Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Zach Underwood]

If you like vyatta you will love it.
On Nov 20, 2013 1:36 PM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

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[WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Fred Goldstein]

On 1/15/2013 8:29 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
> FWIW OpenBSD has L3 MPLS working with a LDP implementation and BGP. No
> VPLS yet but I think I saw something about starting to work on
> pseudowires last year.

Good catch.  You can see MPLS features improving release by release 
through the OpenBSD history.  They treat it as fairly basic.

>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Simon Westlake  > wrote:
>
> > I don't know who is feature complete, or even what constitutes feature
> > complete these days, given how MPLS is sort of a family of moving
> > targets.  I've looked around and seen a few different Linux projects, in
> > various states of partial completion, some seeming to have happy users
> > but no support and others still under way.  It's typical Linux, where
> > the GPL is supposed to make it easy to share but in practice everyone
> > likes to write their own stuff, getting the easy 80% done but not taking
> > the 80% of the time for the rest.  But RouterOS got something out there,
> > and if it's in the kernel, somebody should have made sources available.
> >Not that MT has to say where it came from!  (Or did they fit it into
> > userland?)
> >
> My understanding was that the MT implementation was closed source and,
> as Jeff said, either written in house or licensed from some third party.
>
> I don't know that for sure but, as I'm fairly sure there is no open
> source MPLS project out there that implements everything MT has, they
> have either done considerable work to complete all the missing features
> or wrote from scratch.
>
> I agree with you on the 80% statement but there are benchmark projects
> in Linux for most networking functionality (e.g. tc for rate limiting,
> iptables for firewall, quagga for dynamic routing) and I haven't found
> one of those for MPLS yet.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Fred Goldstein]

On 1/15/2013 8:29 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
> FWIW OpenBSD has L3 MPLS working with a LDP implementation and BGP. No
> VPLS yet but I think I saw something about starting to work on
> pseudowires last year.

Good catch.  You can see MPLS features improving release by release 
through the OpenBSD history.  They treat it as fairly basic.

>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Simon Westlake  > wrote:
>
> > I don't know who is feature complete, or even what constitutes feature
> > complete these days, given how MPLS is sort of a family of moving
> > targets.  I've looked around and seen a few different Linux projects, in
> > various states of partial completion, some seeming to have happy users
> > but no support and others still under way.  It's typical Linux, where
> > the GPL is supposed to make it easy to share but in practice everyone
> > likes to write their own stuff, getting the easy 80% done but not taking
> > the 80% of the time for the rest.  But RouterOS got something out there,
> > and if it's in the kernel, somebody should have made sources available.
> >Not that MT has to say where it came from!  (Or did they fit it into
> > userland?)
> >
> My understanding was that the MT implementation was closed source and,
> as Jeff said, either written in house or licensed from some third party.
>
> I don't know that for sure but, as I'm fairly sure there is no open
> source MPLS project out there that implements everything MT has, they
> have either done considerable work to complete all the missing features
> or wrote from scratch.
>
> I agree with you on the 80% statement but there are benchmark projects
> in Linux for most networking functionality (e.g. tc for rate limiting,
> iptables for firewall, quagga for dynamic routing) and I haven't found
> one of those for MPLS yet.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Jon Auer]

FWIW OpenBSD has L3 MPLS working with a LDP implementation and BGP. No VPLS
yet but I think I saw something about starting to work on pseudowires last
year.


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Simon Westlake  wrote:

> > I don't know who is feature complete, or even what constitutes feature
> > complete these days, given how MPLS is sort of a family of moving
> > targets.  I've looked around and seen a few different Linux projects, in
> > various states of partial completion, some seeming to have happy users
> > but no support and others still under way.  It's typical Linux, where
> > the GPL is supposed to make it easy to share but in practice everyone
> > likes to write their own stuff, getting the easy 80% done but not taking
> > the 80% of the time for the rest.  But RouterOS got something out there,
> > and if it's in the kernel, somebody should have made sources available.
> >Not that MT has to say where it came from!  (Or did they fit it into
> > userland?)
> >
> My understanding was that the MT implementation was closed source and,
> as Jeff said, either written in house or licensed from some third party.
>
> I don't know that for sure but, as I'm fairly sure there is no open
> source MPLS project out there that implements everything MT has, they
> have either done considerable work to complete all the missing features
> or wrote from scratch.
>
> I agree with you on the 80% statement but there are benchmark projects
> in Linux for most networking functionality (e.g. tc for rate limiting,
> iptables for firewall, quagga for dynamic routing) and I haven't found
> one of those for MPLS yet.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Simon Westlake]

> I don't know who is feature complete, or even what constitutes feature
> complete these days, given how MPLS is sort of a family of moving
> targets.  I've looked around and seen a few different Linux projects, in
> various states of partial completion, some seeming to have happy users
> but no support and others still under way.  It's typical Linux, where
> the GPL is supposed to make it easy to share but in practice everyone
> likes to write their own stuff, getting the easy 80% done but not taking
> the 80% of the time for the rest.  But RouterOS got something out there,
> and if it's in the kernel, somebody should have made sources available.
>Not that MT has to say where it came from!  (Or did they fit it into
> userland?)
>
My understanding was that the MT implementation was closed source and, 
as Jeff said, either written in house or licensed from some third party.

I don't know that for sure but, as I'm fairly sure there is no open 
source MPLS project out there that implements everything MT has, they 
have either done considerable work to complete all the missing features 
or wrote from scratch.

I agree with you on the 80% statement but there are benchmark projects 
in Linux for most networking functionality (e.g. tc for rate limiting, 
iptables for firewall, quagga for dynamic routing) and I haven't found 
one of those for MPLS yet.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Fred Goldstein]

On 1/15/2013 2:39 PM, Simon Westlake wrote:
>
>> For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest
>> profit end of the "ISP" business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS
>> is the only game in town.  You do it on a router that has it, or on a
>> "switch" that has it.  Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x)
>> and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't
>> really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled
>> shim below IP.  If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC,
>> then you probably are using MPLS.
>>
>> There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since
>> they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to
>> if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with
>> it.  Cisco is way too expensive.  RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are
>> more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot
>> of other systems).
>>
> Fred,
>
> Which feature complete/stable MPLS implementation for Linux do you know
> of? I haven't seen any and I'd be interested to check it out.

I don't know who is feature complete, or even what constitutes feature 
complete these days, given how MPLS is sort of a family of moving 
targets.  I've looked around and seen a few different Linux projects, in 
various states of partial completion, some seeming to have happy users 
but no support and others still under way.  It's typical Linux, where 
the GPL is supposed to make it easy to share but in practice everyone 
likes to write their own stuff, getting the easy 80% done but not taking 
the 80% of the time for the rest.  But RouterOS got something out there, 
and if it's in the kernel, somebody should have made sources available. 
  Not that MT has to say where it came from!  (Or did they fit it into 
userland?)

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Simon Westlake]

> For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest
> profit end of the "ISP" business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS
> is the only game in town.  You do it on a router that has it, or on a
> "switch" that has it.  Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x)
> and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't
> really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled
> shim below IP.  If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC,
> then you probably are using MPLS.
>
> There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since
> they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to
> if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with
> it.  Cisco is way too expensive.  RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are
> more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot
> of other systems).
>
Fred,

Which feature complete/stable MPLS implementation for Linux do you know 
of? I haven't seen any and I'd be interested to check it out.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Butch Evans]

On Tue, 2013-01-08 at 18:21 -0600, Sam Tetherow wrote:
> Which is debian under the hood.  Haven't used vyatta though so I don't
> know if there is a vyatta abstraction for tc or not, which is why I
> asked the question of the interface for bandwidth limiting.

I haven't looked into the qos in my ERLite, yet.  I DO know that there
is an UGLY abstraction for iptables.  SIGH...I've never understood why
vendors (vyatta in this case) want to make something that is SIMPLE
harder to use.  The firewall should be a very simple input, output,
forward...not all this mess that requires you to define interface, then,
create rules based on interface for input, output and forward for every
interface. 


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Tom Sharples]

  
  
Me too. Too many 12 hour days with
  little sleep.
  
  On 1/11/2013 3:56 AM, Jonathan Schmidt wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I
had second thoughts immediately after I hit the “send”
button.
.
. . j o n a t h a n
 

  
From:
wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Nedolast
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:22 PM
To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port
Router
  

 
A bulge is better.

  Tom
  Sharples <tsharp...@qorvus.com>
  wrote:
   
  
"If
you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic."

Maybe. But I wouldn't use that line until at least the
third date ;-)
  
  

  -
  Original Message -


  From:
  Jonathan Schmidt


  To:
  WISPA General List


  Sent:
  Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:56 PM


  Subject:
      Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router


   

A
trusted supplier also has suppliers who have suppliers. 
We had over a dozen Princeton monitors that all quit
within 6 months of each other after 4 years.  As they
piled up, one of our engineer-programmers had an
epiphany that it might be one common problem…looking at
the stack of monitors 6’ high.  It was caps, of course. 

 
Opening
them up, you could see the bulge in the top of one or
two caps.  There were 4 or 5 of the same kind and one or
the other were blown in the first 3.  He got to the
point where he could fix a monitor in 8 minutes…and we
got them all back.  If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good
as a schematic.
 
This
time it wasn’t the supplier.  They were all running a
volt or two above the rating.  It was the designer.
 
.
. . j o n a t h a n
 
 

  
From:
wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Steve Nedolast
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
    Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port
    Router
  

 
As well as
  samsung recently.

  Blair Davis <the...@wmwisp.net>
wrote:
  BTW, as
a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear
Projection TV's as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only
people who got bit by that capacitor issue...

You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as
well.  Two of the big boys in electronics.

Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted
supplier s you.

Live and learn.

--
  
On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes
  wrote:
  
  

  Ok. Now that I'm on a larger
device than my phone let me elaborate. 


   


  Yes. Beta units are the same as
what are shipping to distributors. Why would they be
any different?  That wouldn't make any sense and
would go against every previous beta Ubiquiti has
ever done. 


   


  Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are
a pain in the rear and take months to get completed
- usually involving sending it direct yourself or
back to your distributor who batches them back to
Latvia.  With Ubiquiti, being US based, you just
s

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I had second thoughts immediately after I hit the “send” button.

. . . j o n a t h a n



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Steve Nedolast
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:22 PM
To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



A bulge is better.

Tom Sharples  wrote:



"If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic."

Maybe. But I wouldn't use that line until at least the third date ;-)

- Original Message -

From: Jonathan Schmidt <mailto:jeschm...@jeschmidt.com>

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



A trusted supplier also has suppliers who have suppliers.  We had over a 
dozen Princeton monitors that all quit within 6 months of each other after 4 
years.  As they piled up, one of our engineer-programmers had an epiphany 
that it might be one common problem…looking at the stack of monitors 6’ 
high.  It was caps, of course.



