Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-06 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
I don't think so :) > And the only one on this list out of the States? Is that right? -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
red, and what was > once a profitable business is now bleeding red ink and needs to reach > 2,000 customers before things get good again > > Which creates an interesting question -- if you're such a WISP, do you > just stop and sit tight at 700 customers? Or do you "

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-05 Thread Josh Luthman
nd what an organization needs to support itself >>> (e.g., it >>> doesn't scale linearly) >>>> >>>> The picture looks more like this >>>> >>>> 700 customers -- one-man band (or equivalent) -- highly profitable >>>> >>>>

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-05 Thread Gino Villarini
t;> Unfortunately, there's a minimum amount of overhead required, and >>> what >> was once a profitable business is now bleeding red ink and needs to >> reach >> 2,000 customers before things get good again >>> >>> Which creates an interestin

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-05 Thread Josh Luthman
- if you're such a WISP, do you > just stop and sit tight at 700 customers? Or do you "go-for-broke" by trying > to grow? > > > > -Charles > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wis

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-05 Thread Matt Jenkins
harles > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of jp > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:36 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > > On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-05 Thread Charles Wu
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600, Wallace Walcher wrote: > Having built my WISP from scratch wit

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-05 Thread jp
On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600, Wallace Walcher wrote: > Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being > debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly > classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash. I am making a very good > li

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-04 Thread Wallace Walcher
Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash. I am making a very good living deploying such "trash". My perception is they are either people who

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-03 Thread Tom Sharples
Comments inline below: >I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola >/ WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's >like comparing something that's hypothetical and "looks good on paper" and >"hoping" that it will actually work I don't

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Gino Villarini
Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Michael Baird
ax. It slows the overall >>> performance to much less than 150+ Mbps, but it might get to the >>> 100/user per-AP scale. 3 or 6 months from now we will know of either >>> large deployments or #ubntfail stories. >>> >>> >>> Rubens >>>

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Gino Villarini
performance to much less than 150+ Mbps, but it might get to the >> 100/user per-AP scale. 3 or 6 months from now we will know of either >> large deployments or #ubntfail stories. >> >> >> Rubens >> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From:

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Mike Hammett
ubntfail stories. > > > Rubens > > > -- Forwarded message ------ > From: Charles Wu > Date: Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:33 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > To: WISPA General List > > > > Let's go back to the original thread -- we wer

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Michael Baird
t;> large deployments or #ubntfail stories. >> >> >> Rubens >> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Charles Wu >> Date: Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >> To: WISPA General List >>

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Michael Baird
--- Forwarded message ------ > From: Charles Wu > Date: Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:33 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > To: WISPA General List > > > > Let's go back to the original thread -- we were talking about how > Ubiquiti was "changing the game"

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-31 Thread Randy Cosby
ns > > > -- Forwarded message ------ > From: Charles Wu > Date: Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:33 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > To: WISPA General List > > > > Let's go back to the original thread -- we were talking about how > Ubiquiti w

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear - licensed bands btw

2009-12-31 Thread Matt Liotta
Many of those licenses had serious restrictions, which is why the auction reverse was so low in the first place. -Matt On Dec 31, 2009, at 1:24 AM, Charles Wu wrote: > Speaking of which, did anyone notice the results of the latest BRS Auction > (#86) > > Licenses went for an average of $0.03

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear - licensed bands btw

2009-12-30 Thread Charles Wu
Speaking of which, did anyone notice the results of the latest BRS Auction (#86) Licenses went for an average of $0.03 / MHz POP That means if 60 MHz covering 100,000 people (as defined by Census 2000 numbers) would have gone for $180k -- with the small business 35% credit - that means a WISP w

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Charles Wu
>We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection >radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of >course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end >performance. But there's a huge difference between "using a few here and there" a

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Jerry Richardson
Here we go again. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:15 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Go ahead and

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Ralph
Sorry. Dumb iPhone auto correction changed Tropos to tripod. Lol On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Ralph wrote: > We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection > radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of > course I have used canopy for it too- no re

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread D. Ryan Spott
;> From: Ralph >> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 >> To: WISPA General List >> Cc: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >> >> We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as >> injection >> radios for numerous

