Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-10 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 06:59 +, Neil Walker wrote: Iain Buchanan wrote: I'm starting to stray OT here, but I'm considering a second-hand Adaptec 2420SA - this is real hardware raid right? It's a PCI-X card (not PCI-E). Are you sure that's right for your system? yes, I have an old

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 03:29:50 Dale wrote: Well, actually, if hal would have worked I wouldn't have cared if it uses xorg.conf at all. That was the point of using hal. Thing is, I followed the howto and it didn't

[gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Thanks for a hint, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 07:31 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: so long as you didn't have any non-detectable disk errors before removing the disk, or any drive failure while one of the

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 07:31 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: so long as you didn't have any non-detectable disk errors before removing the disk, or any drive failure while one of the

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 10 Feb, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 10 Feb, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 10 Feb, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 10 Feb, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:24:36 -0600, Dale wrote: hal is a classic Second System Effect case But I thought we thrashed this to death a while ago and all agreed to never speak of this abomination again, while we await the Third System Effect aka DeviceKit? From what I read it appears to

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 10:36:35 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 11:38:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:24:36 -0600, Dale wrote: hal is a classic Second System Effect case But I thought we thrashed this to death a while ago and all agreed to never speak of this abomination again, while we await the Third

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:24:36 -0600, Dale wrote: hal is a classic Second System Effect case But I thought we thrashed this to death a while ago and all agreed to never speak of this abomination again, while we

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 10 Feb, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 10:36:35 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 12:32:11 Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 10 Feb, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 10:36:35 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-10 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 00:22:31 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 08:47 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: I now only need to figure out the best way to configure LVM over this to get the best performance from it. Does anyone know of a decent way of figuring this out? I got 6

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-10 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 08:08:44 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 01:22:31 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 08:47 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: I now only need to figure out the best way to configure LVM over this to get the best performance from it. Does

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, J. Roeleveld wrote: As for recovery, I always use sysrescuecd (http://www.sysresccd.org) and this has Raid and LVM support in it. (Same with the Gentoo-livecds) sysrescuecd failed me hard two nights ago. 64bit kernel paniced with stack corruptions, 32bit kernel

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-10 Thread Alan Mackenzie
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:39:14PM -0500, dhk wrote: Do you have xfce-base/xfdesktop installed? Try installing it. No, as it happens, I didn't. When I tried # emerge xfdesktop , the compiler threw a segfault. It does this reproducibly. Bother! I don't have any fancy C\(XX\)?FLAGS

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-10 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 02:28:59 Stroller wrote: On 9 Feb 2010, at 19:37, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... Don't get me started on those ;) The reason I use Linux Software Raid is because: 1) I can't afford hardware raid adapters 2) It's generally faster then hardware fakeraid I'd

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-10 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 12:03:51 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, J. Roeleveld wrote: As for recovery, I always use sysrescuecd (http://www.sysresccd.org) and this has Raid and LVM support in it. (Same with the Gentoo-livecds) sysrescuecd failed me hard two

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 12:03:51 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, J. Roeleveld wrote: As for recovery, I always use sysrescuecd (http://www.sysresccd.org) and this has Raid and LVM support in it. (Same with the

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Also, are you aware that as of yesterday, KDE-4.4 was still hard masked in $PORTDIR/profiles/package.mask? It may have been removed meanwhile since my last sync. Maybe some of us synced in the middle of a update then? I

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 11:38:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:24:36 -0600, Dale wrote: hal is a classic Second System Effect case But I thought we thrashed this to death a while ago and all

[gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Christian Apeltauer
Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. But I really like kmail as my mail client, so I give it a last

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 10:27:32AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as it should. Then how did things manage to work on my systems for the past 9 years, pray tell? --

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 14:57:57 Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 10:27:32AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as it should. Then how did things

[gentoo-user] old kernel (kcore)?

2010-02-10 Thread James
Hello, I booted up an old system off our a minimal 2006.1 cd I'm looking for the kernel to copy it. Is it this kcore file? proc # file kcore kcore: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'vmlinux' If not does somebody know what the name, or

Re: [gentoo-user] old kernel (kcore)?

2010-02-10 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 14:51:26 James wrote: Hello, I booted up an old system off our a minimal 2006.1 cd I'm looking for the kernel to copy it. Is it this kcore file? proc # file kcore kcore: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style,

Re: [gentoo-user] old kernel (kcore)?

2010-02-10 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Hello, I booted up an old system off our a minimal 2006.1 cd I'm looking for the kernel to copy it. Is it this kcore file? proc # file kcore kcore: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style,

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as it should. Then how did things manage to work on my systems for the past 9 years, pray tell?

