Jim
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 8:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
I guess the point I
We have over 600 Airgrids deployed (Which did not get DFS approval but we
are using the frequencies listed and DFS on the Rocket Sectors they connect
to. I have been chasing jumping bunny rabbits (False Positives from
competitors putting up new APs)) - cost to replace $6000 not including
labor
Yes? :-p
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:17:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out
Run your rockets at legal power levels and you won't be chasing DFS hops.
On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:17, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com wrote:
We have over 600 Airgrids deployed (Which did not get DFS approval but we are
using the frequencies listed and DFS on the Rocket Sectors they connect
Ummm. And how are you connected uncertified devices to a DFS equipped sector?
On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:17, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com wrote:
We have over 600 Airgrids deployed (Which did not get DFS approval but we are
using the frequencies listed and DFS on the Rocket Sectors they
Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
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Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 3:31:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
Ummm. And how are you connected uncertified devices
mhop...@indigowireless.com
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Ummm. And how are you connected uncertified devices
: *Friday, February 14, 2014 3:31:32 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?
Ummm. And how are you connected uncertified devices to a DFS equipped
sector?
On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:17, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com
mailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:
We
: Friday, February 14, 2014 3:58:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
CPE must be DFS compliant as well. CPE has to be able to respond to channel
change requests from the AP, etc.
Josh Reynolds
Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS
j
: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?
CPE must be DFS compliant as well. CPE has to be able to respond to
channel change requests from the AP, etc.
*Josh Reynolds*
Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com
On 02/14/2014 12
*To: *wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Friday, February 14, 2014 3:58:13 PM
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frequencies?
CPE must be DFS compliant as well. CPE has to be able to respond to
channel change requests from the AP, etc.
*Josh Reynolds*
Chief
14, 2014 5:03:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
Exactly... and this conversation just took a hair pin into exactly WHY
we're being muscled out of the frequencies.
Guys -- if you're going to run, play by the rules. No unlocked radios
*From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
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*Sent: *Friday, February 14, 2014 5:03:53 PM
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Exactly
: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:01:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
We're talking about DFS certification requirements for CPEs. They exist :P
Josh Reynolds
Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com
On 02/14
*From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
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*Sent: *Friday, February 14, 2014 3:58:13 PM
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CPE must be DFS compliant as well. CPE has
On 02/14/2014 03:08 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
LOUD NOISES
I don't know what we're yelling about!
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?
Exactly... and this conversation just took a hair pin into exactly WHY we're
being muscled out of the frequencies.
Guys -- if you're going to run, play by the rules. No unlocked radios,
compliance
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 6:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?
Exactly
I guess the point I was trying to make was that every one of those airgrids
have been illegal to operate in 5.4 since day one. If you're unfortunate
enough to get the FCC's attention you could be fined dearly for operating
out of spec.
A bit of history. The 5.4 frequency block used to be
14, 2014 8:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?
I guess the point I was trying to make was that every one of those
airgrids have been illegal to operate in 5.4 since day one. If you're
unfortunate enough to get the FCC's
:54:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
Haven't we had this discussion before? In reference to m-PCI radio cards?
Didn't it break down to a 'spirit of the law' group and a 'letter of the
law' group last time? Professional installer, anyone
5265-5320
5500-5580
5660-5700
5735-5840
Are these not USA channels?
If am wrong let me know and I will change them.
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
wrote:
Forrest...what is your offlist email ?
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Yea, but the power levels of some are not likely usable in an outdoor WISP
environment.
A good explanation is at Wikipedia strange enough...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-NII
People running equipment in frequencies at a power level higher than
intended is the issue. Also, the 5470-5725 band
On 2/11/2014 6:18 PM, Art Stephens wrote:
5265-5320
5500-5580
5660-5700
5735-5840
Are these not USA channels?
If am wrong let me know and I will change them.
Yes, if your radio is type-approved for 15.407 with DFS. Otherwise only
the latter block, which can be type-approved under 15.247
On 2/12/2014 5:23 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
Yea, but the power levels of some are not likely usable in an outdoor
WISP environment.
A good explanation is at Wikipedia strange enough...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-NII
People running equipment in frequencies at a power level higher than
Obey regs shouldn't narrow any frequencies. It only limits power. Your
frequency availability is limited by the country code lock.
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 12, 2014, at 17:35, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:
On 2/11/2014 6:18 PM, Art Stephens wrote:
5265-5320
5500-5580
What are you guys talking about? A 30dB dish with a 0dB radio on it will
easily go 4-5 miles. Or put a 34dB dish on with a -4dB radio if you want more
gain.
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 12, 2014, at 17:56, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:
On 2/12/2014 5:23 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
I said not likely :)
Regards,
Chuck
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote:
What are you guys talking about? A 30dB dish with a 0dB radio on it will
easily go 4-5 miles. Or put a 34dB dish on with a -4dB radio if you want
more gain.
Sent from my
Heck I have a very old 5.2 BH20 extended range (software scheduling) at 7.3
miles with a rx of -76. Its been up since 2003 or 2004 running 7.2.9.
On Feb 12, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
What are you guys talking about? A 30dB dish with a 0dB radio on it
On 2/12/2014 6:04 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
What are you guys talking about? A 30dB dish with a 0dB radio on it
will easily go 4-5 miles. Or put a 34dB dish on with a -4dB radio if
you want more gain.
Yes, though urban clutter gets in our way. With 5 GHz WLANs becoming
more common, the
Back in the Alvarion days we had a customer in south FL with well over 1000 CPE
using UNII-2 bands with DFS via the BreezeMAX Extreme product. They ran only
QAM16 or higher connections and we able to achieve that with high reliability
in the dense suburban areas up to about 3 miles. The low
I've got a 10 year old PtP at 5.3GHz.