Opening them up, you could see the bulge in the top of one or two caps. 
There were 4 or 5 of the same kind and one or the other were blown in the 
first 3.  He got to the point where he could fix a monitor in 8 minutes…and 
we got them all back.  If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic.



This time it wasn’t the supplier.  They were all running a volt or two above 
the rating.  It was the designer.



. . . j o n a t h a n





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Steve Nedolast
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



As well as samsung recently.

Blair Davis  wrote:

BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear Projection TV's 
as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got bit by that capacitor 
issue...

You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well.  Two of the big 
boys in electronics.

Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s you.

Live and learn.

--

On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate.



Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why would 
they be any different?  That wouldn't make any sense and would go against 
every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done.



Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to get 
completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to your 
distributor who batches them back to Latvia.  With Ubiquiti, being US based, 
you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one.



Support?  You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I know 
to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get beat up... 
And heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And 
certainly no discussion of competitors products on their forums because that 
would be a bad thing.   I think it speaks worlds that MT uses sometimes come 
over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help  and people help them!



Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the last 
time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering questions?



And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in service 
for a year. . Oh it wait  That issue was never acknowledged was it?

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman  wrote:

I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly expect 
support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in Mikrotik.  Price 
doesn't have a huge gap between them.



Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't 
even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is 
probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.


Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  Now 
what's the answer...




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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have had 
them in heavy production without issue for months.

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman  wrote:

Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your 9 
mo uptime.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Do you have anything to base that on?

I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat 
since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.

Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Steve Nedolast]

A bulge is better.

Tom Sharples  wrote:

>"If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic."
>
>Maybe. But I wouldn't use that line until at least the third date ;-)
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Jonathan Schmidt 
>  To: WISPA General List 
>  Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:56 PM
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>
>
>A trusted supplier also has suppliers who have suppliers.  We had over
>a dozen Princeton monitors that all quit within 6 months of each other
>after 4 years.  As they piled up, one of our engineer-programmers had
>an epiphany that it might be one common problem…looking at the stack of
>monitors 6’ high.  It was caps, of course.  
>
>   
>
>Opening them up, you could see the bulge in the top of one or two caps.
>There were 4 or 5 of the same kind and one or the other were blown in
>the first 3.  He got to the point where he could fix a monitor in 8
>minutes…and we got them all back.  If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good
>as a schematic.
>
>   
>
>This time it wasn’t the supplier.  They were all running a volt or two
>above the rating.  It was the designer.
>
>   
>
>  . . . j o n a t h a n
>
>   
>
>   
>
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Steve Nedolast
>  Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:04 PM
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>
>   
>
>  As well as samsung recently.
>
>  Blair Davis  wrote:
>
>BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear Projection
>TV's as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got bit by that
>capacitor issue...
>
>You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well.  Two of the
>big boys in electronics.
>
>Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s
>you.
>
>  Live and learn.
>
>  --
>
>
>
>  On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>   Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate. 
>
> 
>
>Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why
>would they be any different?  That wouldn't make any sense and would go
>against every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done. 
>
> 
>
>Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to
>get completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to
>your distributor who batches them back to Latvia.  With Ubiquiti, being
>US based, you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one. 
>
> 
>
>Support?  You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I
>know to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get
>beat up... And heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and
>feathered. And certainly no discussion of competitors products on their
>forums because that would be a bad thing.   I think it speaks worlds
>that MT uses sometimes come over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help 
>and people help them!
>
> 
>
>Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the
>last time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering
>questions?
>
> 
>
>And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in
>service for a year. . Oh it wait  That issue was never
>acknowledged was it?
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>
>On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman 
>wrote:
>
>I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly
>expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in
>Mikrotik.  Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. 
>
>   
>
>Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they
>haven't even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or
>something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a
>distributor.
>
>
>Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? 
>Now what's the answer...
>
>
>
>
>  Josh Luthman
>  Office: 937-552-2340
>  Direct: 937-552-2343
>  1100 Wayne St
>  Suite 1337
>  Troy, OH 45373
>
>   
>
>On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:
>
>Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have
>had them in heavy production without issue for months. 
>
>  Sent from my iPad
>
>
>On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman 
>wrote:
>
>Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get
>your 9 mo uptime.
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
&

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Tom Sharples]

"If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic."

Maybe. But I wouldn't use that line until at least the third date ;-)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Schmidt 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router


  A trusted supplier also has suppliers who have suppliers.  We had over a 
dozen Princeton monitors that all quit within 6 months of each other after 4 
years.  As they piled up, one of our engineer-programmers had an epiphany that 
it might be one common problem…looking at the stack of monitors 6’ high.  It 
was caps, of course.  

   

  Opening them up, you could see the bulge in the top of one or two caps.  
There were 4 or 5 of the same kind and one or the other were blown in the first 
3.  He got to the point where he could fix a monitor in 8 minutes…and we got 
them all back.  If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic.

   

  This time it wasn’t the supplier.  They were all running a volt or two above 
the rating.  It was the designer.

   

  . . . j o n a t h a n

   

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Steve Nedolast
  Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:04 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

   

  As well as samsung recently.

  Blair Davis  wrote:

  BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear Projection TV's as 
a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got bit by that capacitor issue...

  You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well.  Two of the big boys 
in electronics.

  Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s you.

  Live and learn.

  --



  On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate. 

 

Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why 
would they be any different?  That wouldn't make any sense and would go against 
every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done. 

 

Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to get 
completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to your 
distributor who batches them back to Latvia.  With Ubiquiti, being US based, 
you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one. 

 

Support?  You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I know 
to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get beat up... And 
heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And certainly 
no discussion of competitors products on their forums because that would be a 
bad thing.   I think it speaks worlds that MT uses sometimes come over to the 
Ubiquiti forum to get help  and people help them!

 

Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the last 
time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering questions?

 

And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in 
service for a year. . Oh it wait  That issue was never acknowledged was 
it?

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman  wrote:

  I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly 
expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in Mikrotik.  
Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. 

   

  Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't 
even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is 
probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.


  Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  
Now what's the answer...




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

  Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have 
had them in heavy production without issue for months. 

  Sent from my iPad


  On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get 
your 9 mo uptime.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Do you have anything to base that on?

I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a 
beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.

Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating 
Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely 
won't use the first generation in pr

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Jonathan Schmidt]

A trusted supplier also has suppliers who have suppliers.  We had over a 
dozen Princeton monitors that all quit within 6 months of each other after 4 
years.  As they piled up, one of our engineer-programmers had an epiphany 
that it might be one common problem…looking at the stack of monitors 6’ 
high.  It was caps, of course.



Opening them up, you could see the bulge in the top of one or two caps. 
There were 4 or 5 of the same kind and one or the other were blown in the 
first 3.  He got to the point where he could fix a monitor in 8 minutes…and 
we got them all back.  If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic.



This time it wasn’t the supplier.  They were all running a volt or two above 
the rating.  It was the designer.



. . . j o n a t h a n





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Steve Nedolast
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



As well as samsung recently.

Blair Davis  wrote:

BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear Projection TV's 
as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got bit by that capacitor 
issue...

You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well.  Two of the big 
boys in electronics.

Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s you.

Live and learn.

--



On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate.



Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why would 
they be any different?  That wouldn't make any sense and would go against 
every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done.



Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to get 
completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to your 
distributor who batches them back to Latvia.  With Ubiquiti, being US based, 
you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one.



Support?  You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I know 
to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get beat up... 
And heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And 
certainly no discussion of competitors products on their forums because that 
would be a bad thing.   I think it speaks worlds that MT uses sometimes come 
over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help  and people help them!



Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the last 
time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering questions?



And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in service 
for a year. . Oh it wait  That issue was never acknowledged was it?

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman  wrote:

I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly expect 
support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in Mikrotik.  Price 
doesn't have a huge gap between them.



Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't 
even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is 
probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.


Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  Now 
what's the answer...




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have had 
them in heavy production without issue for months.

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman  wrote:

Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your 9 
mo uptime.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Do you have anything to base that on?

I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat 
since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.

Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating 
Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I 
likely won't use the first generation in production.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than 
Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. 
Where does this device fit?


Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 4537

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Steve Nedolast]

As well as samsung recently.

Blair Davis  wrote:

>BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear Projection
>TV's as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got bit by that
>capacitor issue...
>
>You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well.  Two of the
>big boys in electronics.
>
>Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s
>you.
>
>Live and learn.
>
>--
>
>
>On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate. 
>
>
>Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why
>would they be any different?  That wouldn't make any sense and would go
>against every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done. 
>
>
>Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to
>get completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to
>your distributor who batches them back to Latvia.  With Ubiquiti, being
>US based, you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one. 
>
>
>Support?  You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I
>know to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get
>beat up... And heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and
>feathered. And certainly no discussion of competitors products on their
>forums because that would be a bad thing.   I think it speaks worlds
>that MT uses sometimes come over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help 
>and people help them!
>
>
>Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the
>last time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering
>questions?
>
>
>And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in
>service for a year. . Oh it wait  That issue was never
>acknowledged was it?
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>
>On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman 
>wrote:
>
>I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly
>expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in
>Mikrotik.  Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. 
>
>
>Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they
>haven't even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or
>something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a
>distributor.
>
>
>Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? 
>Now what's the answer...
>
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:
>
>Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have
>had them in heavy production without issue for months. 
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>
>On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman 
>wrote:
>
>Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get
>your 9 mo uptime.
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
>wrote:
>
>Do you have anything to base that on?
>
>I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a
>beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.
>
>Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating
>Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright.
>I likely won't use the first generation in production.
>
>
>
>-
>Mike Hammett
>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>http://www.ics-il.com
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Josh Luthman" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>
>
>
>I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable
>than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software
>wise. Where does this device fit?
>
>
>Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net
>> wrote:
>
>
>That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>
>
>
>-
>Mike Hammett
>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Christian Palecek" < christ...@cybernet1.com >
>To: "WISPA General List" < w

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Blair Davis]

but give them a couple years and I think
  they'll be alright. I likely won't use the
  first generation in production.
  
  
  
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
  
  - Original Message -
  From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
  To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
      Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3
  3-port Router
  
  
  
  I have no reason to buy them at all.
  They're going to be less reliable than
  Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and
  not be as good software wise. Where does
  this device fit?
  
  
  Their ad suggests it is to replace a
  Cisco. Ya right.
  
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  
  
  On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike
  Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net
  > wrote:
  
  
  That's an awfully bold statement. How
  come?
  
