The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 342 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Auto Body in MA area Re: Auto Body in MA area Re: Auto Body in MA area Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? <E34> upper exterior trim removal Re: <FS> E32 1992 750iL
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:11:37 -0400 From: "m3 drvr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Auto Body in MA area Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you are not located in the Mass area then you can discard this email. I am looking to get some small body work done to my M3 (E36) and I was think of using Sansossio Auto Body Inc in Natick, MA. I don't know any personally who has used them so I thought I would ask the list. Is there someone out there that has used them will good (or bad) results. Please let me know asap. Thanks in Adavance. Clyde _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:51:41 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Auto Body in MA area Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Clyde wrote: >I am looking to get some small body work done to my M3 (E36) and I was think of using Sansossio Auto Body Inc in Natick, MA. I don't know any personally who has used them so I thought I would ask the list. Is there someone out there that has used them will good (or bad) results. Please let me know asap. _____________ Clyde, I have not personally used Sansossio, but they are a sponsor of several Boston Chapter events. If Sansossio doesn't work out, I have a very strong recommendation - call Mike Noonan at Mike's Autobody, in Malden, MA. Mike's is also a sponsor of CCA events, and they do a lot of the outsourced bodywork for BMW of Peabody, among other dealerships. Mike is a good friend of mine, and has, among other things, done everything from a frame-off repaint (change of color) on a 275 GTB to fixing little fender benders on Accords. He's currently working on a very exotic, rare BMW, and also usually has several 3-series in for various bits of work. He does the bodywork for Turner Motorsports, as well as usually having a handful of DE/race cars in the shop at any given time. He's in Malden, at the intersection of Rt. 99 and 60. 781 324-9831. www.mikes-autobody.com Ask to speak to Mike directly, he'll take care of you. vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:07:21 -0400 From: "m3 drvr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Auto Body in MA area Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis, Thanks for the response. I appreciate all of your detailed infor. and I will definitely call him for an appt. I will make sure I let him know you referred me to his company. Clyde >From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [UUC] Auto Body in MA area >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:51:41 -0400 > >Clyde wrote: > > >I am looking to get some small body work done to my M3 (E36) and I was >think >of using Sansossio Auto Body Inc in Natick, MA. I don't know any >personally >who has used them so I thought I would ask the list. Is there someone out >there that has used them will good (or bad) results. Please let me know >asap. >_____________ > >Clyde, I have not personally used Sansossio, but they are a sponsor of >several Boston Chapter events. If Sansossio doesn't work out, I have a >very >strong recommendation - call Mike Noonan at Mike's Autobody, in Malden, MA. >Mike's is also a sponsor of CCA events, and they do a lot of the outsourced >bodywork for BMW of Peabody, among other dealerships. > >Mike is a good friend of mine, and has, among other things, done everything >from a frame-off repaint (change of color) on a 275 GTB to fixing little >fender benders on Accords. He's currently working on a very exotic, rare >BMW, and also usually has several 3-series in for various bits of work. > >He does the bodywork for Turner Motorsports, as well as usually having a >handful of DE/race cars in the shop at any given time. > >He's in Malden, at the intersection of Rt. 99 and 60. 781 324-9831. >www.mikes-autobody.com > >Ask to speak to Mike directly, he'll take care of you. > >vty, > >--Dennis > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:45:00 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Answers interspersed: >Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:29:38 -0700 (PDT) >From: david kroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Scott wrote: > >> A friend is shopping for an E36. 94 325is >... >> 1. <power window issues> >... >> 2. <heat/cooling system issues> >... >> damage LF fender > >Does the seat heat work? Yes. >How about bubbling vinyl on the interior panels? No bubbling that we could see. >What's the asking price for the car? With these >sorts of issues I'd guess in the $3-$4 range. Asking $6K "firm", which we know is high. Friend offered $5,200 (which also may be high, but he was willing to go that far). They said they had already turned down $5,500. Car has 136K miles. Doesn't look like they really want to sell it, eh? >Expect the shocks/struts and various suspension >busings to be pretty tired on a 10/11 year old >car, too. Friend is used to that, his hobby used to be buying old E30s and fixing them up. That's why he didn't mind the shocks being shot. >===== >David Kroth >[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Asking $6K "firm", which we know is high. Friend offered $5,200 > (which > also may be high, but he was willing to go that far). They said they > had already turned down $5,500. Car has 136K miles. Way high. Pass on it. I think when I checked given this was a '93 325is blue book or Kelley (I forget) was about $4,400. I probably got a good deal on mine since I bought it from a friend but for that much (lower even) you should be able to get a fairly nice 325is, no body damage, with the maintenance up to date, etc. Move on, find a nicer car and someone willing to deal. There have been plenty of nice E36s posted for sale here in the last few months, maybe he should just realize that you may have to travel outside of Cali to get the best deal. Carlos. