[Zope3-dev] Re: HTTP 405: Method Not Allowed

2005-04-07 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Albertas Agejevas wrote: On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 10:06:38PM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Albertas Agejevas wrote: Currently, in the generic case, Zope 3 raises a ComponentLookupError in zope.app.publication.http line 74, and a 500 response is served. I can't find that particular line

[Zope3-dev] Re: WSGI support, Twisted, cool!

2005-04-13 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martijn Faassen wrote: Is the Twisted integration based on WSGI? I'd be interested in seeing Apache mod_python integration using WSGI as well, though I think mod_python WSGI support is still behind... I'm planning to evolve modzope to glue Apache and Zope X3.1 together using WSGI. As far as I

[Zope3-dev] Article on Zope X3.0 in U.K. LinuxMag

2005-04-18 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Hi everyone, just letting you guys know that my article for the May issue of the U.K. LinuxMag is available as a PDF download at: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/54/Zope_X30_Review.pdf It is a translation of an article published in the German LinuxMag in January this year. Philipp

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-checkins] SVN: Zope3/trunk/doc/security/SecurityTarget.txt - removed rst document in favor of latex

2005-04-20 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Christian Theune wrote: Hi, * Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050420 15:59]: On Wednesday 20 April 2005 09:42, Florent Guillaume wrote: Gh Why oh why ? The document is now totally unreadable, except by reading a generated .ps or .pdf. That's not the way to go for documentation :( Ok.

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Release numbering

2005-04-20 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martijn Faassen wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [snip] I would like to settle for a consistent naming convention. I'm ok with keeping the X (under the premasis of an alternate interpretation) and I also agree with Martijn that Zope X3 3.1.0 is quite long, but I can accept even the worst

[Zope3-dev] Re: A second Zope 3 book

2005-04-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Hello all, I'm proud to announce that a second book on Zope 3, Web Component Development with Zope 3, is officially out now. It is the ideal companion to Stephan Richter's expert Developer Handbook, serving as a general introduction to Zope X3.0 from a beginner

[Zope3-dev] Re: MessageID's automatic translation in TAL

2005-05-06 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Recently Stephan and me have a discussion on the IRC about purpose of i18n:translate attribute for tags with dynamic content through tal:content attribute. Stephan pointed out that i18n:translate in this case is just a marker for call translate() later. But later I

[Zope3-dev] Re: MessageID's automatic translation in TAL

2005-05-06 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Godefroid Chapelle wrote: Jim, some other people and I argued that this kind of automation is bad anyway and instead of introducing more translation magic, TAL shouldn't do any automatic translation at all. So, in my opinion, do_insertText_tal() should raise a DeprecationWarning if it

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: SVN: Zope3/trunk/src/zope/app/ Removed all cases of bogus use 'i18n:translate'

2005-05-07 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Saturday 07 May 2005 14:39, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Removed all cases of bogus use 'i18n:translate' I think most of these cases are not at all bogus. See below. I already told Dimitry, which triggered his recent mail. He will fix this, once the discussion

[Zope3-dev] Re: Importing data

2005-05-08 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Tres Seaver wrote: Achim Domma (Procoders) wrote: can somebody explain me, what would be the recomended way to import external data into Zope? Let say I have developed a product which stores his data in the ZODB. How can I fill the DB with data via a script and not via the Web interface? $

[Zope3-dev] Re: MessageID's automatic translation in TAL

2005-05-08 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Godefroid Chapelle wrote: Jim, some other people and I argued that this kind of automation is bad anyway and instead of introducing more translation magic, TAL shouldn't do any automatic translation at all. So, in my opinion

[Zope3-dev] Re: MessageID's automatic translation in TAL

2005-05-08 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 06 May 2005 12:11, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: Stephan also have pointed that automatic translation doesn't allow somebody to disable translation on purpose for some piece of content. Right. That's one reason why it's bad. Can someone explain

[Zope3-dev] Re: MessageID's automatic translation in TAL

2005-05-08 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 06 May 2005 10:11, Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Opinions? Dimitry, I am sorry. There was already a papal's edict on the issue: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-dev/2004-September/012186.html That means, message ids must be translated explicitely using i18n:translate.

