- Original Message -
From: Bob Higgins
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
I thought it was important to say more explicitly why I believe the Mills
demo calorimetry may be flawed. I hope the enclosed
not inclined to start an argument with
you.
Jojo
- Original Message -
*From:* Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:14 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
I did not notice this.
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar
The thing is, if you look at Mills theory it tries to model not QED but all
different particles and forces just by setting up photons and charge
distributions. Id do
look like QED and hydrinos does not match, the hydrinos start to get good
exposure as a valid theory, QED have been verified a lot
The photon exchange seen in spectra of hydrinos comes from modifications of
properties in hydrinos without changing the type of hydrino. You probably
need a special QM theory
for hydrinos to see them. But Mill can calculate those spectra quite well,
more on this in another email.
On Wed, Jul 30,
Sure,
First of all the prediction and measurements can be found in
http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation.pdf
Take page 76, if you follow the references there for you will find that the
formula is most probable well motivated. If not you have a
From: Eric Walker
What I mean is that the staff at the Doe Library have been crucial in directing
me to where I could get a visitor library card, so that I could look at journal
articles.
Eric
Try Bechtel/Kresge. You do not need a visitors card there and they have most of
:* Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:28 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
I thought it was important to say more explicitly why I believe the
Mills demo calorimetry may be flawed. I hope the enclosed
Bob,
Excellent post.
This is my sentiment exactly. Somehow, Mills’ supporters are so touchy with how
they view accurate criticism towards their golden-boy hero, that they forget
that like all of us, Mills can be both right and wrong on major details of the
same technology… which
.
Also, the COP was 4+ based on this specific single explosion, Mills did
not claim COP of 2.
Jojo
- Original Message -
*From:* Bob Higgins
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:28 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
I thought
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Somehow, Mills’ supporters are so touchy with how they view accurate
criticism towards their golden-boy hero,
He's a ginger:
http://imgur.com/W494hZ0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Kids
Like so much in LENR theory, the hydrino is born in the process of human
concept formation. Humans understand the world by a series of observations
and then they form a concept to try to understand those observations.
It’s the duck process.
If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck and it
All paths lead to the quantum vacuum, we appear to be immersed in it.
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Like so much in LENR theory, the hydrino is born in the process of human
concept formation. Humans understand the world by a series of observations
and
His cute sister
On Wednesday, July 30, 2014, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jone...@pacbell.net'); wrote:
Somehow, Mills’ supporters are so touchy with how they view accurate
This 11 year old experiment below is basically a type of SunCell without the
titanium catalyst, and using different electrodes. It would have been easy to
surround this reactor with photoelectric cells, for increased gain, but AFAIK –
Naudin never went that far.
THE SUNCELL TO FAIL.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:31 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
This 11 year old experiment below is basically a type of SunCell without the
titanium catalyst
-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:31 AM
*Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
This 11 year old experiment below is basically a type of SunCell
without the titanium catalyst, and using different electrodes. It would
have been easy to surround this reactor
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe
stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote:
One solution could be that there exists another QM theory for hydrinos
only, they could simply be a new particle in QM speak or perhaps utilzing
some new force or whatnot. Thats it and
especially when we
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Try Bechtel/Kresge. You do not need a visitors card there and they have
most of the good Journals.
Good tip -- I'll take a look.
With the guest card I have, I can log onto the Berkeley campus-wide journal
site, download
Mills spectral evidences is pretty thorough and I can't understand that if
true, it came from some other mysterious process.
It match very well with the theoretical lines. It also looks like these
fingerprints have been verified by third parties. But I can't find
their reports for this at the
make a few million with my wave-powered design.
