At 12:58 AM 7/13/03 -0500, Stacy Smith wrote:
It says "after all we can do," not "after all we do." That's not to say
we don't repent and repent often. I'll give you a scenario. Suppose
someone commits sin no. 760 of the day but it is a tiny thing and he
hardly notices. It is certainly nothi
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> Luke 18:13.
>
> Again, does God work off a checklist, or does He desire "a broken heart
and
> a contrite spirit"?
At 08:21 PM 8/11/03 -0400, Jon Spencer wrote:
He works off of a checklist.
__x_ Broken heart
__x_ Contrite Spirit
__x_ Ordinances completed
Not a m
He works off of a checklist.
Broken heart
Contrite Spirit
Ordinances completed
Not a member of silly email lists
Jon
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> Luke 18:13.
>
> Again, does God work off a checklist, or does He desire "a broken heart
and
> a contrite spirit"?
//
Why should those who follow God in this age or era expect a test which is
different from that faced by people who follow God in any other age or era,
if that is what you are saying? Most people do not have an opportunity to
do great and special things for which their names will go down in histo
At 06:48 AM 7/17/03 -0700, Bill Johnson wrote:
I don't think one will know for sure that their election has been made
sure until one has died. As long as we live and breathe, we are sinning. A
scripture that says something to the effect of: "All has sinned and has
come short of the glory of God"
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> At 04:04 PM 7/13/03 -0600, George Cobabe wrote:
> >I am not sure that any personal story I could come up with would be o
At 04:04 PM 7/13/03 -0600, George Cobabe wrote:
I am not sure that any personal story I could come up with would be of any
interest to any of you, and of course would not be any of your concerns.
However, I am personally convinced that the test will consist of what ever
it takes to try you to the c
Yes Paul, much better.
I agree He is strict. It is that whole "demands of justice" thing,
though, not just because he wants to be. He could have been much less
strict and let us stay eternally with Him in our pre-mortal state, but
we wanted so too be like Him, and this life (and the consequent
On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:10:36 -0400 Scott McGee
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> Paul Osborne wrote:
>
> >< does
> >not
> >seem like a loving Father at all. I think that this life is a
> wonderful
> >experience and every challenge only adds to the fun. And the
> small
> >challenges are only there
John W. Redelfs wrote:
My list would be much shorter:
1. A testimony that there is a God.
2. A testimony that his Son is Jesus Christ.
3. A testimony that Joseph Smith was a true prophet.
4. A testimony that the current leadership are prophets including the
Church President, the Stake Presid
Paul Osborne wrote:
<>
I don't agree with you George. Life can be a nightmare. Father in Heaven
is loving but he also very mean.
Paul, that has to be one of the worst things I have ever heard you say.
Our Father in Heaven is NOT mean. No more than a loving earthly parent
who has to follow thr
I hear there is a specific ceremony to do just that for those who meet all
qualifications.
Stacy.
At 06:48 AM 07/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
I don't think one will know for sure that their election has been made
sure until one has died. As long as we live and breathe, we are sinning. A
scriptur
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> I don't think one will know for sure that their election has been made
sure until one has died. As long as we live and b
I don't think one will know for sure that their election has been made sure until one
has died. As long as we live and breathe, we are sinning. A scripture that says
something to the effect of: "All has sinned and has come short of the glory of God" is
very true.
It comes down to the thought
I don't buy that completely as that could be the test of any age or era.
Stacy.
At 06:28 AM 07/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:
At 07:16 AM 7/17/03 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank wrote:
At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote:
What would such a test consist of? Physical
endurance? Brainwashing? Tortu
At 09:22 PM 7/13/2003 -0800, BLT wrote:
Still, the only thing that keeps me going is the fact that it won't last
forever. Death will bring some relief when it finally comes. All I have
to do is endure to the end.
Relief from what, John?Us We're here to take care of
eachother. I w
At 07:16 AM 7/17/03 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank wrote:
At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote:
What would such a test consist of? Physical
endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as
integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories?
I wonder if for many
At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote:
What would such a test consist of? Physical
endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as
integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories?
Till suspects that those what has them would rather not tell them.
/
At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote:
One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the
idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham
was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as
others that we can lis
At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote:
One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the
idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham
was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as
others that we can lis
At 07:52 AM 7/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Paul Osborne wrote to our BLT:
I'm a bigger jerk than you and that's pretty bad! ;-)
Grampa Bill comments:
But Till lives in a deeper (and more humble) hole than either of you.
Yes, yes, and his floor is so covered wit
I can testify that being blind is the pits for me. I know there are some
people who manage to deal very well with it and people tell me I appear to
be a very good sport about it but when it comes right down to it I don't
want to stay this way.
Stacy.
At 09:22 PM 07/13/2003 -0800, you wrote:
George Cobabe favored us with:
Well I did not go through Boot Camp, but rather OCS. But it was not a
nightmare and certainly was not representative of life in general. It was
challenging and not a lot of fun, but it was manageable.
I guess you were one of those "put together" recruits that didn
, not Circumstances" is one of the keys to a happy life.
