Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 06:59 +, Neil Walker wrote: Iain Buchanan wrote: I'm starting to stray OT here, but I'm considering a second-hand Adaptec 2420SA - this is real hardware raid right? It's a PCI-X card (not PCI-E). Are you sure that's right for your system? yes, I have an old server tower with everything but the disks (or RAID controller), so it needs PCI-X. thanks, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Three minutes' thought would suffice to find this out; but thought is irksome and three minutes is a long time. -- A.E. Houseman
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 03:29:50 Dale wrote: Well, actually, if hal would have worked I wouldn't have cared if it uses xorg.conf at all. That was the point of using hal. Thing is, I followed the howto and it didn't work. The fact that the config files are in xml only became a problem after hal locked me out of my GUI and required a hard shutdown. hal is a classic Second System Effect case But I thought we thrashed this to death a while ago and all agreed to never speak of this abomination again, while we await the Third System Effect aka DeviceKit? From what I read it appears to be the same guy doing both. Maybe, just maybe, some lessons were learned and it will be a lot better. I'm hoping it will be anyway. I don't care what the config files are if it works. If my hardware doesn't work, then I need to be able to edit that without a rocket science degree. I like watching things shoot into space but I don't want to design or build the darn thing. lol Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Thanks for a hint, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 07:31 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: so long as you didn't have any non-detectable disk errors before removing the disk, or any drive failure while one of the drives were removed. And the deterioration in performance while each disk was removed in turn might take more time than its worth. Of course RAID 1 wouldn't suffer from this (with 2 disks)... Raid 6. Two disks can go down. not that I know enough about RAID to comment on this page, but you might find it interesting: http://www.baarf.com/ specifically: http://www.miracleas.com/BAARF/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt and that is very wrong: but if the drive is going these will not last very long and will run out and SCSI does NOT report correctable errors back to the OS! Therefore you will not know the drive is becoming unstable until it is too late and there are no more replacement sectors and the drive begins to return garbage. [Note that the recently popular IDE/ATA drives do not (TMK) include bad sector remapping in their hardware so garbage is returned that much sooner.] so if the author is wrong on that, what is with the rest of his text? And why do you think Raid6 was created? With Raid6 one disk can fail and another return garbage and it is still able to recover. Another reason to use raid6 is the error rate. One bit per 10^16 sounds good - until you are fiddling with terabyte disks. Conclusion? For safety and performance favor RAID10 first, RAID3 second, RAID4 third, and RAID5 last! and that is just mega stupid. You can google. Or just go straight to wikipedia, if you don't know why.
Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 07:31 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: so long as you didn't have any non-detectable disk errors before removing the disk, or any drive failure while one of the drives were removed. And the deterioration in performance while each disk was removed in turn might take more time than its worth. Of course RAID 1 wouldn't suffer from this (with 2 disks)... Raid 6. Two disks can go down. not that I know enough about RAID to comment on this page, but you might find it interesting: http://www.baarf.com/ specifically: http://www.miracleas.com/BAARF/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt to give you an example, why raid 1 is not a good choice (and raid 10 too). You have two disks configured as mirror. They report different blocks. Which one is the correct one? And suddenly your system has to guess and you are very out of luck. Another reason, the author of that text stresses that you have to do more writes. Newsflash: with Raid1 every single block has to be written twice. So if you use additional writes against Raid5, Raid1 is instantly disqualified. You shouldn't listen to people with an agenda. This is almost as bad as the site that claimed that SATA is much worse than PATA in every single aspect ...
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Thanks for a hint, Helmut. I had no problems going form 4.4rc2 to 4.4. Besides removing soprano. And slots don't mean anything since everything ends straight in /usr. If there are blocks, unmerge them. emerge -C ... or even faster pmerge --unmerge ... pretty easy. You can even unmerge whole sets. Superfast.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
On 10 Feb, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Thanks for a hint, Helmut. I had no problems going form 4.4rc2 to 4.4. Besides removing soprano. And slots don't mean anything since everything ends straight in /usr. If there are blocks, unmerge them. emerge -C ... or even faster pmerge --unmerge ... pretty easy. You can even unmerge whole sets. Superfast. Thanks, but what's 'pmerge' ? Is it in any overlay? Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Thanks for a hint, Helmut. Well, I'm not really sure. I synced a bit ago, ran autounmask and it is just starting to download and emerge. So far, it shows the blocks but portage didn't stop the process. It has started at least. I'm using the same version of portage you are using. You sure it is not something that is not unmasked or something of that nature? I'd be glad to share my unmask and keyword files if you need them. Off list of course, unless the list wouldn't mind me putting them on here to share. ^-^ Dale :-) :-) P. S. Total: 275 packages (14 upgrades, 27 new, 234 in new slots, 245 uninstalls), Size of downloads: 726,272 kB Conflict: 499 blocks Sure am glad I got DSL now. lol That would take me a week on dial-up.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 10 Feb, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Thanks for a hint, Helmut. I had no problems going form 4.4rc2 to 4.4. Besides removing soprano. And slots don't mean anything since everything ends straight in /usr. If there are blocks, unmerge them. emerge -C ... or even faster pmerge --unmerge ... pretty easy. You can even unmerge whole sets. Superfast. Thanks, but what's 'pmerge' ? Is it in any overlay? Helmut. pkgcore - in a lot of cases a lot faster than portage. Especially unmerging stuff.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
On 10 Feb, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Thanks for a hint, Helmut. Well, I'm not really sure. I synced a bit ago, ran autounmask and it is just starting to download and emerge. So far, it shows the blocks but portage didn't stop the process. It has started at least. I'm using the same version of portage you are using. You sure it is not something that is not unmasked or something of that nature? I'd be glad to share my unmask and keyword files if you need them. Off list of course, unless the list wouldn't mind me putting them on here to share. ^-^ Dale :-) :-) P. S. Total: 275 packages (14 upgrades, 27 new, 234 in new slots, 245 uninstalls), Size of downloads: 726,272 kB Conflict: 499 blocks Sure am glad I got DSL now. lol That would take me a week on dial-up. Thanks Dale, but what should I use autounmask for? No version of kde is masked here. Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 10 Feb, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Thanks for a hint, Helmut. Well, I'm not really sure. I synced a bit ago, ran autounmask and it is just starting to download and emerge. So far, it shows the blocks but portage didn't stop the process. It has started at least. I'm using the same version of portage you are using. You sure it is not something that is not unmasked or something of that nature? I'd be glad to share my unmask and keyword files if you need them. Off list of course, unless the list wouldn't mind me putting them on here to share. ^-^ Dale :-) :-) P. S. Total: 275 packages (14 upgrades, 27 new, 234 in new slots, 245 uninstalls), Size of downloads: 726,272 kB Conflict: 499 blocks Sure am glad I got DSL now. lol That would take me a week on dial-up. Thanks Dale, but what should I use autounmask for? No version of kde is masked here. Helmut. At first portage gave me errors about things being masked/keyworded. So, I figured out it was trying to upgrade the kde-meta and used autounmask to make sure they were all available. After that, it just started updating. So far, no problems. Autounmask did add a lot of packages to package.keywords. I guess it did it for a reason since portage was complaining before I ran autounmask but isn't complaining now. I'm on package 6 at the moment. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:24:36 -0600, Dale wrote: hal is a classic Second System Effect case But I thought we thrashed this to death a while ago and all agreed to never speak of this abomination again, while we await the Third System Effect aka DeviceKit? From what I read it appears to be the same guy doing both. Maybe, just maybe, some lessons were learned and it will be a lot better. Isn't that the point of redoing it? It's when someone else comes along with brand new way of doing things that we get a whole load of brand new problems? -- Neil Bothwick If you cannot fix it, feature it. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 10:36:35 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Remove ALL version-specific information for kde entries from world. Don't mix and match -meta packages and sets. Beware of kde-misc entries - often times they have depends on the old SLOT and pull in conflicts. These ebuilds are not as maintained as the kdebase ones, same with the apps themselves. I've just upgraded to 4.4 here and fixing the above issues put portage in a position where it could automagically do everything correctly and deal with all blockers -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 11:38:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:24:36 -0600, Dale wrote: hal is a classic Second System Effect case But I thought we thrashed this to death a while ago and all agreed to never speak of this abomination again, while we await the Third System Effect aka DeviceKit? From what I read it appears to be the same guy doing both. Maybe, just maybe, some lessons were learned and it will be a lot better. Isn't that the point of redoing it? It's when someone else comes along with brand new way of doing things that we get a whole load of brand new problems? It really is the same guy. His blog said something to the effect of: hal is a load of crap. I knew it long ago, the other devs knew it slightly less longer ago and the users now know it too. We were trying to do too much and shoehorn too many things into the same boxes that belonged in different boxes. I'm fed up trying to maintain this steaming mess, will not be adding new features, and wash my hands of it. I'll be doing a rewrite called DeviceKit. So kudos to the man for recognizing the real problem, admitting it, and moving onto a real solution. Nothing wrong with making a mistake and fixing it - that's how we learn. Personally, my mistakes teach me MUCH more than my successes - I then know what not to do :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:24:36 -0600, Dale wrote: hal is a classic Second System Effect case But I thought we thrashed this to death a while ago and all agreed to never speak of this abomination again, while we await the Third System Effect aka DeviceKit? From what I read it appears to be the same guy doing both. Maybe, just maybe, some lessons were learned and it will be a lot better. Isn't that the point of redoing it? It's when someone else comes along with brand new way of doing things that we get a whole load of brand new problems? That was my point. I'm hoping he sees the weaknesses of hal and doesn't put those in devicekit. I'm hopeful it will be better not just the same old thing with a new name. Speaking of improvements, I'll be glad when Seamonkey sorts out that top line up there. It appears that Seamonkey 2 still has a bug up its butt. lol Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