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: MessageID's automatic translation in TAL

2005-05-08 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Sunday 08 May 2005 10:01, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Thoughts? I don't mind the two semantics. I just think that if tal:content and an explicit message id in i18n:translate is specified, an error should be raised. I bet you it does already. Nope. I added

[Zope3-dev] Re: Overlapping Products

2005-05-31 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Chris Withers wrote: Hi All, Zope 2 has the nice ability to allow you to override Products. For example, I just found a bug in ZCTextIndex which will need fixing, so between now and 2.7.7, I can just run with a patched ZCTextIndex product in my instance home without having to worry about

[Zope3-dev] Re: JSON

2005-05-31 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 26 May 2005 12:53, Jim Washington wrote: I would rather not alter and maintain the foundation-level code in zope.app.pub*. Would it be possible to do this as a product? Presuming it is bad form to monkey-patch zope.app.publication.httpfactory, is there a

[Zope3-dev] Five 1.0.1 released!

2005-05-31 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Five 1.0.1 released! The Five team is happy to release Five 1.0.1, a bugfix release for Five 1.0. The most important news is unicode support for add and edit forms; other minor fixes are included as well. Please consult the CHANGES_ for more details. .. _CHANGES:

[Zope3-dev] Re: no subdirectories possible withbrowser:resourceDirectory

2005-06-03 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Roger Ineichen wrote: See our implementation of nested source directories at: http://svn.tiks.org/viewcvs/Tiks/trunk/src/tiks/publisher/browser/ This implementation doesn't support a boolean, because perhaps you won't use all subfolders of your resource. e.g. use some external javascript

[Zope3-dev] Re: DAV locking

2005-06-06 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Sunday 05 June 2005 09:35, Jim Fulton wrote: - What's the deadline for this? Well, um, Stephan was hoping to make the beta today. :) I don't know if we can treat the absense of DAV locking as a bug and get it in after the beta. No, that would be a feature. So we

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: DAV locking

2005-06-06 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jim Fulton wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Sunday 05 June 2005 09:35, Jim Fulton wrote: - What's the deadline for this? Well, um, Stephan was hoping to make the beta today. :) I don't know if we can treat the absense of DAV locking as a bug and get

[Zope3-dev] zope.component.bbb.interfaces

2005-06-12 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Hi there, I just came across a couple of places where the IView interface is used, e.g. IWidget and IAdding. IView was moved from zope.component.interfaces to zope.component.bbb.interfaces which contains a couple of other interfaces, such as IViewFactory, which is used throughout the Zope3

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Make widget / subdirective support sequence/items widgets

2005-06-13 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jan-Wijbrand Kolman wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Hi there, it's quite confusing that sequence widgets and items widgets (such as SelectWidget, DropdownWidget, etc.) cannot be specified in the widget / subdirective of the addform and editform directives. I actually consider it a bug

[Zope3-dev] Five 1.1b released!

2005-07-14 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Five 1.1b released! === The Five team is happy to release Five 1.1b, a beta release for the upcoming version 1.1 of Five. Compared to the 1.0 release, Five 1.1 brings a few more Zope 3 features to the Zope 2 world, such as * Zope 3-style i18n (including fallback to existing

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: translate() default value

2005-07-26 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Hi Everyone, In the most cases users of the translate() expect untranslated string will be returned if no translation is performed. See for example Issue #298 (http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/298

[Zope3-dev] Re: translate() default value

2005-07-26 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Benji York wrote: Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: The simplest solution is to change all translate(text) calls to translate(text, default=text). I think we need to do it for 3.1 also. So we'd either have to duplicate the message text, or place all text in a variable first, and pass it as both

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: translate() default value

2005-07-26 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Hi Everyone, In the most cases users of the translate() expect untranslated string will be returned if no translation is performed. See for example

[Zope3-dev] Heads up: Zope X3.0.1

2005-07-26 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Hi there, with Zope X3.0 being integrated in Zope 2.8, a couple of bugfixes that went into Zope 3 after the X3.0.0 release require us to release a X3.0.1. If noone objects, I will tag X3.0.1 tomorrow night (CET). Please get any checkins to the X3.0 branch in before that. Some of the

[Zope3-dev] Re: mechtest-based README.txt

2005-07-26 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jim Fulton wrote: Benji York wrote: sureshvv wrote: I am super excited!! I'm glad to hear that. Tell me how to do this for Zope2 (with Five?). I have no idea. I don't have any experience with Five, but I don't think it would take much work for someone to get it to work (perhaps even

[Zope3-dev] Zope X3 3.0.1 released!