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Ralph
27;t understand the rules or > checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Ralph > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 > To: WISPA General List > Cc: WISPA General List > Sub

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread eje
st Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mik

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Ralph
We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On D

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Charles Wu
I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and "looks good on paper" and "hoping" that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, t

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Charles Wu
Blake Covarrubias Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the deployment -- you or the government =) With or without government stimulus I'm curious of

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Philip Dorr
works > 813.426.4230 mobile > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Gino Villarini > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > > Funny > >

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Jerry Richardson
no worries. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Hey, we are all winding down from a long year... Patrick

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Terry Hickey
; Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > For that i have my Nissan Pathfinder > > Sent from my Motorola Startac... > > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:35 PM, "Patrick Leary" > wrote: > >> Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Patrick Leary
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Are we still talking about WiMax? Me thinks this thread hath strayed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Brad Belton
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Jerry Richardson
Are we still talking about WiMax? Me thinks this thread hath strayed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Gino Villarini > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > > Funny > > But I would say Im very satisfied with my curren

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Patrick Leary
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife veto

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Ryan Spott
ybe an old Freewave >> 900 MHz hopper? >> >> >> Patrick Leary >> Aperto Networks >> 813.426.4230 mobile >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Gino Villarini

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
a.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Gino Villarini > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > > Funny > > But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW > > Gino A. Villar

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Patrick Leary
hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while the Porsche race drivers are pretty cool, I find most Porsche "off track" owners to be rather snobbish...but

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while the Porsche race drivers are pretty cool, I find most Porsche "off track" owners to be rather snobbish...but I not sur

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Robert West
Maybe one can outrun 802.16e? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Bret Clark
ecember 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive.

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
and test). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Stuart Pierce
Sounds like you gave a choice for the answer, if the government does, then you have, twice. WIMAX equipment cost is the entry block. As broadband needs "keep" growing, you'll see an increased number of smaller "wisp" cells using equipment such as UBNT. That is until the government uses your mone

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
I don't see LTE being developed for other markets than cellcos Don't expect a LTE system for EBS spectrum Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 30, 2009, at 3:00 AM, "Blake Covarrubias" wrote: >> I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for >> the deployment -- y

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Blake Covarrubias
> I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the > deployment -- you or the government =) With or without government stimulus I'm curious of the lists' general consensus on whether or not WiMAX is worthwhile investment in this 'war' of LTE vs WiMAX. Having Uncle Sam fo

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Charles Wu
>> LTE has already won and .16e will find only small, limited life and even >> less >> mass development. >Do you see any point in small BRS/EBS (MMDS/ITFS) license holders deploying >802.16e in these frequency bands? Hi Blake, I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill fo

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
;Gino Villarini" > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Cc: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > >> Tom >> >> ROTFL >> >> You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motor

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > I hate to sabatage this 3650 thread, but I cant help myself, when 802.16e is > mentioned for PtMP > > 1) Ubiquiti Mimo AP - $89,  capacity up to 150 mb, (or maybe 50mbps might be > more fair, for avg 20 Mhz channel 2x pole). Not available

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Mike Hammett
ics-il.com -- From: "Gino Villarini" Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: "WISPA General List" Cc: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > Tom > > ROTFL > > You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e > > That

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
gt; 813.426.4230 mobile > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:00 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > > I hate to

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
; IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "3-dB Networks" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > > >> Everytime I see that pric

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
big splash in the market. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "3-dB Networks" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, December 29,

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
amp; Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Patrick Leary" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > In our case, the numbers are about $20k for three sectors yielding an

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
uot; To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto > give > pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off &g

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
less, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "3-dB Networks" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've s

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
: [WISPA] Wimax gear I hate to sabatage this 3650 thread, but I cant help myself, when 802.16e is mentioned for PtMP 1) Ubiquiti Mimo AP - $89, capacity up to 150 mb, (or maybe 50mbps might be more fair, for avg 20 Mhz channel 2x pole). 2) Mikroik AP MIMO- $400, capacity: same as Ubiquiti, but

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > LTE has already won and .16e will find only small, limited life and > even les

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
I hate to sabatage this 3650 thread, but I cant help myself, when 802.16e is mentioned for PtMP 1) Ubiquiti Mimo AP - $89, capacity up to 150 mb, (or maybe 50mbps might be more fair, for avg 20 Mhz channel 2x pole). 2) Mikroik AP MIMO- $400, capacity: same as Ubiquiti, but with Spectrum A

