The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 324 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: 6er and reviews Re: 6er and reviews Re: 6er and reviews Re: 6er and reviews Re: E36 odometer correspondence/dealer problems? Need M3 Side Skirt Templates - Austin, TX Too g_dd_mn funny... [NO CAR CONTENT WHATSOEVER] Re: Too g_dd_mn funny... [NO CAR CONTENT WHATSOEVER] Re: Diagnosing ABS light - 95 M3 Re: Diagnosing ABS light - 95 M3 <E36> Where to buy Z3 reinforcement plates for RSMs Re: <E36> Where to buy Z3 reinforcement plates for RSMs Re: <E36> Where to buy Z3 reinforcement plates for RSMs Re: 6er and moronic reviews Re: 6er and moronic reviews
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:37:16 -0500 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 6er and reviews Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wow, you guys are harsh. At first, I thought the new 7 was hideous, but now I love it. Not sure why....it grew on me. I saw a 6 on the interstate the other day and thought it was great looking. I love the E46 3 series...a HUGE improvement over the E36. Obviously I haven't seen the new and upcoming 3 in person yet, but BMW isn't doing as bad as some of you are making it....it's all relative, I guess. BMW is doing one HELL of a lot better than Mercedes Benz this year, so somebody must like the new bimmers. Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com > I think I saw that guy on 400 this week.....I thought it was the > new Accord > as well. It didn't dawn on me until later that it was the 6. > > That's still better than the 5. My sister thought it was the new Saturn > when she first saw it. > > I went & looked at an '00 Mcoupe at united last week & you should've seen > the horrified look on the sales person's face when I said that I thought > that the M coupes would be the lastest model BMWs I could buy because the > new 5, 6, 7 & up-coming 3 are so hideous. > > Sad, BMW is quickly working towards being the marque brand on the > road.......Even the new GMAABs look better. > > Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:57:22 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'UUCDigest'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 6er and reviews Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm confused by BMW doing better than MB too. Too bad, because Mercedes has some of the very best looking cars on the road now, IMHO. I saw a bright red SL55 this morning. Damn, that has to be one of the most striking cars out there. It's MUCH better looking than either the 6 droptop or the Z8. Probably a much stronger performer than either too. Could be that MB scored much lower in quality surveys. How are Lexus & Infiniti playing into this????? I like the C230 sedan as well. It's too bad it's a still a little too MB, because it's really good looking & seems to have a lot of potential. Those things have freakin' huge brakes...... I also agree that the E46 is better looking than the E36. Too bad it signifies kind of the end of BMW's driver's car theme, with the wishy-washy steering, porky curb weights & seemingly lower build quality. I thought the Mcoupe was a great car to drive, even with the dumbed-down for the US market motor. The steering is great, the handling great & the brakes tremendous. If you could find a way to ditch some lbs from that car it would be even better. I'd like to start with sound deadening so that the car had more aural appeal, as the car felt quite muted inside. Even with the windows down, it was difficult to hear. With a little more of a raw edge, louder exhaust & the euro S52 or the S54, that car would prolly be something else. The US motor just gives up a lot of fun at the top end for low-end grunt. I myself, prefer a car that is most happy well up in the powerband. Yes, it would be nice to have an S54 Mcoupe....... Lee 88 M3->has everything else, only short in the hp dept.......of course, it's whooped up on every 6-cyl BMW it's come across......I'm pretty sure I could whoop my own ass with the S54 coupe..... > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alex Cagann > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 19:37 > To: BMW List > Subject: Re: [UUC] 6er and reviews > > > Wow, you guys are harsh. At first, I thought the new 7 was > hideous, but now > I love it. Not sure why....it grew on me. I saw a 6 on the > interstate the > other day and thought it was great looking. I love the E46 3 > series...a HUGE > improvement over the E36. Obviously I haven't seen the new > and upcoming 3 in > person yet, but BMW isn't doing as bad as some of you are > making it....it's > all relative, I guess. BMW is doing one HELL of a lot better > than Mercedes > Benz this year, so somebody must like the new bimmers. > > Alex Cagann > http://www.autoconsortium.com > > > I think I saw that guy on 400 this week.....I thought it was the > > new Accord > > as well. It didn't dawn on me until later that it was the 6. > > > > That's still better than the 5. My sister thought it was > the new Saturn > > when she first saw it. > > > > I went & looked at an '00 Mcoupe at united last week & you > should've seen > > the horrified look on the sales person's face when I said > that I thought > > that the M coupes would be the lastest model BMWs I could > buy because the > > new 5, 6, 7 & up-coming 3 are so hideous. > > > > Sad, BMW is quickly working towards being the marque brand on the > > road.......Even the new GMAABs look better. > > > > Lee > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:38:00 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 6er and reviews Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Better than the Z8??? Beg to differ on that one. The Z8 is > and will be a huge collector car based > on production and exclusivity and is truly one of the better > looking cars BMW ever made. I would > take one in a heartbeat along with a 507. Yes, was there really anything special about the Z8 apart from the quantity? It's not bad looking, but the SL is much better. For a high-end cabrio, the 911TT is the best, but for exclusivity, I'd prefer the current Aston's. > > MBs all look the same and are all pretty conservatively > styled