the same memory.  

If timing is of essence, then one of the other routers that are out there
are your only choice.  Every distributor is giving a time frame, but nobody
really knows.  

> It says "thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch 
> groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability"
> 
> The two questions I have:
> 
> 1. The "5-port switch groups"... Does this mean that the individual 
> ports can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch
group?

No.  It means that you have the ability to configure 2 groups of actual
switch ports.  In other words, if you chose to do so, you could have 2
switches + 3 additional ports all in the same box.

> 2. The "ethernet bypass capability"... What's the application for this?

This just means that when the router loses power (for whatever reason),
there is a pair of ports that will still pass ethernet traffic.  This would
be useful in the case where you have another device that (or pair of
devices) that may not rely on the same power source.  I have not seen a good
example of where this will be useful in any WISP/tower configuration, though
I am certain there may be some out there.

I'm happy to work with you on getting the right parts, but like everyone
else, I am at the mercy of MT and the shippers.  I would hope that you
consider purchasing from my own store, given the time I'm investing in
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed at 40-60-80Ghz - short distance link

[Brad Belton]

Very cool.  So, I assume you coordinate two 18GHz freq pairs with the FCC in
order to achieve GigE line speed?  That could prove to be very difficult in
some metro areas.

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed at 40-60-80Ghz - short distance link

 

Yep, announced a while back.

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/BridgeWave-Broadens-Product-bw-4129745813.html
?x=0
<http://finance.yahoo.com/news/BridgeWave-Broadens-Product-bw-4129745813.htm
l?x=0&.v=1> &.v=1

http://www.bridgewave.com/products/flexport.cfm


Regards,

Chuck



On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:

I'd like to know where you heard this too.  We've deployed a handful of
BridgeWave 80GHz radio sets and have been asking for 18GHz, but the response
was always nothing was planned for 18GHz.

Thanks,

Brad


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed at 40-60-80Ghz - short distance link

Link?

I don't see the products on their site.

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On Oct 28, 2010, at 15:33, Matt Jenkins  wrote:

> Bridgewave now has an 18ghz and 23ghz product that will do 1gbps.
>
> On 10/28/2010 07:47 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I was wondering if somebody of you is working at those frequencies,
>> on moutain top or heavy-rain
>>
>> The point is that I am curious to know your experience at those
>> frequencies when it's not "downtown" but a more country, hill or
>> mountain environment where clouds, rain and other weather evil things
>> can happen.
>>
>> The distance is around 4-5 mile, with 100Mb/1Gb bandwidth desired.
>>
>> what do you suggest?  Any hint about a brand?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed at 40-60-80Ghz - short distance link

[Brad Belton]

I'd like to know where you heard this too.  We've deployed a handful of
BridgeWave 80GHz radio sets and have been asking for 18GHz, but the response
was always nothing was planned for 18GHz.  

Thanks,

Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed at 40-60-80Ghz - short distance link

Link?

I don't see the products on their site.

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On Oct 28, 2010, at 15:33, Matt Jenkins  wrote:

> Bridgewave now has an 18ghz and 23ghz product that will do 1gbps.
> 
> On 10/28/2010 07:47 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I was wondering if somebody of you is working at those frequencies, 
>> on moutain top or heavy-rain
>> 
>> The point is that I am curious to know your experience at those 
>> frequencies when it's not "downtown" but a more country, hill or 
>> mountain environment where clouds, rain and other weather evil things 
>> can happen.
>> 
>> The distance is around 4-5 mile, with 100Mb/1Gb bandwidth desired.
>> 
>> what do you suggest?  Any hint about a brand?
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

[Brad Belton]

Yah.thought I was gonna see this a few days ago.

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

 

Mike, replying offlist...

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Mike Hammett 
wrote:

Where is this app?  :-p



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On 10/19/2010 11:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: 

WispMon Pro has a phone app that will tell you distance and bearing to any
of the towers in your database from your current location and plot it for
you on a map. We are toying with making the app available for a small price
to the general public, but it will need some mods so you can enter your
tower locations manually and store them in a local file/db on the phone. Hit
me offlist if you are interested and we'll try to get it out quicker if
there is a big show of hands. 

Regards,

Cameron

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

I've never put a dish up half together.  I've always seen it done putting
everything together then hoisting it up. 



Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi 
wrote:

Actually not true in many cases.

If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree.
But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy.

 

After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine
align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not
necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. 

 

The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the
feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home
in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and
make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify
it is aligned.  Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe
1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the
hole.  

 

As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to
trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad
cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. 

 

Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side.

 

Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a
removable feed. 

 

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Josh Luthman   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

 

That's not realistically possible.  You would have to be extraordinarily
lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash  wrote:

(sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it
may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post)

 

I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower.

- Original Message - 

From: Josh Luthman   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

 

You would need more people then.  You can't align the dish without both
radios being powered.

You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site.  Both install at the same
time and they should finish around the same time frame.  Align before coming
down at all.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:

It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in
magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the
binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then
point the dish there? 

 

Greg

 

On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote:

 

Question:  What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp
without having a visual on the other side?

 

Details:

 

When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times.

 

The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end.

 

We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile.

 

Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge.  Azimuth is a different
story.  If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but
what if you can't?

 

We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we
have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year.

 

 

---

Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

[Brad Belton]

We used Packeteer prior to MikroTik for bandwidth management.  Packeteer
arguably makes one of if not the finest bandwidth manager availablebut
you pay for it!

I'd take a closer look at your MikoTik configurations and/or hardware before
springing for a bunch of $10k+ Packeteers...Just my opinion.

Best,


Brad

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager

  In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new
bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or
bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week).  I'm looking
for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions.

Thanks,
Forbes




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Re: [WISPA] FIPS 140-2

[Brad Belton]

Possibly RedLine or Alvarion, but I think they are only AES256.  BridgeWave
PtP has been our radio of choice for FIPS 140-2 requirements.

