Blush.
Some corrections to my overly hasty post below:
I misread the table I found for heat transfer coefficients at
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/overall-heat-transfer-coefficients-d_284.html.
It turns out heat transfer coefficients are not so easy to predict, but
(consistent with
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Mon, 9 May 2011 21:20:04 -0400
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:You do NOT need dry steam to get electricity
Years ago a lot of money was put into OTEC generation, which has very
small
temperature
Hi,
If I recall correctly Rossi already mentioned coupling his device with a
Stirling engine, which only needs a hot and cold side.
The Stirling engine can then be used with a linear generator to generate
electricity.
These Stirling engines/generators are already used on a small scale (in
Joshua,
You are free to express your opinion on the Rossi's e-Cat matter, and you
certainly have done that in more than one discussion group.
Typically, after I make my case I try to move on. Flawed as I may be on
occasion, I also try to learn something new about this controversial process
from
Lewan added a note to this article:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3173090.ece
NOTE:
*Update: Investigation of patentability is made for applications to the
Italian Patent Office from 1 July 2008 onwards (see decree
Angela Kemmler wrote:
Yes, why not. But please consider the practical efficiency: 3%. That is a value
you reach also with thermoelectric elements.
I believe it is more like 10% these days. I am assuming that rapid
progress in thermoelectricity will be made, in response to cold fusion.
As I
noone noone wrote:
I think the NRC can try, but it will not last long.
I am a bit more concerned about the powers that be trying to tax the
energy produced to high heaven.
It would be difficult to do this, because the energy will eventually be
generated on site by small machines. To tax it
Yes - that is exactly why I mentioned a particular organic Rankine cycle
Turbine which can provide close to 15% thermal efficiency at 500 C :
http://www.infinityturbine.com/ORC/ORC_Waste_Heat_Turbine.html
There are others, but the Stirling is in a lower range of efficiency. Since
Infinity
Hello Jed,
First of all, I would personally like to thank you for being a voice of reason
on this forum.
My concern is that energy is taxed heavily right now, and the powers that be
will try to find some way to make up for the lost revenue. I think there are
many ways they could go about
In other words, you've got nothin' but vague, unsupported insults.
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Joshua,
You are free to express your opinion on the Rossi's e-Cat matter, and you
certainly have done that in more than one
The money saved by not being at all involved in the midEast, reduced
military expenses, oil, wind, solar subsidies, nuclear regulatiory agency,
and anti pollution efforts will more than make up for the loss of fuel
taxes, but the gov't will find a way anyway -- hence the home made E-Cat
business
noone noone wrote:
2) They could try to tax every vehicle that uses the E-Cat. They could
state, Since we are losing revenue from taxes on gasoline, we will
need to add an upfront tax on every E-Cat powered vehicle. Otherwise,
we will not be able to pay to maintain the roads.
This is
Hi,
On 10-5-2011 17:03, Jed Rothwell wrote:
noone noone wrote:
2) They could try to tax every vehicle that uses the E-Cat. They
could state, Since we are losing revenue from taxes on gasoline, we
will need to add an upfront tax on every E-Cat powered vehicle.
Otherwise, we will not be able
From Jed:
3. Use many more toll roads, with electronic toll collection rather than
toll gates, so that traffic does not have to slow down or stop. This has
been proposed in Georgia to replace some of the High Occupancy
Vehicle (HOV) lanes.
They already have set up a lot of fast lane toll
After it is requested to make electric power, the responsiveness of the
Cat-E is problematical. The Cat-E is not the ideal home power generator
because it will take time to get steam up. Upon a call for power, it may
take 5 or 10 minutes before the steam generator is putting out the amount of
This is already becoming an issue, with high efficiency hybrid
vehicles and electric vehicles. I think three solutions are available:
Or we could sell the roads and let the market work out pricing and
payment. :)
Craig Haynie
Manchester, NH
Where is the best place to site the Cat-E in a home?
In order to keep the need for distilled water low, a steam condenser will be
required to reject waste heat to the immediate environment.