George
- Original Message -
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...
George Cobabe favored us with:
I am sorry that your life is so terrible that you need to disagree.
I have noticed that when the burden is great and is heavy to bear it is a
result of sin and of ignoring the promise of the Savior: My burden is
light.
Challenges? Yes, but manageable and to be celeb
PM
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> < not
> seem like a loving Father at all. I think that this life is a wonderful
> experience and every challenge only adds to the fun. And the small
> challenges are only there to prepare us for t
eorge
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From: "Stacy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...
> What would such a test consist of? Physical
> endurance
<>
I don't agree with you George. Life can be a nightmare. Father in Heaven
is loving but he also very mean.
Paul O
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e fun. And the small
challenges are only there to prepare us for the big one.
George
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From: "Stacy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made
What would such a test consist of? Physical
endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as
integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories?
Stacy.
At 11:36 AM 07/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
At 10:03 AM 7/13/03 -0600, George Cobabe wrote:
Come on folks - this
Someone hearing you say that life is a nightmare might ask what it was
before the twentieth century? A lot worse, I suppose.
Stacy.
At 09:30 AM 07/13/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Stacy Smith favored us with:
It says "after all we can do," not "after all we do." That's not to say
we don't repent an
Stacy Smith favored us with:
It says "after all we can do," not "after all we do." That's not to say
we don't repent and repent often. I'll give you a scenario. Suppose
someone commits sin no. 760 of the day but it is a tiny thing and he
hardly notices. It is certainly nothing to go to the b
At 10:03 AM 7/13/03 -0600, George Cobabe wrote:
Come on folks - this is an easy list. You can do all of this and still have
time left over for all the rest you might want to do.
Your exaltation depends more upon your acceptance of the atonement, which no
one has mentioned so far, than ANYTHING els
July 12, 2003 3:40 PM
Subject: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact
that Most Peop
> I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have
one's
> calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself,
> would never
Concerning 2 Nephi 25:23 . . .
At 12:58 AM 7/13/03 -0500, Stacy Smith wrote:
It says "after all we can do," not "after all we do."
Exactly. No matter how much we do, we can never do enough to save
ourselves. We are all dependent upon God's grace, even after doing
everything we can possibly d
Paul Osborne wrote to our BLT:
I'm a bigger jerk than you and that's pretty bad! ;-)
Grampa Bill comments:
But Till lives in a deeper (and more humble) hole than either of you.
Love y'all,
Grampa Bill in Savannah
/
It says "after all we can do," not "after all we do." That's not to say we
don't repent and repent often. I'll give you a scenario. Suppose someone
commits sin no. 760 of the day but it is a tiny thing and he hardly
notices. It is certainly nothing to go to the bishop about, at least
that's
At 04:40 PM 7/12/03 -0500, Stacy Smith wrote:
I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have
one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including
myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take?
1.
2.
3.
...
At 04:41 PM 7
bject: RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made
> Sure and the Fact that Mos
>
>
> All right. Let's get practical. If one hasn't the temple
> marriage one
> wants I suppose it's fruitless to even try for anything like
> this. But if
> one were to eve
I think you're right probably. In the long run the work for the dead for a
nonmember doesn't count for much because it's always guesswork whether
anything ever happens in the spirit world.
Stacy.
At 12:08 AM 07/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Stacy Smith:
All right. Let's get practical. If one h
Stacy Smith:
All right. Let's get practical. If one hasn't the temple
marriage one wants I suppose it's fruitless to even try for
anything like this.
Larry Jackson:
I believe it would take a successful temple marriage.
Stacy:
But if one were to eventually get that and everything else
bein
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:41:16 -0800 "John W. Redelfs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 7. Attention to all family duties such as regular family prayer,
> Family
> Home Evening, food storage, genealogy and scripture study, etc.
> 8. True charity towards ones fellow man including generous Fast
> Offering
ject: RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made
> Sure and the Fact that Mos
>
>
> All right. Let's get practical. If one hasn't the temple
> marriage one
> wants I suppose it's fruitless to even try for anything like
> this. But if
>
amin talks about this in his last sermon also.
>
>What think ye?
>NB
>-Original Message-
>From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:40 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the
&g
he same thing.
Noel
-Original Message-
From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 7:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the
Fact that Most
Isn't that what we seek when we take the Sacrament?
S
Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:40 PM
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Subject: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact
that Most Peop
I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have
one's
calling and election made sure, but
ly on the "strait and narrow path which leads to
eternal life"
King Benjamin talks about this in his last sermon also.
What think ye?
NB
-Original Message-
From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ZION] Havin
I can't say I've met all your list either. If I can't say I've met all
mine or all yours it looks like Jesus may have pity on me or I won't make
it either.
Stacy.
At 04:41 PM 07/12/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Stacy Smith favored us with:
I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to d
Stacy Smith favored us with:
I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have
one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including
myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take?
My list would be much shorter:
1. A testimony that th
I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's
calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself,
would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take?
1. A testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.
2. Belief and acceptanc
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