[FairfieldLife] Re: Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School

[salyavin808]

 Now just try and imagine the traumatic stress that would occur in the physics 
department if they got to see John Hagelin's latest yagya scam.
 

 They'll need more than meditation to get over that.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 4. nov. 2014 
 Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU
 
 Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU http://davidlynchfoundation.org "We 
have a student population of young people that have never been the chosen ones. 
Have never been the examples of success. .


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for the real science nerds here (as opposed to faux science nerds)

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't know Brian Cox very well so can't comment. Except to say that Harry 
Hill in that clip that s3raphita posted kinda nailed it about one aspect of his 
childlike sense of wonder -- "Get a watch, Brian!"  :-)

 

 I nearly choked to death on my coffee!
 

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:08 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for the real science nerds here (as opposed 
to faux science nerds)
 
 
 That always puts a smile on my face. It's so counterintuitive, one of Nature's 
surprising little tricks. It was thousands of years before anyone questioned 
the common sense of whether heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones and 
there you have it.
 

 I like Brian as a presenter too, he's kept his childlike sense of wonder and 
amazement about the universe and everything in it. But there's a serious brain 
in there, he works on the Large Hadron Collider at CERN so he knows his stuff. 
I've got one of his books on quantum physics and it's as simple as it's 
possible to explain it but that aint saying much. But I did learn how to do 
quantum probability predictions using his (or rather Richard Feynman's) 
calculation methods. Which made me happy because I never knew a bozo like me 
would ever understand it mathematically! That's the sign of a good teacher I 
think.
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Science the way it should have been presented to all of us when we were 
growing up, so we'd have developed more of a feeling for what it really was...
 

 Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | IFLScience 
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum
 

  
  
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 Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | I... 
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum You 
probably know that two objects dropped in a vacuum fall at the same rate, no 
matter the mass of each item. If you’ve never seen a demonstration of this, 
then yo...


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for the real science nerds here (as opposed to faux science nerds)

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't know Brian Cox very well so can't comment. Except to say that Harry 
Hill in that clip that s3raphita posted kinda nailed it about one aspect of his 
childlike sense of wonder -- "Get a watch, Brian!"  :-)




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:08 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for the real science nerds here (as opposed to 
faux science nerds)
 


That always puts a smile on my face. It's so counterintuitive, one of Nature's 
surprising little tricks. It was thousands of years before anyone questioned 
the common sense of whether heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones and 
there you have it.

I like Brian as a presenter too, he's kept his childlike sense of wonder and 
amazement about the universe and everything in it. But there's a serious brain 
in there, he works on the Large Hadron Collider at CERN so he knows his stuff. 
I've got one of his books on quantum physics and it's as simple as it's 
possible to explain it but that aint saying much. But I did learn how to do 
quantum probability predictions using his (or rather Richard Feynman's) 
calculation methods. Which made me happy because I never knew a bozo like me 
would ever understand it mathematically! That's the sign of a good teacher I 
think.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Science the way it should have been presented to all of us when we were growing 
up, so we'd have developed more of a feeling for what it really was...

Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | IFLScience

  
 
Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | I...
You probably know that two objects dropped in a vacuum fall at the same rate, 
no matter the mass of each item. If you’ve never seen a demonstration of this, 
then yo...  
View on www.iflscience.com Preview by Yahoo  
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 




This is a perfect example of my point. You are trying so hard to rewrite our 
personal history to fit your contrived narrative. Is your point so weak that 
this is what you have to offer as rebuttal?

I don't need to make up stories about your past to dissagree with your 
conclusions about Maharishi's teaching. Why do you?


Yup, that's really it, the bottom line. Thanks for nailing it so concisely, 
Curtis.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


No, no, you two are being way too
simplistic with this.  There are two groups here on FFL distinguished in their 
science by ontology; one group who are transcendentalists by depth of
experience and the others who are ignorant of spiritual experience.
It breaks out pretty clearly along that line.  I can appreciate that
you guys can not see this and that you think instead that it is about
you.  -Buck 

turquoiseb@...> wrote :


From: "curtisdeltablues [FairfieldLife]" 



 
You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL?

There is a group who criticizes the organization we were all a part of, the 
founder and the beliefs of the followers. (I am a proud member of this group.)

And a group who personally attacks their personal life with made-up assumptions 
about their state of mind and life in place of making a reasoned argument for 
the positive power of their beliefs.

The single counter argument for this group, no matter what detail of the 
movement and its beliefs are criticized seems to be : "Yeah but you are a poopy 
pants so neirner, neiner, neiner!"

This is a stunning indictment of the vocal supporters of Maharishi here that
the sophistic tool of personal attack, complete with fabrications about the 
critics personal life and business, is the go-to weapon in practically every 
response.

