Re: FVWM: a problem of .login starting fvwm (migration suse-ubuntu)
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 14Sep2021 15:36, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: I am migrating (actually, configuring a new PC) from opensuse 42.3 to xubuntu 20.04.3. Thanks for your interest. In the meanhile I arranged an acceptable workaround. Apparently ALL of the .login is not executed This is pretty normal. The display manager is running fvwm as your "session", so it starts it directly without using a shell at all. My long standing approach has been to have a .xsession file specifying my desktop session. I'm not sure whether that's compatible with the default xubuntu way. To recap, a "text terminal then startx" style login goes: Used that only once for a laptop which failed to start X at boot (or perhaps back in the old times of Sun workstation in the '90s ...) An XDM (et al) style login goes: (not just the part relevant to XSESSION_IS_UP ...by the way what is the correct way in ubuntu to check I am in an X session ?) Apparently in xubuntu the things to be tested are if ( $?XDG_SESSION_TYPE != 0 ) then if ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE == x11) then my arrangement has been to move some conditional code in .cshrc, and leave some conditional X server stuff (like the X11 bell emulation) in .login, and force its execution in fvwm with a xterm -ls in StartFunction Thanks anyhow -- 'It seemed to me,' said Wonko the Sane, 'that any civilization that had so far lost its head as to need to include a set of detailed instructions for use in a package of toothpicks, was no longer a civilization in which I could live and stay sane.' Douglas Adams, So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish
FVWM: a problem of .login starting fvwm (migration suse-ubuntu)
I am migrating (actually, configuring a new PC) from opensuse 42.3 to xubuntu 20.04.3. In particular I would like to clone my fvwm configuration (since I have a screen of the same size), the one in http://sax.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/WWW/Opinions/window.html What I am noticing (which is probably not directly related fvwm itself but to the way it is started with the X server) is that the fvwm session does not run my .login (I am since ages a tcsh user, so I have a .cshrc and a .login).Such .login is executed correctly in a ssh session. The .login has few items (a PATH setting, a font path xset +fp setting (plus other audio stuff so far commented out) which is conditional to a $?XSESSION_IS_UP, and a setenv of some locale like LC_TIME to en_US.UTF-8) Apparently ALL of the .login is not executed (not just the part relevant to XSESSION_IS_UP ...by the way what is the correct way in ubuntu to check I am in an X session ?) I checked with ps -H the way fvwm is started On suse 1 1690 root /usr/bin/sddm 1690 17584 root /usr/lib/sddm/sddm-helper ... --start fvwm --user lucio 17584 17586 lucio /usr/bin/fvwm On ubuntu 1 977 root /usr/sbin/lightdm 977 34424 root /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -core :0 ... 977 56656 root lightdm --session-child 12 19 56656 56682 lucio fvwm2 56682 56759 lucio/usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/im-launch fvwm2 The difference between fvwm and fvwm2 is virtual. On suse /usr/bin/fvwm2 is a link to fvwm. On ubuntu fvwm is a link to /etc/alternatives... which in turn is a link to /usr/bin/fvwm2. Suse has fvwm 2.6.6 and ubuntu has 2.6.8 What is apparent is that somehow suse performs a "login with my shell" before starting fvwm (thus setting my environment) while ubuntu starts fvwm ignoring my login shell choices. How can I either change this order, or instruct fvwm under ubuntu so that it sets up a basic environment which is then inherited by all child shells (in xterm, urxvt or whatever) ? Thanks -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: One more question...
On Thu, 30 May 2019, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: On the new system I'm configuring, I'm running without any .fvwmrc file in the home directory of the account that I start X from. So I guess this means that Fvwm is picking up some default .fvwmrc file from someplace. I just discovered that fvwm-config -S will tell you where system.fvwm2rc is (on my machine it looks to be in /etc/X11/fvwm2. just below those things there is an empty space. I would very much like to place another xclock in that empty space as follows: Copy the system.fvwm2rc in ~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc and edit it freely (some examples of mine are in the link in signature) -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) http://sax.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/WWW/Opinions/window.html
Re: FVWM: Is there a way to ignore other windows when placing one?
On Sat, 17 Oct 2015, lee wrote: I haven't figured out how to use multiple desks, though. I tried that once and apparently got multiple desks just by naming some, but no way to switch between them. As other said, people usually use the pager to move among multiple desks (or multiple pages of one desk, or multiple pages of multiple desks), but one can implement other ways ... menus in the root menu, buttons in a bar or widget, keyboard accelerators, menus in the window menu (to move a window to occupy a given desk or page). I have implemented most of those in my .fvwmrc although I do not use all of them with the same frequency (see http://sax.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/WWW/Opinions/window.html for screenshots and links to examples) -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html Do not like Firefox >=29 ? Get Pale Moon ! http://www.palemoon.org
Re: System clock in FVWM: A new discovery!
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015, Dan Espen wrote: Michael Großer michael.gros...@gmx.de writes: Back in 2010, when I discovered FVWM as a useful window manager, I needed a digital clock, ... I've been using dclock since forever: Happy with xdaliclock in conjunction with fvwm since ages, account here http://sax.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/WWW/Opinions/window.html -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html Do not like Firefox =29 ? Get Pale Moon ! http://www.palemoon.org
Re: FVWM: best way to update a button or menu item
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: 2) I want to keep the current date on the screen (and time as well, but time is no problem) Is there a smart way to have a button periodically refresh its content ? thanks to the previous hint to SendToModule ... ChangeButton my solution is to run via crontab at midnight the following two line shell script set a = `date +%a %b %d` /usr/bin/FvwmCommand SendToModule MyBox ChangeButton myDate Title '$a[1] $a[2] $a[3]' -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html Do not like Firefox =29 ? Get Pale Moon ! http://www.palemoon.org
Re: FVWM: best way to update a button or menu item
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Chris Siebenmann wrote: 2) I want to keep the current date on the screen You want the old standby 'xclock', specifically 'xclock -digital' (possibly with '-strftime' as well Don't know why I junked it with a don't like back in 2006. As a clock I rather liked Jamie Zawinksi's xdaliclock (although at the time I did not realize he was the author). For date I liked rclock (which is also an appointment manager ... just use it to tell me when to take a pill and when to go home, or occasional to the dentist :-)) Anyhow now I have a solution which works with a crontab, so it is a waste to keep there a process for something which occurs once a day. -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html Do not like Firefox =29 ? Get Pale Moon ! http://www.palemoon.org
Re: FVWM: best way to update a button or menu item
