[WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
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For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). Fred, Which feature complete/stable MPLS implementation for Linux do you know of? I haven't seen any and I'd be interested to check it out. -- Simon Westlake Powercode.com (920) 351-1010 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On 1/15/2013 2:39 PM, Simon Westlake wrote: For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). Fred, Which feature complete/stable MPLS implementation for Linux do you know of? I haven't seen any and I'd be interested to check it out. I don't know who is feature complete, or even what constitutes feature complete these days, given how MPLS is sort of a family of moving targets. I've looked around and seen a few different Linux projects, in various states of partial completion, some seeming to have happy users but no support and others still under way. It's typical Linux, where the GPL is supposed to make it easy to share but in practice everyone likes to write their own stuff, getting the easy 80% done but not taking the 80% of the time for the rest. But RouterOS got something out there, and if it's in the kernel, somebody should have made sources available. Not that MT has to say where it came from! (Or did they fit it into userland?) -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I don't know who is feature complete, or even what constitutes feature complete these days, given how MPLS is sort of a family of moving targets. I've looked around and seen a few different Linux projects, in various states of partial completion, some seeming to have happy users but no support and others still under way. It's typical Linux, where the GPL is supposed to make it easy to share but in practice everyone likes to write their own stuff, getting the easy 80% done but not taking the 80% of the time for the rest. But RouterOS got something out there, and if it's in the kernel, somebody should have made sources available. Not that MT has to say where it came from! (Or did they fit it into userland?) My understanding was that the MT implementation was closed source and, as Jeff said, either written in house or licensed from some third party. I don't know that for sure but, as I'm fairly sure there is no open source MPLS project out there that implements everything MT has, they have either done considerable work to complete all the missing features or wrote from scratch. I agree with you on the 80% statement but there are benchmark projects in Linux for most networking functionality (e.g. tc for rate limiting, iptables for firewall, quagga for dynamic routing) and I haven't found one of those for MPLS yet. -- Simon Westlake Powercode.com (920) 351-1010 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
FWIW OpenBSD has L3 MPLS working with a LDP implementation and BGP. No VPLS yet but I think I saw something about starting to work on pseudowires last year. On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: I don't know who is feature complete, or even what constitutes feature complete these days, given how MPLS is sort of a family of moving targets. I've looked around and seen a few different Linux projects, in various states of partial completion, some seeming to have happy users but no support and others still under way. It's typical Linux, where the GPL is supposed to make it easy to share but in practice everyone likes to write their own stuff, getting the easy 80% done but not taking the 80% of the time for the rest. But RouterOS got something out there, and if it's in the kernel, somebody should have made sources available. Not that MT has to say where it came from! (Or did they fit it into userland?) My understanding was that the MT implementation was closed source and, as Jeff said, either written in house or licensed from some third party. I don't know that for sure but, as I'm fairly sure there is no open source MPLS project out there that implements everything MT has, they have either done considerable work to complete all the missing features or wrote from scratch. I agree with you on the 80% statement but there are benchmark projects in Linux for most networking functionality (e.g. tc for rate limiting, iptables for firewall, quagga for dynamic routing) and I haven't found one of those for MPLS yet. -- Simon Westlake Powercode.com (920) 351-1010 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On 1/15/2013 8:29 PM, Jon Auer wrote: FWIW OpenBSD has L3 MPLS working with a LDP implementation and BGP. No VPLS yet but I think I saw something about starting to work on pseudowires last year. Good catch. You can see MPLS features improving release by release through the OpenBSD history. They treat it as fairly basic. On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: I don't know who is feature complete, or even what constitutes feature complete these days, given how MPLS is sort of a family of moving targets. I've looked around and seen a few different Linux projects, in various states of partial completion, some seeming to have happy users but no support and others still under way. It's typical Linux, where the GPL is supposed to make it easy to share but in practice everyone likes to write their own stuff, getting the easy 80% done but not taking the 80% of the time for the rest. But RouterOS got something out there, and if it's in the kernel, somebody should have made sources available. Not that MT has to say where it came from! (Or did they fit it into userland?) My understanding was that the MT implementation was closed source and, as Jeff said, either written in house or licensed from some third party. I don't know that for sure but, as I'm fairly sure there is no open source MPLS project out there that implements everything MT has, they have either done considerable work to complete all the missing features or wrote from scratch. I agree with you on the 80% statement but there are benchmark projects in Linux for most networking functionality (e.g. tc for rate limiting, iptables for firewall, quagga for dynamic routing) and I haven't found one of those for MPLS yet. -- Simon Westlake Powercode.com (920) 351-1010 tel:%28920%29%20351-1010 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On 1/15/2013 8:29 PM, Jon Auer wrote: FWIW OpenBSD has L3 MPLS working with a LDP implementation and BGP. No VPLS yet but I think I saw something about starting to work on pseudowires last year. Good catch. You can see MPLS features improving release by release through the OpenBSD history. They treat it as fairly basic. On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: I don't know who is feature complete, or even what constitutes feature complete these days, given how MPLS is sort of a family of moving targets. I've looked around and seen a few different Linux projects, in various states of partial completion, some seeming to have happy users but no support and others still under way. It's typical Linux, where the GPL is supposed to make it easy to share but in practice everyone likes to write their own stuff, getting the easy 80% done but not taking the 80% of the time for the rest. But RouterOS got something out there, and if it's in the kernel, somebody should have made sources available. Not that MT has to say where it came from! (Or did they fit it into userland?) My understanding was that the MT implementation was closed source and, as Jeff said, either written in house or licensed from some third party. I don't know that for sure but, as I'm fairly sure there is no open source MPLS project out there that implements everything MT has, they have either done considerable work to complete all the missing features or wrote from scratch. I agree with you on the 80% statement but there are benchmark projects in Linux for most networking functionality (e.g. tc for rate limiting, iptables for firewall, quagga for dynamic routing) and I haven't found one of those for MPLS yet. -- Simon Westlake Powercode.com (920) 351-1010 tel:%28920%29%20351-1010 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I had second thoughts immediately after I hit the “send” button. . . . j o n a t h a n From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Nedolast Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:22 PM To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router A bulge is better. Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic. Maybe. But I wouldn't use that line until at least the third date ;-) - Original Message - From: Jonathan Schmidt mailto:jeschm...@jeschmidt.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router A trusted supplier also has suppliers who have suppliers. We had over a dozen Princeton monitors that all quit within 6 months of each other after 4 years. As they piled up, one of our engineer-programmers had an epiphany that it might be one common problem…looking at the stack of monitors 6’ high. It was caps, of course. Opening them up, you could see the bulge in the top of one or two caps. There were 4 or 5 of the same kind and one or the other were blown in the first 3. He got to the point where he could fix a monitor in 8 minutes…and we got them all back. If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic. This time it wasn’t the supplier. They were all running a volt or two above the rating. It was the designer. . . . j o n a t h a n From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Nedolast Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router As well as samsung recently. Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear Projection TV's as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got bit by that capacitor issue... You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well. Two of the big boys in electronics. Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s you. Live and learn. -- On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate. Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why would they be any different? That wouldn't make any sense and would go against every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done. Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to get completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to your distributor who batches them back to Latvia. With Ubiquiti, being US based, you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one. Support? You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I know to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get beat up... And heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And certainly no discussion of competitors products on their forums because that would be a bad thing. I think it speaks worlds that MT uses sometimes come over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help and people help them! Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the last time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering questions? And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in service for a year. . Oh it wait That issue was never acknowledged was it? Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Me too. Too many 12 hour days with
little sleep.
On 1/11/2013 3:56 AM, Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
I
had second thoughts immediately after I hit the send
button.
.
. . j o n a t h a n
From:
wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Nedolast
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:22 PM
To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port
Router
A bulge is better.
Tom
Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com
wrote:
"If
youre lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic."
Maybe. But I wouldn't use that line until at leastthe
third date ;-)
-
Original Message -
From:
Jonathan Schmidt
To:
WISPA General List
Sent:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:56 PM
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
A
trusted supplier also has suppliers who have suppliers.
We had over a dozen Princeton monitors that all quit
within 6 months of each other after 4 years. As they
piled up, one of our engineer-programmers had an
epiphany that it might be one common problemlooking at
the stack of monitors 6 high. It was caps, of course.
Opening
them up, you could see the bulge in the top of one or
two caps. There were 4 or 5 of the same kind and one or
the other were blown in the first 3. He got to the
point where he could fix a monitor in 8 minutesand we
got them all back. If youre lucky, a bulge is as good
as a schematic.
This
time it wasnt the supplier. They were all running a
volt or two above the rating. It was the designer.
.
. . j o n a t h a n
From:
wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Steve Nedolast
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port
Router
As well as
samsung recently.
Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
wrote:
BTW, as
a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear
Projection TV's as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only
people who got bit by that capacitor issue...
You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as
well. Two of the big boys in electronics.
Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted
supplier s you.
Live and learn.
--
On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes
wrote:
Ok. Now that I'm on a larger
device than my phone let me elaborate.
Yes. Beta units are the same as
what are shipping to distributors. Why would they be
any different? That wouldn't make any sense and
would go against every previous beta Ubiquiti has
ever done.
Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are
a pain in the rear and take months to get completed
- usually involving sending it direct yourself or
back to your distributor who batches them back to
Latvia. With Ubiquiti, being US based, you just
send the device back to SJ and you get
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On Tue, 2013-01-08 at 18:21 -0600, Sam Tetherow wrote: Which is debian under the hood. Haven't used vyatta though so I don't know if there is a vyatta abstraction for tc or not, which is why I asked the question of the interface for bandwidth limiting. I haven't looked into the qos in my ERLite, yet. I DO know that there is an UGLY abstraction for iptables. SIGH...I've never understood why vendors (vyatta in this case) want to make something that is SIMPLE harder to use. The firewall should be a very simple input, output, forward...not all this mess that requires you to define interface, then, create rules based on interface for input, output and forward for every interface. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
won't use the
first generation in production.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3
3-port Router
I have no reason to buy them at all.