On 10 Feb, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 10:36:35 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Remove ALL version-specific information for kde entries from world. There are no specific version of kde in world Don't mix and match -meta packages and sets. What do you mean by that? I don't think I have any kde-sets here # emerge --list-sets downgrade installed live-rebuild module-rebuild preserved-rebuild security selected system unavailable world Beware of kde-misc entries - often times they have depends on the old SLOT and pull in conflicts. These ebuilds are not as maintained as the kdebase ones, same with the apps themselves. Thanks, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 12:32:11 Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 10 Feb, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 10:36:35 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Remove ALL version-specific information for kde entries from world. There are no specific version of kde in world Don't mix and match -meta packages and sets. What do you mean by that? I don't think I have any kde-sets here # emerge --list-sets downgrade installed live-rebuild module-rebuild preserved-rebuild security selected system unavailable world Beware of kde-misc entries - often times they have depends on the old SLOT and pull in conflicts. These ebuilds are not as maintained as the kdebase ones, same with the apps themselves. In general terms, portage knows you have package A that must stay at v4.3.5 and you want to upgrade it (or more likely something that depends on it) to v4.4. It's telling you I can't/won't do that. Please post the portage output for the blockers that portage won't resolve (not everything, that will be about 5000 lines) plus the command you are running if it's not emerge -avuND world. Also, are you aware that as of yesterday, KDE-4.4 was still hard masked in $PORTDIR/profiles/package.mask? It may have been removed meanwhile since my last sync. And what do you have related to kde in your own /etc/portage/package* ? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 00:22:31 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 08:47 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: I now only need to figure out the best way to configure LVM over this to get the best performance from it. Does anyone know of a decent way of figuring this out? I got 6 disks in Raid-5. why LVM? Planning on changing partition size later? LVM is good for (but not limited to) non-raid setups where you want one partition over a number of disks. If you have RAID 5 however, don't you just get one large disk out of it? In which case you could just create x partitions. You can always use parted to resize / move them later. IMHO recovery from tiny boot disks is easier without LVM too. I've been using LVM for quite a while now and prefer it over any existing partitioning method. Especially as this array is for filesharing and I prefer to keep different shares on different partitions and the requirements for sizes are not known at the beginning. Also, the machine this is in uses Xen virtualisation to consolidate different servers on a single machine (power-consumption and most servers only need a lot of resources occasionally) and I already have over 80 LVs just for the virtual machines themselves. (multiple each, as I don't like a single large partition for any machine) As for recovery, I always use sysrescuecd (http://www.sysresccd.org) and this has Raid and LVM support in it. (Same with the Gentoo-livecds) -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 08:08:44 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 01:22:31 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 08:47 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: I now only need to figure out the best way to configure LVM over this to get the best performance from it. Does anyone know of a decent way of figuring this out? I got 6 disks in Raid-5. why LVM? Planning on changing partition size later? LVM is good for (but not limited to) non-raid setups where you want one partition over a number of disks. If you have RAID 5 however, don't you just get one large disk out of it? In which case you could just create x partitions. You can always use parted to resize / move them later. IMHO recovery from tiny boot disks is easier without LVM too. General observation (not saying that Iain is wrong): You use RAID to get redundancy, data integrity and performance. You use lvm to get flexibility, ease of maintenance and the ability to create volumes larger than any single disk or array. And do it at a reasonable price. These two things have nothing to do with each other and must be viewed as such. There are places where RAID and lvm seem to overlap, where one might think that a feature of one can be used to replace the other. But both really suck in these overlaps and are not very good at them. Bottom line: don't try and use RAID or LVM to do $STUFF outside their core functions. They each do one thing and do it well. I completely agree with this. RAID is for redundancy (Loose a disk, and the system will keep running) LVM is for flexibility (Resizing/moving partitions using parted or similar takes time during which the whole system is unusable) With LVM, I can resize a partition while it is actually in use (eg. write- activities)
Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, J. Roeleveld wrote: As for recovery, I always use sysrescuecd (http://www.sysresccd.org) and this has Raid and LVM support in it. (Same with the Gentoo-livecds) sysrescuecd failed me hard two nights ago. 64bit kernel paniced with stack corruptions, 32bit kernel took an hour to unpack 300kb from a 20gb tar... it was pathetic...
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:39:14PM -0500, dhk wrote: Do you have xfce-base/xfdesktop installed? Try installing it. No, as it happens, I didn't. When I tried # emerge xfdesktop , the compiler threw a segfault. It does this reproducibly. Bother! I don't have any fancy C\(XX\)?FLAGS set, and am using a standard athlon-64 setup. Presumably, rebuilding the compiler isn't going to help much, since the athlon-64 stage-3 would have had the latest and greatest compiler anyhow. I think, at this stage, I'll just try emerging a different window manager. Maybe blackbox. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 02:28:59 Stroller wrote: On 9 Feb 2010, at 19:37, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... Don't get me started on those ;) The reason I use Linux Software Raid is because: 1) I can't afford hardware raid adapters 2) It's generally faster then hardware fakeraid I'd rather have slow hardware RAID than fast software RAID. I'm not being a snob, it just suits my purposes better. I don't consider that comment as snobbish as I actually agree. But as I am using 6 disks in the array, a hardware RAID card to handle that would have pushed me above budget. It is planned for a future upgrade (along with additional disks), but that will have to wait till after another few expenses. If speed isn't an issue then secondhand prices of SATA RAID controllers (PCI PCI-X form-factor) are starting to become really cheap. Obviously new cards are all PCI-e - industry has long moved to that, and enthusiasts are following. My mainboard has PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e (1x and 16x), which connector-type would be best suited? Also, I believe a PCI-e 8x card would work in a PCI-e 16x slot, but does this work with all mainboards/cards? Or are some more picky about this? I would be far less invested in hardware RAID if I could find regular SATA controllers which boasted hot-swap. I've read reports of people hot-swapping SATA drives just fine on their cheap controllers but last time I checked there were no manufacturers who supported this as a feature. The mainboard I use (ASUS M3N-WS) has a working hotswap support (Yes, I tested this) using hotswap drive bays. Take a disk out, Linux actually sees it being removed prior to writing to it and when I stick it back in, it gets a new device assigned. On a different machine, where I tried it, the whole machine locked up when I removed the disk (And SATA is supposed to be hotswappable by design...) -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 12:03:51 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, J. Roeleveld wrote: As for recovery, I always use sysrescuecd (http://www.sysresccd.org) and this has Raid and LVM support in it. (Same with the Gentoo-livecds) sysrescuecd failed me hard two nights ago. 64bit kernel paniced with stack corruptions, 32bit kernel took an hour to unpack 300kb from a 20gb tar... it was pathetic... Never had a problem with it myself, but I always test rescuediscs semi- regularly on all my machines, just to be sure. :) I'm also paranoid when it comes to backups of my private data.
Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 12:03:51 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, J. Roeleveld wrote: As for recovery, I always use sysrescuecd (http://www.sysresccd.org) and this has Raid and LVM support in it. (Same with the Gentoo-livecds) sysrescuecd failed me hard two nights ago. 64bit kernel paniced with stack corruptions, 32bit kernel took an hour to unpack 300kb from a 20gb tar... it was pathetic... Never had a problem with it myself, but I always test rescuediscs semi- regularly on all my machines, just to be sure. :) I'm also paranoid when it comes to backups of my private data. because of my backup harddisk (I first copy everything on a seperate disk, then later the important stuff onto tapes), I was able to boot into a pretty actual system and untar from their. And suddenly I was hitting 100mb/sec+ writing speed...
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Also, are you aware that as of yesterday, KDE-4.4 was still hard masked in $PORTDIR/profiles/package.mask? It may have been removed meanwhile since my last sync. Maybe some of us synced in the middle of a update then? I get this: r...@smoker / # equery list -p kde-meta [ Searching for package 'kde-meta' in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ ] kde-base/kde-meta-3.5.10 (3.5) [I--] [ ~] kde-base/kde-meta-4.3.5 (4.3) * Portage tree (/usr/portage) [-P-] [ ] kde-base/kde-meta-4.3.3 (4.3) [-P-] [ ~] kde-base/kde-meta-4.3.4 (4.3) [-P-] [ ~] kde-base/kde-meta-4.4.0 (4.4) r...@smoker / # That explains why autounmask added things to package.keyword but not unmask here. They are still keyworded but not masked. This makes since on my rig at least. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 11:38:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:24:36 -0600, Dale wrote: hal is a classic Second System Effect case But I thought we thrashed this to death a while ago and all agreed to never speak of this abomination again, while we await the Third System Effect aka DeviceKit? From what I read it appears to be the same guy doing both. Maybe, just maybe, some lessons were learned and it will be a lot better. Isn't that the point of redoing it? It's when someone else comes along with brand new way of doing things that we get a whole load of brand new problems? It really is the same guy. His blog said something to the effect of: hal is a load of crap. I knew it long ago, the other devs knew it slightly less longer ago and the users now know it too. We were trying to do too much and shoehorn too many things into the same boxes that belonged in different boxes. I'm fed up trying to maintain this steaming mess, will not be adding new features, and wash my hands of it. I'll be doing a rewrite called DeviceKit. So kudos to the man for recognizing the real problem, admitting it, and moving onto a real solution. Nothing wrong with making a mistake and fixing it - that's how we learn. Personally, my mistakes teach me MUCH more than my successes - I then know what not to do :-) That's what I am thinking. At least he knows hardware, how to write a program and sees the big picture of how it turned out. That's why I said I hope this new thing will be better. He sees where it got lost and wants to make it better. Kudos for knowing it is better to start from freaking scratch too. Think Bill Gates could ever do that? ROFL Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. But I really like kmail as my mail client, so I give it a last chance: Is it possible to compile kmail without support for semantic desktop (by writing my own ebuild) or will the code break without it? Thanks for your hints Christian signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 10:27:32AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as it should. Then how did things manage to work on my systems for the past 9 years, pray tell? -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 14:57:57 Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 10:27:32AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as it should. Then how did things manage to work on my systems for the past 9 years, pray tell? Because pre-dbus your desktop apps used a mish-mash of all sorts of $STUFF that did the same thing in a spaghetti like manner. KDE had dcop but couldn't talk directly to gnome apps and vice-versa. post-dbus we have a coherent message bus system that is DE-agnostic and supported by freedesktop. Apps get migrated to use dbus instead of spaghetti and things work better. With KDE-3.5 you couldn't just dispense with dcop and expect stuff to work. Same with dbus currently. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] old kernel (kcore)?