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Thomas Adam wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 02:23:21PM +0100, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Thomas Adam wrote: This is why you use FvwmEvent and the SendToModule directive: DestroyModuleConfig FE-UpdateDeskNum *FE-UpdateDeskNum: new_desk NewFunc DestroyFunc NewFunc AddToFunc NewFunc + I SendToModule MyDesk0 ChangeButton desklabel Title $0 in fact I do not understand ho FvmwEvent passes argument $0 to the function !! As for your other problem, see: $[desk.n] and: $[desk.name$[desk.n]] You should really pass those to 'NewFunc'. not really pass, more hardcode so they are automatically expanded ! With the code above, doing NewFunc anything was correctly changing the label to argument anything. I tried calling NewFunc from FvwmEvent with desktop as argument mod DestroyModuleConfig FE-UpdateDeskNum mod *FE-UpdateDeskNum: new_desk NewFunc $[desk.n] but that is WRONG the correct way is instead mod AddToFunc NewFunc mod + I SendToModule MyDesk0 ChangeButton desklabel Title desk $[desk.n] I was aware of the $-variables, only I noted that inserting them in menus or buttons, the value at the moment of the menu or button defintion was used. Instead for the function, the value at the moment of function call is used ! So it works, even with desktop names (the only provision is that the button title shall be created at beginning with a string long enough to cater for the longest value it would receive in the future) -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html Do not like Firefox =29 ? Get Pale Moon ! http://www.palemoon.org
FVWM: another question about desktops
So far (in the last 10 years or so !!) I've been using the following mental model when dealing with fvwm desktops and pages A page is a screen where I keep the terminals, editors, analysis tools I need for a particular sub-activity (say analysing the spectra of a particular source, or writing a particular program, or writing documents for a particular project Desktops were a family grouping of pages So, so far I had normally (on my physical desktop computer) 2 fvwm desktops of 2x2 pages each. One desktop was intended for real work The other one for connectivity (and I had one page for e-mail, one page for web, one page for VNC or Xnest or VirtualBox, and a spare) (on the laptop I used - seldom - for presentations I kept 3-5 desktops of 1 page each ... that was mainly because of the reduced space on the screen) Now I decided to change the mental model. I would like to have one desktop per project/activity (i.e. what I previously called pages). If I do each desktop of 1 page that's easy. However since I discovered the wonderful command to do mouse scrolling Mouse 1 A CM Scroll reverse I would appreciate having each desktop somehow bigger than the physical screen. Sometimes I need rather wide terminal screens. Probably 2x2 is too big ... I tried DeskTopSize 1.5x1.5 ... ... apparently it is accepted but does not work as expected I assume I cannot have fractional increases. Would it be possible to use the FvwmPager to show only the first page of each 2x2 or 1x2 desktop (and consider the rest as hidden reserved space which can be reached scrolling) ? Otherwise what about having normally DeskTopSize 1x1 and at need increasing it on the fly to 2x1 or 2x2 (I tested the increase works) Opinions ? -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html Do not like Firefox =29 ? Get Pale Moon ! http://www.palemoon.org
FVWM: best way to update a button or menu item
First of all my apologies if I'm asking in the wrong place, I was a member of the mailing list f...@fvwm.org, but some times after my last posting (a few years ago) I received nothing. I assumed recently that the list was replaced by the forum, but since registration to the forum is barred by a totally ununderstandable question (!), I checked the archives and I realized the list is still mildly active ... but has changed address, so I re-subscribed. I am in the process of revamping all my fvwm configuration, I re-read all the man pages (incidentally the web based ones are excellent as ease of access) and decided to try some of the modules I so far skipped (and FvwmConsole is a great way to test things. What I want to do so far is the following (for one I have a working solution but there may be better ones, for the other I have just ideas) 1) I want to keep (e.g. in the lower left corner of my screen) a text label with the desktop number or name After some experiments, I think the best is to use FvwmButtons I define a transparent color set Colorset 10 Transparent,Fore White then for each desktop I define a FvwmButtons like this (only I call them 0,1,2 ...) Style MyDesk0 StartsOnDesk 0, SkipMapping,NoTitle,WindowListSkip, !Borders,!Handles,ParentalRelativity,StickyAcrossPages, !StickyAcrossDesks,StaysOnBottom DestroyModuleConfig MyDesk0* *MyDesk0: (Title desk 0, Action Nop) *MyDesk0: Colorset 10 Module FvwmButtons -g -0-0 MyDesk0 Each one has hardcoded the desk number (or potentially name). I hoped I could use $[desk.n] as a dynamic content. but I found with some disappointment that it is the current desk at the moment the button or menu or whatever is created. Is there any smarter solution (with a single fvwmbutton or other widget for all desks, which displays the current desk number as soon as one moves to it ?) 2) I want to keep the current date on the screen (and time as well, but time is no problem) In my old configuration I do this already, I stick in a corner of the screen, one above the other, two applications. - one is a xdaliclock with the (hh:mm:ss) time (no title, etc.) - the other one is a rclock with a geometry of 150x1-0+12, so the display of the analog clock is suppressed, and the date is shown in the window title bar what I wanted to do now was to collect the two clocks, together with other things like the FvwmPager and some other stuff, into a FvwmButtons. The xdaliclock is swallowed nicely (so time is no problem), but rclock is not usable, because the window title does not exist for swallowed windows. So far I replaced the rclock button (in the FvwmButtons MyBox) with a Piperead from a shell script which does a silly echo *MyBox: \(1x1, Back rgb:99/00/00, Fore White, Title \`date +%a %b %d`\, Action Nop\) This is very economic (no additional X applications) but of course works but loads the date of the moment FvwmButtons is invoked (currently from FvwmConsole and later at fvwm startup) Since I usually leave the machine logged in for several days, of course this date will no longer be valid on the next day Is there a smart way to have a button periodically refresh its content ? I thought of some at command or better crontab, which could use FvwmCommand to tell fvwm to KillModule FvwmButtons Mybox and invoke it again (may be with a dedicated function) ... ... or I could just use the fvwm restart I already have Any smarter solution ? -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html Do not like Firefox =29 ? Get Pale Moon ! http://www.palemoon.org
Re: FVWM: best way to update a button or menu item
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Thomas Adam wrote: This is why you use FvwmEvent and the SendToModule directive: DestroyModuleConfig FE-UpdateDeskNum *FE-UpdateDeskNum: new_desk NewFunc AddToFunc StartFunction I Module FvwmEvent FE-UpdateDeskNum DestroyFunc NewFunc AddToFunc NewFunc + I SendToModule MyDesk0 ChangeButton desklabel Title $0 Thanks for the hints towards FvwmEvent (I thought something like that but first of all did not know the names of the applicable event !) anyhow, I did that (testing in FvwmConsole), I just replaced the last statement with + I SendToModule MyDesk0 ChangeButton desklabel Title desk $0 If I call NewFunc x the button label is updated fine However as soon as invoke Module FvwmEvent FE-UpdateDeskNum I get in the error console twice this message FE-UpdateDeskNum: incomplete event definition *FE-UpdateDeskNumnew_desk FE-UpdateDeskNum: incomplete event definition *FE-UpdateDeskNumnew_desk in fact I do not understand ho FvmwEvent passes argument $0 to the function !! (BTW I am using fvwm 2.5.26) Thanks in advance for any further hint -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html Do not like Firefox =29 ? Get Pale Moon ! http://www.palemoon.org
Re: FVWM: interference firefox/acroread and fvwm on suse 11.3
On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Thomas Adam wrote: Sounds like the Colormap is used up. Try adding to your .fvwm2rc file: ColormapFocus FollowsFocus Sorry, no effect at all. (I had FollowsMouse before, according to system default) -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) Italian Research at risk.La Ricerca italiana a rischio ! see http://sax.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/WWW/Opinions/nobrain.html cfr.
