The BMW UUC Digest Volume 1 : Issue 100 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Accident Just Happened Re: Accident Just Happened E30 Still Steering 2000 M5 windshield washer jet problem Re: 2000 M5 windshield washer jet problem Re: [E36] Bent valves Re: race city Re: Accident Just Happened E46 Airbag/seatbelt question Sticky Steering snow tire wheels for M3? Re: snow tire wheels for M3? Re: snow tire wheels for M3? Race City Motorsport Park FW: [E36] Bent valves
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:51:58 -0600 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Accident Just Happened Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry for your accident, and I am glad you are OK. ABS just keeps your wheels from locking up under full braking. This (usually) gets you stopped in a shorter distance and allows you to control (steer) the car if needed. In any case, ABS can't overcome the laws of physics - on a wet or icy/snowing road or with tires with little tread there is not much traction to be had. ABS will help you use up what traction exists - but it will not keep you from spinning the car or hitting someone in front of you if there is not enough available traction to do it. In fact just ABS (without DSC) will not stop you from spinning in most cases, it will just try to keep the wheels from locking up. Your '99 coupe is a carry over from the older (E36) cars, isn't it? Do you have DSC (Dynamic Stability Control - AKA Skid control) on your car are just AST (all season traction control) ? There will be a button on the console labelled with one or the other. DSC is much better in that it ties in with the ABS system to TRY to keep you from skidding/spinning the car. Again, within the limits of the available traction. AST is just traction control that tries to keep you from spinning the rear wheels when you try to accelerate. Sounds like in your recent accident you were not even on the brakes when it happened - if so then it is for sure not an ABS preventable wreck. If your car has DSC then it could have tried to help you. Without knowing more details it is hard to say. In your 2002 wreck you said you pulled off the road to avoid hitting the car in front - if you were on a paved shoulder then you still may not have had enough room to stop in time. If on a grass/dirt shoulder then it really limited the traction and you really skidded. How did the truck in front of you get stopped? Did they hit someone else? If not, then it sounds like they out-braked you. So either you reacted slow, were following too close, or their IS something wrong with the brakes on your car. With ABS, you just push the pedal in HARD and hold it - just as you would do in a panic stop. Don't release or try to modulate, just stand on it as hard as you can. The ABS computer will do the work - and you should feel and hear it pulse the brakes. You can test this for yourself - find a big, empty lot on a rainy day, get up to speed and jam the brakes on. You should stop in a straight line without skidding and feel the ABS working. There will also be a light on the dash when it kicks in. Again, if there is little tread on your tires or if there is too much water (hyrdoplaning) then you will not be stopping very quickly. Dennis 01 M5 silver/black At 03:03 PM 01/22/2004 -0600, you wrote: >I had an accident on Friday, It was raining, and I'm not the only one that >had an accident here in Dallas, 800 others also had accidents. My question >is, as far as the ABS and how it works, I was unable to stop my car, I was >preceeding though an intersection I guess my car hit a slick spot, and did a >360 degree turn, and just tore up all the divider of the road, not to >mention what it had done to the suspension and all under my car, I >experienced 6,000 dollars worth of damage, and no body damage done on the >car at all. Also before this accident, I had another in 2002, trying to >avoid hitting a car, and they also tried to avoid runing in the back of a >car and we both went to the shoulder of the road, but I still ran in the >back of this truck. I put on brakes, but I've never seen the ABS work. >Thanks for any information in advance. Also, should I still keep this car, >or trade it in after all that has happened. > > Celisa >'99 328is > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:43:59 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Celisa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Accident Just Happened Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Celisa, This may be a good time to consider joining BMW CCA and attending one of our LSC driver education events. Goto http://www. bmwcca.org before more 'things' from 'happening' to you. alex f Celisa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had an accident on Friday, It was raining, and I'm not the only > one that had an accident here in Dallas, 800 others also had > accidents. My question is, as far as the ABS and how it works, I > was unable to stop my car, I was preceeding though an intersection > I guess my car hit a slick spot, and did a 360 degree turn, and > just tore up all the divider of the road, [...] Also before this > accident, I