Hello, I booted up an old system off our a minimal 2006.1 cd I'm looking for the kernel to copy it. Is it this kcore file? proc # file kcore kcore: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'vmlinux' If not does somebody know what the name, or the location (on the x86 2006.1 minimal cd0 would be? the .config file used to create the kernel would be of keen interest to me too. thx, James
Re: [gentoo-user] old kernel (kcore)?
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 14:51:26 James wrote: Hello, I booted up an old system off our a minimal 2006.1 cd I'm looking for the kernel to copy it. Is it this kcore file? proc # file kcore kcore: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'vmlinux' If not does somebody know what the name, or the location (on the x86 2006.1 minimal cd0 would be? the .config file used to create the kernel would be of keen interest to me too. thx, James Not sure where the kernel-image is on the CD, but have a look in the ISOLINUX directory? As for the .config, I think the kernels used by Gentoo all have the /proc/config.gz option active. Eg. to get the config, do the following: zcat /proc/config.gz .config HTH, Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] old kernel (kcore)?
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Hello, I booted up an old system off our a minimal 2006.1 cd I'm looking for the kernel to copy it. Is it this kcore file? proc # file kcore kcore: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'vmlinux' If not does somebody know what the name, or the location (on the x86 2006.1 minimal cd0 would be? the .config file used to create the kernel would be of keen interest to me too. thx, James The kernel config is /proc/config.gz . I'm not sure if you can get a copy of the kernel or not. Since it would need a LOT of modules to load, you would most likely have to build it anyway. The CD uses modules for a lot of stuff that you may not want to be a module on the actual system. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as it should. Then how did things manage to work on my systems for the past 9 years, pray tell? Because nine years ago, Linux desktop software didn't use interprocess communication. Of course things will still work, but not necessarily everything. For example, Network Manager uses D-Bus to tell programs when your Internet connection is available and not, so your mail client goes into offline mode rather than pointlessly trying to access your mailbox. KDE4 uses it quite extensively, ust as KDE3 used DCOP. -- Neil Bothwick Vuja De: the feeling that you've never been here before. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as it should. Then how did things manage to work on my systems for the past 9 years, pray tell? Because nine years ago, Linux desktop software didn't use interprocess communication. Of course things will still work, but not necessarily everything. For example, Network Manager uses D-Bus to tell programs when your Internet connection is available and not, so your mail client goes into offline mode rather than pointlessly trying to access your mailbox. KDE4 uses it quite extensively, ust as KDE3 used DCOP. So that's why when I am downloading something it doesn't check my emails. I was always curious about that. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. you don't even now what that is. Right? You just don't use 'it' and you are fine. Btw, I am sure you already have it installed with soprano.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. I use the kde overlay and the unmask/keywords files it contains. The only thing I had to do manually was unmask newest version of libmsn. After that it all emerged in one try.
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:39:14PM -0500, dhk wrote:
Do you have xfce-base/xfdesktop installed? Try installing it.
No, as it happens, I didn't. When I tried
# emerge xfdesktop
, the compiler threw a segfault. It does this reproducibly. Bother!
I don't have any fancy C\(XX\)?FLAGS set, and am using a standard
athlon-64 setup.
Presumably, rebuilding the compiler isn't going to help much, since the
athlon-64 stage-3 would have had the latest and greatest compiler anyhow.
I think, at this stage, I'll just try emerging a different window
manager. Maybe blackbox.
Is it just me? On a new install I always still to an emerge -e @world
once I get to a working text based boot and I've done any modification
to make.conf as I don't really know how the compiler or tool set was
built. Just paranoid.
I used to do it twice before I started installing apps or desktops but
I've cut back. :-)
If you care to compare:
m...@firefly ~ $ cat /etc/make.conf
# Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
# detailed example.
CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -pipe
#Safe CFlags for the Core-i7, saved for reference
#CFLAGS=-march=core2 -msse4 -mcx16 -msahf -O2 -pipe
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
# WARNING: Changing your CHOST is not something that should be done lightly.
# Please consult http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml before changing.
CHOST=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
# These are the USE flags that were used in addition to what is provided by the
# profile used for building.
#USE=hal
USE=aac alsa cairo caps cdda cddb cdparanoia cdr dts dvd dvdr ffmpeg
flac fltk ftp gnome hal ieee1394 jack kde lame java jpeg ladspa lame
lash libsamplerate mmx mp3 mp4 mpeg musepack nsplugin ogg sse sse2
ssse3 sse4 tifftruetype vorbis xine xv xvid vmware -bluetooth -esound
-timidity
MAKEOPTS=-j5
GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://gentoo.osuosl.org/
SYNC=rsync://rsync.namerica.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--with-bdeps y
#INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard mouse
INPUT_DEVICES=evdev virtualbox
VIDEO_CARDS=intel fbdev virtualbox vmware
#VIDEO_CARDS=intel vesa fbdev
ALSA_CARDS=hdsp usb
LINGUAS=en
ACCEPT_LICENSE=dlj-1.1 PUEL
source /usr/local/portage/layman/make.conf
m...@firefly ~
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On 2/10/2010 2:12 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 03:29:50 Dale wrote: Well, actually, if hal would have worked I wouldn't have cared if it uses xorg.conf at all. That was the point of using hal. Thing is, I followed the howto and it didn't work. The fact that the config files are in xml only became a problem after hal locked me out of my GUI and required a hard shutdown. hal is a classic Second System Effect case But I thought we thrashed this to death a while ago and all agreed to never speak of this abomination again, while we await the Third System Effect aka DeviceKit? Last I heard DeviceKit was deprecated before it even happened and they're just going to move everything into udev. --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 17:33:46 Mark Knecht wrote:
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:39:14PM -0500, dhk wrote:
Do you have xfce-base/xfdesktop installed? Try installing it.
No, as it happens, I didn't. When I tried
# emerge xfdesktop
, the compiler threw a segfault. It does this reproducibly. Bother!
I don't have any fancy C\(XX\)?FLAGS set, and am using a standard
athlon-64 setup.
Presumably, rebuilding the compiler isn't going to help much, since the
athlon-64 stage-3 would have had the latest and greatest compiler anyhow.
I think, at this stage, I'll just try emerging a different window
manager. Maybe blackbox.
Is it just me? On a new install I always still to an emerge -e @world
once I get to a working text based boot and I've done any modification
to make.conf as I don't really know how the compiler or tool set was
built. Just paranoid.
That's worthwhile, it goes real quick once gcc and glibc are built. Plus
(until recently at least) the published stages always had an out of date gcc
on them.
I used to do it twice before I started installing apps or desktops but
I've cut back. :-)
Twice is pointless :-)
gcc rebuilds itself twice to ensure that the binary is built with the same
version as the result, and verifies that the last two are bit-wise identical.
Then building the toolchain, then building the rest of world gives you exactly
what you hope to get from doing it twice.
If you care to compare:
m...@firefly ~ $ cat /etc/make.conf
# Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
# detailed example.
CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -pipe
#Safe CFlags for the Core-i7, saved for reference
#CFLAGS=-march=core2 -msse4 -mcx16 -msahf -O2 -pipe
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
# WARNING: Changing your CHOST is not something that should be done
lightly. # Please consult http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml
before changing. CHOST=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
# These are the USE flags that were used in addition to what is provided by
the # profile used for building.