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] FIPS 140-2

 

We have a customer that is part of the Federal government, and they are
looking for a FIPS 140-2 certified 802.11-based PtMP outdoor solution.
Anyone have any ideas?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

[Brad Belton]

You guys have it all wrong IMO and should be counting your blessings that
$1000 T1's still exist out there.  Those are the areas a WISP can excel by
offering a better valued service.  Once all the $1000 T1's go away so will
the little guys...YOU!

Location - Location - Location

Absolutely location makes a difference in bandwidth cost regardless of who
is providing service.  If not, you're saying providing service to your
neighbor is the same as providing service to a friend in another county.
What about your tower, additional radios, additional infrastructure support
costs that you will incur to provide this service to Uncle Jeb's farm in the
middle of nowhere?  Does it really cost you the same to provide service in
both these examples?  I think not.

There is no benefit being the first in the race to $0.00...enjoy the fact
there are hundreds if not thousands of markets across America where WISPs
are needed because of the $1000k T1.

Best,


Brad


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

You got that right.  Location, location, location

"We'll screw you for all we can get unless you can get it cheaper" kinda BS.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

CHEAP is territorial

- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Johnson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


>  Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
> CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...
>
> I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
> proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
> connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
> save me. And I can do this every day. :)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box 
>>> or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support

>>> calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic 
>>> from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
>> Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an 
>> ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all 
>> content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites

>> you choose.
>>
>> If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use 
>> TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your 
>> proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced 
>> directly from a client instead of your Squid box.
>>
>> Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your 
>> Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, 
>> and your users continue to surf the web normally.
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

[Brad Belton]

"Now I'm in neutral buoyancy."  lolflash from the past in college NAUI
classeshey it was an easy A, errr...at least a couple easy A's!

This is sad news.  Using the wrong tool for the job and possibly soft ground
conditions caused this.

Best,


Brad


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Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:02 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

Sad news but seems like lack of training or not paying attention  to the
load limits caused that.

However, the FOLLOWING News story is EPIC!  Dudes caught stealing gensets!
Oh HELL YES!  

One sad, one glad.  I'm now in neutral buoyancy.



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Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tower/truck death

http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Minnesota_Death

The Isanti County Sheriff's Office said that Mark Robert Anderson, 40, was
assisting in the erection of a tower for Genesis Wireless at 3389 Helium St.

NW in Wyanett Township when the Lull Telehandler - with the boom fully
extended approximately 40 feet - fell over.



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Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

[Brad Belton]

There's one in the Dell Outlet right now for $9919.00 with 15 2TB 7.2K RPM 
drives.  About 7-15x the storage you're looking for depending on how you 
configure.  I think that's about what we paid for 15 750GB 15K RPM drives.  

Dell put together a complete turn-key package for us including the VMwave 
licensing & platinum support, storage, chassis, blades, Dell support and 
warranty.  We were lucky and found most of what we needed in the Dell Outlet 
saving us a good amount of money.  We didn't see any reason not to go with the 
outlet gear because it has the same warranty as new Dell gear.

Best,


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

Any idea what that cost? We're looking at ~2TB of data currently, and we'd 
like some room to grow...

Kevin
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Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?


> We kept everything Dell, so we're using the Dell MD3000i with about 7TB of 
> storage.  The benefits of keeping everything Dell or HP etc outweighed the 
> cost savings in our situation.
>
> Dell has always taken real good care of us.  I've called Dell at 4pm with 
> an issue and they had a replacement part in my hands by 8am the next 
> morning...no charge.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jon Auer
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:33 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
>
> That's pretty cool.
> What are you using for shared storage?
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brad Belton  wrote:
>> Agreed.  We’ve run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but 
>> we
>> had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything.
>>
>>
>>
>> We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with.
>>  Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, 
>> availability,
>> power savings and features.  A “server” to us now amounts to just a file
>> within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a
>> simple cut & paste.  If VMware “sees” a server go down or a host within 
>> your
>> cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a
>> different host.  Really cool stuff…
>>
>>
>>
>> The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now 
>> are
>> probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they
>> replaced!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists  wrote:
>>
>>  I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be
>> running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are
>> preferred.   Does anyone one the list have recommendations?
>>
>> Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything.
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

[Brad Belton]

Running and beginning to migrate to our own VoIP platform was the deciding
reason we went with a blade setup.  

 

Redundancy - Redundancy - Redundancy

 

Everything is redundant and has built-in failover with alarm notification.
Things break and there's no way around that fact, so layer on the redundancy
to keep the bits flowing while you fix what broke.  

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

 

Unfortunately, these servers are going to be geographically dispersed, and
doing things that cannot really be virtualized.   Three will be doing
NAT/policy routing, three will be running our bandwidth tracking software,
three will be terminating VOIP and one will be a network monitoring server
running Nagios/Xymon/etc etc.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/24/2010 8:17 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: 

I agree.  When I last looked, we were on our third chassis running VMWare.
The space savings and lower utility bills are well worth it.

 

Rick

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:42 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

 

Agreed.  We've run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but we
had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything.  

 

We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with.
Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, availability,
power savings and features.  A "server" to us now amounts to just a file
within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a
simple cut & paste.  If VMware "sees" a server go down or a host within your
cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a
different host.  Really cool stuff.

 

The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now are
probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they
replaced!

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

 

On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists  wrote:

 I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be
running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are
preferred.   Does anyone one the list have recommendations?


Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything.

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

[Brad Belton]

We kept everything Dell, so we're using the Dell MD3000i with about 7TB of 
storage.  The benefits of keeping everything Dell or HP etc outweighed the cost 
savings in our situation.  