2005-07-27 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Acknowledgements Much thanks to everyone who contributed to this release: Jim Fulton, Stephan Richter, Bjorn Tillenius, Yvo Schubbe, Stuart Bishop, Stefan H. Holek, Tim Peters, Dmitry Vasiliev, Gintautas Miliauskas, Tres Seaver, Philipp von Weitershausen

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 Repository State

2005-08-01 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: - We need to become much better about fixing bugs. I think we should make Bug Days a regular event. +1 At first I was thinking that the last Friday of each month or something would be a good idea, but hopefully a proposal-based development cycle won't require that many

[Zope3-dev] Translating Zope 3.1

2005-08-02 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Hi there, [Sorry for the cross-post, please CC replies to zope3-dev@zope.org only.] a final Zope 3.1 release is approaching rapidly and it is still lacking some important translations. Yes, you heard right, the Zope 3 management interface is fully i18n capable and we would like to ask you to

[Zope3-dev] Re: AdapterLookup C optimizations 'timeit' benchmarks

2005-08-06 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martijn Faassen wrote: By my estimations(i hope i'm not wrong :) C version gives ~20-26% speed up for different methods. Running the functional tests for a Zope 3 based systems with 434 tests yielded (best of 3) a time of 1:12.51 for the trunk and 1:12.32 for the branch. That's about a

[Zope3-dev] Re: Problem with zope.app.security._protections for tests

2005-08-08 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Gary Poster wrote: Have you ever written functional tests and been surprised that they get security proxies around i18n Messages and MessageIDs in the tests, but not in the server? I have. :-) I'm not sure how often people encounter this, but I think I've heard one other person describe

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Problem with zope.app.security._protections for tests

2005-08-08 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Fred Drake wrote: On 8/8/05, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For compatability reasons, zope.app.security._protections and the protect() function inside (though empty) should probably still exist for at least another release because people might be using it in their own tests

[Zope3-dev] Re: Problem to upgrade po file with Lauchpad

2005-08-13 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Sebastien Douche wrote: I cannot upload my .po file with this fu*** site. How can I do ? What do you mean you cannot? Are you not allowed or does it not work? It's a known problem that the site sometimes takes a little while to integrate an uploaded file into the database. The longest I've seen

[Zope3-dev] Re: [German dictionary] removed old terms; added some new ones

2005-08-14 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Christian Theune wrote: waiting for some unit tests I saw that mail and went over the terms in there. I don't know the state of discussion but I'd prefer some different terms: Thanks for your comments, Christian. I wonder if this is the right place to discuss. Maybe a comment to the wiki page

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope3

2005-08-17 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Arthur (ccube) wrote: can anyone help me contact Philipp von Weitershausen since I wanna ask him to grant me a new zh_HK (chinese Hong Kong) translation for Zope3 I'm here. What's up? I don't really understand your problem. Philipp ___ Zope3-dev

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope3 on Debian

2005-08-25 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Marcello Lussana wrote: hi, I'm trying to install zope3 on debian: the package zope3 exist but libc6 is missing. I've tried to install libc6-dev but the error with zope3 still. what can I do? should I install from source? Yes, for now please install from source (3.1rc1). The Debian

[Zope3-dev] Re: XML header and TAL interpretor

2005-08-31 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Julien Anguenot wrote: I got a problem with the standard macros use and the XML header. I've a view defined like the one below : ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? html xmlns:tal=http://xml.zope.org/namespaces/tal; xmlns:metal=http://xml.zope.org/namespaces/metal; body

[Zope3-dev] Re: XML header and TAL interpretor

2005-08-31 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Julien Anguenot wrote: Ok the problem is the doctype declaration on top of the macro files that force the tal interpretor to enter html mode and as far as I understand you can't have mix moded macros. Exactly. I forgot to mention that in my follow-up... Btw, doctype declaration is something

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: XML header and TAL interpretor