Jojo
- Original Message -
*From:* Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:29 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
First, the fact that the same output
From Steve High
It occurred to me to consider the heat dissipation issue in terms of
100 watt incandescent light bulbs, acknowledging that most of the
energy emitted from an incandescent bulb is in the form of heat. So
how many 100 watt incandescent bulbs would be equivalent to the 15
Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote:
So how many 100 watt incandescent bulbs would be equivalent to the 15
megawatts of excess heat energy? My math tells me 150,000. Mill's engineers
will need to come up with a way to disperse the heat of 150,000 100 watt
bulbs from a one by one by one
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
I just love these revisionist historians. Whatever is politically correct
goes. Einstein did fail math when he was younger, but you won't find the
truth googling, much like you won't find it in wikipedia.
I have seen his report cards. You are
For nanoparticles, localized surface plasmon dipole oscillations can give
rise to a large range of intense colors of suspensions or sols containing
the nanoparticles. Nanoparticles and nanowires exhibit strong absorption
and emission bands in the ultraviolet-visible light regime that are not
I realized this morning that I am mixing up the proposed final product with
the proof of concept prototype that Mills says he can bring out in twenty
weeks, which would have much less of a heat dissipation issue. Mea Culpa
for that. Vortex is such an amazing sandbox to play in, gotta be real
It is not one spectral line Mills is showing, it's a battery that matches
theory quite well. Now if we want to be critical consider,
* Is it slightly above noise, was the shown spectral lines a one in a
hundred or even worse spectral capture?
* Is theory predicting hundreds of spectral lines and a
*It is not one spectral line Mills is showing, it's a battery that matches
theory quite well. Now if we want to be critical consider,*
The observation of the spectral line came first, then the theory was
designed to fit that data. If the production of the nanostructures are
consistent over time,
I think the 15 MW would be a continuous smoothed-out number related to the
10 MW of electric power that the proposed final product would emit
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote:
So how many 100 watt
The Sun Cell will produce a huge amount of RF. The wide spread deployment
of the Sun Cell will be the end of the smart phone era.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
From Steve High
It occurred to me to consider the heat
, July 30, 2014 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
The Sun Cell will produce a huge amount of RF. The wide spread deployment of
the Sun Cell will be the end of the smart phone era.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo
.
Is there any reason why the suncell can not be installed inside a
rudimentary Faraday cage?
Jojo
- Original Message -
*From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:09 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium
No the assumptions is really not that parameterized. It was developed to
fit the atomic data, the hydrino was a consequence of that theory that came
after. the theory cannot have been adjusted after that, so there is no such
parameters in the theory. But the theory can produce a lot of spectral
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe
stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote:
Mills spectral evidences is pretty thorough and I can't understand that if
true, it came from some other mysterious process.
Perhaps it would help if we could move beyond generalizations and get
concrete.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe
stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote:
there is critiques stemming from not believing in hydrinos
because the feel they must give up on QM, which perhaps is not true.
Perhaps hydrinos and QM are not incompatible; for example, maybe they're
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps hydrinos and QM are not incompatible; for example, maybe they're
dual, as you have suggested previously.
This has puzzled me also. A single transition is 27.2 eV which is in the
uV range not visible. Higher
I wrote:
I've always been a little uncomfortable with the way the testing done on
behalf of BLP at Harvard-Smithsonian CfA is characterized.
What I need to come clean with is that I've been a little unfair, here.
Because it turns out that the University of California at Berkeley has
provided
I thought it was important to say more explicitly why I believe the Mills
demo calorimetry may be flawed. I hope the enclosed diagram will come
through to Vortex – I have seen others come through recently and I tried to
make this a small image file. If it doesn’t come through, I apologize.
PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
I thought it was important to say more explicitly why I believe the Mills
demo calorimetry may be flawed. I hope the enclosed diagram will come through
to Vortex – I have seen others come through recently and I tried to make
28, 2014 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
If you place your bet on Miills, you put it on someone with an incredibly
lousy history. Period.
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
In video 1, Randy shows a bomb
. It is just too revolutionary in my opinion.
Jojo
- Original Message -
*From:* Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 1:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
If you place your bet on Miills, you put
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
But didn't Edison have an incredibly lousy history before he perfected his
lightbulb?
