RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-29 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
, and other stuff that would otherwise be an intractable mess. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Why

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 6:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps John, will this code say any thing I want it to, like pay up or else If you sell it, any

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread George Rogato
CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Jonathan, You said snip In fact, we make a targeted messaging product that inserts a toolbar-like, unobtrusive message into subscriber browsers display. Is this program or code for sale to wispa members? Maybe tell us a few details. I was hoping we could use it for late

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps Jonathan, You said snip In fact, we make a targeted messaging product that inserts a toolbar-like, unobtrusive message into subscriber browsers display. Is this program or code

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: been installed in very large cable operators. I'd be happy to talk off-line. It does scale smoothly from 1K to millions of subs. There have been 2 people who've asked for some other detail on the list, and I'll add my name in the hat for that.

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread George Rogato
Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: been installed in very large cable operators. I'd be happy to talk off-line. It does scale smoothly from 1K to millions of subs. There have been 2 people who've asked for some other detail on the list, and I'll add my name in

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
://www.perftech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 12:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: been installed in very large cable

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
, 2006 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: been installed in very large cable operators. I'd be happy to talk off-line. It does scale smoothly from 1K to millions of subs. There have been 2 people

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
to them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps You don't need to host Akamai

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Hi, We've had one for almost 5 years now... but there isn't anything to play with. They ship you three 1u servers and a Cisco switch. You plug everything in and turn it on. They do all the admin, config, setup, etc. and don't allow you access

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
Take note that caching content, generally reduces download traffic, which does not always translate to a financial savings. It can screws up your up/down ratios, that many Upstream backbone providers want to see 50/50 or more download than upload, to honor the price they quote you. In other

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-27 Thread David E. Smith
Jonathan Schmidt wrote: Also, they add significant latency to ordinary traffic (the requested URLs have to be obtained in their entirety first then relayed) and you can't have more than a thousand up to several thousand simultaneous users...maybe not a problem... you can get around that with

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-27 Thread David E. Smith
George Rogato wrote: You know Akamai is also an option. As I recall they require you to have x number of subs and then send you their boxes to be set up on your network. All free. Any idea on how many subs you need before this becomes an option? I've heard that Akamai will do this, and I

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-27 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We've had one for almost 5 years now... but there isn't anything to play with. They ship you three 1u servers and a Cisco switch. You plug everything in and turn it on. They do all the admin, config, setup, etc. and don't allow you access whatsoever. But it does work great. Microsoft

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-27 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Hi, We've had one for almost 5 years now... but there isn't anything to play

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-27 Thread Matt Liotta
sphere of operation and, although valuable, isn't an ad-hoc cache. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Hi

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-27 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
True, Matt, often a better way. Now, what to do with P2P abusers? . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-27 Thread Rich Comroe
that 1GByte list. Rich - Original Message - From: Jonathan Schmidt To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps True, Matt, often a better way. Now, what to do with P2P abusers? . . j o n a t h a n

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-27 Thread Matt Liotta
Jonathan Schmidt wrote: True, Matt, often a better way. Now, what to do with P2P abusers? Sell them more bandwidth? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-27 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Jonathan Schmidt wrote: True, Matt, often a better way. Now, what to do with P2P abusers? Sell

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-27 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps Wow, Matt, you're well equipped with the good ideas. In fact, we make a targeted messaging product that inserts a toolbar-like, unobtrusive message into subscriber browsers display. TVCABO bought it to deploy all over Portugal...primarily to upsell their subscribers

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-27 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
between the cultures as to what is a comfortable subscription plan. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps John

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps But a cahing server if you can't afford the bandwidth. Seriously, your model, the old model, is about dead

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps How are you guys tracking usage? What program are you using to measure it and are you measureing every bit or an average? On 12/22/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Are you paying extra for bursting, or just the overall bandwidth used? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Hi Marlon, Merry Christmas to you and your family! Just a thought, you might want to fire those 9 customers. You could also rate-limit