Re: FVWM: interference firefox/acroread and fvwm on suse 11.3
On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Thomas Adam wrote: ColormapFocus FollowsFocus Sorry, no effect at all. There's nothing FVWM can do to help you here if it is a colormap problem -- it certainly sounds like it based on your description. Hmm ... but why should it be ? In the test arrangement I've used there are very few applications running (a couple of xterm, firefox, FvwmPager and a clock), should not be intensive on the colour map. Not an FVWM problem that I can tell. Yes but then why the root user, which uses a (more complicated, and presumably more colour intensive) KDE session does not show the problem with firefox and acroread ? I've tried a xwininfo (under fvmw) on both the old and new system (*) and for both I get Visual Class: TrueColor. The old one (suse 9.2) however gives Depth: 16, and the new one Depth: 24 ... will THAT make a difference? I had a very quick look about colormaps in man fvwm. I see there start time switches like -l which can be used ... but I have no idea how SuSE kdm starts fvwm (once an user has chosen an fvwm session, that remains the default for him at future logins ... but is not stored in the user home), and how I could apply them. (*) incidentally, at the moment both the old and new systems are connected to the SAME physical monitor via a D-link KVM switch. No idea if that can cause problems (sometimes it does with the resolution) ... also old Suse's had sax2 which could be used to tune the X server, but this is gone. [1] Any reason why you don't use some other PDF viewer? I never looked deeply into how many there are (and I'm already using enough not distro bundled stuff for other things :-)). I was happy with the old and light acroread I had on 9.2 and is the sort of thing one expectes to find everywhere. Sometimes used xpdf for newer files which made the old acroread fail. But I do not like that much the look of the more recent acroread so it would be a good moment to switch. -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) Italian Research at risk.La Ricerca italiana a rischio ! see http://sax.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/WWW/Opinions/nobrain.html cfr.
Re: FVWM: interference firefox/acroread and fvwm on suse 11.3
On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: I've tried a xwininfo (under fvmw) on both the old and new system (*) and for both I get Visual Class: TrueColor. The old one (suse 9.2) however gives Depth: 16, and the new one Depth: 24 ... will THAT make a difference? Apparently not. Found an easy way to change depth (added DefaultDepth 16 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-screen.conf, restarted and checked), and still I get the white on black bars. -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) Italian Research at risk.La Ricerca italiana a rischio ! see http://sax.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/WWW/Opinions/nobrain.html cfr.
Re: FVWM: dragging windows inside the pager
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for not bringing it up earlier. It is more like it does not work, and then - now twice - I see it work for very brief periods of time. I am pretty sure it's not numlock - it is one of the first things I Did you try testing the mouse behaviour using xev ?
Re: FVWM: starting application on specific page
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, Paul Novak wrote: I'd like to start firefox on a particular page. I can't get that to work with version 2.4.20. Cannot help on that, I use fvwm 2.5.10 (bundled with my SuSE 9.2). But I have this in my .fvwm2rc for firefox (suggested in a long past by somebody on this list), which is always started on the first page of my second desktop Style Gecko StartsOnPage 1 0 0, SkipMapping, NoPPosition Apparently the trick is that firefox is using an unusual X name I also have this lot to have firefox to start always with a fixed size instead of remembering how it was last resized. DestroyModuleConfig Event-FF: * *Event-FF: Cmd Function *Event-FF: PassId *Event-FF: add_window ResizeFireFox DestroyFunc ResizeFireFox AddToFunc ResizeFireFox + I ThisWindow (Gecko !Transient) Resize 707p 980p -- --- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html --- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ http://arc.pasp.de/
Re: FVWM: Icon Placement
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Joel J. Adamson wrote: same region of the desktop? I mean that for any application, I'd like them to (for example) iconify to the right side of the screen between my clock and my system monitor; instead they tend to go to the I have forgotten the tests I did but I have this in my rc file Style * IconBox -20 0 -1 -1 , IconFill bottom right and the icons go on bottom right. While my clock and pager is on top right (yes, I like 1280x1024 screens) -- --- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html --- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ http://arc.pasp.de/
Re: FVWM: Pros and cons of different ways of starting fvwm
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Chris G wrote: I'm running fvwm2 as my wm on two fedora 7 installations. What would be the advantages (if any) of changing the runlevel to 5 and getting the (default) gnome desktop to run fvmw2 as its window manager? I am not familiar at all with fedora and gnome, I use suse (whose default is kde) with fvwm. And start it from kdm, When I first moved to such environment I did some experimenting (I created from scratch separate accounts for kdeuser, wmuser, fvwmuser and logged in as each one of them selecting from the KDM login one of the window managers offered, to see what files were created in home ... then I modified the various .login and .cshrc to print to a file a trace of the situation at their start and end ... by trace I mean a dump of set,printenv and ps, the latter with appropriate switches). This way I was able to see the transient processes which disappear after starting other processes, or which transform in other processes via exec. The sequence for fvwm started by kdm seems pretty lightweight, A ps -A -H -o ppid,pid,user,command --sort=ppid,pid,user shows at the end the following surviving chain /opt/kde3/bin/kdm /usr/X11R6/bin/X ... -:0 /usr/bin/X11/fvwm ssh-agent /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc each of the applications started in .fvwm There is no leftover at all of the kde desktop. There are occasionally some kde related processes when I use some k applications under fvmw (essentially kdiff3 or some system administration tool). This way I diverge from the local standard, but not much. -- --- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html --- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ http://arc.pasp.de/
Re: Fw: Re: FVWM: Beginners how to
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Chris G wrote: Whatever, depending on distribution, there's a fair chance that .xinitrc isn't being looked at. Sorry, I've not archived the beginning of the thread, but if I remember correctly the original poster was asking something about using fvwm remotely under VNC. That's nothing to do with .xinitrc or alike. All what you have to do is to provide in the directory ~/.vnc a file called xstartup. A minimal version of such file could just be #!/bin/sh xsetroot -solid blue fvwm and then do all your desktop configuration in ~/.fvwm/.fvwmrc I arranged this for a retired colleague which uses VNC from a remote site to have a desktop running here so that he can read journals from our server. If one wishes one can put other applications in xstartup, but I find easier and more elegant to let fvwm do it itself. -- --- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html --- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ http://arc.pasp.de/
Re: FVWM: Beginners-Infos /Example-Files(simple,please) ?
