Hello Bill,
As long as we dedicate ourselves, which you already do, to this path,
soon or later, this life or next, we will liberate ourselves from
suffering. That's what is expected from Buddha.
:-)
JM
On 5/22/2013 6:25 PM, Bill! wrote:
JMJM,
Thanks for your reply.
When you joined
WOH!...merle
Joe,
I seem to have been misinformed on Da Liu's death date. Thanks for the
correction.
OK, I lived at 412 Cathedral Pkwy just down the street from you. I was working
for the NY Fed during that period but moved to NJ around 1979 to work for ATT.
I maintained my apartment
Bill!,
Thanks for the heads up, but to be honest I've become completely bored of this
whole Christianity thing. I've learnt enough during this past week not to knock
it, but it is just superfluous to my journey at this moment. I do now, however,
feel better equipped to be able to engage in a
mike ... learn to speed read!..merle
Bill!,
Thanks for the heads up, but to be honest I've become completely bored of this
whole Christianity thing. I've learnt enough during this past week not to knock
it, but it is just superfluous to my journey at this moment. I do now, however,
feel
Merle,
I'm a zennist when it suits me, so that bit about outside the scriptures
applies today : )
Mike
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Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012, 12:53
Subject: Re: [Zen
Hi Joe, Here is the link..
http://heartchan.org/en/home/item/66-heart-to-heart-transmission.html
Let me know if you have any other questions. Thank you for the
opportunity to share. JM
On 8/7/2012 8:03 AM, Joe wrote:
JM,
I've participated in transmission ceremonies, where teachers
Mike,
The pigs die, but the demons survive and move to other sentient beings. What
then?
Anthony
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
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Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012, 0:37
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan
, 7 August 2012, 12:53
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
mike ... learn to speed read!..merle
Bill!,
Thanks for the heads up, but to be honest I've become completely bored of this
whole Christianity thing. I've learnt enough during this past week not to knock
it, but it is just
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Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012, 23:17
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
bored? huh? with christianity?..merle
Merle,
I'm a zennist when it suits me, so that bit about outside the scriptures
applies today : )
Mike
From: Merle Lester merlewiit
: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012, 23:17
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
bored? huh? with christianity?..merle
Merle,
I'm a zennist when it suits me, so that bit about outside the scriptures
Hi Joe,
This personal witness is written by Mark Troxell, not me.
Thank you for your interest.
jm
On 8/7/2012 10:55 AM, Joe wrote:
JM,
Wonderful! Yes, and I had read this write-up before. Well done!
I suspect that the transmission may have taken place on a long
meditation practice
Bill!,
I honestly see your point, and happy you obviously read my post past just the
bored with Christianity line. I can see that to argue terminology with
someone who follows Jesus's teaching (the Old Testament is just sick) is to
throw the proverbial (!) baby out with the bath water. To
On 8/7/2012 9:30 PM, mike brown wrote:
To segue Zen/zen in with his teachings seems a more constructive thing
to do than just outright negate (thanks for that one, Kris).
A loosely related side note: I have had some rather interesting
conversations with Jehovah' Witnesses. They seem to think
: William Rintala brint...@bellsouth.net
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
The flood may actually have happened. Several of the cultures around the
Mediteranean talk of it. Think Gilgamesh and the disappearance of Atlantis
Bill and Bill!,
I hear this claim that Jesus came to change the Old Testament all the time.
Doesn't seem to ring true at all.
Below are Jesus' quotes from the New Testament:
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away,
not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is
.
I hope I am learning the right thing.
Anthony
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
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Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012, 17:37
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Bill and Bill!,
I hear
.
Mike
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Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012, 15:11
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Mike,
I am not knowledgable on Jesus, only knowing his word that his blood
, 2012 2:57:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
If one will get into this, it may be best to take up basic archaeology at the
very least. It's practically impossible to form logical opinions or conclusions
without the ability to read scientific data, and I'm the first to confess
…and do it!