It's called "Hive Mind," and it looks like this:
Bark Lice Moving In Sync Provide An Interesting Look Into The Hive Mind Of 
Insects


And let me cut off the "but. but, but he started it" routine. You guys are 
supposed to be representing the most precious knowledge of mankind and HIGHER 
states of consciousness. I am just an ordinary working artist. (Yeah, Nabs jump 
on that to prove my point, go ahead!) I am not the one making claims that I am 
in a permanent state of infused being or that I am somehow participating in the 
most important work for the future of mankind, saving the world for an actual 
example claim.

So when your reaction to me saying that Maharishi seemed to be a super 
ambitious guy selling a panacea (which he literally and explicitly WAS) is to 
attack what I do for a living, or make up that I am somehow not successful in 
my life or career which you could know NOTHING about...

you reveal that, like your self proclaimed "master" the emperor has no clothes. 

Just notice what you are about to type right now. Let's see if there is a 
response that makes a cogent point to reflect upon concerning the power and 
beauty of this knowledge you hold so dear...

or if it is the same old routine. I am gunna predict no response because I just 
took away the only response you got. I would love to be proven wrong. 
Conversation might actually break out
here.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


The strange thing is that one hardly sees so much anger and frustration in the 
real world as on FFL. Even people who deal with heavy problems like living on 
the streets, addicts of all kinds very often have the Insight to see from where 
their problems stem; themselves. Not so on FFL.
Me thinks my old theory still holds; many of the participants here are quitters 
that jumped the ship that could have brought them
safely across the Ocean (as Muktananda described TM). Unconsciously they know 
this but instead of analyzing themselves honestly they start to kick in all 
other directions than where a kick would be justified; their own butt. Add to 
this the fact that many have reached an age where bitterness and anger perhaps 
is irreversable.
Particularily they blame the only Saint they ever knew for their failure not 
realizing he was only there to guide and inspire, the real work had to be done 
by the student himself. Not having the inclination towards self-discipline any 
path requires anger builds up and eventually catch fire - as seen on a daily 
basis by several poor souls here on FFL.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


I don't understand this non-issue that Share has created. The article I posted, 
specifically listed seven techniques to deal with toxic people, and Share gets 
hung up on the title! She also has an awful lot to say about what "we" would 
do, if... I used it as an opportunity to use technique #1, "set limits", not 
that Share is toxic, but she sometimes writes, before thinking it through.

I recognize that B fits the stereotype of a toxic individual, with his button 
pushing and desire to "get in touch with his inner asshole" (his words, not 
mine...). How

Re: [FairfieldLife] Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School
 


  
Traumatic stress for regular people = getting shot, being caught in a tsunami, 
having the plane you are flying in crash.

Traumatic stress for TM'ers = finding out Marshy was a liar, fraud and con 
artist.

That's pretty much it. It's like dealing with an entire herd of drama queens.  
:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mars had Life

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Heh. I knew you'd love this BS, jr. It's right up your alley, *including* 
attempts to redefine the universe as Earth-centric. It's like New Age 
Self-Importance Meets Medieval Cosmology Re-expressed As Woo Woo Physics.  :-)


You seem to be under the impression, however, that we actually CARE about what 
YOU believe. I can't speak for Sal, but given the way that you've demonstrated 
your mind works over the years on this forum, nothing you believe could 
*possibly* interest me. Therefore I'll let you find the "real video" and report 
on it here to those as gullible as yourself.  :-)




 From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mars had Life
 


  
Salyavin and Barry,

Both of you have jumped to conclusions, which is very typical with the way you 
think, about the content of this video.  As you have seen, the video is only a 
teaser or excerpt of the real video--which you have not seen.

Therefore, you've made criticism about something you don't know anything about 
and have assumed what the content of the video is.  Both of you are not 
rational.  You are delusional.







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


From: salyavin808 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Gosh, that might really ruined
Salyavin's day. :-D 

Why? They possibly found life there in the 70's but they landed the rover in 
the wrong place and two of the three experiments they had on board to test for 
life weren't designed for the terrain they found themselves in.

The one experiment that possibly did find life was discounted as they did it on 
a majority vote. All expeditions to Mars since then have worked on the basis 
that there is no life and they haven't repeated the original experiments to 
make sure.

Why would discovering life anywhere ruin my day? I can't work that bit out.


You aren't going to get anywhere by asking questions of John, Sal. As I've 
pointed out many times and as you yourself have noticed, no possibility of 
actual dialogue exists with someone who is as gullible, feeble-minded, devoid 
of reasoning skills, and convinced of the Absolute Truth of the silly things he 
believes as he is. He's the kinda guy who would actually *believe* the 
horseshit in this video I found on FB:


The Principle | Facebook


  
 
The Principle | Facebook
Why are leading atheists freaking out about this new documentary? Why are they 
trying to hide the evidence?  
View on www.facebook.com Preview by Yahoo  
  
 You'll love this, Salyavin. You thought that *Hagelin* misuses science to 
present hokum as if it were science? Wait until you watch *these* supposed 
"scientists" jump through hoops to "prove" their notion of a God in this 
astounding exercise in self-importance. They're actually trying to go back in 
time to the notion of an Earth-centric universe. 

