RE: Travel advice needed
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Miller, Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 2 april 2003 1:23 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Travel advice needed I'm sick of being told what a pinko-commie I am, _and_ I need some time by myself to vacation. I'm thinking of heading to Europe, preferably Belgium/Holland/Scandanvia. Anyone have any advice or things to point out? That depends on what you're looking for: historical sites, art festivals, music festivals (if you're into jazz music, be here this summer for the world famous North Sea Jazz Festival!), amusement parks, etcetera. If you can tell me what you're looking for, I'll see what I can dig up. I'd also recommend buying the most recent edition of the appropriate _Lonely Planet_ travel guides. Tons of useful information in there (although when the first edition of their guide to The Netherlands came out some years ago, our oldest and most famous amusement park (De Efteling) wasn't listed in it; don't know if that has been fixed yet). And while I'm at it, consider this an invitation to drop by when you make it to The Netherlands. Got some very good restaurants here in Eindhoven. :-) Jeroen Your friendly neighbourhood travel guide van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: New Computer But Still Not Happy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Bryon Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 2 april 2003 1:37 Aan: Killer Bs Discussion Onderwerp: Re: New Computer But Still Not Happy Can't compare ADSL vs. cable speed, BTW -- Chello doesn't provide information about their connection speed. But hey, if the ADSL package I got turns out to be too slow, I can always upgrade. Ahh, that's right - ADSL services around me also offer different $ rates for more/less speed. I think my cable internet runs at around 1 Mbps download. If you want to know/verify your transfer rate, there's web sites online that can actually determine your transfer rate for you, such as this one: http://bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/ Thanks! I'll check it out and report the results! :-) Jeroen Global Citizen van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: christian vultures circling iraq ready to strike
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 2 april 2003 13:20 Aan: Killer Bs Discussion Onderwerp: Re: christian vultures circling iraq ready to strike Isn't religion just so very very evil? I think it should be banned. NO! As an Evil Overlord, I cannot stress enough the importance of religion for the populace. Give your subjects religion, then you can tell them their deity is to blame for their misery, not their local Evil Overperson. For Evil Overpeople like me and Debbi, religion is of vital importance to the continuation of our position of power! EVIL GRIN Marx was right: religion is opium for the people. Jeroen Evil Overlord van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: tax cuts for the rich, housing cuts for the poor
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 25 maart 2003 23:28 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: tax cuts for the rich, housing cuts for the poor But seriously, I wouldn't call The Fool's message an anonymous post; Really? What's his RL name, then? :) Dunno, but when a message arrives from The Fool you know it's the same person who has been posting here as The Fool before. Besides, how can we be sure that Jon Gabriel is *your* RL name? :-) Jeroen Who Am I? van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Israel's Secret Weapon
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Horn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 25 maart 2003 23:41 Aan: 'Killer Bs Discussion' Onderwerp: RE: Israel's Secret Weapon Building up such an arsenal when you know you'll never be able to use it is basically just a huge waste of time, money and other resources. It kept the Soviets out of Western Europe for a long time during the Cold War. And eventually brought down the USSR. MAD maybe crazy, but it works. There is one overwhelming difference here. MAD worked because *both* sides had huge numbers of nuclear weapons aimed at each other; AFAIK, the Arab nations do not even *have* nuclear weapons, let alone have them pointed at Israel. Hm, maybe we *should* provide them with nukes, just to make sure that Israel won't use its nuclear weapons. After all, MAD worked before so it could very well work again. Jeroen No Nukes van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Israel's Secret Weapon
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Damon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 26 maart 2003 1:16 Aan: Killer Bs Discussion Onderwerp: RE: Israel's Secret Weapon Give me *one* good reason why a country should have *undeclared* nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, and *no* outside inspections. devil's advocate Because Israel's neighbours, both past and present, have declared Israel's destruction? /devil's advocate That is at best* an excuse for having WMD's, but it's not an excuse for having *undeclared* WMD's and no outside inspections. Jeroen No Nukes van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Israel's Secret Weapon
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Halupovich Ilana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 26 maart 2003 7:47 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Israel's Secret Weapon When you start working for government in *any* way, you sign no-disclosure (sp) forms. You know the punishment. He is in solitary confinement. Not different from what any other spy got. Sonja asked And that makes it OK? I see. You do not punish criminals in your country. No, Ilana, we *do* punish criminals -- we're just not in the habit of violating their human rights by keeping them in solitary confinement for 15 years. Unlike Israel (apparently), we actually consider even criminals to be human beings who have human rights. Sonja wrote I believe the report mentioned something about chemical agents being used on Palestinians civilians. However it wasn't made clear if it was an accident or done on purpose. Check you resources. It was proven to be mass hysteria. Can you provide a link to that proof? Personally, I have a hard time interpreting the sight of people shaking all over in a hospital bed as mass hysteria. I also have difficulty believing it *was* mass hysteria, given the BBC's excellent reputation wrt journalism. If it was later proven to be mass hysteria, I'm sure it would have been mentioned in the documentary. I, probably, should say something about the way *your* country is treating Israeli illegals. You are invited to visit *them* in *your* jail. The problem is, that while I think that they *do* suffer, I see no reason why they should not be punished for knowingly breaking the law. Can you provide a link to an article that shows that The Netherlands is keeping Israeli illegals imprisoned and that shows how we treat them? That would be rather strange, given that we usually don't put illegals in prison, but either make them legal residents or put them on a plane back to their country of origin. But even if there are Israeli illegals in a Dutch prison, they'll be treated far better than Vanunu. You are invited to come over here to visit them in prison and see for yourself how we treat our prisoners. Jeroen Human Being van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Israel's Secret Weapon
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Halupovich Ilana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 26 maart 2003 8:07 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Israel's Secret Weapon He is in solitary confinement (sp). Not different from what any other spy got. Jeroen wrote And that makes it alright? You violate one prisoner's human rights, but that's okay because you violate the human rights of several other prisoners as well? I have a news for you. Prison is not hotel. People are put there to be punished for the harm they have done *and* to be prevented from continuing doing harm. So, Israel puts *all* of its prisoners in solitary confinement? Every jailed criminal (from thieves to burglars to kidnappers to murderers to spies) get locked up in a cell without daylight* and without being allowed any contact with the outside world? If you do, thus violating their basic human rights, why don't you just shoot them? You'd still be violating human rights, but at least you'll spare yourself the costs of building and maintaining prisons and feeding your prisoners. Knowing you a bit, you'll probably find that an excellent idea... *If you have been paying attention in Biology class, you will remember that pretty much all land-based living creatures on this planet *need* sunlight. You may also remember that for humans, contact with others of their species is vital to their survival. Humans aren't solitary animals, we're herd animals. Personal comment A six by nine foot cell. My *bedroom* is bigger than that. My mother-in-law's *bathroom* is bigger than that. And both have a window. /Personal comment I wrote Last time I looked - you were not jailed criminal. Has it changed? Jeroen ignored my question and wrote I challenge you to spend one *month* locked up in a six by nine foot windowless room, without being allowed contact with others. Then we'll talk again. *I* am nota criminal. No, but if you would accept the challenge and go live in those conditions for a month, you would at least know what you're talking about. And no, I am not a jailed criminal. Do you remember, that I asked you to look at Israel on the world map? Do you remember your answer? Because if you don't - I ask you to do this again. And *then* tell again, that we can use nuclear weapons without committing suicide. Jeroen wrote If using nuclear weapons would be suicide for Israel, why did it turn itself into a country with the world's sixth largest nuclear arsenal? Building up such an arsenal when you know you'll never be able to use it is basically just a huge waste of time, money and other resources. Which I take as no, I don't remember You didn't answer the question. Why did Israel build up such a huge arsenal of nuclear weapons, if using them would be suicide? Remind me, pls, when Israel threatened *anybody* with non-conventional weapons? Jeroen wrote Israel didn't threaten with them, they *used* them. Check your sources (or is it follow ups?) It was proven as mass hysteria. Can you provide a link to that proof? Personally, I have a hard time interpreting the sight of people shaking all over in a hospital bed as mass hysteria. I also have difficulty believing it *was* mass hysteria, given the BBC's excellent reputation wrt journalism. If it was later proven to be mass hysteria, I'm sure it would have been mentioned in the documentary. I wrote Anyway, Thanx to Vaanunu and to Klinberg *everybody* knows where Israeli research centers are - no real challenge. Jeroen wrote We know where they are. Now we need to figure out exactly what goes on there, where and how large Israel's stockpiles of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons are, and then destroy them (the WMD's, not the Israelis). Give me *one* good reason why a country should have *undeclared* nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, and *no* outside inspections. Give me one reason why this is any business of yours. If Israel decides to use its WMD's, the whole world will feel the consequences. I live in that world, which *makes* it my business. So, why should Israel have undeclared WMD's and no outside inspections? If a country's arsenal of WMD's is nobody else's business, why did the US consider Iraq's *alleged* arsenal of WMD's a reason to go to war? Jeroen No Nukes van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Israel's Secret Weapon
