Re: [Zope-dev] zc.recipe.testrunner 1.4.0 no longer supports environment option?

2010-12-13 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 13, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Michael Howitz wrote: Hi, I have a test section in buildout (version 1.5.2) which uses the environment option to get os.environ configs into the test script. But the environment configuration does not show up in the generated script. The recipe I use is

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.recipe.egg bug (tracker)?

2010-08-23 Thread Gary Poster
On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: zc.recipe.egg 1.3.0 fails badly with While: Installing supervisor. Traceback (most recent call last): File /Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.buildout-1.5.0-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py, line 1784, in main getattr(buildout,

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.recipe.egg bug (tracker)?

2010-08-23 Thread Gary Poster
On Aug 23, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Gary Poster wrote: On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: zc.recipe.egg 1.3.0 fails badly with While: Installing supervisor. Traceback (most recent call last): File /Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.buildout-1.5.0-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.recipe.egg bug (tracker)?

2010-08-23 Thread Gary Poster
On Aug 23, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Gary Poster wrote: On Aug 23, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Gary Poster wrote: On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: zc.recipe.egg 1.3.0 fails badly with While: Installing supervisor. Traceback (most recent call last): File /Users/ajung/sandboxes

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.recipe.egg bug (tracker)?

2010-08-23 Thread Gary Poster
On Aug 23, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Poster wrote: 1.3.1 has change and is released. On it's failing in a different way: An internal error occurred due to a bug in either zc.buildout or in a recipe being used

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.recipe.egg bug (tracker)?

2010-08-23 Thread Gary Poster
On Aug 23, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Gary Poster wrote: On Aug 23, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Poster wrote: 1.3.1 has change and is released. On it's failing in a different way: An internal error occurred due to a bug

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.traversing's ILocation behavior

2010-07-08 Thread Gary Poster
On Jul 8, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: I propose the following adjustment: try: container = context.__parent__ except AttributeError: container = ILocation(context).__parent__ +1 Gary ___ Zope-Dev maillist -

Re: [Zope-dev] Circular dependency hell.

2010-04-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lennart Regebro wrote: ... So, with that in mind I today went on to zc.buildout, trying to port it to Python 3 by ripping out any usage of zope.testing. Also, the standard development mode for

Re: [Zope-dev] Launchpad gardening

2010-04-15 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Leonardo Rochael Almeida leoroch...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tres and Sidnei, My questions were intended to go to the list anyway. Can we take a branch from the launchpad mirror and bind it back

Re: [Zope-dev] Launchpad gardening

2010-04-15 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Poster wrote: On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Leonardo Rochael Almeida leoroch...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tres and Sidnei, My

Re: [Zope-dev] Summary of this weeks' meeting (2010-03-30)

2010-03-31 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 31, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, here's this week's summary. For those of you who can't/don't participate in those meetings, there's the open question about how useful you consider my summaries to be. Please tell! I read them and appreciate them. Thank you.

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.testing 3.8.7: downgrade the deprecation warning

2010-01-26 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 26, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Marius Gedminas wrote: I got tired of seeing things like /home/mg/tmp/buildout-eggs/zope.testing-3.8.6-py2.5.egg/zope/testing/testrunner/debug.py:23: DeprecationWarning: zope.testing.doctest is deprecated in favour of the Python standard library doctest

Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?

2010-01-22 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:44, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks, which is why it's so

Re: [Zope-dev] A summary of Interfaces vs ZCA concepts

2009-12-17 Thread Gary Poster
Yeah, I was thinking that too, as a I don't have time to think hard about this little daydream. Actually I believe you would want to subclass InterfaceClass and make your new zope.component.Interface an instance of the new InterfaceClass and specify zope.interface's Interface as something it

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCA summary so far...

2009-12-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Chris McDonough wrote: My $.02 is here: http://www.plope.com/Members/chrism/zca_thoughts_summary I was going to comment on your blog, even though it was separate from the mailing list, but then I couldn't register an account, so here I am. I agree with a decent

Re: [Zope-dev] internal improvements to zope.component Was: ZCA summary so far...