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Blake Covarrubias
> LTE has already won and .16e will find only small, limited life and even less > mass development. Do you see any point in small BRS/EBS (MMDS/ITFS) license holders deploying 802.16e in these frequency bands? > Huwaei then (in my opinion) > uses its capture of .16e customers as the Trojan Hor

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
d >> >> >> ----- Original Message - >> From: "Gino Villarini" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Cc: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >> >>

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread 3-dB Networks
al Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Se

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Gino Villarini" > To: "WISPA General List" > Cc: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > > >> L

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
ggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Cc: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > Less? > >

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
u, I personally will not pass judgement one way or the other on this topic. What I will say is interesting new dynamics are being explored, and we are "testing" technology. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message ----- From: "

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
Less? Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using mimo Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, "Patrick Leary" wrote: > Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? > > All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, l

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
that customer to LTE later. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Michael Baird wrote: > Patrick, > > 16e is where the majority of the chipset development is at, and where > companies such as Alcatel/Cisco/Motorola/Alvarion/Zyxel are focusing, > and the new big deployments (Clearwire) are using 802.16e, and we want > the ability

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Patrick, 16e is where the majority of the chipset development is at, and where companies such as Alcatel/Cisco/Motorola/Alvarion/Zyxel are focusing, and the new big deployments (Clearwire) are using 802.16e, and we want the ability to go to 802.16m when available. We also want to take advantag

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Is supporting 802.16e really needed ? If you are providing your own CPEs, 802.16d, pre-WiMAX or Navini CDMA with beamforming could work just fine costing much less. I've tested Redline RedMAX self-install 16d unit and 16d base station and would give it a try on the real environment you wanna cover

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, less throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you won't get any hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB dongles or PC cards, since those are only applicabl

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
esday, December 29, 2009 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Patrick works for Aperto, they don't support beamshaping/mimo or 802.16e, my Alvarion and Navini gear with the non-mimo subscriber radio (mimo on the tower) worked at a mile non-LOS. I appreciate the inp

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
That's what I had in my head typed it out wrong. Do you have much foliage in the way? Was this all LOS driving around? I would imagine once you get inside a house things changes drastically coming from a truck. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Back seat of truck facing the roof, not truck bed. Regards Michael Baird > Good information. > > Keep in mind customer self installs != radio in truck bed. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "The secret to creativity is

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
: [WISPA] Wimax gear Q3 is a better guess I think... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: > Wait for q1 release of the Canopy 320, all that and more > > Gino A. Villarini > g...@aeronetpr.com > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > 787.273.4143 > > -Original Message---

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Good information. Keep in mind customer self installs != radio in truck bed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Micha

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Travis Johnson
Q3 is a better guess I think... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: > Wait for q1 release of the Canopy 320, all that and more > > Gino A. Villarini > g...@aeronetpr.com > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > 787.273.4143 > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Jerry Richardson
thing lese is a waste of our time and energy. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Gino, Where can I fin

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Josh, I tested via a truck, I could take the Alvarion unit and put it on the back seat of the extended cab, and it worked everywhere within a mile radius I drove to. This was an outdoor unit with a 14.5 db panel, strictly speaking I was testing outdoor (I wanted SI's from Alvarion but they are

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Are you (Michael) talking about self install or outdoor install? Mike (Hammett) is talking about self installs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Patrick works for Aperto, they don't support beamshaping/mimo or 802.16e, my Alvarion and Navini gear with the non-mimo subscriber radio (mimo on the tower) worked at a mile non-LOS. I appreciate the input, but it disputes my results in the field (rural heavily treed, not urban). Regards Michae

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Gino, Where can I find detailed info on the product there doesn't seem to be much available in regards to it's routing features. I'm also concerned about the CPE cost/licenses that's what drove us from Canopy before. Regards Michael Baird > Wait for q1 release of the Canopy 320, all that and mo

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Self install won't work in 3650 beyond 1/4 mile, maybe 1/2 mile. Patrick has elaborated on this many times. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Michael Baird" Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:22

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
Wait for q1 release of the Canopy 320, all that and more Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3