had another in 2002, trying to avoid hitting a car, > and they also tried to avoid runing in the back of a car and we > both went to the shoulder of the road, but I still ran in the > back of this truck. I put on brakes, but I've never seen the > ABS work. > > Celisa > '99 328is ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:15:08 -0500 From: Don Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: E30 Still Steering Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have had this issue before, other than the obvious things that were already mentioned like loose PS belt, low on PS fluid (for whatever reason, usually leaky rack seals) I would suspect 1:) Strut tower bearings. These can seize up. When you replace these you might want to consider new struts and springs while its all apart. 2:) The U joints in the steering column seize up. My 1987 has this problem. The quick cheap fix is to soak/spray these with PB blaster or wd-40. This worked wonders for me and my car has 187K. Try and keep the penetrating oil off any rubber parts. Don Stevenson BMWCCA Boston Chapter 1988 325IS #49KP 1987 325IS Street **************************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged or confidential information. Unless you are the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone any information contained in this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the author by replying to this message and then kindly delete the message. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:24:33 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: 2000 M5 windshield washer jet problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The other day, while activating the windshield cleaning jets, I noticed that > only my two outer nozzles were spraying and the two inner nozzles were not. > I suppose they could both be clogged/jammed, but it seems to coincidental > that neither are spraying/dripping under pressure. Probably just a coincidence. > Does anyone know if there are multiple supply lines coming from the > windshield washer reservoir to the washer jets? Or, is there just one > supply line for the washer jets? Any help would be appreciated. There is one supply line that branches off to the two nozzles (and each nozzle has two ports which are obviously supplied by just one line). Your nozzles are probably clogged (build up or debris). I have successfully removed them and soaked them in vinegar and returned them to operation. They are also fairly cheap to replace in my case but the M5 ones are heated so the are likely more expensive. Ultrasonic cleaning or a vinegar (or another cleaning product) may do the trick. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:31:49 -0500 From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 2000 M5 windshield washer jet problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dorffer, Rich wrote: >There is one supply line that branches off to the two nozzles (and each nozzle has >two ports which are obviously supplied by just one line). Your nozzles are probably >clogged (build up or debris). I have successfully removed them and soaked them in >vinegar and returned them to operation. They are also fairly cheap to replace in my >case but the M5 ones are heated so the are likely more expensive. > >Ultrasonic cleaning or a vinegar (or another cleaning product) may do the trick. > CLR is pretty good for this if the problem is actually deposits of some kind. A straight pin also fits nicely into the little jet openings for mechanical dislodging of debris. Might be worth a shot before disassembling the jets. Brian '94 325ic ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:36:55 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [E36] Bent valves Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I wrote: >> The usual cause of bent valves in the E36 is mechanical over-revving, and is >> not uncommon in the M3. However this is less likely in a 325 due to its >> lower rev limit. And maybe lower valve lift? >> >> In your case I'd suspect that the cam timing was slightly off after >> reassembly. > on 1/22/04 11:40 AM, Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> commented: > I was under the impression that an overrev resulting in bent valves was due to > a 5th to 2nd mistake on a downshift (AKA "the money shift"), in which case the > 325 having a lower rev limit is irrelevant. My logic was that the 325 operates in a generally lower rpm range than the M3, so even the dreaded mis-shift may not zing it so badly just on the basis of starting from a lower rpm value. On the other hand it'll have weaker valve springs, so the valves will float sooner, but on the other hand - yeah, that's at least three hands so far! - it'll have less valve lift than the M3 as well as a lower compression ratio, so the valves should be less inclined to kiss the pistons. All those E36 mis-shifts I've heard of have involved the M3, but that doesn't mean the 325i is immune. So who knows. If anyone with an E36 325i feels like sacrificing their engine in the name of science, feel free to go right ahead and let us know how it turns out... Meanwhile my money's still on cam timing problems on re-assembly. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:01:30 -0500 From: Chris Skene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: race city Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:13:07 -0500 >From: "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Race City Motorsport Park >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Any western Canucks out there familiar with this track? Is it >worthwhile? > >Last year I went to Mosport for the first time (fourth DE) and my Dad >joined me for his first school. We both loved it. This year he is >talking about doing the Calgary event instead, since he lives in >Alberta. I'm curious about the track and how it may compare. I'm sure >it's no Mosport, but not sure what to expect. > >Thanks, > >Chris B. Chris: There's a map at <http://www.racecity.com/home.php> I haven't been there, but I hear from other instructors that the dragstrip section gets pretty slippery and people crash... I'm waiting for <http://calabogiemotorsports.com/>. Looks like it's going to be a great track. It might be closer than Calgary to you (but not your Dad) and I think the Ottawa chapter of the BMWCC hopes to run something there, if not the Toronto chapter. I didn't bump into you (figuratively speaking) at Mosport last season. I instructed at all the BMWCC schools. -- Chris Skene For narration and voice-over services, check <http://chris.skene.org> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:47:20 -0500 From: "Bailey Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Accident Just Happened Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry Celisa, but accidents almost never "just happen". It sounds like you hit some standing water causing at least some of your tires to hydroplane. That means those tires had NO traction-zilch, nada. If your tires are worn down close to the wear bars it won't take much water to cause them to hydroplane. As for "seeing" ABS work, you can't-you will feel it as a rapid pulsation through the brake pedal. In any event, the best ABS system in the world cannot anticipate or compensate for a friction coefficient that is approaching zero. That's why the most important on-board computer is the one that resides between your ears. If you notice rain water beginning to pond, simply SLOW DOWN. Assume that the other drivers cannot see you and are also trying to kill you(a safe assumption in much of the US). Don't stare at/fixate on the road 10 feet in front of your bumper; look as far down the road as as possible and anticipate what you should do if oncoming traffic swerved into your lane or some bozo pulls out in front of you. Better yet, attend a BMW CCA Safety School and learn about the amazing capabilities of your car- as well as how to utilize them. As for keeping your car or trading it " after all that has happened", a good body shop can restore your car to as-new condition. If you are implying that your 3er is in some way resposible for your misfortune... well, I'm virtually certain that your 328is was NOT the cause of your accidents. Bailey Taylor(who slid my 535is into the corner of a building while cutting through a rain slick parking lot back in 1990; 100% MY fault) 1995 318ti Club Sport 1997 528iA 1999 Wrangler Sahara Light Campaign Assault Vehicle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:26:19 +0000 From: "Evan A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: E46 Airbag/seatbelt question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does anyone know the mode of operation for passenger-side airbag (e.g., for a 1999 E46)? If there's no passenger, does the airbag deploy in a front impact? What about with no passenger but the seatbelt buckled? AFAIK 99's didn't have dual mode airbags (speed or seatbelt dependent). Is that correct? TIA, Evan _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed �net deals � comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:09:17 -0500 From: "David A. Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sticky Steering Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On one of mine, the sticky steering movement was the u joint on the steering shaft corroding, you might lube that with liquid wrench and jack the car up and work it.. kind of like a slip/stick feel thru the wheel. I disconnected it, and found it pretty corroded and stiff. with one axis totally seized. That was my 7, I'm not sure if the 3 u joint is in the engine bay and subject to weather. American car power steering is notorious for "Morning Sickness" when cold, I thiink that is pump related. You can disconnect the steering tie rods to troubleshoot and isolate the problem. The top strut bearings on my 735 were pretty crunchy after 13 years, I replaced them with a boneyard set. They would probably not be temperature sensitive, though here in Maine, it never seems to warm up enouhg lately to tell if things get better when they warm up! Are you sure things get better when warm? Dave 88 e32 91 e 30 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:30:36 -0500 From: "Mike Gambini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: snow tire wheels for M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just bought a 99 M3 today. Have 15" snow tires mounted on steel wheels for my 93 325i. Will they fit? Also have 16" Z3 wheels with worn out tires. Do they fit? MikeG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:31:51 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: snow tire wheels for M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Gambini wrote: > Just bought a 99 M3 today. Have 15" snow tires mounted on steel wheels for > my 93 325i. Will they fit? no. > Also have 16" Z3 wheels with worn out tires. Do they fit? no. very few 16" wheels (none stock that I know of in fact) which will fit over the M3's calipers. the Tire Rack has a rew which will fit I believe, as well as cheapie 17's. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:14:22 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol (BMW)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Gambini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: snow tire wheels for M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No and no. I believe very few 16 inch wheels clear the E36 M3 brakes. And they are no longer available. Your best bet is to pick up a cheap set of M3 wheels and get matching snows. Bora On 1/22/04 17:30, "Mike Gambini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Just bought a 99 M3 today. Have 15" snow tires mounted on steel wheels for > my 93 325i. Will they fit? Also have 16" Z3 wheels with worn out tires. Do > they fit? > MikeG > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:31:03 -0700 From: "Ike Moolla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Race City Motorsport Park Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Chris, It is very worthwhile - The summer DE is run in conjunction with the Edmonton/Calgary Porsche Clubs and you will have fun and excellent instruction. I would recommend that your father also register for the February 28 and 29 2004, Winter Driving School, which is in my opinion one of the best DE school for the money and which takes place on frozen Telford Lake south of Edmonton. I have a write-up on a previous Winter School at: http://www.teutonic.ca/articles/features/ultimateEd/ Your father can get more information on Registration/Membership etc. on the Northern Alberta BMW Club website at: http://www.nabmwclub.ca/aads.asp You can navigate both the winter and summer school information from this page. Hope this helps or email me direct. Ike You wrote: >Any western Canucks out there familiar with this track? Is it >worthwhile? >Last year I went to Mosport for the first time (fourth DE) and my Dad >joined me for his first school. We both loved it. This year he is >talking about doing the Calgary event instead, since he lives in >Alberta. I'm curious about the track and how it may compare. I'm sure >it's no Mosport, but not sure what to expect. >Thanks, >Chris B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:24:04 -0600 From: "Dennis and Nancy Meredith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FW: [E36] Bent valves Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, In any case I have bent valves. I don't remember over-revving. But I have been teaching my teenage son to drive so I can't completely rule it out. I think the most likely cause of these bent valves is my error on installing the head. I must not have gotten it at exactly top dead center. I have the Bentley manual and went by the directions in there. Does anyone have any tips and tricks for getting the cam timing just right? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Maller Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] [E36] Bent valves Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] I wrote: >> The usual cause of bent valves in the E36 is mechanical over-revving, and is >> not uncommon in the M3. However this is less likely in a 325 due to its >> lower rev limit. And maybe lower valve lift? >> >> In your case I'd suspect that the cam timing was slightly off after >> reassembly. > on 1/22/04 11:40 AM, Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> commented: > I was under the impression that an overrev resulting in bent valves was due to > a 5th to 2nd mistake on a downshift (AKA "the money shift"), in which case the > 325 having a lower rev limit is irrelevant. My logic was that the 325 operates in a generally lower rpm range than the M3, so even the dreaded mis-shift may not zing it so badly just on the basis of starting from a lower rpm value. On the other hand it'll have weaker valve springs, so the valves will float sooner, but on the other hand - yeah, that's at least three hands so far! - it'll have less valve lift than the M3 as well as a lower compression ratio, so the valves should be less inclined to kiss the pistons. All those E36 mis-shifts I've heard of have involved the M3, but that doesn't mean the 325i is immune. So who knows. If anyone with an E36 325i feels like sacrificing their engine in the name of science, feel free to go right ahead and let us know how it turns out... Meanwhile my money's still on cam timing problems on re-assembly. Neil 96 M3 __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