  
  
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
  
  
  
  - Original Message -
  From: "Christian Palecek" < christ...@cybernet1.com
  >
  To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org
          >
  Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3
  3-port Router
  
  I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
  
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
  
  Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net >
  wrote:
  
  >Streakwave is supposedly shipping
  orders placed back when it was announced.
  >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
  >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve
  Barnes" < st...@pcswin.com
  > wrote:
  >
  >> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router
  line. I was not aware that they have
  >> actually shipped to general
  public yet. 
  >>
  >> ** **
  >>
  >> UBNT is trying to get into the
  Router market as well. Time will tell.
  >>
  >> ** **
  >>
  >> Steve Barnes
  >>
  >> General Manager
  >>
  >> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi < http://www.rcwifi.com/
  >
  >>
   

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Blair Davis]

  
  
I've always gotten good support from MT.

A forum is not support.

Any major problem I have contacted them with has been fixed in less
than a day.

--




On 1/9/2013 8:10 PM, Scott Reed wrote:


  Yeah, their automated response that says someone will look at your 
problem suggests you send a .sup file.  However, when I have put a very 
detailed explanation of what I need help with, I have not had any 
problem getting an immediate, correct response from them.

On 1/9/2013 7:45 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
I've contacted MT support once.  It was a week ago.  I had an old 532
running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade.  I went to the website, filled out
the form, attached the sup file and sent it.  I got a reply five minutes
later with a new key.  I upgraded.  Life is good.  :)

Brian


On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote:


  On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:

  
I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
fixed in a newer release.


  
  MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.

The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
to come off as being a bit brusk to us.

I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.

When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
first EdgeRouter.

Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.

I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
it is an alpha release...

I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
in the field.

UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.



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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Of course.  I run ROS on my own x86  all over the place.

--
On 1/9/2013 6:35 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  You have AirOS or that router software on your own x86
hardware?
  Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
  On Jan 9, 2013 6:30 PM, "Matt Hoppes"

wrote:

  
Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I
  don't like MikroTik. With Uniquiti there are no license
  levels. You get what you purchased. 
  
  On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman 
  wrote:
  


  
Because a bunch of people run cracked copies...
Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, "Matt
  Hoppes" 
  wrote:
  
supp...@mikrotik.com?
 Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to
supply your serial number.  As if I'd ask for
support for a product I don't own.

On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert 
wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike
Hammett wrote:
>> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many
many years and I plan to
>> use them both for many years. MT support
has been almost completely
>> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly
quickly. That said,
>> usually when I notice a problem with my MT
product, it's already been
>> fixed in a newer release.
>
> MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I
get timely responses
> from supp...@mikrotik.com.
 I don't understand the people who
> complain on the forums that MT support is
horrible and refuse to
> e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.
 I am not saying that Mike is one of
> those guys.  I don't know if his statement is
based on experience
> with supp...@mikrotik.com
or not.
>
> The east europe/western asia folks just seem to
have a bit of a
> different take on things than we in North
America do.  I think
> that's just due to the culture and language
differences.  They tend
> to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
>
> I don't trust any newly shipping product in a
production environment.
> They go into designated test environments.  The
Edge Router may be
> the best thing since sliced bread.  However,
the devices I've used
> the Quagga stack on have let me down more than
the MikroTik routing
> stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices
were StarOS which
> had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have
completed our 100% StarOS
> to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik
routers transition.
>
> When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it
on the desk.  Then
> it will be put a nearby but small tower site.
 If it behaves, I'll
> put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a
hurry to get my
> first EdgeRouter.
>
> Until then, I really like my 493Gs running
5.21.  We have not run
> any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just
haven't.  We picked
> up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
>
> I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It
has wireless.  It
> works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't
consider using RouterOS
> 6 on customer

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Scott Reed]

Yeah, their automated response that says someone will look at your 
problem suggests you send a .sup file.  However, when I have put a very 
detailed explanation of what I need help with, I have not had any 
problem getting an immediate, correct response from them.

On 1/9/2013 7:45 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> I've contacted MT support once.  It was a week ago.  I had an old 532
> running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade.  I went to the website, filled out
> the form, attached the sup file and sent it.  I got a reply five minutes
> later with a new key.  I upgraded.  Life is good.  :)
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
>>> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
>>> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
>>> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
>>> fixed in a newer release.
>>>
>> MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
>> from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
>> complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
>> e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
>> those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
>> with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.
>>
>> The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
>> different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
>> that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
>> to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
>>
>> I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
>> They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
>> the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
>> the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
>> stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
>> had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
>> to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.
>>
>> When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
>> it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
>> put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
>> first EdgeRouter.
>>
>> Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
>> any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
>> up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
>>
>> I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
>> works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
>> 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
>> 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
>> still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
>> it is an alpha release...
>>
>> I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
>> the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
>> in the field.
>>
>> UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
>> point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Scott Reed]

So anyone can copy it and those that paid for it provide the funding for 
those that don't.
Not saying that MTs licensing it perfect, but requiring a license is a 
very common thing.  Think Microsoft, Cisco, etc.


On 1/9/2013 6:30 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like 
MikroTik. With Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you 
purchased.


On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman > wrote:



Because a bunch of people run cracked copies...

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, "Matt Hoppes" > wrote:


supp...@mikrotik.com ?  Yes. You
usually get a reply there. Asking you to supply your serial
number.  As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't own.

On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert mailto:lamb...@lambertfam.org>> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
>> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost
completely
>> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
>> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's
already been
>> fixed in a newer release.
>
> MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
> from supp...@mikrotik.com .  I
don't understand the people who
> complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
> e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com .  I
am not saying that Mike is one of
> those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
> with supp...@mikrotik.com  or not.
>
> The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
> different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
> that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
> to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
>
> I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production
environment.
> They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
> the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
> the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
> stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
> had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100%
StarOS
> to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.
>
> When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
> it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
> put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
> first EdgeRouter.
>
> Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
> any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
> up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
>
> I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
> works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
> 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
> 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
> still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
> it is an alpha release...
>
> I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
> the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the
EdgeRouter
> in the field.
>
> UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
> point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Josh Luthman]

You've proved you're a Ubiquiti fanboy and you're not happy with anything
else.  Just buy Ubiquiti stuff and let's end this thread going no where and
not accomplishing anything.

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On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> Oh. That's the other thing. No matter what you want to ask. They want a
> sup file.
>
> If I want to ask a question on assigning a vlan to a port. They want a sup
> file.
> Creating a user. Sup file.
>
> It's ridiculous. It's like they intentionally make support into a circus
> so people won't bother them.
>
> With Ubiquiti you just ask your question and get an answer.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 19:45, Brian Rohrbacher 
> wrote:
>
> > I've contacted MT support once.  It was a week ago.  I had an old 532
> > running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade.  I went to the website, filled out
> > the form, attached the sup file and sent it.  I got a reply five minutes
> > later with a new key.  I upgraded.  Life is good.  :)
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >>> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
> >>> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
> >>> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
> >>> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
> >>> fixed in a newer release.
> >> MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
> >> from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
> >> complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
> >> e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
> >> those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
> >> with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.
> >>
> >> The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
> >> different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
> >> that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
> >> to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
> >>
> >> I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
> >> They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
> >> the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
> >> the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
> >> stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
> >> had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
> >> to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.
> >>
> >> When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
> >> it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
> >> put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
> >> first EdgeRouter.
> >>
> >> Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
> >> any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
> >> up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
> >>
> >> I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
> >> works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
> >> 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
> >> 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
> >> still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
> >> it is an alpha release...
> >>
> >> I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
> >> the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
> >> in the field.
> >>
> >> UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
> >> point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

Oh. That's the other thing. No matter what you want to ask. They want a sup 
file. 

If I want to ask a question on assigning a vlan to a port. They want a sup 
file. 
Creating a user. Sup file. 

It's ridiculous. It's like they intentionally make support into a circus so 
people won't bother them. 

With Ubiquiti you just ask your question and get an answer. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 9, 2013, at 19:45, Brian Rohrbacher  wrote:

> I've contacted MT support once.  It was a week ago.  I had an old 532 
> running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade.  I went to the website, filled out 
> the form, attached the sup file and sent it.  I got a reply five minutes 
> later with a new key.  I upgraded.  Life is good.  :)
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
>>> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
>>> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
>>> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
>>> fixed in a newer release.
>> MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
>> from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
>> complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
>> e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
>> those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
>> with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.
>> 
>> The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
>> different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
>> that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
>> to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
>> 
>> I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
>> They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
>> the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
>> the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
>> stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
>> had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
>> to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.
>> 
>> When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
>> it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
>> put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
>> first EdgeRouter.
>> 
>> Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
>> any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
>> up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
>> 
>> I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
>> works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
>> 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
>> 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
>> still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
>> it is an alpha release...
>> 
>> I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
>> the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
>> in the field.
>> 
>> UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
>> point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I've contacted MT support once.  It was a week ago.  I had an old 532 
running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade.  I went to the website, filled out 
the form, attached the sup file and sent it.  I got a reply five minutes 
later with a new key.  I upgraded.  Life is good.  :)

Brian


On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
>> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
>> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
>> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
>> fixed in a newer release.
>>
> MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
> from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
> complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
> e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
> those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
> with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.
>
> The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
> different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
> that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
> to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
>
> I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
> They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
> the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
> the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
> stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
> had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
> to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.
>
> When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
> it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
> put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
> first EdgeRouter.
>
> Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
> any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
> up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
>
> I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
> works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
> 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
> 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
> still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
> it is an alpha release...
>
> I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
> the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
> in the field.
>
> UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
> point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

Fair enough. 

On Jan 9, 2013, at 19:10, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> OK but you're complaining MT requires you prove you own the software while 
> Ubnt doesn't.  That's because MT can be stolen and Ubnt can not.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jan 9, 2013 6:45 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:
>> No. Nor do I have Cisco iOS running on my own hardware. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:35, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> 
>>> You have AirOS or that router software on your own x86 hardware?
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2013 6:30 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:
 Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like MikroTik. 
 With Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you purchased. 
 