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ronn!Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 26 maart 2003 16:53 Aan: Killer Bs Discussion Onderwerp: RE: Israel's Secret Weapon This might have been before your time, or it may never have aired on Dutch TV, but by any chance do you recall a TV series from the 1970s called Baretta, and in particular its opening theme¹? It was aired on Dutch TV back then, but I only remember the title, nothing else. Hey, I was only born in 1967! :-) Either my parents didn't think it was suitable for a kid my age, or it was aired at a time when kids my age were supposed to be in bed. Probably both. So, what does a 1970's TV series, and particularly its opening theme, have to do with Israel's nuclear/biological/chemical arsenal? Jeroen No Nukes van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Israel's Secret Weapon
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Damon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 26 maart 2003 17:05 Aan: Killer Bs Discussion Onderwerp: RE: Israel's Secret Weapon You didn't answer the question. Why did Israel build up such a huge arsenal of nuclear weapons, if using them would be suicide? Deterrance. Before Vanunu went to the press, nobody even knew Israel *had* nuclear weapons. If your enemies don't *know* you have nuclear weapons, they can't work as a detterent. Since then, there have been wars against Israel and a couple of Intifadah's -- which is a strong indication that Israel's nuclear weapons are not much of a deterrent... So, if the reason isn't deterrence, what is it? If and when the Arabs start a war against Israel, will the Israelis be crazy and suicidal enough to throw all their WMD's (nuclear, biological and chemical) at their enemies when they realise they are going to lose the war? Jeroen No Nukes van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: L3 Re: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Horn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: maandag 3 maart 2003 3:49 Aan: Killer Bs Discussion Onderwerp: RE: L3 Re: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack? Not to mention the Holodeck Interactive Edition of the _Kama Sutra_... GRIN What would Sonja say about this, h??? She would say something like Lemme in! Don't keep it all to yourselves! I wanna play too! :-) Jeroen So many games, so little time van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Chapter by Chapter summary/discussion of a different Brin book?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 18 februari 2003 23:49 Aan: 'Killer Bs Discussion' Onderwerp: RE: Chapter by Chapter summary/discussion of a different Brin book? Julia was kind enough to forward me JDG's first three GS chapter reviews. If Glory Season is chosen, I'd appreciate the rest of them. Jeroen, out of curiosity, why did you need to wait until the review was completed before posting to the Lurker's Guide? The idea was to combine the chapter-by-chapter reviews into one big review. However, as the review of _Glory Season_ was never completed, that one big review was never created. I guess I *could* put the chapter-by-chapter reviews of _Glory Season_ up on www.brin-l.com. I could also include the complete chapter-by-chapter review of _The Practice Effect_ while I'm at it (back then someone (don't remember who) volunteered to combine the chapter reviews of _The Practice Effect_ into one big review, but he never delivered). Jeroen Architectus Tabularium van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: EU Warns Iraq It Faces 'Last Chance'
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 19 februari 2003 0:38 Aan: Killer Bs Discussion Onderwerp: Re: EU Warns Iraq It Faces 'Last Chance' You know, we peace lovers think exactly the same thing. The only difference is that we see Bush and those who support him as bigots and enemies of freedom. You're not a peace lover, Jeroen. You were all gung ho when it affected _you_ in the Balkans. When it affects someone else, hmm, all of a sudden peace becomes really important. Are you sure you're not conflating his *country's* position with his vis-a-vis the Balkans? I think the peace-loving position he is espousing is his, and not necessarily his government's. Julia is correct. I'm more peace-loving than my government. I don't know how much of this has made it into the US media, but as much as it collides with Gautam's Euro-bashing, the Dutch government is quite happily supporting the US. They have offered to send troops and equipment (SAM batteries) to Turkey, they have offered F-16's (an offer which was declined by the US), and they have allowed the US to transport their troops and equipment through our country. *If* the same was true at the time of the Balkan conflict, then you're not being fair to him with that paragraph. If, however, his position at the outbreak of the Balkan conflict was that something had to be done, then you're not being so unfair. I'd want clarification of what his position was and when he held that position before I went any further with this, one way or the other. I didn't believe that launching an all-out war against the Serbs would be a good idea. I favoured the idea of sending in an international UN Peace Force to keep the fighting parties out of each other's hair, and then go for a diplomatic solution. Not that this is relevant here; the situation with the Balkan is completely different from the situation with Iraq. Jeroen Make love, not war van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: EU Warns Iraq It Faces 'Last Chance'
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 19 februari 2003 1:11 Aan: Killer Bs Discussion Onderwerp: Re: EU Warns Iraq It Faces 'Last Chance' When the sactions were sorta lifted in the mid-90s, Hussein sold 3 million gallons a day. So, how is this about oil? For at least half a century the US has been doing its best to present itself as a country that would like nothing better than to rule the world. The world economy runs on oil, and Iraq happens to be floating on a substantial part of the world's oil reserve. Therefore, it makes sense that this is about oil; control over a substantial part of the world's oil reserve gives whoever controls it an awful lot of power over the rest of the world. It wouldn't surprise me if, once the US has gained control over Iraq's oil reserves, it will use that oil as a weapon (do what we want or we'll cut off your oil supply). Jeroen Make love, not war van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: EU Warns Iraq It Faces 'Last Chance'
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 19 februari 2003 16:55 Aan: Killer Bs Discussion Onderwerp: Re: EU Warns Iraq It Faces 'Last Chance' The world economy runs on oil, Oil sales are about 1.4% of world GDP, for the average oil price of about $24/barrel over the last few years. I wasn't referring to the influence of the oil price on the world GDP. What I meant was that oil is of vital importance to keeping the economy up and running. Think of all the purposes we use oil for (FREX, production of goods, and transport), and then think what would happen if the needed flow of oil would suddenly stop -- and think what would happen if that flow would still not have been restarted by the time you run out of your current stock of oil. The effects would be disastrous. Jeroen Make love, not war van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Irregulars Question: pop3 for free.... please?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 18 februari 2003 13:02 Aan: list Onderwerp: Irregulars Question: pop3 for free please? I just got a notice that softhome is changing allowed amount of e-mail and storage maximum from 15 Mb and 500 messages to a miserly 6 Mb and 150 messages. Now I could live with that. I'd simply kill the Culture. ;o) But the bonus in this wretched deal is that I now only get to download a maximum of 10Mb a month instead of the original 45 Mb. With an average of over 150 messages a day, even the math challenged among us can figure out that it simply won't work for me. snip I've already been searching a while now but I really can't find any that are pop3 and free. So if anyone has a suggestion ...smile You could do what I did for my backup Internet access: go to www.wanadoo.nl and sign up for a Wanadoo Free account (select Free under Producten in the menu on the left side of the screen). This will give you two POP3 e-mail accounts, with 20 MB e-mail storage each. I couldn't find anything about a limit in MB/month, but I've been using my Wanadoo Free account as a backup for my Brin-L subscription for almost two months now, and haven't had any problems with it so far, other than a Mailbox full problem once; but if you download your e-mail once every few days, that problem shouldn't occur. As you get *two* e-mail addresses, you can even further reduce the chance of that happening by using one address for Brin-L, and the other address for the list-whose-name-shall-not-be-spoken. Bonus: as their mailserver is physically located in The Netherlands, downloading your e-mail will also go a lot faster than through your (US-based) SoftHome account. This account is only free in the sense that there is no monthly fee to be paid. Wanadoo want you to access the Internet (and thus, your e-mail) by using a dial-up connection; part of what you pay to KPN Telecom will then go to Wanadoo. However, you can download your e-mail using our Cable Internet access, so it really is a totally free account. :-) Okay, there is one possible problem: I haven't yet tried to *send* e-mail from my Wanadoo Free account through our Cable Internet connection, so I don't know if that will work. Remind me to try that tonight. If that works, I'll also check if you can use a different e-mail address with a Wanadoo Free account. If *that* works as well, you can subscribe to Brin-L from the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- no extra charge. :-) Jeroen Community Service van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: The rapid decline of the Sci-Fi Channel....
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Miller, Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 12 februari 2003 23:45 Aan: Discussions of the writings of science fiction/futurist authors David Brin and Gregory Benford. Onderwerp: RE: The rapid decline of the Sci-Fi Channel You're not allowed to watch? Lemme guess: you're married? :-) Not exactly, but one a clear day, I can see married from where we are. Oh dear! Not even married yet, and you *already* had to transfer any power you had to your significant other. You're doomed... :-) Jeroen Run for the hills! van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 13 februari 2003 3:16 Aan: 'Discussions of the writings of science fiction/futurist authors David Brin and Gregory Benford.' Onderwerp: RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright But what about the alleged possible consequences of posting or replying to a message? The fact that such consequences are even threatened jeopardizes the entire purpose of a mailing list. Lemme guess -- you're American, aren't you? Let me guess, you're displaying more anti-American attitudes, aren't you? Only if you're a member of that intolerant and self-righteous subset of US citizens who see any and all criticism of the US and her citizens as anti-Americanism. Actually, it should be quite obvious why I asked you're American, aren't you. And no, anti-Americanism has nothing to do with it. Jeroen Zero tolerance for intolerance van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Horn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 13 februari 2003 15:56 Aan: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Onderwerp: RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright Should I? Oh, heck, just because you insist:o) I actually really don't care what notice people put at the bottom of their e-mail. I usually don't even bother to read them, because legally in the Netherlands there is no way to enforce them. I imagine it would be equally difficult and unrewarding for anything concerning this list in the US. Then please go whack your roommate upside the head for all of us about this issue! grin very big grin I think it would be more appropriate to whack those people on the head who are blowing this issue up to gigantic proportions, as if it is going to cost them loads of money and ruin their lives. Jeroen Everything is relative van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Now I know I am a Netizen!