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Julien Guertault wrote: Why would not a book presenting a few of the main features of fvwm be worth it? It depends what you mean by book. If you mean a printed thing which has to be bought in a bookshop paying money, I doubt me (or my organization) will ever consider it worth the fuss buying it. I'm not saying a reference printed book is a nasty thing, it is handy to read on the sofa at home during a rainy weekend, and there are cases in which the amount of material is simply too large for any other practical form of documentation (I have read the Postscript Language Reference and part of the X Window System reference in book form, although we did not buy them explicitly, but received them bundled with the OS documentation). But fvwm is not as big as THOSE ... If by book you mean a (free) downloadable PDF document, fine, one can consult it online or print it to read it on the tram. Its usefulness mostly depends on how well written it is ! But, assuming it is well written, why not provide it as a set of HTML pages packed with cross reference links ? [configuring fvwm from an empty config file] me and my needs. And I am sorry but this is not a piece of cake. When I agree it is not a piece of cake. As it is not to start writing one's .procmailrc, or to tweak a sendmail.cf (maybe a Digital Equipment provided one using a SunOS reference manual ... been there done that ... and I'm just a poor astrophycist, not a sysman). But anyway, I just meant man pages are not the ultimate documentation media. Definitely they are not the ultimate documentation LAYOUT, as they are essentially FLAT, irrespective of how one divides them in subsections. But an HTML document arranged in hierarchical manner (maybe more than one, by topic, by increasing complication, by examples) and providing lots of cross reference links is a better reference. Is that a book ? If yes, it can be indeed very useful. -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: Beginners-Infos /Example-Files(simple,please) ?
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Oliver Bandel wrote: BTW: In the xconfig-file there first is started fvwm, then xclock, two xterms, xeyes, and finally (without ) a xterm, with title login. When I finish the login-xterm, X will shutdown. I do not know what xconfig-file is. Anyhow a similar arrangement (using an .xsession or other startup file) was used by me on some older Unixes I used. It does not match my current arrangement under Linux SuSE. The only process started by the X server is the window manager (fvwm) itself, then all other applications are started from .fvmw2rc InitFunction This way fvwm is the leader process of the X session. To logout I use an fvwm menu entry. Probably in your case the last xterm is the leader process (do not know whether titled login, doubt it, or because is a foreground process). In one of my past cases, a login xterm (intended as one running a login shell) was the leader process. In another (DECwindows) the session manager was the nominal leader process, but I remember I set up a single xterm as running a login shell, and sending a kill signal to the session manager. In the SuSE X startup scheme this was not easy to achieve, so I contented myself with logout at fvwm level (actually I logout every 2-3 weeks ...). But all this is barely an fvwm question, more an X question ... Here is, what I have in my fvwm-config: Style foo1 StartsOnDesk 0 AddToFunc StartFunction I Exec exex xterm -T foo1 Do not know about fvwm-config, I use .fvwm2rc In my InitFunction I have all what I need permanently AddToFunc InitFunction + I Exec xterm -geometry +150+85+0+0 + I Exec xsetroot -solid #012C01 + I Exec rclock -geometry 150x1-0+125 -bg Black -fg White + I Exec xdaliclock -seconds -24 -geometry 150x50-0+165 ... + I Exec exec vncviewer -name OldPoseidonVNC -passwd ~/xxx hostxx:1 + I Exec firefox http://sax.iasf-milano.inaf.it/ + I Exec rxvt -name Pine -geometry +0+0 -bg black -fg Coral -fn 9x15 -T Mail\(Pine\) -n Pine -e /poseidon/lucio/bin/mail For some of those applications I force startup on a given page, or other appearances via style Style FvwmPager NoTitle, Sticky, StaysOnTop, WindowListSkip Style rclock Sticky, WindowListSkip, StaysOnTop, StartsLowered,TitleAtBottom Style xdaliclock Sticky, WindowListSkip, StaysOnTop, NoTitle Style xterm Icon xterm.xpm Style rxvt Icon rterm.xpm Style the Icon page2.xpm Style Pine Icon mail1.xpm, StartsOnPage 1 0 1, SkipMapping Style OldPoseidonVNC StartsOnPage 1 1 0, SkipMapping, NoTitle, NoHandles Style Gecko StartsOnPage 1 0 0, SkipMapping, NoPPosition The style has to be somehow associated with an X resource, which is not always obvious to set or get. For instance Gecko is for firefox (started on a special page), hardwired. OldPoseidonVNC is for a VNC viewer (also started on a special page), set by me with -name. Pine is for an rxvt (sort of xterm) running pine and is also set by me with -name (used both to start on a special page and to assign a different icon). In my root menu I have things like these AddToMenu WORK_MENU_popup My Work Menu Title + X TerminalExec xterm + RXVT Exec rxvt + REMOTE HOSTS Popup HOST_MENU_popup + Nop + ScreenLockExec xlock + ScreenSaver Exec xlock -nolock + Restart Fvwm2 Restart + Exit (Logout) Quit -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: Beginners-Infos /Example-Files(simple,please) ?
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jesús Guerrero wrote: Elliot Sowadsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Perhaps the default config should have everything rather than nothing. It's easier to remove features you dont like than to add what you dont know how. What does everything means? Everything for you? Everything for me? Everything for Thomas? mmm, nah, that's impossible. May be after all one should consider that the default SuSE 9.2 configuration was not too bad. I started from that and, in conjunction with the man pages, tweaked configuration items one by one, kept what I liked and commented out all unwanted stuff. I'll try to summarize my procedure a bit by heart and a bit looking at the commented leftovers in .fvwm2rc - I added an iconbox to simulate motif icon gravity as I wanted it - I removed most of the window bar buttons (but learned how to make them) - I personalized the desk top names, number, size - I replaced most of the color sets - I changed icon fonts - I removed a lot of modules from InitFunction : FvwmBanner, FvwmButtons the wallpaper (replaced with xsetroot solid) and kept or added what I wanted/needed FvwmAuto FvwmPager FvwmEvent and some fixed sticky windows, or some application in fixed pages - I consistently edited RestartFunction, ExitFunction - I added or moved functions in the windowops Window menu, including a selection of ways to send a window to given desk and page - I kept all the menus in the menu tree, but moved (hid) it down a branch as Old menus, and kept in my root menu only what I wanted, I also added a submenu to ssh on remote machines I often use - I customised the appearance of FvwmPager - I changed some of the basic styles and added a few for some of the applications I use (mainly to add custom icons) - I added a few mouse accelerators to move across desk and pages, and changed some of the mouse actions (or commented them out), mainly in accordance with removed buttons or functions in window menus -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: Beginners-Infos /Example-Files(simple,please) ?