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 6, 2012 4:41:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Bill and Bill!,
I hear this claim that Jesus came to change the Old
or is it all just subjective?
Mike
From: William Rintala brint...@bellsouth.net
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012, 19:01
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Mike:
As I say in response to another post No One who wrote anything
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
If one will get into this, it may be best to take up basic archaeology
at the very least. It's practically impossible to form logical
opinions or conclusions without the ability to read scientific data,
and I'm the first to confess to such lacking
Mel
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Sent: Mon, August 6, 2012 1:21:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Bill,
Going by that description, sounds like it doesn't have much going for it either
as a record of historical accuracy or the word of god. Does the Bible, to you,
have a relevancy
Much of Buddhism was chanted by Hindus and others for centuries,
becoming a distinct set of teachings, then written down as traditions
changed/cultures intermixed, then translated many times, exported,
re-translated/re-imagined By Bon Mystics and Taoists and Shintoists and
Jews and
Yes, Joe. Very true and most essential. It is a heart to heart
transmission any of us can feel. It is not a ceremony of stamps. If
anyone is interested, I can post the link of someone who received such
transmission... jm
On 8/6/2012 5:15 PM, Joe wrote:
Kris, and other Readers,
In Zen,
Joe,
Brings back a lot of memories. When were you there? I spent most of the 70's
living right across the street. Sure I remember the Hungarian Pastry Shop and
my wife (now long ex) took Tai Chi from Da Liu. In fact she met her next
husband in his class! Hope that wasn't you! :- ) In fact I
Joe,
I seem to have been misinformed on Da Liu's death date. Thanks for the
correction.
OK, I lived at 412 Cathedral Pkwy just down the street from you. I was working
for the NY Fed during that period but moved to NJ around 1979 to work for ATT.
I maintained my apartment #42 which was a
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Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 8:56
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
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 look at life through the eyes of a young child... fresh, always
...@kgrey.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 4:46
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
On 8/4/2012 6:48 AM, mike brown wrote:
...what tends to happen when a person in an established religion
experiences them, is that they overlay them with the religious beliefs
...@kgrey.com
*To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, 5 August 2012, 4:46
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
On 8/4/2012 6:48 AM, mike brown wrote:
...what tends to happen when a person in an established religion
experiences them, is that they overlay them with the religious beliefs
Kris,
Well, you're nothing if not predictable.
Mike
From: Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 16:23
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
So it seems. An assumed view only. A way of relating
? Pray, do
tell.
Mike
From: Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 16:23
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
So it seems. An assumed view only. A way of relating/retelling. Your telling,
using borrowed
: Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 16:23
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
So it seems. An assumed view only. A way of relating/retelling. Your telling,
using borrowed words and ideas.
Others do not different, yet you focus on apparent
: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
So it seems. An assumed view only. A way of relating/retelling. Your
telling, using borrowed words and ideas.
Others do not different, yet you focus on apparent differences. Do you
also call this focus mindfulness?
KG
On 8/5/2012 10:25 AM, mike brown wrote:
Kris
, 17:48
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
For better or worse, same invented problem assuming different
form.
Seek no better koan than this.
KG
On 8/5/2012 12:09 PM, mike brown wrote:
Kris,
Would it have helped you understand better if I had italicised the words
'might
uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
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Sent: Fri, August 3, 2012 8:16:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Bill!,
That's an interesting idea. It sounds like something Joesph Campbell would say.
Maybe our splitting from God represents the beginning
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Sent: Fri, August 3, 2012 8:45:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Bill!,
Then that doesn't make the Bible any truer, or better, than reflecting on a
book
on Aesop's Fables (Aesop's Fables seems a damn sight better source for morals
than the Bible tho).
Mike
: Sat, August 4, 2012 11:33:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Kris,
I guess my not believing in Mother Goose puts us on a different level of
understanding, too. How about aliens and crop circles? Scientology anyone?