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as it should. Then how did

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. you

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-10 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:39:14PM -0500, dhk wrote: Do you have xfce-base/xfdesktop installed?  Try installing it. No, as it happens, I didn't.  When I tried    # emerge xfdesktop , the compiler threw a segfault.  It does

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 2/10/2010 2:12 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 03:29:50 Dale wrote: Well, actually, if hal would have worked I wouldn't have cared if it uses xorg.conf at all. That was the point of using hal. Thing is, I followed the howto and it didn't work. The fact that the

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 17:33:46 Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:39:14PM -0500, dhk wrote: Do you have xfce-base/xfdesktop installed? Try installing it. No, as it happens, I didn't. When I tried

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 2/10/2010 2:12 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 03:29:50 Dale wrote: Well, actually, if hal would have worked I wouldn't have cared if it uses xorg.conf at all. That was the point of using hal. Thing

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 23:58:10 Dale wrote: So, hal may be progress to you but it is a step backward for me. It's the opposite of progress. You mean HAL = Congress? Sorry, couldn't resist ;) And now, back on topic :)

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-10 Thread Stroller
On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:14, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 02:28:59 Stroller wrote: On 9 Feb 2010, at 19:37, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... Don't get me started on those ;) The reason I use Linux Software Raid is because: 1) I can't afford hardware raid adapters 2) It's generally

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-10 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 17:33:46 Mark Knecht wrote: SNIP Is it just me? On a new install I always still to an emerge -e @world once I get to a working text based boot and I've done any modification to

[gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Stroller
Hi there, Upgrading some packages today I saw: Qt3 is deprecated and unsupported, both upstream and by the Gentoo Qt Project. x11-libs/qt:3 will be removed from portage soon. See http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_f988855f798764822704bbbd743ab6f7.xml You are encouraged to use Qt4

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread James Ausmus
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.ukwrote: Hi there, Upgrading some packages today I saw: Qt3 is deprecated and unsupported, both upstream and by the Gentoo Qt Project. x11-libs/qt:3 will be removed from portage soon. See

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Stroller wrote: because qt-VERSION is being phased out. You are supposed to use the split qt ebuilds. qt-VERSION is just a meta package. And luckily, all qt-BLABLA-4.5.3 ebuilds are marked stable. ALSO: from the qt-4.5.3 ebuild: KEYWORDS=~alpha amd64 arm hppa

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 12:18:59 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)??? ALSO: from the qt-4.5.3 ebuild: KEYWORDS=~alpha

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-10 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 17:37:47 Stroller wrote: On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:14, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 02:28:59 Stroller wrote: On 9 Feb 2010, at 19:37, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... Don't get me started on those ;) The reason I use Linux Software Raid is because:

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: Hi there, Upgrading some packages today I saw: Qt3 is deprecated and unsupported, both upstream and by the Gentoo Qt Project. x11-libs/qt:3 will be removed from portage soon. See

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:59:16 +, Stroller wrote: The message posted to Gentoo-dev suggests that Qt3 is going away right about NOW, but this doesn't seem to add up to what I'm seeing. The message says it will be masked on Feb 21st and removed on March 21st. So you have eleven days to add

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 schrieb Christian Apeltauer: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Am Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Tuesday 09 February 2010 23:58:10 Dale wrote: So, hal may be progress to you but it is a step backward for me. It's the opposite of progress. You mean HAL = Congress? Sorry, couldn't resist ;) And now, back on

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:59:16 +, Stroller wrote: The message posted to Gentoo-dev suggests that Qt3 is going away right about NOW, but this doesn't seem to add up to what I'm seeing. The message says it will be

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:59:16 +, Stroller wrote: The message posted to Gentoo-dev suggests that Qt3 is going away right about NOW, but this doesn't seem to add up to

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:30:19 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I seem to have them both installed with only my old version of MYthTV requiring qt-3.3.8 That's easy then, switch to MythTV 0.22, it's much better :) -- Neil Bothwick I do not like this dumb machine I really ought to sell it. It never

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:30:19 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I seem to have them both installed with only my old version of MYthTV requiring qt-3.3.8 That's easy then,

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:20:09 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: So am I at any great risk doing an emerge -C qt-3.3 and then expecting revdep-rebuild to fix up mythtv-0.21 with qt-4 using whatever it has ffor qt3-support? I'm __really__ not ready to upgrade my whole MythTV setup 0.22 if 0.21

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:19:37 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: And I cannot update mythfrontend on my desktop machine without updating EVERY machine on the network to 0.22, so that's 2 desktops, 2 dedicated machines hooked to TVs and the server. That's a lot of work just because someone decides they