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Deborah Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: Geen Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Now I know I am a Netizen! From one Evil Overperson to another: Join me, oh Evil Overlady! Stand by my side as my Queen, and together we shall rule the world![*] EVIL GRIN [*]Or our solar system, or our galaxy, or even the whole universe, depending on how ambitious your are. :-) taps a long, red-lacquered fingernail thoughtfully against a cheek I should consider your proposition, but for the fact that I know you you already have a Queen...although I do not think that she qualifies as an Evil One. smirk So what? I'll have two Queens then: an Evil One to rule the world / galaxy / universe with me, and a Benign One to fool our subjects into believing they have Benign Rulers. EVIL GRIN Jeroen Evil Overlord van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Colleges Offer Students Privacy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 28 januari 2003 5:22 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Colleges Offer Students Privacy who doesn't want to go into the more negative roommates right now, because she's not sure which story would qualify as the worst Tell us all those stories then, and then we'll vote on it! :-) Jeroen Simple Solutions van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [Listref] Environment
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Reggie Bautista [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 28 januari 2003 9:38 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: [Listref] Environment You can do something completely outrageous and offensive and not get kicked, while less offensive behaviour can get you kicked fairly quickly. How is trying to hack Nick's server less offensive behaviour? The phrase less offensive indicates a *comparison*. What I am referring to is that a comparison between my behaviour and that of others will show that their behaviour is far worse than mine. Yet I already got silenced by Arnett once (and since then he has repeatedly threatened to do it again) while those others (such as Giorgis and Crystall) apparently have been granted immunity from administrative action, given the fact that no action was ever taken against their gross misbehaviour. Let's face it: Crystall launched a flame war against me, but no action was taken against him. Last week he launched a personal attack against Erik Reuter, and again no action was taken against him. As for Giorgis, well, we already know that he has a very long track record when it comes to personal attacks, but no action was ever taken against him either. How is being at the center of every list distruption in the past year and a half since I've been actively involved in this list less offensive behaviour? If you analyse those disruptions, you will find that it was never *me* who started them, but that I was fighting back after someone else attacked me. Jeroen History will prove me right van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Whoops!!
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Gary L. Nunn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 28 januari 2003 13:38 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Whoops!! I think a backup-list through Yahoo is a good idea. I mean it is impartial and for short whiles bridging periods of Nick's server being down I think we could put up with Yahoos obnoxiousness. I mean they do part of the archiving for us already so why not give it a try. It looks like all of the Brin-L messages are already being echoed to Yahoo Groups. That doesn't make it a backup list. IIRC, it is simply subscribed to Brin-L -- so if Arnett's server goes down, no messages will appear at Yahoo!Groups either. Jeroen Former co-listowner, wrongfully removed van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Welcome, Jose
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: maandag 27 januari 2003 5:47 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Welcome, Jose Welcome, Jose! Feel free to tell everyone how we used to hog-tie flame-baiters and tickle them into submission. You *tickled* them? So, what made you throw such a subtle method overboard? I mean, your method of list-control on this list is anything but subtle. Quite frankly, it is about as subtle as a sledge hammer... :-( Jeroen History will prove me right van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Desktop Icon Utility
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 17:36 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Desktop Icon Utility Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. ~ Hermann Goering Uh-oh! Of course you realise you are going to be flamed for implying that the Bush Administration is not unlike the government of Nazi Germany... I'm going to assume you're not joking because you didn't include a smiley. I was only half joking. I know you are not considering the Bush regime to be like the Nazi regime, but there have been several instances in this list's history where statements of that type have been misinterpreted. For example (and this is from personal experience), merely mentioning the Israeli regime and the Nazi regime in one sentence was enough reason for some people to accuse me of equating Israel with Nazi Germany, even though that was what I meant. Please don't deliberately misconstrue something I write to fit your own agendas. I am not deliberatly misconstruing what you wrote, nor is there a personal agenda here. I'm just pointing out how easily a statement like yours can be misinterpreted and have unintended consequences. Jeroen Casual Observations van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 20:18 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) If you're serious about publishing a CD-ROM, you might want to talk to an intellectual property lawyer before assuming that you're not exposing yourself to liability by doing so. I don't believe for a second that it would be illegal. The CD-ROM would only contain material that is already publicly available on-line (and free of charge), so I would not be violating any copyright. If it would be a violation of copyright, then putting messages in public archives would also be a violation of copyright. But as vast public archives such as Yahoogroups and Mail-archive.com still have not been shut down by court order, I don't believe for a second that any judge would convict me. If you are suddenly so adament about protecting copyrights, why don't I hear you complaining about people posting entire (copyrighted) articles from other sources (CNN, BBC etcetera) here? If you want to defend copyrights, then at least be *consistent* about it! I really don't understand why you are suddenly making such a fuss over this. I have mentioned making the Great Brin-L Archive available on CD-ROM before (on more than one occassion), but nobody ever complained about it before... Jeroen Architectus Tabularium van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 21:03 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) I should mention that I consider you a worthless piece of scum in Human form, No personal attacks. By *anybody*! That was pretty darn personal. Yup. And given an earlier statement from the list admins that personal attacks will not be tolerated, and given that the list admins have before banned a member on charges of personal attacks, I hereby request that the list admins take immediate administrative action against the offending individual. Jeroen Zero Tolerance van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Andrew Crystall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 21:34 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) Kick me off if you want. I'm NOT going to put up with his rubbish. You are free to leave this list whenever you want. Nobody is forcing you to stay here... Don't know how to unsubscribe? The Administrative FAQ on www.brin-l.com has the answer. I'll treat fairly with anyone who treats fairly with me. He's been abusive, stupid Mirror, mirror on the wall... Jeroen Zero Tolerance For Intolerance van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: The United States of America has gone mad
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Robert Seeberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 16 januari 2003 2:59 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: The United States of America has gone mad John le Carre snipped John le Carre's observations Couldn't have said it better myself... Jeroen Make love, not war van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: More on Definition of Abortion in English Re: More on North Korea
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 16 januari 2003 4:16 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: More on Definition of Abortion in English Re: More on North Korea I have to inform you that you are totally and utterly mistaken. It was an abortion in every sense of the word. At risk of belaboring the point, however, in the United States the term abortion refers to the killing of the fetus while still inside the mother. But Sonja does not live in the US, now does she? Besides, Debbi already confirmed that your definition of abortion does not correspond with the medical definition (termination of pregnancy through medical intervention). To put it simply, your procedure resulted in a legal birth (at least in the US.)An abortion, however, would not have had this result. Yes John. Sure John. Anything you say John. We are well aware of your black-and-white views on this topic, and you are not going to change anyone's mind, nor will anyone be able to change your mind. So drop it and go start a discussion that might actually go somewhere. Jeroen Painful Memories van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Andrew Crystall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 16 januari 2003 4:17 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) (Actually, it's not me who gets most of the hatemail but I HAVE managed to annoy some people, most notable the entire online Fallout community. Well, if you behave over there as you behave over here, that doesn't really come as a surprise... Jeroen Zero Tolerance For Intolerance van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Andrew Crystall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 20:35 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) Further, if that message is made available on CD-ROM, it is entirely reasonable for the producer of said CD-ROM to charge a certain amount of money for it. After all, the producer had to spent money in order to create that CD-ROM, and therefore deserves a reasonable compensation for it. No. Selling it at *cost* will be fine. Notice that I said the producer had to spent money etc.. I'd say that being compensated for those expenses would qualify as reasonable compensation. Try to make ONE PENNY profit, Let's say I charge USD 9.95 for it (including SH). How are you going to determine if I am making a profit on it, and how are you going to determine *how much* profit I am making? and there'll be trouble...from MULTIPLE sources. Try us. I have already shown why no judge would convict me. So, I am as impressed with your threats now as I was the previous time you threatened me with a lawsuit -- not impressed at all. I should mention that I consider you a worthless piece of scum in Human form, judging you by the way you've deliberately disrupted the list over the past 2 years. Feel REAL lucky I don't have admin rights, or I'd ban you do fast your head would spin. If you want to start selling a CD of the list acrives for profit, the gloves come off. ALL the way off. I don't take half-measures. Ever. Yes, I guess that IS a threat. Again, given the threats and personal attacks by mr. Crystall, I must request that the list admins take appropriate administrative action against him. Banning him till he publicly apologises and promises to refrain from this kind of behaviour in the future doesn't sound unreasonable to me. Jeroen Zero Tolerance For Intolerance van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Desktop Icon Utility