#USE=hal
USE=aac alsa cairo caps cdda cddb cdparanoia cdr dts dvd dvdr ffmpeg
flac fltk ftp gnome hal ieee1394 jack kde lame java jpeg ladspa lame
lash libsamplerate mmx mp3 mp4 mpeg musepack nsplugin ogg sse sse2
ssse3 sse4 tifftruetype vorbis xine xv xvid vmware -bluetooth -esound
-timidity
MAKEOPTS=-j5
GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://gentoo.osuosl.org/
SYNC=rsync://rsync.namerica.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--with-bdeps y
#INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard mouse
INPUT_DEVICES=evdev virtualbox
VIDEO_CARDS=intel fbdev virtualbox vmware
#VIDEO_CARDS=intel vesa fbdev
ALSA_CARDS=hdsp usb
LINGUAS=en
ACCEPT_LICENSE=dlj-1.1 PUEL
source /usr/local/portage/layman/make.conf
m...@firefly ~
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 2/10/2010 2:12 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 03:29:50 Dale wrote: Well, actually, if hal would have worked I wouldn't have cared if it uses xorg.conf at all. That was the point of using hal. Thing is, I followed the howto and it didn't work. The fact that the config files are in xml only became a problem after hal locked me out of my GUI and required a hard shutdown. hal is a classic Second System Effect case But I thought we thrashed this to death a while ago and all agreed to never speak of this abomination again, while we await the Third System Effect aka DeviceKit? Last I heard DeviceKit was deprecated before it even happened and they're just going to move everything into udev. --Mike Well, udev does seem to work at least. lol Maybe the devicekit guy could just slide over and help the udev people? Heck, as long as it works, I'm fine with it. I just don't like having to unexpectedly do a hard reboot. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 23:58:10 Dale wrote: So, hal may be progress to you but it is a step backward for me. It's the opposite of progress. You mean HAL = Congress? Sorry, couldn't resist ;) And now, back on topic :)
Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far
On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:14, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 02:28:59 Stroller wrote: On 9 Feb 2010, at 19:37, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... Don't get me started on those ;) The reason I use Linux Software Raid is because: 1) I can't afford hardware raid adapters 2) It's generally faster then hardware fakeraid I'd rather have slow hardware RAID than fast software RAID. I'm not being a snob, it just suits my purposes better. I don't consider that comment as snobbish as I actually agree. But as I am using 6 disks in the array, a hardware RAID card to handle that would have pushed me above budget. See, for example, eBay item 280459693053. LSI is also a popular brand amongst Linux enthusiasts. 3ware have been taken over by LSI and their support has deteriorated over the last few months, but 3ware cards come with transferrable 3 year warranty, expiry date identifiable by serial number, and you will often find eBay cards are still in warranty. It is planned for a future upgrade (along with additional disks), but that will have to wait till after another few expenses. If speed isn't an issue then secondhand prices of SATA RAID controllers (PCI PCI-X form-factor) are starting to become really cheap. Obviously new cards are all PCI-e - industry has long moved to that, and enthusiasts are following. My mainboard has PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e (1x and 16x), which connector- type would be best suited? PCI-e, PCI-X, PCI in that order, I *think*. PCI-X is very good, IIRC, it may be fractionally faster than PCI-e, but I get the impression it's going out of fashion a bit on motherboards. PCI-e is very fast and is the most readily usable on new future motherboards. It is what one would choose if buying new (I'm not sure if PCI-X cards are still available), and so it is the most expensive on the secondhand market. Some 3ware PCI-X cards (eg the 9500S at least) are usable in regular PCI slots, obviously at the expense of speed. Not sure about other brands. Avoid 3ware 7000 8000 series cards - they are now ancient, although you can pick them up for £10. Also, I believe a PCI-e 8x card would work in a PCI-e 16x slot, but does this work with all mainboards/cards? Or are some more picky about this? No idea, sorry. I would have thought so, but I don't use PCI-e here yet. I would be far less invested in hardware RAID if I could find regular SATA controllers which boasted hot-swap. I've read reports of people hot-swapping SATA drives just fine on their cheap controllers but last time I checked there were no manufacturers who supported this as a feature. The mainboard I use (ASUS M3N-WS) has a working hotswap support (Yes, I tested this) using hotswap drive bays. Take a disk out, Linux actually sees it being removed prior to writing to it and when I stick it back in, it gets a new device assigned. This is very interesting to know. This would be very useful here, even if just for auxiliary use - swapping in a drive from another machine just to clone it, backup or recover data, for instance. If I found an Atom-based board that did hotswap on its normal SATA ports I would probably purchase one in a flash. On a different machine, where I tried it, the whole machine locked up when I removed the disk (And SATA is supposed to be hotswappable by design...) This is what I would normally expect, at least from when I last checked a year or two ago. AIUI SATA by design *may* be hotswappable at the *option* of the manufacturer. (Please correct me if I am mistaken) Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 17:33:46 Mark Knecht wrote: SNIP Is it just me? On a new install I always still to an emerge -e @world once I get to a working text based boot and I've done any modification to make.conf as I don't really know how the compiler or tool set was built. Just paranoid. That's worthwhile, it goes real quick once gcc and glibc are built. Plus (until recently at least) the published stages always had an out of date gcc on them. I used to do it twice before I started installing apps or desktops but I've cut back. :-) Twice is pointless :-) gcc rebuilds itself twice to ensure that the binary is built with the same version as the result, and verifies that the last two are bit-wise identical. Then building the toolchain, then building the rest of world gives you exactly what you hope to get from doing it twice. And it was you or Neil or someone else here who pointed that out maybe 1-2 years ago so I stopped doing it twice. But, heck, why not? I do a lot of pointless things every day. I only do new installs a few times a year... ;-) Anyway, right after the system first comes up it's usually less than 1 hour to do a complete rebuild of that most basic system and I've had very few _strange_ problems bringing up Gentoo since I started doing it. (In 2000, so 10 years now...) - Mark
[gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
Hi there,
Upgrading some packages today I saw:
Qt3 is deprecated and unsupported, both upstream and by the Gentoo Qt
Project. x11-libs/qt:3 will be removed from portage soon. See
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_f988855f798764822704bbbd743ab6f7.xml
You are encouraged to use Qt4 instead.
However when I try to resolve this, I find that only 3.3 versions are
marked as stable:
$ eix x11-libs/qt$
[I] x11-libs/qt
Available versions:
(3) 3.3.8b-r1 3.3.8b-r2
(4) [M]4.5.3 [M]~4.6.1
{cups dbus debug doc examples firebird immqt immqt-bc ipv6
kde mysql nas nis odbc opengl postgres qt3support sqlite xinerama}
Installed versions: 3.3.8b-r2(3)(14:05:56 10/02/10)(cups doc
examples -debug -firebird -immqt -immqt-bc -ipv6 -mysql -nas -nis -
odbc -opengl -postgres -sqlite -xinerama)
Homepage:http://qt.nokia.com/
Description: The Qt toolkit is a comprehensive C++
application development framework
$
Is anyone else seeing this, please?
The message posted to Gentoo-dev suggests that Qt3 is going away right
about NOW, but this doesn't seem to add up to what I'm seeing.
Thanks in advance for any comments,
Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
Hi there,
Upgrading some packages today I saw:
Qt3 is deprecated and unsupported, both upstream and by the Gentoo Qt
Project. x11-libs/qt:3 will be removed from portage soon. See
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_f988855f798764822704bbbd743ab6f7.xml
You are encouraged to use Qt4 instead.
However when I try to resolve this, I find that only 3.3 versions are
marked as stable:
$ eix x11-libs/qt$
[I] x11-libs/qt
Available versions:
(3) 3.3.8b-r1 3.3.8b-r2
(4) [M]4.5.3 [M]~4.6.1
{cups dbus debug doc examples firebird immqt immqt-bc ipv6 kde mysql
nas nis odbc opengl postgres qt3support sqlite xinerama}
Installed versions: 3.3.8b-r2(3)(14:05:56 10/02/10)(cups doc examples
-debug -firebird -immqt -immqt-bc -ipv6 -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -opengl
-postgres -sqlite -xinerama)
Homepage:http://qt.nokia.com/
Description: The Qt toolkit is a comprehensive C++ application
development framework
$
Is anyone else seeing this, please?
The message posted to Gentoo-dev suggests that Qt3 is going away right
about NOW, but this doesn't seem to add up to what I'm seeing.
Thanks in advance for any comments,
It's monolithic vs. split ebuilds - Qt4 in Gentoo has gone to a modular
ebuild system - the monolithic Qt4 build is not supported.
Try:
eix -C x11-libs qt-
HTH-
James
Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Stroller wrote: because qt-VERSION is being phased out. You are supposed to use the split qt ebuilds. qt-VERSION is just a meta package. And luckily, all qt-BLABLA-4.5.3 ebuilds are marked stable. ALSO: from the qt-4.5.3 ebuild: KEYWORDS=~alpha amd64 arm hppa ~ia64 ~mips ppc ppc64 -sparc x86 when was the last time you sync'ed?
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
- Original Message From: Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 12:18:59 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)??? ALSO: from the qt-4.5.3 ebuild: KEYWORDS=~alpha amd64 arm hppa ~ia64 ~mips ppc ppc64 -sparc x86 when was the last time you sync'ed? http://gentoo-portage.com/x11-libs/qt shows the same thing - qt-4.5.3 is hard masked. Ben
Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 17:37:47 Stroller wrote: On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:14, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 02:28:59 Stroller wrote: On 9 Feb 2010, at 19:37, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... Don't get me started on those ;) The reason I use Linux Software Raid is because: 1) I can't afford hardware raid adapters 2) It's generally faster then hardware fakeraid I'd rather have slow hardware RAID than fast software RAID. I'm not being a snob, it just suits my purposes better. I don't consider that comment as snobbish as I actually agree. But as I am using 6 disks in the array, a hardware RAID card to handle that would have pushed me above budget. See, for example, eBay item 280459693053. LSI is also a popular brand amongst Linux enthusiasts. 3ware have been taken over by LSI and their support has deteriorated over the last few months, but 3ware cards come with transferrable 3 year warranty, expiry date identifiable by serial number, and you will often find eBay cards are still in warranty. Yes, except that I tend to avoid eBay as much as possible for reasons that don't belong on this list. My mainboard has PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e (1x and 16x), which connector- type would be best suited? PCI-e, PCI-X, PCI in that order, I *think*. PCI-X is very good, IIRC, it may be fractionally faster than PCI-e, but I get the impression it's going out of fashion a bit on motherboards. PCI-e is very fast and is the most readily usable on new future motherboards. It is what one would choose if buying new (I'm not sure if PCI-X cards are still available), and so it is the most expensive on the secondhand market. I know at least one shop in NL that sells them (They're also online) Some 3ware PCI-X cards (eg the 9500S at least) are usable in regular PCI slots, obviously at the expense of speed. Not sure about other brands. Avoid 3ware 7000 8000 series cards - they are now ancient, although you can pick them up for £10. Also, I believe a PCI-e 8x card would work in a PCI-e 16x slot, but does this work with all mainboards/cards? Or are some more picky about this? No idea, sorry. I would have thought so, but I don't use PCI-e here yet. It's what all the buzz says, but I've yet to have that confirmed. It's especially the size of the slots and the cards where my concerns come from. I would be far less invested in hardware RAID if I could find regular SATA controllers which boasted hot-swap. I've read reports of people hot-swapping SATA drives just fine on their cheap controllers but last time I checked there were no manufacturers who supported this as a feature. The mainboard I use (ASUS M3N-WS) has a working hotswap support (Yes, I tested this) using hotswap drive bays. Take a disk out, Linux actually sees it being removed prior to writing to it and when I stick it back in, it gets a new device assigned. This is very interesting to know. This would be very useful here, even if just for auxiliary use - swapping in a drive from another machine just to clone it, backup or recover data, for instance. Yes, but just for cloning, wouldn't it be just as easy to power down the machine, plug in the drive and then power it back up? Or even stick it on a quick-change USB-case? :) If I found an Atom-based board that did hotswap on its normal SATA ports I would probably purchase one in a flash. On a different machine, where I tried it, the whole machine locked up when I removed the disk (And SATA is supposed to be hotswappable by design...) This is what I would normally expect, at least from when I last checked a year or two ago. I do have to say here that the mainboard for that machine is now easily 5 years old, so I didn't actually expect it to work. AIUI SATA by design *may* be hotswappable at the *option* of the manufacturer. (Please correct me if I am mistaken) I think it depends on if the controller actually sends the correct signals to the OS as I'm not sure if it was Linux or the hardware locking up.