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
: Sunday, December 24, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Marlon , why the additive pricing for additional Gigs? Why wouldn't you just charge x$ per gig, since that is essentially what you are being charged by your upstream. If someone is using an average of 161 kbps constantly

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I know that they (and Butch) claimed it was No...I think you are confusing me with someone else. :-) I have told MANY people that proxy service on MT is riddled with problems, not the least of which is speed. One of the first

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Jeff Broadwick
and either deny or very carefully measure how much you burst. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Thanks

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps Are you paying extra for bursting, or just the overall bandwidth used? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:06 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I know that they (and Butch) claimed

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:30 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps Do you have the option of changing to a service where you pay a certain amount per month for a certain

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Jeff Broadwick
] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:30 AM

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Wrong answer, It should be the other way around. Because we

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Mike Ireton
I just wanted to weigh in here and add that filesharing and p2p is really a main driver of the isp business model today and we're going to have to do something to pull this in and make it equitable for everyone. If you think about this, what we're all doing here is paying for expensive

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
Marlon / et al wisp ceo's, yes. your raw cost per mb is going to skyrocket once your users start watching iptv over your trunkline. I'm going to be posting compression and streaming solutions at http://iptv-coverage.com too. so please use my new site to archive your own findings as well. that

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Yeah, I know you took it off for me. As I recall the conversation you said that we could do some testing that would show that it really did speed things up. But it also caused a delay when the page was starting to load and that

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Yeah, I know you took it off for me. As I

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread George Rogato
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: FYI, that is NOT how things worked with my Cobalt CacheRAQ. It was amazing how quickly things snapped up on the page with it vs. without it. Too bad it was an older unit and I could only use it by changing the gateway addresses. And it had heat related lockup

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Back in the olden days of dialup, I used to get fantastic results from our caching server. It was just a PIII machine with a whopping 640meg of memory, but it did a good job. Page views were noticeably faster when things were setup correctly. When I was in a backbone pinch, I used a caching

RE: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-26 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
to inflict heavy traffic. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 12:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Back in the olden days of dialup, I used

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-24 Thread John Thomas
Marlon , why the additive pricing for additional Gigs? Why wouldn't you just charge x$ per gig, since that is essentially what you are being charged by your upstream. If someone is using an average of 161 kbps constantly for a month, that sounds a lot like a T-1. Speakeasy is doing T-1s to the

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-22 Thread David E. Smith
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download would be. Specifically, I've got a couple of customers doing 50 gigs per month. How many kbps does it take to generate that? Assuming a month is 30 days (nice round number), 50GB/month is

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-22 Thread George Rogato
Guess it cmes down to what you are selling and what does it cost you to do business. First f, you are selling a simle internet conection for a casual user. If you want you can squeeze them fr every little bit. I wonder why you have to charge them more, if you are being billed at the 95%

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-22 Thread Travis Johnson
Yes, change to a speed model like everyone else (Cable, DSL, WISP) and don't worry about it any more. :) Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, OK, so now that we know who our heavy users are I have to come up with a couple of things. First, I have to figure out

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-22 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-22 Thread David E. Smith
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download would be. Specifically, I've got a couple of customers doing 50 gigs per month. How many kbps does it take to generate that? Assuming a month is 30 days (nice round number), 50GB/month is

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-22 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Guess it cmes down to what you are selling and what does it cost you to do business. First f, you are selling a simle internet conection for a casual user. If you want you can squeeze them fr every little bit. I wonder why you have to charge them more, if you

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-22 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-22 Thread Travis Johnson
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Guess it cmes down to what you are selling and what does it cost you to do business. First f

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-22 Thread George Rogato
/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Guess it cmes down to what you are selling and what does it cost you

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download would be. Specifically, I've got a couple of customers doing 50 gigs per month. How many kbps does it take to generate

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-22 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: First, I have to figure out

Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps

2006-12-22 Thread jefflist
PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps Guess it cmes down to what you are selling and what does it cost you to do business. First f, you are selling a simle internet conection for a casual user. If you