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:49:39 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks to everyone for all the window advice. Haven't seen anything on the heater issue yet. Anyone? Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:39:30 -0700 >From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >A friend is shopping for an E36. <snip> >2. We've had hot weather lately, and the AC was very cold. So >eventually I asked my friend if he had tried the heater yet, and he >hadn't. So while still sitting with the engine idling, we switched >off the AC and turned up the heat. The knob that controls the vents >works fine, but the air never got hot. I suggested leaving the heater >on while we drove away, just to see if it had an effect. Sure enough, >as soon as we started driving, we got heat. But none at idle. > >Remembering the water pumps with the plastic impellers, I suggested >that the car needs a water pump. But the dash temp gauge stays right >in the middle of the range, at least while I was looking at it. So >maybe the heat control valve? But why would this not work at idle? >Anyone? Buehler? > >TIA for any feedback on these matters. > >Scott Miller >GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:16:03 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kelly Blue Book private party value for a '94 325is in "good" condition with 136K miles in this part of California is something like $6,500. I also told my friend to look at the NADA and Edmunds guides, but at this point it is moot, since they declined his offer. He is already looking at other cars, but it still would be nice to know what might be causing the heat problem. Thanks, Scott Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com> cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues 08/30/2004 09:55 AM >--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Asking $6K "firm", which we know is high. Friend offered $5,200 >> (which >> also may be high, but he was willing to go that far). They said they >> had already turned down $5,500. Car has 136K miles. > >Way high. Pass on it. I think when I checked given this was a '93 >325is blue book or Kelley (I forget) was about $4,400. > >I probably got a good deal on mine since I bought it from a friend but >for that much (lower even) you should be able to get a fairly nice >325is, no body damage, with the maintenance up to date, etc. Move on, >find a nicer car and someone willing to deal. > >There have been plenty of nice E36s posted for sale here in the last >few months, maybe he should just realize that you may have to travel >outside of Cali to get the best deal. > >Carlos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:49:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Kelly Blue Book private party value for a '94 325is in "good" condition > with 136K miles in this part of California is something like $6,500. I > also told my friend to look at the NADA and Edmunds guides, but at this > point it is moot, since they declined his offer. He is already looking > at other cars, but it still would be nice to know what might be causing > the heat problem. Keep in mind that Edmunds and such typically are very damn low on older cars with higher miles... Enough so that Edumnds is useless for determining value on some more "niche" market vehicles. '91-'95 MR2s for instance, as well as some others. When you're looking at 10+ year old cars, it pays to remember that even at a slightly higher price, a well cared for car is a bargain compared to one where you save $1k and then spend $3k to fix all the problems. And given what I've seen for BMW parts costs... :-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:37:13 -0400 From: "Michael Gambini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I sold my 93 with 125K miles--very good shape- in January 04 for $6000 in just 2 days, so that is not too high a price for a 94, assuming decent shape. MikeG ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Carlos Lopez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 Cooling/Heat and Window Issues > > Kelly Blue Book private party value for a '94 325is in "good" condition > with 136K miles in this part of California is something like $6,500. I > also told my friend to look at the NADA and Edmunds guides, but at this > point it is moot, since they declined his offer. He is already looking at > other cars, but it still would be nice to know what might be causing the > heat problem. > > Thanks, > > Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:10:08 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: M Kittock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I found this out a couple of years ago myself. In my case it was running at the 1:00 position - but not in the red (yet). Found out that thermostat failed and was going to cook things. But my belief that the robust cooling system was nothing more than a ruse - the position is computer controlled and only deviates when something is wrong. Only good thing is that I got some warning before things failed critically. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Aug 27, 2004 2:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? More than likely its the thermostat stuck open. - if it runs cooler on the highway or when there is airflow across the radiator and get's hotter while you're idling it's definitely the thermostat. Turning on the AC will actually cause the electric fan to come on and provide cooling to the radiator. You claims of superior engineering is actually BMWs response to people really not being able to read a gauge properly. So the temp signal is sent to the computer that determines whether the temp is in a normal range and then sends the signal to the gauge to display. That 12 o clock positions actually is a pretty large range. I hate those gauges. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Batt, Jeff (MED) Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Hello all, I have a 1995 M3 with 86k on it. On the way back to the office today from lunch, my temp gauge didn't rise to the 12 o'clock position on the gauge. Instead, it rose from cold (cold is roughly at the 10 o'clock position) to about 10:30 or 11 o'clock. The car had ample time to warm up - and in fact, it should have been just about warmed up from driving to lunch. Not sure if this matters, but I did turn on the air cond on the way back to the office. As soon as I noticed the strange temp reading, I turned off the air - but it had no effect. Back at the office parking lot, I popped the hood and checked for obvious issues...didn't see anything and the car didn't seem to be overheating or anything. I've owned this car since 1999 and I'm 99.9% sure that the temp gauge has ALWAYS moved from cold to the 12 o'clock position and then stayed basically "locked" there - no matter what driving or environmental conditions are thrown at it. In fact, when talking to friends, I use this as an example of superior BMW quality as my Jeep's temp gauge jumps all over the place. I changed the water pump/coolant about 8 months ago - and I've had zero issues. Anyone else experience this? Is there a reason the car wouldn't warm up or is it more likely a bad gauge/sensor/connection? I'm assuming that you can't change just this gauge? - but have to replace the whole dash gauge cluster (as I've had done once all ready for a bad speedo)? Thanks! Jeff Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:07:35 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark, I haven't seen a response to your question, so her goes: What's wrong with that theory is that the transmission *isn't* cooled by the same radiator as the engine. A transmission cooler (if the car is equipped with one) is an oil to air radiator which is completely separate from the water to air engine cooling radiator. Turning on the heater might reduce the engine coolant temp slightly, but it won't do a thing for the transmission. Brian '94 325ic 5-spd - no transmission cooler -----Original Message----- From: Mark Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Aug 27, 2004 10:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Howdy, On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Robinson, Lee wrote: > I heard a guy at lunch the other day talking about towing a small > trailer from B'ham to Atlanta with a Buick Regal. Apparently, the > tranny was slipping a bit. So he "saved the tranny" for the drive back > by turning on the heater. You know, because the transmission is cooled > from the same radiator as the engine (his words). Ok, perhaps I'm an idiot too, but what's wrong with that theory? I guess I won't bet my life on it, but I could have sworn I'd seen radiators with automatic tranny lines running to them... Dunno that a slipping tranny would be helped by better cooling, but I wouldn't think it'd hurt either. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:24:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Brian Daley wrote: > I haven't seen a response to your question, so her goes: What's wrong > with that theory is that the transmission *isn't* cooled by the same > radiator as the engine. A transmission cooler (if the car is equipped > with one) is an oil to air radiator which is completely separate from > the water to air engine cooling radiator. Turning on the heater might > reduce the engine coolant temp slightly, but it won't do a thing for the > transmission. So the Buick Regal in question has a separate tranny cooler and doesn't use a tranny cooler integrated into the radiator? Like I mentioned, I'd have sworn I'd see that sorta setup before. Obviously I've also seen separate tranny coolers. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Most transmission coolers are oil to water and built into the cold side of the radiator. Some in the hot side. Some are oil to air and mounted separately. Some transmissions are air cooled, meaning the torque converter has fins and the bellhousing has an air scoop. Gary Derian --- Mark Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Howdy, > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Brian Daley wrote: > > I haven't seen a response to your question, so her > goes: What's wrong > > with that theory is that the transmission *isn't* > cooled by the same > > radiator as the engine. A transmission cooler (if > the car is equipped > > with one) is an oil to air radiator which is > completely separate from > > the water to air engine cooling radiator. Turning > on the heater might > > reduce the engine coolant temp slightly, but it > won't do a thing for the > > transmission. > > So the Buick Regal in question has a separate tranny > cooler and doesn't > use a tranny cooler integrated into the radiator? > Like I mentioned, I'd > have sworn I'd see that sorta setup before. > > Obviously I've also seen separate tranny coolers. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Brush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: <E34> upper exterior trim removal Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gruppe: I am needing to remove the chrome trim piece that runs along the external "window sill" of my '92 535i. This is where you would rest your elbow if you didn't have a 5sp and wanted to look like you were a cool 1954-ish dude. I've read some web instructions which say to protect the paint with some tape, then pry up on the trim with a thin bladed screwdriver. Anybody BTDT? Also, is replacement the reverse of removal? Regards, Jon<----Bentley is available but not handy _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:40:02 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <FS> E32 1992 750iL Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm selling my beloved 1992 , 750iL. Granite Silber with Dove Grey leather interior, 142k miles. Only synthetics since I've owned her (inc. diff and auto trans). New battery, headliner, dist. caps, rotors, plugs, plug wires, driver's side seat cover). Will send pics if interested. -Kevin ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
