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On Jan 14, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Christie Mason wrote:
Well there goes that theory. My thoughts were something like
graphically oriented people are attracted to using Macs and Flash.
BCAT's attempting to make Flash accessible is good but if the
content hadn't been made inaccessible in the fir
And we do agree. But again, NOT THE POINT, although it may be wrong, it may
need to be designed accessible in the first place, it hasn't, so don't argue
the point. End it at the fact that something needs to be done and people are
ignorant. BCAT is doing what people should be doing, fixing things th
Well there goes that theory. My thoughts were something like graphically
oriented people are attracted to using Macs and Flash. BCAT's attempting to
make Flash accessible is good but if the content hadn't been made
inaccessible in the first place, then it wouldn't be needed.
Yes, Flash can be us
Forgot to mention several other things, Christie.
1. "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail", I am
still laughing at that.
CM - Interaction is more than clicking on a link or moving things around on
> a screen. Those "links" are easier to develop and manage with HTML,
Pardon the language, but Hell no. For a number of different reasons. Among
that being, I can't work with the code as good as I can with Microsoft's and
the fact that it costs too much money. Although it is proprietary, I can
recode most of what I need to do (Microsoft's code). To say I disagree wit
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From: Hassan Schroeder
It's *integrated* with the video, graphics, sound. Let's say you're
teaching bicycle mechanics, and you have a video that demonstrates
replacing a cog in a cassette. As the component is disassembled, you
want to show the name and details of each p
Brett you are correct, This is a personal theory based on some personal
observations. Do you use a Mac as your primary development computer?
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From: Brett Patterson (BP)
BP - Okay, first this part of the answer. There are different types of
ways that people learn. I suggest reading:
http://www.worldwidelearn.com/education-articles/how-do-you-learn.htm
CM - That's a very simplistic theory of how people learn and it's actually a
commun
On 1/14/09 5:38 AM, "Christie Mason" wrote:
> Plus, I'd be curious as to availability of the Flex server in
> remote hosts. I haven't seen any offer it, is it still so pricey(?), but I
> also haven't been looking for it.
Flex hasn't been sold on a server basis since 1.5, which was released in
200
The below was to James Ducker.
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Brett Patterson <
inspiron.patters...@gmail.com> wrote:
> THANK YOU!!! I could not agree with you more. And in the same since, I
> think we agree with each other.
>
> Congratulations on an argument "well-played." And w
Christie, your argument is about the most ridiculous argument there is.
Everything you have stated is SOLELY about you and your personal
preferences. Observe:
I'm not a highly visual person, I even prefer reading data to being given a
> graph.
>
So what? *NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT YOU!!!* Your person
THANK YOU!!! I could not agree with you more. And in the same since, I think
we agree with each other.
Congratulations on an argument "well-played." And well-thought!!!
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Brett P.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:05 AM, James Ducker wrote:
> Hi WSG,
>
> This entire argument is getting a bit muc
Christie Mason wrote:
CM - I wasn't talking about Flex. I was referring to Flash. I can see that
I wasn't clear when I changed thoughts.
And again, missing the point: Flash is a *platform* with which you
can do a variety of things. It's not 1998 any more, and Flash is
only about Dancing Hamp
Hi WSG,
This entire argument is getting a bit much. Nothing on the web is in and of
itself particularly accessible. Accessibility in HTML is a joke unless you
have been taught the right practices. Flash was, is, and will continue to
be, primarily, a tool for delivery of rich, interactive media. To
I hope I can throw my 2 cents in. Not trying to argue, but to TRY and answer
some questions.
> A question was asked early in this thread about what are the benefits of
> using Flash? There's been no answer to that question. I was hoping to
> learn
> some answers because I've been confused about w
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From:f Hassan Schroeder
Christie Mason wrote:
> Yes, I've tried Flex and abandoned the effort.
> ... Plus, there's the maintenance issue. Simple example I always
> use is what if you had to change a corporate logo in every Flash file? To
> do that with a dynamic dat
Christie Mason wrote:
Yes, I've tried Flex and abandoned the effort.
... Plus, there's the maintenance issue. Simple example I always
use is what if you had to change a corporate logo in every Flash file? To
do that with a dynamic database approach you change the file once and that's
it.
From: Hassan Schroeder
Have you ever developed -- or even used -- an application built in
Flex, or OpenLaszlo? Perfectly simple to do any of the above, with
the advantage of easy integration with video and other rich content.
[CM]
Yes, I've tried Flex and abandoned the effort. It didn't give me
Andrew R wrote:
,... and I’m going to make some gross simplification to illustrate my
point.
Apparently.
> Flash is prominently a tool for supporting interaction with
certain types of content. It does not enable a whole bunch of other
activities that could (should) be included in supporting
Having worked as both a teacher in higher ed, and in a support role
for teachers in higher ed, I have to agree 100% with Andrew.
Flash is the devil you know. Teachers use it so they don't have to
learn something new. It amazes me how many people still get away with
making flash sites, and burning
> A question was asked early in this thread about what are the benefits of>
> using Flash? There's been no answer to that question. I was hoping to learn>
> some answers because I've been confused about why it's become so widely used>
> in eLearning. I think I see several factors but I also t
> -Original Message-
> From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On
> Behalf Of Matt Morgan-May
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 January 2009 6:43 AM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
>
>
>
On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 11:42 -0800, Matt Morgan-May wrote:
> If "evil" is all you have to say about Flash, then there's not much that can
> be said. It's clearly not worth taking a reasoned approach to convince you
> that it has merit as a classroom tool, despite the thousands of teachers and
> mill
On 1/12/09 2:20 AM, "michael.brocking...@bt.com"
wrote:
> Quote:" The fact is that many educators have found that they can use
> Flash to teach their students effectively."
>
> I think you (and those teachers that you refer to) are mistaking an
> effective lesson, for effective teaching.*
[...]
>
A question was asked early in this thread about what are the benefits of
using Flash? There's been no answer to that question. I was hoping to learn
some answers because I've been confused about why it's become so widely used
in eLearning.I think I see several factors but I also think I'm stil
Quote:" The fact is that many educators have found that they can use
Flash to teach their students effectively."
I think you (and those teachers that you refer to) are mistaking an
effective lesson, for effective teaching.*
Also, I think you mis-understand where the problem lies. Because of the
On 11/01/2009, at 4:08 PM, James Ducker wrote:
Ultimately teachers should aim to teach the skills that are
required of students entering the industry.
The TAFE students I tutor in Sydney are being taught XHTML, XML, CSS
table-free layouts, and so on, so not a bad start. The JavaScript
co
>
> Ultimately teachers should aim to teach the skills that are required of
> students entering the industry.
The TAFE students I tutor in Sydney are being taught XHTML, XML, CSS
table-free layouts, and so on, so not a bad start. The JavaScript courses
look like they could use some improvement (s
On 10/01/2009, at 6:50 AM, Matt Morgan-May wrote:
Hi,
Excuse me for jumping in here, especially (in this case) as a Flash
partisan. But I fail to see how this kind of project can be anything
other
than a good thing overall.
What I don't understand is why people are instantly critical of
Agreed!
> -Original Message-
> From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt
Morgan-May
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:50 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
>
> Hi,
>
> Excuse me for jum
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