y to find parents and children of
things, and other stuff that would otherwise be an intractable mess.
. . . j o n a t h a n
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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:57 PM
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Subje
Take note that caching content, generally reduces download traffic, which
does not always translate to a financial savings.
It can screws up your up/down ratios, that many Upstream backbone providers
want to see 50/50 or more download than upload, to honor the price they
quote you.
In other word
nt: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps
Hi,
We've had one for almost 5 years now... but there isn't anything to "play
with". They ship you three 1u servers and a Cisco switch. You plug
everything in and turn it on. They do all the admin
nnect to them.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:38 AM
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Y
Rogato
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Butch Evans wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
>
>> been installed in very large cable operators. I'd be happy to talk
>> off-line. It does scale
den of WideOpenWest if anyone is
interested.
. . . j o n a t h a n
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http://www.perftech.com
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Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 12:46 PM
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Butch Evans wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
been installed in very large cable operators. I'd be happy to talk
off-line. It does scale smoothly from 1K to millions of subs.
There have been 2 people who've asked for some other detail on the list,
and I'll add my name in
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
been installed in very large cable operators. I'd be happy to talk
off-line. It does scale smoothly from 1K to millions of subs.
There have been 2 people who've asked for some other detail on the
list, and I'll add my name in the hat for that. W
ssage-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:11 AM
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Jonathan,
You said
"In fact, we make a targeted messaging product that inserts a toolbar-
CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
Jonathan,
You said
"In fact, we make a targeted messaging product that inserts a toolbar-like,
unobtrusive message into subscriber browsers display."
Is this program or code for sale to wispa members? Maybe tell us a few
details. I was hoping we could use it for late pay
;s, etc.
Chuck
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 6:16 PM
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John, will this code say any thing I want it to, like "pay up
Anyway, it's an interesting difference between the cultures as to what is a
comfortable subscription plan.
. . . j o n a t h a n
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:16 PM
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Wow, Matt, you're well equipped with the good ideas.
In fact, we make a targeted messaging product that inserts a toolbar-like,
unobtrusive message into subscriber browsers display. TVCABO bought it to
deploy all over Portugal...primarily to
. . j o n a t h a n
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Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
> True, Matt, often a better way.
>
> Now
Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
True, Matt, often a better way.
Now, what to do with P2P abusers?
Sell them more bandwidth?
-Matt
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps
True, Matt, often a better way.
Now, what to do with P2P abus
True, Matt, often a better way.
Now, what to do with P2P abusers?
. . . j o n a t h a n
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:39 AM
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mpletely different animal in a different sphere of operation and,
although valuable, isn't an ad-hoc cache.
. . . j o n a t h a n
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ad-hoc cache.
. . . j o n a t h a n
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:27 AM
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Hi,
We've had one for almost 5 years now... but
Hi,
We've had one for almost 5 years now... but there isn't anything to
"play with". They ship you three 1u servers and a Cisco switch. You plug
everything in and turn it on. They do all the admin, config, setup, etc.
and don't allow you access whatsoever.
But it does work great. Microsoft u
George Rogato wrote:
You know Akamai is also an option. As I recall they require you to have
x number of subs and then send you their boxes to be set up on your
network. All free.
Any idea on how many subs you need before this becomes an option? I've
heard that Akamai will do this, and I lov
Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
Also, they add significant latency to ordinary traffic (the requested URLs
have to be obtained in their entirety first then relayed) and you can't have
more than a thousand up to several thousand simultaneous users...maybe not a
problem... you can get around that with loa
on a regular site to inflict heavy
traffic.
. . . j o n a t h a n
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Back in the olden days
Back in the olden days of dialup, I used to get fantastic results from
our caching server. It was just a PIII machine with a whopping 640meg
of memory, but it did a good job. Page views were noticeably faster
when things were setup correctly.