They're going to be less reliable than
Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and
not be as good software wise. Where does
this device fit?
Their ad suggests it is to replace a
Cisco. Ya right.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike
Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
wrote:
That's an awfully bold statement. How
come?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: "Christian Palecek" christ...@cybernet1.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3
3-port Router
I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net
wrote:
Streakwave is supposedly shipping
orders placed back when it was announced.
Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve
Barnes" st...@pcswin.com
wrote:
Thats the new UBNT Edge Router
line. I was not aware that they have
actually shipped to general
public yet.
** **
UBNT is trying to get into the
Router market as well. Time will tell.
** **
Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/
** **
*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] *On
Behalf Of *~NGL~
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013
1:4
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
As well as samsung recently. Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear Projection TV's as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got bit by that capacitor issue... You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well. Two of the big boys in electronics. Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s you. Live and learn. -- On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate. Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why would they be any different? That wouldn't make any sense and would go against every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done. Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to get completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to your distributor who batches them back to Latvia. With Ubiquiti, being US based, you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one. Support? You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I know to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get beat up... And heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And certainly no discussion of competitors products on their forums because that would be a bad thing. I think it speaks worlds that MT uses sometimes come over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help and people help them! Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the last time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering questions? And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in service for a year. . Oh it wait That issue was never acknowledged was it? Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
A trusted supplier also has suppliers who have suppliers. We had over a dozen Princeton monitors that all quit within 6 months of each other after 4 years. As they piled up, one of our engineer-programmers had an epiphany that it might be one common problem…looking at the stack of monitors 6’ high. It was caps, of course. Opening them up, you could see the bulge in the top of one or two caps. There were 4 or 5 of the same kind and one or the other were blown in the first 3. He got to the point where he could fix a monitor in 8 minutes…and we got them all back. If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic. This time it wasn’t the supplier. They were all running a volt or two above the rating. It was the designer. . . . j o n a t h a n From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Nedolast Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router As well as samsung recently. Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear Projection TV's as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got bit by that capacitor issue... You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well. Two of the big boys in electronics. Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s you. Live and learn. -- On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate. Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why would they be any different? That wouldn't make any sense and would go against every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done. Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to get completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to your distributor who batches them back to Latvia. With Ubiquiti, being US based, you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one. Support? You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I know to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get beat up... And heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And certainly no discussion of competitors products on their forums because that would be a bad thing. I think it speaks worlds that MT uses sometimes come over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help and people help them! Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the last time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering questions? And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in service for a year. . Oh it wait That issue was never acknowledged was it? Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic. Maybe. But I wouldn't use that line until at least the third date ;-) - Original Message - From: Jonathan Schmidt To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router A trusted supplier also has suppliers who have suppliers. We had over a dozen Princeton monitors that all quit within 6 months of each other after 4 years. As they piled up, one of our engineer-programmers had an epiphany that it might be one common problem…looking at the stack of monitors 6’ high. It was caps, of course. Opening them up, you could see the bulge in the top of one or two caps. There were 4 or 5 of the same kind and one or the other were blown in the first 3. He got to the point where he could fix a monitor in 8 minutes…and we got them all back. If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic. This time it wasn’t the supplier. They were all running a volt or two above the rating. It was the designer. . . . j o n a t h a n From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Nedolast Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router As well as samsung recently. Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear Projection TV's as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got bit by that capacitor issue... You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well. Two of the big boys in electronics. Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s you. Live and learn. -- On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate. Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why would they be any different? That wouldn't make any sense and would go against every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done. Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to get completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to your distributor who batches them back to Latvia. With Ubiquiti, being US based, you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one. Support? You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I know to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get beat up... And heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And certainly no discussion of competitors products on their forums because that would be a bad thing. I think it speaks worlds that MT uses sometimes come over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help and people help them! Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the last time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering questions? And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in service for a year. . Oh it wait That issue was never acknowledged was it? Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