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Stroller
strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
Hi there,
Upgrading some packages today I saw:
Qt3 is deprecated and unsupported, both upstream and by the Gentoo Qt
Project. x11-libs/qt:3 will be removed from portage soon. See
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_f988855f798764822704bbbd743ab6f7.xml
You are encouraged to use Qt4 instead.
However when I try to resolve this, I find that only 3.3 versions are marked
as stable:
$ eix x11-libs/qt$
[I] x11-libs/qt
Available versions:
(3) 3.3.8b-r1 3.3.8b-r2
(4) [M]4.5.3 [M]~4.6.1
{cups dbus debug doc examples firebird immqt immqt-bc ipv6 kde mysql
nas nis odbc opengl postgres qt3support sqlite xinerama}
Installed versions: 3.3.8b-r2(3)(14:05:56 10/02/10)(cups doc examples
-debug -firebird -immqt -immqt-bc -ipv6 -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -opengl
-postgres -sqlite -xinerama)
Homepage: http://qt.nokia.com/
Description: The Qt toolkit is a comprehensive C++ application
development framework
$
Is anyone else seeing this, please?
The message posted to Gentoo-dev suggests that Qt3 is going away right about
NOW, but this doesn't seem to add up to what I'm seeing.
Thanks in advance for any comments,
Stroller.
I seem to have them both installed with only my old version of MYthTV
requiring qt-3.3.8
- Mark
firefly distfiles # eix -Ic qt
[I] dev-python/PyQt4 (4@02/03/10): A set of Python bindings for
the Qt toolkit
[I] virtual/poppler-qt4 (0.12.3...@02/04/10): Virtual package,
includes packages that contain libpoppler-qt4.so
[I] x11-libs/qt (3.3.8b-r2(3)@01/30/10): The Qt toolkit is a
comprehensive C++ application development framework
[I] x11-libs/qt-core (4.5.3-r2(4)@01/31/10): The Qt toolkit is a
comprehensive C++ application development framework
[I] x11-libs/qt-dbus (4.5.3-r1(4)@01/31/10): The DBus module for the Qt toolkit
[I] x11-libs/qt-gui (4.5.3-r2(4)@01/31/10): The GUI module for the Qt toolkit
[I] x11-libs/qt-opengl (4.5.3-r1(4)@02/03/10): The OpenGL module for
the Qt toolkit
[I] x11-libs/qt-qt3support (4.5.3(4)@02/02/10): The Qt3 support module
for the Qt toolkit
[I] x11-libs/qt-script (4.5.3-r1(4)@01/31/10): The ECMAScript module
for the Qt toolkit
[I] x11-libs/qt-sql (4.5.3(4)@01/31/10): The SQL module for the Qt toolkit
[I] x11-libs/qt-svg (4.5.3-r1(4)@02/03/10): The SVG module for the Qt toolkit
[I] x11-libs/qt-test (4.5.3-r1(4)@02/03/10): The testing framework
module for the Qt toolkit
[I] x11-libs/qt-webkit (4.5.3(4)@02/03/10): The Webkit module for the Qt toolkit
Found 13 matches.
firefly distfiles # equery depends =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2
[ Searching for packages depending on =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2... ]
media-tv/mythtv-0.21_p20877 (=x11-libs/qt-3.3:3[mysql,opengl])
x11-themes/mythtv-themes-0.21_p16505 (=x11-libs/qt-3.3:3)
firefly distfiles #
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:59:16 +, Stroller wrote: The message posted to Gentoo-dev suggests that Qt3 is going away right about NOW, but this doesn't seem to add up to what I'm seeing. The message says it will be masked on Feb 21st and removed on March 21st. So you have eleven days to add it to package.unmask and nearly six weeks before you need to add the kde-sunset overlay. That's assuming the ebuilds that depend on QT3 haven't been updated to wiork with QT4, which is highly likely as that would require upstream changes for most of them too. It's a minor inconvenience, but they are giving us a decent warning. -- Neil Bothwick Earlier, I didn't have time to finish anything. This time I w signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
Am Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 schrieb Christian Apeltauer: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. I've had the same issue yesterday, but for another reason. I didn't want to install yet another server backend, whose package is 70MB in size. I've tried, but in the end, something needed semantic-desktop to be compulsory. So I gave up and waited the half hour to download that bloody virtuoso. :-/ -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Why did the tachyon cross the road? Because it was on the other side. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
Am Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Thanks for a hint, Helmut. Well I only had some issues with packages that didn't have a 4.4 version, like soliduiserver. So I guessed they don't need that anymore and a removed it. Turned out it was a hard block because I had it in world. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Why did the tachyon cross the road? Because it was on the other side. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Am Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: Hi, has anybody a recipe on this upgrade hell each time KDE release a new version? This time existing KDE-4.3.5 packages block KDE-4.4 packages though they go to different slots. Even portage-2.2_rc62 is unable to cope with that. Thanks for a hint, Helmut. Well I only had some issues with packages that didn't have a 4.4 version, like soliduiserver. So I guessed they don't need that anymore and a removed it. Turned out it was a hard block because I had it in world. so? set -virtuoso in make.conf. neither soprano nor kdelibs hard-depend on it.
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Tuesday 09 February 2010 23:58:10 Dale wrote: So, hal may be progress to you but it is a step backward for me. It's the opposite of progress. You mean HAL = Congress? Sorry, couldn't resist ;) And now, back on topic :) Well anytime the Congress does anything, it isn't progress. It never has been. That was hard to resist tho. lol Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:59:16 +, Stroller wrote: The message posted to Gentoo-dev suggests that Qt3 is going away right about NOW, but this doesn't seem to add up to what I'm seeing. The message says it will be masked on Feb 21st and removed on March 21st. So you have eleven days to add it to package.unmask and nearly six weeks before you need to add the kde-sunset overlay. That's assuming the ebuilds that depend on QT3 haven't been updated to wiork with QT4, which is highly likely as that would require upstream changes for most of them too. It's a minor inconvenience, but they are giving us a decent warning. -- Neil Bothwick So am I at any great risk doing an emerge -C qt-3.3 and then expecting revdep-rebuild to fix up mythtv-0.21 with qt-4 using whatever it has ffor qt3-support? I'm __really__ not ready to upgrade my whole MythTV setup 0.22 if 0.21 requires qt-3 and the qt3 support stuff in qt4 doesn't work. That would be very painful for me even given 6 weeks. - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:59:16 +, Stroller wrote: The message posted to Gentoo-dev suggests that Qt3 is going away right about NOW, but this doesn't seem to add up to what I'm seeing. The message says it will be masked on Feb 21st and removed on March 21st. So you have eleven days to add it to package.unmask and nearly six weeks before you need to add the kde-sunset overlay. That's assuming the ebuilds that depend on QT3 haven't been updated to wiork with QT4, which is highly likely as that would require upstream changes for most of them too. It's a minor inconvenience, but they are giving us a decent warning. -- Neil Bothwick So am I at any great risk doing an emerge -C qt-3.3 and then expecting revdep-rebuild to fix up mythtv-0.21 with qt-4 using whatever it has ffor qt3-support? I'm __really__ not ready to upgrade my whole MythTV setup 0.22 if 0.21 requires qt-3 and the qt3 support stuff in qt4 doesn't work. That would be very painful for me even given 6 weeks. - Mark quickpkg all your crap emerge -C qt-3 emerge -C your mythtv stuff emerge qt4 set emerge current mythtv stuff it works? congratulation! it doesn't? just unmerge the new stuff and then emerge the binpkgs quickpkg created. Which takes maybe 5 minutes.
