The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 314 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <E36> '94 325is steering wheel diameter Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering wheel Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering shipping international?? Re: shipping international?? Peake reader codes question Re: Re: E30 Airbag Re: <E36> '94 325is steering wheel diameter
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:05:51 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> '94 325is steering wheel diameter Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good thread, thanks Barry. Best regards, Tom Reynolds Hereford, AZ At 03:54 PM 08/12/2004 -0700, JKerouac wrote: > > There is the NHTSA waiver letter which allows the airbags to be >disconnected or an on/off switch installed if certain conditions are met. >I keep the waiver letter in my car. The idea of a hand grenade going >off in front of my seat belted chest never appealed to me. >You can easily disconnect the airbags by disconnecting the connect to >the crash sensor. >On the E36, maybe other series too, it is located under the rear seat >bottom. It's a cigarette pack size metal housing with a harness >connector similar to the angled sliding type used to connect ignition coils. > Note I'm not endorsing doing this, only giving technical info how >it can be done. >Barry > >Tom Reynolds wrote: > >>So, don't be shy, Ed. Are you an attorney, and would there be any >>liability for an owner who took off an airbag equipped steering wheel and >>replaced it with an aftermarket non airbag equipped steering wheel? >>Thanks, >>Tom >> >>At 06:14 PM 08/12/2004 -0400, Ed MacVaugh wrote: >> >> >>>Ask that attorney for case cites. He'll know what they are. >>> >>>There aren't any. >>> >>>Ed >>> >>>Tom Reynolds wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Nope. I considered the same thing once upon a time and was informed by a >>>>_real_ lawyer as to the possible consequences. Needless to say, I didn't >>>>swap it out. >>>>Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>--- >>>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>>Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 07/27/2004 >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>>--- >>>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>>Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 07/27/2004 >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________________________________ >>>In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >>> >>>UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >>>Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >>>908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >>> >>> > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 07/27/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 07/27/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:47:17 -0400 From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering wheel Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on the internet, but it seems to me as a matter of logic that if they can't decline coverage to someone who wasn't wearing a seatbelt (which makes a much greater difference in the severity of injuries than a deactivated airbag) it would be a pretty heavy lift to decline coverage for a deactivated airbag. Seatbelts have been around a lot longer than airbags, has there been a case where coverage was denied for failure to wear a seatbelt? Brian Ed MacVaugh wrote: > I am an attorney and I can't practice law on the internet. I, like > most lawyers, am licensed for one or a few states. We are held > responsible to give accurate advice to clients regarding those state's > laws. To give a blanket statement like something regarding liability > would be foolhardy, for a lawyer (and a non-lawyer) could not possibly > know what judges in 50 states, a few territories and protectorates and > 600 other nations might do. > > America is one of the most litigious countries among those 600, and I > know of no case where an insurance company was permitted to decline > liability due to the disabling of an airbag. With the advent of > switches to turn off passenger side air bags, I would have thought > that such a case might exist by now, but have not seen one. > > Ed > > Tom Reynolds wrote: > >> So, don't be shy, Ed. Are you an attorney, and would there be any >> liability for an owner who took off an airbag equipped steering wheel >> and >> replaced it with an aftermarket non airbag equipped steering wheel? >> Thanks, >> Tom >> >> At 06:14 PM 08/12/2004 -0400, Ed MacVaugh wrote: >> >> >>> Ask that attorney for case cites. He'll know what they are. >>> >>> There aren't any. >>> >>> Ed >>> > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:56:37 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I hate to beat this to death, but when I was considering changing out my OEM steering wheel, I was told that I might have trouble (for one reason, at least) if I did not declare that I had changed the wheel. Now, I don't know that it ever happened, actually Ed says it hasn't (if I understand correctly) but I was afraid that if something DID happen, and I HAD switched out