A bulge is better. Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic. Maybe. But I wouldn't use that line until at least the third date ;-) - Original Message - From: Jonathan Schmidt To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router A trusted supplier also has suppliers who have suppliers. We had over a dozen Princeton monitors that all quit within 6 months of each other after 4 years. As they piled up, one of our engineer-programmers had an epiphany that it might be one common problem…looking at the stack of monitors 6’ high. It was caps, of course. Opening them up, you could see the bulge in the top of one or two caps. There were 4 or 5 of the same kind and one or the other were blown in the first 3. He got to the point where he could fix a monitor in 8 minutes…and we got them all back. If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic. This time it wasn’t the supplier. They were all running a volt or two above the rating. It was the designer. . . . j o n a t h a n From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Nedolast Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router As well as samsung recently. Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear Projection TV's as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got bit by that capacitor issue... You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well. Two of the big boys in electronics. Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s you. Live and learn. -- On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate. Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why would they be any different? That wouldn't make any sense and would go against every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done. Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to get completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to your distributor who batches them back to Latvia. With Ubiquiti, being US based, you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one. Support? You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I know to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get beat up... And heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And certainly no discussion of competitors products on their forums because that would be a bad thing. I think it speaks worlds that MT uses sometimes come over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help and people help them! Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the last time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering questions? And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in service for a year. . Oh it wait That issue was never acknowledged was it? Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate. Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why would they be any different? That wouldn't make any sense and would go against every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done. Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to get completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to your distributor who batches them back to Latvia. With Ubiquiti, being US based, you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one. Support? You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I know to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get beat up... And heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And certainly no discussion of competitors products on their forums because that would be a bad thing. I think it speaks worlds that MT uses sometimes come over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help and people help them! Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the last time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering questions? And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in service for a year. . Oh it wait That issue was never acknowledged was it? Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Oh yes. And I forgot MikroTiks horrible firmware releases. Literally every release breaks something. When we moved from the 4.x branch to the 5.x branch I started seeing random kernel panics for no explainable reason. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
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Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can prove that they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support. MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there. Sent from my iPad On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I'd like to know as well. We have been using MT since 2.3. Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out.. Each has their place. -- On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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All I can say is that we have been running MK sinsce 2.x, some quirks along the way. But we are happy with it, No way we could have grown our company to this level on Cisco or Juniper since we rely heavy on VPLS and Mikrotik has allowed us to use it economically Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can prove that they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support. MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there. Sent from my iPad On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.netmailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I'd like to know as well. We have been using MT since 2.3. Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out.. Each has their place. -- On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.commailto:christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.netmailto:j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can
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To each his own. My UBNT links have issues all the time. My 600+ MTs run and run and run and ... There are places other than the MT forum to get lots of friendly MT help, like the WISPA mail list. On 1/9/2013 8:05 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can prove that they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support. MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there. Sent from my iPad On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I'd like to know as well. We have been using MT since 2.3. Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out.. Each has their place. -- On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net mailto:j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com mailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto
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Agreed. A carpenter once told me that some tools require more skill than other tools to use properly and get the desired results. This isn’t meant as a jab towards anyone, but I feel is an honest truth. I know there are several tools in my bag that I wish I was more skilled with…MikroTik included. The RouterBoard capacitor issue was a pain, but I believe they determined it was a counterfeiting issue and not a design problem. They received a large batch of capacitors that were not up to the specifications they should have been. As compared to many wireless operators here we don’t deploy a bunch of these boards, so I can appreciate the heartache some must be going through as these boards with bad capacitors fail slowly over time. BTW, I think if you look at the board you can visually tell if it has counterfeit capacitors or not. Pretty sure the green colored caps are the bad ones and the brown ones are good. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router All I can say is that we have been running MK sinsce 2.x, some quirks along the way. But we are happy with it, No way we could have grown our company to this level on Cisco or Juniper since we rely heavy on VPLS and Mikrotik has allowed us to use it economically Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can prove that they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support. MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there. Sent from my iPad On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I'd like to know as well. We have been using MT since 2.3. Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out.. Each has their place. -- On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping
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Indeed to each. Our Ubiquiti links are rock solid and need very little attention. So our are MikroTik routers now that we settled on 4.17 as a stable firmware. On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:21, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: To each his own. My UBNT links have issues all the time. My 600+ MTs run and run and run and ... There are places other than the MT forum to get lots of friendly MT help, like the WISPA mail list. On 1/9/2013 8:05 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can prove that they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support. MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there. Sent from my iPad On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I'd like to know as well. We have been using MT since 2.3. Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out.. Each has their place. -- On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