 On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman  wrote:
 
> Because a bunch of people run cracked copies...
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:
>> supp...@mikrotik.com?  Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to 
>> supply your serial number.  As if I'd ask for support for a product I 
>> don't own.
>> 
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert  wrote:
>> 
>> > On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> >> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
>> >> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
>> >> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
>> >> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
>> >> fixed in a newer release.
>> >
>> > MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
>> > from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
>> > complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
>> > e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
>> > those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
>> > with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.
>> >
>> > The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
>> > different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
>> > that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
>> > to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
>> >
>> > I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
>> > They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
>> > the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
>> > the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
>> > stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
>> > had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
>> > to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.
>> >
>> > When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
>> > it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
>> > put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
>> > first EdgeRouter.
>> >
>> > Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
>> > any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
>> > up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
>> >
>> > I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
>> > works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
>> > 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
>> > 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
>> > still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
>> > it is an alpha release...
>> >
>> > I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
>> > the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
>> > in the field.
>> >
>> > UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
>> > point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Josh Luthman]

OK but you're complaining MT requires you prove you own the software while
Ubnt doesn't.  That's because MT can be stolen and Ubnt can not.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 9, 2013 6:45 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

> No. Nor do I have Cisco iOS running on my own hardware.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:35, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> You have AirOS or that router software on your own x86 hardware?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 9, 2013 6:30 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:
>
>> Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like MikroTik.
>> With Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you purchased.
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Because a bunch of people run cracked copies...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:
>>
>>> supp...@mikrotik.com?  Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you
>>> to supply your serial number.  As if I'd ask for support for a product I
>>> don't own.
>>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert  wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> >> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
>>> >> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
>>> >> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
>>> >> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
>>> >> fixed in a newer release.
>>> >
>>> > MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
>>> > from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
>>> > complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
>>> > e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
>>> > those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
>>> > with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.
>>> >
>>> > The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
>>> > different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
>>> > that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
>>> > to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
>>> >
>>> > I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
>>> > They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
>>> > the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
>>> > the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
>>> > stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
>>> > had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
>>> > to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.
>>> >
>>> > When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
>>> > it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
>>> > put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
>>> > first EdgeRouter.
>>> >
>>> > Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
>>> > any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
>>> > up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
>>> >
>>> > I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
>>> > works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
>>> > 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
>>> > 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
>>> > still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
>>> > it is an alpha release...
>>> >
>>> > I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
>>> > the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
>>> > in the field.
>>> >
>>> > UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
>>> > point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.
>>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

No. Nor do I have Cisco iOS running on my own hardware. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:35, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> You have AirOS or that router software on your own x86 hardware?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jan 9, 2013 6:30 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:
>> Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like MikroTik. 
>> With Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you purchased. 
>> 
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> 
>>> Because a bunch of people run cracked copies...
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:
 supp...@mikrotik.com?  Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to 
 supply your serial number.  As if I'd ask for support for a product I 
 don't own.
 
 On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert  wrote:
 
 > On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
 >> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
 >> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
 >> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
 >> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
 >> fixed in a newer release.
 >
 > MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
 > from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
 > complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
 > e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
 > those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
 > with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.
 >
 > The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
 > different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
 > that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
 > to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
 >
 > I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
 > They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
 > the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
 > the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
 > stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
 > had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
 > to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.
 >
 > When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
 > it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
 > put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
 > first EdgeRouter.
 >
 > Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
 > any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
 > up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
 >
 > I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
 > works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
 > 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
 > 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
 > still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
 > it is an alpha release...
 >
 > I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
 > the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
 > in the field.
 >
 > UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
 > point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.
 >
 > --
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 > SysAdmin
 > lamb...@lambertfam.org
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Josh Luthman]

You have AirOS or that router software on your own x86 hardware?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 9, 2013 6:30 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

> Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like MikroTik.
> With Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you purchased.
>
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Because a bunch of people run cracked copies...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:
>
>> supp...@mikrotik.com?  Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to
>> supply your serial number.  As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't
>> own.
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert  wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> >> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
>> >> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
>> >> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
>> >> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
>> >> fixed in a newer release.
>> >
>> > MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
>> > from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
>> > complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
>> > e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
>> > those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
>> > with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.
>> >
>> > The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
>> > different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
>> > that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
>> > to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
>> >
>> > I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
>> > They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
>> > the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
>> > the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
>> > stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
>> > had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
>> > to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.
>> >
>> > When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
>> > it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
>> > put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
>> > first EdgeRouter.
>> >
>> > Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
>> > any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
>> > up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
>> >
>> > I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
>> > works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
>> > 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
>> > 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
>> > still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
>> > it is an alpha release...
>> >
>> > I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
>> > the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
>> > in the field.
>> >
>> > UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
>> > point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.
>> >
>> > --
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>> SysAdmin
>> > lamb...@lambertfam.org
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Scott Lambert]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 06:03:17PM -0500, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> supp...@mikrotik.com?  Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you
> to supply your serial number.  As if I'd ask for support for a product
> I don't own.
>

*You* probably would not.  

How many tech support calls do you get from people who don't use
your service?  We get several from the local cable company's
customers.  

If we don't ask them for their account information first, our techs
will end up spending an hour or two troubleshooting their laptop's
connection to their wireless Linksys.  We are happy to provide that
service.  It is free for our customers.  It is *not* free for the
cable company's customers.

There are counterfeit or pirated RouterOS serial numbers in the
wild.  Some of the users of such gear may not even know they are
pirates.

The serial number is a required field to get free support from our
low cost vendor.  We know they want it.  Why would we not supply
it?

They also want a description of our use situation.  That's just
basic "How to ask a good questions."

http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Maybe MikroTik is actually in Missouri?

Quote from the smart questions FAQ:

"All diagnosticians are from Missouri." That US state's official motto
is "Show me" (earned in 1899, when Congressman Willard D. Vandiver said
"I come from a country that raises corn and cotton and cockleburs and
Democrats, and frothy eloquence neither convinces nor satisfies me. I'm
from Missouri. You've got to show me.") In diagnosticians' case, it's
not a matter of skepticism, but rather a literal, functional need to see
whatever is as close as possible to the same raw evidence that you see,
rather than your surmises and summaries. Show us."

End Quote

By the time I get a "smart" help request written, I often have my
answer and delete the draft message.

We get what we put into it.  Whatever "it" is.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like MikroTik. With 
Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you purchased. 

On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> Because a bunch of people run cracked copies...
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:
>> supp...@mikrotik.com?  Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to 
>> supply your serial number.  As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't 
>> own.
>> 
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert  wrote:
>> 
>> > On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> >> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
>> >> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
>> >> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
>> >> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
>> >> fixed in a newer release.
>> >
>> > MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
>> > from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
>> > complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
>> > e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
>> > those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
>> > with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.
>> >
>> > The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
>> > different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
>> > that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
>> > to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
>> >
>> > I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
>> > They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
>> > the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
>> > the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
>> > stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
>> > had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
>> > to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.
>> >
>> > When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
>> > it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
>> > put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
>> > first EdgeRouter.
>> >
>> > Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
>> > any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
>> > up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
>> >
>> > I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
>> > works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
>> > 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
>> > 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
>> > still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
>> > it is an alpha release...
>> >
>> > I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
>> > the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
>> > in the field.
>> >
>> > UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
>> > point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.
>> >
>> > --
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Josh Luthman]

Because a bunch of people run cracked copies...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

> supp...@mikrotik.com?  Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to
> supply your serial number.  As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't
> own.
>
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
> >> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
> >> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
> >> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
> >> fixed in a newer release.
> >
> > MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
> > from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
> > complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
> > e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
> > those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
> > with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.
> >
> > The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
> > different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
> > that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
> > to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
> >
> > I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
> > They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
> > the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
> > the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
> > stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
> > had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
> > to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.
> >
> > When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
> > it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
> > put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
> > first EdgeRouter.
> >
> > Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
> > any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
> > up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
> >
> > I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
> > works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
> > 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
> > 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
> > still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
> > it is an alpha release...
> >
> > I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
> > the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
> > in the field.
> >
> > UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
> > point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

supp...@mikrotik.com?  Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to supply 
your serial number.  As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't own. 

On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert  wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
>> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
>> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
>> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
>> fixed in a newer release.
> 
> MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
> from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
> complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
> e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
> those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
> with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.
> 
> The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
> different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
> that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
> to come off as being a bit brusk to us.
> 
> I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
> They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
> the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
> the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
> stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
> had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
> to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.
> 
> When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
> it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
> put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
> first EdgeRouter.  
> 
> Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
> any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
> up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.
> 
> I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
> works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
> 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
> 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
> still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
> it is an alpha release...
> 
> I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
> the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
> in the field.
> 
> UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
> point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Scott Lambert]

On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
> I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
> use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
> absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
> usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
> fixed in a newer release.
>

MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.

The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
to come off as being a bit brusk to us.

I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.

When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
first EdgeRouter.  

Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.

I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
it is an alpha release...

I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
in the field.

UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers.  C'est la vie.

-- 
Scott LambertKC5MLE   Unix SysAdmin
lamb...@lambertfam.org
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Faisal Imtiaz]

+1

Nothing in life is perfect. Every Vendor has their Strengths and 
weaknesses, as a Service Provider we try to leverage the Strengths and 
work around the weaknesses.


It is the flexibility that makes us 'nimble', otherwise we become like 
the Telco's , their flexibility is greatly dependent on their systems 
and gear they use.


Granted, no Mfg. is perfect, and no Mfg,  has a products that does 
everything good.


While it is easier to 'bitch and complain', a little bit harder to 
realize that :-


RouterBoards, are hardware devices, you can develop and run your own OS 
on it if you like ..
Mikrotik is a Routing OS, not a piece of hardware, and may I say, it is 
a Routing OS.. not a SWITCHING OS.
Ubiquity AirMax are radios with a  Linux Core... U want to modify / add 
capabilities, feel free to down load the SDK and mod / add what you need.


It is always good for the industry when other Mfg. start making 
competing products, that is a sign of an industry that is growing and in 
good health.


Enjoy your favorite routers and pet peeves, I am glad to see folks on 
both sides, of the equation, cause that is what makes the industry move 
forward and we call that Progress !


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 1/9/2013 11:26 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote:
(this is not a reply to Brad, just couldn't find the head of the 
thread on this one)


It was more than just the capacitor issue with MT, there were the 
noisy 532s which would interfere with two way radios as well at 
roughly the same time, there is the version crapshoot whenever a new 
release is made.  I usually have to troll through the forums to find 
the concensus on what firmware to be running for wireless and what 
firmware to be running for wired.


This is not to say that UBNT doesn't have issues, still fresh in 
everyone's mind is the toughcable debaucle, and it seems that new 
firmwares do have issues from time to time.  But it seems, to me at 
least, that UBNT is more than willing to own up to their mistakes, 
take their lumps and do the right thing with in reason.  Their return 
policy is pretty liberal and I can only imagine how much they've spent 
shipping new toughcable.  I know it doesn't cover the cost of 
installation, but it is a far cry from the response we received from 
smartbridge or highgain and their products.


I have to admit I've never tried to RMA a routerboard, but I never got 
the impression I would have much luck.  MT rarely acknowledges bugs or 
defects in their product and has actively removed threads in their 
forum about legitimate bugs.


But the thing that gets me is how much people bitch about QA on a $70 
radio or a $500 core router and then in the same message bitch about 
slow releases and cry for new cutting edge features.  If you want to 
run tested and true routers or radios then get Cambium, Alvarion, 
Cisco or Juniper.  Too spendy?  Not enough new features? Wonder why?


There is a cost for cheaper cost and faster release cycles.  Is it 
frustrating, hell yes, but I accepted that frustration when I decided 
to go with their products.  I can only imagine what sort of regression 
testing has to occur on each new feature that goes in routeros and 
wireless can be set up in so many different ways and with so many 
different environmental variables that trying to account for all 
conditions and configurations would be a daunting task.