No, he had a fabulous history. He was one of the successful and celebrated
inventors in history by 1879, with breakthroughs in telegraphy, the
phonograph and
Point is, he had a long string of failures before his successes. But feel free
to disagree with me. I won't hold it against you.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, the input is 5v x 10,000A or 5J for the short duration.
Why is there a question that the explosion can achieve a high COP. In
this case, it appears to be 100.
I am not sure where the controversy is. COP appears to be clearly
overunity.
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
Point is, he had a long string of failures before his successes. But feel
free to disagree with me. I won't hold it against you.
What do you mean failure? Commercial failures? No, his inventions nearly
always made money. If you mean he went through
I wrote:
What do you mean failure? Commercial failures? No, his inventions nearly
always made money. If you mean he went through several potential designs
for the lightbulb . . .
He also had some epic demonstration failures in 1878 and '79, when
investors visited his house to see the light
Mills should have spent 5 or 10 minutes introducing the experiment and
listing all of the materials and the potential chemical energy from various
ways of reacting them. That is what McKubre did in his first book about
cold fusion, as I described here on p. 12:
He does have validators saying that
, 2014 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
Where, in the most recent demo video, is the calorimetry?
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
But didn't Edison have an incredibly lousy history before he perfected his
lightbulb
challenge, isn't it?
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, the input is 5v x 10,000A or 5J
.
- Original Message -
*From:* James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 9:19 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
Where, in the most recent demo video, is the calorimetry?
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:54 AM
First, the fact that the same output could be obtained with a 5J input is
completely undocumented - it is just thrown out there and without presented
demonstration or experimental data - the comment is worthless.
Their calorimetry appears to be flawed. They have apparently modified the
LENR will always occur in a nanoparticle environment when pumped by an
electric discharge. This is witnessed by many experiments involving
exploding foils comprised of various types of metals.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
First, the fact that
- Original Message -
From: Kevin O'Malley
To: vortex-l
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
Jones:
I get the impression that Mills has been sitting on his hind quarters for at
least a decade. He's brilliant. He
A huge amount of RF radiation should be produced by the NMR active isotopes
of chlorine. Chlorine has only non zero nuclear magnetic monuments in its
two isotopes.
Mills could capture a large amount of electric power by converting RF to
electricity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectenna
Like
From: Bob Higgins
Their calorimetry appears to be flawed. They have apparently modified the
calorimeter to bring in huge current carrying conductors, and everyone knows
that what carries current well also transports heat well…
Good point Bob, and good post. There is almost no real
After the arc discharge, the TiC2 will be completely vaporized. But in
microseconds, titanium nanoparticles will condense out of the plasma when
the plasma temperature falls below the boiling point of titanium.
There will be a timeframe when titanium will be a solid and chlorine will
be a gas at
I hope you're right. It is in my interest to see the Suncell fail.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
Jojo,
A lot depends upon how
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
I blamed Mills for revealing too much in his demos, now you are asking him
to reveal more secrets. I don't think that's wise.
Well, if he cannot reveal the chemical contents of the explosion, there is
no point to doing it. It cannot be convincing
Another thing that would have helped would be to trigger a chemical
explosion with a known amount of explosive, to calibrate.
- Jed
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
Another thing that would have helped would be to trigger a chemical explosion
with a known amount of explosive, to calibrate.
- Jed
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
Another thing that would have helped would be to trigger a chemical
explosion with a known amount of explosive, to calibrate.
- Jed
This Email has been scanned for all
that I can make a few
million with my wave-powered design.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Bob Higgins
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
First, the fact that the same output could be obtained
Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
Optical instruments to quantitatively measure the radiant energy are
standard lab equipment and can be calibrated to NIST standards.
This is a bomb calorimeter. I do not think it incorporates optical
instruments. (A schematic of the calorimeter would have
PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
I blamed Mills for revealing too much in his demos, now you are asking him to
reveal more secrets. I don't think that's wise.