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 16 januari 2003 6:52 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Desktop Icon Utility It's the kind of thing that can be very easily interpreted the way Jeroen did. Yes, but it's *his* interpretation. Not mine. No, it is not my interpretation; I was pointing out how it was likely to be interpreted, based on this list's history of responding to that kind of statements. This should be a surprise to no one. He's been quite vocally anti- american for years now. I've said it before and I will say it again (although people will probably just ignore it again): criticism of American policies does not equal anti-Americanism. In Nazi Germany circa the early 1930's the German government created fear and loathing of several groups of people by merely accusing them of treason against the state and worse without evidence. Those groups had done nothing to the government or its people before being rounded up and murdered. By contrast, we were physically attacked on September 11th and the proof was seen by the entire world. However, the US was attacked by people from an other region of the world, but many of the government's measures are directed against its own population. I don't think turning the country into one huge police state is going to prevent terrorist attacks coming from outside the country. Jeroen Casual Observations van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 21:59 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) I frankly don't care. I consider his behavoir infantile and I'll treat him that way. If you're looking for an apology, you won't get a serious one. I'll just be sarcastic, I'm afraid. No apology hoped for or expected. Indeed. He definitely *should* apologise, but we would be fooling ourselves if we would believe such an apology would ever come. Jeroen Zero Tolerance For Intolerance van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 21:59 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) I've earned a lot of money from my writings over the years, so I don't take this very lightly, either. My intent is that these messages stay in the medium in which I post them. You mean, that medium where the whole friggin' world can already read all your messages without ever having to pay you a single penny for it? Sorry to disappoint you, but for all intents and purposes you gave up copyright to those messages the moment you hit the Send button. I think you are overreacting, and I believe (and have shown in a previous post why) publishing that CD-ROM (either at cost or for profit) would not constitute violation of copyrights. So, despite having been shown wrong, are you still going to insist that your posts not be included on the Great Brin-L Archive CD-ROM? Jeroen Architectus Tabularium van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Andrew Crystall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 16 januari 2003 16:20 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) You know, you could save the list admins some work and at the same time do this whole list a huge favour: get the fuck off this list and never come back. We don't need intolerant hate-spewing assholes like you over here. Hypocrite. What were you just saying about personal attacks? Given your behaviour so far, you are hardly in any position to complain about personal attacks... That is complete and utter bullshit. I have never ever deliberately disrupted the list. Defended myself against vicious attacks from lowlifes like you, yes, but deliberate disruption, no. If anyone is deliberately disrupting this list, it is you, with your incessive whining, your threats and your hate-spewing. Go away. You deliberately and persistantly do so *shrug*. Then PROVE IT! Or, in other words, put up or shut up. And then unsubscribe from this list, and preferably also unsubscribe from life. Or, to put it in words you might be able to comprehend: prove those claims if you don't want to end up on the wrong end of an libel/slander lawsuit. Your utter blindness and indifference to what people feel about your worlds is frankly astounding. Mirror, mirror on the wall... As is the level to which you take your closed mindedness. Mirror, mirror on the wall... I hold some VERY strong opinions, but I *try* not to force them down peoples throats and I'm allways willing to look at all sides of a situation. Your behaviour so far proves otherwise. Basically, everyone must agree with you, and those who don't will be attacked and threatened. Well...you're killfiled as of now. And I intend to take action *grins*. So don't complain to me via E-mail, I won't get it. Ah yes, the way of the losers and the morally inferior. Attack someone, then killfile your victim in an attempt to avoid being held accountable for your misbehaviour. Your mother must be proud of you. And your threat has been noted. It will be added to the Brin-L Hall of Shame. Jeroen Zero Tolerance For Intolerance van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Desktop Icon Utility
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Horn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 14 januari 2003 23:09 Aan: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Onderwerp: RE: Desktop Icon Utility Doesn't tell me much. And it hasn't been updated in since 12/29/02 even though I added a new icon today. And moved a bunch of things around this morning. Must be stored somewhere else under Win2K... Try the following: add another icon, then do a search on all files that have today as their latest change date. I have no experience with Win2K yet*, so I don't know if this will work, but it *might* help you find out in which file the required data is stored. *But a Win2K Professional CD landed on my desk just this morning, so there is hope yet... :-) Jeroen Tech Support van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 0:20 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails I think it's quite different from posting the entire subscriber list, since the latter would include people who never post, and thus never expose their addresses to spam-collectors. These are the people whose addresses are easily gathered from at least three archives; by definition, they are the most commonly appearing ones, thus the ones that can most easily be gathered. Bullshit. You posted a list of people's e-mail addresses. Period. You can't criticise one person for doing that, and then pretend that you have done nothing wrong when you perform that same act (or one very similar to it) yourself. Claiming that these addresses can also be gathered from on-line archives is only an attempt to deny responsibility. If you engage in any Internet activity, you leave traces, so following your reasoning I also did nothing wrong when I posted (upon request) a subscriber list, as those addresses could also have been harvested elsewhere. I lost my list-admin status over it, so the only right thing to do is remove you from your list-admin position as well. So, does anyone here have the equipment, time and interest to take over the hosting of Brin-L from Nick? Jeroen Double Standards van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 0:25 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) In other words, there may well be an exchange of data, but not with you. Clear enough? Phooey... is all I have to say to that. You didn't really expect me to be nice to someone who has treated me the way you have, did you? But you are welcome to buy the Brin-L Archive CD once it is finished... You're planning to publish a compilation that includes my messages, in which I hold copyright? That should be interesting. I don't recall granting you a license to do so. Your messages appear in the on-line archives at Yahoogroups.com and Mail-archive.com. Have you granted them a license to publish your posts in their publicly accessible archives? Probably not. So, are you now going to sue them for copyright violation, as they have obviously published your posts without your consent? Of course, if you are going to make a fuss over copyright, you will at least have to be *consistent*. That means that you will have to ban everyone who posts articles (or parts thereof) which have been published elsewhere (FREX, on CNN.com) and report the violation to the copyright holder (it's gonna be very quiet here, with most of the regulars banned). You will also have to remove the Etiquette Guidelines from your website, as that page is a direct copy of the Etiquette Guidelines page on my website (you only changed the background colour). I hold the copyright to the design, and Jo Anne Bird holds the copyright to the contents. Further, you will have to limit your on-line archive to containing only the messages from people who have given you their explicit permission to publish their posts in said archive. LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. LEGAL NOTICE II: By reading and/or replying to this message or participating in the discussion forum in which it appears, you understand and agree that all previously added Legal Notices are hereby null and void. And future ones, also. And you may be held responsible for your behavior, as unbearable as that might seem under the crushing weight of abuse from others. That last sentence is particularly interesting, given that you deny having done anything wrong by publishing people's e-mail addresses... LEGAL NOTICE III: By posting to this forum, you waive any and all copyrights to your posts, and agree to have them made publicly available on-line and on any other media, including but not limited to commercially available compact disks, without any compensation to you. Jeroen Legal Mumbo-Jumbo van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 0:43 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) LEGAL NOTICE III: By reading this, or even hearing about it, you agree that you will be an indentured servant, with me holding your contract. You will do what I tell you to do. You will agree that any further Legal notices that you might write are Null and Void. Out of curiosity, how are you going to determine if a person has read or heard about your legal notice, if said person does not mention having read or hearing about it? :-) Jeroen Legal Mumbo-Jumbo van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 1:02 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) The fabled archive. How many moons before it's finished?:) Many moons, I'm afraid. Work on the Great Brin-L Archive has to be done in my spare time, which by definition is limited. And I don't have the software to automate most of the work. It could probably be available by the end of the year if I could work full-time on it. However, that would require me to quit my job. I might be willing to do *that*, but I doubt someone here is willing to pay me EUR 4,000 per month for as long as it takes to finish the Great Brin-L Archive and then find a new job in my line of work. Jeroen Architectus Tabularium van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 1:29 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) In this case, I there is an implicit license to copy via e-mail clients and servers, as well as in other Internet-based media, such as archive pages. But going to another medium, such as CD-ROM, especially if offered for sale, thus impacting any potential commercial value of the copyrighted expression, crosses the line, IMO. If a message to this forum has any potential commercial value, then that value has already been impacted by the fact that said message is already available for free in at least three publicly accessible on-line archives. Making it available on CD-ROM only provides yet another source where said message can be found, and has no significant (if any) further impact on the potential commercial value of said message. Further, if that message is made available on CD-ROM, it is entirely reasonable for the producer of said CD-ROM to charge a certain amount of money for it. After all, the producer had to spent money in order to create that CD-ROM, and therefore deserves a reasonable compensation for it. Jeroen Architectus Tabularium van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Is Anyone Else Offended By This?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 3:03 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Is Anyone Else Offended By This? At 02:09 PM 1/14/2003 -0500 Damon wrote: I am shocked to see that you apparently believe that women would get an abortion simply because they can get it for free. Really John, making such a decision is a hell of a lot harder than that. ATTRIBUTION ERROR: I wrote that, not Damon. I think that it is a basic truism that when a service becomes cheaper, people demand more of it. That is correct when a person's *first* concern is money (such as with a two-for-one deal on, say, food). However, I doubt any woman will get an abortion simply because she can get it for free. But feel free to provide evidence to the contrary... Sorry to disappoint you, John, but capitalist theory does not ALWAYS apply. The decision to buy two hamburgers for the price of one is wildly different from deciding to have an abortion. Indeed, if provoding the abortions for free isn't providing the service to those who would not otherwise ordinarily procure the abortion service, then why else would he offer it for free? According to dr. Tiller's own news release, he hopes to draw attention to the increasing pressure being placed on abortion from pro-life legislation. Besides, how do you know for a fact that the women who will make use of his free service would otherwise not have an abortion? I agree. I had a friend who needed to get an abortion. Correction. She wanted to get an abortion. Damon provided no details about this. So, unless he either provided you with the details off-list or if you know his friend personally, you cannot possibly know if she only *wanted* it or actually *needed* it (like for medical reasons). Making such assumptions is not exactly beneficial to your credibility, John. Please refrain from making them if you want to be taken seriously. Thank you. Jeroen Painful Memories van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: N Korea threatens to 'destroy world' L3