(this is not a reply to Brad, just couldn't find the head of the thread on this one) It was more than just the capacitor issue with MT, there were the noisy 532s which would interfere with two way radios as well at roughly the same time, there is the version crapshoot whenever a new release is made. I usually have to troll through the forums to find the concensus on what firmware to be running for wireless and what firmware to be running for wired. This is not to say that UBNT doesn't have issues, still fresh in everyone's mind is the toughcable debaucle, and it seems that new firmwares do have issues from time to time. But it seems, to me at least, that UBNT is more than willing to own up to their mistakes, take their lumps and do the right thing with in reason. Their return policy is pretty liberal and I can only imagine how much they've spent shipping new toughcable. I know it doesn't cover the cost of installation, but it is a far cry from the response we received from smartbridge or highgain and their products. I have to admit I've never tried to RMA a routerboard, but I never got the impression I would have much luck. MT rarely acknowledges bugs or defects in their product and has actively removed threads in their forum about legitimate bugs. But the thing that gets me is how much people bitch about QA on a $70 radio or a $500 core router and then in the same message bitch about slow releases and cry for new cutting edge features. If you want to run tested and true routers or radios then get Cambium, Alvarion, Cisco or Juniper. Too spendy? Not enough new features? Wonder why? There is a cost for cheaper cost and faster release cycles. Is it frustrating, hell yes, but I accepted that frustration when I decided to go with their products. I can only imagine what sort of regression testing has to occur on each new feature that goes in routeros and wireless can be set up in so many different ways and with so many different environmental variables that trying to account for all conditions and configurations would be a daunting task. On 01/09/2013 07:44 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Agreed. A carpenter once told me that some tools require more skill than other tools to use properly and get the desired results. This isn't meant as a jab towards anyone, but I feel is an honest truth. I know there are several tools in my bag that I wish I was more skilled with...MikroTik included. The RouterBoard capacitor issue was a pain, but I believe they determined it was a counterfeiting issue and not a design problem. They received a large batch of capacitors that were not up to the specifications they should have been. As compared to many wireless operators here we don't deploy a bunch of these boards, so I can appreciate the heartache some must be going through as these boards with bad capacitors fail slowly over time. BTW, I think if you look at the board you can visually tell if it has counterfeit capacitors or not. Pretty sure the green colored caps are the bad ones and the brown ones are good. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router All I can say is that we have been running MK sinsce 2.x, some quirks along the way. But we are happy with it, No way we could have grown our company to this level on Cisco or Juniper since we rely heavy on VPLS and Mikrotik has allowed us to use it economically Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:06 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Cc:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router Each has their placeand MT has no place anywhere until they can prove that they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support. MikroTik - Latvian for . Oh I can't go there. Sent from my iPad On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I'd like to know as well. We have been using MT since 2.3. Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out.. Each has their place. -- On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
+1 Nothing in life is perfect. Every Vendor has their Strengths and weaknesses, as a Service Provider we try to leverage the Strengths and work around the weaknesses. It is the flexibility that makes us 'nimble', otherwise we become like the Telco's , their flexibility is greatly dependent on their systems and gear they use. Granted, no Mfg. is perfect, and no Mfg, has a products that does everything good. While it is easier to 'bitch and complain', a little bit harder to realize that :- RouterBoards, are hardware devices, you can develop and run your own OS on it if you like .. Mikrotik is a Routing OS, not a piece of hardware, and may I say, it is a Routing OS.. not a SWITCHING OS. Ubiquity AirMax are radios with a Linux Core... U want to modify / add capabilities, feel free to down load the SDK and mod / add what you need. It is always good for the industry when other Mfg. start making competing products, that is a sign of an industry that is growing and in good health. Enjoy your favorite routers and pet peeves, I am glad to see folks on both sides, of the equation, cause that is what makes the industry move forward and we call that Progress ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 1/9/2013 11:26 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote: (this is not a reply to Brad, just couldn't find the head of the thread on this one) It was more than just the capacitor issue with MT, there were the noisy 532s which would interfere with two way radios as well at roughly the same time, there is the version crapshoot whenever a new release is made. I usually have to troll through the forums to find the concensus on what firmware to be running for wireless and what firmware to be running for wired. This is not to say that UBNT doesn't have issues, still fresh in everyone's mind is the toughcable debaucle, and it seems that new firmwares do have issues from time to time. But it seems, to me at least, that UBNT is more than willing to own up to their mistakes, take their lumps and do the right thing with in reason. Their return policy is pretty liberal and I can only imagine how much they've spent shipping new toughcable. I know it doesn't cover the cost of installation, but it is a far cry from the response we received from smartbridge or highgain and their products. I have to admit I've never tried to RMA a routerboard, but I never got the impression I would have much luck. MT rarely acknowledges bugs or defects in their product and has actively removed threads in their forum about legitimate bugs. But the thing that gets me is how much people bitch about QA on a $70 radio or a $500 core router and then in the same message bitch about slow releases and cry for new cutting edge features. If you want to run tested and true routers or radios then get Cambium, Alvarion, Cisco or Juniper. Too spendy? Not enough new features? Wonder why? There is a cost for cheaper cost and faster release cycles. Is it frustrating, hell yes, but I accepted that frustration when I decided to go with their products. I can only imagine what sort of regression testing has to occur on each new feature that goes in routeros and wireless can be set up in so many different ways and with so many different environmental variables that trying to account for all conditions and configurations would be a daunting task. On 01/09/2013 07:44 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Agreed. A carpenter once told me that some tools require more skill than other tools to use properly and get the desired results. This isn't meant as a jab towards anyone, but I feel is an honest truth. I know there are several tools in my bag that I wish I was more skilled with...MikroTik included. The RouterBoard capacitor issue was a pain, but I believe they determined it was a counterfeiting issue and not a design problem. They received a large batch of capacitors that were not up to the specifications they should have been. As compared to many wireless operators here we don't deploy a bunch of these boards, so I can appreciate the heartache some must be going through as these boards with bad capacitors fail slowly over time. BTW, I think if you look at the board you can visually tell if it has counterfeit capacitors or not. Pretty sure the green colored caps are the bad ones and the brown ones are good. Best, Brad *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router All I can say is that we have been running MK sinsce 2.x, some quirks along the way. But we are happy with it, No way we could have grown our company to this level on Cisco or Juniper since we rely heavy on VPLS and Mikrotik has allowed us