the steering wheel, that the insurance company could look at the wreck, say, "Look this isn't the OEM airbag equipped wheel, it's a MOMO aftermarket wheel WITHOUT and airbag." and I might be in deep doo doo. And, seeing as how I did it "on the sly" and knowing that I was taking off a safety related item and replacing it with something that was not equivalent in safety terms, that FedGovCo and/or insurance company could decline coverage. Any insurance agents want to comment, or SEMA reps, or ...? Tom Reynolds Hereford, AZ At 07:47 PM 08/12/2004 -0400, Brian Daley wrote: > >I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on the internet, but it seems to >me as a matter of logic that if they can't decline coverage to someone >who wasn't wearing a seatbelt (which makes a much greater difference in >the severity of injuries than a deactivated airbag) it would be a pretty >heavy lift to decline coverage for a deactivated airbag. Seatbelts >have been around a lot longer than airbags, has there been a case where >coverage was denied for failure to wear a seatbelt? > >Brian > >Ed MacVaugh wrote: > >> I am an attorney and I can't practice law on the internet. I, like >> most lawyers, am licensed for one or a few states. We are held >> responsible to give accurate advice to clients regarding those state's >> laws. To give a blanket statement like something regarding liability >> would be foolhardy, for a lawyer (and a non-lawyer) could not possibly >> know what judges in 50 states, a few territories and protectorates and >> 600 other nations might do. >> >> America is one of the most litigious countries among those 600, and I >> know of no case where an insurance company was permitted to decline >> liability due to the disabling of an airbag. With the advent of >> switches to turn off passenger side air bags, I would have thought >> that such a case might exist by now, but have not seen one. >> >> Ed >> >> Tom Reynolds wrote: >> >>> So, don't be shy, Ed. Are you an attorney, and would there be any >>> liability for an owner who took off an airbag equipped steering wheel >>> and >>> replaced it with an aftermarket non airbag equipped steering wheel? >>> Thanks, >>> Tom >>> >>> At 06:14 PM 08/12/2004 -0400, Ed MacVaugh wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Ask that attorney for case cites. He'll know what they are. >>>> >>>> There aren't any. >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >> >> Search the >> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> >> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >> >> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >> > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 07/27/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 07/27/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:16:22 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think this is a valuable thread. What if you changed the brand of tires? Manufacturer of wheels? Headlight bulbs? Brake pedal covers? Differential ratio? Manufacturer of brake fluid, pads or shoes? Installed a cell phone? Tinted the windows? Who would you report these changes to anyways? Ed Tom Reynolds wrote: >I hate to beat this to death, but when I was considering changing out my >OEM steering wheel, I was told that I might have trouble (for one reason, >at least) if I did not declare that I had changed the wheel. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:37:23 -0400 From: "Chris Pawlowicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ed MacVaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ed said > I think this is a valuable thread. > > What if you changed the brand of tires? Manufacturer of wheels? > Headlight bulbs? Brake pedal covers? Differential ratio? Manufacturer of > brake fluid, pads or shoes? Installed a cell phone? Tinted the windows? > > Who would you report these changes to anyways? Here in Canada, where we are not nearly as lawyer happy as the US (but trying to catch up it seems), the insurance industry has started stirring up all kinds of problems. Some have sent out letters to customers saying 'you must report any and all modifications to us' otherwise they could refuse coverage. They won't specify what is allowed or what isn't until you tell them. And then they might cancel you depending on what you say. Local guy with a stock rally car with roll cage (Targa Newf) hit a deer on the way to work and his company has denied coverage because of the cage. He's fighting. chris pawlowicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:41:09 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It is a valuable thread. I think (and God knows "I could be completely wrong" thanks Dennis...) that what might be of legal concern would be those things (systems or parts) mandated by the Feds. So, in Ed's listing, below, I don't think I'd worry about brake pedal covers, differential ratio, or cell phone. I know that window tint is subject to local interpretation. Now, don't wheels and tires and (even) headlight bulbs have to meet some kind of code? Obviously you don't buy headlight bulbs at your local new car dealer, or wheels, or (etc.) Now, one thing that wasn't on the list, seat belts/shoulder harnesses. What