Dell has always taken real good care of us.  I've called Dell at 4pm with an 
issue and they had a replacement part in my hands by 8am the next morning...no 
charge.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jon Auer
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:33 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

That's pretty cool.
What are you using for shared storage?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brad Belton  wrote:
> Agreed.  We’ve run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but we
> had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything.
>
>
>
> We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with.
>  Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, availability,
> power savings and features.  A “server” to us now amounts to just a file
> within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a
> simple cut & paste.  If VMware “sees” a server go down or a host within your
> cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a
> different host.  Really cool stuff…
>
>
>
> The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now are
> probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they
> replaced!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
>
>
>
> On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists  wrote:
>
>  I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be
> running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are
> preferred.   Does anyone one the list have recommendations?
>
> Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

[Brad Belton]

Agreed.  We've run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but we
had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything.  

 

We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with.
Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, availability,
power savings and features.  A "server" to us now amounts to just a file
within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a
simple cut & paste.  If VMware "sees" a server go down or a host within your
cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a
different host.  Really cool stuff.

 

The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now are
probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they
replaced!

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

 

On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists  wrote:

 I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be
running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are
preferred.   Does anyone one the list have recommendations?


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Re: [WISPA] POE Switch

[Brad Belton]

The Tycon Power Midspan injectors look promising, but like you said they
need to add redundant power supply inputs and switches/jumpers to reverse
voltage polarity in order to support more products.  Sure would be nice if
they added the current indicator too so you know if the radio up top is
plugged in/powered up or not.  Lightening surge suppressor on each port is
also a must have for a device like this.

Hopefully their design team is listening to people like us!

Best,


Brad



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 10:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Switch

Just talked to Tycon Power.

The image on the PDF is incorrect. The correct image is:
http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-SW5/High-Speed-10100Mb-5-Port-POE-Switch
.html

I was more interested in a 4/8 port POE device with redundant power supply
inputs and switches/jumpers to reverse polarity. I called and spoke with
Tycon and described this and he said to look for something around end of
Sept/Early Oct. I guess they had something like this in the works.

Combine that with a managed switch or a Router Board and it's a nice clean
tower cabinet.

No hacking required. 

- Jerry


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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 8:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Switch

  They also appear to have a 12 port pass through model.

-
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On 8/11/2010 3:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I saw this interesting switch which is has NON stardard POE, i.e. good
> for 12-24V devices:
>
> http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP-SW8_POE_Switch_Spec_Sheet.pdf
>
> It seems a good idea instead of multiple POE (but also a single POE, is
> a single point of failure...)
>
> Anybody using it? Comments?
>
> Thank you
>




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Re: [WISPA] POE Switch

[Brad Belton]

The picture of the device in the PDF sure looks more like a four port/device
product than an eight port/device product.  It only shows four (1-4) LED
indicator lights and it appears the top four ports are labeled as "Data" and
the corresponding bottom four ports are labeled as "POE".  This leads me to
believe it functions more like four PoE or DC injectors in one box than an
eight port switch.  

IMO, a design like I describe would be more desirable anyway as many
operators dedicate each backhaul radio or AP to its own port on a router
anyway.  We do not tie any of our radios at HUB sites to a common switch.
We use multi-interface x86 MikroTik routers at HUB sites or RB493AH routers
and route each sector or backhaul radio on its own port.

I like the voltage flexibility it offers (12V-58V) and the ability to use
redundant power supplies.  What I'd like to see is something similar to
this, but in a compact, shallow depth 1U form, higher port count (maybe 12
or 16 ports) and the ability to reverse polarity via dip switch or jumper
setting on a per port basis.  It also doesn't have to be an active Ethernet
device (just another Ethernet chip to worry about failing), but make it a
passive Ethernet pass through like most DC injectors are designed.

Best,


Brad



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Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 3:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] POE Switch

Hi all,

I saw this interesting switch which is has NON stardard POE, i.e. good
for 12-24V devices:

http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP-SW8_POE_Switch_Spec_Sheet.pdf

It seems a good idea instead of multiple POE (but also a single POE, is
a single point of failure...)

Anybody using it? Comments?

Thank you

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Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App

[Brad Belton]

We played with "The Dude" a few months ago and while we were very impressed
with some of the information provided we also saw stability issues.  We also
really wanted a system that would geo-tag (? Not sure if that's the right
term), but that would allow you to zoom in and out on a mapping program.

We have been running the www.wispmon.com program and have been very pleased
with it.  The built-in profile tool is a huge benefit and is much faster
than firing up Radio Mobile. 

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App

Can you set up a "white list" for the IP or the sending email address?

- Original Message - 
From: "Kosinet Wireless" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App


> That looks cool - I just downloaded "The Dude" software and set it 
> up.Pretty
> impressed  The only problem I've seen so far - There doesn't seem to 
> be
> anyway to to authenticate to my Mail Server. (But I've only given it 10
> minutes of my time)
>
> Thanks all,
>
> -Gary-
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mark Nash - Lists" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
>
>
>> In the first couple years of my WISP, I used MultiPing.  It can email but
>> not text.  It can even fire off processes (I used it to run a script to
>> reboot UPS's or reset Trango's in the early days).  It can tell you if 
>> the
>> device is totally down or if it has high latency.
>>
>> Easy to configure.  Very straight-forward.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "KosiNet Wireless" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:30 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
>>
>>
>>>I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able
>>>to
>>> monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages...
>>>
>>> Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself.
>>>
>>> What are you guys running?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Gary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting

[Brad Belton]

I agree with Josh's comment.  Butch has been the first and last MikroTik
consultant we've needed.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Alan Bryant
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting

I second Butch as a personal recommendation. We haven't had to use him
much, but he has always had great recommendations for questions I have
asked on the list as well as questions I wanted to ask and someone
else beat me to it.

Also, his QOS script for RouterOS is pretty good as well!

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording.
>
> My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last
> consultant I have needed.
>
> On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM,  wrote:
>
> Oooo!
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Brad Belton]

Cameron - Nick,

No kidding, an internal battery will render the unit unreachable even after
a hard factory reset?  Good to know.  I guess I'll order a couple more
replacements, so I can then crack open the ones that have become doorstops
and check them out.

Thanks,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick White
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:13 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

We saw the same issue. Had to replace the internal battery on about ten 
of them after 3-4 years of deployment. Been fine ever since.