In a 10 kw system, 8.5 Kws of waste heat will be pumped into the
environment.
Installing the Cat-E
From Joshua:
In other words, you've got nothin' but vague,
unsupported insults.
In my view, it doesn't matter if my vague unsupported insults (which I
freely admit were done at your expense) are correct or not.
You seem to believe that you have Rossi's occasionally troubling heat
measurements
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:32 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
They already have set up a lot of fast lane toll gates in Illinois.
You purchase a box and affix it to the inside of your windshield.
You go to a web site and monitor your funds account. It's pretty
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
This is already becoming an issue, with high efficiency hybrid vehicles and
electric vehicles. I think three solutions are available:
Washington state is considering a flat fee:
Hi,
On 10-5-2011 17:36, Axil Axil wrote:
After it is requested to make electric power, the responsiveness of
the Cat-E is problematical. The Cat-E is not the ideal home power
generator because it will take time to get steam up. Upon a call for
power, it may take 5 or 10 minutes before the
From Axil:
...
Pumping the waste heat underground may be a solution, but would add
substantially to the cost of a Cat-E installation.
Speculating a bit more on this topic...
It seems to me that waste heat could eventually turn into a global
environmental problem. Assuming e-Cat technology
Most people live in big cities. They congregate at high densities. Personal
electric production is not possible in big cities. City dwellers live in
high rise apartments, condos and row houses. There is no place to put all
that waste heat. A personal electric production system with an efficiency
Hi,
On 10-5-2011 18:27, Axil Axil wrote:
Most people live in big cities. They congregate at high densities.
Personal electric production is not possible in big cities. City
dwellers live in high rise apartments, condos and row houses. There is
no place to put all that waste heat. A personal
You stated that the Cat-E should be maintained in hot mode 24/7/365. For
almost all of that time, the Cat-E in this mode supports only a few watts of
needed electric power. This reduces its effective efficiency to very low
levels since almost all of its power is sent to waste heat.
Today people
Jones Beene wrote:
As for the TEG - there is no thermoelectric generator available as a
commercial item which will guaranteed 5% efficiency today. Wiki says the
best is 3%. Even at 3% you get no guarantee, and they fail easily.
Here is a commercial TEG that is 5.4% efficient:
Axil Axil wrote:
After it is requested to make electric power, the responsiveness of
the Cat-E is problematical. The Cat-E is not the ideal home power
generator because it will take time to get steam up. Upon a call for
power, it may take 5 or 10 minutes before the steam generator is
putting
Hi,
On 10-5-2011 19:05, Axil Axil wrote:
You stated that the Cat-E should be maintained in hot mode 24/7/365.
For almost all of that time, the Cat-E in this mode supports only a
few watts of needed electric power. This reduces its effective
efficiency to very low levels since almost all of
Akira, I think 6 in your dwg http://i.imgur.com/QOLXZ.png
might be a temp sensor .
Some questions:
1. Since it appears Rossi went from a cu reactor in the patent to a SS
reactor presently shown in the photos can we make the assumption that both
work in the same capacity when the
Axil Axil wrote:
Where is the best place to site the Cat-E in a home?
It does not matter. You have to have a chimney and blower for the waste
heat no matter where you put it.
In order to keep the need for distilled water low, a steam condenser
will be required to reject waste heat to
From Joshua:
...
Eventually, in a few years Rossi will simply fade away
like Patterson from the 90s, and the CF community will
make excuses like his stock of lucky catalyst ran out
and he found he was unable to make more, and you will
refuse to admit you were wrong.
Thank you for sharing
Axil Axil wrote:
You stated that the Cat-E should be maintained in hot mode 24/7/365.
For almost all of that time, the Cat-E in this mode supports only a
few watts of needed electric power. This reduces its effective
efficiency to very low levels since almost all of its power is sent to
Your view of humanity is clouded by unwarranted optimism.
I see humanity as selfish, slovenly, and wanton creatures whose unlimited
appetites are only constrained by cost.
In the face of unlimited free power extreme excess is to be expected; a Jevons
paradox run wild.
Jed sez:
...