Well, if he cannot reveal the chemical
Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
Jed resumes his traditional role as a skeptic, as he has been these many
years.
No, I was only critiquing this as a demonstration. I think it failed in
that role. It failed for the general public. For insiders it might have
been optimum. I cannot judge.
in an argon
envelope.
It is indeed a distraction.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
Speculation about titanium is a distraction, for it is not involved
*Mills remarked that there is no oxygen available.*
In the 20,000C plasma blast, the water will decompose into h2 and O. SO
there is oxygen.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
Optical instruments to quantitatively
.
For that matter, can you think of any substance that would produce that level
of explosion and blinding light from such miniscule amount?
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner
:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:37 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
*Mills remarked that there is no oxygen available.*
In the 20,000C plasma blast, the water will decompose into h2 and O. SO
there is oxygen.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
-
*From:* Axil Axil javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','janap...@gmail.com');
*To:* vortex-l javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:37 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
*Mills remarked that there is no oxygen available.*
In the 20,000C
Axil
To: vortex-l
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
Mills remarked that there is no oxygen available.
In the 20,000C plasma blast, the water will decompose into h2 and O. SO
there is oxygen.
On Mon
From Jed:
...
I judge the demo useless, as far as I could tell. I could barely hear
what the people in the video said. Maybe if I could have heard it I
would have found it more convincing. Slides would have helped, too.
Mills heard similar complaints from other observers, and they
I did not notice this.
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
But didn't Edison have an incredibly lousy history before he perfected his
lightbulb?
Didn'tt Einstein fail high school algebra before he created the
beautifully elegant language of Relativity mathematics?
No, he did not
Whatever you say my friend. I'm not inclined to start an argument with you.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
I did not notice this.
Jojo
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
Whatever you say my friend.
No, it is not whatever I say. It is what every history book and
authoritative source says. This is not about me.
I'm not inclined to start an argument with you.
You are not inclined to do your homework, or to look up
: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
I did not notice this.
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
But didn't Edison have an incredibly lousy history before he perfected his
lightbulb?
Didn'tt Einstein fail high school algebra before he created the beautifully
elegant
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
Arc welders commonly flood t ears wit argon, a cheap inert gas, to avoid
oxidation of the metal before it cools. Ionized argon has served as a
catalyst in earlier gas phase experiments, but it plays no part in the
SunCell.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:
That light was observed at BLP and confirmed at the Harvard-Smithsonian
Center for Astrophysics.
I've always been a little uncomfortable with the way the testing done on
behalf of BLP at Harvard-Smithsonian CfA is
I wrote:
spectroscopy at Harvard CfA showed evidence (and several possible
artifacts) of continuum radiation in the 10-30 nm range from low-energy ...
There is a further lack of clarity as to the employer of the spectropists.
Were they GEN3 subcontractors with no affiliation to Harvard CfA
I wrote:
The timeline for these video 1 is:
0:00 - 0:37 Mills theory blather.
0:37 - 1:11 Demonstrations. Much more background noise.
1:12 - 1:20 Mills business blather. Kind of ridiculous, in my opinion. . .
.
I sound judgemental here. Let me say that I have no objection to theory
I didn't have the patience required to view the whole thing so I may have
missed where he described how he metered energy in and energy out.
Did he even bother?
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
wrote:
I wrote:
The timeline for these video 1 is:
0:00 -
Excellent recommendations, Jed.
That's what I was looking for.
I agree, discussing theory may be interesting to some but probably not crucial
for most. I'd think most investors just want to be assured that the data
collected from the demonstrations is accurate because that immediately
I thing that Jed is off base in his understanding of the audience dynamics
involved. It seems to me that Mills theory is more like a religion
whose recitation of its doctrinaire is very pleasurable to the Church
audience.