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 3:33 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: N Korea threatens to 'destroy world' L3 The best creative solution to the DPRK crisis I have heard is this. Basically, we make it clear to China that if the DPRK holds nuclear weapons, then we will equip Japan with defensive nuclear weapons against the North Korean threat. Et voila, another Cold War is born... :-( So much for solutions... Jeroen No Nukes van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 4:06 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) I hope you guys realize that I was just poking fun at what I consider silliness... Given the complete absence of anything indicating humour, there was and is no reason to assume you were just poking fun. Jeroen Architectus Tabularium van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Child abuse (was: More on North Korea)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 5:38 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Child abuse (was: More on North Korea) I'd like to believe that my heart is big enough to care about all of those children. Your *heart* may be big enough, but is your *wallet* big enough to care for all those children you would save from being murdered? Indeed, abuse and death of children at the fetal stage of development is already illegal - except, oddly, in cases of deliberate parental consent resulting in death. Yeah, democracy and law sucks when it means you don't get what you want, huh? Jeroen Painful Memories van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Andrew Crystall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 6:39 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Alpha Mails (fun with SQL - L3ish) I'm not even much of a Brin fan any more Heathen! Off with thy head! Guards, take him to the chopping block! EVIL GRIN Jeroen Public Executions van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Desktop Icon Utility
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 13:46 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Desktop Icon Utility Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. ~ Hermann Goering Uh-oh! Of course you realise you are going to be flamed for implying that the Bush Administration is not unlike the government of Nazi Germany... Jeroen Battlestations! van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: More on North Korea
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 14 januari 2003 3:19 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: More on North Korea That's the administration's response to a dilemma that they were instrumental in creating: Ahem.The DPRK assembled its two nuclear bombs and began its uranium program under the Clinton Administration. This, quote, dilemma, was hardly created by the Bush Administration. But it was created by an *US* Administration nonetheless -- which I think is the whole point. It was not created by the Democrats or the Republicans, but by the US government. Jeroen Casual Observations van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: More on North Korea
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 14 januari 2003 5:43 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: More on North Korea And here I thought that liberals admired principle and diversity of opinions. Guess not. Exactly what do you hope to accomplish by making a sneering remark about people who do not share your political views? Either that, or perhaps you thought that George Bush should have followed up his conclusion that human life begins at conception, by standing idly by while he believes that 1.4 million American children are murdered each year? How nice of you to label thousands of doctors murderers and millions of other people accessories to murder. So, what do you suggest we do about them? Send all those millions of people to prison, as the law dicates for murderers? Execute them, as is not uncommon in most US states? Having been in that nightmare situation myself, I find it extremely offending to be labeled accessory to murder, especially by someone who shows an overwhelming lack of sensitivy with regard to the subject of abortion. I have said it before, and I will say it again: contrary to what you seem to believe, deciding to have an abortion is NOT some simple decision that people make over dinner between main course and dessert, and that gets scheduled between grocery shopping and a visit to the hairdresser. It is pretty much the most traumatic thing that could happen to a person. Jeroen You don't know what you're talking about van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Is Anyone Else Offended By This?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: J.D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: Geen Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Is Anyone Else Offended By This? Late Term Kansas Abortionist to Perform Free Abortions Wichita, KS -- George Tiller, the infamous Kansas late-term abortionist, will do free abortions on poor women Saturday to mark 30 years since the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion. Tiller said in a news release that he hoped the free abortions would draw attention to the increasing pressure being placed on abortion from pro-life legislation. ** I can just see the signs now: 1 Day Only, 100% off abortion sale. Or Bring a Friend Day, Buy One Abortion, Get the Second One Free! John, abortion qualifies as one of the most traumatic events a person can go through in life. Your comment is extremely insensitive and offensive. I think that the above really hits home the ludicrousness of the abortion situation The only ludicrous thing about the abortion situation is that a bunch of right-wing religious fanatics want to dictate to women what they can and cannot do with and to their own bodies. and to encourage women to have abortions by offering discounts or free for a limited time offers, just totally grosses me out. He is not encouraging women to have abortions, he is helping those who may have a perfectly valid reason for having an abortion but are unable to pay for it. IMO, George Tiller deserves a medal for his action. I am shocked to see that you apparently believe that women would get an abortion simply because they can get it for free. Really John, making such a decision is a hell of a lot harder than that. Jeroen You don't know what you're talking about van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: N Korea threatens to 'destroy world'
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ronn!Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 7 januari 2003 20:02 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: N Korea threatens to 'destroy world' At 04:28 PM 1/7/03 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I will be nice. I will be nice. I will be nice. I will be nice. Huh? Was it something I said? Jeroen No Nukes van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: N Korea threatens to 'destroy world'
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 7 januari 2003 4:19 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: N Korea threatens to 'destroy world' But now you sound like you do indeed predict the Iraq conflict to become a world war - and your language suggests a certain eagerness for this. Is that really what you hope happens? To be blunt, I find that attitude dangerous, naive and misguided. Deboarh, my position is this: The jet plane was invented in the early 1940's. 60 years later it was used to unleash destruction upon American cities.The nuclear bomb was invented only a couple of years after the jet plane. And that is supposed to convince everyone that within a couple of years there will be a terrorist nuclear attack in the US? Device A was used, therefore device B will also be used? You will have to do better than that. While pretty much every country has jet planes, not every country has nuclear weapons. Jet planes exist in far greater numbers than nuclear bombs. And getting access to a jet plane is considerably easier (just buy a plane ticket!) than getting access to a nuclear weapon. I think you underestimate the problems involved with obtaining nuclear weapons, smuggling them into the US, and detonating them. I don't think a nuclear attack will happen. Using conventional explosives is much easier and cheaper for terrorist organisations, and no country is going to launch a nuclear missile against the US because they know the US will retaliate immediately -- such a strike would only lead to their own destruction. Dictators like Saddam Hussein may be crazy, but they are not stupid. September 11th taught us that there existed enemies who would seek to destroy us. There have been enemies of the US who have been advocating the destruction of the US since decades before the September 11 attacks. Jeroen No nukes van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Nightmare fish in Brazil.....
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 7 januari 2003 5:35 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Nightmare fish in Brazil. Okay what's TMI, besides the one I can see out my back window? Too Much Information. Okay, what is that TMI thing you can see out your back window? Jeroen Insufficient Information van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: A Problem For Conservatives
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Kevin Tarr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: zondag 5 januari 2003 17:41 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: A Problem For Conservatives It's not the job of scientists to prove the Big Bang - it's their job to disprove it! I don't know why, but your statements look completely wrong. The statement is, in fact, correct -- at least according to what is taught in The Netherlands. Proper procedure is not to develop a theory and then try to prove it, but to develop a theory and then try and *disprove* it. That way you can prevent scientists from ignoring data that disproves their theory. Jeroen van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: A Problem For Conservatives
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Richard Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: zondag 5 januari 2003 21:15 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: A Problem For Conservatives I wish the likes of Scientific American would stop saying things like More proof for the Big Bang when they really mean More evidence for the Big Bang What's the difference? Jeroen Question on a cosmic scale van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Going to be scarce for a while...