2005-09-01 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Fred Drake wrote: On 8/31/05, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTML4 mode exists because ... - it enforces some HTML document type (as mentioned before); no idea why it does that I'm just guessing you're referring to its understanding of the allowed nesting

[Zope3-dev] Re: XML header and TAL interpretor

2005-09-01 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Tonico Strasser wrote: Fred Drake schrieb: On 8/31/05, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTML4 mode exists because ... - it enforces some HTML document type (as mentioned before); no idea why it does that I'm just guessing you're referring to its understanding

[Zope3-dev] Re: XML header and TAL interpretor

2005-09-01 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Derrick Hudson wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 03:54:45PM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: | Julien Anguenot wrote: [...] | If you change the header like this then it can be succesfully included : | | ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? | html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

[Zope3-dev] Re: XML header and TAL interpretor

2005-09-01 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Tonico Strasser wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen schrieb: I'm not so sure that this is such a good thing. ZPT seems to enforce *guidelines* that not everyone might want to follow (e.g. if I want to output my XHTML as c14n or something similar). For me, ZPT's HTML mode just does too many

[Zope3-dev] Re: XML header and TAL interpretor

2005-09-01 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Tonico Strasser wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen schrieb: If we make XML the default mode, I don't see how it would impact IE very much. IE would try to dowload HTML pages not served as text/html. Pages in XML mode should be served as XML not text/html. I think that last sentence

[Zope3-dev] Re: XML header and TAL interpretor

2005-09-01 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Tonico Strasser wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen schrieb: Tonico Strasser wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen schrieb: If we make XML the default mode, I don't see how it would impact IE very much. IE would try to dowload HTML pages not served as text/html. Pages in XML mode should

[Zope3-dev] Re: XML header and TAL interpretor

2005-09-01 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Tonico Strasser wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen schrieb: Tonico Strasser wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen schrieb: Tonico Strasser wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen schrieb: I'm not so sure that this is such a good thing. ZPT seems to enforce *guidelines* that not everyone might

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: XML header and TAL interpretor

2005-09-01 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Julien Anguenot wrote: I think it's time to sketch out a proposal :). +1 Do you want to write it ? I can start, then you, Tonica and others can pad it out in the wiki. Philipp ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub:

[Zope3-dev] RFC: Rename principal to participant

2005-09-12 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Hi there, while I very much like Zope 3's understanding security and abstract concepts of interactions, participations, and principals, I've never really grown to love the word principal. It might be easier to understand for native speakers, but I've certainly had problems to grok and remember(!)

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Rename principal to participant

2005-09-12 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Tonico Strasser wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen schrieb: ... So, I would like to give principal a better name. How about participant? After all, a principal _participates_ in an interaction through a participation (e.g. an HTTP request). Participant should also be pretty easy to translate

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Rename principal to participant

2005-09-12 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Marc Rijken wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Monday 12 September 2005 12:31, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: So, I would like to give principal a better name. How about participant? After all, a principal _participates_ in an interaction through a participation (e.g. an HTTP request

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Rename principal to participant

2005-09-12 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Craeg Strong wrote: It seems the word Principal is ubiquitous in security-related software: see Microsoft dot Net Principal [1] java.security.Principal Kerberos [2] GSS API [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/cpref/html/frlrfsystemsecurityprincipal.asp

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Rename principal to participant

2005-09-13 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi principals *shrug* I'm a user :). Since principal doesn't seem to be a common term in IT speak either, translators repeatedly have their problems with it. In German, for example, we came up with Nutzungsberechtigter which is just an arbitrary choice and doesn't even fit

[Zope3-dev] Re: most specific interface?

2005-09-13 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: is the order of the list of interfaces implemented by an object subject to internal changes? I have identified the need for such a pattern: iface = object.interface() with: class someObject(object): implements(IMainInterface, ISecondaryInterface,

[Zope3-dev] Re: most specific interface?