Mike
From: Kristopher Grey k
Rintala brint...@bellsouth.net
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 21:04
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Mike:
Then that doesn't make the Bible any truer, or better, than reflecting on a
book on Aesop's Fables (Aesop's Fables seems a damn sight better source
it!
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 5, 2012 3:34:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Bill,
I guess there are. My favourite is Mathew 6: 28. However, that's called
'cherry-picking'. I could equally
, 21:25
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Actually there is much to be mined from Fairy/folk tales be they Mother Goose,
Grimm's or otherwise.
Bill
Find what makes your heart sing…and do it!
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Zen_Forum
And that for me is the problem with revealed truth, especially in relation to
morals.
Mike
From: William Rintala brint...@bellsouth.net
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 21:39
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
And cherry
*From:* Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com
*To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, 5 August 2012, 17:48
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
For better or worse, same invented problem assuming different form.
Seek no better koan than this.
KG
On 8/5/2012 12
and the supramundane states such as mystical experiences.
Mike
From: Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 22:45
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
You're the only one talking about that.
KG
On 8/5
: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Bill,
That directly contradicts your previous post regarding Aesop's Fables. I agree
with you tho that there are many sources of wisdom available.
Mike
From: William Rintala brint...@bellsouth.net
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent
: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Mike:
Then that doesn't make the Bible any truer, or better, than reflecting on a
book on Aesop's Fables (Aesop's Fables seems a damn sight better source for
morals than the Bible tho).
That I couldn't disagree with more. There are many biblical quotes
: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 21:04
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Â
Mike:
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Then that doesn't make the Bible any truer, or better, than reflecting on a
book on Aesop's Fables (Aesop's Fables seems a damn sight better source for
morals than the Bible tho).
Â
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...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2012, 5:07
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
you sound like you hate christians..why?..had a bad experience?..merle
Bill!,
Then that doesn't make the Bible any truer, or better, than
From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2012 9:01 AM
Subject: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Mike,
I believe the story in the Bible of the 'Garden of Eden' is a mythologized
description of what mankind's life
From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2012 9:49 AM
Subject: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Mike,
I use all the tools in my tool bag, not just one.
Aesop's Fables is one of the books I have and read often.
the tabby next door.
Mike
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mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 8:56
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
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 look at life through
On 8/3/2012 9:16 PM, mike brown wrote:
Still doesn't make the stories true tho.
Yes, if you are bound to that level of understanding.
KG
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups
, 17:19
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
On 8/3/2012 9:16 PM, mike brown wrote:
Still doesn't make the stories true tho.
Yes, if you are bound to that level of understanding.
KG
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Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 8:56
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Â
 look at life through the eyes of a young child...
fresh, always alert and forever curious..merle
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Chris,
So I guess my question is that having
god forbid...thatcher was a ripe bastard...she was no love they neighbour
woman..a bitch!..merle
Bill!,
Then that doesn't make the Bible any truer, or better, than reflecting on a
book on Aesop's Fables (Aesop's Fables seems a damn sight better source for
morals than the Bible tho).
Mike
2012, 5:07
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
you sound like you hate christians..why?..had a bad experience?..merle
Bill!,
Then that doesn't make the Bible any truer, or better, than reflecting on a
book on Aesop's Fables (Aesop's Fables seems a damn sight better source for
morals
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 1:21
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
mike.
.the teacher comes out in me jainism... yes have studied that...you are on
a spiritual journey mike..sometimes the sea can be choppy sometimes calm.
..isn't it fun
Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 1:21
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
mike.
.the teacher comes out in me jainism... yes have studied that...you are on
a spiritual journey mike..sometimes the sea can
From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 1:21
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
mike.
