Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Those are on my mental list of books I may eventually buy, but I haven't got them yet. Are they worth reading, as books, did you find? Red Pine often refers to the Conze translation of Heart and Diamond Sutras in his translation of those works (generally to explain why he has translated

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-27 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, siska_...@... wrote: Hello Ed, Thanks for the welcome :) Hello siska, The Zen Forum exists in samsara - so, hold on to your seat and expect anything - and even the worst! I am not familiar with the terms being used here, especially when you all are

Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine

2010-10-27 Thread ED
Bill, What on earth is not an illusion? Thanks, --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Anthony, Physical laws are illusions, but the phenomena (experience) which they attempt to describe cannot be ignored. See the koan 'Hyakujo and the Fox', Case 2 - THE GATELESS

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread Maria Lopez
Hi Anthony:   I don't know because hardly ever drink beer but when I do is with alcohol and mixed with sparkling lemon.  I'm an smoker.  After different attempts in the past of trying to give up I didn't succeed.  Now I don't try to give up any longer.  Perhaps smokes gives up on me!.    Mayka

RE: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine

2010-10-27 Thread BillSmart
the koan 'Hyakujo and the Fox', Case 2 - THE GATELESS GATE collection. ...Bill!   __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5566 (20101027) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-27 Thread Maria Lopez
Welcome to the zen forum Siska.   Lay back and enjoy the ride.  Unluckily you can find the answer of your questioning in a Internet forum.  Sit down and shut up is advisable towards having a glimpse to the direct experience of Buddha nature.   Google and Ed are Internet leaflets of commercial

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread Maria Lopez
Chris:   Yes there is some expressions, colloquialisms and slang that are used in America and not in the UK and viceverse.  The real trouble for a foreign student studying English is that there is not any Royal Academy of the English Language giving directions as there is in the Spanish

RE: [Zen] Platform Scripture of the Sixth Patriarch

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Mai Kao Jai. When you have realized your original nature (that sounds great), but you still cannot drink coffee at 100 deg C.   Anthony --- On Wed, 27/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Platform

Re: [Zen] Platform Scripture of the Sixth Patriarch

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   They are seemingly the same position, but Vajrayana has a lot of sex rituals. I don't think zen has it. If I am wrong, correct me.   Anthony --- On Wed, 27/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Platform Scripture of the Sixth

RE: [Zen] Platform Scripture of the Sixth Patriarch

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Do you perform a sex ritual, or plan to do it?   Anthony --- On Wed, 27/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Platform Scripture of the Sixth Patriarch To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday,

Re: [Zen] Fwd: The Gateway to Chan Wisdom - II

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
  JM,   Lets see the two sentences below (the translation is excellent. Though it cannot be 100% accurate, I think a minimum of 90% is warranted):   1. The cause of reincarnation is the existence of consciousness. If consciousness does not exist, we transcend the cycles of reincarnation. 2.  at

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-27 Thread siska_cen
Hi Ed, The Zen Forum exists in samsara - so, hold on to your seat and expect anything - and even the worst! :-) I'm not totally new to Buddhism and terms like buddha nature, dhamma, samsara etc are not new to me either, but it has been a long time since I read the definitions, it may be a

Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine

2010-10-27 Thread ED
Whatever one experiences 'Buddha' to be. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Ed, Your question: What on earth is not an illusion? is what zen is all about! All thoughts and concepts of the discriminating mind (the rational mind that creates dualisms such as

Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine

2010-10-27 Thread ED
Bill, For instance, like this below? --ED http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._Austin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._Austin Enlightenment Austin is also a practicing Zen Buddhist. After a number of years of Zen meditation, Austin claims to have spontaneously experienced what Zen

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   I am sorry your continued request has been ignored. As our new member says, people tend to maintain 'certainly'. Meanwhile, there is also a lack of compassion. By the way, how much is a pack of cigarettes in Europe? In Singapore here, you pay SGD12, which is about Eur 6.7. Next time,