2005-09-14 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: is the order of the list of interfaces implemented by an object subject to internal changes? I have identified the need for such a pattern: iface = object.interface() with: class someObject

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Rename principal to participant, my 2p ;-)

2005-09-14 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Chris Withers wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: - BUT, given that it's a big change and likely invalidates a lot of dead tree material, I'd suggest we just stick with principal and be done with it ;-) If that last point were the doctrine by which previous refactorings had

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Rename principal to participant

2005-09-14 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Steve Alexander wrote: I think so too. But I whould not try to explain a PAU (pluggable authentication utility) without to use the word principal. I think using the words user or participant for a principal in this case is not a good idea. Perhaps the scope of the PUA can be extended to have a

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Rename principal to participant

2005-09-14 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Steve Alexander wrote: Interesting. It looks to me like you're calling a User object what the CMF calls a Member. Sure. Does the CMF have any users who aren't members? Well, I think so. At least the CMF has different objects for members than for users (the former come from the CMF Member

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Rename principal to participant

2005-09-14 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Uwe Oestermeier wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: I ended up creating a first class User object too. See also my note about being able to access these in content space. The same holds for my project. Shouldn't they be part of the framework if so many applications need them? I smell a

[Zope3-dev] Re: most specific interface?

2005-09-16 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: does alsoProvides() check for interfaces already listed? No, but directlyProvides does. Issuing the same directlyProvides(...) call twice has the same effect as issuing it once. Philipp ___ Zope3-dev mailing list

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3.1.0 RC 3 released!

2005-09-17 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Sebastien Douche wrote: What is the deadline to finish translation ? There's no specific deadline for translations. They will not be part of 3.1.0 final anyway, but we will make a 3.1.1 soon after a decent number of translations have been finished. Thanks for your work so far. Philipp

[Zope3-dev] Five 1.1 released!

2005-10-04 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Five 1.1 released! == The Five team is happy to release Five 1.1 final. Compared to the 1.0 release, Five 1.1 brings a few more Zope 3 features to the Zope 2 world, such as * Zope 3-style i18n (including fallback to existing Zope 2 i18n machinery), * Zope 3 to Zope 2

[Zope3-dev] Re: Is anyone developing or supporting stateful workflow?

2005-10-05 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Stateful workflow was, initially, as much an experiment as anything else. Now it seems to be a common source of questions. Is anyone actually working on it? Does it have a champion? If not, then I suggest it is a trap that we should get rid of.

[Zope3-dev] Re: Is anyone developing or supporting stateful workflow?

2005-10-05 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 05 October 2005 06:05, Jim Fulton wrote: Stateful workflow was, initially, as much an experiment as anything else. Now it seems to be a common source of questions. Is anyone actually working on it? Does it have a champion? If not, then I suggest it is a

[Zope3-dev] New mailinglist for Zope 3 translators

2005-10-06 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Hello all, [Sorry for the cross-post, please CC replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] only.] two months ago, I started an initiative [1] to translate Zope 3.1 using Ubuntu's Launchpad system [2]. Since then, I've received a lot of emails from numerous volunteers around the world and many of them made

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope3 website report?

2005-10-11 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Tonico Strasser wrote: Martijn Faassen schrieb: Hi there, I'm very curious to see what work was done on a Zope 3 website at the Neckar sprint. Can someone send a report to the list? The plan has been to migrate all the Wiki pages from zope.org to zope3.org. Interesting, and a bit sad to

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope3 website report?

2005-10-11 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Benji York wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: b) It is exactly the opposite of what we've been trying to do for the last couple of months: convergence, not divergence! I think that differentiating Zope 3 from Zope 2 is a good thing. Sure. I never said that their differences

[Zope3-dev] Re: zope3 website report?

2005-10-11 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martijn Faassen wrote: Here's my 2 cents, even if I might be too late (but hey, when should I have brought this up?): I think it's a *bad* idea to host Zope 3 on its own site, because: a) It will be yet another systems we need maintainance volunteers for. As it seems we don't even have

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope3 website report?

2005-10-11 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martijn Faassen wrote: Anyway, if this is indeed the plan for zope3.org, I was under a few severe misapprehensions and I hereby de-volunteer. It should be clear at this point that there was clearly a lack of communication about this matter, temporarily forgetting the actual question whether

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope3 website report?

2005-10-11 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Fred Drake wrote: On 10/11/05, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - a ZWiki on a bare Zope 2 is set up within minutes A ZWiki as found on the current zope.org is unusable, so I'll presume you mean an up-to-date ZWiki, which I expect is much nicer. Of course. Again (and I'm

[Zope3-dev] Re: SVN: Zope3/trunk/src/zope/testbrowser/ftests/testdoc.py Fixed bug from Philipp. Are you working on Windoze?