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:30:19 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I seem to have them both installed with only my old version of MYthTV requiring qt-3.3.8 That's easy then, switch to MythTV 0.22, it's much better :) -- Neil Bothwick I do not like this dumb machine I really ought to sell it. It never does just what I want But only what I tell it. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:30:19 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I seem to have them both installed with only my old version of MYthTV requiring qt-3.3.8 That's easy then, switch to MythTV 0.22, it's much better :) -- Neil Bothwick I don't care at all that it's much better. I care that what I have works and the family doesn't bother me. My Myth server is PowerPC based and so everytime I switch there's always things to relearn in terms of updating kernel and risks that others don't have. And I cannot update mythfrontend on my desktop machine without updating EVERY machine on the network to 0.22, so that's 2 desktops, 2 dedicated machines hooked to TVs and the server. That's a lot of work just because someone decides they don't want to support it anymore. On the other hand, if the qt4 qt3-support works then I don't update from 0.21 at all. Again, I cannot see the 0.22 gives me anything I care about but there's no way to know until I commit to making the change. Cheers, Mark if everything works, why are you even bothering with updates? Why do you care at all that qt3 is going away? but as I told you, the solution is quickpkg. And for quickly deploying packages: buidpkg BINHOST. have a look at man emerge, man make.conf
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:20:09 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: So am I at any great risk doing an emerge -C qt-3.3 and then expecting revdep-rebuild to fix up mythtv-0.21 with qt-4 using whatever it has ffor qt3-support? I'm __really__ not ready to upgrade my whole MythTV setup 0.22 if 0.21 requires qt-3 and the qt3 support stuff in qt4 doesn't work. That would be very painful for me even given 6 weeks. QT3 and QT4 are different, MythTV 0.21 needs QT3, 0.22 needs QT4. One good thing about this is that QT4 uses split ebuilds, so you need install much less of Qt for a Myth backend. Upgrading from 0.21 to 0.22 was painless AFAIR. I made a backup of the database but didn't need. You do need to upgrade all backends and frontends at the same time, but then it's just a matter of restarting them and you're OK. I did emerge --onlydeps mythtv emerge -B mythtv first so that I could then run emerge -k mythtv on the server to minimise the time it was down. -- Neil Bothwick ... I just forgot to increment the counter, Tom said, nonplussed. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:19:37 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: And I cannot update mythfrontend on my desktop machine without updating EVERY machine on the network to 0.22, so that's 2 desktops, 2 dedicated machines hooked to TVs and the server. That's a lot of work just because someone decides they don't want to support it anymore. I doubt MythTV 0.21 is supported any more, so it's a bit late to be worrying about using unsupported software. Personally, I'm pleased they are no longer spending time on EOL software and devoting it to the current set. By building binary packages, the downtime is minimal and if you use the same themes as before (I don't like the new 0.22 default) there's little relearning for your family. -- Neil Bothwick In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:30:19 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I seem to have them both installed with only my old version of MYthTV requiring qt-3.3.8 That's easy then, switch to MythTV 0.22, it's much better :) -- Neil Bothwick I don't care at all that it's much better. I care that what I have works and the family doesn't bother me. My Myth server is PowerPC based and so everytime I switch there's always things to relearn in terms of updating kernel and risks that others don't have. And I cannot update mythfrontend on my desktop machine without updating EVERY machine on the network to 0.22, so that's 2 desktops, 2 dedicated machines hooked to TVs and the server. That's a lot of work just because someone decides they don't want to support it anymore. On the other hand, if the qt4 qt3-support works then I don't update from 0.21 at all. Again, I cannot see the 0.22 gives me anything I care about but there's no way to know until I commit to making the change. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: Upgrading from 0.21 to 0.22 was painless AFAIR. I made a backup of the database but didn't need. You do need to upgrade all backends and frontends at the same time, but then it's just a matter of restarting them and you're OK. I did emerge --onlydeps mythtv emerge -B mythtv first so that I could then run emerge -k mythtv on the server to minimise the time it was down. It can be painless, but you could also run into the corrupt database encoding problem on Gentoo. I did, and had to follow the steps at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding to fix a partial corruption before the upgrade would succeed. However, I'm quite happy with the behavior and performance of 0.22, so it was definitely worth the pain. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA man...@mclure.org http://www.mclure.org ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 19:22:01 BRM wrote:
- Original Message
From: Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 12:18:59 PM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only
~x86)??? ALSO:
from the qt-4.5.3 ebuild:
KEYWORDS=~alpha amd64 arm hppa ~ia64 ~mips ppc ppc64 -sparc x86
when was the last time you sync'ed?
http://gentoo-portage.com/x11-libs/qt
shows the same thing - qt-4.5.3 is hard masked.
as already mentioned *twice* in the sub-thread you are responding to, qt is
dead. It is a meta ebuild that should not even exist.
The qt- subpackages are very much alive and stable:
$ eix qt-gui
[I] x11-libs/qt-gui
Available versions: (4) 4.5.3-r2 (~)4.6.1 **4.6.-r1[1] **4.-
r1[1]
{+accessibility aqua cups dbus debug exceptions +glib gtk +kde-qt mng
nas nis pch qt3support raster (+)stable-branch tiff xinerama}
Installed versions: 4.6.1(4)(23:21:45 09/02/10)(accessibility cups dbus
glib gtk mng pch qt3support tiff xinerama -aqua -debug -nas -nis -raster)
Homepage:http://qt.nokia.com/
Description: The GUI module for the Qt toolkit
You do not need to emerge qt. Just emerge the stuff that uses qt and let
portage pick the bits needed.
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 18:37:00 Mark Knecht wrote: gcc rebuilds itself twice to ensure that the binary is built with the same version as the result, and verifies that the last two are bit-wise identical. Then building the toolchain, then building the rest of world gives you exactly what you hope to get from doing it twice. And it was you or Neil or someone else here who pointed that out maybe 1-2 years ago so I stopped doing it twice. But, heck, why not? I do a lot of pointless things every day. I only do new installs a few times a year... ;-) Now that you put it that way :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
Neil Bothwick wrote: Because nine years ago, Linux desktop software didn't use interprocess communication. Of course things will still work, but not necessarily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-process_communication http://tldp.org/LDP/tlk/ipc/ipc.html D-Bus is just a YAIPC (Yet-Another-Inter-Process-Communication)... Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far
On 10 Feb 2010, at 17:26, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... The mainboard I use (ASUS M3N-WS) has a working hotswap support (Yes, I tested this) using hotswap drive bays. Take a disk out, Linux actually sees it being removed prior to writing to it and when I stick it back in, it gets a new device assigned. This is very interesting to know. This would be very useful here, even if just for auxiliary use - swapping in a drive from another machine just to clone it, backup or recover data, for instance. Yes, but just for cloning, wouldn't it be just as easy to power down the machine, plug in the drive and then power it back up? Or even stick it on a quick-change USB-case? :) I'd really rather not power the machine down. Likely it's in the middle of a 24-hour DVD rip, or something. A quick-change USB-case (or similar) is the current method, but I have 4 spare hot-swap bays on the front of this box, so slapping the drive in one of those reduces the clutter in the server cabinet. And that does have a tendency to get VERY cluttered, so if I can reduce that it also reduces the potential for human errors (pulling the wrong USB cable by mistake c). Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On 10 Feb 2010, at 20:27, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
The qt- subpackages are very much alive and stable:
$ eix qt-gui
[I] x11-libs/qt-gui
Available versions: (4) 4.5.3-r2 (~)4.6.1 **4.6.-r1[1]
**4.-
r1[1]
{+accessibility aqua cups dbus debug exceptions +glib gtk
+kde-qt mng
nas nis pch qt3support raster (+)stable-branch tiff xinerama}
Installed versions: 4.6.1(4)(23:21:45 09/02/10)(accessibility
cups dbus
glib gtk mng pch qt3support tiff xinerama -aqua -debug -nas -nis -
raster)
Homepage:http://qt.nokia.com/
Description: The GUI module for the Qt toolkit
You do not need to emerge qt. Just emerge the stuff that uses qt and
let
portage pick the bits needed.
I wasn't aware that x11-libs/qt-gui was the new name for x11-libs/
qt. Especially since I had both installed. However I have now
unmerrged x11-libs/qt and `emerge -pvu world` does not show me short
of anything, so I thank you for your help.
Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.4 strikes again
Am Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: Well I only had some issues with packages that didn't have a 4.4 version, like soliduiserver. So I guessed they don't need that anymore and a removed it. Turned out it was a hard block because I had it in world. so? set -virtuoso in make.conf. neither soprano nor kdelibs hard-depend on it. That was the first I tried, but then portage told me that something, it must have been kdelibs, depended on soprano[dbus,raptor,redland,virtuoso]. So next I tried with -semantic-desktop, but that, too, Hm... now it doesn’t anymore. I don’t know what changed it, perhaps the cleanup of old 4.3 packages. :-/ Well, whatever. I let it download over night and install during the afternoon while I was out. Now it’s too late to ponder about it any further. Who knows, perhaps I can even befriend with all that stuff. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' *** Quits: TITANIC (Excess Flood) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. you don't even now what that is. Right? You just don't use 'it' and you are fine. Btw, I am sure you already have it installed with soprano. My understanding is the semantic-desktop is just the latest incarnation of kde's clone of google desktop search which just wastes CPU, memory, and disk space. Personally I don't see the need for this technology as I'm perfectly happy waiting a few seconds on find every few months.
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. you don't even now what that is. Right? You just don't use 'it' and you are fine. Btw, I am sure you already have it installed with soprano. My understanding is the semantic-desktop is just the latest incarnation of kde's clone of google desktop search which just wastes CPU, memory, and disk space. Personally I don't see the need for this technology as I'm perfectly happy waiting a few seconds on find every few months. your understanding is wrong. Completely wrong. Seriously it hurts. start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) and then proceed with the links. google-desktop is something completley different (and something that can be replaced with find, locate and grep).
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. you don't even now what that is. Right? You just don't use 'it' and you are fine. Btw, I am sure you already have it installed with soprano. My understanding is the semantic-desktop is just the latest incarnation of kde's clone of google desktop search which just wastes CPU, memory, and disk space. Personally I don't see the need for this technology as I'm perfectly happy waiting a few seconds on find every few months. your understanding is wrong. Completely wrong. Seriously it hurts. start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) and then proceed with the links. google-desktop is something completley different (and something that can be replaced with find, locate and grep). OK, after reading several articles from the given starting point, I now understand why semantic-desktop wastes so much cpu, memory, and storage (really, if you organize your data properly who cares about a file's relationship to an email?). Also didn't read anything even hinting at security awareness of the technology which is really scary (imagine an attack that get's access to the RDFs, it'd tell the attacker exactly which additional files to target). And since I don't use/like dolphin, I'll stick with my original opinion that the semantic-desktop should be totally disabled/uninstalled. IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years).