--
On 2/12/2014 5:56 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
On 2/12/2014 5:23 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
Yea, but the power levels of some are not likely usable in an outdoor
WISP environment.
A good explanation is at Wikipedia strange enough...
Yes but the lower ones require DFS and lower power and a certified radio.
Your original message was complaining about the removal of compliance test
mode. The specific purpose of compliance test mode is to permit a radio to
operate outside of legal limits. For instance over the legal power
Patrick, how the heck are ya?
marlon
From: Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 10:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
Amen. Preach it Brother Marlon.
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On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:19, Marlon
Different band.
Different designs.
Different equipment.
Same screwups..
marlon
From: Blair Davis
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 12:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
I don't even know of amps for 5GHz?
I thought
: Patrick Learymailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 10:01 AM
To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
Amen. Preach it Brother Marlon.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:19
@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:15:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
On 2/9/2014 9:42 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
The use of compliance test is one of the reasons the FCC is clamping down on 5
ghz…
UBNT says that they got DFS2
Blair Davis wrote,
I just went and read a bunch of the comments on the proceeding...
I didn't read them all, but I didn't find one in favor of the lower
antenna gain...
Has anyone else?
Motorola Solutions, makers of $6000 police walkie-talkies, explicitly
supports the lower gain
Interesting statement regarding Cisco.
They sell $3000 per unit mesh equipment whose range would be hurt if power
limits were dropped.
John
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On February 10, 2014 6:15:22 AM Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:
Blair Davis
Which means more units...
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On Feb 10, 2014 9:42 AM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:
Interesting statement regarding Cisco.
They sell $3000 per unit mesh equipment whose range would be hurt if
On 2/10/2014 9:42 AM, John Thomas wrote:
Interesting statement regarding Cisco.
They sell $3000 per unit mesh equipment whose range would be hurt if
power limits were dropped.
John
But I don't think they do stuff with high-gain external antennas.
Peeking through Comments, Ericsson, btw,
So what about the cell companies that use 5GHz for a quick back haul while
waiting for their license to come in?
On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:20, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:
On 2/10/2014 9:42 AM, John Thomas wrote:
Interesting statement regarding Cisco.
They sell $3000 per unit
On 2/10/2014 10:21 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So what about the cell companies that use 5GHz for a quick back haul
while waiting for their license to come in?
Not the ones commenting in favor of the proposal. I suppose the old
Motorola might have understood that, but Cambium now owns the
can talk this out a bit more.
509.988.0260
laters,
marlon
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
I'm going to agree with others...
Running outside
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:53 AM
To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
I'm going to agree with others...
Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it sounds like
you are definitely
Schafer (509.982.2181) o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:19:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
I’m with Forrest here.
Back in the “back ol’ days” of everyone running amps (we had
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frequencies?
I'm going to agree with others...
Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it
sounds like you are definitely running outside the limits since you
.
509.988.0260
laters,
marlon
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) mailto:li...@packetflux.com
*Sent:* Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:53 AM
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I'm going to agree with others
...@indigowireless.com
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Chuck,
Do you
: Saturday, February 08, 2014 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
DFS always comes second due to a longer certification process. It'll eventually
come. Some manufacturers seem to get approved more quickly, but that could
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?
DFS always comes second due to a longer certification process. It'll
eventually come. Some manufacturers seem to get approved more quickly,
but that could be timing of announcements and not the actual
certification
I'm going to agree with others...
Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it sounds
like you are definitely running outside the limits since you are whining
about the ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to have no use
than to exceed the limits.
I will also add
Forrest...what is your offlist email ?
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From: Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
Date:
, February 8, 2014 6:03:50 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?
Chuck,
Do you have a link or any information to what the FCC is
specifically discussing?
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 8, 2014, at 18:48, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
DFS always comes second due to a longer certification process. It'll eventually
come. Some manufacturers seem to get approved more quickly, but that could be
timing of announcements and not the actual certification process.
-50 dBm? Where? Where? I do see where your address is and I am
The new NanoBeams will support DFS, they are just pending approval.
Compliance Test - do you really want to go down that road? So what you just
said, in a public forum, is that 40% of your radios are running illegally on
frequencies they are not authorized to be on.
Please pack up and go
People running on those TDWR frequencies like that without proper
configuration are ruining the Unlimited Gain Antenna rule in the 5.8GHz
band. It is before the FCC right now and WISPA just held a manufacturer's
webinar about it. Every dish 2'+ would be affected, and would not be
allowed any
Chuck,
Do you have a link or any information to what the FCC is specifically
discussing?
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 8, 2014, at 18:48, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
People running on those TDWR frequencies like that without proper
configuration are ruining the Unlimited Gain Antenna
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:03:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
Chuck,
Do you have a link or any information to what the FCC is specifically
discussing?
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 8, 2014, at 18:48
*Sent: *Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:03:50 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?
Chuck,
Do you have a link or any information to what the FCC is specifically
discussing?
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 8, 2014, at 18:48, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
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From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:03:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
Chuck,
Do you
I realize that many here hate the Cisco word, but all their radios are DFS
compliant.
John
-Original Message-
From: Art Stephens [mailto:asteph...@ptera.com]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 08:29 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
I realize that many here hate the Cisco word, but all their radios are DFS
compliant.
John
-Original Message-
From: Art Stephens [mailto:asteph...@ptera.com]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 08:29 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
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