.the teacher comes out in me jainism... yes have studied that...you are on
a spiritual journey mike..sometimes
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
god forbid...thatcher was a ripe bastard...she was no love they neighbour
woman
On 8/4/2012 6:48 AM, mike brown wrote:
...what tends to happen when a person in an established religion
experiences them, is that they overlay them with the religious beliefs
and iconsnthey happen to be following.
Whether you consider yourself so established or not, you do this
and crop circles? Scientology
anyone?
Mike
*From:* Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com
*To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, 4 August 2012, 17:19
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
On 8/3/2012 9:16 PM, mike brown wrote
Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 1:37
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
indeed..so simple eh?..merle
Merle,
when you kneel on your prayer mat is it just you and you alone that is there?
are are you perhaps in union with the creative force of life?.
There's just
be like. I would've been less
surprised to come across the Cheshire Cat than I would if I'd come across the
tabby next door.
Mike
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Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 8:56
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan
Right or wrong, so you are.
KG
On 8/3/2012 2:12 AM, mike brown wrote:
Kris?
I'm strongly beginning to suspect that you are, in fact, Yoda. Am I right?
Bill!
A response could vary from encouraging further sharing and descriptions of his
experience - to a slap on the face.
It would certainly be the teachers last worldly experience..
Mike
From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Kris,
Right or wrong, so you are.
Happy to be correct, I am.
Mike
From: Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 19:22
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Right or wrong, so you are.
KG
On 8/3/2012
@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 8:19
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Anthony,
Yes, I'm beginning to see that early Buddhism and Zen Buddhism are more
different that I first realised. Early Buddhism seems to provide a clear
technique/path which involves more than just
a line of t-shirts proclaiming my
Greatness along with a calendar of my sayings.
Mike
From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 22:38
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Mike
Hey, no killing is allowed on this forum.
Anthony
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2012, 5:09
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Bill!
A response could vary from
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Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2012, 5:58
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Anthony,
You will have trouble finding a good forest in Thailand for meditation,
because a large part of it is gone for industrialisation, the other part is
occupied by Bill for his busy farm.
Haha! That made my
2012, 23:04
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Mike,
I order your T-shirt in advance, and will write it into my will that it should
be auctioned after my death for a reserve price of one billion dollars.
Anthony
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Just as well no one can reach thru the screen monitor and slap me then...
Mike
From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 22:58
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Hey
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Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 8:56
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
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forever curious..merle
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Chris,
So I guess my question
than I would
if I'd come across the tabby next door.
Mike
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Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 8:56
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
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Chris,
So I guess my question is that having now had a great deal more chance
to see from the non-dual perspective, do
: Merle Lester merlewiitpom@To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 8:56
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
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 look at life through the eyes of a young child... fresh, always
alert and forever
Kris,
Conventional truth
Ultimate truth aren't the same.
Please read carefully.
Mike
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2012, 2:10
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
On 8/1/2012 4:19 PM, mike
@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2012, 2:46
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Thank you for sharing that Mike.
KG
On 7/31/2012 7:33 PM, mike brown wrote:
Joe,
Oh yes, talk about the 'moonlight' of Wisdom and the crystal-like purity of
objects is no artistic licence
Bill,
You and the machine are two or 'one'?
Anthony
From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2012, 17:05
Subject: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Anthony,
EXCELLENT QUESTION! (an interesting one for
or heart?
Mike
From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2012, 9:58
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Mike,
Do you think your 'mystic experience' is more important
Knowledge is not wisdom, yet both are of same mind.
Picking and choosing among such aspects of mind, cannot lift you out of
the trap of mind picking and choosing.
KG
On 8/2/2012 4:57 AM, mike brown wrote:
Kris,
Conventional truth
Ultimate truth aren't the same.
Please read carefully.
brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2012, 17:27
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Anthony,
Don't get me wrong, I love the insights and wisdom of the awakened Zen masters,
but I now choose to follow the Vipassana path
August 2012, 0:23
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
Mike,
As D.T.Suzuki says, all living things develop, including Buddhism. So what
Sakyamuni started developed all the way to Zen, which labels some old ways
'makyo' (devilish realm). That does not mean the old things are bad. For the
same
On 8/2/2012 4:56 PM, mike brown wrote:
Kris,
But this is exactly what you do.