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 24 december 2002 16:15 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Going to be scarce for a while... Sonja and I are going to be scarce for a while on this list. Well, whaddaya know, it looks like my Chello Internet connection just got restored -- and only a few hours after I sent them that fax message. Looks like someone over there was already experiencing the spirit of XMas. :-) Either that, or they were just impressed enough by my threats that, if they would not reconnect me within three days, I would bill *them* for every penny this mess has cost me*, file a complaint against them with the Consumers Union, and switch to an other broadband ISP. GRIN Of course, I am still going to do that anyway... GRIN *An amount for every day my connection would not be active (roughly EUR 1.58 per day), the costs of the various phone calls (which adds up pretty fast at 10 cents per minute), and the costs of my dial-up connection. Jeroen Happiness is a working broadband Internet connection van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: br!n: [LINK] What Science Fiction Author Are You?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Amanda SubbaRao [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 19 december 2002 4:45 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: br!n: [LINK] What Science Fiction Author Are You? How do people getting the full list deal with the volume? With great difficulty... GRIN (But it helps if you can read Brin-L mail at the office.) Jeroen Architectus Tabularium van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Question for JDG (or anyone else with a good answer)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ronn!Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 19 december 2002 8:03 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Question for JDG (or anyone else with a good answer) Thereby confirming what everybody knows: that government employees don't actually *produce* anything. (Produce in this case obviously refers to a positive contribution.) As a government employee here I am speaking, of this sound, this deaf'ning creaking. It's the thin ice on which you are walking, which makes the sound of which I'm talking. Even though that great is the temptation, speak not ill of the servants of the nation. For it is all of you that they do serve, it is your praise that they deserve. Jeroen Poetry On-line van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Brin-L Chat No More?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 19 december 2002 15:44 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Brin-L Chat No More? But the main advantage a permanent IRC room would have, IMO, is that night owls like me would be able to log in at all hours and stand a chance of finding company. You can log in to the current Brin-L MUD at all hours as well. Or at least, that has always been the situation; don't know if William turns off the lights after the last chatter has left. Jeroen To chat or not to chat, that's the question van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: brin: [LINK] What Science Fiction Author Are You?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Reggie Bautista [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 17 december 2002 0:00 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: brin: [LINK] What Science Fiction Author Are You? Jeroen wrote: That problem has been remedied; as of right now, www.brin-l.com is back in business! :-) Whaddya know, I'm now in the top 50! That's nothing to get all excited about -- there are 49 other people who are in the same situation. :-) Jeroen Architectus Tabularium van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: br1n: [LINK] What Science Fiction Author Are You?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Russell Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 17 december 2002 1:53 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: br1n: [LINK] What Science Fiction Author Are You? I'm now well into my seventh year on this list and I still barely scrape into the top 50. Some of the people near the top were only here for a little while and still managed thousands of posts... Heck, there are people we have not heard from for a long time, and are *still* in the top 20! Lessee. Pos. Name Posts Latest -- - --- 4Gord Sellar 3,248 Feb. 17, 2002 11Charlie Bell 2,035 June 22, 2001 13Nicola Gebendinger 1,949 March 12, 1999 15Stefan Jones 1,836 June 26, 1999 17Andrea Leistra 1,434 May 23, 2001 18Vera Horiuchi1,346 July 5, 2000 19Kristin Ruhle1,307 August 23, 2001 Quick WinNT Calculator calculation: these 7 people are responsible for 13,155 posts of the approx. 99,500 posts sent to this list (that's approx. 13.2%). Jeroen Architectus Tabularium van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Back
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Damon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 17 december 2002 7:36 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Back Hi all, Some of you may remember me, some of you probably don't, so I'll re-introduce myself for the benefit of y'all...;) Damon! Long time no see (since March 22, 2001 to be precise)! Welcome back! :-) Jeroen Architectus Tabularium van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Finished
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Reggie Bautista [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: maandag 16 december 2002 18:25 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Finished Sonja wrote: I finally did it. Finished the bathroom late yesterday evening. Steve replied: Congratulations! :-) Ditto! Now the question becomes, how long will it take for the men in your life to break it? ;-) Speaking for both men in the household (not necessarily for any other men in her life): we wouldn't even *dare* break it. The consequences would be too horrible... :-) Jeroen I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: African not black enough?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: maandag 16 december 2002 21:48 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: African not black enough? LEGAL NOTICE By writing a post that I respond to, you have agreed beforehand to transfer the balance in your checking account, your savings account, your retirement account, the cash value of your possessions to me at my request. I must inform you that, should you make such a request to me, you will effectively be taking over my EUR 1,453,908.67 debt to various people and organisations. Thanks in advance for lifting that burden off my shoulders! :-) You gotta read the fine print, son. Nowhere do I discuss your debt. Yes you did -- you mentioned the balance in my checking account. GRIN As for the rest, I have neither a savings account nor a retirement account, and strictly speaking all my possessions belong not to me but to the bank. :-) My momma didn't raise no fool. You do realise that a double negative makes a positive, right? :-) Jeroen Money makes the world go round van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Official Statement
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Marvin Long, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: Geen Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Official Statement IMO, an offlist offense that a) targets the server itself, or b) targets the membership of the list via bcc and/or forged headers, etc., constitutes an on-list (or perhaps list-related) offense in the sense that it is perpetrated against the list itself (the list being congruent with its membership, as facilitated by a given server). So, off-list cannot be assumed to imply unrelated to the list. One still needs to consider whether the off-list activity would constitute an offense. FREX, sending messages off-list because one is not allowed to post on-list would not necessarily be an offense (IMO, that would depend more on the content than on the delivery method); it can also be considered a perfectly justified way to circumvent the blocking. As for forging headers by changing the Reply-To address, I don't consider that an offense; the return address is clearly visible in the From: field of the incoming message as well as in the To: field of the reply, so the recipient can easily see where his reply will be sent. It may not be *nice* to change the Reply-To address, but it does not qualify as an offense. Jeroen Defense lawyer van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Internet Free Speech struck down by Australian court
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 11 december 2002 20:24 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Internet Free Speech struck down by Australian court What about posession of child pornography? Do you think that it should be given the same consideration? I understand that it's a different situation, but you can be prosecuted in this country (and entirely, completely rightly so) for possessing pornographic materials that were neither manufactured by you or in your country of origin. Does that apply to *all* pornographic material, or only to child pornography? Over here in The Netherlands, possession of child pornography is illegal, but possession of other pornographic material is legal (and easily obtainable: you can find sex shops in every city, and they aren't exactly hidden away in some back alley). Jeroen Three times a day keeps the doctor away van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: fibre for the masses
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ronn!Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 10 december 2002 20:50 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: fibre for the masses Yea, well they probably give you a shitty connection. Heck, you can get that even if they *don't* run the cables through the sewers. ;) And even with a _good_ connection, still sometimes all you can find on-line is crªp . . . And even with an expensive broadband connection, the speed is regularly such that I often wonder if they have the cables running through the shit, or the shit through the cables... GRIN Jeroen I call it e-shit van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Server back
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 11 december 2002 3:38 Aan: Brin-L@Mccmedia. Com Onderwerp: Server back And since it's a painfully slow machine (a Pentium 266 MHz, I was somewhat surprised to see), and I have a PII motherboard here, I'm thinking I should finally upgrade the darn thing I have an old PC (Pentium 200 MHz, 80 MB RAM) that is dire need of retirement. Once I have a new one, I want to upgrade the old one (new processor, perhaps extra memory) and turn it into a webserver. What would you recommend in terms of processor, memory, operating system and other software? The webserver will be build primarily just to get familiar with setting up such a server, and will otherwise only be used to host my websites, and perhaps for experimenting with running a mailing list on it. What would you recommend in terms of processor, memory and operating system? Jeroen Architectus Websiticum van Baardwijk LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: moderation is evil, why it must be eradicated
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 27 november 2002 3:41 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: moderation is evil, why it must be eradicated You're right. I am not right! Aha -- so you admit to being wrong! Now *that* is what I call making progress. :-) (Attention censors: notice the smiley, which indicates humour). I've always thought of you more as a crate kind of guy. Can I be a titanium box? No. Jeroen ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: moderation is evil, why it must be eradicated
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 27 november 2002 5:57 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: moderation is evil, why it must be eradicated but unfortuantely you were convicted of a crime and put in prison. Please refrain from making such comments; your statement could seriously damage Sonja's career. If it is found that her career is indeed damaged (for example, she does not get the high-pay job she applied for because the employer found your message and believes your statement to be true), you might end up facing some very serious legal trouble. Jeroen ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Social Security is Evil and Must Be Eradicated
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 27 november 2002 6:10 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Social Security is Evil and Must Be Eradicated As opposed to anyone under 40 who's paying into Social Security. Which is why I can't consider FDR to be a great President - for saddling America's future generations with this disaster. Why is it a disaster if a government decides to financially help those members of the population who (for some reason) are unable to generate income themselves? Over here, we do not call it a disaster -- we call it solidarity. Jeroen -- former recipient of Social Security ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Lies Aren't Evil Re: Religion is evil (proof)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 27 november 2002 6:06 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Lies Aren't Evil Re: Religion is evil (proof) [a] Lies are evil [1] If you were living in Belgium circa 1943, and had a Jewish family in your basement, and two guys in tacky uniforms ask you Wo sind die Juden? and you say Ich weiss nicht, your lie was *not* evil. QED lies are not evil. If you saw your neighbour murdering his wife, and then have the police ask you if you know what happened to her, and you say I have no idea, then your lie *is* evil. QED lies are evil. Jeroen ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Social Security is Evil and Must Be Eradicated
