Being a modest person is a real blessing in a world religious cheaters ,
manipulators, ambitious and fakes in general. It's not true that a modest
person can't get into the heart of zen because of some pompous gurus . I'm a
person under a very modest income and I'm into zen. The cost of it
Anthony,
I’m sorry my remarks were rational. I’ll try to remedy that next time…Bill!
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Anthony Wu
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my
Ed,
My responses are embedded below:
For an insight into zen, one may better seek answers to a series of
questions such as:
What, if any, is the worldview of zen?
[Bill!] I think most people think of zen as an eclectic subset of Buddhism
which involves a lot of meditation and crazy questions.
Ed,
This 'non-ordinary' state you experienced may or may not be the same as what
is referred to as 'Buddha Nature' in zen.
Buddha Nature has existed forever, or at least as long as sentient beings
have existed. It certainly existed long before Gautama Buddha experienced
it under the Bodhi
Thank you ED for your questions giving all of us the opportunity to reflect
upon them and to Bill the opportunity to write a clear response of his personal
experience in the practice of zen and from which we all get nourishment.
Mayka
--- On Tue, 19/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org
Is it the case that zazen and other zen practices, over a long
period of time, under the guidance of an accredited Zen master, can
alter the neurophysiology of the brain, resulting in the experience of
'enlightenment' or equivalently, the realization of one's 'Buddha
nature'? --ED
Hi ED:
Bill,
Thank you for responding to my questions. I have much respect for and I
greatly value your understandings of zen. I will mull over your
perspectives below.
Thanks again.
--ED
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Ed,
My responses are embedded below:
For an
Hi ED:
--- On Tue, 19/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 15:21
Is it the case that zazen and other zen practises, over a long
The very heart of zen cannot be achieved in any other method than our own
hard work. Just like one cannot eat a meal without yourself picking up the
food and putting it into your mouth and chewing and swallowing.
Anyone charging money is at best selling water next to the river, and maybe
selling
Including the work of screening one's Teacher before one accepts him as
one's guide.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@... wrote:
The very heart of zen cannot be achieved in any other method than our
own
hard work. ...
Chris
To know zen, the easiest method is to sit zazen.
You are free to try other methods, of course.
--Chris
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:50 AM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote:
[Anthony:] Zen is illogical, so undefinable.
[Ed:] To an
Chris said: To know zen, the easiest method is to sit zazen.
Chris,
Zazen *is* IT - *and* the following may help:
o One has a zen master as a guide, and has occasional interviews with
him/her in person.
o A significant proportion of the zazen is as a group, and preferably
in a zendo.
o
ED,
Does killing the Buddha resolve the problem of whether you should jump off the
precipice, or turn back to avoid killing your self?
Anthony
--- On Tue, 19/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't
*s* Sound and sensible advice! :)
Kristy
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: Beverly Hills Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 1:11 AM
k.
*bows*
A thriving merger of zen and
Bill,
So, I see you heading for the asylum. Maybe you already had a glimpse of what
it is like. Is it fun? Can I join you there?
Anthony
PS, Seung Sahn says he is a lunatic, The difference is he can control when and
where he gets in and out of the madness, while those at an asylum cannot.
Bill,
A Tantric story describes an 'enlightened' person as killing fish, drinking
wine and having an affair with women. Is that the outcome of your highlighted
statement below?
Anthony
--- On Tue, 19/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org
ED,
You are away from 'just this'. However, your remarks are valuable. Though you
can deny it, your worldview influence your behavior, unless you are a zombie.
Anthony
--- On Wed, 20/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Zen practice?
To:
Anthony,
You often refer to Tantra and prurient pleasures in your posts. Are you trying
to justify your own cravngs, with your belief that you are also a spiritual or
true zen-ist? (And I think you are).
Just curious;) k
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
Ohh, now you've gone too far.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
Internet browsing/groups
Really, just keep sitting and what ever else becomes necessary will be easy
to see.
Indeed Chris.
--- On Tue, 19/10/10, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote:
From: Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Beverly Hills Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 17:33
The very heart of zen cannot be achieved in any
Bill!
Been away from the computer for a while so haven't had chance to respond to a
few posts. If I make it out to Thailand I'd be honoured to catch up with you
and
shoot the breeze. I've bought tickets for Bali and India, but I'm holding back
on the Nepal (Himalayas) and SE Asia leg of the
ED, Bill, Mayka et al,
If I can just jump in here. There is scientific data to suggest that the brain
has a kind of plasticity and so can be neurologically changed according to how
it is used. I think this is should hold a huge interest for those of us
interested in zen/meditation. Learning
Yes, as per Larry King program, about 2-3 weeks ago, a bunch of
scientists did say that our brain can be changed.
Yet even if we accept this discovery, we still need to sit through.
Knowing any of this does not help us with any short cut.
Words are forms. Words are in a domain separate
JMJM,
Just like to state that I didn't get that info from the Larry King programme!
You're right about the need to still sit through, however to know that we are
somehow changing our brain/thoughts for the positive in a concrete,
physiological way frees us from a lot of the esoteric and
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fish. Are the sage's actions moral or immoral?
…Bill!
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Hi Mike,
No offense - category is a construct of our mind.
When we practiced enough, chi and spirit will be experienced and of
course not to be understood or discussed.
:-)
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org
On 10/19/2010 5:59
Eat your heart out, Anthony! ;-) --ED
Drukpa Kunley Drukpa Kunley, popularly known as the Bhutan's Divine
Madman, was known for his crazy wisdom. Lama Drukpa Kunley is one of
the strangest religious and historical characters in the exotic land of
Bhutan. One of the great religious teachers
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
JMJM, You're right about the need to still sit through,
Yes, this quietude and stillnes of mind and body over long sittings and
over an extended period of elapsed time are the principle factors in
transforming the brain from
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