...In other words, we may need a few hundred thousand reverse oil wells.
All the energy we got out of burning oil and coal we may need to put into
undoing the results and burying the fuel.
Heh!
... which x'plains how the current supply of underground fossil fuels
came into
In an earlier post svj wrote:
As best as I can tell, you appear to be transfixed at ground zero,
seemingly
acting as the last remaining sane skeptic in this sorry gullible world, the
one last intelligent, logical, rational, person left who knows better, who
knows he is absolutely certain Rossi's
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote:
As for the TEG - there is no thermoelectric generator available as a
commercial item which will guaranteed 5% efficiency today. Wiki says the
best is 3%. Even at 3% you get no guarantee, and they fail easily.
JR: Here is a
Jones Beene wrote:
Where is the mainly successful work from Rossi?
His biofuel Diesel engines have evidently made him a lot of money.
In fact, has not the guy not been mostly a failure for his entire career?
Mostly measured how? If you are tallying up the number of failed
attempts versus
Hi,
On 10-5-2011 19:19, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Jones Beene wrote:
As for the TEG - there is no thermoelectric generator available as a
commercial item which will guaranteed 5% efficiency today. Wiki says the
best is 3%. Even at 3% you get no guarantee, and they fail easily.
Here is a
I never could draw a distinction between a scam and shrewd and adroit
business practices.
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Jones Beene wrote:
Where is the mainly successful work from Rossi?
His biofuel Diesel engines have evidently made him a lot
Hi,
On 10-5-2011 22:04, Axil Axil wrote:
I never could draw a distinction between a scam and shrewd and adroit
business practices.
Well the dictionaries are quite clear about this:
Definitions of scam
1. [n] - a fraudulent business scheme
Definitions of adroit
1. [adj] - skillful (or
In 2002, the GWE (Genesis World Energy) group was in the News, claiming to
have 400 scientists and engineers employed, and having developed a fabulous
new kind of free energy device... which was demonstrated as a nice looking
prototype, and a fully working unit for home power. Deliveries were
MoB you must be an idealist.
The main and some cynics say the only goal of business is to make money.
Skillfully adapting means to making money does not necessarily imply meeting
the needs and expectations of customers.
Today, the overriding mandate of sound business practice is to
Hi,
On 10-5-2011 22:33, Jones Beene wrote:
So Defkalion, it can be argued - could have improved on the basic pump and
dump scam in many ways, but there may be no proof of that until it is too
late, since this is all taking place in Europe. But with OPEC oil now four
times higher than when the
Jones Beene wrote:
So Defkalion, it can be argued - could have improved on the basic pump and
dump scam in many ways, but there may be no proof of that until it is too
late . . .
It can be argued in what sense? Are you or are you not accusing people
of criminal activities? Do you have any
I am no expert on this, but doesn’t the first amendment protect Jones Beene
from any possible legal harm?
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Jones Beene wrote:
So Defkalion, it can be argued - could have improved on the basic pump
and
dump scam in
Joshua,
In one of my original posts I stated the fact that, in my opinion,
Rossi's current e-Cat configurations are probably not configured in
such a manner as to generate steam that is much above 100 C. I don't
think the water once it's transformed into steam has a chance to hang
around long
Hello all!
I've got a question that I believe you could help me with:
I understand that the coulomb barrier is the point at which the Strong
Force will become dominant, and overcome the natural repulsion of two
nuclei as they are moved closer together. But can neutrons penetrate the
coulomb
Defences to claims of defamation include:
- *Statements made in a good faith and reasonable belief that they were
true * are generally treated the same as true statements; however, the
court may inquire into the reasonableness of the belief. The degree of care
expected will vary with
From Jones:
...
Let me make it clear that there is no proof that they are planning a better
GWE scam, and there is no proof that they are legitimate either. The intent
of this post goes to the old Chinese(?) proverb fool me once, shame on you,
fool me twice shame on me
This is just my
On 05/10/2011 06:24 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
If it comes down to it, I think Fair comment on a matter of public
interest is Jones best defence.