2009-12-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 3, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Gary Poster wrote: [snip] I personally think these efforts do not make the potential consensus on ``adapt`` and ``utility`` methods any less interesting: they would be a concrete win for my users. I agree with much of what Gary

Re: [Zope-dev] internal improvements to zope.component Was: ZCA summary so far...

2009-12-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 3, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Gary Poster wrote: On Dec 3, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Gary Poster wrote: [snip] I personally think these efforts do not make the potential consensus on ``adapt`` and ``utility`` methods any less interesting: they would

Re: [Zope-dev] the ZCA API decision

2009-12-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 3, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Thomas Lotze wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Thomas Lotze, are you happy enough with this to still help with the implementation? I am indeed. This isn't the ideal solution I had hoped for, but it is a big step in a good direction from my point of view and I

Re: [Zope-dev] implementing zope.component 4.0

2009-12-02 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Thomas Lotze t...@gocept.com wrote: To be honest, I just don't see why this whole singleton business shouldn't be orthogonal to the concepts of the component architecture. Well said. If an application cares

Re: [Zope-dev] implementing zope.component 4.0

2009-12-02 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Gary Poster gary.pos...@gmail.com wrote: You are arguing for the unification of utilities and adapters? No. I'm arguing not to conflate utilities with the singleton pattern or adaptation with ownership

[Zope-dev] ZCA summary so far...

2009-12-02 Thread Gary Poster
...from my perspective. = Things vaguely approaching consensus = == General == There's a consensus that changes to the ZCA need to be backwards compatible. The practical definition of that varies for different people. == Syntactic == === Tuple multi-adaptation === Example: IFoo((bar,

[Zope-dev] ZCA proposal

2009-12-02 Thread Gary Poster
I think I could get fully behind the following proposal that others have made (Shane I think was one of several?). IFoo.adapt(...) IFoo.utility(...) = Why? = - This is a significant improvement in terms of being memorable, as far as I'm concerned. It's also briefer, which is related. - It

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCA proposal

2009-12-02 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:09 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Gary Poster wrote: I think I could get fully behind the following proposal that others have made (Shane I think was one of several?). IFoo.adapt(...) IFoo.utility(...) I could get behind this too. We'd need the current IFoo(context

Re: [Zope-dev] summary of discussion was: adapter vs factory Re: implementing zope.component 4.0

2009-12-01 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 1, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Chris McDonough wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: ... I am also in favor of unifying adapter and utility lookup. Or at least creating a more normalized API. I guess it is no surprise that I am in favor of a normalized API but against the unification. On the

Re: [Zope-dev] summary of discussion was: adapter vs factory Re: implementing zope.component 4.0

2009-12-01 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 1, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, I'd like to summarize the options I've seen appear in the discussion so far. We have the following options: 1) introduce a new method, such as instance() or lookup() on instance. It unifies utilities with adapters. We can

Re: [Zope-dev] improving the utility and adapter lookup APIs

2009-11-30 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:05 AM, Brian Sutherland wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:17:41PM +0100, Hanno Schlichting wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: Hmm, I may be missing something here, but if Foo implements IFoo, then the getAdapter lookup for

Re: [Zope-dev] implementing zope.component 4.0

2009-11-30 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 27, 2009, at 6:32 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, Introduction So now that we've had some discussion and to exit the bikeshed phase, Wow. That's abrupt, for something at the root of the entire stack. I don't think long emails are very effective, but I'm not

Re: [Zope-dev] implementing zope.component 4.0

2009-11-30 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Chris McDonough wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Poster wrote: On Nov 27, 2009, at 6:32 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Utility lookups versus adapter lookups -- There was some

Re: [Zope-dev] implementing zope.component 4.0

2009-11-30 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: ...a good general argument, that Chris seemed to agree with and expand upon, and that has some merit to me. What do you think? + 1 with the following caveat: I think that method name should probably be adapt;

Re: [Zope-dev] implementing zope.component 4.0

2009-11-30 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hey, Gary Poster wrote: On Nov 27, 2009, at 6:32 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: ...snipping here and elsewhere without further warning... Utility lookup: IFoo() Named utility lookup: IFoo(name=foo) Utility lookup with a default

Re: [Zope-dev] implementing zope.component 4.0

2009-11-30 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Charlie Clark wrote: Am 30.11.2009, 20:24 Uhr, schrieb Gary Poster gary.pos...@gmail.com: 1) I very much like the idea of some helpers hanging around. However, my current belief is that the factory methods ought to be callable objects that allow

