Hi Edgar,
Thanks for the reply and insight. I'm just finding it really hard to intergrate
my understanding and experience of Zen with the importance some people here are
placing on chi. I can appreciate that chi exists and may even be the source of
form and emptiness, but at the end of the day I
This is exactly the same as my perspective without the due
respect...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi Edgar,
> Thanks for the reply and insight. I'm just finding it really hard
to intergrate my understanding and experience of Zen with the
impo
Jeni Jeni,
One can be enlightened at any moment, in fact there is always
enlightenment, its just a matter of realizing it, of admitting it. As
I indicated in my previous response to you sexual energy is certainly
chi and sex can certainly intensify one's chi. While orgasms are
certainly b
Hi Mike, and Bill too,
I think the problem you and Bill are having is in thinking of chi as
something in particular rather than of the very stuff or substance of
everything which is what it is in the sense I (and at least to some
extent JM) are using it. Chi is not something that martial ar
Edgar,
I'm in the process of reading your paper on time. It written with
meticulous care to follow the scientific process. Why then would you
be drawn into this kind of psuedo-science?
For just one example, the first fatal flaw in this experiment is the
assumption that Matthieu Ricard is rep
Edgar,
I wholeheartedly agree with your comments about sex and zen, and in
fact think that applies to lots of other areas.
This is why I differentiate between Zen Buddhism (a religion) and zen
(what you have referred to as 'True Zen').
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <
Edgar,
Thanks for trying to clargy this.
I accept your explanation of how you use the word 'chi' or 'OE', and
have never disagreed with it. I have first encountered it as being
called Buddha Nature and now refer to it as Just THIS! becasue I
don't want it to be tied to tightly to Buddhism.
B
Bill,
Yes, I agree completely with your distinction. Interesting though
that you use the capitalization in exactly the opposite way as I tend
to. I'll have to re-evaluate the way I use my capitalization.
Generally I distinguish by using the terms true Zen vs zen sects.
Maybe I use the cap
Hi Bill,
I posted it simply as a news story, I certainly didn't put my seal of
approval on it. I also didn't think Ricard looked particularly
enlightened, but hey, maybe it was just all those electrodes? :-)
Best,
Edgar
On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Bill Smart wrote:
Edgar,
I'm in the
Bill,
That's pretty much in line with my terminology. But the difference in
approach I think is this. We find ourselves in a dualistic world in
which forms (different manifestations of chi or THIS) do exist. Of
course Zen sees they are ultimately illusion and empty, but that
doesn't make
Edgar,
Yes, I use lower case 'z' to indicate that 'zen' is nothing special
and not specifically associated with anything else (like Buddhism).
I use 'Zen' with an upper case 'Z' to stand for Zen Buddhism which is
a proper noun and does stand for something very specific and
therefore bounded -
I agree, I agree, I agree.
My point in my last 10 posts or so was that we should be very careful
not to mix these two modes in such a cavalier fashion that our
attempts at communication are more open to misinterpretation than
they already are.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar
Bill,
Yes I agree, it's very easy to get hung up in the forms one deals
with and forget they are only forms.
Edgar
On Sep 11, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Bill Smart wrote:
I agree, I agree, I agree.
My point in my last 10 posts or so was that we should be very careful
not to mix these two modes in
Did you write an article about this too? Let's get all the goodies.
- Original Message -
From: Edgar Owen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Sex Chi
Jeni Jeni,
Historically there is a long history of discussi
From: Bill Smart
Chi is an illusion anyway, so why not qualify your illusions. After all,
they are part of the real world and thus there are all kinds.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Y
Miami Fla. Have you ever lived here?
- Original Message -
From: Jody W. Ianuzzi
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self
Hi Al,
Yes, we live about 40 miles north of West Pal
Hi Edgar,
Actually, I don't think I'm having a problem at all. Again, I don't deny that
chi exists (or not), it's just not important to me. What is important to me is
when someone says something rude to me today - how will I react? Will I find a
mistake in my pay-packet and keep the extra money?
Al,
Exactly!
IF (and that's a big IF) you realize something is an illusion and
identify it as such, you can qualify it as much as you'd like.
BUT (and that's a bodacious booty) if you're saying something is not
an illusion you shouldn't use qualifiers. For example, you wouldn't
talk about 'm
We've missed your big yellow bunch of insight nanner! I agree, I did
this exercise and thought I felt something, but I sort-of felt like I
was visualizing it happen rather than it actually happening. But then
again, I have not sat for awhile. I do believe it is there though.
Later,
Chri
Good Post Mike!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi Edgar,
> Thanks for the reply and insight. I'm just finding it really hard
to intergrate my understanding and experience of Zen with the
importance some people here are placing on chi. I can appreciate
Bad Post Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> This is exactly the same as my perspective without the due
> respect...Bill!
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown wrote:
> >
> > Hi Edgar,
> > Thanks for the reply and insight. I'm just find
NO. Not unless that orgasm causes you to lose your entire sense of
self in the realization that we are at One with the Universal
Consciousness.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jeni Jeni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Pole dancing is very popular and I think you can really feel your Chi
when
Good Bill. I can always count on you bring back to the path of True
Zen. Although I do believe in this Universal Life Force and the chi
that flows throughout, it is my belief in zen that has gotten me
here. Here! Now! Everything else is just an illusion.
Sorry I have been joking with you la
From: cid830 >NO. Not unless that orgasm causes you to lose your entire
sense of self in the realization that we are at One with the Universal
Consciousness.>
I have felt that way during orgasm, but usually it is the feeling of being
one with the other person. Sometimes it can feel like a union
I think Buddha Nature is a bigger illusion than CHI. I never talk about it at
all, because I do not think that there is Buddha Nature. Buddha was not God, he
was just some fat prince that could afford to sit in a cave for nine years
without starving to death because there was some other unknown
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