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
supp...@mikrotik.com? Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to supply your serial number. As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't own. On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Because a bunch of people run cracked copies... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: supp...@mikrotik.com? Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to supply your serial number. As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't own. On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like MikroTik. With Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you purchased. On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Because a bunch of people run cracked copies... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: supp...@mikrotik.com? Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to supply your serial number. As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't own. On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 06:03:17PM -0500, Matt Hoppes wrote: supp...@mikrotik.com? Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to supply your serial number. As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't own. *You* probably would not. How many tech support calls do you get from people who don't use your service? We get several from the local cable company's customers. If we don't ask them for their account information first, our techs will end up spending an hour or two troubleshooting their laptop's connection to their wireless Linksys. We are happy to provide that service. It is free for our customers. It is *not* free for the cable company's customers. There are counterfeit or pirated RouterOS serial numbers in the wild. Some of the users of such gear may not even know they are pirates. The serial number is a required field to get free support from our low cost vendor. We know they want it. Why would we not supply it? They also want a description of our use situation. That's just basic How to ask a good questions. http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html Maybe MikroTik is actually in Missouri? Quote from the smart questions FAQ: All diagnosticians are from Missouri. That US state's official motto is Show me (earned in 1899, when Congressman Willard D. Vandiver said I come from a country that raises corn and cotton and cockleburs and Democrats, and frothy eloquence neither convinces nor satisfies me. I'm from Missouri. You've got to show me.) In diagnosticians' case, it's not a matter of skepticism, but rather a literal, functional need to see whatever is as close as possible to the same raw evidence that you see, rather than your surmises and summaries. Show us. End Quote By the time I get a smart help request written, I often have my answer and delete the draft message. We get what we put into it. Whatever it is. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
You have AirOS or that router software on your own x86 hardware? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:30 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like MikroTik. With Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you purchased. On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Because a bunch of people run cracked copies... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: supp...@mikrotik.com? Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to supply your serial number. As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't own. On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
No. Nor do I have Cisco iOS running on my own hardware. Sent from my iPad On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You have AirOS or that router software on your own x86 hardware? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:30 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like MikroTik. With Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you purchased. On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Because a bunch of people run cracked copies... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: supp...@mikrotik.com? Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to supply your serial number. As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't own. On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
OK but you're complaining MT requires you prove you own the software while Ubnt doesn't. That's because MT can be stolen and Ubnt can not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:45 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: No. Nor do I have Cisco iOS running on my own hardware. Sent from my iPad On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You have AirOS or that router software on your own x86 hardware? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:30 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like MikroTik. With Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you purchased. On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Because a bunch of people run cracked copies... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: supp...@mikrotik.com? Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to supply your serial number. As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't own. On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Fair enough. On Jan 9, 2013, at 19:10, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: OK but you're complaining MT requires you prove you own the software while Ubnt doesn't. That's because MT can be stolen and Ubnt can not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:45 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: No. Nor do I have Cisco iOS running on my own hardware. Sent from my iPad On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:35, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You have AirOS or that router software on your own x86 hardware? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:30 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like MikroTik. With Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you purchased. On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Because a bunch of people run cracked copies... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: supp...@mikrotik.com? Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to supply your serial number. As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't own. On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I've contacted MT support once. It was a week ago. I had an old 532 running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade. I went to the website, filled out the form, attached the sup file and sent it. I got a reply five minutes later with a new key. I upgraded. Life is good. :) Brian On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Oh. That's the other thing. No matter what you want to ask. They want a sup file. If I want to ask a question on assigning a vlan to a port. They want a sup file. Creating a user. Sup file. It's ridiculous. It's like they intentionally make support into a circus so people won't bother them. With Ubiquiti you just ask your question and get an answer. Sent from my iPad On Jan 9, 2013, at 19:45, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I've contacted MT support once. It was a week ago. I had an old 532 running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade. I went to the website, filled out the form, attached the sup file and sent it. I got a reply five minutes later with a new key. I upgraded. Life is good. :) Brian On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
You've proved you're a Ubiquiti fanboy and you're not happy with anything else. Just buy Ubiquiti stuff and let's end this thread going no where and not accomplishing anything. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Oh. That's the other thing. No matter what you want to ask. They want a sup file. If I want to ask a question on assigning a vlan to a port. They want a sup file. Creating a user. Sup file. It's ridiculous. It's like they intentionally make support into a circus so people won't bother them. With Ubiquiti you just ask your question and get an answer. Sent from my iPad On Jan 9, 2013, at 19:45, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I've contacted MT support once. It was a week ago. I had an old 532 running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade. I went to the website, filled out the form, attached the sup file and sent it. I got a reply five minutes later with a new key. I upgraded. Life is good. :) Brian On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