On 01/09/2013 07:44 AM, Brad Belton wrote:


Agreed. A carpenter once told me that some tools require more skill 
than other tools to use properly and get the desired results.  This 
isn't meant as a jab towards anyone, but I feel is an honest truth.  
I know there are several tools in my bag that I wish I was more 
skilled with...MikroTik included.


The RouterBoard capacitor issue was a pain, but I believe they 
determined it was a counterfeiting issue and not a design problem.  
They received a large batch of capacitors that were not up to the 
specifications they should have been. As compared to many wireless 
operators here we don't deploy a bunch of these boards, so I can 
appreciate the heartache some must be going through as these boards 
with bad capacitors fail slowly over time.


BTW, I think if you look at the board you can visually tell if it has 
counterfeit capacitors or not.  Pretty sure the green colored caps 
are the bad ones and the brown ones are good.


Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:16 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

All I can say is that we have been running MK sinsce 2.x, some quirks 
along the way.  But we are happy with it,  No way we could have grown 
our company to this level on Cisco o

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Sam Tetherow]

(this is not a reply to Brad, just couldn't find the head of the thread 
on this one)


It was more than just the capacitor issue with MT, there were the noisy 
532s which would interfere with two way radios as well at roughly the 
same time, there is the version crapshoot whenever a new release is 
made.  I usually have to troll through the forums to find the concensus 
on what firmware to be running for wireless and what firmware to be 
running for wired.


This is not to say that UBNT doesn't have issues, still fresh in 
everyone's mind is the toughcable debaucle, and it seems that new 
firmwares do have issues from time to time.  But it seems, to me at 
least, that UBNT is more than willing to own up to their mistakes, take 
their lumps and do the right thing with in reason. Their return policy 
is pretty liberal and I can only imagine how much they've spent shipping 
new toughcable.  I know it doesn't cover the cost of installation, but 
it is a far cry from the response we received from smartbridge or 
highgain and their products.


I have to admit I've never tried to RMA a routerboard, but I never got 
the impression I would have much luck.  MT rarely acknowledges bugs or 
defects in their product and has actively removed threads in their forum 
about legitimate bugs.


But the thing that gets me is how much people bitch about QA on a $70 
radio or a $500 core router and then in the same message bitch about 
slow releases and cry for new cutting edge features.  If you want to run 
tested and true routers or radios then get Cambium, Alvarion, Cisco or 
Juniper.  Too spendy?  Not enough new features? Wonder why?


There is a cost for cheaper cost and faster release cycles.  Is it 
frustrating, hell yes, but I accepted that frustration when I decided to 
go with their products.  I can only imagine what sort of regression 
testing has to occur on each new feature that goes in routeros and 
wireless can be set up in so many different ways and with so many 
different environmental variables that trying to account for all 
conditions and configurations would be a daunting task.


On 01/09/2013 07:44 AM, Brad Belton wrote:


Agreed. A carpenter once told me that some tools require more skill 
than other tools to use properly and get the desired results.  This 
isn't meant as a jab towards anyone, but I feel is an honest truth.  I 
know there are several tools in my bag that I wish I was more skilled 
with...MikroTik included.


The RouterBoard capacitor issue was a pain, but I believe they 
determined it was a counterfeiting issue and not a design problem.  
They received a large batch of capacitors that were not up to the 
specifications they should have been.  As compared to many wireless 
operators here we don't deploy a bunch of these boards, so I can 
appreciate the heartache some must be going through as these boards 
with bad capacitors fail slowly over time.


BTW, I think if you look at the board you can visually tell if it has 
counterfeit capacitors or not.  Pretty sure the green colored caps are 
the bad ones and the brown ones are good.


Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:16 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

All I can say is that we have been running MK sinsce 2.x, some quirks 
along the way.  But we are happy with it,  No way we could have grown 
our company to this level on Cisco or Juniper since we rely heavy on 
VPLS and Mikrotik has allowed us to use it economically


Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes

*Sent:* Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:06 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Cc:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can 
prove that they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support.


MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there.


Sent from my iPad


On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>> wrote:


I'd like to know as well.

We have been using MT since 2.3.

Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out..

Each has their place.

--

On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't
honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features
are better in Mikrotik.  Price doesn't have a huge gap between
them.

Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when
they haven't even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta
unit or something, which 

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

Indeed to each. Our Ubiquiti links are rock solid and need very little 
attention. So our are MikroTik routers now that we settled on 4.17 as a stable 
firmware. 

On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:21, Scott Reed  wrote:

> To each his own.
> My UBNT links have issues all the time.
> My 600+ MTs run and run and run and ...
> There are places other than the MT forum to get lots of friendly MT help, 
> like the WISPA mail list.
> 
> On 1/9/2013 8:05 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can prove 
>> that they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support. 
>> 
>> MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to know as well.
>>> 
>>> We have been using MT since 2.3.
>>> 
>>> Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out..
>>> 
>>> Each has their place.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>> I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly 
>>>> expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in 
>>>> Mikrotik.  Price doesn't have a huge gap between them.
>>>> 
>>>> Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't 
>>>> even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is 
>>>> probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.
>>>> 
>>>> Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  
>>>> Now what's the answer...
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have 
>>>>> had them in heavy production without issue for months. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get 
>>>>>> your 9 mo uptime.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>>>>> Do you have anything to base that on?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a 
>>>>>>> beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating 
>>>>>>> Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. 
>>>>>>> I likely won't use the first generation in production.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable 
>>>>>>> than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software 
>>>>>>> wise. Where does this device fit?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Brad Belton]

Agreed.  A carpenter once told me that some tools require more skill than other 
tools to use properly and get the desired results.  This isn’t meant as a jab 
towards anyone, but I feel is an honest truth.  I know there are several tools 
in my bag that I wish I was more skilled with…MikroTik included.  

 

The RouterBoard capacitor issue was a pain, but I believe they determined it 
was a counterfeiting issue and not a design problem.  They received a large 
batch of capacitors that were not up to the specifications they should have 
been.  As compared to many wireless operators here we don’t deploy a bunch of 
these boards, so I can appreciate the heartache some must be going through as 
these boards with bad capacitors fail slowly over time.

 

BTW, I think if you look at the board you can visually tell if it has 
counterfeit capacitors or not.  Pretty sure the green colored caps are the bad 
ones and the brown ones are good.

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

 

All I can say is that we have been running MK sinsce 2.x, some quirks along the 
way.  But we are happy with it,  No way we could have grown our company to this 
level on Cisco or Juniper since we rely heavy on VPLS and Mikrotik has allowed 
us to use it economically

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

 

Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can prove that 
they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support. 

 

MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there. 


Sent from my iPad


On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis  wrote:

I'd like to know as well.

We have been using MT since 2.3.

Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out..

Each has their place.

--

On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly expect 
support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in Mikrotik.  Price 
doesn't have a huge gap between them. 

 

Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even 
started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably 
not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.


Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  Now 
what's the answer...




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes  wrote:

Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have had 
them in heavy production without issue for months. 

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman  wrote:

Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your 9 mo 
uptime.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Do you have anything to base that on?

I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since 
they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.

Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, 
but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use 
the first generation in production.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than 
Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where 
does this device fit?


Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote:


That's an awfully bold statement. How come?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -
From: "Christian Palecek" < christ...@cybernet1.com >
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone

Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net > wrote:

&g

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Scott Reed]

To each his own.
My UBNT links have issues all the time.
My 600+ MTs run and run and run and ...
There are places other than the MT forum to get lots of friendly MT 
help, like the WISPA mail list.


On 1/9/2013 8:05 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can 
prove that they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support.


MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>> wrote:



I'd like to know as well.

We have been using MT since 2.3.

Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out..

Each has their place.

--
On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't 
honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are 
better in Mikrotik.  Price doesn't have a huge gap between them.


Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they 
haven't even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or 
something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy 
from a distributor.


Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my 
Mikrotik?  Now what's the answer...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:


Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of
us have had them in heavy production without issue for months.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the
corner.  Get your 9 mo uptime.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Do you have anything to base that on?

I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without
missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+
months ago.

Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on
unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I
think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first
generation in production.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be
less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad)
and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit?


Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett <
wispawirel...@ics-il.net <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> wrote:


That's an awfully bold statement. How come?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -
From: "Christian Palecek" < christ...@cybernet1.com
<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com> >
    To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone

Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net <mailto:j...@tapodi.net> > wrote:

>Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when
it was announced.
>Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes" < st...@pcswin.com
<mailto:st...@pcswin.com> > wrote:
>
>> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware
that they have
>> actually shipped to general public yet. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.
Time will tell.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>>
>> General Manager
>>
>> 

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Gino Villarini]

All I can say is that we have been running MK sinsce 2.x, some quirks along the 
way.  But we are happy with it,  No way we could have grown our company to this 
level on Cisco or Juniper since we rely heavy on VPLS and Mikrotik has allowed 
us to use it economically


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can prove that 
they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support.

MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis 
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>> wrote:
I'd like to know as well.

We have been using MT since 2.3.

Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out..

Each has their place.

--
On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly expect 
support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in Mikrotik.  Price 
doesn't have a huge gap between them.

Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even 
started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably 
not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.

Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  Now 
what's the answer...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have had 
them in heavy production without issue for months.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your 9 mo 
uptime.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Do you have anything to base that on?

I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since 
they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.

Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, 
but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use 
the first generation in production.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than 
Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where 
does this device fit?


Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < 
wispawirel...@ics-il.net<mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net> > wrote:


That's an awfully bold statement. How come?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -
From: "Christian Palecek" < 
christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com> >
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone

Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net<mailto:j...@tapodi.net> > wrote:

>Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
>Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes" < 
>st...@pcswin.com<mailto:st...@pcswin.com> > wrote:
>
>> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have
>> actually shipped to general public yet. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>>
>> General Manager
>>
>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi < http://www.rcwifi.com/ >
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
>> [mailto: wireless-boun

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can prove that 
they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support. 

MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis  wrote:

> I'd like to know as well.
> 
> We have been using MT since 2.3.
> 
> Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out..
> 
> Each has their place.
> 
> --
> On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly expect 
>> support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in Mikrotik.  Price 
>> doesn't have a huge gap between them. 
>> 
>> Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't 
>> even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is 
>> probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.
>> 
>> Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  Now 
>> what's the answer...
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes  
>> wrote:
>>> Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have had 
>>> them in heavy production without issue for months. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your 
>>>> 9 mo uptime.
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>>> Do you have anything to base that on?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat 
>>>>> since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating 
>>>>> Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I 
>>>>> likely won't use the first generation in production.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable 
>>>>> than Mikrotik (which   is really really bad) and 
>>>>> not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "Christian Palecek" < christ...@cybernet1.com >
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Verizo

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

Oh yes. And I forgot MikroTiks horrible firmware releases. Literally every 
release breaks something. When we moved from the 4.x branch to the 5.x branch I 
started seeing random kernel panics for no explainable reason. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly expect 
> support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in Mikrotik.  Price 
> doesn't have a huge gap between them.
> 
> Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't 
> even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is 
> probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.
> 
> Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  Now 
> what's the answer...
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
>> Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have had 
>> them in heavy production without issue for months. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> 
>>> Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your 
>>> 9 mo uptime.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>> Do you have anything to base that on?
>>>> 
>>>> I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat 
>>>> since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.
>>>> 
>>>> Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating 
>>>> Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I 
>>>> likely won't use the first generation in production.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable 
>>>> than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software 
>>>> wise. Where does this device fit?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Christian Palecek" < christ...@cybernet1.com >
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>> 
>>>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>>>> 
>>>> Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was 
>>>> >announced.
>>>> >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>>>> >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes" < st...@pcswin.com > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have
>>>> >> actually shipped to general public yet. 
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ** **
>>

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate. 

Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why would 
they be any different?  That wouldn't make any sense and would go against every 
previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done. 

Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to get 
completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to your 
distributor who batches them back to Latvia.  With Ubiquiti, being US based, 
you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one. 

Support?  You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I know to 
get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get beat up... And 
heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And certainly 
no discussion of competitors products on their forums because that would be a 
bad thing.   I think it speaks worlds that MT uses sometimes come over to the 
Ubiquiti forum to get help  and people help them!

Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the last 
time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering questions?

And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in service 
for a year. . Oh it wait  That issue was never acknowledged was it?

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly expect 
> support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in Mikrotik.  Price 
> doesn't have a huge gap between them.
> 
> Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't 
> even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is 
> probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.
> 
> Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  Now 
> what's the answer...
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
>> Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have had 
>> them in heavy production without issue for months. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> 
>>> Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your 
>>> 9 mo uptime.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>> Do you have anything to base that on?
>>>> 
>>>> I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat 
>>>> since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.
>>>> 
>>>> Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating 
>>>> Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I 
>>>> likely won't use the first generation in production.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable 
>>>> than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software 
>>>> wise. Where does this device fit?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>&

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Blair Davis]

  
  
I'd like to know as well.

We have been using MT since 2.3.

Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out..

Each has their place.

--
On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.
 You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik.
 Features are better in Mikrotik.  Price doesn't have a huge gap
between them.

  

Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months
  when they haven't even started shipping.  Unless you got a
  beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product
  that you'd buy from a distributor.
  
Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my
Mikrotik?  Now what's the answer...

  
  
Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt
  Hoppes <mhop...@indigowireless.com>
  wrote:
  

  Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these
things?  Many of us have had them in heavy production
without issue for months. 

Sent from my iPad
  

  
On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

  
  

  Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some
batteries in the corner.  Get your 9 mo uptime.
  Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
  On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM,
"Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
wrote:

  Do you have anything to base that on?
  
  I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been
  up without missing a beat since they last had
  firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.
  
  Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if
  they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them
  a couple years and I think they'll be alright.
  I likely won't use the first generation in
  production.
  
  
  
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
  
  - Original Message -
  From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
  To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
          Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port
  Router
  
  
  
  I have no reason to buy them at all. They're
  going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which
  is really really bad) and not be as good
  software wise. Where does this device fit?
  
  
  Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya
  right.
  
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  
  
  On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett
  < wispawirel...@ics-il.net
  > wrote:
  
  
  That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
  
  
  
  -
 

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Josh Luthman]

I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly
expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in
Mikrotik.  Price doesn't have a huge gap between them.

Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't
even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is
probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.

Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  Now
what's the answer...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have
> had them in heavy production without issue for months.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your
> 9 mo uptime.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> Do you have anything to base that on?
>>
>> I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat
>> since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.
>>
>> Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating
>> Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I
>> likely won't use the first generation in production.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>
>>
>>
>> I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable
>> than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software
>> wise. Where does this device fit?
>>
>>
>> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Christian Palecek" < christ...@cybernet1.com >
>> To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>
>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>>
>> Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net > wrote:
>>
>> >Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was
>> announced.
>> >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>> >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes" < st...@pcswin.com > wrote:
>> >
>> >> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have
>> >> actually shipped to general public yet. 
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will
>> tell.
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Steve Barnes
>> >>
>> >> General Manager
>> >>
>> >> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi < http://www.rcwifi.com/ >
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> >> *On
>> >> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>> >> *To:* WISPA General List
>> >> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>> >>
>> >> NGL
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>> >> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>> >>
>> >

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have had 
them in heavy production without issue for months. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your 9 
> mo uptime.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>> Do you have anything to base that on?
>> 
>> I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat 
>> since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.
>> 
>> Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating 
>> Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I 
>> likely won't use the first generation in production.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> - Original Message -----
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than 
>> Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. 
>> Where does this device fit?
>> 
>> 
>> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Christian Palecek" < christ...@cybernet1.com >
>> To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>> 
>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>> 
>> Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net > wrote:
>> 
>> >Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
>> >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>> >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes" < st...@pcswin.com > wrote:
>> >
>> >> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have
>> >> actually shipped to general public yet. 
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell.
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Steve Barnes
>> >>
>> >> General Manager
>> >>
>> >> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi < http://www.rcwifi.com/ >
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] 
>> >> *On
>> >> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>> >> *To:* WISPA General List
>> >> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>> >>
>> >> NGL
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Rubens Kuhl]

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> I believe the source project has no or minimal MPLS support.
>
> Lack of MPLS is a deal killer for me, but I suspect they'll get it in there.

There are some reasons to use Router OS MPLS

1) Main reason is VPLS, either for private network customers or PPPoE
aggregation.
2) Then comes accelerated packet processing, which MT will now do for
IP packets with the FastPath feature
3) The comes "look, my network runs MPLS, the protocol of the big carriers"

What Ubiquiti could do, fast, is to provide both PWE3 and GRE
capabilities, layer 2 and layer 3 tunneling. There is no need of MPLS
to provide such services in a scenario the routers have good packets
per second capabilities, like the Ubiquiti routers do.

The MPLS capabilities of high-end routers linked to QoS and fast
recovery are not there in Router OS, and I don't see Ubiquiti going
after the service provider market Juniper leads and Cisco is a close
follower. If UBNT wants to kick Mikrotik, tunneling and aggregation
features (DHCP, RADIUS auth, Hotspot, PPPoE) are the ones to have.
MPLS or not MPLS is not the point.


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

They either developed it in-house or licensed a 3rd party MPLS product.  
ImageStream worked on and off for years trying to fill in the massive holes of 
the open source version.  Made progress, but never enough to release.  I don't 
think anyone has all 47 or so RFCs covered in a Linux implantation.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Mikrotik had their MPLS implementation before the open source projects were 
> out (or had features available before them), so it is widely believed that 
> they developed it themselves.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Fred Goldstein" 
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:46:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
> 
> On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
>> I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is
>> certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on
>> the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete,
>> freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my
>> breath.
>> 
>> Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many
>> people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not
>> available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very
>> expensive end of town.
> 
> For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest 
> profit end of the "ISP" business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS 
> is the only game in town.  You do it on a router that has it, or on a 
> "switch" that has it.  Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) 
> and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't 
> really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled 
> shim below IP.  If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, 
> then you probably are using MPLS.
> 
> There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since 
> they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to 
> if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with 
> it.  Cisco is way too expensive.  RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are 
> more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot 
> of other systems).
> 
>> 
>> On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.
>>> On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running
>>> a
>>> Cisco or a Juniper?
>>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does.
>>>> Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on
>>>> routerOS?
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Mike Hammett]

Bug? There is no bug. You're just using it wrong.

VLANs aren't acceptable in a large network and are much more difficult to 
manage.



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- Original Message -
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: "" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:02:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

What about VLANing that traffic?  As fat as the ER. If enough  people want MPLS 
they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their egotistic 
mentality. 

Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug?

On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein  wrote:

> On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
>> I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is
>> certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on
>> the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete,
>> freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my
>> breath.
>> 
>> Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many
>> people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not
>> available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very
>> expensive end of town.
> 
> For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest 
> profit end of the "ISP" business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS 
> is the only game in town.  You do it on a router that has it, or on a 
> "switch" that has it.  Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) 
> and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't 
> really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled 
> shim below IP.  If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, 
> then you probably are using MPLS.
> 
> There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since 
> they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to 
> if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with 
> it.  Cisco is way too expensive.  RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are 
> more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot 
> of other systems).
> 
>> 
>> On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.
>>> On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running
>>> a
>>> Cisco or a Juniper?
>>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does.
>>>> Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on
>>>> routerOS?
>>>> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Mike Hammett]

Mikrotik had their MPLS implementation before the open source projects were out 
(or had features available before them), so it is widely believed that they 
developed it themselves.



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- Original Message -
From: "Fred Goldstein" 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:46:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
> I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is
> certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on
> the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete,
> freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my
> breath.
>
> Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many
> people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not
> available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very
> expensive end of town.

For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest 
profit end of the "ISP" business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS 
is the only game in town.  You do it on a router that has it, or on a 
"switch" that has it.  Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) 
and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't 
really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled 
shim below IP.  If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, 
then you probably are using MPLS.

There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since 
they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to 
if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with 
it.  Cisco is way too expensive.  RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are 
more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot 
of other systems).

>
> On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.
>> On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running
>> a
>> Cisco or a Juniper?
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones  wrote:
>>
>>> The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does.
>>> Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on
>>> routerOS?
>>>

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

Oh it's not just your perception. When MikroTik folks come to the ubiquiti 
forums for support with MikroTik questions you know there is a problem. 

On Jan 8, 2013, at 19:35, Jon Auer  wrote:

> Having not touched one yet but knowing the hardware and software platform, 
> I'd be willing to bet that where features are comparable the Quagga on Cavium 
> setup in the edgemax will be more reliable and just as fast as anything 
> Mikrotik can produce. That's based on the track record of the EdgeMax team at 
> their previous employers, what I've seen of their development approach, and 
> their openness to customers. 
> 
> Between hardware issues, ROS 5.x being fairly unstable, and the (maybe my 
> perception) arrogance of their staff on forums and lack of customer service I 
> think Ubiquiti will have to work hard to be worse. I still like Mikrotik for 
> SoHo & managed services customers but not in the provider network. 
> 
> If you don't need the integrated VoIP, DMVPN, or other funky features I think 
> the ERLite-3 is a good match for replacing Cisco ISR boxes at customers. 
> Older ISRs just don't have the throughput for dedicated link / fiber 
> customers.
> 
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
>> I have no reason to buy them at all.  They're going to be less reliable than 
>> Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise.  
>> Where does this device fit?
>> 
>> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco.  Ya right.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett  
>> wrote:
>>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Christian Palecek" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>>> 
>>> Jon Auer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> >Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
>>> >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>>> >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>  That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
>>> >> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will 
>>> >> tell.
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> Steve Barnes
>>> >>
>>> >> General Manager
>>> >>
>>> >> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>> >> *On
>>> >> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>>> >> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> >> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>> >>
>>> >> NGL
>>> >>
>>> >> 
>>> >>
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>>> >> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Josh Luthman]

Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your
9 mo uptime.