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my experience with users new to FVWM, there's no easy way for them to create a config that is usable and looks good. They don't spend the time needed and therefore get a bad taste in their mouth and don't return. I do not fully agree. Could we say, if they don't return they do not deserve fvwm ? I was once a beginner, and probably still use less than 30% of fvwm feature, however I was quite determined in what I was wanting (not KDE, something close enough to motif), and read and re-read the man page, and experimented, and got all what I wanted. I started from the SuSE shipped configuration (which purists here say is not very good), got rid of what I did not want, and then started to add what I wanted one by one. Possibly posted a report long time ago. The only thing one can do to help beginners (discussed here a few month ago) is improving the readability of the long man page (using hypertext tricks and classifying the plethora of features by topic). -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Parv wrote: wrote Lucio Chiappetti thusly... while for moving windows the most frequent way for me is to stick it to all pages and desks, change page, then eventually unstick it. Second choice is drag in the pager. Yet another way, similar to (un)sticking a window, is to iconify the window on the current page; switch to your destination page; uniconify previously iconified window. That's true. I forgot. The fact is that, since when I use fvwm (or any other multi-desktop Wm) I tend to iconize windows much less than I did on older single-page WMs (to make room). Actually I find a bit disturbing the feature that an iconized window belongs to all pages and desktops. My natural expectation would be that an iconized window remain quiescent just on the original page. Is there some fvmw trick to obtain that ? Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: Sticky Icons (was: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager)
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Rainer Koehler wrote: Actually I find a bit disturbing the feature that an iconized window belongs to all pages and desktops. Sure, just _don't_ use the style option StickyIcon ;-) Thanks to everybody who replied. In fact I had StickyIcon in an unedited part of the .fvwm2rc inherited from the SuSE default configuration. Apparently commenting that out, or using Style * SlipperyIcon (is there any difference ?) reverts back to the sensible default behaviour. BTW, my (SuSE 9.2 bundled, rather old) fvwm man page calls the option sometimes SlipperIcon, sometimes SlipperyIcon. Is it a typo ? Corrected in later versions ? -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Chris G wrote: If I had multiple desktops then (I think) each desktop would have its own desktop name in the FvwmPager window title area. Depends how you work. Well yes, hence my question! :-) When I moved to fvwm, after a bit of experimenting I settled on two desktops with 4 pages (in a 2x2 arrangement ... I used a 1x4 once on a laptop with a screen size different from my workstation ... I usually keep the pager and the clock sticky in the top right corner, but on the laptop I moved them to a bottom bar) each. I originally expected to be able somehow to give a name to the pages (which could have been just a sequence number) which could appear somewhere as a visual reminder of where I'm in. I'd liked also to have different background (solid) colours for each page, mirrored in the pager. But at the end I can live well without those things. The sticky pager with the red active window and an highlighted active page colour is enough to tell me where I am, together with the mini icons of the windows which tell me what the various pages are used for. I ended with a Main desktop and a Secondary desktop (no fancy names). My original idea was to work at different projects in a flexible way in the 4 pages of the main dt, while the secondary dt was intended for network stuff. In fact I originally planned to keep firefox in one page, mail (pine) in another, and a VNC session onto an headless machine in another (the 4th was spare). This is initialized at startup in the .fvwmrc. Now I hardly use the VNC page, but maybe deposit in the 2 spare pages a PDF document (triggered in the browser or mail agent) for later reading. I have some reproducible patterns of windows in the main dt pages, but I start them manually when I need them. Not all days are equal ! Can I move applications between desktops as I can between windows at the moment, is it slower to switch desktops rather than windows, etc.? Thanks to Thomas Adam for the explanation about window (un)mapping etc. In practice I hardly noticed any difference between switching or moving windows across pages or across desks. I originally defined a lot of accelerators to switch pages and desks and to attach to window menus to move a window to (occupy) another page or desk, but I found that I almost never use them. Usually I switch desks and pages via the pager (rarely dragging a window to a neighbouring page), while for moving windows the most frequent way for me is to stick it to all pages and desks, change page, then eventually unstick it. Second choice is drag in the pager. -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Dominique Michel wrote: unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. With commercial distributions, it is more complicated. As example Suse is very involved in kde development and it can be a political choice to not provide a decent fvwm version anymore. That even if yast is fvwm based. Are you saying that recent SuSE's do not have fvwm any more ? My SuSE 9.2 had one which was satisfactory for me to customize. If 10.x does not have it, it's one more reason not to upgrade ... -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: Locales problem in a menu script
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, Dominique Michel wrote: Another way will be to test the locale in use, and sed the value to change the point against a comma when needed. But I have no idea where I can test the locale. I have never played with locales, quite hate them and happily stick to the C locale, but shouldn't be there an environment variable to test OR CHANGE, and could one not bracket such setenv in a subshell like (setenv =yyy ; command) ? I've used the trick for timezones, e.g. to know the time in Iceland one could (setenv TZ :/usr/share/zoneinfo/Atlantic/Reykjavik ; date) I do that (in sh syntax because of the SSI include directives) e.g. in http://sax.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/WWW/Personal/timezones.html !--#exec cmd=TZ=:/usr/share/zoneinfo/Atlantic/Reykjavik ; export TZ ; date-- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: How to start several Desktops?
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006, Michelle Konzack wrote: Generaly I am working with Pages (3x2) but now I need several independant Desktops without starting a second or third xserver. Not sure why you'd want it Historically I have this in my .fvwm2rc DeskTopName 0 Main DeskTop DeskTopName 1 Secondary DeskTop DeskTopSize 2x2 unfortunately all desktops must have the same number of pages and page arrangement. The idea when I did this was to use the main desktop as my working area (xterms and alike) and the secondary desktop for special/network applications. In fact I still start firefox in desk 1 pag 1, and an xterm with pine (mail) in desk 1 pag 3. I used to start a VNC viewer on my old remote Alpha in desk 1 pag 2, but since that's now almost always off, I end up using the two desktops more or less as additional pages. I also added this to the typical window menu, so I can force a window to occupy a given page in a given desktop from the menu ... AddToMenu windowops Window menu (Shift-Alt-Space) Title ... originl content + 0ccupy desktop and page ... Popup windowsend AddToMenu windowsend # Send to ... Title + desk ... Popup windowwspmenu + page ... Popup windowpagmenu AddToMenu windowwspmenu # Send to Desk Title + 1 Main MoveToDesk 0 0 + 2 Secondary MoveToDesk 0 1 AddToMenu windowpagmenu # Send to Page Title + 1 MoveToPage 0 0 + 2 MoveToPage 1 0 + 3 MoveToPage 0 1 + 4 MoveToPage 1 1 I also added this to the root menu to be able the switch desktop AddToMenu WORK_MENU_popup My Work Menu Title + Main Wsp GotoDesk 0 0 + Secondary Wsp GotoDesk 0 1 + Toggle