Re: [Zope-dev] implementing zope.component 4.0

2009-11-30 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Zvezdan Petkovic wrote: On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Zvezdan Petkovic wrote: On Nov 30, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Gary Poster wrote: 3) I also think that utility is a bad name. Is singleton two letters too long? Yes and not because singleton is longer. It just

[Zope-dev] adapter vs factory Re: implementing zope.component 4.0

2009-11-30 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 22:40, Gary Poster gary.pos...@gmail.com wrote: Then to the multiadapter concern I raised, all my real-world examples of adapters are to adapt one object so it can be used in a certain way (to integrate

Re: [Zope-dev] improving the utility and adapter lookup APIs

2009-11-25 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 25, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: ... Thoughts? FWIW, this mirrors some of the thoughts I've had, after a lot of discussions with Launchpad/Canonical engineers about the pros and cons of the Zope interface and component code. My OSCON presentation touched on some of these

Re: [Zope-dev] improving the utility and adapter lookup APIs

2009-11-25 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 25, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Thomas Lotze wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Adapter: IFoo(x) [...] Multiadapter: IFoo.multi(x, y) [...] Utility: IFoo.utility() [or possibly IFoo() instead?] What about a simple and consistent API for all components including

Re: [Zope-dev] improving the utility and adapter lookup APIs

2009-11-25 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 25, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Thomas Lotze wrote: Gary Poster wrote: On Nov 25, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Thomas Lotze wrote: What about a simple and consistent API for all components including utilities, adapters and multiadapters: IFoo() IFoo(x) IFoo(x, y) I seem to remember

Re: [Zope-dev] improving the utility and adapter lookup APIs

2009-11-25 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 25, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Chris McDonough wrote: Gary Poster wrote: FWIW, I'm saying that utilities and adapters are different. I share your/Martijn's/other people's general thoughts about merging adapters and multiadapters in the interface __call__ syntax. There might should

Re: [Zope-dev] split out zope.component mechanics into a separate package (was Re: improving the utility and adapter lookup APIs)

2009-11-25 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 25, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: Chris McDonough wrote: If some set of ZCA APIs made it the responsibility of the *caller* to invoke the adapter with arguments would go a long way between normalizing the difference between utilities and adapters (because they would

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.relationship - can't pickle module objects

2009-11-09 Thread Gary Poster
of plone.relations still depends on zc.relationship1.1. Thus this issue persists if one uses the latest plone.relations egg. This has been fixed on in svn, could somebody with permissions create a new egg? Best regards, Patrick On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 16:00, Gary Poster gary.pos

Re: [Zope-dev] A note on the PyCon Program committee.

2009-11-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: Gary Poster wrote: ... It is an advocacy piece only in the sense that we are saying that, by-and-large, we like what the packages give us, but it is more challenging than that. It's an interesting pairing to Jeff Shell's invited

Re: [Zope-dev] A note on the PyCon Program committee.

2009-11-03 Thread Gary Poster
I had a rethinking interfaces talk accepted. It's about the positives and negatives of zope.interface and zope.component, driven primarily from the perspective and experience of the Launchpad team, and myself in particular; and about changes that might be made or differences we are

Re: [Zope-dev] A note on the PyCon Program committee.

2009-11-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 3, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: 2009/11/3 Gary Poster gary.pos...@gmail.com: I had a rethinking interfaces talk accepted. It's about the positives and negatives of zope.interface and zope.component, driven primarily from the perspective and experience of the Launchpad

[Zope-dev] Bazaar 2.0 (was Re: Subversion externals versus mirroring)

2009-10-06 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 14, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Gary Poster wrote: Once Bzr 2.0 comes out (in less than a month AIUI), I'll at least send out a link to it and point out some changes made that specifically address concerns raised by Zope Foundation members when I raised Launchpad's/Canonical's offer before

Re: [Zope-dev] ZTK test failures - zope.testing

2009-09-21 Thread Gary Poster
, Hanno Schlichting wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:53 AM, Gary Poster gary.pos...@gmail.com wrote: The Ubuntu one should be easy to fix. The Windows ones may be tied up with \n \r fun. It should be trivial too, though I'll need to get a Windows VM back up--or request aid from Sidnei

