Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure...

2003-08-14 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 12:58 AM 7/13/03 -0500, Stacy Smith wrote: It says "after all we can do," not "after all we do." That's not to say we don't repent and repent often. I'll give you a scenario. Suppose someone commits sin no. 760 of the day but it is a tiny thing and he hardly notices. It is certainly nothi

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure...

2003-08-14 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > Luke 18:13. > > Again, does God work off a checklist, or does He desire "a broken heart and > a contrite spirit"? At 08:21 PM 8/11/03 -0400, Jon Spencer wrote: He works off of a checklist. __x_ Broken heart __x_ Contrite Spirit __x_ Ordinances completed Not a m

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure...

2003-08-14 Thread Jon Spencer
He works off of a checklist. Broken heart Contrite Spirit Ordinances completed Not a member of silly email lists Jon Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > Luke 18:13. > > Again, does God work off a checklist, or does He desire "a broken heart and > a contrite spirit"? //

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-08-14 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
Why should those who follow God in this age or era expect a test which is different from that faced by people who follow God in any other age or era, if that is what you are saying? Most people do not have an opportunity to do great and special things for which their names will go down in histo

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-08-11 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 06:48 AM 7/17/03 -0700, Bill Johnson wrote: I don't think one will know for sure that their election has been made sure until one has died. As long as we live and breathe, we are sinning. A scripture that says something to the effect of: "All has sinned and has come short of the glory of God"

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-08-11 Thread George Cobabe
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ... > At 04:04 PM 7/13/03 -0600, George Cobabe wrote: > >I am not sure that any personal story I could come up with would be o

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-08-11 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:04 PM 7/13/03 -0600, George Cobabe wrote: I am not sure that any personal story I could come up with would be of any interest to any of you, and of course would not be any of your concerns. However, I am personally convinced that the test will consist of what ever it takes to try you to the c

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-19 Thread Scott McGee
Yes Paul, much better. I agree He is strict. It is that whole "demands of justice" thing, though, not just because he wants to be. He could have been much less strict and let us stay eternally with Him in our pre-mortal state, but we wanted so too be like Him, and this life (and the consequent

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-19 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:10:36 -0400 Scott McGee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Paul Osborne wrote: > > >< does > >not > >seem like a loving Father at all. I think that this life is a > wonderful > >experience and every challenge only adds to the fun. And the > small > >challenges are only there

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Factthat Most

2003-07-19 Thread Scott McGee
John W. Redelfs wrote: My list would be much shorter: 1. A testimony that there is a God. 2. A testimony that his Son is Jesus Christ. 3. A testimony that Joseph Smith was a true prophet. 4. A testimony that the current leadership are prophets including the Church President, the Stake Presid

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-19 Thread Scott McGee
Paul Osborne wrote: <> I don't agree with you George. Life can be a nightmare. Father in Heaven is loving but he also very mean. Paul, that has to be one of the worst things I have ever heard you say. Our Father in Heaven is NOT mean. No more than a loving earthly parent who has to follow thr

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-17 Thread Stacy Smith
I hear there is a specific ceremony to do just that for those who meet all qualifications. Stacy. At 06:48 AM 07/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: I don't think one will know for sure that their election has been made sure until one has died. As long as we live and breathe, we are sinning. A scriptur

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-17 Thread George Cobabe
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ... > I don't think one will know for sure that their election has been made sure until one has died. As long as we live and b

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-17 Thread Bill Johnson
I don't think one will know for sure that their election has been made sure until one has died. As long as we live and breathe, we are sinning. A scripture that says something to the effect of: "All has sinned and has come short of the glory of God" is very true. It comes down to the thought

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-17 Thread Stacy Smith
I don't buy that completely as that could be the test of any age or era. Stacy. At 06:28 AM 07/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: At 07:16 AM 7/17/03 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote: What would such a test consist of? Physical endurance? Brainwashing? Tortu

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:22 PM 7/13/2003 -0800, BLT wrote: Still, the only thing that keeps me going is the fact that it won't last forever. Death will bring some relief when it finally comes. All I have to do is endure to the end. Relief from what, John?Us We're here to take care of eachother. I w

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-17 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 07:16 AM 7/17/03 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote: What would such a test consist of? Physical endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories? I wonder if for many

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote: What would such a test consist of? Physical endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories? Till suspects that those what has them would rather not tell them. /

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote: One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as others that we can lis

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote: One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as others that we can lis

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:52 AM 7/13/2003 -0400, you wrote: Paul Osborne wrote to our BLT: I'm a bigger jerk than you and that's pretty bad! ;-) Grampa Bill comments: But Till lives in a deeper (and more humble) hole than either of you. Yes, yes, and his floor is so covered wit

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-13 Thread Stacy Smith
I can testify that being blind is the pits for me. I know there are some people who manage to deal very well with it and people tell me I appear to be a very good sport about it but when it comes right down to it I don't want to stay this way. Stacy. At 09:22 PM 07/13/2003 -0800, you wrote:

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
George Cobabe favored us with: Well I did not go through Boot Camp, but rather OCS. But it was not a nightmare and certainly was not representative of life in general. It was challenging and not a lot of fun, but it was manageable. I guess you were one of those "put together" recruits that didn