So anyone can copy it and those that paid for it provide the funding for those that don't. Not saying that MTs licensing it perfect, but requiring a license is a very common thing. Think Microsoft, Cisco, etc. On 1/9/2013 6:30 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like MikroTik. With Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you purchased. On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Because a bunch of people run cracked copies... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: supp...@mikrotik.com mailto:supp...@mikrotik.com? Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to supply your serial number. As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't own. On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org mailto:lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com mailto:supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com mailto:supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com mailto:supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org mailto:lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6014 - Release Date: 01/06/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Yeah, their automated response that says someone will look at your problem suggests you send a .sup file. However, when I have put a very detailed explanation of what I need help with, I have not had any problem getting an immediate, correct response from them. On 1/9/2013 7:45 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I've contacted MT support once. It was a week ago. I had an old 532 running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade. I went to the website, filled out the form, attached the sup file and sent it. I got a reply five minutes later with a new key. I upgraded. Life is good. :) Brian On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6014 - Release Date: 01/06/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Of course. I run ROS on my own x86 all over the place. -- On 1/9/2013 6:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: You have AirOS or that router software on your own x86 hardware? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:30 PM, "Matt Hoppes" mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Oh. It's that license thing again. Another reason I don't like MikroTik. With Uniquiti there are no license levels. You get what you purchased. On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:11, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Because a bunch of people run cracked copies... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 9, 2013 6:03 PM, "Matt Hoppes" mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: supp...@mikrotik.com? Yes. You usually get a reply there. Asking you to supply your serial number. As if I'd ask for support for a product I don't own. On Jan 9, 2013, at 17:15, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I've always gotten good support from MT. A forum is not support. Any major problem I have contacted them with has been fixed in less than a day. -- On 1/9/2013 8:10 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Yeah, their automated response that says someone will look at your problem suggests you send a .sup file. However, when I have put a very detailed explanation of what I need help with, I have not had any problem getting an immediate, correct response from them. On 1/9/2013 7:45 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I've contacted MT support once. It was a week ago. I had an old 532 running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade. I went to the website, filled out the form, attached the sup file and sent it. I got a reply five minutes later with a new key. I upgraded. Life is good. :) Brian On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6014 - Release Date: 01/06/13 -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
That's the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFihttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL [cid:image001.gif@01CDEDA8.13FB3010] If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! inline: image001.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: image001.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Why? Do you have one in service? NGL -- From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Why not? I've had very good success with mine so far. We've stopped buying MikroTiks and will be phasing in ToughSwitches and EdgeRouters. I need support. MT was good while there was no other competition. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:30, Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I was going to answer you guys...but you both boasted Ubiquiti support... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2] ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] Links: -- [1] http://www.ics-il.com [2] http://www.rcwifi.com/ [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2] ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] Links: -- [1] http://www.ics-il.com [2] http://www.rcwifi.com/ [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? Why? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2] ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] Links: -- [1] http://www.ics-il.com [2] http://www.rcwifi.com/ [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I'm sure you'll be making good use of that support. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
What is bandwidth shaping like on the EdgeRouter? I know it can be done since it is debian under the hood, just wondering what the interface CLI or GUI is like. I use to use a linux box for traffic shaping, but one of the main reasons for switch to MT back in the day was the fact that using tc on linux was painful. On 01/08/2013 05:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Why not? I've had very good success with mine so far. We've stopped buying MikroTiks and will be phasing in ToughSwitches and EdgeRouters. I need support. MT was good while there was no other competition. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:30, Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
What about VLANing that traffic? As fat as the ER. If enough people want MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their egotistic mentality. Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Keep in mind that it's Vyatta's routing implementation, not UBNT's. I'd check on their roadmap for MPLS. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: What about VLANing that traffic? As fat as the ER. If enough people want MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their egotistic mentality. Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Vyatta under the hood. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 6:55 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: What is bandwidth shaping like on the EdgeRouter? I know it can be done since it is debian under the hood, just wondering what the interface CLI or GUI is like. I use to use a linux box for traffic shaping, but one of the main reasons for switch to MT back in the day was the fact that using tc on linux was painful. On 01/08/2013 05:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Why not? I've had very good success with mine so far. We've stopped buying MikroTiks and will be phasing in ToughSwitches and EdgeRouters. I need support. MT was good while there was no other competition. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:30, Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Which is debian under the hood. Haven't used vyatta though so I don't know if there is a vyatta abstraction for tc or not, which is why I asked the question of the interface for bandwidth limiting. On 01/08/2013 06:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Vyatta under the hood. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 6:55 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: What is bandwidth shaping like on the EdgeRouter? I know it can be done since it is debian under the hood, just wondering what the interface CLI or GUI is like. I use to use a linux box for traffic shaping, but one of the main reasons for switch to MT back in the day was the fact that using tc on linux was painful. On 01/08/2013 05:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Why not? I've had very good success with mine so far. We've stopped buying MikroTiks and will be phasing in ToughSwitches and EdgeRouters. I need support. MT was good while there was no other competition. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:30, Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net mailto:j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com mailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote: That's the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On 1/8/2013 7:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: What about VLANing that traffic? As fat as the ER. If enough people want MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their egotistic mentality. I totally get what you mean about MT. We've got some ROS boxes doing good service, but then I tried a pair of 951s at home and had to take them out, as they just don't stay up. It's not uniform, and you get what you get. Vyatta doesn't compile in MPLS so EdgeOS doesn't have it. Vyatta is now Brocade so I don't know how flexible they'll be. VLANing is of no use. That provides a degree of protection against interception, but no QoS and no protection against DDoS. And it's kind of ugly. Not that MPLS isn't ugly, but until RINA is ready it can sort of work. Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I have had excellent support from UBNT, but maybe I'm special. o.O - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:05:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I was going to answer you guys...but you both boasted Ubiquiti support... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I believe the source project has no or minimal MPLS support. Lack of MPLS is a deal killer for me, but I suspect they'll get it in there. If you think EdgeOS is missing something, ask for it. The things I've asked for (aside from MPLS), they've assured are present or are being developed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:06:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2] ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] Links: -- [1] http://www.ics-il.com [2] http://www.rcwifi.com/ [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Many are running MPLS just fine on Mikrotik. One could also counter if you want a quality wireless network, why don't you use Canopy or WiMAX\LTE? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:11:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2] ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] Links: -- [1] http://www.ics-il.com [2] http://www.rcwifi.com/ [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I'm sure you'll be making good use of that support. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Oh it's not just your perception. When MikroTik folks come to the ubiquiti forums for support with MikroTik questions you know there is a problem. On Jan 8, 2013, at 19:35, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Having not touched one yet but knowing the hardware and software platform, I'd be willing to bet that where features are comparable the Quagga on Cavium setup in the edgemax will be more reliable and just as fast as anything Mikrotik can produce. That's based on the track record of the EdgeMax team at their previous employers, what I've seen of their development approach, and their openness to customers. Between hardware issues, ROS 5.x being fairly unstable, and the (maybe my perception) arrogance of their staff on forums and lack of customer service I think Ubiquiti will have to work hard to be worse. I still like Mikrotik for SoHo managed services customers but not in the provider network. If you don't need the integrated VoIP, DMVPN, or other funky features I think the ERLite-3 is a good match for replacing Cisco ISR boxes at customers. Older ISRs just don't have the throughput for dedicated link / fiber customers. On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Mikrotik had their MPLS implementation before the open source projects were out (or had features available before them), so it is widely believed that they developed it themselves. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:46:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Bug? There is no bug. You're just using it wrong. VLANs aren't acceptable in a large network and are much more difficult to manage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:02:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router What about VLANing that traffic? As fat as the ER. If enough people want MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their egotistic mentality. Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
They either developed it in-house or licensed a 3rd party MPLS product. ImageStream worked on and off for years trying to fill in the massive holes of the open source version. Made progress, but never enough to release. I don't think anyone has all 47 or so RFCs covered in a Linux implantation. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik had their MPLS implementation before the open source projects were out (or had features available before them), so it is widely believed that they developed it themselves. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:46:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I believe the source project has no or minimal MPLS support. Lack of MPLS is a deal killer for me, but I suspect they'll get it in there. There are some reasons to use Router OS MPLS 1) Main reason is VPLS, either for private network customers or PPPoE aggregation. 2) Then comes accelerated packet processing, which MT will now do for IP packets with the FastPath feature 3) The comes look, my network runs MPLS, the protocol of the big carriers What Ubiquiti could do, fast, is to provide both PWE3 and GRE capabilities, layer 2 and layer 3 tunneling. There is no need of MPLS to provide such services in a scenario the routers have good packets per second capabilities, like the Ubiquiti routers do. The MPLS capabilities of high-end routers linked to QoS and fast recovery are not there in Router OS, and I don't see Ubiquiti going after the service provider market Juniper leads and Cisco is a close follower. If UBNT wants to kick Mikrotik, tunneling and aggregation features (DHCP, RADIUS auth, Hotspot, PPPoE) are the ones to have. MPLS or not MPLS is not the point. Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I'd like to know as well.
We have been using MT since 2.3.
Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out..
Each has their place.
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On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.
You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik.
Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap
between them.
Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months
when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a
beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product
that you'd buy from a distributor.
Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my
Mikrotik? Now what's the answer...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt
Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:
Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these
things? Many of us have had them in heavy production
without issue for months.
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some
batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM,
"Mike Hammett" wispawirel...@ics-il.net
wrote:
Do you have anything to base that on?
I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been
up without missing a beat since they last had
firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.
Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if
they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them
a couple years and I think they'll be alright.
I likely won't use the first generation in
production.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port
Router
I have no reason to buy them at all. They're
going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which
is really really bad) and not be as good
software wise. Where does this device fit?
Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya
right.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett
wispawirel...@ics-il.net
wrote:
That's an awfully bold statement. How come?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