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   It doesn't matter. As long as it is refreshing, it is good for me. Frankly, I never had beer cocktail. However, it is a good idea to moderate something like Maotai (60% alcohol) with something milder, so that you can enjoy screaming more before you are drunk.   Anthony --- On Wed,

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
Siska,   The Buddha means somebody who can walk and talk as soon as he is born. According to a mahayana story, Sakyamuni, as soon as he came out of his mother's womb, walked seven steps in each of the 4 directions, east, south, west and north. Then he pointed one finger to the sky and the other

Re: [Zen] Platform Scripture of the Sixth Patriarch

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   If the lama starts the process at 10, he will be eighty when he begins the Tantric sex. How much viagra is needed?   You are wrong. in one of the stories, the semen obtained from the sex ritual is fed to each of the couple. Do you enjoy the story? Or that will cause you nausea.   Anthony

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
Siska,   Zen seems to be different from Buddhism, but I think it is the same, less the name Buddha. Sakyamuni Buddha preached for 45 years to instruct people to give up attachment. That is what zen is doing. The reason why zen 'kills' Buddha is because the name has been contaminated by all

Re: [Zen] Fwd: The Gateway to Chan Wisdom - II

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
JM,   You are wrong. The correct answer your Chan Master implies is as follows:   When you turn your consciousness into pure wisdom, there will no longer be reincarnation. Your sacred life has been completed. Done is what was to be done. Congratulations. You are a Buddha.   I charge 500 yuan for

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread ED
Anthony, What is your religious/spiritual orientation? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Siska, Zen seems to be different from Buddhism, but I think it is the same, less the name Buddha. Sakyamuni Buddha preached for 45 years to instruct people to give

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
My advice is that you should be careful in choosing your teacher. Test him first. Some Tantric teacher will ask you to jump from the top of a seven story building to try your loyalty. More smart teacher will make a preemptive remark that if you see him chasing a young girl, that is also a test

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   I already spoke of my religious/spiritual orientation in my remark below.   Anthony --- On Thu, 28/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 6:18 AM  

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread ED
Anthony, Is it implied in your post below that you are a non-spiritual, non-religious zen practitioner? Or is it something else? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: ED, I already spoke of my religious/spiritual orientation in my remark below. Anthony

[Zen] Re: Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread audreydc1983
When I tried to quit smoking (for the 5th time), I succeeded. What worked for me: I held my fingers up to my lips, as if I had a cigarette between them. I inhaled through my fingers, as I would have with a cigarette. I did that for 5-10 minutes, every time I thought I needed a cigarette. I used

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   Cross out the two 'non's and add 'bad' before the the 'zen'.   Anthony --- On Thu, 28/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 6:39 AM   Anthony,

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
Audrey,   The method you used is also a kind of meditation. Congratulations.   Anthony --- On Thu, 28/10/10, audreydc1983 audreydc1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: audreydc1983 audreydc1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen and the Brain To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010,

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-27 Thread siska_cen
Hi Ed, By here, I meant Jakarta, Indonesia :-) There are zen groups here and zen retreats. But I've attended the teacher's talk and I don't feel he's quite 'there' yet. But then, as someone in this forum put it, that is just the way *I* experienced this teacher. I don't know. siska

RE: [Zen] Platform Scripture of the Sixth Patriarch

2010-10-27 Thread BillSmart
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RE: [Zen] Platform Scripture of the Sixth Patriarch

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RE: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread BillSmart
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RE: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread BillSmart
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RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-27 Thread BillSmart
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RE: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine

2010-10-27 Thread BillSmart
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RE: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine

2010-10-27 Thread BillSmart
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Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-27 Thread siska_cen
Mayka, What you said below made me realised that I've brushed aside anything that has got to do with rituals and traditions while I'm reading below two books. Perhaps not a wise thing to do? I first came to know meditation through the Mahasi tradition. Later I attended retreats that are based

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-27 Thread siska_cen
More smart teacher will make a preemptive remark that if you see him chasing a young girl, that is also a test on your loyalty It's none of my business if he likes chasing a young girl, I don't care ;-) -Original Message- From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Sender:

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-27 Thread siska_cen
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Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine

2010-10-27 Thread siska_cen
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