I think that this link hilights the issue.
The project at NCSU is sen as being powered by the NC State Computing
Platform. There is clearly more of a tie between the name of the
project and its roots. Quite honestly, this can be word smithed in
any number of ways but the relationship exists. Using Alan's example
with a situation that I'm quite familiar with is the reltionship
between Apache Geronimo and IBM's "version" which was called WebSphere
Community Edition. It would certainly not be appropriate for IBM to
call it WebSphere "Geronimo Version". Apache owned the brand Geronimo
and IBM, or anyone else for that matter, was free to do with the code
what they wanted.
It is far easier for the project here to change its name than it is to
impose changes on NC State and it would not be appropriate for Apache
to suggest or even try and do so.
When the project is successful, it should be on its merits and keeping
a sense of genealogy is fine, people will know it by its new name.
On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Henry E Schaffer wrote:
I share in Josh's puzzlement. Since we don't have and never have had
a VCL Department, do we need to start one and then close it down?
What we have is software which we call "VCL", and this is reflected
the documentation and the URL to use our production system
At NC State we use a piece of software which we call "Apache HTTP
Server". This name is the same as the ASF project. We're not the
organization which does this. Ditto for other suftware, e.g. Tomcat.
But using software is different than naming products. Not a good
So I don't understand the following quoted material is consistent
"There must be a name for the project at ASF that isn't used
anywhere else in
the world for any similar project,
since we don't (now) have any VCL project except for the ASF one.
This is a debateable point ... see the URL above.
and anyone who downloads and
project isn't allowed to use the ASF name in any way."
If "ASF name" means the name of our project at ASF, then for the
projects, how can people say they are running Apache HTTP Server or
This isn't about use, its about branding.
If "ASF name" means "the name of the Foundation" then there is the
same conflict when people say they are running Apache HTTP Server or
Am I missing something?