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: Determining packages which are in the ZTK

2009-09-18 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is from a note I sent yesterday to the ZTK steering group (Martijn, Christian, Jim, Stephan), proposing criteria for removing packages from the ZTK. Martijn has already updated the

Re: [Zope-dev] Subversion externals versus mirroring

2009-09-15 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 15, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: In my experience distributed SCMs add bottlenecks to development that we currently do not have in the Zope community: with both our shared svn repository and distributed SCMs everyone can branch everything, but with distributed SCMs

Re: [Zope-dev] Subversion externals versus mirroring

2009-09-15 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 9/15/09 13:56 , Gary Poster wrote: 2) Our current arrangement, as well as many others, can be accomplished with a DVCS. Launchpad + Bzr definitely support this. You would have a Launchpad team of committers, with managed

Re: [Zope-dev] ZTK test failures - zope.testing

2009-09-15 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 15, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Sidnei da Silva wrote: Hi Hanno, On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: We are down to zero-build problems for the ZTK and just one test failure. This is in zope.testing in testrunner-layers-buff.txt. That smells like

Re: [Zope-dev] Problem with zope.sendmail in Python = 2.5.1

2009-09-14 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 3, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: FWIW, we forked zope.sendmail a while back (with the intent of eventually merging these changes back upstream) as repoze.sendmail. It does not use any thread to do queue processing. Instead, a separate process can be run to handle

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.security/trunk/ keep trunk version at 0. Update changes

2009-09-11 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Benji York wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 04:23:31PM -0400, Benji York wrote: 3) [no] superfluous version bumps on the trunk I don't understand this one. Could you elaborate? The

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.security/trunk/ keep trunk version at 0. Update changes

2009-09-11 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hey, Marius Gedminas wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 09:53:51AM -0400, Benji York wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 04:23:31PM -0400, Benji York wrote: 3) [no]

[Zope-dev] where is zc.zservertracelog 1.2.0?

2009-09-11 Thread Gary Poster
Hi. pypi advertises http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.zservertracelog/1.2.0 but there is no download to be found! :-) Could whoever made the release add the download? Thanks Gary ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] where is zc.zservertracelog 1.2.0?

2009-09-11 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 11, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Alexander J Smith wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Alexander J Smith a...@zope.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 03:51:30PM -0400, Gary Poster wrote: Hi. pypi advertises http

[Zope-dev] Problem with zope.sendmail in Python = 2.5.1

2009-09-03 Thread Gary Poster
Hi all. One of the contributors to the Launchpad project has identified a problem with zope.sendmail and thread changes in Python = 2.5.1. Here is his description: Description of the situation: Prior to Python 2.5.1, the atexit handlers were executed when the *main* thread exits.

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.buildout, substitution and templating

2009-08-27 Thread Gary Poster
Shameless plug: try z3c.recipe.filetemplate. http://pypi.python.org/pypi/z3c.recipe.filetemplate . Sounds like it does what you want out of the box. Gary On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Encolpe Degoute wrote: Hello, These last days I was using collective.recipe.template and

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher 3.5 branch has code/behavior not a part of subsequent releases

2009-08-24 Thread Gary Poster
Hm. I sent this from the wrong account, so it didn't make it to the zope-dev list. I'm also adding an additional bit of war story at the end. On Aug 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Gary Poster wrote: Hi Tres I made a 3.5.8 release of the zope.publisher 3.5 branch for a reason unimportant

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher 3.5 branch has code/behavior not a part of subsequent releases

2009-08-24 Thread Gary Poster
On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Poster wrote: Hm. I sent this from the wrong account, so it didn't make it to the zope-dev list. I'm also adding an additional bit of war story at the end. On Aug 24, 2009, at 11:16 AM

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher 3.5 branch has code/behavior not a part of subsequent releases

2009-08-24 Thread Gary Poster
On Aug 24, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi Tres Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher 3.5 branch has code/behavior not a part of subsequent releases [...] If I were not already behind, I would investigate to understand the Python 2.6 problem better and see what other

Re: [Zope-dev] time.sleep in a boolean check in zope.publisher.http.HTTPRequest.supportsRetry?