Wow, it's a bit of a deliberately bombastic explosion of insinuation. I think 
there's a lot of out-of-context quotes here, and also a lot of media scientists 
with books to plug who probably didn't know they were being co-opted into some 
sort of religious thing.

What I like the most, however, is the
notion of "leading atheists" freaking out that someone came up with in the 
teaser line for this video. What on earth do they think constitutes "leading 
atheists?" Do they think we
non-theists have *contests* in which we sit around competing for first
place, shouting "No, *I* believe less in the Invisible Man In The Sky
than you do!?" :-)

I don't know what evidence they are supposed to be hiding! It's pretty obvious 
this is an amazing place - possibly the only place with sentient life anywhere, 
that makes it special to me, but is there a religious principle behind it? I 
don't think so, and I'd be surprised if some of the scientists on there I 
recognised thought so. It's a poor physicist that concludes there is a god just 
because they don't have an immediate answer for something. It's easier than 
thinking for sure but accepting magic as an explanation isn't what they're paid 
for!

I suspect that the makers of this video have edited it highly suggestively and 
creatively. Just like people did with the recent NDE research and just about 
everything else I come across on the net. The conspiracy gathers pace!

But that's JohnR to a T, just another irrational theist imagining a "gotcha" in 
some imaginary battle against atheists that's happening only inside his own 
head. *Just* as he did when he hoped that his silly hokum about Mars would 
"ruin your day." 

Oh, I think that was Bhairitu! He must have misunderstood me if he wants egg on 
my face







Yes.



On 11/04/2014 03:30 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>
 
>The NASA chief also claimed it may have life now.
 It appears that NASA is about to make an official
statement regarding its f

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

In other words, it's a Big Invisible Daddy In The Sky thang, Share. If you do 
something He don't like, He slap yo ass.  :-)

JohnR's position on all of this is just a retread of that same old familiar F E 
A R that has driven religious thought for centuries: "'Morality' consists of 
doing what *we* say to do during your life so that Bad Things don't happen to 
you after your death." 




 From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
 


  
Share,

Taking one's own life is similar to killing another person.  In both cases, a 
life, that is full of possibilities to perform good and to enjoy life, has been 
taken away and denied.  The act of killing oneself or another person is against 
Nature's functioning, which is to create life and to promote joy in existence.

The violation of natural law will have consequences or bad karma in yourself, 
the family or the environment.  The following adage would apply: you reap what 
you sow.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


John, I don't see how the principle of ends not justifying means fits in this 
situation. The person is taking their own life, probably to avoid unnecessary 
suffering. What is morally wrong about that, in your view?




 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?



 
Share,

The correct answer is that one should follow one's conscience to the best of 
his or her ability.  But one should follow the principle that the end does not 
justify the means.  IMO, ending one's own life through suicide is not following 
the principle above.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


John, I'm not sure that suicide is always in violation of natural law. What 
makes you think that?





 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?



 
Share,

I sympathize with your step Dad's suffering.  My mother also had a very painful 
and difficult death.  It is not easy to follow a moral act and, as humans, we 
should be able to make such choices.  But one has to be mindful of performing 
acts that do not violate natural laws.

If we violate natural laws, IMO the law of karma will take effect and could 
detrimentally affect our families and society that allow violence or suicide to 
occur.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


John, when I think about how awful were the last 3 years of my step Dad's life, 
and more than once he expressed the wish to be dead, I think suicide is 
sometimes the right thing to do. I think unnecessary suffering is morally 
wrong. 



 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?



 
Bhairitu,

You've raised a good question.  But it is considered a higher principle that 
the end does not justify the means.  In other words, one must act licitly to 
make a moral act.  You cannot kill another person or group of persons in order 
to obtain political power--which we can see the evil effects that are happening 
in Iraq and Syria.  Similarly, the same principle applies to taking one's own 
life.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


If you were suffering from terminal
brain cancer would you really want to see it through to the end as
your mind, vision, hearing went away?