On 7/27/2010 5:32 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> Brad,
> I found out what causes this. There is a small battery inside that
> loses its ability to keep a charge. Once this happens, the thing goes
> back to defaults at every reboot. You can get a replacement at
> batteries plus. It looks like a double a, but is some li variant.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Brad Belton  wrote:
>
>> Butch Evans put together a MikroTik script for us that monitors our APC
>> UPSs.  Sends us an email when power is lost along with battery time
>> remaining.  Then sends us an email again once power is restored and again
>> updates the remaining battery life.  Works well, but unfortunately the
>> RB493AH doesn't have a USB port for the standard included APC USB
>> cable...for that matter very few multi-interface RouterBoards have USB
>> ports.  Most of our HUB sites are x86 based routers, so it hasn't been a
>> huge deal for us, but having the ability to monitor the UPS via the
MikroTik
>> router is very handy.
>>
>> We have many of the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount remote power
>> switches.  We've been seeing a higher failure rate out of them than we
like
>> to see.  Basically they just become "deaf" or non-responsive via their
>> Ethernet port...even after a hard reset they are toast.  Anyone else
seeing
>> similar results from the Digital Logger rack mount 8 port?  They're a
great
>> value at $200-$300, but not if we keep seeing failures...
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck Profito
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:53 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>>
>> http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
>>
>> This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
>> line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have
saved a
>> trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
>> Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
>> network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you
know
>> how long the batteries will last.
>>
>>
>> Chuck Profito
>> 209-988-7388
>> CV-Access, Inc.
>> www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
>> Providing Broadband Internet Access to
>> California's Rural Central Valley
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>>
>>What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
>> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
>> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Brad Belton]

Butch Evans put together a MikroTik script for us that monitors our APC
UPSs.  Sends us an email when power is lost along with battery time
remaining.  Then sends us an email again once power is restored and again
updates the remaining battery life.  Works well, but unfortunately the
RB493AH doesn't have a USB port for the standard included APC USB
cable...for that matter very few multi-interface RouterBoards have USB
ports.  Most of our HUB sites are x86 based routers, so it hasn't been a
huge deal for us, but having the ability to monitor the UPS via the MikroTik
router is very handy.

We have many of the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount remote power
switches.  We've been seeing a higher failure rate out of them than we like
to see.  Basically they just become "deaf" or non-responsive via their
Ethernet port...even after a hard reset they are toast.  Anyone else seeing
similar results from the Digital Logger rack mount 8 port?  They're a great
value at $200-$300, but not if we keep seeing failures...

Best,



Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Profito
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:53 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html

This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have saved a
trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know
how long the batteries will last.


Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-Access, Inc.
www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  
Providing Broadband Internet Access to 
California's Rural Central Valley


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

  What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at 
WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are 
cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.

-- 


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[WISPA] Looking for business class service in Tyler, TX...

[Brad Belton]

I have a lead for a 5MB business class customer in Tyler, TX. off of the
South side of Loop 323.  Please contact me off list if interested.

Thank you,


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Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

[Brad Belton]

While we are not a large customer of BridgeWave, we have purchased and
deployed a handful of AR80X-AES radios.  BridgeWave has always been
extremely responsive to any technical issues we experienced as well as an
overall great company to work with in all aspects.  We will continue to
purchase and deploy BridgeWave equipment.  

I encourage all WISPA members to strongly consider BridgeWave products if
they require a GigE line speed radio.

Regarding this particular issue with an installer losing a radio; there is
too little information provided to take much of any credible stance on it.

Best,


Brad Belton
BelWave Communications



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

Allthough, I generally dislike policies that only sell radios in pairs, 
their is a flip side.

60Ghz radios are tougher to make work togeather than other freqs. Its very 
important that the power levels of each radio side are closely matched. 
60Ghz radios are usually tested and certified in pairs at the factory, in 
order to be able to guarantee the proper operation of a pair.  A number of 
times, when we used 60Ghz radios (a brand other than brodgewave) and tried 
to mismatch radios from different pairs, often the links would not work 
properly.

It may be necessary to send the single radio to bridgewave to be matched 
with a new second side radio, and tuned and certified as a new pair. There 
could be a significant cost to that.

I do not want to speak for BRidgewave, I'm just saying It can be more 
complicated than just having Bridgewave sell and send a single radio out as 
a replacement, when dealing with 60Ghz.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave


Attention Bridgewave Support,
You are being copied live on a WISPA email list server.  According to
the guy noted below you guys make it a policy to only sell radios in
pairs instead of one radio even in a hardship situation like this.
That really sounds like you are bullying the customer to me. So here
is the deal. You have a few hundred operators copied on this list. Is
this your policy? Are you going to help this operator or not? Remember
that the future ability for you to sell to operators representing a
couple of million customers are probably represented here on this list
and will read your reply. Let me be clear in stating that I pledge to
NEVER buy from your company, EVER ,if you are not going to help this
guy and sell him the one radio he needs to fix this terrible
situation.
Sincerely,
John Scrivner
President
Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc.



>> -Original Message-
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>> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:53 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave
>>
>> One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60. According to
>> our
>> reseller we need to purchase a complete new link.
>>
>> What would you guys do in this case? Press charges against the
>> installer
>> and file with insurance? Just fire the employee? Anyone else had
>> someone
>> this stupid do something similar?
>>
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[WISPA] AT&T u-verse down again...

[Brad Belton]

http://cbs11tv.com/local/att.u.verse.2.1783395.html






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Re: [WISPA] Apex firmware upgrade problem

[Brad Belton]

As Travis said make sure you've issued the "tftpd on" command, but also make
sure your router isn't blocking or firewalling the traffic from reaching the
radios.  Do your radios have a valid ipconfig with a good gateway?