2005-10-11 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: Log message for revision 39056: Fixed bug from Philipp. Are you working on Windoze? Now I see what you meant. Thanks... (I'm on MacOSX which is using HFS+, another case-capable but -ignorant filesystem) Changed: U

[Zope3-dev] Re: tagged value handling inconsequent for interface methods and attributes and interfaces themself

2005-10-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Grégoire Weber wrote: while modeling the external API of an application I'd like to use the tagged value feature of the interface implementation. It seems to me that handling tagged values is implemented inconsequently. It would be nice if tagging attributes and interfaces would look the

[Zope3-dev] Zope3/zpkgsetup

2005-10-29 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Hi there, just a quick question: the 'zpkgsetup' in the root Zope3 directory was replaced by buildsupport/zpkgsetup and is a dead chicken waiting to be removed, right? Philipp ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub:

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope3/zpkgsetup

2005-10-30 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Fred Drake wrote: On 10/29/05, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just a quick question: the 'zpkgsetup' in the root Zope3 directory was replaced by buildsupport/zpkgsetup and is a dead chicken waiting to be removed, right? That was removed when the setup.py was modified

[Zope3-dev] Re: SVN: Zope3/branches/roger-bostonskin2/src/zope/app/boston/ Cleanup and some restructuring:

2005-11-02 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: Log message for revision 39800: Cleanup and some restructuring: - Converted TAB characters to spaces. - Switched from DOS line endings to Unix ones. This was quite unnecessary, unfortunately. Setting the svn:eol-style property to native on those files

[Zope3-dev] Re: SVN: Zope3/branches/roger-bostonskin2/src/zope/app/boston/ Cleanup and some restructuring:

2005-11-02 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 02 November 2005 03:51, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: In fact, we *require* all text files (.py, .pt, .zcml, .txt) to have the svn:eol-style property set to native, so that Windows checkouts have Windows line-endings and Unix checkouts have Unix line

[Zope3-dev] Five 1.2b and 1.3b released!

2005-11-02 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
be nested). Thanks to Sidnei da Silva for the initial development back in March, Lennart Regebro and Philipp von Weitershausen for bringing it up to date for inclusion into Five 1.2. * Improved event support Five can now make standard Zope 2 containers (aka object managers) send Zope 3

[Zope3-dev] Re: Bug in viewmeta.py (page directive handler)

2005-11-05 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Sven Schomaker wrote: Hi all, I found a tiny bug in the page directive handler page in zope.app.publisher.browser.viewmeta.py. Handling allowed attributes seems to be buggy: SNIP _handle_allowed_attributes(_context, allowed_interface, permission,

[Zope3-dev] Re: Object event dispatching in Zope

2005-11-10 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Florent Guillaume wrote: I've posted a blog entry about object event dispatching which tries to details that complex process: http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/florent_guillaume/2005_11_10_object-event-dispatching Also on Monday I posted an entry detailing how these object events can

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Stop form machinery from providing a default translation domain of zope

2005-11-10 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jim Fulton wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: in zope/app/form/__init__.py there is a method used to translate widget labels that passes zope as a domain. This means that labels that are not message ids get the zope domain. At best, this hides i18n bugs. At worst, this will lead to undesired

[Zope3-dev] Re: Object event dispatching in Zope

2005-11-11 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Florent Guillaume wrote: I've posted a blog entry about object event dispatching which tries to details that complex process: http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/florent_guillaume/2005_11_10_object-event-dispatching Also on Monday I posted an entry detailing

[Zope3-dev] Re: branched Zope 2.9

2005-11-13 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 12. November 2005 22:08:38 -0500 Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI (this is mostly for the benefit of the Five folks), I've created a Zope 2.9 branch from the trunk as of about 10 minutes ago. This branch is frozen for feature work; it may need some

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: branched Zope 2.9

2005-11-14 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 15. November 2005 00:20:00 +0800 Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Florent Guillaume wrote: BTW I'm for removing the 2.9 branch for now. You didn't, so I presume 2.9 branch stays? It's important to clear the status of this branch because

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: branched Zope 2.9

2005-11-16 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 16. November 2005 14:03:05 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean that the existing 2.9 branch needs to be removed and that the trunk remains frozen? Didn't Florent delete the branch? Obviously he did not as I assumed. So in this case Philipp

[Zope3-dev] Re: Permissions

2005-11-18 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Paul Volpato wrote: I have a template that simply displays 'Hello World' and in the zcml I have declared the page as zope.Public. But when I go to the pages address I have to authenticate. If I authenticate the page displays fine. But I can't seem to view it as an anonymous user.