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:30:19 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I seem to have them both installed with only my old version of MYthTV requiring qt-3.3.8 That's easy then, switch to MythTV 0.22, it's much better :) -- Neil

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Manuel McLure
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: Upgrading from 0.21 to 0.22 was painless AFAIR. I made a backup of the database but didn't need. You do need to upgrade all backends and frontends at the same time, but then it's just a matter of restarting them and

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 19:22:01 BRM wrote: - Original Message From: Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 12:18:59 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 18:37:00 Mark Knecht wrote: gcc rebuilds itself twice to ensure that the binary is built with the same version as the result, and verifies that the last two are bit-wise identical. Then building the toolchain, then building the rest of world gives you exactly

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread pk
Neil Bothwick wrote: Because nine years ago, Linux desktop software didn't use interprocess communication. Of course things will still work, but not necessarily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-process_communication http://tldp.org/LDP/tlk/ipc/ipc.html D-Bus is just a YAIPC

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-10 Thread Stroller
On 10 Feb 2010, at 17:26, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... The mainboard I use (ASUS M3N-WS) has a working hotswap support (Yes, I tested this) using hotswap drive bays. Take a disk out, Linux actually sees it being removed prior to writing to it and when I stick it back in, it gets a new device

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Stroller
On 10 Feb 2010, at 20:27, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... The qt- subpackages are very much alive and stable: $ eix qt-gui [I] x11-libs/qt-gui Available versions: (4) 4.5.3-r2 (~)4.6.1 **4.6.-r1[1] **4.- r1[1] {+accessibility aqua cups dbus debug exceptions +glib gtk +kde-qt

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again

2010-02-10 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: Well I only had some issues with packages that didn't have a 4.4 version, like soliduiserver. So I guessed they don't need that anymore and a removed it. Turned out it was a hard block because I had it in world. so? set -virtuoso

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Roy Wright
On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Roy Wright
On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP Again, I cannot see the 0.22 gives me anything I care about but there's no way to know until I commit to making the change. Cheers, Mark if everything works, why are you even bothering with

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP Again, I cannot see the 0.22 gives me anything I care about but there's no way to know until I commit to making the change. Cheers, Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Jörg Schaible wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP firefly ~ # emerge -pvg =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 Ah, instead I should use emerge --usepkg =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 No errors or warnings. Nice! Now Myth works no matter what happens in portage to qt... Thanks, Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Roy Wright
On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: OK, after reading several articles from the given starting point, I now understand why semantic-desktop wastes so much cpu, memory, and storage (really, if you organize your data

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:25:31 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I don't know what load it creates because I never even have any negative impact. Yes, there is some nepomuk stuff sleeping in the background and it has zero impact on my desktop behaviour. It's the Strigi indexer that can affect

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Stroller
On 11 Feb 2010, at 00:01, Jörg Schaible wrote: ... your understanding is wrong. Completely wrong. Seriously it hurts. start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) and then proceed with the links. google-desktop is something completley different (and something that can be

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). It's so mandatory it takes a whole mouse click to turn it off :( -- Neil Bothwick Old hitchhikers

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:34:06 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: emerge --usepkg =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 No errors or warnings. Nice! Now Myth works no matter what happens in portage to qt... Except you won't get any updates to Qt is a security hole is discovered, that's the main reason for adding

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Stroller
On 11 Feb 2010, at 01:14, Roy Wright wrote: ... because to 'organize it properly' you would need a huge directory tree plus symlinks plus explaining notes to even simulate a small token of the stuff 'semantic desktop' can do for you.. Haven't had a problem organizing my data in 25 years

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 08:29 -0600, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: For example, Network Manager uses D-Bus to tell programs when your Internet connection is available and not, so your

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 08:29 -0600, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: For example, Network Manager uses

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 22:54 -0600, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: what _is_ that?! (Don't tell me, if we ignore it maybe it will go away) On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 08:29 -0600, Dale wrote: I use Seamonkey 2 right now. You may be able to tell that

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???

2010-02-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 22:51:00 Stroller wrote: On 10 Feb 2010, at 20:27, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... The qt- subpackages are very much alive and stable: $ eix qt-gui [I] x11-libs/qt-gui Available versions: (4) 4.5.3-r2 (~)4.6.1 **4.6.-r1[1] **4.- r1[1]

[gentoo-user] Broadcom firmware doesn't work with 2.6.32-r4

2010-02-10 Thread Iain Buchanan
Hi collective, I just upgraded from linux-2.6.32-tuxonice-r1 to r4 and my network card no longer works. It is Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5756ME Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express and previously I've downloaded firmware from

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-10 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 02:18:43PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as it should. Then how did