This is only how it appears, as we cannot present it any other way.
Anything I say, can only appear likewise. That does not make it so.
When you do not see this, you say this is that. When you see this, you
own skin. Oh well.
Bill (not Bill!)
Find what makes your heart sing…and do it!
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 2, 2012 12:40:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
ED
This thread has been very interesting, but I have a question for Mike. I
am honored that you shared your experience with us, and I hope I can
address a question without antagonizing you - it's a real question I have,
and I am perfectly willing to hear any honest answer.
As far as I can tell,
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
This thread has been very interesting, but I have a question for Mike. I am
honored that you shared your experience with us, and I hope I can address a
question without antagonizing you - it's a real question I
Joe,
Must admit that I haven't done much formal Zen practice for a long time. The
last time in Australia was with Ian Sweetman Sensei (Ross B was in Hawaii) and
somewhat occasionally in Sanshoji temple in Nara and even more infrequently in
various temples around Kyoto. I began participating in
ED,
I don't have a Zen teacher because I know what the answer would be. He or she
might not necessarily be wrong, but the answer wouldn't be right for me.
Mike
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Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2012,
ED,
To be honest ED, I don't talk about such things in Zen circles because
explaining such experiences are not part of their lexicon. For example, in
Vipassana such experiences are seen as reaching the high degrees of
concentration, and one-pointedness of mind, that are necessary for insight
ED,
As I pointed out in a previous post, Buddha sorted his own problem out and now
so do we. The only thing I would argue with Bill! is that the Buddha's
self-realisation came out of being in samadhi and the jhanic mind state. This
is the path he then taught. If these antecedents are not
ED,
Well, for a start, insight is evolutionary and is a many-faceted understanding
into the nature of our experience . What I discovered yesterday is built on
today. I guess the main insights I have discovered since I started Vipassana
are that it is not in the nature of consciousness to
On 7/31/2012 12:30 PM, Joe wrote:
Kris,
I just wonder what part of the enthusiasm for sharing you may be missing.
Another assumption based in perceived lack? I appreciate your apparent
concern, and good intentions*. If you do not see the pointer this
offers, I am simply suggesting you
On 7/31/2012 3:48 PM, Joe wrote:
Hindu to Christian: How many TIMES have you been born again?
A timeless infinity presents...
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Thank you for sharing that Mike.
KG
On 7/31/2012 7:33 PM, mike brown wrote:
Joe,
Oh yes, talk about the 'moonlight' of Wisdom and the crystal-like
purity of objects is no artistic licence. I've taken the liberty of
posting below an account of a mystical experience I posted on another
forum
On 8/1/2012 4:55 AM, Bill! wrote:
Mike and Kris,
I don't think it's important to emphasize 'what the Buddha taught'.
That's just second-hand knowledge. I think it is preferable to
experience what Buddha experienced. That's first-hand.
...Bill!
Such is the nature of expression, and
, 2012 11:17:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
ED,
It is what it is and doesn't matter what name we give it. We all walk our own
path to the place we were always at (It's the old adage that sometimes you need
to go on a journey before realising that a journey is not necessary). I think
: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen
One teacher that I had said that Americans have a Smörgåsbord mentality that
you
must get beyond. We all think I'll try a little of this, maybe a little of
that or maybe some of this other thing. He said that you must choose. It is
fun to wander around
On 8/1/2012 6:21 AM, mike brown wrote:
So you can see I'm kind of eclectic in my practice (Very much like
Alan Watts as I also enjoy the teachings, but to a lesser extent, of
Advaita Vedanta, Taoism and Dzogchen). As far as Zen is concerned, I
agree with Joko Beck when she says that she
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