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Robert Seeberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 27 november 2002 6:23 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Social Security is Evil and Must Be Eradicated Which is why I can't consider FDR to be a great President - for saddling America's future generations with this disaster. Ahh..and what was the situation before the advent of social security? Educated guess: poverty, alcohol abuse, violence (domestic and otherwise) due to alcohol abuse, suicides. Jeroen ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Religion, the good side
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ronn!Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 27 november 2002 13:17 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Religion, the good side GSV Those Who Can, Do: Those Who Can't Do, End Up In Management ROTFL! There is truth in many things -- and this is definitely one of them. Jeroen ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Religion, the good side
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 27 november 2002 2:21 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Religion, the good side So, management wanted them to work properly. Productivity went way down. Now *that* sounds familiar. It is happening right now here at work; we are facing more and more restrictions on what we can and cannot do, and decisions on how we should do our jobs, thus making it increasingly more difficult for us to actually do our jobs. Time and time again I get the idea that the higher-ups who come up with those ideas have no idea what it is like on the workfloor. (And I have seen this happen in other organisations as well.) As a side effect, it does not exactly inspire faith in the higher-ups; those ideas are spreading the message that they do not really trust the people who work for them. Jeroen ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Religion, the good side
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 27 november 2002 6:36 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Religion, the good side Good lord, an innovative technique, including coming up with a radically new design, building and testing hardware, all within a year? If they spent 6 hours per day working and it took two years, then yes, it is likely it could be done in one year if they spent 12 hours. Following that reasoning, the job could be done in only six months by working 24 hours per day. Unfortunately, it is more complicated than that. Things like the need for rest, recreation and social activities tend to get in the way. Quality has often been sacrificed to meet an unrealistic deadline. Quality has often been sacrificied even after repeatedly extending the deadline. I submit the various versions of Micro$oft Windows as evidence... :-) Jeroen ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Social Security is Evil and Must Be Eradicated
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 27 november 2002 14:51 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Social Security is Evil and Must Be Eradicated Why is it a disaster if a government decides to financially help those members of the population who (for some reason) are unable to generate income themselves? Governments do not generate income. Actually, they do. It is called taxes. (My apology for using a dirty word.) They can't pull money for entitlements out of thin air. Correct -- that is why we pay taxes. I think the disaster point is when it'll take three workers to pay for one retired person. That is not so much a disaster but a case of real lousy long-term planning. Jeroen ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 26 november 2002 6:36 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated Well, as a statement, I find this particularly unconvincing. Perhaps you should try backing it up. How odd to see you make that suggestion. First you refuse to back your own claims because you believe that claims do not have to be backed with data, and then you go on to suggest that someone do exactly the opposite... How inconsistent of you. Jeroen Casual observations van Baardwijk __ Corrupted-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: DING! (was Re: NASA)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Adam C. Lipscomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 21 november 2002 1:12 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: DING! (was Re: NASA) DING! to Jeroen - posting offlist mail to the list. DING! to Jeroen - personal attack. Personal attack? What personal attack? DING! to Adam for unwarranted dinging. BTW, what is the Maximum Time Allowed between someone posting something, and someone else dinging that person for it? Jeroen Ding Dong van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Zebra update
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 21 november 2002 7:39 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Zebra update There used to be plenty of zebras in New York City. Unfortunately, they have all been killed in traffic by now; how do you think did all those zebra crossings got there, huh? GRIN Never been to New York, have you? Speaking as a resident, we know that the cabs aim for people and not animals. :-) Maybe those poor zebras were collateral damage? Cabbies prefer to run down targets that are more cunning than your average equine. OTOH, it is safer for the cabbie to run down zebras instead of pedestrians: zebras and/or their relatives are not going to sue the cabbie for millions of dollars. :-) (On a more serious note, you might wanna leave your bike at home, there were over 250 cyclist-related road accidents last year in NYC.) Let's put that in perspective. How many road accidents were there last year in NYC that did *not* involve a cyclist? How many people live and/or work in NYC? Sounds like cycling is a relatively safe method of transport. GSV Which is why Dodge Ball is a required sport in the NYC school system What, you mean that sub-machine guns are not yet standard equipment on bicycles in NYC? GRIN Jeroen Shoot first, ask questions later van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: NASA
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: iaamoac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 20 november 2002 18:58 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: NASA By posting entire articles, those people will now have no reason to go out and buy a copy of the latest edition; therefore, you may very well have deprived the owners and publisher of _The Economist_, as well as the owner of the newsstand, of income. I have considered this possibility also, and rejected it. Why have you rejected this possibility? (This is not a rhetorical question.) Me: It is highly unlikely. Why is it highly unlikely? (This is not a rhetorical question.) I think it is in fact very likely that people will not go out to buy a magazine if they have already read it for free on-line. (To take this into extremes: maybe the newsstand owner's wife will die because of your actions, because the revenue of those last few sales would finally have given her family enough money to pay for her life-saving operation.) I did not consider this possibility, but I have rejected it also. Why have you rejected this possibility? (This is also NOT a rhetorical question.) And how can you *reject* a possibility without first *considering* that possibility? (This is also not a rhetorical question.) Me: Pardon me. I meant to say: I did not consider this possibility, but I have now considered this possibility and rejected it. So, you are absolutely sure that something like that could not happen? I posted the articles, because I have estimated the denied revenue to be $0 . Even allowing for the actual denied revenue to be several standard deviations from the estimated denied revenue, the actual amount of denied revenue simply cannot approach such a level of significance, with 99.% confidence. In other words, nobody has been deprived of income because of your actions, right? And why do you refuse to answer simple questions on-line? (This is also not a rhetorical question.) Because I love seeing how many times you will violate basic Netiquette by reposting my personal e-mail back to the List Personally, I think you have a quite different reason for it. But anyway, I will take a discussion back on-list whenever and as often as I deem necessary. *** Me: So long as you don't care what effect these actions have on other's relative impression of you and of other's relative trust of you, then I guess that I can't stop you, other than to again remind you that it is considered impolite to repost this private message from me in a public forum. Given your history on this list, you are not exactly in a position to complain about someone else violating Netiquette. Actually, I do not even think that, given your history, you should have an e-mail address that has iaamoac in it. Finally, I noticed you ignored one of the questions in my previous post, so I will repeat it here: Why is it wrong if others deprive companies of income, but not wrong if *you* do the same thing? (Again, this is not a rhetorical question.) * Me: I did not answer it because my estimate of the denied revenue is $0, to one significant figure, thus the question makes no sense to me. I do not see myself as denying revenue - whereas my estimate of the denied revenue from ad-blocking software is $0 to one significant figure. Please show us the data that supports your claim that companies are denied revenue because of ad-blocking software. Jeroen Put up or retract van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: SCOUTED: What Would Jesus Drive
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ronn Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 21 november 2002 9:40 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: SCOUTED: What Would Jesus Drive Actually, as a carpenter, I suspect Jesus (and Joseph, too) would drive either a pickup truck or perhaps a van to carry all His tools and supplies to and from the job site . . . Next question: Would He have a Dremel® professional set of His own? Given that he is also in the Miracles business, I would expect him to not need any tools, but simply snap his fingers once to get the job done. As for his transportation: given his high profile and his importance to many people, he is very likely to be a target for terrorist attacks. So, I expect that if he would drive a car, it would probably be a high-powered, armour-clad SUV. Jeroen Safety first van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Posting articles, was RE: NASA
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ronn Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 21 november 2002 9:09 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Posting articles, was RE: NASA Posting a few articles here will probably not influence someone's decision to buy or not to buy a subscription; I will grant you that. However, if you had only mentioned those articles (and perhaps had given a brief summary) instead of posting the full text, people might have decided that the articles were interesting enough to warrant a walk to the nearest newsstand to buy a copy of the latest edition of _The Economist_. And others will feel that the article might be interesting, but because of their busy schedules are not able to get to the newsstand for the next several days, by which time the issue with the article in question is no longer available, so they will utter a curse on you and your children for the next ten generations for teasing them and not providing the full text of the article . . . Well, they could send someone else to pick up a copy for them, or, if that is not possible for some reason, order a copy directly from the publisher. Jeroen Money makes the world go round van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: NASA
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 21 november 2002 14:04 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: NASA [JDG claims that it is highly unlikely that by posting entire articles from _The Economist_ here, he may very well have deprived the owners and publisher of _The Economist_, as well as the owner of the newsstand, of income.] Why is it highly unlikely? Because it happens infrequently. How do you know that? (This is not a rhetorical question.) [On the extreme-case that the newsstand owner's wife will die because her family will now not be able to pay for her life-saving operation:] So, you are absolutely sure that something like that could not happen? Yes. How can you be absolutely sure that something like that could not happen? (This is also not a rhetorical question.) Given your history on this list, you are not exactly in a position to complain about someone else violating Netiquette. Actually, I do not even think that, given your history, you should have an e-mail address that has iaamoac in it. Neglecting of course the fact that you have always opposed the Netherlands never support the Netherlands supporting its friends (ie the US) in a time of need. Which is of course (1) not correct and (2) totally irrelevant. DING! for JDG for personal attack. Neglecting also of course that you also have been violating community standards of decency with regularity for at least the past few weeks. Which is also irrelevant, because (1) I am not responsible for your behaviour and (2) someone else's behaviour does not make it OK for you to misbehave. DING! for JDG for personal attack. Please show us the data that supports your claim that companies are denied revenue because of ad-blocking software. I think that you are intelligent enough to figure it out for yourself, especially if ad-blocking software becomes widely adopted. And as usual, JDG tries to take the easy way out... :-( Maybe I can figure it out myself, but it is *you* who makes the claim, so it is *you* who should provide the data. But unless you actually provide that data (which is highly unlikely), the only conclusion can be that you do not have that data and are therefore making statements that are not based on facts (which is not all that unlikely). Jeroen Shape up or ship out van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: DING! (was Re: NASA)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Adam C. Lipscomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 21 november 2002 13:48 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: DING! (was Re: NASA) Jeroen wondered: Personal attack? What personal attack? I quote: I find it hilarious that *you*, of all people, should complain about someone else violating basic Netiquette. In light of your running vendetta against John, this is, IMO, a personal attack. You are overreacting, good sir. By those standards, even your DING! to Jeroen could be considered a personal attack... DING! to Adam for unwarranted dinging. Unwarranted? Bah! *waves hand dismissively* What a terribly Giorgistic reply. :-) Jeroen Ding dong van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Copyrights, etc. (Was: RE: NASA)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 21 november 2002 14:50 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Copyrights, etc. (Was: RE: NASA) In point of fact, my decision to subscribe to Salon Premium was, in fact, due to the quality of articles I saw from the Premium section. In other words, the very occasional posting of articles is actually a form of free advertising for the publisher in question! I think that when confronted with this occasional posting, a publisher will think copyright violation, and not free advertising. But hey, we can put this to the test. Some of David Brin's more recent essays and articles are not available at Brin-L.com because he asked me to not post them there, as he intends to sell them to magazines first. You can post one of those articles on the WWW and then see what happens... Jeroen Money makes the world go round van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: DING! (was Re: NASA)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 21 november 2002 14:48 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: DING! (was Re: NASA) DING! to Adam for unwarranted dinging. Unwarranted? Bah! *waves hand dismissively* I'll ask you again to please keep it civil, good sir. Well, rather than Harumphing at Jeroen, I think that we could also take notice that he did not deny the first Ding! Of course I do not deny it; I readily admit that I posted your off-list posts here (or more correctly, replied on-list to them). Nevertheless, I believe the ding for that is unwarranted; I have already posted why I think there is nothing wrong with replying on-list to your off-list messages. So, maybe there is something positive to focus on here as well. and maybe the accumulation of Ding!'s might spur the List into taking corrective action. Such as? Perhaps removing you from this list, as this kind of stuff only happens after *you* send out e-mails? Jeroen Shape up or ship out van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: NASA
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: iaamoac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 19 november 2002 21:28 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: NASA John, have you ever considered the fact that posting articles from The Economist here prevent the owners and publisher of The Economist from recuperating the costs of publishing said magazine? *** To answer your question - which I know you value so much - Yes, I have considered the possibility that posting an occasional article from _The Economist_ on Brin-L might cause someone who might have purchased a subscription to _The Economist_ to not purchase said subscription, and then I rejected that possibility. Note that I did not explicitly mention subscriptions; surely you are aware that individual copies of _The Economist_ can be purchased at newsstands around the world. Posting a few articles here will probably not influence someone's decision to buy or not to buy a subscription; I will grant you that. However, if you had only mentioned those articles (and perhaps had given a brief summary) instead of posting the full text, people might have decided that the articles were interesting enough to warrant a walk to the nearest newsstand to buy a copy of the latest edition of _The Economist_. By posting entire articles, those people will now have no reason to go out and buy a copy of the latest edition; therefore, you may very well have deprived the owners and publisher of _The Economist_, as well as the owner of the newsstand, of income. (To take this into extremes: maybe the newsstand owner's wife will die because of your actions, because the revenue of those last few sales would finally have given her family enough money to pay for her life-saving operation.) In an earlier post, you claimed that people who use ad-blocking software are depriving hosting companies of income; that post suggested that you believe using ad-blocking software is therefore A Wrong Thing. Yet, you see nothing wrong with depriving the owners and publisher of The Economist of income by posting articles here. (I will ignore the obvious copyright violations.) Why is it wrong if others deprive companies of income, but not wrong if *you* do the same thing? (This is NOT a rhetorical question.) And why do you refuse to answer simple questions on-line? (This is also not a rhetorical question.) Jeroen Money makes the world go round van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds???
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 20 november 2002 10:25 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? Most of the DIY things I really want to get done are either very messy or really very loud. And sometimes: both... GRIN Rereading this, I guess Jeroen is absolutely right. Of course -- I am always right... :-) Rule #1: I am always right. Rule #2: Even if I am wrong, Rule #1 still applies. GRIN It'll be ages before he runs out of gift ideas for me hmm. Now I do have quite the opposite problem. What do you give a guy that isn't a crack-ass DIY-er? Well, I could provide you with the specs for a brand new state-of-the-art desktop computer... :-) Jeroen Expensive gifts van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: NASA
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 20 november 2002 14:19 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: NASA John, have you ever considered the fact that posting articles from The Economist here prevent the owners and publisher of The Economist from recuperating the costs of publishing said magazine? *** To answer your question - which I know you value so much - Yes, I have considered the possibility that posting an occasional article from _The Economist_ on Brin-L might cause someone who might have purchased a subscription to _The Economist_ to not purchase said subscription, and then I rejected that possibility. Note that I did not explicitly mention subscriptions; surely you are aware that individual copies of _The Economist_ can be purchased at newsstands around the world. Posting a few articles here will probably not influence someone's decision to buy or not to buy a subscription; I will grant you that. However, if you had only mentioned those articles (and perhaps had given a brief summary) instead of posting the full text, people might have decided that the articles were interesting enough to warrant a walk to the nearest newsstand to buy a copy of the latest edition of _The Economist_. By posting entire articles, those people will now have no reason to go out and buy a copy of the latest edition; therefore, you may very well have deprived the owners and publisher of _The Economist_, as well as the owner of the newsstand, of income. I have considered this possibility also, and rejected it. Why have you rejected this possibility? (This is not a rhetorical question.) (To take this into extremes: maybe the newsstand owner's wife will die because of your actions, because the revenue of those last few sales would finally have given her family enough money to pay for her life- saving operation.) I did not consider this possibility, but I have rejected it also. Why have you rejected this possibility? (This is also NOT a rhetorical question.) And how can you *reject* a possibility without first *considering* that possibility? (This is also not a rhetorical question.) And why do you refuse to answer simple questions on-line? (This is also not a rhetorical question.) Because I love seeing how many times you will violate basic Netiquette by reposting my personal e-mail back to the List Personally, I think you have a quite different reason for it. But anyway, I will take a discussion back on-list whenever and as often as I deem necessary. Finally, I noticed you ignored one of the questions in my previous post, so I will repeat it here: Why is it wrong if others deprive companies of income, but not wrong if *you* do the same thing? (Again, this is not a rhetorical question.) Jeroen Money makes the world go round van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Litigation running rampant in the US.....
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ronn Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 19 november 2002 5:09 Aan: Brin Mail List Onderwerp: Re: Litigation running rampant in the US. What they prove is that Jereon's .sig line from a recent thread is correct in such cases: they go after anyone thought to have deep pockets who has the slightest connection with the incident (reasonable or not). Exactly which .sig line was that? Jeroen So many .sigs, so little time van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Missile Defense in a New Strategic Environment
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 19 november 2002 5:36 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Missile Defense in a New Strategic Environment However, some list members rather voiciferously predicted that withdrawing from the ABM Treaty would produce an arms race. And who is to say that it will *not* happen? America's withdrawal was quite recent; a full-blown arms race does not develop over the course of a mere few months. Your statement however suggests that because a new full-blown arms race has not yet developed, it will not develop at all. Jeroen Incoming!!! van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: NASA
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: dinsdag 19 november 2002 4:23 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: NASA An editorial and accompanying news article from The Economist. snip article John, have you ever considered the fact that posting articles from The Economist here prevent the owners and publisher of The Economist from recuperating the costs of publishing said magazine? Jeroen Money makes the world go round van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds???
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ronn Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: woensdag 20 november 2002 7:25 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds??? But a real Dremel is the best -- accept no substitutes! Agreed. Of course, the problem is that once you get the original tool--even the set with lotsa attachments--you still get to go broke accumulating all the other attachments that you find you can't do without. The Dremel I gave Sonja came with an awful lot of accessories (and a very handy hard plastic box to store it all in), but there are still an awful lot of Dremel accessories she does not have yet. That is good situation for me: for the next few decades, I never have to wonder what to buy her for XMas and her birthday and our wedding anniversary... :-) Jeroen Tools Utilities van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Correcting a slight injustice
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Robert Seeberger [mailto:rceeberger;houston.rr.com] Verzonden: woensdag 13 november 2002 3:06 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Correcting a slight injustice I have been given to know, by good authority, that this version of history is inaccurate. I am told that Eileen did indeed type the commands that kicked Mark Constantino from this list, but that she did not do so as a sole authority. Then who is/are the other authority/authorities? AFAIK, there was no approval from the list to kick him off, even though it has been stated repeatedly over the years that such approval is necessary. But then, Eileen has changed someone's status before, without explicit approval from the list as a whole... Jeroen Brin-L Transparancy van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Correcting a slight injustice
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nick Arnett [mailto:narnett;mccmedia.com] Verzonden: woensdag 13 november 2002 13:53 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Correcting a slight injustice AFAIK, there was no approval from the list to kick him off, even though it has been stated repeatedly over the years that such approval is necessary. On whose authority was this stated? This matter has been discussed a number of times over the years; each time the list consensus about this was that kicking someone off the list should only be done after discussing the matter on-list, and that the actual removal should only be done when there was a list consensus about it. RTFA. Jeroen Remember Kyle van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Correcting a slight injustice
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:jonnrobin;hotmail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 13 november 2002 16:11 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Correcting a slight injustice RTFA. Uncalled for. Please be civil. Jon, out of curiosity, what do you think RTFA stands for? Jeroen Abbreviations'R'Us van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: japanimation
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Hector Sosa [mailto:fastalanasa;wheelmud.org] Verzonden: woensdag 13 november 2002 2:06 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: japanimation Has anybody seen the new UltraMan? It airs before I get home from work, but I've been dying to see it. That is why VCR's were invented. To tape a TV show, that is, not to assist you in dying... GRIN Jeroen 30 channels and still nothing interesting van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