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-13 Thread George Cobabe
, not Circumstances" is one of the keys to a happy life. George - Original Message - From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
George Cobabe favored us with: I am sorry that your life is so terrible that you need to disagree. I have noticed that when the burden is great and is heavy to bear it is a result of sin and of ignoring the promise of the Savior: My burden is light. Challenges? Yes, but manageable and to be celeb

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-13 Thread George Cobabe
PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ... > < not > seem like a loving Father at all. I think that this life is a wonderful > experience and every challenge only adds to the fun. And the small > challenges are only there to prepare us for t

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-13 Thread Stacy Smith
eorge - Original Message - From: "Stacy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ... > What would such a test consist of? Physical > endurance

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-13 Thread Paul Osborne
<> I don't agree with you George. Life can be a nightmare. Father in Heaven is loving but he also very mean. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FAS

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-13 Thread George Cobabe
e fun. And the small challenges are only there to prepare us for the big one. George - Original Message - From: "Stacy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-13 Thread Stacy Smith
What would such a test consist of? Physical endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories? Stacy. At 11:36 AM 07/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: At 10:03 AM 7/13/03 -0600, George Cobabe wrote: Come on folks - this

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure...

2003-07-13 Thread Stacy Smith
Someone hearing you say that life is a nightmare might ask what it was before the twentieth century? A lot worse, I suppose. Stacy. At 09:30 AM 07/13/2003 -0800, you wrote: Stacy Smith favored us with: It says "after all we can do," not "after all we do." That's not to say we don't repent an

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure...

2003-07-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stacy Smith favored us with: It says "after all we can do," not "after all we do." That's not to say we don't repent and repent often. I'll give you a scenario. Suppose someone commits sin no. 760 of the day but it is a tiny thing and he hardly notices. It is certainly nothing to go to the b

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-13 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:03 AM 7/13/03 -0600, George Cobabe wrote: Come on folks - this is an easy list. You can do all of this and still have time left over for all the rest you might want to do. Your exaltation depends more upon your acceptance of the atonement, which no one has mentioned so far, than ANYTHING els

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most P

2003-07-13 Thread George Cobabe
July 12, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most Peop > I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's > calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, > would never

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure...

2003-07-13 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
Concerning 2 Nephi 25:23 . . . At 12:58 AM 7/13/03 -0500, Stacy Smith wrote: It says "after all we can do," not "after all we do." Exactly. No matter how much we do, we can never do enough to save ourselves. We are all dependent upon God's grace, even after doing everything we can possibly d

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Factthat Most

2003-07-13 Thread Grampa Bill in Savannah
Paul Osborne wrote to our BLT: I'm a bigger jerk than you and that's pretty bad! ;-) Grampa Bill comments: But Till lives in a deeper (and more humble) hole than either of you. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah /

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure...

2003-07-13 Thread Stacy Smith
It says "after all we can do," not "after all we do." That's not to say we don't repent and repent often. I'll give you a scenario. Suppose someone commits sin no. 760 of the day but it is a tiny thing and he hardly notices. It is certainly nothing to go to the bishop about, at least that's

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure...

2003-07-12 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:40 PM 7/12/03 -0500, Stacy Smith wrote: I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? 1. —— 2. —— 3. —— ... At 04:41 PM 7

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Mo

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
bject: RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made > Sure and the Fact that Mos > > > All right. Let's get practical. If one hasn't the temple > marriage one > wants I suppose it's fruitless to even try for anything like > this. But if > one were to eve

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I think you're right probably. In the long run the work for the dead for a nonmember doesn't count for much because it's always guesswork whether anything ever happens in the spirit world. Stacy. At 12:08 AM 07/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: Stacy Smith: All right. Let's get practical. If one h

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure

2003-07-12 Thread larry . jackson
Stacy Smith: All right. Let's get practical. If one hasn't the temple marriage one wants I suppose it's fruitless to even try for anything like this. Larry Jackson: I believe it would take a successful temple marriage. Stacy: But if one were to eventually get that and everything else bein

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:41:16 -0800 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 7. Attention to all family duties such as regular family prayer, > Family > Home Evening, food storage, genealogy and scripture study, etc. > 8. True charity towards ones fellow man including generous Fast > Offering

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Mos

2003-07-12 Thread Noel B
ject: RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made > Sure and the Fact that Mos > > > All right. Let's get practical. If one hasn't the temple > marriage one > wants I suppose it's fruitless to even try for anything like > this. But if >

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Mos

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
amin talks about this in his last sermon also. > >What think ye? >NB >-Original Message- >From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:40 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the &g

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread Noel B
he same thing. Noel -Original Message- From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 7:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most Isn't that what we seek when we take the Sacrament? S

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most Peop I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most P

2003-07-12 Thread Noel B
ly on the "strait and narrow path which leads to eternal life" King Benjamin talks about this in his last sermon also. What think ye? NB -Original Message- From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Havin

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I can't say I've met all your list either. If I can't say I've met all mine or all yours it looks like Jesus may have pity on me or I won't make it either. Stacy. At 04:41 PM 07/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: Stacy Smith favored us with: I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to d

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stacy Smith favored us with: I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? My list would be much shorter: 1. A testimony that th

[ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most Peop

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? 1. A testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. 2. Belief and acceptanc