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:04 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apex firmware upgrade problem

You turned on tftp on the radio first, right?

tftpd on

Travis
Microserv

Scott Carullo wrote:
> Maybe I'm doing (or not doing) something simple, but I am unable to tftp 
> upgrade files to either of the APEX radios on either side of a link.
torch 
> shows my computer trying to connect but no data back from either radio and

> tftp command times out without success.
>
> Current version info below.  Tried rebooting, using another computer on 
> another subnet, turning opmode off etc - nothing works I cannot get the 
> radio to accept a file via tftp.  Any ideas?
>
> Current
> Image Version
> FPGA version:   00151209
> OS version: 2p6r14b3D08200901
> FW version: 1p2r2D082009
> PIC version:217
> Modem version:  38
> RFM version:27
>
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> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
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Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question

[Brad Belton]

We apply Coax-Seal around the cable clamp gland wrapping it out to the 3/8"
armored CAT5 cable, but not around the 1/8 turn locking collar.  I agree the
Apex cable entries are about as chickenshit as we've ever seen, but so far
no water issues when additional Coax-Seal is used.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:22 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question

Those of you that use this equipment do you recommend using the supplied 
connectors for ethernet only or do you seal around them with additional 
material like coax seal or similar?  

I have never liked connectors that have cables enter from the sides into 
the equipment even with the fancy seal connectors provided.  I just don't 
want to have a problem and was curious what you guys do to keep the water 
out or if what is provided is sufficient.

Thanks for your time.

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102






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Re: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's

[Brad Belton]

To be a bit more specific, we haven't had any issues with our generic fiber
SX, LX and ZX SFPs, but the copper GigE SFPs do not seem to work.  It's rare
we use a copper SFP, but thought I'd clarify further.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's


Brad:
That is interesting... you should mention Dell 6248's... these are the 
exact units that I am not having luck with the generic SFP's...

Gino:  Not to step on WISPA Vendor Member's toes.. but these folks may 
be able to ship ...
http://www.fo4all.com/index.html

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 5/25/2010 3:53 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
> Our Dell 6248s seem to be ok with "generic" SFPs.  I guess YMMV and
exactly
> what "generic" SFP you source.
>
> BTW Gino, I checked our source and he's out of ZX right now.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's
>
> I guess what Dennis is asking For What Equipment you want these SFP..
>
> Even though they are supposed to be a 'Standard'...but they tend not to
> 'inter-operate'.
>
>
> e.g.  Dell Switches do no like generic SFP's.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>
>
> On 5/25/2010 3:39 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>> 1000 base ZX, LC connectors
>>
>> Note, ZX spec is 70km
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:36 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's
>>
>> We stock SFPs.  Specifics?
>>
>> ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
>> MTCTCE, MTCUME
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik&   WISP Support Services
>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List; motor...@afmug.com
>> Subject: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's
>>
>> Anyone can ship them today?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> 787.273.4143
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Re: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's

[Brad Belton]

Our Dell 6248s seem to be ok with "generic" SFPs.  I guess YMMV and exactly
what "generic" SFP you source.

BTW Gino, I checked our source and he's out of ZX right now.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's

I guess what Dennis is asking For What Equipment you want these SFP..

Even though they are supposed to be a 'Standard'...but they tend not to 
'inter-operate'.


e.g.  Dell Switches do no like generic SFP's.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 5/25/2010 3:39 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> 1000 base ZX, LC connectors
>
> Note, ZX spec is 70km
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's
>
> We stock SFPs.  Specifics?
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
> MTCTCE, MTCUME
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik&  WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List; motor...@afmug.com
> Subject: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's
>
> Anyone can ship them today?
>
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Re: [WISPA] FiberTower for backhauling ?

[Brad Belton]

We've leased 38GHz spectrum from FiberTower (actually the company prior to
FiberTower) for several years now.  We also have one very small fiber PtP
circuit from them simply because they had some available bandwidth between
two common sites and it was easier (which is rare) for us to have them
provide the loop than do it ourselves.

All in all FiberTower has been easy to work with, but our situation may be
different than some as we share common some sites together.

YMMV and I agree they are typically geared towards cellular carriers and not
smaller providers.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FiberTower for backhauling ?

Actually, to more fair, I should state...
Fibertower owns and leases spectrum (24/39Ghz) as well as selling backhaul 
bandwidth. I would think they'd lease spectrum to anyone that was willing to

pay for it.
I was assuming you were asking about backhaul bandwidth.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:05 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FiberTower for backhauling ?


> Does anyone use FiberTower for backhauling?
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Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble

[Brad Belton]

Ha!  Good to hear and you have to love the simple fix!

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 2:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble

Ok, I think we finally fixed it. It was only happening when it was hot 
becauseof a loose wire. The PS that came from Trango already had the 
power connector on it, so we didn't check the set screws that hold the wires

into the connector. While I was troubleshooting today, one of the wires fell

out. Both set screws were so loose, I'm suprised they stayed in long enough 
for us to mount the equipment. I tightened them down, and the problem seems 
to be solved.

Cheers,
Kevin
- Original Message - 
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble


> Sure its possible to have a radio that is failing. All I can say isthe
> easiest and quickest thing to do is to 100% rule out everything else.
> I have to admit, I jumped to think I had a bad radio twice, even go the
> replacements shipped, and both times it ended up being cabling after all.
> The Apexes are pretty solid.
>
> There are so many possible ways CAT5 can go bad. And I know, the odds of 
> two
> cables going bad, (the management and Data) doesn't sound likey, but its
> possible.
> the APEX can be powered up by ether management or data cable. You might 
> want
> to try powering from the other one.
>
> For cable damage, the big things are corrosion on the pins, or a bad crimp
> to one of the pins. Those things are hard to spot, and dont always surface
> for 6 months or so.. Cable blows in the wind, link goes down, or overheats
> or shuts down because not getting enough current or to much while shorting
> out.
>
> Now when the APEXs first came out (like the first batch) there was a
> manufacturering flaw with a part that I think effected Ethernet life, but
> Trango proactively recalled them, like days after they shipped, and gave
> free repairs on it. (I was impressed, very responsibly done) But that was
> ages ago.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kevin Sullivan" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
>
>
>> It's been running six months without a dropped packet. Cable run is ~100
>> feet, maybe a little less. We were powering it over the data port, but we
>> switched to the management port today. We checked the power output on the
>> PS, and with the power supply plugged into the power injector, but the
>> radio
>> not actually working, we got -47.8v. That makes me think it is unlikely 
>> to
>> be an actual power supply issue.
>>
>>I'm starting to wonder if it is heat related somehow. The problem
>> started at around 10:00am today, and now that it's nearing six and 
>> cooling
>> down, the link came back up and started working fine. I can't think what
>> else it would be related to... maybe the power injector doesn't like it
>> when
>> it gets warm? I have a new power injector coming from Trango -- I'm
>> thinking
>> maybe the current power injector has a bad component that doesn't react
>> well
>> to heat.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Brad Belton" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
>>
>>
>>> How long have you had the link installed?
>>>
>>> How long is the Ethernet cable that you are running the PoE on?
>>>
>>> Are you powering the unit over the management port or the data port?
>>>
>>> We had trouble keeping an Apex unit powered up some time ago.  It would
>>> run
>>> for 15min to an hour and then stop.  Turned out even though the Ethernet
>>> cable was only 250-260' we determined we need to power the unit via a
>>> shorter cable run.  Once we did that the problem hasn't arisen again
>>> since.
>>>
>>> The odd thing is we have several Apex radios running without trouble on
>>> cables even longer than the 250-260' cable this unit was running on.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun..

Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble

[Brad Belton]

Possibly with the Trango rack mount style power supplies (have to go look at
one to confirm) or a third party power suppliy, but not with the Trango
laptop power supply style.  

We were using the Trango laptop style PS on this particular Apex as it was a
single client user with VERY limited space.  There was no room for even a 1U
power supply!  Now that's limited space!  Lol

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble

Voltage on the power supply can be increased if all you need is a
shorter power run.

On 5/14/10, Brad Belton  wrote:
> How long have you had the link installed?
>
> How long is the Ethernet cable that you are running the PoE on?
>
> Are you powering the unit over the management port or the data port?
>
> We had trouble keeping an Apex unit powered up some time ago.  It would
run
> for 15min to an hour and then stop.  Turned out even though the Ethernet
> cable was only 250-260' we determined we need to power the unit via a
> shorter cable run.  Once we did that the problem hasn't arisen again
since.
>
> The odd thing is we have several Apex radios running without trouble on
> cables even longer than the 250-260' cable this unit was running on.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
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> Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:26 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble
>
> Hello,
> We have an 11ghz Trango APEX link up for one of our incoming lines,
and
> it went down this morning. There is no link light on either the managment
or
> traffic port on one end. We unplugged-and-replugged the power on it, and
it
> came back up for fifteen to twenty minutes, then crashed again. I've been
> trying to get a hold of Trango tech support, but so far it's been several
> hours and I just keep getting voice mail. Has anyone else seen anything
like
> this?
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble

[Brad Belton]

How long have you had the link installed?

How long is the Ethernet cable that you are running the PoE on?

Are you powering the unit over the management port or the data port?

We had trouble keeping an Apex unit powered up some time ago.  It would run
for 15min to an hour and then stop.  Turned out even though the Ethernet
cable was only 250-260' we determined we need to power the unit via a
shorter cable run.  Once we did that the problem hasn't arisen again since.

The odd thing is we have several Apex radios running without trouble on
cables even longer than the 250-260' cable this unit was running on.

Best,


Brad


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX link trouble

Hello,
We have an 11ghz Trango APEX link up for one of our incoming lines, and
it went down this morning. There is no link light on either the managment or
traffic port on one end. We unplugged-and-replugged the power on it, and it
came back up for fifteen to twenty minutes, then crashed again. I've been
trying to get a hold of Trango tech support, but so far it's been several
hours and I just keep getting voice mail. Has anyone else seen anything like
this?

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software

[Brad Belton]

I'm pretty sure www.wispmon.com does this too along with much more.

Best,


Brad


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Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software

I use Powercode.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sara Gray" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software


> I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets,
> appointments, and customer information.  Can anyone suggest a good 
> software
> that can do this.  Id like to have web access.  I've looked at a few but
> have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of what
> others have used and like.  Thanks for any input.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Was Pigs fly, now "company man"

[Brad Belton]

LOL...too funny!  That's a keeper!

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 12:45 AM
To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was Pigs fly, now "company man"

Out of all the things I've seen on this list, that last line was a total 
winner.




- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Sharples" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was Pigs fly, now "company man"