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On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Do you have anything to base that on?
>
> I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat
> since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.
>
> Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating
> Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I
> likely won't use the first generation in production.
>
>
>
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>
>
>
> I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable
> than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software
> wise. Where does this device fit?
>
>
> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>
>
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> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net >
> wrote:
>
>
> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>
>
>
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Christian Palecek" < christ...@cybernet1.com >
> To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>
> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>
> Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net > wrote:
>
> >Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was
> announced.
> >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
> >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes" < st...@pcswin.com > wrote:
> >
> >> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have
> >> actually shipped to general public yet. 
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will
> tell.
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Steve Barnes
> >>
> >> General Manager
> >>
> >> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi < http://www.rcwifi.com/ >
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> >> Behalf Of *~NGL~
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
> >> *To:* WISPA General List
> >> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Anyone have any experience with this router?
> >>
> >> NGL
> >>
> >> 
> >>
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> >> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Mike Hammett]

I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them 
both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT 
typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem 
with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release.



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Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:24:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

I'm sure you'll be making good use of that support.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone

Christian Palecek  wrote:

>I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>
>Jon Auer  wrote:
>
>>Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
>>Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>>On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>>>  That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
>>> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will tell.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>>
>>> General Manager
>>>
>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>>
>>> NGL
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Mike Hammett]

Many are running MPLS just fine on Mikrotik.

One could also counter if you want a quality wireless network, why don't you 
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From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.   On the 
other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a 
Juniper?

On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones  wrote:

> The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. 
> Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS?
> 
> 
> On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very
>> stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik.
>> 
>> Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can
>> load your own packages if you wish.
>> 
>> I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network.
>> 
>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less 
>>> reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good 
>>> software wise. Where does this device fit?
>>> 
>>> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
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>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Christian Palecek" 
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>> 
>>>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>>>> 
>>>> Jon Auer  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was 
>>>> announced.
>>>>> Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they 
>>>> have
>>>>>> actually shipped to general public yet. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will 
>>>> tell.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Steve Barnes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> General Manager
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2]>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
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>>>>>> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>>>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> NGL
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Mike Hammett]

I believe the source project has no or minimal MPLS support.

Lack of MPLS is a deal killer for me, but I suspect they'll get it in there.

If you think EdgeOS is missing something, ask for it. The things I've asked for 
(aside from MPLS), they've assured are present or are being developed.



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- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Jones" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:06:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. 
Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS?


On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very
> stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik.
>
> Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can
> load your own packages if you wish.
>
> I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network.
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
>
>> I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less 
>> reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good 
>> software wise. Where does this device fit?
>>
>> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>>>
>>> -
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>>> http://www.ics-il.com [1]
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Christian Palecek" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>
>>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>>>
>>> Jon Auer  wrote:
>>>
>>> >Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was 
>>> announced.
>>> >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>>> >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they 
>>> have
>>> >> actually shipped to general public yet. 
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will 
>>> tell.
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> Steve Barnes
>>> >>
>>> >> General Manager
>>> >>
>>> >> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2]>
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
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>>> >> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>>> >> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> >> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>> >>
>>> >> NGL
>>> >>
>>> >> 
>>> >>
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>>> >> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Mike Hammett]

I have had excellent support from UBNT, but maybe I'm special. o.O



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- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:05:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



I was going to answer you guys...but you both boasted Ubiquiti support... 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
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Suite 1337 
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On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Matt Hoppes < mhop...@indigowireless.com > 
wrote: 




Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. 
There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. 


Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your 
own packages if you wish. 


I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. 



On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 







I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than 
Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where 
does this device fit? 


Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. 


Josh Luthman 
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Direct: 937-552-2343 
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Suite 1337 
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On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 


That's an awfully bold statement. How come? 



- 
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- Original Message - 
From: "Christian Palecek" < christ...@cybernet1.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router 

I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone 

Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net > wrote: 

>Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. 
>Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( 
>On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes" < st...@pcswin.com > wrote: 
> 
>> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have 
>> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>> 
>> ** ** 
>> 
>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. 
>> 
>> ** ** 
>> 
>> Steve Barnes 
>> 
>> General Manager 
>> 
>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi < http://www.rcwifi.com/ > 
>> 
>> ** ** 
>> 
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On 
>> Behalf Of *~NGL~ 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM 
>> *To:* WISPA General List 
>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router 
>> 
>> ** ** 
>> 
>> Anyone have any experience with this router? 
>> 
>> NGL 
>> 
>>  
>> 
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>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Mike Hammett]

Do you have anything to base that on?

I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since 
they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.

Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, 
but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use 
the first generation in production.



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- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than 
Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where 
does this device fit? 


Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
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Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 


That's an awfully bold statement. How come? 



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- Original Message - 
From: "Christian Palecek" < christ...@cybernet1.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router 

I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone 

Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net > wrote: 

>Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. 
>Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( 
>On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes" < st...@pcswin.com > wrote: 
> 
>> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have 
>> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>> 
>> ** ** 
>> 
>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. 
>> 
>> ** ** 
>> 
>> Steve Barnes 
>> 
>> General Manager 
>> 
>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi < http://www.rcwifi.com/ > 
>> 
>> ** ** 
>> 
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On 
>> Behalf Of *~NGL~ 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM 
>> *To:* WISPA General List 
>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router 
>> 
>> ** ** 
>> 
>> Anyone have any experience with this router? 
>> 
>> NGL 
>> 
>>  
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>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Fred Goldstein]

On 1/8/2013 7:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> What about VLANing that traffic?  As fat as the ER. If enough  people want 
> MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their 
> egotistic mentality.

I totally get what you mean about MT.  We've got some ROS boxes doing 
good service, but then I tried a pair of 951s at home and had to take 
them out, as they just don't stay up.  It's not uniform, and you get 
what you get.  Vyatta doesn't compile in MPLS so EdgeOS doesn't have it. 
Vyatta is now Brocade so I don't know how flexible they'll be.

VLANing is of no use.  That provides a degree of protection against 
interception, but no QoS and no protection against DDoS.  And it's kind 
of ugly.  Not that MPLS isn't ugly, but until RINA is ready it can sort 
of work.

> Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug?
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein  wrote:
>
>> On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
>>> I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is
>>> certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on
>>> the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete,
>>> freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my
>>> breath.
>>>
>>> Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many
>>> people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not
>>> available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very
>>> expensive end of town.
>>
>> For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest
>> profit end of the "ISP" business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS
>> is the only game in town.  You do it on a router that has it, or on a
>> "switch" that has it.  Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x)
>> and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't
>> really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled
>> shim below IP.  If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC,
>> then you probably are using MPLS.
>>
>> There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since
>> they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to
>> if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with
>> it.  Cisco is way too expensive.  RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are
>> more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot
>> of other systems).
>>
>>>
>>> On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.
 On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running
 a
 Cisco or a Juniper?

 On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones  wrote:

> The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does.
> Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on
> routerOS?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Jon Auer]

Having not touched one yet but knowing the hardware and software platform, I'd 
be willing to bet that where features are comparable the Quagga on Cavium setup 
in the edgemax will be more reliable and just as fast as anything Mikrotik can 
produce. That's based on the track record of the EdgeMax team at their previous 
employers, what I've seen of their development approach, and their openness to 
customers. 

Between hardware issues, ROS 5.x being fairly unstable, and the (maybe my 
perception) arrogance of their staff on forums and lack of customer service I 
think Ubiquiti will have to work hard to be worse. I still like Mikrotik for 
SoHo & managed services customers but not in the provider network. 

If you don't need the integrated VoIP, DMVPN, or other funky features I think 
the ERLite-3 is a good match for replacing Cisco ISR boxes at customers. Older 
ISRs just don't have the throughput for dedicated link / fiber customers.

On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> I have no reason to buy them at all.  They're going to be less reliable than 
> Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise.  
> Where does this device fit?
> 
> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco.  Ya right.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
> 
> 
> 
> -
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> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christian Palecek" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
> 
> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
> 
> Jon Auer  wrote:
> 
> >Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
> >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
> >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >
> >>  That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
> >> actually shipped to general public yet.  
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will tell.
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Steve Barnes
> >>
> >> General Manager****
> >>
> >> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> >> Behalf Of *~NGL~
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
> >> *To:* WISPA General List
> >> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Anyone have any experience with this router?
> >>
> >> NGL
> >>
> >> 
> >>
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> >> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Sam Tetherow]

Which is debian under the hood. Haven't used vyatta though so I don't 
know if there is a vyatta abstraction for tc or not, which is why I 
asked the question of the interface for bandwidth limiting.


On 01/08/2013 06:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Vyatta under the hood.

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On Jan 8, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sam Tetherow" <mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net>> wrote:


What is bandwidth shaping like on the EdgeRouter?  I know it can
be done
since it is debian under the hood, just wondering what the
interface CLI
or GUI is like.  I use to use a linux box for traffic shaping, but one
of the main reasons for switch to MT back in the day was the fact that
using tc on linux was painful.


On 01/08/2013 05:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Why not?  I've had very good success with mine so far. We've
stopped buying MikroTiks and will be phasing in ToughSwitches and
EdgeRouters.
>
> I need support. MT was good while there was no other competition.
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:30, Christian Palecek
mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>>
>> Jon Auer mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it
was announced.
>>> Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>>> On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes" mailto:st...@pcswin.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that
they have
>>>> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time
will tell.
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Steve Barnes
>>>>
>>>> General Manager
>>>>
>>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
    >>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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>>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>>>
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>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Josh Luthman]

Vyatta under the hood.