Wsp GotoDesk prev And I also added some accelerators to do it #LC added accelerators to change workspace #control-1 2 n from desk root go to workspace 0 1 n-1 #control-0 toggles workspace #shift arrows move among pages in relative way #note that since focus cannot be given to root it might be necessary to #position on a window title or side to execute the command #Key code context modifiers function PointerKey 0 R C GotoDesk prev PointerKey 1 R C GotoDesk 0 0 PointerKey 2 R C GotoDesk 0 1 PointerKey Right R S GotoPage +1p 0p PointerKey Left R S GotoPage -1p 0p PointerKey UpR S GotoPage 0p -1p PointerKey Down R S GotoPage 0p +1p however I use these things very rarely (only when I have to run a sequence of applications switching repeatedly desks and pages). I end up to change desktop and move windows across using the pager, or, often, I make a window sticky, then change via pager, and find the window there, and eventually unstick it. I've also checked what I did once I exported my fvwm arrangement to a laptop I brought at a meeting ... but it's nothing peculiar. I exported my 2 desktop arrangement, only I made DeskToSize 4x1 because I needed a long thin pager on the bottom of the screen (which was not my preferred 1280x1024). If you are wanting to run separate desks for sessions on remote machines, you'd probably consider running VNC viewers tied to those machine, each one in full screen in a separate page or desk. If you want the remote machine login screen in the viewer, that's require some unusual configuration of the remote X and VNC servers (at least it did with a remote Alpha, I've never run the server end on Linux), but this is OT here. Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: Focus behavior, like KDE
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Martin Swift wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 01:05:31PM -0400, Enzo López wrote: I would like to have the focus as KDE or win98. In other words, the window active only when I click in it. I guess it's a simple matter but I can't find the way to do it. I personally hate such click-to-type behaviour and prefer FollowsMouse but I guess it would be a matter of setting another value for the same resource. I can't remember whether my original setup (SuSE bundled) had already FollowsMouse or if I set it up Also I would like to change the color like MWM. Can someone give some directions please? I'm not sure what you mean exactly by that. I believe you'll have to dive into Colorsets. Again, well documented PS. There is also a short section titled MWM COMPATIBILITY which you I have a personal arrangement which closely resembles my old (spartan) mwm arrangement on a DEC alpha and I'm pretty sure I did not use any of the above (though I read the man page !). I'm trying to list the relevant entries, for focus I have these (I believe they were in the original configuration, they are not noted as modified by me) ColormapFocus FollowsMouse Style * SloppyFocus I have the default Colorsets (WITHOUT FvwmTheme) and I have Style * HilightBack Red so that the window which has focus has red decorations (as in my old mwm arrangement ... I haven't changed the colour for inactive windows though). I've also simplified the buttons in the title bar, but I guess that would be more a matter of taste (I did simplify it even in mwm), so I won't report this here. Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html Berlusconi's contract with Italians - Explained! (adapted from Usenet 1996) Contract: verb 1) To shrink or reduce in size - the economy contracted 2) To become infected - he contracted pneumonia when they stopped my welfare
Re: FVWM: add to root menu
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006, Wendell Turner wrote: Is there an easy way to add a custom entry to the beginning of the root menu? In my .fvm2rc (I'm almost the only one FVWM user in a mainly KDE place), which is based on the one distributed with Suse 9.2, I've done something slightly beyond i.e. - I have a quite short root menu of my own - which includes as submenu a list of some original menus - of which the first is the original root menu On my system the root menu has key and mouse bindings under the name WORK_MENU_popup, so what I have done is to edit its entry as AddToMenu WORK_MENU_popup My Work Menu Title (1) + Nop (2) + X Terminal Exec xterm(3) ... list of some of my own applications (3) + Nop (2) + Old menus Popup OLD_MENU_popup (4) ... list of my own screensaver, restart, quit (3) (1) just changed the mnemonic name in quotes (2) separators (3) added entirely by me (4) invocation of old stuff Then I added a new menu like this AddToMenu OLD_MENU_popup Old Menus Title + Old root menu Popup OLD_WORK_MENU_popup + WindowManager Popup THISWM_MENU_popup + SUSE Popup xdg_menu and then I have the original menus unchanged where I renamed the popup name in the first line, e.g. AddToMenu OLD_WORK_MENU_popup Work Menu Title
Re: FVWM: Background window
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Julien Guertault wrote: I am trying to define a style for a clock application so it behaves as if it were part of the wallpaper. I use for one of my clocks : Style xdaliclock Sticky, WindowListSkip, StaysOnTop, NoTitle but I guess this is not exactly what you want. I say one of my clocks because this one displays nicely the time, but I use another one for the date (actually I use the date in the WINDOW TITLE of rclock and start it with a geometry which is entirely hidden under xdaliclock. For rclock I use just style Style rclock Sticky, WindowListSkip, because at the time I did not know how to force stacking at start time ... May be should I just start it shaded ? Can this be done ? Essentially what I achieve now is that I have three tiny windows in my screen top right corner, from top to bottom : the pager, the date, the time. And they remain ALWAYS ON TOP ... with the exception of the date, if I move another window close to the right edge of the screen it may be partly obscured below the pager and time but obscure the date. Anyhow I find useful to have those things on top, because in some of my screens I ran VNC full screen on other machines, and use the pager to revert to local screens. Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: acroread window problem
I have been away for some weeks, but now I'm trying to solve my problem of acroread invoked by a link in firefox (the acroread window is lowered under the browser window) On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Thomas Adam wrote: What happens is that, when I click on the pdf URL, firefox first correctly displays the Opening something.pdf transient window, then Odd. I downloaded Acroreader to see if I could reproduce this. I can't. Indeed, using Firefox (1.0.7) just starts Acroread externally without any intermediary transient window. I use firefox version bundled with Suse 9.2 firefox -version answers 0.10. firefox about windows says Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10 Anyhow the presence of the transient window might depend on user preferences. If one'd ever ticked on always use this application for this type of files I guess one won't see the transient window. But since the firefox mechanism of keeping track of helper applications vs mime types is much poorer than the old one used by netscape, and since in particular with PDF I'd often want to switch between save-to-disk and visualize, I've never ticked on this. Which version of FVWM are you running? lucio 2 fvwm -V fvwm 2.5.10 compiled on Oct 4 2004 at 19:34:01 with support for: ReadLine, Stroke, XPM, PNG, Shape, XShm, SM, Bidi text, Xinerama, XRender, XFT, NLS Does: Style Acroread StartsRaised help any? That style line is now incorrect. With the version of Acroreader I have here (7.0.5), the Class of the window is 'Acroread'. (Case is important). I know case is important, but is there an easy utility to know the class name of an X application (I usually try xwininfo or editres but with no avail) ? And why do they change #$%%#$ !? My (Suse-bundled) acrobat is 5.0.9 if that makes any difference I believe AcroRead is applicable to me. Style AcroRead StartsRaised, StaysOnTop seems to work (but is too much ... I do not want it to stay on top forever, just not to disappear too soon As I said in the original post, StartsRaised alone either does not work or works for the first time only then it looks like acroread remembers the