>A friend just forwarded this to me:
>
> Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "pick 
> up
> your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the
> promised land."
>
> Nearly 75 years agao, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovel, sit on your
> asses, and light up a camel, this is the promised land."
>
> Now, our Congress has stolen your shovel, taxed our asses, raised the 
> price
> of camels, and mortgaged the promised land!
>
> Furthermore, I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care 
> Plans,
> the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement
> funds, etc.  I called Lifeline, the suicide help line. Got a call center 
> in
> Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal.
>
> They all got excited and asked me if I could drive a truck.
>
> Tom S.
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was Pigs fly, now "company man"
>
>
>>I think he's trying to feed us ;)
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Jack Unger  wrote:
>>> Please don't feed the MDK troll.
>>>
>>> MDK wrote:
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>> ++
>>> --
>>> From: "Mark Nash - Lists" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:38 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free enterprise,sure, when pigs fly
>>>
>>>
>>> Give the facts, give the opinion, leave the radical commentary for the
>>> other
>>> lists for people who share your views and want to hear it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Company Man.
>>> It's a term used at times to describe someone who is engaged by the top
>>> management to work among the producers, to make sure that nobody
>>> rebelled,
>>> everyone followed policy, and to give management notice if anyone tended
>>> to
>>> be outspoken or lead complaining about things ythat were wrong.   Their
>>> job
>>> was to help squelch or otherwise shut down disagreement with the top
>>> brass.
>>> Often spies for management, to find out who to get rid of.   Generally a
>>> derogative term.   Used deliberately by me.
>>> Let's imagine, if you will, that instead of being a nation, we're just a
>>> big
>>> company.   After all, the job of politics is little more than to force
>>> people to behave certain ways, spend the money they earn for what the 
>>> top
>>> brass want.
>>> Today, almost 3 of every 10 dollars of income is spent by the
>>> administrations.   That is, management consumes, without investing a
>>> penny
>>> in productivity, almost 1/3 of all the company revenues. This year,
>>> the
>>> company will spend almost twice what it takes in in revenues.   The rest
>>> will be borrowed in the name of the employees.   Every management
>>> function
>>> of the central office is duplicated by the state offices.   They do not
>>> agree on the rule in the books that you must follow.Almost every
>>> management function of the state administration is duplicated at the
>>> central
>>> office, as well.   Again, the rules are not the same.And in spite of
>>> all
>>> that spending, NOTHING IS INVESTED IN IMPROVING PRODUCTIVITY.Nor has
>>> it
>>> been in at least a couple decades.
>>> Despite the fact that nobody in the "main office" produces anything, has
>>> any
>>> idea how to do anything the company does, and the hiring policy requires
>>> neither experience nor knowledge of what is produced,  the main office
>>> has
>>> produced so many rules about how to run it, that their office building
>>> that
>>> houses JUST THE PRINTOUTS was in danger of collapsing under the weight.
>>> And that's just the paperwork about former employee medical benefits.  (
>>> google for story of VA offices threatened by the sheer weight of case
>>> files
>>> backlogged)
>>> The main office spends about 1 of every 3 dollars that the company takes
>>> in,
>>> and it controls additionally about 2 of every 10 dollars the company
>>> brings
>>> in, but it does so simply by requiring others to spend it - none of 
>>> which
>>> is
>>> invested in productivity - almost all is spent to PREVENT productivity.
>>> In addition to that, the main office confiscates 17% of every employee's
>>> paycheck to spend, and promises that when you retire, it'll pay it back
>>> to
>>> you... in payments - if you

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[Brad Belton]

Hello Adam,

Good information to know.  Yes, our experience with VL was some time
ago...well before 5.5.26 for sure!  

I can't believe I'm saying this, but we may have an application for a VL
deployment in a desert at some point.  We're looking for a PtMP system with
AES256 and I'm pretty sure VL has it.  Not sure if there are any other PtMP
products out there with AES256, but if a vendor reads this and has such a
critter feel free to send me information off list.

Best,



Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

Hi Brad,
Alvarion firmware 5.5.26 and above have some decent mechanisms to deal with
noise and flooded RF environments. However, the clients need to have a
decent receive level (roughly -65 or better) if the noise floor is higher
than -90 in order to keep traffic flowing decently. There are a couple other
mechanisms internally to the radio such as Noise Immunity controls and a few
others. 5.5 and above is almost a requirement when running Alvarion VL
equipment. Anything below 5.5 doesn't show noise floor or RSSI (they only
show SNR, which is just weird).


On 4/24/10 8:05 PM, "Brad Belton"  wrote:

> Agreed.  A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL.
> Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a
> valued client before we threw in the towel.  No mechanism to deal with
noise
> AT ALL.  For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for
> an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
>
> On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu  wrote:
>> Any Alvarion VL users out there?  We're inheriting several towers, and
> curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention
>
> Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no
> transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for
> variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

[Brad Belton]

Agreed.  A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL.
Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a
valued client before we threw in the towel.  No mechanism to deal with noise
AT ALL.  For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for
an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users

On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu  wrote:
> Any Alvarion VL users out there?  We're inheriting several towers, and
curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention

Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no
transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for
variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases.




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Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

[Brad Belton]

Hello Scott,

Yes, the links will work great until you have a heavy rain.  Talk to Travis
about the 38GHz links he has running at several miles with great uptime.
Great uptime because he's nearly running them in a vacuum environment...IMO!
lol  Unfortunately you and I do not enjoy such an RF friendly environment
for our paths.

Right now most of our 11GHz links are Trango GigaLINK which are the split
architecture design (we required coax runs) and may not be as powerful as
the Apex.  We have a few Apex 11GHz links up and they do seem to perform
better, but none of them are as long as some of our GigaLINK paths.  The
Apex also has a much better "hitless" modulation shift than the Giga, so
your overall experience during rain fade events will be better with an Apex
than a Giga.

Agreed, our sites have alternate paths to fail to during rain fade or in the
event of equipment failure.  However, there is still a momentary drop in
service and we strive for as close to 100% availability as possible.  With
the proliferation of VoIP running across our network our clients demand it!

Four nines always sounds great and looks great on paper, but it never seems
to occur when no one is watching!  That hour of estimated downtime is always
at the worst time.  

I'm happy to offer any additional help with your Trango gear offlist if you
want to bounce configuration or other specific questions that may come up.

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

Hey Brad...  I'm not familiar with this gear (or any at 11Ghz).  Trango ran 
the analysis and came back with 4 9's for the link. There was about 35db 
rain fade margin at 100Mb rate. 

I assume maybe a problem in a torrential downpour but will a good ole 
regular rain take the link out?  I've got burstable bandwidth that can 
cutover when / if the link goes down on 95th percentile usage so if it 
doesn't happen often it shouldn't be noticed or matter.  Just want to get 
the 100Mb from the other city when available cause its less expensive.

I'm actually considering two back-to-back apex links 18 mile hop on first 
one and 25 mile hop on next one.  Numbers look good on the link path 
analysis not considering rain (all the 11gig links have 4ft 40db 
antennas spec'd)

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

----

From: "Brad Belton" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:56 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

Ceragon is great gear, but a good bit more expensive than Trango Apex.  