I'm not a lawyer, but in general it's very difficult to actually condemn
someone on defamation charges.
Accusing someone of defamation, and
Axil Axil wrote:
I am no expert on this, but doesn’t the first amendment protect Jones
Beene from any possible legal harm?
Not if it is libel. That is not protected speech.
So far I doubt anyone would say it is libel, but I think it would be
wise for Beene to state clearly that he is not
As much as I detest Trump's general attitude (and hair style), he is allowed to
speak his mind, and occasionally there is something to it. Did you call the
authorities on the Donald because he doesn't like unions and you do? You may
not agree with him, but he has a right not to like minorities,
Mauro Lacy wrote:
I'm not a lawyer, but in general it's very difficult to actually
condemn someone on defamation charges.
Accusing someone of defamation, and prosecuting him on those grounds,
is a different matter.
I am not worried that anyone is going to prosecute Beene. Hundreds of
people
When it comes down to a legal battle, it's not who is right or who is
wrong, it' who has the most money. If some rich SoB wants to come
after you for slander or libel, you have to defend yourself. If he
has a murder of lawyers at his disposal, he can break you, lose, and
drag out the appeals
This just in...
Scientists surprised by solar wind data retrieved from Genesis mission
May 10, 2011
Amina Khan, Los Angeles Times
But much of the collected material did survive the crash, and it's now turning
up surprises:
unexpected discrepancies between the composition of the sun and that
Craig,
I don't if this helps, but most metals tend to be relatively transparent to
neutrons, due to the scattering cross-section which is caused by spin, not by
anything related to charge. The Coulomb barrier is not involved AFIK with
neutrons.
A few metals like cadmium will absorb neutrons
Perhaps some more pieces to the puzzle...
1) There was a recent article (within last 2 months) in PhysOrg that had to do
with how angular
momentum (rotational energy) was converted into other forms of E.
2) Doppler effect found even at molecular level (PhysOrg, May 11, 2011).
-Mark
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Joshua,
In one of my original posts I stated the fact that, in my opinion,
Rossi's current e-Cat configurations are probably not configured in
such a manner as to generate steam that is much above
On 05/10/2011 06:50 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Axil Axil wrote:
I am no expert on this, but doesn’t the first amendment protect Jones
Beene from any possible legal harm?
Not if it is libel. That is not protected speech.
So far I doubt anyone would say it is libel, but I think it
In order to account for discrepancies in the abundance of certain elements
in the universe, the cosmologists and astrophysicists have come up with the
concept of unusual nuclear-genesis in the layers of fast spinning stars.
*“This high rate of spin would cause overlap between inner and outer
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 9 May 2011 11:12:34 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Hmm ... Well actually, the boron could be the critical difference, and until
today it has been under the radar - have you seen anyone even consider the
possibility that boron could be the active heat source?
Yes -
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell
The issue here is not legal, but ethical.
YES, YES, YES - and I think that given the history of scams in the
alternative energy field, it is Rothwell's conduct which is unethical and
without justification !
There is no doubt, that if the
Good work Robin!
However, would you not agree with me that this reaction, however desirable,
is unlikely due to VB finding zero gammas?
Jones
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Hmm ... Well actually, the boron could be the critical difference, and
until today it has been
In reply to Kyle Mcallister's message of Mon, 9 May 2011 16:09:30 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
That's not fission level energy, or even fusion level energy. That's talking
within the order of magnitude of converting rest mass directly into energy.
Assuming by ton of oil he means 'tonne of oil
In reply to Colin Hercus's message of Tue, 10 May 2011 10:32:34 +0800:
Hi,
[snip]
Hi,
Reading Rossi's patent it seems Boron Lead are used not just for shielding
but to absorb the energy from the radiation. What I was wondering if there
is any specific radiation that would need lead vs a cheaper
If we are confining protons in the metal lattice where they encounter thermal
electrons which move relatively slow, and it these thermal electrons combine
with the proton, then voila!
Perhaps we then have slow neutrons drifting through the Coulomb Barrier.
From Joshua
...