Consider the hours long religious services conducted in the large
Jones:
I get the impression that Mills has been sitting on his hind quarters for
at least a decade. He's brilliant. He knows how to attract investors to
pie-in-the-sky projects that in the end, do not pan out. Now he's seeing
Rossi with his demos, promises, $20M engagement with Industrial
: Kevin O'Malley
To: vortex-l
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
Jones:
I get the impression that Mills has been sitting on his hind quarters for at
least a decade. He's brilliant. He knows how to attract investors to
pie-in-the-sky
:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
Jones:
I get the impression that Mills has been sitting on his hind quarters for
at least a decade. He's brilliant. He knows how to attract investors to
pie-in-the-sky projects that in the end, do not pan out. Now he's seeing
Rossi with his
Good point Bob.
That number – COP ~2 keeps coming up over and over again in Ni-H results from a
wide range of experiments. The most recent Mizuno and Cravens work, although
not Ni-H are also in the COP ~2 range, and they are convincing.
Is “two” the “new one” … for CoE purposes?
We
Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:34 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
The Visible spectrum could have passed unaffected through the water of the
calorimeter
The speculation (of inaccurate calorimetry) is nonsense.
Visible photons passing through the water are captured on the wall of the
calorimeter - all of the heat is retained and captured in the water. You guys
seem to want to boost Mills by claiming he cannot measure his own gain because
he
Jones sez:
...
Give us a break, skeptics … it is still overunity. Actually, I can
see the skeptics claiming victory (or trying to save face) since the
gain is limited to ~2.
Damage control. ;-)
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks
/orionworks
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
The speculation (of inaccurate calorimetry) is nonsense.
Visible photons passing through the water are captured
Of course the calorimeter can measure sunlight. Basically, if the light
doesn't escape from the calorimeter, it was converted to heat and measured,
probably quite accurately. The only question is whether the soft x-rays
escaped. However, if Mills plans to capture these in silicon, then they
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Are you saying calorimeter measurements can measure sunlilght, UV and soft
X-Rays? I didn't think that was the case.
Yes, Steven – that is the case. You and Axil are confusing power and energy.
This is a daily occurrence on forums and even among
On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
That may be the problem (or is it lack of caffeine?)
4200 cup equivalent (@95 mg/cup) and none of those nasty alkaloids:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E6GSKEM
at less than a cent per cup. Makes that Starbucks
On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Are you saying calorimeter measurements can measure sunlilght, UV and soft
X-Rays? I didn't think that was the case.
Any electromagnetic radiation at these energies that is stopped within the
The discharge of an electric arc has been experimentally shown to produce
nuclear effects. This might be true in the Sun unit. A way to tell if
nuclear reactions are occurring is the Sun unit reaction is to place a
piece of U238 in the sun unit as a probe of nuclear activity. If the ratio
of U235
By the way, TiO was a *superatom* of *nickel*..
On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The discharge of an electric arc has been experimentally shown to produce
nuclear effects. This might be true in the Sun unit. A way to tell if
nuclear reactions are occurring
Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Jed, if it is at all within the capacity of your busy schedule would you
be willing to view the June 25 video demos posted out at the BLP web site:
Part 1: http://youtu.be/zGTUd68hu5M
Part 2:
I watched the 2 videos and my impressions are as follows:
1. It seems like the design has undergone a lot of changes. The engineering
appears to have improved based on what they've learned. I like the newest
design of the suncell with a curved roof with a wash down water spray system.
I
From Jojo:
...
It will also spell the end to my wave-powered project.
It won't make any sense to invest in wave power when such a
cheap device as the suncell exist.
I would not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Not just yet. There are
plenty of skeptical opinions expressed
Jones, Axel, Eric, Jed,
Thanks for your input about calorimetric measurements. Good to know that stuff.
I'm not an expert on calormetry.
I was gone most of the day attending a birthday party down in Aurora, Illinois.
I believe Jed is correct. I believe a bomb calorimeter was used to
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