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP Again, I cannot see the 0.22 gives me anything I care about but there's no way to know until I commit to making the change. Cheers, Mark if everything works, why are you even bothering with updates? Why do you care at all that qt3 is going away? but as I told you, the solution is quickpkg. And for quickly deploying packages: buidpkg BINHOST. have a look at man emerge, man make.conf Volker, Thanks. I've not used quickpkg before but it seems like a very good short term solution. If I understand correctly I'd do something more or less like this? 1) quickpkg =qt-3.3.8xxx This creates the binary package and stores it in /usr/portage/package. I've done this step and the package is there. 2) emerge -C =qt-3.3.8x to remove the original. Easy when I do it. 3) emerge -pvg =qt-3.3.8b-r2 to get it to use the quickpkg version This all seems to work but it complains a bit about PORTAGE_BINHOST not being set. As best I can tell that's only for using another machine to get the binary? Is that true? Is seems from these commands that it's finding the one I just made. Or is there a format for doing this and pointing at a local directory? firefly ~ # emerge -pvg =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies !!! PORTAGE_BINHOST unset, but use is requested. ... done! [binary R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 USE=cups ipv6 mysql opengl -debug -doc -examples (-firebird) -immqt -immqt-bc -nas -nis -odbc -postgres -sqlite -xinerama Total: 1 package (1 reinstall, 1 binary), Size of downloads: 0 kB firefly ~ # emerge -pv =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 USE=cups ipv6 mysql opengl -debug -doc -examples (-firebird) -immqt -immqt-bc -nas -nis -odbc -postgres -sqlite -xinerama 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB firefly ~ # Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP Again, I cannot see the 0.22 gives me anything I care about but there's no way to know until I commit to making the change. Cheers, Mark if everything works, why are you even bothering with updates? Why do you care at all that qt3 is going away? but as I told you, the solution is quickpkg. And for quickly deploying packages: buidpkg BINHOST. have a look at man emerge, man make.conf Volker, Thanks. I've not used quickpkg before but it seems like a very good short term solution. If I understand correctly I'd do something more or less like this? 1) quickpkg =qt-3.3.8xxx This creates the binary package and stores it in /usr/portage/package. I've done this step and the package is there. 2) emerge -C =qt-3.3.8x to remove the original. Easy when I do it. 3) emerge -pvg =qt-3.3.8b-r2 to get it to use the quickpkg version no. you are using -k not -g. This all seems to work but it complains a bit about PORTAGE_BINHOST not being set. As best I can tell that's only for using another machine to get the binary? Is that true? Is seems from these commands that it's finding the one I just made. Or is there a format for doing this and pointing at a local directory? firefly ~ # emerge -pvg =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies !!! PORTAGE_BINHOST unset, but use is requested. ... done! [binary R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 USE=cups ipv6 mysql opengl -debug -doc -examples (-firebird) -immqt -immqt-bc -nas -nis -odbc -postgres -sqlite -xinerama Total: 1 package (1 reinstall, 1 binary), Size of downloads: 0 kB firefly ~ # emerge -pv =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 USE=cups ipv6 mysql opengl -debug -doc -examples (-firebird) -immqt -immqt-bc -nas -nis -odbc -postgres -sqlite -xinerama 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB firefly ~ # you get that message because you are telling portage to get that package from BINHOST. That is great if you have one machine building packages and the rest of your machines pulling them from the server and install them. What you want/should/must use is -k = usepkg or -K = usepkgonly Also, it is a wise decision to have the buildpkg option set in make.conf, if you have a couple of gb to spare. That helps a lot in cases of bad updates, filesystem damage, or the need to go back a version quickly for whatever reasons.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Jörg Schaible wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. you don't even now what that is. Right? You just don't use 'it' and you are fine. Btw, I am sure you already have it installed with soprano. My understanding is the semantic-desktop is just the latest incarnation of kde's clone of google desktop search which just wastes CPU, memory, and disk space. Personally I don't see the need for this technology as I'm perfectly happy waiting a few seconds on find every few months. your understanding is wrong. Completely wrong. Seriously it hurts. start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) and then proceed with the links. google-desktop is something completley different (and something that can be replaced with find, locate and grep). Well, in 4.3.x I eliminated it after the first try, because it took so many resources of my machine, that I could not use it for something else. So, you mean, in 4.4.x it takes only a 10% of the resources it took with 4.3.x? LOL, although I really like the idea of the semantic desktop, I rather have a usable machine ... - Jörg I don't know what load it creates because I never even have any negative impact. Yes, there is some nepomuk stuff sleeping in the background and it has zero impact on my desktop behaviour.
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. you don't even now what that is. Right? You just don't use 'it' and you are fine. Btw, I am sure you already have it installed with soprano. My understanding is the semantic-desktop is just the latest incarnation of kde's clone of google desktop search which just wastes CPU, memory, and disk space. Personally I don't see the need for this technology as I'm perfectly happy waiting a few seconds on find every few months. your understanding is wrong. Completely wrong. Seriously it hurts. start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) and then proceed with the links. google-desktop is something completley different (and something that can be replaced with find, locate and grep). OK, after reading several articles from the given starting point, I now understand why semantic-desktop wastes so much cpu, memory, and storage (really, if you organize your data properly who cares about a file's relationship to an email?). because to 'organize it properly' you would need a huge directory tree plus symlinks plus explaining notes to even simulate a small token of the stuff 'semantic desktop' can do for you.. Also didn't read anything even hinting at security awareness of the technology which is really scary (imagine an attack that get's access to the RDFs, those RDFs are in your home directory. If someone can read your home you are screwed anyway. it'd tell the attacker exactly which additional files to target). oh yes, reading stuff about emails tells him to read more emails. That is scary. And since I don't use/like dolphin, I'll stick with my original opinion that the semantic-desktop should be totally disabled/uninstalled. and you can do that. Oh wow. That useflag only turns on soprano. Nothing else. Which means nothing. You are not forced to use that stuff. IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). yeah good luck with that. Because gnome is moving in that direction too. Seriously guys, you start sounding like luddites. Is new, must be bad.
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP firefly ~ # emerge -pvg =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 Ah, instead I should use emerge --usepkg =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 No errors or warnings. Nice! Now Myth works no matter what happens in portage to qt... Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: OK, after reading several articles from the given starting point, I now understand why semantic-desktop wastes so much cpu, memory, and storage (really, if you organize your data properly who cares about a file's relationship to an email?). because to 'organize it properly' you would need a huge directory tree plus symlinks plus explaining notes to even simulate a small token of the stuff 'semantic desktop' can do for you.. Haven't had a problem organizing my data in 25 years and currently run a 3 system cluster with ~8TB of data. The only benefit that the semantic desktop seems to deliver is to waste resources. Also didn't read anything even hinting at security awareness of the technology which is really scary (imagine an attack that get's access to the RDFs, those RDFs are in your home directory. If someone can read your home you are screwed anyway. it'd tell the attacker exactly which additional files to target). oh yes, reading stuff about emails tells him to read more emails. That is scary. But tagging files (say stock spreedsheets, bank records, financial bookmarks, tax records) with tags (say 'bank, money, finance') all in one place would simplify a targeted attack. And since I don't use/like dolphin, I'll stick with my original opinion that the semantic-desktop should be totally disabled/uninstalled. and you can do that. Oh wow. That useflag only turns on soprano. Nothing else. Which means nothing. You are not forced to use that stuff. So just another database server wasting resources. Not too bad as long as nepomuk and strigi are disabled. Now to find the network ports soprano uses to make sure they are blocked from leaving the machine... Yes, I know, one of the really scary goals of the semantic-desktop is to share RDFs, definitely don't want that. IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). yeah good luck with that. Because gnome is moving in that direction too. Seriously guys, you start sounding like luddites. Is new, must be bad. This technology does not have a good track record (invasive cpu, memory, disk usage) for very dubious benefits. I have not found any cost vs. benefits vs. risks articles. Just a bunch of we think this will be great if you just use it type articles that can't even explain how it would be great.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:25:31 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I don't know what load it creates because I never even have any negative impact. Yes, there is some nepomuk stuff sleeping in the background and it has zero impact on my desktop behaviour. It's the Strigi indexer that can affect performance. I only notice it on my desktop because of the increased drive noise. It's a three year old dual core box, but there's no real impact. On the other hand, it brings my Eee PC 1005 to its knees, which is why it's turned off on that. -- Neil Bothwick Linuxgeek How do i find the model of my card? Serena[T] your nick is misleading, seriously signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On 11 Feb 2010, at 00:01, Jörg Schaible wrote: ... your understanding is wrong. Completely wrong. Seriously it hurts. start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) and then proceed with the links. google-desktop is something completley different (and something that can be replaced with find, locate and grep). Well, in 4.3.x I eliminated it after the first try, because it took so many resources of my machine, that I could not use it for something else. So, you mean, in 4.4.x it takes only a 10% of the resources it took with 4.3.x? LOL, although I really like the idea of the semantic desktop, I rather have a usable machine ... I don't use KDE, but when I freshly install Mac OS (or migrate to a new hard-drive) the Spotlight indexing hammers the drive for several hours. It is not reasonable to compare performance during this initial indexing period. There is no way the likes of `find`, `grep` and `locate` - useful as they are - can operate as efficiently as this kind of indexing (and Spotlight is pretty damn poor - your KDE implementation is surely loads better). I love `find`, `grep` and `locate` - they're fantastic, but my typical usage of them is to perform strict batch operations. If I just want to open a document then why would I wait for `find`, `grep` - or go hunting around manually in sub-directories of sub- directories - when I can just type a keyword into the search box and find it immediately? I cannot for a moment believe that you (Roy) can organise your files so that you can find them easier than typing a search term clicking on the correct result. You just don't want to try it because your current methods are good enough for you, but this isn't good grounds on which to complain about KDE moving on with their development of a state-of-the-art desktop which will actually make life easier for millions of other people (people who aren't afraid to try it). After the initial index, data is only indexed when you save a file, using inotify [1], which is built into the kernel for maximum efficiency. (Please correct me if I'm wrong about KDE's implementation). So in actual real world usage, the result is that it takes a fraction of a second longer when you save an Open Office document. My 5 year old desktop can handle this overhead just fine. A £100 Core 2 Duo + motherboard combo would surely handle it MUCH better. I trust you can see why I'm dubious of claims of poor performance. I don't wish to seem rude, being strident with my arguments here. This is just the way I see it. Stroller. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inotify