old stacking position. On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Dominik Vogt wrote: Does this help: Style * !RaiseTransient, !LowerTransient, !StackTransientParent Unfortunately not. Hm, since you did not say which fvwm version you have the correct stylenames may be Style * DontRaiseTransient,DontLowerTransient,DontStackTransientParent see part of reply above for version. According to manpage the Dont form should be applicable to me, Anyhow it has no effect. Firefox or acroread may use different methods to raise their windows. Please try all of the following lines one by after the other in the config file. [...omissis...] will do it soon, but before I'd like an opinion based on your other comment (here below) (and make sure you don't have FvwmAuto or FvwmEvent running and raising windows). unfortunately I have just that ! Module FvwmAuto 500 in the InitFunction and RestartFunction (according to an old note which says they are required for AutoRaise to work) and I have Module FvwmEvent Event-FF in InitFunction which is related to a piece of code specific of firefox (to force its window to preserve position) DestroyModuleConfig Event-FF: * *Event-FF: Cmd Function *Event-FF: PassId *Event-FF: add_window ResizeFireFox DestroyFunc ResizeFireFox AddToFunc ResizeFireFox + I ThisWindow (Gecko !Transient) Resize 707p 980p Is this containing something radically wrong ? Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: acroread window problem
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: What happens is that, when I click on the pdf URL, firefox first correctly displays the Opening something.pdf transient window, then the acroread window pops up and disappears under the firefox window. which is inconvenient when the firefox window is large and obscures the acrobat window (if part of it will be visible I could move the pointer into it to give focus). All this is likely to be even more unconvenient in the case I'm thinking of (making a presentation based on firefox and acroread). Well, apparently I've found a very simple solution (without changing any of my other autofocus stuff) Style AcroRead StartsRaised, FPGrabFocus I noticed that the sequence was : - firefox has focus I click on URL - popup opening xxx.pdf appears AND GETS FOCUS I click OK - acroread window appears behind the firefox window (or in front but soon moves behind) and HAS NO FOCUS. The FPGrabFocus gives focus to it, and this is enough to keep it on top of the browser window ! Thanks anyhow to all. Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
FVWM: acroread window problem
I'm experiencing the following problem with acrobat reader windows which are started clicking on a pdf URL (http://somewhere/something.pdf) from my firefox browser. I'd like to make a set of web pages for a presentation, and keep some auxiliary material in PDF files I can recall. I'd like to keep the firefox window as large as possible (maybe even full screen although I usually do not use it) What happens is that, when I click on the pdf URL, firefox first correctly displays the Opening something.pdf transient window, then Acrobat Reader starts, but is immediately lowered behind the firefox window, before I can even move to give focus to it. This is highly inconvenient. I'd like to have the acrobat window on top, so that I can give focus (with the mouse), move it so that it overlaps only partially the browser window and toggle front/back (with mouse focus, or eventually menu buttons) This is an extract of my .fvwm2rc of what I think are relevant parts ... some general styles Style * SmartPlacement Style * NoPPosition Style * HilightBack Red Style * SloppyFocus Style * DecorateTransient Style * ManualPlacementIgnoresStartsOnPage, ActivePlacementIgnoresStartsOnPage ... things related to the browsers Style Gecko StartsOnPage 1 0 0, SkipMapping, NoPPosition Style Netscape StartsOnPage 1 0 0, SkipMapping, NoPPosition Style mozilla-bin StartsOnPage 1 0 0, SkipMapping, NoPPosition ... things related to acrobat (part of standard config file distributed with SuSE 9.2, I did not write this). I've no idea what the bug number refers to. # see bug #36189 Style AcroRead SmartPlacement, RandomPlacement I tried adding StaysOnBottom to the browsers, but that is not what I want, since I cannot raise the browser window any more. I tried replacing all in Style AcroRead with StartsRaised but does not look to work (it does the first time, then if window is lowered, acrobat remembers ... could it be ?) I tried adding StaysOnTop to Style AcroRead ... which again is not what I want. I could force acroread into another page, but I'd prefer to have it on front in the same page. Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: acroread window problem
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Dominik Vogt wrote: Does this help: Style * !RaiseTransient, !LowerTransient, !StackTransientParent Unfortunately not. I do not pretend to understand what the above should do, but I do not think that Acrobat Reader as started by firefox is transient (maybe the popup window which asks me whether I want to save to disk or display with is a transient of firefox, but acroread should be a totally separated application, I presume) Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: Fvwm forum replacing the mailing list
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Chris Alexander wrote: I will always prefer a mailing list. A mailing list comes to me, I don't have to go looking for it. I also DEFINITELY prefer mailing lists. Newsgroups may be acceptable. I really can't stand forums, each of them has a different web interface, and I find this painful (while I read mail and news with the same interface). Given the limited traffic on fvwm (this mondary morning was one of the peaks), I find no trouble in deleting the majority of mails which do not concern or interest me, to save for future reference the unsolicited (by me) ones which I find may interest me, to interact in the few cases I have something to contribute, and I am quite pleased to have SOON a reply coming DIRECTLY TO ME when I post a query. Gateway between mailing list and forum could be acceptable, but it should hide e-mail addresses. I am subscribed to a mailing list which is gatewayed with a NG, and just for that reason use a dedicated nospam account to post to it ! Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: FVWM : how to echo a string to current window ?
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Fernando Poza Saura wrote: An idea. If you are executing a ssesion in a remote host, that means [...] And then, if all the previous suppositions are ok, you could add an alias in one of those files associating any key with your complex command (commands). You know: alias kk='complex comands' Thanks, but that's not what I'm interested in. The strings I need have to be supplied in input to an application, not to a shell !
Summary Re: FVWM: fvwm, SuSE, backing store
I asked about missing backing store for some application windows under
FVWM under Linux SuSE. It looks like it is not a FVWM issue but an Xserver
issue.
First of all Dan Espen suggested a way to check whether the server has it
xdpyinfo | grep back
options:backing-store NO, save-unders NO
Then Rainer Koehler commented about one specific application (RSI IDL)
I've used IDL on Solaris and Linux, and I always had to tell it to use
it's own backing store by putting device,retain=2 into its
startup-file.
I discovered the RETAIN option of IDL myself looking in the manual (but my
experience on Digital Unix and Solaris was that the system WAS providing
backing store so I never needed it before).
That would fix this single application nicely. It won't fix a less modern
application of mine which relies on the server.
The clue came again from Dan Espen :
To turn it on, it your Xorg.conf file add to the Device section:
Option BackingStore True
Option SaveUnders True
I read again the xorg.conf, X and also Xorg and Xservers man pages, and
they are not so explicit or clear about this option, but apparently
putting the first of the two options in /etc/X11/xorg,conf (if SuSE won't
overwrite it next time) does the trick for all applications. I tried also
with both options, and it works too, but the second one is apparently
unnecessary (the xorg log file says not used).
I'll try to leave it turned on and see whether I notice performance
degradation (so far not).
