[Zope] Re: CSS Best practises

2006-03-24 Thread Tonico Strasser
Tino Wildenhain schrieb: ... flexibility w/o slow and error prone full dynamic stylesheets. Plain text/css files are slow too if you don't cache 'em. Tonico ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No

Re: [Zope] unrestricted pagetemplatefile?

2006-03-24 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
looks like what i've been searching for, thanks to everyone who replied! regards, juergen herrmann On Fri, March 24, 2006 07:29, Andreas Jung wrote: Look at Dieters TrustedExecutables. -aj --On 23. März 2006 19:50:20 +0100 Jürgen Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi! the question

Re: [Zope] Re: CSS Best practises

2006-03-24 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Tonico Strasser schrieb: Tino Wildenhain schrieb: ... flexibility w/o slow and error prone full dynamic stylesheets. Plain text/css files are slow too if you don't cache 'em. But you can, thats the whole point. Regards Tino ___ Zope maillist -

[Zope] Re: CSS Best practises

2006-03-24 Thread Tonico Strasser
Tino Wildenhain schrieb: Tonico Strasser schrieb: Tino Wildenhain schrieb: ... flexibility w/o slow and error prone full dynamic stylesheets. Plain text/css files are slow too if you don't cache 'em. But you can, thats the whole point. You can cache dynamic stylesheets too, why not? :)

[Zope] How do you get custom made portal tabs to highlight

2006-03-24 Thread JulianRead
Hi i have made 3 portal tabs which link to 3 different pages in my site. ( In the same way that in www.plone.org there are the portal tabs home, about, documentation etc. ) I am trying to find out how to highlight these tabs when the user is in that corresponding page or its subpages. Thank

[Zope] verbose-security

2006-03-24 Thread Jeremy Cook
I have tried using the verbose-security option in Zope 2.8.6. I cannot see that it is actually doing anything different from the standard security. I have previously used VerboseSecurity and know what the error log should look like. in my zope.conf security-policy-implementation PYTHON

[Zope] Plone Caching best practice

2006-03-24 Thread JulianRead
Hi does anyone have any views on the best way to cache a plone site for optimal performance? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Plone-Caching-best-practice-t1337509.html#a3574910 Sent from the Zope - General forum at Nabble.com.

Re: [Zope] Screwy permissions problem has me stumped

2006-03-24 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Thursday 23 March 2006 21:24, Andrew Milton wrote: Every TAL call pretty much creates a new security context, which is why it's hitting the DB so often (this is why it's best to turn on caching in XUF even for 5 or 10 seconds if you're using a 'slow' auth mechanism). In the Paramaters tab

Re: [Zope] Plone Caching best practice

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 08:50:35 -0800 JulianRead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi does anyone have any views on the best way to cache a plone site for optimal performance? There are lots of caches involed. Inside the ZODB, Zope, Plone and external caches (proxies)which caches do you mean?

Re: [Zope] Screwy permissions problem has me stumped

2006-03-24 Thread Andrew Milton
+---[ Kirk Strauser ]-- | On Thursday 23 March 2006 21:24, Andrew Milton wrote: | | Every TAL call pretty much creates a new security context, which is why | it's hitting the DB so often (this is why it's best to turn on caching in | XUF even for 5 or 10 seconds if

Re: [Zope] Plone Caching best practice

2006-03-24 Thread David
JulianRead wrote: Hi does anyone have any views on the best way to cache a plone site for optimal performance? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Plone-Caching-best-practice-t1337509.html#a3574910 Sent from the Zope - General forum at Nabble.com. Jullian, Your

Re: [Zope] Plone Caching best practice

2006-03-24 Thread Dieter Maurer
JulianRead wrote at 2006-3-24 08:50 -0800: Hi does anyone have any views on the best way to cache a plone site for optimal performance? Why are you sending Plone related questions to the Zope mailing list (rather than plone-users)? Look at Cache-Fu but high end caching support for Squid and

Re: [Zope] verbose-security

2006-03-24 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jeremy Cook wrote at 2006-3-24 16:45 +0100: I have tried using the verbose-security option in Zope 2.8.6. I cannot see that it is actually doing anything different from the standard security. You probably should reconfigure your error_log object to not disable Unauthorized exceptions and then

Re: [Zope] ZCatalog Strategy

2006-03-24 Thread Dieter Maurer
Mark Gibson wrote at 2006-3-22 19:28 -0700: I'm struggling to weigh the cost of getObject() vs. the cost of adding more metadata to the catalog. I'll explain my situation. I have 10,000 widgets cataloged. I do a path and date query that returns me maybe 12 of these. Then I have a choice of

[Zope] ANNOUNCE: Zope Foundation is incorporated!