in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, > they look fine, but they aren't exactly turning many heads. Have you seen an SL recently?????? > Whoever said it looks like an Accord is nuts though... ;-) I said it. And I think Mike L. did too. From a distance, it looks like an Accord coupe. > > And some of the ugliest stock wheels made IMO (not that they > aren't easily changed). I have to agree here. However, the available 17" 7-spokes are quite nice looking. > > I still like the looks of the E36 but the E46 is nice as well. I liked the sedans better than the coupes, but I like the somewhat more muscular stance of the pre-facelifted E46s. > > Regards, > > Rich Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:22:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 6er and reviews Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm confused by BMW doing better than MB too. Too bad, because Mercedes has > some of the very best looking cars on the road now, IMHO. I saw a bright > red SL55 this morning. Damn, that has to be one of the most striking cars > out there. It's MUCH better looking than either the 6 droptop or the Z8. > Probably a much stronger performer than either too. Could be that MB scored > much lower in quality surveys. How are Lexus & Infiniti playing into > this????? Better than the Z8??? Beg to differ on that one. The Z8 is and will be a huge collector car based on production and exclusivity and is truly one of the better looking cars BMW ever made. I would take one in a heartbeat along with a 507. MBs all look the same and are all pretty conservatively styled in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, they look fine, but they aren't exactly turning many heads. Say what you want about BMW styling (and obviously, many of you do), but I like the styling of the new 5 series, the 7 isn't that bad, not great either but easily recognizable as a BMW, and the new 3 will be nice I believe. The 6 is fine too, not amazing, but a perfectly acceptable design too. Whoever said it looks like an Accord is nuts though... ;-) They simply don't look like they used too, get over it. > I like the C230 sedan as well. It's too bad it's a still a little too MB, > because it's really good looking & seems to have a lot of potential. Those > things have freakin' huge brakes...... And some of the ugliest stock wheels made IMO (not that they aren't easily changed). > I also agree that the E46 is better looking than the E36. Too bad it > signifies kind of the end of BMW's driver's car theme, with the wishy-washy > steering, porky curb weights & seemingly lower build quality. I still like the looks of the E36 but the E46 is nice as well. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:17:53 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 odometer correspondence/dealer problems? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -> > -----Original Message----- -> -> > I brought my 325 (build 10/92) to the local dealership -> > on Monday morning to have a new instrument cluster -> > programmed with the current mileage, and I just called -> > back after a day of them not contacting me about -> > anything. I was just informed by the head service -> > advisor that there is no other place in the car in -> > which the current mileage is stored. Is this true? I -> > was under the belief that there was a correspondence -> > check between the odometer and DME or wherever else -> > the mileage was stored, and that if the correspondence -> > was off by too much, a red dot would illuminate in the cluster to -> > indicate such. Am I dreaming or is my dealer really being honest? Or you could just stop by any of the shady looking used car lots in your area and ask them to set the mileage to what you want, lol. Not recommending anything under the law, but just an FYI that the devices to set mileage exist and seem to be common according to some local sources. So if buying used, double check any vehicle if the mileage doesn't seem quite right. I have been looking at used E36 328's lately and have noticed 2 that have had less than 1000 miles in the last couple of years according to carfax, hmmm. Plus they didn't look like 80k mile cars, more like 180k abused cars. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:29:42 -0500 From: "Bill Yates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Need M3 Side Skirt Templates - Austin, TX Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I need to borrow some drilling templates so I can mount the M3 side skirts I just bought. Anybody have a set? Thanks, Bill Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:30:56 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "911" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BMW List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ferrari List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Too g_dd_mn funny... [NO CAR CONTENT WHATSOEVER] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Off-topic! But really amusing! Especially late at night! Caution - no nudity, but the f-bomb is thrown a couple of times: http://www.ubersite.com/m/14857 vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:46:43 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Too g_dd_mn funny... [NO CAR CONTENT WHATSOEVER] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I should know better than to comment but a couple of thoughts: - a dairy cow is more likely to weigh closer to 1,000 lbs or more (depending on the breed) - that calf was surely much younger than one year old, probably just a few months if it was still with the mother and the mother cow was protective. - cow tipping is a fallacy and cows don't sleep standing up Oh well, there it is. Still a pretty funny story. I do believe it is the first time I have ever read or heard someone state "She gave a scary ass cow scream". Later, Rich PS - those Aussies are crazy I tell ya... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:04:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Diagnosing ABS light - 95 M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Jim Bassett wrote: > Sure, you could hunt around in the dark trying to fix it. :-) > Or, you could have a local independent BMW mechanic read out the fault > code for you, then you'll know *exactly* what to fix. If you have a good > relationship with a mechanic, it should be very inexpensive to have them > read out the code (two of my local mechanic's will read codes for free; > YMMV). I've tried this route with my car ('94 325is, solid ABS light, all the time). In both cases the mechanics were friends of mine and had Snap-On Modis scanners. In both cases the scan tool seemed to start reading codes, then gave up with a 'no-communication' error. One of them, who works on more bmw's than the other, said he'd never seen anything like that and that I should probably replace the ecu, but he wasn't sure. What scanners are the other bmw mechanic folks using? Peake tools don't read ABS codes btw... We're basically still trying to figure out if this is a problem with the Modis scanner or with the ABS ECU on the car. Maybe I'll call the dealer. I can't believe that will do anything other than piss me off, but who knows. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:14:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Diagnosing ABS light - 95 M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Mark Andy wrote: > What scanners are the other bmw mechanic folks using? Peake tools don't > read ABS codes btw... We're basically still trying to figure out if this > is a problem with the Modis scanner or with the ABS ECU on the car. > > Maybe I'll call the dealer. I can't believe that will do anything other > than piss me off, but who knows. Ok, so called the dealer. $77 to pull the abs codes, should take an hour or so (not sure why, but then I haven't been able to pull the codes myself, so what do I know. :-) That's not too horrible I guess. Still not my first choice, of course. :-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:55:54 -0500 From: "Paul Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <E36> Where to buy Z3 reinforcement plates for RSMs Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is this a dealer item or ??? Regards, Paul Craven 97 M3 4 - Driven 1 mile each day on gravel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:30:17 -0400 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E36> Where to buy Z3 reinforcement plates for RSMs Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dealer has mild steel versions for $14.40 list. We offer 304 Stainless versions for the same price. Brett Anderson KMS 440 564 7574 www.bmw-stuff.com > -----Original Message----- > Is this a dealer item or ??? > > Regards, > Paul Craven > 97 M3 4 - Driven 1 mile each day on gravel > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:03:22 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'UUCDigest'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E36> Where to buy Z3 reinforcement plates for RSMs Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dealer item.....well under $20. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Craven > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:56 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [UUC] <E36> Where to buy Z3 reinforcement plates for RSMs > > > Is this a dealer item or ??? > > Regards, > Paul Craven > 97 M3 4 - Driven 1 mile each day on gravel > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:15:50 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 6er and moronic reviews Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm confused by BMW doing better than MB too. Too bad, because Mercedes > has some of the very best looking cars on the road now, IMHO. FWIW, I've noticed significant age-based divide in responses to the new BMW design trends: younger people love them, geezers hate them. Most of the latter also like the older, more conservative BMW designs and steadily migrate towards Mercs. As BMW CCA is aging, guess what opinion is getting a lot of airtime... ;-) For the record, I LOVE the Z4, the new 6 and the E90 (the new 3). I also like the iDrive, with all of its imperfections, though I would not mind to see some controls physically duplicated (like radio). As for the NYT reviews - they were amateurish: comparing the 6er to Mustangs and Pontiacs, regretting that plebeians might get thier hands on such cars once they depreciate, etc. alex f ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:35:56 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 6er and moronic reviews Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As for the NYT reviews - they were amateurish: comparing the 6er to > Mustangs and Pontiacs, regretting that plebeians might get > thier hands on > such cars once they depreciate, etc. Yea, all those damn plebians who can only afford a BMW once they depreciate. Those kind of people should be...uh......oh, wait...... I remember there was a doctor or something recently who wrote to one of the BMW marque magazines complaining about "lesser" or "poorer" folks buying BMWs once they came down in price, thus lowering the status of his car. I'd say he must not have seen the "Arrogant, self-important ass." option checkbox when he was buying. Comes with automatic "close the gap in front to not let anyone in" cruise control, the cross-wise through 2 spaces parking assist and the increasing-sensitivity drive by wire which increases throttle response when pedestrians are detected ahead. He may have also opted for the "nose up display," a bell that alerts the driver to plebians driving depreciated cars so he can indignantly turn his nose up to let them know he is the better person. What actually bothers people like this is that lemmings typically can't tell the difference between a few model years, so no one knows that he can afford to pay $30k more for the same car 3 years older sitting in the next lane. So what's one of them fancy-schmancy 645's got that a Rustang ain't?????? Next year, the 645i will be down some 55hp to the GTO, although from what I read recently in CR, the GTO could use some help in the brakes dept. > > alex f Lee P.S. I was jsut at lunch with a colleague who's not a car person. He saw a 645 & asked what it was. I told him. He thought it was nice, but that it looked just like an Accord.......;-P ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