2009-08-20 Thread Gary Poster
On Aug 20, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Gary Postergary.pos...@gmail.com wrote: Two teams here at Canonical just encountered the STAGGER_RETRIES behavior in http://svn.zope.org/zope.publisher/trunk/src/zope/publisher/http.py?rev=101538view=auto .

[Zope-dev] time.sleep in a boolean check in zope.publisher.http.HTTPRequest.supportsRetry?

2009-08-17 Thread Gary Poster
Two teams here at Canonical just encountered the STAGGER_RETRIES behavior in http://svn.zope.org/zope.publisher/trunk/src/zope/publisher/http.py?rev=101538view=auto . I don't see anything in tests or comments to explain it. Our guess is that it tries to put some breathing room around

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.async: cron replacement?

2009-06-24 Thread Gary Poster
On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Reinout van Rees wrote: Hi all, In messages like http://www.mail-archive.com/zope3-...@zope.org/msg05964.html , zc.async is mentioned as the solution for cron-like functionality in zope. Effectively you would not need zope2's clockserver. Reading

Re: [Zope-dev] tabs in the source

2009-06-22 Thread Gary Poster
On Jun 22, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Adam GROSZER wrote: Hello, Maybe it's time for an svn commit police squad? 22 .py files have tabs... and I grepped only zope.* packages. FWIW, to state the probably obvious, other projects handle this with varying degrees of increased control. Some require

Re: [Zope-dev] [Feature Request] add 'extensions' option to z3c.recipe.sphinxdoc

2009-04-28 Thread Gary Poster
Hi Markus. Stephan Richter and Paul Cardune are the people I would expect to manage this package. I expect they'll get back to you soonish. On freenode #zope3-dev they are srichter and pcardune, IIRC. The feature and the diff look reasonable to me. Normally we want tests in our diffs,

[Zope-dev] zc.buildout template recipes: concerns with [z3c|collective].recipe.template and other issues

2009-04-24 Thread Gary Poster
I'm concerned about the state of the zc.buildout template recipes. I want one. I want some one-off files, specific to a certain project, for which writing a standalone recipe feels very heavy. Here are the template recipes I found: collective.recipe.template (Wichert Akkerman)

Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.

2009-04-15 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: Here are a list of things I have seen that you may mean when you say Zope 3. I'm sure I missed several: 1. Whatever is included in the Zope 3 tgz that you download. 2. All the packages included in the Zope 3 KGS. (Should be the same as

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 6, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Chris Withers wrote: Gary Poster wrote: Sadly, I suspect none of the tools are as advanced as TortoiseSVN. Which is a real shame :-( Perforce maybe? ;-) Fair enough that bzr didn't take your fancy, but FWIW, did you try TortoiseBzr? That has received love

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 2, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Poster wrote: I'd like to report back on the progress that Bzr/Launchpad has made addressing concerns we heard since I last brought up Canonical's offer to host the code and contribute

Re: [Zope-dev] Constant values defined in interfaces

2009-04-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 3, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Chris Rossi wrote: Hello, Hi Chris. I was wondering if the Zope collective had given any consideration to allowing constants to be defined in interfaces. To be clear, these are constant values that make up the protocol defined by the interface. ...

Re: [Zope-dev] Constant values defined in interfaces

2009-04-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 3, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: This looks like a poor man's enum. I'ld prefer to have a proper enum like thing. Seems a little different to me. For what it is worth, though, if you do want an enum in zope.schema, Canonical has lazr.enum:

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 2, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Hey All, ... The other option would be to follow Python and move to Mercurial, but that has the same problems for me as with Bzr (no decent gui tools, less mature, etc) although it's a toolset I'll have to learn at some point anyway...

Re: [Zope-dev] Please use launchpad bugtracking/blueprints more

2009-03-25 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 25, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Sidnei da Silva wrote: Hi Martijn, On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote: One question is what launchpad project we should use. The current launchpad is for Zope 3. The steering group isn't about Zope 3. It's about a

Re: [Zope-dev] PyCon?