2006-03-24 Thread Rob Page
At long last the Zope Foundation is incorporated! Thanks to everyone who has helped get the Foundation to this point!! What's next? o Complete ZF organizational paperwork with Software Freedom Law Center o Migrate Committers from the Zope Corp Committer agreement to the Zope

Re: [Zope] How do you get custom made portal tabs to highlight

2006-03-24 Thread Chris Withers
How about you go ask Plohn questions on a Plohn list? How about you stop using silly forum thingies and stick to the list or gmane? Chris JulianRead wrote: Hi i have made 3 portal tabs which link to 3 different pages in my site. ( In the same way that in www.plone.org there are the portal

Re: [Zope] Zope Debugger lets WingDbg fail to connect toclient

2006-03-24 Thread Chris Withers
sdeibel wrote: I don't think the linecache hack is going to work for Wing because the file is read by the IDE and not within the same process space as Zope is running. While we might eventually make it possible to transfer code over the debug connection for cases like this, it would slow our

Re: [Zope] verbose-security

2006-03-24 Thread Chris Withers
Jeremy Cook wrote: Can anyone tell me if I am doing anything wrong? Well, you're using Plohn for starters 0.5 wink I suspect an unauthorized binding is something that verbose security does not cater too well for. Patches accepted... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python

Re: [Zope] Zope Debugger lets WingDbg fail to connect toclient

2006-03-24 Thread sdeibel
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006, Chris Withers wrote: sdeibel wrote: I don't think the linecache hack is going to work for Wing because the file is read by the IDE and not within the same process space as Zope is running. While we might eventually make it possible to transfer code over the debug

[Zope-dev] Upcoming Zope 2.X releases

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
As announced earlier I plan to release Zope 2.8.7 and 2.9.2 by next Monday...so as always: any pending fixes should be commited until Monday. Andreas pgpnNv3KkZAp4.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

[Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
Zope supports the export of content either through Python pickles (.zexp) or as XML. Unfortunatly the XML export/import has several problems: - the generated XML is pretty much too low-level to use it e.g. for migration issues - it was broken multiple times in the past, it still has problems

Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?

2006-03-24 Thread Nuno Maltez
Hello, Em Sexta, 24 de Março de 2006 15:44, escreveu: I propose to deprecate XML export/import for Zope 2.10 and to remove it in Zope 2.12. We don't loose any functionality since .zexp is working fine. I don't know of any active projects/code that really uses XML export/import. I've exported

XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: Zope supports the export of content either through Python pickles (.zexp) or as XML. Unfortunatly the XML export/import has several problems: - the generated XML is pretty much too low-level to use it e.g. for migration issues I have been working on a Zope 2 project

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:07, Jim Fulton wrote: I think the XML export is a facility that is and should be advertized as a legitimate escape hatch for data kept in Zope. People really shouldn't feel afraid of putting data in Zope/ZODB as there really

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:07, Jim Fulton wrote: I think the XML export is a facility that is and should be advertized as a legitimate escape hatch for data kept in Zope. People really shouldn't feel afraid of putting data in

[Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more clearly document their limitations and pitfalls, rather than get rid of them, at least until we have something better,

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:12, Jim Fulton wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:07, Jim Fulton wrote: I think the XML export is a facility that is and should be advertized as a legitimate

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:12, Jim Fulton wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:07, Jim Fulton wrote: I think the XML export is a facility that is and should be

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:25, Jim Fulton wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more clearly document their

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Dennis Allison
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Jim Fulton wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: I propose to deprecate XML export/import for Zope 2.10 and to remove it in Zope 2.12. We don't loose any functionality since .zexp is working fine. I don't know of any active projects/code that really uses XML export/import.

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 11:07:06 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: Zope supports the export of content either through Python pickles (.zexp) or as XML. Unfortunatly the XML export/import has several problems: - the generated XML is pretty much too low-level to use it

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:30, Jim Fulton wrote: Interesting. I imagine that this is fixible in a somewhat straightforward way, although it is probably tied up with the general encoding mess in Z2. Yes, that's likely where the problem comes from.