if you did away with what was Federally mandated (came as OEM on the car) and replaced it with a 5 point Sparco, for example? And, I know on other lists there's been lots of talk about doing away with cats and replacing them with test pipes, which is clearly (?) in violation of Federal law. And, we're dealing with (at least) 2 Federal agencies here, the EPA (emissions) and the DOT (FMVSS=safety.) Not quite like having your local FAA Inspector come and sign off on work you've done on your C172. Best regards, Tom Reynolds Hereford, AZ At 08:16 PM 08/12/2004 -0400, Ed MacVaugh wrote: > >I think this is a valuable thread. > >What if you changed the brand of tires? Manufacturer of wheels? >Headlight bulbs? Brake pedal covers? Differential ratio? Manufacturer of >brake fluid, pads or shoes? Installed a cell phone? Tinted the windows? > >Who would you report these changes to anyways? > >Ed > >Tom Reynolds wrote: > >>I hate to beat this to death, but when I was considering changing out my >>OEM steering wheel, I was told that I might have trouble (for one reason, >>at least) if I did not declare that I had changed the wheel. >> > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 07/27/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 07/27/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:16:59 -0400 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tom, This horse isn't just dead, it is a bloody stinking mass of fly encrusted pulp. Your insurance is a contract between you and the insurance company where you pay them a specified amount of money to to assume a financial risk you can't afford to or choose not to for a specified period of time. Everything relative to that contract is spelled out in your insurance policy. In many cases what is allowed or not allowed in that contract is dictated by the insurance commissioner in the state you live in. Read your contract and understand it. If you have a simple liabilty policy and you rearend someone while talking on the phone, drinking your double latte, reading the paper and shaving all at the same time, your insurance company cannot deny liability coverage for the person you hit because you put in a non-airbag steering wheel unless there is specific language in the policy about that. If at the same time you have collision coverage they cannot deny that claim either. Unless there is an exclusion in the policy or one of those inserts that come with your renewal. You do read those right? Bill Matthews Hockessin DE 00 M Geeze Many cars I'm not a lawyer, I don't play one on the Internet, I haven't slept in an HIE lately. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:41 PM > To: Ed MacVaugh; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering > > > It is a valuable thread. I think (and God knows "I could be > completely wrong" thanks Dennis...) that what might be of > legal concern would be those things (systems or parts) > mandated by the Feds. So, in Ed's listing, below, I don't > think I'd worry about brake pedal covers, differential ratio, > or cell phone. I know that window tint is subject to local > interpretation. Now, don't wheels and tires and (even) > headlight bulbs have to meet some kind of code? Obviously > you don't buy headlight bulbs at your local new car dealer, > or wheels, or (etc.) Now, one thing that wasn't on the list, > seat belts/shoulder harnesses. What if you did away with > what was Federally mandated (came as OEM on the car) and > replaced it with a 5 point Sparco, for example? And, I know > on other lists there's been lots of talk about doing away > with cats and replacing them with test pipes, which is > clearly (?) in violation of Federal law. And, we're dealing with (at > least) 2 Federal agencies here, the EPA (emissions) and the DOT > (FMVSS=safety.) Not quite like having your local FAA > Inspector come and sign off on work you've done on your C172. > Best regards, Tom Reynolds Hereford, AZ > > At 08:16 PM 08/12/2004 -0400, Ed MacVaugh wrote: > > > >I think this is a valuable thread. > > > >What if you changed the brand of tires? Manufacturer of wheels? > >Headlight bulbs? Brake pedal covers? Differential ratio? > Manufacturer of > >brake fluid, pads or shoes? Installed a cell phone? Tinted > the windows? > > > >Who would you report these changes to anyways? > > > >Ed > > > >Tom Reynolds wrote: > > > >>I hate to beat this to death, but when I was considering > changing out > >>my OEM steering wheel, I was told that I might have trouble > (for one > >>reason, at least) if I did not declare that I had changed the wheel. > >> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:40:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airbags and Insurance (was <E36> '94 325is steering Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you are in a crash, and an expert has the opinion (based on facts and using standard methodology) that you would have been less injured with an airbag than you were, there might be some trouble with the insurance company and your medical bills. You could still sue the other driver if he were at fault. Gary [my opinion] Derian --- Tom Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hate to beat this to death, but when I was > considering changing out my > OEM steering wheel, I was told that I might have > trouble (for one reason, > at least) if I did not declare that I had changed > the wheel. Now, I don't ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:39:12 -0700 From: Jerry Kingman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: shipping international?? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has anyone shipped anything fairly large (transmission) out of the country?? i have an E30 CR tranny and i think i may have a buyer in Macau, Asia. i have got one estimate from UPS for $388. anyone use an independent shipper/carrier?? what else is involved?? custom forms?? thanks for any help. jerry kingman bmw cca# 93056 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:49:32 -0700 From: Marco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: shipping international?? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How legit is the buyer? There are all sorts of scammers out there. He hasn't mentioned anything about sending you a check for over the asking price or some such has he? Marco Jerry Kingman wrote: > has anyone shipped anything fairly large (transmission) out of the > country?? > i have an E30 CR tranny and i think i may have a buyer in Macau, > Asia. > i have got one estimate from UPS for $388. > anyone use an independent shipper/carrier?? > what else is involved?? custom forms?? > thanks for any help. > > jerry kingman bmw cca# 93056 > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:19:58 -0500 From: "Ivan Demkovitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Peake reader codes question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi! I have 97' 540i/6sp. Recently read CPS code and replaced CPS. Week later I got this: 061b Fuel Trim, QL additive Cyl 1-4 0623 Fuel Trim, QL additive Cyl 5-8 I have no idea on what does it mean.. The only thing is - last time I got fuel from Shell. I always get it from Mobil. TIA! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:23:32 -0700 (PDT) From: david kroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why, with a stick and some string, of course! Smiller wrote: > Gary, thanks for clearing that up for us. Just out > of curiosity, what is > the best way to measure the stretch? > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > > Gary wrote: > >Every reuseable bolt should be tightened to 1.5% > >stretch. > >Gary Derian > ===== David Kroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:34:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Very funny David. Actually I would use the bolt threads as a micrometer and measure the angle the bolt is turned times the pitch of the thread divided by the length of the bolt. If the joint compresses, some accomodation for that is also required. Gary [this really works] Derian --- david kroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why, with a stick and some string, of course! > > > Smiller wrote: > > > Gary, thanks for clearing that up for us. Just > out > > of curiosity, what is > > the best way to measure the stretch? > > > > Scott Miller > > GGC BMW CCA > > > > Gary wrote: > > >Every reuseable bolt should be tightened to 1.5% > > >stretch. > > >Gary Derian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:12:15 -0500 From: "Dave Swingle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: E30 Airbag Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Quite a while ago we managed to set the airbag light on my son's 1990 E30. (Turned on the ignition with the front seat out). So now the light flashes all the time and I presume the airbag is disarmed. Dealer wants $90 to reset it. Is it really that complicated (I understand that the 1990, being the first airbag year is different from later ones and that the universal reset tool won't work)? Is there any other way to reset it? What is it that takes the dealer an hour to do? Dave Swingle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:56:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> '94 325is steering wheel diameter Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You may be right. The original standard required only passive restraints, only much later did air bags become mandated. My opinion is motorized and door mounted seatbelts offer much less protection than pillar mounted belts. In the quest for passive restraints to protect the morons that don't buckle up, the government permitted crappy belt designs. Gary Derian --- Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually the federal requirement for driver and > front passenger airbags > didn't apply until the 1998 model year for passenger > cars and 1999 for > light trucks although most cars sold in the US > included them as standard > equipment for several years prior to the federally > mandated deadline. > I believe a driver's side airbag was required as of > the 1994 model year, > but a quick google failed to come up with any > documentation to back > that up so I may be mistaken. > > Brian > > Gary Derian wrote: > > >Air bags were not mandatory unil 1996. Before that > >any passive restraint met the requirements. > > > >Gary Derian ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