2009-03-25 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 24, 2009, at 6:12 AM, Chris Withers wrote: Hey All, Who's around at PyCon? If so, when/where are we meeting up? Arriving Thursday evening, leaving following Thursday afternoon. I'm starting at the Hyatt, going to the Crowne Plaza on Monday. Email is maybe the best public way to get

Re: [Zope-dev] Please use launchpad bugtracking/blueprints more

2009-03-25 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Sidnei da Silva wrote: Hi Martijn, On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote: One question is what launchpad project we should use. The current launchpad is for Zope 3. The steering group isn't

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.relationship - can't pickle module objects

2009-03-17 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 16, 2009, at 10:55 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Gary Poster wrote: Yes, +1. Thank you. I was about to write to your other message that this was quite possibly the only 3.8 dependency. Cool. Committed. If we do that, then we can let plone.relations depend on zc.relationship 1.1.1

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.relationship - can't pickle module objects

2009-03-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 16, 2009, at 4:02 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi, I *think* this is a bug in zc.relationship, but I'm not quite sure. I'm using ZODB3 3.8.1 (to get BLOB support) and trying to install plone.app.relations, which depends on zc.relationship 1.0.2. In particular, it subclasses

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.relationship - can't pickle module objects

2009-03-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 16, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Gary Poster wrote: On Mar 16, 2009, at 4:02 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi, I *think* this is a bug in zc.relationship, but I'm not quite sure. I'm using ZODB3 3.8.1 (to get BLOB support) and trying to install plone.app.relations, which

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.relationship - can't pickle module objects

2009-03-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 16, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi Gary, zc.relationship 2.0 trunk is now essentially a wrapping of zc.relation code for backwards compatibility. I see. But 2.0dev on pypi isn't? What's the story behind zc.relation and the evolution of zc.relationship? Briefly, I

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.relationship - can't pickle module objects

2009-03-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 16, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi Gary, Thanks for being so helpful! Happy to. What's the difference between 1.1.1 and 2.0dev on pypi? I intended that 1.1.1 would simply make the absolutely minimal changes necessary for you to be able to use the 1.1 branch. It

Re: [Zope-dev] setting missing minimum version in setup.py

2009-03-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Dan Korostelev wrote: 2009/3/16 Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com: There is a compromise I am willing to take. If package zope.bar depends on a *new feature* or *feature change* in zope.foo 1.3.x, then it should specify the version. In other words

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.relationship - can't pickle module objects

2009-03-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 16, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Gary Poster wrote: Hopefully. Do we know that zc.relationship 1.1 works with both ZODB versions? That would be a significant point of its existence, so I certainly hope so. I'm 80%+ confident that it does, and would

Re: [Zope-dev] Python3 and attribute annotations.

2009-03-09 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Dan Korostelev wrote: Hi zope developers! As you may know, python 3 introduced the concept of annotations for callable objects. That annotations store information about arguments and return values, which is kinda nice language feature that will allow us to do

Re: [Zope-dev] setup.py extra dependencies

2009-03-06 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 6, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, Thanks Gary for sketching our the zc.async usecase. Note that zc.async isn't in the Zope Framework at this point in time so it wouldn't be directly affected by this policy, but it's still a useful usecase of course. Right,

Re: [Zope-dev] setup.py extra dependencies

2009-03-06 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 6, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Dan Korostelev wrote: 2009/3/6 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote: Hey, Laurence Rowe wrote: [snip] It seems there is a 'tests_require' One reason that isn't used is that apparently there

Re: [Zope-dev] Standard request/response API

2009-03-05 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 1, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: There's been some discussion recently about separating the interfaces in zope.publisher from the implementations to facilitate other implementations. I think it would be great to standardize request and response APIs. I'd love to see this

[Zope-dev] Zope 3 app server dying? (was Re: the Zope Framework project)

2009-03-05 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote: And I am personally interested if the Zope 3 app server is something that's dying in favour for other projects (Plone/Grok) or is actively used. Not clear on what you mean by the app server. If you mean zope.publisher, no, I don't

Re: [Zope-dev] setup.py extra dependencies

2009-03-05 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, I know opinions are divergent about 'extra' dependencies in setup.py. These ar dependencies that effectively make a single project with a single dependency structure into a number of virtual packages that each can have a separate