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:25, Jim Fulton wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 11:25:53 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. I don't think that ZClasses have real use in the current Zope world except for legacy code. Most people

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: ... Right, but for duplicate functionality that is not widely used and that I consider buggy it is legitimate to propose the deprecation. But as usually I am open to good arguments :-) I don't see this as primarily a duplicate feature. I find the export aspect to be

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 24. März 2006 11:25:53 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. I don't think that ZClasses have real use in the current Zope world except for

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Yoshinori Okuji
On Friday 24 March 2006 17:33, Andreas Jung wrote: - it has no maintainer, nobody wants to touch it without gloves Is that any more true than for lots of other things? Right, but for duplicate functionality that is not widely used and that I consider buggy it is legitimate to propose the

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 11:25:53 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more clearly document their limitations and

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 24. März 2006 11:25:53 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more clearly document their

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 12:03:42 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are lots of people who have good uses for ZClasses for quick one-off projects. I've heard from some of them. There are lots of people who use Zope who don't fit this definition. I care about these people. :)

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 18:09:36 +0100 Yoshinori Okuji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 24 March 2006 17:33, Andreas Jung wrote: - it has no maintainer, nobody wants to touch it without gloves Is that any more true than for lots of other things? Right, but for duplicate functionality that

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Yoshinori Okuji wrote: On Friday 24 March 2006 17:33, Andreas Jung wrote: - it has no maintainer, nobody wants to touch it without gloves Is that any more true than for lots of other things? Right, but for duplicate functionality that is not widely used and that I consider buggy it is

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Fred Drake
On 3/24/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've had sucess writing XSLT templates to transform the pickle data into formats easily parsable for particular applications. As part of a recent task (likely the same one Jim's referring to here!), I transformed the XML export into another XML

[Zope-dev] I agree that ZClasses should stay. I will volunteer

2006-03-24 Thread Christopher Lozinski
I am interested in maintaining them, documenting them, and upgrading them. I have been through the code a number of times, and if someone would spend 15 minutes explaining the high level design decisions, I could probably keep them up to date. Why do they have multiple properties on a

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 24. März 2006 12:03:42 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are lots of people who have good uses for ZClasses for quick one-off projects. I've heard from some of them. There are lots of people who use Zope who don't fit this definition. I care

Re: [Zope-dev] I agree that ZClasses should stay. I will volunteer

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 10:00:46 -0800 Christopher Lozinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested in maintaining them, documenting them, and upgrading them. Cool. I think a good starting point would be to update http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition/CustomZopeObjects.stx I have been

Re: [Zope-dev] I agree that ZClasses should stay. I will volunteer

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Christopher Lozinski wrote: I am interested in maintaining them, documenting them, and upgrading them. Cool. I urge you to do less first. :) I have been through the code a number of times, and if someone would spend 15 minutes explaining the high level design decisions, I could probably

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jim Fulton wrote at 2006-3-24 11:25 -0500: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more clearly document their limitations and pitfalls, rather than get rid of them,

Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?

2006-03-24 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2006-3-24 16:44 +0100: Zope supports the export of content either through Python pickles (.zexp) or as XML. Unfortunatly the XML export/import has several problems: - the generated XML is pretty much too low-level to use it e.g. for migration issues - it was broken

[Zope-dev] Wishlist Item

2006-03-24 Thread jpenny
I don't particularly care one way or the other about ZClasses. However, I would like to see FileSystemSite made part of the base distribution. jim penny ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No

[Zope-dev] Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: snip E.g. on the Plone/Archetypes level we have some mechanisms to export/import data defined through schemas That's a good point. For Archetypes-based apps, this might be the way to go. I think that

Re: [Zope-dev] Wishlist Item

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 16:20:07 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't particularly care one way or the other about ZClasses. However, I would like to see FileSystemSite made part of the base distribution. AFAIK FileSystemSite is something CMF-ish..so it does not belong to the Zope core. -aj

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 21:05:49 +0100 Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Fulton wrote at 2006-3-24 11:25 -0500: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would

Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 21:05:12 +0100 Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I propose to deprecate XML export/import for Zope 2.10 and to remove it in Zope 2.12. What will remain of Zope in the longer run? The good things that work :-) In the past with every major release some

Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated

2006-03-24 Thread Chris Withers
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: On the download page, Zope 2 should be above Zope 3. Really? I thought most people want to push Zope 3. Shouldn't the latest release be listed first? I really don't care on way or the other, just curious. Zope 2 is the more stable, tested release. I don't care