[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martijn Faassen wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 23 November 2005 10:16, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Sounds crazy, I know. But I'm serious. Looking for your comments at: http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/ReuniteZope2AndZope3InTheSourceCodeRepository I am -1. If I could I would

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Gary Poster wrote: Sounds crazy, I know. But I'm serious. Looking for your comments at: http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/ ReuniteZope2AndZope3InTheSourceCodeRepository I already spoke with Philipp on IRC about this, but for the record, and speaking personally, and very arguably selfishly: -1.

RE: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source coderepository

2005-11-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Roger Ineichen wrote: Reading the response to this mail, I guess developer working on existing Zope2 projects agree on this proposal. And developer where build projects only based on Zope3 will not. As somebody how don't know Zope2 I'm -1 on this. I could repeat here what Martijn and I

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Dominik Huber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Stephan Richter wrote: This may raise the contribution bar too high. IMO that 's the most important point. It raises the bar for Zope 3 developers a bit while lower the bar for Zope 2 developers tremendously. I'm looking at the bigger picture and see it all

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Julien Anguenot wrote: Some Zope3 developers don't care about Zope2 and this is fair enough in my point of view. Zope2 starts to get old and appears to be really a mess compared to Zope3 in *2005*, plus it's not such an attractive platform as it used to be couple of years ago. (Don't get me

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: I totally disagree. I, as a Zope 3 developer, have to learn Zope 2 and Five. What makes you think so? I, for one, have not the slightest clue of how zope.wfmc works. Still I'm able to contribute to Zope 3, am I not? If I refactor something, I might even have to touch

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 23 November 2005 22:01, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Messing up Zope 3 is specifically not the intention of this proposal. It says so explicitly in the Your questions answered section. Though it is not your intend, the merge would in fact mess up

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source coderepository

2005-11-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Quoting Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 23 November 2005 21:43, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: I know that you, Roger, have been contributing a lot to new exciting features in Zope 3. In doing so, you would never have to worry about Zope 2 because Zope 2 will only

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 23 November 2005 21:48, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Note that I also understand your motivation on voting -1 quite well. Leaving everything as it is is simply the easier thing to do. For the moment... I will always vote -1 on such a move. I just

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 24 November 2005 00:05, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: I totally disagree. I, as a Zope 3 developer, have to learn Zope 2 and Five. What makes you think so? I, for one, have not the slightest clue of how zope.wfmc works

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source coderepository

2005-11-23 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 24 November 2005 00:25, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Quoting Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This would be Zope 3's death blow as we know it, because it would stall Zope 3 for several months. Why would it stall Zope 3 development? Because

RE: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source coderepository

2005-11-24 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Roger Ineichen wrote: What makes you think so? I, for one, have not the slightest clue of how zope.wfmc works. Still I'm able to contribute to Zope 3, am I not? If I refactor something, I might even have to touch zope.wfmc, but for the most part this could be very superficial. That's

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-24 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Chris McDonough wrote: I really, really appreciate Phil taking the time to propose this no matter what happens. Chris, I won't bother you with a detailed answer (esp. to some points that were not quite correct about Zope 3 not caring about backward compat). I just wanted to say that I also

RE: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source coderepository

2005-11-24 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Roger Ineichen wrote: Btw, do we really count developer where are voting but never contributed to the z3 trunk? I think normaly yes. But this is a proposal where I think should be up to the Zope3 developer to decide. Uh, why only Zope3 developers? This affects the whole Zope community!

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-24 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jim Fulton wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Sounds crazy, I know. But I'm serious. Looking for your comments at: http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/ReuniteZope2AndZope3InTheSourceCodeRepository I love this idea! Ok. But I think it's still a bit too early to pursue it. Perhaps so. Other

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