But I'm glad in this post you actually said something about
the experiment, and gave me an opportunity to state my
(non-rhetorical) case in another way. I really don't expect
to be able to convince you of anything, but there are other
people who read this who might like the
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:11 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
FWIW:
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/ufos--extraterrestrials/alien-fro
m-zeta-reticula-leaked-footage.html
Whew! All I can say is that with those fingers, it could be a
professional
The Rossi patent appears to be full of theoretical blather. Either that, or
Rossi is Newton and Einstein rolled into one, and he will revolutionize 21st
century physics. We'll see how that comes out.
A point I would like to make is that Rossi may well be right about the
calorimetry but wrong
On 11-05-10 05:13 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
*From:*Axil Axil
I am no expert on this, but doesn’t the first amendment protect Jones
Beene from any possible legal harm?
Of course it does.
Jones, am I correct in my impression that you are, in fact, a lawyer?
Just wondering
Of course,
Wait a minute Steven, I think Rossi has shown adequate but not rock-solid
evidence for a strong energy anomaly. How does that make me a skeptic?
However, if you take all the evidence weighted strongly towards the Swedish
testing and VB, then it looks like it is non-nuclear gain. Does that make
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I have already communicated with Rossi on this matter, and he admits there
is a
typo in the patent application.
Imagine making a typo in a patent application! What an amateur thing to do.
Disgraceful.
- Jed
In reply to Joshua Cude's message of Mon, 9 May 2011 23:19:05 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
What makes that private experiment even harder to take seriously is the
claimed 130 kW excursion. Rossi has on occasion mentioned an optimum
operating temperature of about 400C. If this temperature provides the usual
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 10 May 2011 09:51:50 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
... besides, I suspect that any government trying to do this would find that
their reign only lasted until the next election, at which point they would be
replaced by whichever party promised to repeal the tax. :)
I wrote:
I also agree that Rossi has a habit of getting involved with people he
should not, and making himself look bad. His web pages are a case in point.
Especially the part where he lists an advisor who does not seem to exist.
Now we learn he made a typo in a patent application.
This is
The thing that makes it stranger than fiction is that *IF* there is a
problem, and there may not be then the perpetrators may have originally
been looking only for a Stanley-Meyer type of self-deluded inventor
and
yet lo and behold they stumbled onto a guy who really does have a bona
fide
It wouldn't doubt it if Rossi has been working tirelessly, 16 hour days or
more, for 6 months
straight or longer... is there any doubt that he might tend to make more than
the usual number of
errors in his recollections, and mistakes when writing/reviewing patents and
such.
Don't know about
Abd wrote:
Well, if it were that easy to make neutrons, we'd be making them all the time.
Perhaps not... Spectroscopy is everywhere and its only specific wavelengths of
light that are
absorbed/emitted. What if the conditions in the lattice are such that there's
a harmonic
relationship between
Tadahiko Mizuno is officially retired from Hokkaido U., but he is hanging
around the campus doing research, mainly on cold fusion. He hopes to publish
some papers soon. Ten years ago retired profs were not allowed to hang
around because they exercised too much influence, I think, but that rule has
Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
It wouldn't doubt it if Rossi has been working tirelessly, 16 hour days or
more, for 6 months straight or longer... is there any doubt that he might
tend to make more than the usual number of errors in his recollections, and
mistakes when
Bohr orbit. It takes energy -- a lot of energy, apparently, -- to
bring an electron and a proton into close proximity.
Actually it takes the removal of lots of energy to bring an electron and proton
together. it is only orbital energy that can maintain their separation; this
is its energy
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:12 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
This is based on the assumption that the actual operating temperature is
indeed
400C @ 15 kW. If it's in fact much less, then 130 kW for a short period may
not
be a problem. Perhaps it only gets up to 400C when the output is really
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Wm. Scott Smith scott...@hotmail.comwrote:
Bohr orbit. It takes energy -- a lot of energy, apparently, -- to
bring an electron and a proton into close proximity.
Actually it takes the *removal *of lots of energy to bring an electron and
proton together.
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