When I was in a backbone pinch, I used a caching
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
FYI, that is NOT how things worked with my Cobalt CacheRAQ. It was
amazing how quickly things snapped up on the page with it vs. without
it. Too bad it was an older unit and I could only use it by changing
the gateway addresses. And it had heat related lockup issu
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 8:47 PM
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Yeah, I know you took it of
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Yeah, I know you took it off for me. As I recall the conversation
you said that we could do some testing that would show that it
really did speed things up. But it also caused a delay when the
page was starting to load and that mad
Marlon / et al wisp ceo's,
yes. your raw cost per mb is going to skyrocket once your users start
watching iptv over your trunkline. I'm going to be posting compression
and streaming solutions at http://iptv-coverage.com too. so please use
my new site to archive your own findings as well. that way
I just wanted to weigh in here and add that filesharing and p2p is
really a main driver of the isp business model today and we're going to
have to do something to pull this in and make it equitable for everyone.
If you think about this, what we're all doing here is paying for
expensive dedica
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:44 AM
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Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Wrong answer, It should be the other way ar
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Wrong answer, It should be the other way around. Because we don't bit
charge, we manage our network to accomadate our users needs.
I would imagine that if you were here telling your subs that they had
to pay more, they would be coming this way.
Yeppers.
I am going to add a caching server to our system again in the near
future. What I'm looking for is not so much the bandwidth savings from
the upstream but better performance to the sub.
We had one in the past when we were t-1 connected, but dumped it when we
went to fiber ethernet upstream 4 yea
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Do you have the option of changing to a service where you pay a certain
amou
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
I know that they (and Butc
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Are you paying extra for bursting, or just the overall bandwidth used?
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Sent: Tuesday, Decembe
and either deny or very carefully measure how much you
burst.
Jeff
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:16 PM
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Thanks
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
I know that they (and Butch) claimed it was
No...I think you are confusing me with someone else. :-) I have
told MANY people that proxy service on MT is riddled with problems,
not the least of which is speed. One of the first th
l List"
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Marlon , why the additive pricing for additional Gigs? Why wouldn't you
just charge x$ per gig, since that is essentially what you are being
charged by your upstream. If someone is using an average
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Hi Marlon,
Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Just a
Are you paying extra for bursting, or just the overall bandwidth used?
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How are you guys tracking usage? What program are you using to measure
it and are you measureing every bit or an average?
On 12/22/06, T
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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:38 PM
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But a cahing server if you can't afford the bandwidth.
Seriously, your model, the old model, is
Marlon , why the additive pricing for additional Gigs? Why wouldn't you
just charge x$ per gig, since that is essentially what you are being
charged by your upstream. If someone is using an average of 161 kbps
constantly for a month, that sounds a lot like a T-1. Speakeasy is doing
T-1s to the
m: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Guess it cmes down to what you are selling and what does it cost you to do
> business.
>
> First f, you are selling a
he greater good, unless I have to.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download would be.
Specifically, I've got a cou
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Guess it cmes down
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Guess it cmes down to what you are selling and w
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Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
First, I have to figure out how many kbps
ecember 22, 2006 1:45 PM
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Guess it cmes down to what you are selling and what does it cost you to do
business.
First f, you are selling a simle internet conection for a casual user. If
you want you can squeeze them fr every little "bit".
I wonder why
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
>>> First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download would be.
>>> Specifically, I've got a couple of customers doing 50 gigs per month.
>>> How many kbps does it take to generate that?
>>
>> Assuming a month is 30 days (nice round number), 50GB/m
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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:42 PM
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Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
First, I have to figure out how many kbps
Yes, change to a "speed" model like everyone else (Cable, DSL, WISP) and
don't worry about it any more. :)
Travis
Microserv
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Hi All,
OK, so now that we know who our heavy users are I have to come up with
a couple of things.
First, I have to figure out
Guess it cmes down to what you are selling and what does it cost you to
do business.
First f, you are selling a simle internet conection for a casual user.
If you want you can squeeze them fr every little "bit".
I wonder why you have to charge them more, if you are being billed at
the 95%
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
> First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download would be.
> Specifically, I've got a couple of customers doing 50 gigs per month.
> How many kbps does it take to generate that?
Assuming a month is 30 days (nice round number), 50GB/month is ab
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