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FVWM: fvwm, SuSE, backing store
Having recently moved from Alpha to SuSE Linux (using fvwm as window manager, but kdm to start X as default with SuSE [9.2]) I've noticed a funny behaviour in some applications : (1) RSI IDL plot windows seems not to have any backing store. When they are obscured I lose the obscured part, when I move them to another dekstop page I lose all. (on Alpha they used to behave like that only after several days the server was running, like it had exhausted backing store memory) NB xwininfo returns Backing Store State: Always Save Under State: no (2) a small application of mine (Fortran wrapped around C Xlib calls) has a similar behaviour (on Alpha it did work). Windows are created with flag=CWBitGravity|CWWinGravity|CWBackingStore; XChangeWindowAttributes(dpy,win,flag,attrib); (3) the Hessling editor (the) in Xcurses mode sometimes presents a problem (when I do a large mouse cut-an-paste it hangs, and then if I obscure part of the edit window it remains white and deprived of textual content). This behaviour occurred also (more frequently) on Alpha and is possibly unrelated with the other two (looks more an overflow of the clipboard) Anyhow xthe windows return to xwininfo Backing Store State: NotUseful Save Under State: no which is also what xterm or rxvt do (and they work) Now I wonder whether this has anything to do with fvwm or with the X server. I tried adding this to my .fvwmrc, but with no effect Style * BackingStore Style * SaveUnder I have no idea of how to check whether backing store is enabled in the X server. It looks like the server runs as /usr/X11R6/bin/X -nolisten tcp -br vt7 -auth blabla but some of those options are undocumented in the X man page (and it does not mention backing store). Any clue ? Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.mi.iasf.cnr.it/~lucio/personal.html -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: turn off FvwmButtons
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Bill Jehle wrote:
Hi, I want to turn off fvwmbuttons and use WinListDesk. (Is Fwmbuttons
what controls the norm icons that end up in, say, an IconBox?)
I may not be the most qualified to answer as a fvwm newbie. I just
configured my (SuSE off the shelf) .fvwm2rc to get rid of Fvwmbuttons
commenting out its invocation in the start and restart section.
to have an icon box (actually a pile of icons in the bottom right of the
screen as I was used to) I added
Style * IconBox -20 0 -1 -1 , IconFill bottom right
Style * StickyIcon
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Re: FVWM: SPAM Available
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would first wonder why you can't just require membership to submit mail, which should nearly eliminate the problem. Otherwise, perhaps you just need a quarantine for non-members, wherein the anonymous mail is moderated. I support such a view ! Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.mi.iasf.cnr.it/~lucio/personal.html -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FVWM: double click in fvwm ?
In the attempt of emulating my favourite (Motif/CDE simplified on Alpha) look and feel I almost succeeded to get all what I want, except for handling double clicks. - Ideally I want all windows to be decorated with a single button (window menu button) on the left (I have it and another button now) - and a title bar, a single click on the title bar with a mouse button (I don't care which since I usually don't remember and try each one in turn) shall also call the window menu (I have it) - double clicking on the title bar should iconize the window. THIS I DO NOT HAVE. I replaced it with an iconify button on the right, and with the use of a single click with mouse button 3 - also I'd like to to de-iconize an icon with a double click (presently instead I have to use a SINGLE click) What I have (made mainly editing the SuSE .fvwm2rc, commenting out unwanted parts and a few edits) does work adequately, but still I am missing double clicks. I tried using Stroke but it does not work. How is double click handled ? excerpt from .fvmw2rc # Mouse bindings # comment buttons to disable them # remember buttons are 1 3 5 7 9 on side 0 8 6 4 2 on other side # reassign iconify to 2 to destroy button 4 # comment also button 2 to eliminate it altogether Mouse 0 2 A Iconify # # add to iconify with double click ? # Mouse 0 T A # Stroke 00 1 T A Iconify # provisionally use mouse 3 Mouse 3 T A Iconify Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.mi.iasf.cnr.it/~lucio/personal.html -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FVWM: FVWM and Linux SuSE
I'm a newcomer to FVWM (version 2.5.10 under SuSe Linux 9.2, i.e. the version which ships with the SuSE distribution). My background was mainly the one of a mwm and CDE (although with a peculiar look !) user under DEC OSF 3.2 and 4.0. I successfully managed to customize fvwm starting from the .fvwm2rc distributed with SuSE. However I note that my .xsession-errors contains the following messages FvwmTheme is obsolete, see the Colorset section of the fvwm(1) man page Cannot parse color dtcolor5 couldn't create gradient Cannot parse color dtcolor5 couldn't create gradient WARNING: '/etc/xdg/menus/suse-screensavers.menu' does not exist WARNING: '/etc/xdg/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu' does not exist /bin/sh: susewmif: command not found I believe the first bunch of messages derives from this group of statements in the original .fvwm2rc which I did not dare to delete. # 0 = Default colors # 1 = Inactive windows # 2 = Active windows # 3 = Inactive menu entry and menu background # 4 = Active menu entry # 5 = greyed out menu entry (only bg used) # 6 = module foreground and background) # 7 = hilight colors *FvwmTheme: Colorset 0 fg black, bg rgb:6f/a1/dc *FvwmTheme: Colorset 1 fg black, bg rgb:a1/b2/c8 *FvwmTheme: Colorset 2 fg black, bg rgb:70/a2/dd *FvwmTheme: Colorset 3 fg black, bg rgb:c8/d3/e5, VGradient 100 dtcolor5 rgb:c8/d3/e5 *FvwmTheme: Colorset 4 fg black, bg rgb:91/ae/d6 *FvwmTheme: Colorset 5 fg rgb:d2/bf/a8, bg rgb:b4/aa/94 *FvwmTheme: Colorset 6 fg black, bg rgb:b4/aa/94, VGradient 100 dtcolor5 rgb:b4/aa/94 *FvwmTheme: Colorset 7 fg black, bg rgb:94/ab/bf # run FvwmTheme before anything else is done ModuleSynchronous Timeout 5 FvwmTheme The last message should derive from the second line of InitFunction. Apparently this susewmif is neither installed nor documented on my system. AddToFunc InitFunction # +I Module FvwmBanner + I Exec susewmif xmessages I can't trace the two warnings (about non existing menu definitions) in my .fvwm2rc. In any case : - can I assume the above messages are harmless ? - can I just comment out the statements which generate them ? - any other hint ? Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.mi.iasf.cnr.it/~lucio/personal.html -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FVWM: FVWM and FireFox browser
I'm trying to configure fvwm (2.5.10 unde SuSE Linux) with two desktops. Desktop 0 should be the main (local) work desktop, desktop 1 should host some permanent outer world applications started at login, like e.g. a VNC viewer to connect to another machine, or a web browser. I've chosen Mozilla Firefox as web browser because of its lightness. However I'm unable to convince it to start in the designated desktop and page (I'm also unable to convince it to start with the window geometry I want, it looks like it ignores any standard X style resource specification on the command line ... and also those regarding initial desktop location). This is an extract from my .fvwm2rc. The part on the VNC viewer works, the part on firefox does not. AddToFunc InitFunction ... + I Exec exec vncviewer -name OldPoseidonVNC -passwd myfile myhost:1 + I Exec firefox http://myhomepage I tried (for firefox) also Exec exec or a -name directive, but with no avail. Style OldPoseidonVNC StartsOnPage 1 1 0, SkipMapping Style firefox Page 1 0 0, SkipMapping, NoPPosition The style for the specific VNC viewer works nicely, but the one for firefox does not (I tried also without NoPPosition, with a -name matching the one in InitFunction, with a name of firefox or firefox-bin ... but all with no avail. Firefox insists in starting in desktop 0. I also noticed that firefox creates a bunch of .gnome related directories. Is there any known incompatibility between firefox and fvwm, or, better, any known trick to start firefox under fvwm in a given desktop ? Thanks in advance Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.mi.iasf.cnr.it/~lucio/personal.html -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