11Ghz will easily rain fade at 20miles in our K or M rain zone.  We have
14mile 11GHz links that have faded with rain I can't imagine Florida with 
a
N rain zone (the worst rain zone in N America) will be a good place for a
long 11Ghz path much less 20 mile path!

I guess it just depends on what level of availability your path requires.

Best,

Brad

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

Just curious,

what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them?

Regards

> We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links.  We are in
> rain zone N so lets see how they hold.
> 
> Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected
> in the low 50's.  Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) 
> 
> Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW
> Horizon
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Scott Carullo
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
> 
> Looking for options...
> 
> Trango Apex is on top of my list for now.  If that needs to change let
> me 
> know...  thanks.
> 
> Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or
> under.  
> In Florida.  Any other better options let me know.
> 
> Thanks for your time
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

[Brad Belton]

Ceragon is great gear, but a good bit more expensive than Trango Apex.  

11Ghz will easily rain fade at 20miles in our K or M rain zone.  We have
14mile 11GHz links that have faded with rain I can't imagine Florida with a
N rain zone (the worst rain zone in N America) will be a good place for a
long 11Ghz path much less 20 mile path!

I guess it just depends on what level of availability your path requires.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

Just curious,

what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them?

Regards

> We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links.  We are in
> rain zone N so lets see how they hold.
> 
> Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected
> in the low 50's.  Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) 
> 
> Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW
> Horizon
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Carullo
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
> 
> Looking for options...
> 
> Trango Apex is on top of my list for now.  If that needs to change let
> me 
> know...  thanks.
> 
> Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or
> under.  
> In Florida.  Any other better options let me know.
> 
> Thanks for your time
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
> 
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Re: [WISPA] 8 port pci ?

[Brad Belton]

We use the Silicom six port PCI Express cards with great success.  I've
never seen a NIC with more than six ports.

Best,


Brad


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Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 8 port pci ?

Does anyone know of an 8 port PCI Express Ethernet card?
While we can do some vlanning - there is an express reason asking for this
monster. 


Thanks


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Re: [WISPA] Switch recommendations

[Brad Belton]

Agreed.  Stick with what works for you.  If you've been happy with Dell then
why change?  We've been very happy with our Dell switches.  HP switches are
also great, but we've settled on Dell.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Switch recommendations

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 17:41, Mike Hammett wrote:

> I had a Dell PowerConnect 3048 die on me today...  I owned it for probably
> 6 years and only paid $150 for it.  Recommendations for a reasonably
priced
> managed 48 port switch?  Doesn't have to be new.  Recommendations to stay
> away from?
>

If you've had good luck with Dell, might as well stick with 'em.

Assuming you don't need anything really fancy in terms of management
features, the Dell PowerConnect 5448 might fit the bill, and it's usually
available for under $1000 (possibly way under $1000 if you have a good Dell
sales rep).

I've just rolled out a few 5424s (same thing only with 24 ports instead of
48), and they work well enough. You don't get some of the fancy features
like Q-in-Q, but that's not a problem for most smaller outfits.

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Part 15 Operation in the 10500 - 10550 Mhz

[Brad Belton]

Funny you bring this up.  I mentioned this to Trango some time ago (after
they shelved their MP product) and asked if they could develop a PtMP system
in the 10GHz band.  They were unaware of any Part15 spectrum in 10GHz.

So, the question to all our vendors today is:  Is there 50MHz Part15
spectrum available in the 10GHz band?

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:46 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Part 15 Operation in the 10500 - 10550 Mhz

It appears that 10500 to 10550 falls under Part 15

 

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=47&PART=15&SEC
TION=245&TYPE=TEXT

 

Can it be used for PTP? Like 24 Ghz?

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

 





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Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)

[Brad Belton]

Intel Dual Port Pro1000 PCI-X GigE cards will work in a standard 32BIT PCI
slot.  The Intel Quad Port PCI-X cards will only work in a PCI-X slot.

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Sharples
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 3:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)

Never mind just figured it out :-) The problem for me is that I work almost 
exclusively on embedded X86 using Alix and rarely have to deal with standard

x86 mobos. So it looks like this older Imagestream gateway is limited to 
100baseT unless there's a trick way to accomodate PCI-X cards (?)

Tom S.


- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Sharples" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)


The one I have doesn't have PCI-express slots, just standard 32 bit PCI. I
guess I can use the Intel dual 1000 cards:

http://www.intel.com/products/server/adapters/pro1000mt-dualport/pro1000mt-d
ualport-overview.htm

altho looking on-line the edge connector is longer than the regular PCI
slot. Is that for another style of PCI?

Tom S.
- Original Message - 
From: "Frank Crawford" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)


Tom, You might want to check if that imagestream 2006 MoBo has pci-e
slots in it

Josh Luthman wrote:
> You just saved many people hundreds or thousands :)
>
> On 4/15/10, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Yup... that's the one.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe this one?
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>>> continue
>>> that counts."
>>> --- Winston Churchill
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tom Sharples 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Thanks guys!
   - Original Message -
  From: Travis Johnson
  To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List
  Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)


  We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and
 they
 worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards.

  Travis
  Microserv


  Tom Sharples wrote:
 Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) ,
 unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet cards
 (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard (e.g. 3com,
 intel,
 whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a proprietary
 card?

 Thanks,

 Tom S.

 - Original Message -
 From: "Tom DeReggi" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?


 Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal.
 A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new.

 (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older model
 that
 doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: "Tom Sharples" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?


 I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet
 expansion
 boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I don't know
 what
 this model costs new with the added ports. Way more than we really
 need.
 I'm
 looking forward to trying it out tho.

 Tom S.

 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?


 Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues.  Need to push a
 little bit and use the phone.  To this day I've not had a response to
 my emails without a phone call.

 On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert  wrote:
  On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
I really think you'll love ImageStream...
  I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we
 inherited.  Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was pretty
 happy.

 I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is
 currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple
 subnets on the same interface.  The shellcmd plugin lets me have a GUI
 to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface configuration GUI
 of pfSense 1.2.3.

 I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the
 Interface