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On Jan 8, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sam Tetherow"  wrote:

> What is bandwidth shaping like on the EdgeRouter?  I know it can be done
> since it is debian under the hood, just wondering what the interface CLI
> or GUI is like.  I use to use a linux box for traffic shaping, but one
> of the main reasons for switch to MT back in the day was the fact that
> using tc on linux was painful.
>
>
> On 01/08/2013 05:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > Why not?  I've had very good success with mine so far. We've stopped
> buying MikroTiks and will be phasing in ToughSwitches and EdgeRouters.
> >
> > I need support. MT was good while there was no other competition.
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:30, Christian Palecek 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
> >>
> >> Jon Auer  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was
> announced.
> >>> Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
> >>> On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
> >>>> actually shipped to general public yet.  
> >>>>
> >>>> ** **
> >>>>
> >>>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will
> tell.
> >>>>
> >>>> ** **
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve Barnes****
> >>>>
> >>>> General Manager
> >>>>
> >>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
> >>>>
> >>>> ** **
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On
> >>>> Behalf Of *~NGL~
> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
> >>>> *To:* WISPA General List
> >>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
> >>>>
> >>>> ** **
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone have any experience with this router?
> >>>>
> >>>> NGL
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> >>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Keep in mind that it's Vyatta's routing implementation, not UBNT's.  I'd check 
on their roadmap for MPLS.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Matt Hoppes  wrote:

> What about VLANing that traffic?  As fat as the ER. If enough  people want 
> MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their 
> egotistic mentality. 
> 
> Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug?
> 
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein  wrote:
> 
>> On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
>>> I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is
>>> certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on
>>> the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete,
>>> freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my
>>> breath.
>>> 
>>> Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many
>>> people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not
>>> available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very
>>> expensive end of town.
>> 
>> For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest 
>> profit end of the "ISP" business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS 
>> is the only game in town.  You do it on a router that has it, or on a 
>> "switch" that has it.  Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) 
>> and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't 
>> really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled 
>> shim below IP.  If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, 
>> then you probably are using MPLS.
>> 
>> There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since 
>> they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to 
>> if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with 
>> it.  Cisco is way too expensive.  RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are 
>> more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot 
>> of other systems).
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.
 On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running
 a
 Cisco or a Juniper?
 
 On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones  wrote:
 
> The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does.
> Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on
> routerOS?
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

What about VLANing that traffic?  As fat as the ER. If enough  people want MPLS 
they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their egotistic 
mentality. 

Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug?

On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein  wrote:

> On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
>> I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is
>> certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on
>> the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete,
>> freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my
>> breath.
>> 
>> Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many
>> people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not
>> available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very
>> expensive end of town.
> 
> For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest 
> profit end of the "ISP" business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS 
> is the only game in town.  You do it on a router that has it, or on a 
> "switch" that has it.  Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) 
> and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't 
> really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled 
> shim below IP.  If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, 
> then you probably are using MPLS.
> 
> There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since 
> they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to 
> if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with 
> it.  Cisco is way too expensive.  RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are 
> more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot 
> of other systems).
> 
>> 
>> On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.
>>> On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running
>>> a
>>> Cisco or a Juniper?
>>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones  wrote:
>>> 
 The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does.
 Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on
 routerOS?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Sam Tetherow]

What is bandwidth shaping like on the EdgeRouter?  I know it can be done 
since it is debian under the hood, just wondering what the interface CLI 
or GUI is like.  I use to use a linux box for traffic shaping, but one 
of the main reasons for switch to MT back in the day was the fact that 
using tc on linux was painful.


On 01/08/2013 05:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Why not?  I've had very good success with mine so far. We've stopped buying 
> MikroTiks and will be phasing in ToughSwitches and EdgeRouters.
>
> I need support. MT was good while there was no other competition.
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:30, Christian Palecek  wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>>
>> Jon Auer  wrote:
>>
>>> Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
>>> Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>>> On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
>>>> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will tell.
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Steve Barnes
>>>>
>>>> General Manager
>>>>
>>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>>>
>>>> NGL
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>>>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Fred Goldstein]

On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
> I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is
> certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on
> the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete,
> freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my
> breath.
>
> Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many
> people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not
> available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very
> expensive end of town.

For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest 
profit end of the "ISP" business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS 
is the only game in town.  You do it on a router that has it, or on a 
"switch" that has it.  Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) 
and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't 
really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled 
shim below IP.  If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, 
then you probably are using MPLS.

There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since 
they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to 
if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with 
it.  Cisco is way too expensive.  RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are 
more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot 
of other systems).

>
> On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.
>> On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running
>> a
>> Cisco or a Juniper?
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones  wrote:
>>
>>> The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does.
>>> Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on
>>> routerOS?
>>>

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Christian Palecek]

I'm sure you'll be making good use of that support.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone

Christian Palecek  wrote:

>I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>
>Jon Auer  wrote:
>
>>Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
>>Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>>On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>>>  That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
>>> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will tell.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>>
>>> General Manager
>>>
>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>>
>>> NGL
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Andrew Jones]

I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is 
certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on 
the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, 
freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my 
breath.

Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many 
people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not 
available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very 
expensive end of town.


On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.
> On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running 
> a
> Cisco or a Juniper?
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones  wrote:
>
>> The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does.
>> Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on 
>> routerOS?
>>
>>
>> On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is 
>>> very
>>> stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik.
>>>
>>> Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can
>>> load your own packages if you wish.
>>>
>>> I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network.
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less
>>>> reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as 
>>>> good
>>>> software wise. Where does this device fit?
>>>>
>>>> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com [1]
>>>>>
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "Christian Palecek" 
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon Auer  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was
>>>>> announced.
>>>>>> Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>>>>>> On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they
>>>>> have
>>>>>>> actually shipped to general public yet. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will
>>>>> tell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve Barnes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> General Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NGL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you can re

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Josh Luthman]

>On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a
Cisco or a Juniper?

Why?

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a
> Cisco or a Juniper?
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.   On the 
other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a 
Juniper?

On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones  wrote:

> The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. 
> Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS?
> 
> 
> On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very
>> stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik.
>> 
>> Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can
>> load your own packages if you wish.
>> 
>> I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network.
>> 
>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less 
>>> reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good 
>>> software wise. Where does this device fit?
>>> 
>>> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>>>> 
>>>> -----
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com [1]
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Christian Palecek" 
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>> 
>>>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>>>> 
>>>> Jon Auer  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was 
>>>> announced.
>>>>> Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they 
>>>> have
>>>>>> actually shipped to general public yet. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will 
>>>> tell.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Steve Barnes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> General Manager
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2]>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>>>>> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>>>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> NGL
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>>>>>> 
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>> --
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>> [2] http://www.rcwifi.com/
>> [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Andrew Jones]

The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. 
Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS?


On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very
> stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik.
>
> Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can
> load your own packages if you wish.
>
> I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network.
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
>
>> I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less 
>> reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good 
>> software wise. Where does this device fit?
>>
>> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com [1]
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Christian Palecek" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>
>>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>>>
>>> Jon Auer  wrote:
>>>
>>> >Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was 
>>> announced.
>>> >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>>> >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they 
>>> have
>>> >> actually shipped to general public yet. 
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will 
>>> tell.
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> Steve Barnes
>>> >>
>>> >> General Manager
>>> >>
>>> >> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2]>
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>> >> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>>> >> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> >> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>> >>
>>> >> NGL
>>> >>
>>> >> 
>>> >>
>>> >> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>>> >> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Josh Luthman]

I was going to answer you guys...but you both boasted Ubiquiti support...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very
> stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik.
>
> Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load
> your own packages if you wish.
>
> I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network.
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I have no reason to buy them at all.  They're going to be less reliable
> than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software
> wise.  Where does this device fit?
>
> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco.  Ya right.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Christian Palecek" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>
>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>>
>> Jon Auer  wrote:
>>
>> >Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was
>> announced.
>> >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>> >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>> >
>> >>  That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
>> >> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will
>> tell.****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Steve Barnes
>> >>
>> >> General Manager
>> >>
>> >> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> *On
>> >> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>> >> *To:* WISPA General List
>> >> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>> >>
>> >> NGL
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>> >> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. 
There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. 

Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your 
own packages if you wish. 

I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. 

On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> I have no reason to buy them at all.  They're going to be less reliable than 
> Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise.  
> Where does this device fit?
> 
> Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco.  Ya right.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Christian Palecek" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>> 
>> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>> 
>> Jon Auer  wrote:
>> 
>> >Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
>> >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>> >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>> >
>> >>  That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
>> >> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will tell.
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Steve Barnes
>> >>
>> >> General Manager
>> >>
>> >> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> >> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>> >> *To:* WISPA General List
>> >> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>> >>
>> >> NGL
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>> >> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> ___
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>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Matt Hoppes]

Why not?  I've had very good success with mine so far. We've stopped buying 
MikroTiks and will be phasing in ToughSwitches and EdgeRouters. 

I need support. MT was good while there was no other competition. 

On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:30, Christian Palecek  wrote:

> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
> 
> Jon Auer  wrote:
> 
>> Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
>> Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>> On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>> 
>>> That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
>>> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>>> 
>>> ** **
>>> 
>>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will tell.
>>> 
>>> ** **
>>> 
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> 
>>> General Manager
>>> 
>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
>>> 
>>> ** **
>>> 
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>> 
>>> ** **
>>> 
>>> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>> 
>>> NGL
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>>> 
>>> ** **
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Josh Luthman]

I have no reason to buy them at all.  They're going to be less reliable
than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software
wise.  Where does this device fit?

Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco.  Ya right.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christian Palecek" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>
> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>
> Jon Auer  wrote:
>
> >Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was
> announced.
> >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
> >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >
> >>  That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
> >> actually shipped to general public yet.  
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will
> tell.
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Steve Barnes
> >>
> >> General Manager
> >>
> >> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On
> >> Behalf Of *~NGL~
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
> >> *To:* WISPA General List
> >> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Anyone have any experience with this router?
> >>
> >> NGL
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
> >> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> ___
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[~NGL~]

Why? Do you have one in service?
NGL

--
From: "Christian Palecek" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 2:30 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

> I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
>
> Jon Auer  wrote:
>
>>Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was 
>>announced.
>>Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>>On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>>>  That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
>>> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will 
>>> tell.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>>
>>> General Manager
>>>
>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>> *On
>>> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>>
>>> NGL
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>>>
>>> ** **
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Mike Hammett]

That's an awfully bold statement. How come?



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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- Original Message -
From: "Christian Palecek" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone

Jon Auer  wrote:

>Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
>Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>
>>  That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
>> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will tell.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>>
>> General Manager
>>
>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>
>> NGL
>>
>> 
>>
>> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>>
>> ** **
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Christian Palecek]

I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone

Jon Auer  wrote:

>Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
>Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
>On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>
>>  That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
>> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will tell.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>>
>> General Manager
>>
>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *~NGL~
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>>
>> NGL
>>
>> 
>>
>> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>>
>> ** **
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Jon Auer]

Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced.
Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:

>  That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have
> actually shipped to general public yet.  
>
> ** **
>
> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will tell.
>
> ** **
>
> Steve Barnes
>
> General Manager
>
> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *~NGL~
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
>
> ** **
>
> Anyone have any experience with this router?
>
> NGL
>
> 
>
> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>
> ** **
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Steve Barnes]

That's the new UBNT Edge Router line.  I was not aware that they have actually 
shipped to general public yet.

UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.  Time will tell.

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi<http://www.rcwifi.com/>

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of ~NGL~
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

Anyone have any experience with this router?
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