Re: [Zope-dev] Review of zc.dict tlotze-blist branch

2009-03-04 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 4, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Thomas Lotze wrote: Gary Poster gary.pos...@gmail.com schrieb: Index: src/zc/dict/configure.zcml === --- src/zc/dict/configure.zcml (.../trunk) (revision 0) +++ src/zc/dict/configure.zcml

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 3, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Martijn Pieters wrote: ... And so far I haven't heard any better ideas than what Martijn is proposing (no, leaving the status quo, deny there is a problem and steer by majority is not a counter proposal in my view). It may be that the idea needs some tweaking,

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-03 Thread Gary Poster
in my proposed panarchy), if from a slightly different perspective. Gary Poster wrote: Moreover, if you are willing to step up and declare that you are starting something called the Zope Framework that manages a known good set of code, and you hope other projects and people join

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Tuesday 03 March 2009, Gary Poster wrote: My mild counter proposal was this. - The ZF formally institutes an easy way for people to start Zope projects - Hopefully, Martijn F. starts something like the project he described

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-02 Thread Gary Poster
Thank you for the huge effort you expended on this, Martijn. You are right, with Jim taking a rest from his much-appreciated past years as leader, no one is in a position to guide the Zope name. We do have community leaders, such as yourself, but they are guiding other names at the moment.

[Zope-dev] Review of zc.dict tlotze-blist branch

2009-02-24 Thread Gary Poster
[Thomas asked me to review his zc.dict branch a while ago.] Hi Thomas. Thank you for this work. It looks great. I do have several comments below (from an abbreviated diff against the current trunk). Index: buildout.cfg

Re: [Zope-dev] Single Sign On

2009-02-19 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:07 AM, Marius Gedminas wrote: I have the impression that you're talking past each other. There are two ways of using OpenID: * you can be an OpenID provider, i.e. accept logins with username password and respond to authentication requests from other websites

Re: [Zope-dev] Single Sign On

2009-02-18 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: Gary Poster wrote: Launchpad uses OpenID. We don't have that slated for abstraction and open-sourcing immediately. However, most of the Launchpad code (including this bit) is to be open-sourced by this summer, abstracted

Re: [Zope-dev] Single Sign On

2009-02-17 Thread Gary Poster
Hi Shane. Launchpad uses OpenID. We don't have that slated for abstraction and open-sourcing immediately. However, most of the Launchpad code (including this bit) is to be open-sourced by this summer, abstracted or not. Therefore, we should at least be able to give you some idea of what

[Zope-dev] zope.testing tests failing on trunk (using Python 2.4.6 and 2.5.4)

2009-02-16 Thread Gary Poster
zope.testing trunk has five tests failing in Python 2.4.6 and four failing in Python 2.5.4 (on self-compiled versions on Mac OS X). Anyone know what the story is here? Gary ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.testing tests failing on trunk (using Python 2.4.6 and 2.5.4)

2009-02-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 16, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:17:06AM -0500, Gary Poster wrote: zope.testing trunk has five tests failing in Python 2.4.6 and four failing in Python 2.5.4 (on self-compiled versions on Mac OS X). Anyone know what the story is here? No clue

Re: [Zope-dev] opensp...@pycon 2009 about Zope/Repoze/Grok/Deliverence etc.

2009-02-09 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: Lots of things have happened in the Zope universe the last couple of years, and are still happening, some of which are turning Zope inside out, from a monolithic ghetto to a componentized agile speed monster. People outside the Zope world

Re: [Zope-dev] Merge zc.copy with zope.copypastemove and zope.location.

2009-02-08 Thread Gary Poster
As the author, +1 and thank you! Gary On Feb 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Dan Korostelev wrote: Okay. I prepared the zope.copy package in the SVN for you to check out what I mean. :) 2009/2/8 Dan Korostelev nad...@gmail.com: After looking at the whole copy thing for some more time, I thought

Re: [Zope-dev] Merge zc.copy with zope.copypastemove and zope.location.

2009-02-08 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 8, 2009, at 5:18 PM, Dan Korostelev wrote: 2009/2/9 Gary Poster gary.pos...@gmail.com: As the author, +1 and thank you! Glad to hear. I'll release the result of the merge soon. BTW, I'd also like to make a final release of zc.copy, replacing its code with dependencies/imports from

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