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). It's so mandatory it takes a whole mouse click to turn it off :( -- Neil Bothwick Old hitchhikers never die-they just throw in the towel. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:34:06 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: emerge --usepkg =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8b-r2 No errors or warnings. Nice! Now Myth works no matter what happens in portage to qt... Except you won't get any updates to Qt is a security hole is discovered, that's the main reason for adding the kde-sunset overlay. -- Neil Bothwick Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On 11 Feb 2010, at 01:14, Roy Wright wrote: ... because to 'organize it properly' you would need a huge directory tree plus symlinks plus explaining notes to even simulate a small token of the stuff 'semantic desktop' can do for you.. Haven't had a problem organizing my data in 25 years ... The only benefit that the semantic desktop seems to deliver is to waste resources. I resisted in my last email the temptation to mention that some of these complaints about semantic desktop sound like my father talking. But there you are ... Also didn't read anything even hinting at security awareness of the technology which is really scary (imagine an attack that get's access to the RDFs, those RDFs are in your home directory. If someone can read your home you are screwed anyway. it'd tell the attacker exactly which additional files to target). oh yes, reading stuff about emails tells him to read more emails. That is scary. But tagging files (say stock spreedsheets, bank records, financial bookmarks, tax records) with tags (say 'bank, money, finance') all in one place would simplify a targeted attack. In the case of an attack ALL of your data will be stealthily copied so that the attacker will go over it later. and you can do that. Oh wow. That useflag only turns on soprano. Nothing else. Which means nothing. You are not forced to use that stuff. So just another database server wasting resources. ... Do you also complain about the spellchecker wasting resources, as it parses the words you type? In my father's day they were taught spelling rigidly at school like parrots, so they had no need for this new-fangled nonsense. In my father's day they never made spelling mistakes (yeah, right!). This technology does not have a good track record (invasive cpu, memory, disk usage) for very dubious benefits. I have not found any cost vs. benefits vs. risks articles. Just a bunch of we think this will be great if you just use it type articles that can't even explain how it would be great. My father can find all his banking records for the last 25 years because he keeps them in a metal filing cabinet. He has to open the correct draw, find the right file, leaf slowly through his bank statements in order to find the right one. However well you claim to have your files organised, I'll bet you waste time opening the wrong drawer (clicking on the wrong folder) once in a while. I, on the other hand, can find my statements by hitting ctrl-space, typing amex and selecting the folder which comes up in the search results. That folder is probably somewhere like /Documents/Personal/ Financial/Statements/Amex, but I don't need to know that (it could be in Documents/Bank/ or elsewhere) nor do I need to navigate through several folders looking for it. I just type what I'm looking for and it's there. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 08:29 -0600, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: For example, Network Manager uses D-Bus to tell programs when your Internet connection is available and not, so your mail client goes into offline mode rather than pointlessly trying to access your mailbox. KDE4 uses it quite extensively, ust as KDE3 used DCOP. So that's why when I am downloading something it doesn't check my emails. I was always curious about that. that shouldn't be the case - what email client are you using? Evolution supports this (with the networkmanager USE flag*) but it goes offline when all your interfaces are down, not just in use like heavy downloading. * actually the USE flag (networkmanager instead of dbus) and the comments on it suggest that it talks directly to NetworkManager and not via dbus, but I don't actually know. $ equery u evolution ... - + networkmanager : Allows Evolution to automagically toggle online/offline mode by talking to net-misc/networkmanager and getting the current network state -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au She always believed in the old adage -- leave them while you're looking good. -- Anita Loos, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 08:29 -0600, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: For example, Network Manager uses D-Bus to tell programs when your Internet connection is available and not, so your mail client goes into offline mode rather than pointlessly trying to access your mailbox. KDE4 uses it quite extensively, ust as KDE3 used DCOP. So that's why when I am downloading something it doesn't check my emails. I was always curious about that. that shouldn't be the case - what email client are you using? Evolution supports this (with the networkmanager USE flag*) but it goes offline when all your interfaces are down, not just in use like heavy downloading. * actually the USE flag (networkmanager instead of dbus) and the comments on it suggest that it talks directly to NetworkManager and not via dbus, but I don't actually know. $ equery u evolution ... - + networkmanager : Allows Evolution to automagically toggle online/offline mode by talking to net-misc/networkmanager and getting the current network state I use Seamonkey 2 right now. You may be able to tell that by that pesky line at the top. It appears Seamonkey has a roach or two rambling around in there. Anyway, maybe it is just that the download is making it slow enough that it just cancels the request when it is busy. I dunno. I have noticed tho that I don't get emails for a while when I am downloading something large but if I hit the 'get messages' button, then I get a lot of messages that appear to be time stamped from a good while ago. Maybe this is just a coincidence or something. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 22:54 -0600, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: what _is_ that?! (Don't tell me, if we ignore it maybe it will go away) On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 08:29 -0600, Dale wrote: I use Seamonkey 2 right now. You may be able to tell that by that pesky line at the top. It appears Seamonkey has a roach or two rambling around in there. Anyway, maybe it is just that the download is making it slow enough that it just cancels the request when it is busy. I dunno. I have noticed tho that I don't get emails for a while when I am downloading something large but if I hit the 'get messages' button, then I get a lot of messages that appear to be time stamped from a good while ago. Maybe this is just a coincidence or something. maybe. It could be that Seamonkey is detecting your network usage somehow, like azureus can, but I would think that emails are important and I doubt would be subject to this idea. Maybe the timestamps are when the message was sent but it took some time to get to you? (happens sometimes). Could also be the senders clock is wrong... Otherwise I'd get a can of bug-spray, spray your cat5 and phone cables and see what falls out ;) -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Tart words make no friends; a spoonful of honey will catch more flies than a gallon of vinegar. -- B. Franklin
Re: [gentoo-user] Qt3 deprecated, but Qt4 still not x86 (only ~x86)???
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 22:51:00 Stroller wrote:
On 10 Feb 2010, at 20:27, Alan McKinnon wrote:
...
The qt- subpackages are very much alive and stable:
$ eix qt-gui
[I] x11-libs/qt-gui
Available versions: (4) 4.5.3-r2 (~)4.6.1 **4.6.-r1[1]
**4.-
r1[1]
{+accessibility aqua cups dbus debug exceptions +glib gtk
+kde-qt mng
nas nis pch qt3support raster (+)stable-branch tiff xinerama}
Installed versions: 4.6.1(4)(23:21:45 09/02/10)(accessibility
cups dbus
glib gtk mng pch qt3support tiff xinerama -aqua -debug -nas -nis -
raster)
Homepage:http://qt.nokia.com/
Description: The GUI module for the Qt toolkit
You do not need to emerge qt. Just emerge the stuff that uses qt and
let
portage pick the bits needed.
I wasn't aware that x11-libs/qt-gui was the new name for x11-libs/
qt. Especially since I had both installed. However I have now
unmerrged x11-libs/qt and `emerge -pvu world` does not show me short
of anything, so I thank you for your help.
It's not.
qt is a deprectaed meta package.
qt-gui is one of the split ebuilds that form part of the whole of Qt. There
are about another 10 or so.
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Broadcom firmware doesn't work with 2.6.32-r4
Hi collective, I just upgraded from linux-2.6.32-tuxonice-r1 to r4 and my network card no longer works. It is Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5756ME Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express and previously I've downloaded firmware from http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/linux-firmware-from-kernel.git;a=tree;f=tigon and put it in /lib/firmware/tigon The config option is tg3, built into the kernel. dmesg shows: $ dmesg | grep -i tg3 tg3.c:v3.102 (September 1, 2009) tg3 :09:00.0: PCI INT A - GSI 17 (level, low) - IRQ 17 tg3 :09:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 tg3 :09:00.0: firmware: requesting tigon/tg3_tso.bin tg3: tg3_load_firmware_cpu: Trying to load TX cpu firmware on eth0 which is 5705. tg3: tg3_load_firmware_cpu: Trying to load TX cpu firmware on eth0 which is 5705. I don't know if the last two lines are normally there or not. The firmware at the above link hasn't changed (according to cksum). Google searches only produce the source code, which is pretty but doesn't help. The error detection around the print message hasn't changed since -r1. Any ideas? I'm stuck using wireless, but that's dropping in and out all the time! thanks, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 02:18:43PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as it should. Then how did things manage to work on my systems for the past 9 years, pray tell? Because nine years ago, Linux desktop software didn't use interprocess communication. Of course things will still work, but not necessarily everything. For example, Network Manager uses D-Bus to tell programs when your Internet connection is available and not, so your mail client goes into offline mode rather than pointlessly trying to access your mailbox. KDE4 uses it quite extensively, ust as KDE3 used DCOP. There is too much solution-in-search-of-a-problem here. XMMS followed the original Unix philosophy... it did one thing did it right, namely playing audio. Unfortunately, XMMS was hard-coded to use a now obsolete GTK library. The successor to XMMS is Audacious. It seems to subscribe to the Microsoft philosophy, and tries to do everything under the sun, and pretends it's a server, which requires dbus. Is it *REALLY* necessary? I used XMMS to play mp3's and Live365.com. I ended up switching to mpg123 for both functions when XMMS was dropped, and then to the Flash player for Live365. I emerged Audacious, but unmerged it when I saw the post-install warning that said not to submit any Audacious bug reports if I don't have dbus installed. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