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>>>On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
>A woman just committed suicide with the aid of
doctors in Oregon.  Is this justifiable in your own
thinking?
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>
>Vatican
thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked'
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>   Vatican
thinker brands US woman's suicide
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assisted suicide of Brittany Maynard, an
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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Shit"

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Identifying Your Inner Poopyhead.
 

 this is hilarious coming from one of the most powerful posters here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: One for the real science nerds here (as opposed to faux science nerds)

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Apollo 15 Science demonstration, dropping a hammer and an eagle feather on the 
Moon. Hammer vs Feather - Physics on the Moon http://youtu.be/KDp1tiUsZw8 
 
 http://youtu.be/KDp1tiUsZw8 
 
 Hammer vs Feather - Physics on the Moon http://youtu.be/KDp1tiUsZw8 Courtesy: 
NASA - Galileo and Apollo 15 At the end of the last Apollo 15 moon walk, 
Commander David Scott (pictured above) performed a live demonstration f...
 
 
 
 View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/KDp1tiUsZw8 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Science the way it should have been presented to all of us when we were 
growing up, so we'd have developed more of a feeling for what it really was...
 

 Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | IFLScience 
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum
 

  
  
 http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum
  
  
  
  
  
 Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | I... 
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum You 
probably know that two objects dropped in a vacuum fall at the same rate, no 
matter the mass of each item. If you’ve never seen a demonstration of this, 
then yo...


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Shit"

[Duveyoung]

Identifying Your Inner Poopyhead.

[FairfieldLife] "Shit"

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mind Control, was 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I remember when 'after the gold rush' came out, and it was like who IS this 
guy? I've liked that he blazes trails, like getting into electronic music and 
grunge, too. I like Crazy Horse too.  Absolutely fell in love with the ethereal 
sound of Its A Beautiful Day, with similar sounds from  Fairport Convention, 
early Fleetwood Mac, and Joni and Joan. Then the 'drama bands'; Yes, King 
Crimson, Jethro Tull, great stuff! 
 I remember when my wife and I first got together, late 90's, going to a long 
gone club with a decent tequila bar, called the Phoenix, in SJ, and there was 
an aztec psychedelic rock band playing for a few nights - smoke machine, so you 
could just see the band members in the mist, with traditional dress, playing 
insistent drums and long guitar solos. Very cool, and after a few shots, very 
danceable until closing -  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A lot of people don't know this but Neil Young is epileptic.  In fact when we 
opened for the Springfield they asked if we could play another short set before 
they came on because he had just had a seizure.
 
 "White Bird" was recorded by "It's a Beautiful Day" and I knew the guitar 
player, Hal, from that group.  Missed out though on hanging out at his place 
when a couple of his friends would come into town to visit: John and Yoko.
 
 On 11/04/2014 06:00 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Thanks for the time machine. I was very influenced by bands like CCR 
("Fortunate Son"), The Who, and Jefferson Airplane/Starship ("Volunteers"), by 
their uncompromising voice for change. Some bands only had a single or an album 
that made it big (ex: "White Bird"), but all of it was fresh and new, and there 
was a lot to choose from. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 The link to the Laurel Canyon site is interesting and brought back many 
memories.  However I wouldn't call Laural Canyon the birth of the Hippie 
Movement.  There beatniks before that and of course bohemians WAY before that 
even.
 
 Tim Leary never mentioned drugs during his at the event my band opened.  He 
talked about enlightenment and ways (other than drugs) of achieving it.
 
 Music always pushes the edge, many of the rock musicians in the 60s bands had 
jazz backgrounds so we put a little jazz into the music, as much as we could 
get away with.  Thus it had a very ethereal sound.  Record companies looked for 
bands who were a little ahead of the time.
 
 As for the protest songs they were what the record companies would let them 
get away with.  "For What It's Worth" like the blog writer points out was about 
a clash with the police over a popular coffee house.
 
 A lot of the rock musicians were around 2-4 years older than myself and indeed 
some had done a stint in the military.  But other than getting to see the world 
a little it had little impact on their music. Of course a lot of my fellow 
musicians were sons and daughters of dads who had served in WWII.  
 
 And some knew "people in high places" which kept them from getting busted with 
drugs by getting tipped when they were "hot". ;-) 
 
 On 11/04/2014 12:36 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   On 11/4/2014 1:22 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 >

 Back in the late 1960s during the "psychedelic era" there were all kinds of 
crooks trying to pull mind control on folks >
 We always suspected this and my theory is that the hippie movement was 
infiltrated by outside agents in a mass effort to program  the whole hippie 
community into falling down into a rabbit hole of confusion and ribaldry so as 
to self-destruct. 
 
 First they sent out informants like Tim Leary to try and talk us into taking 
psychedelic substances so as to alter our consciousness. Then, they sent in the 
rock singers to get us into a trance state with loud rhythm music and liberal 
lyrics.
 
 So, with the hippies all stoned out and getting programmed by the rock music, 
they became like robots controlled through suggestion and brain-washing. I 
mean, have you actually read the lyrics of some of those 60's protest songs?
 
 "There is something happening here. What it is ain’t exactly clear. There's a 
man with a gun over there." - Stephen Stills
 
 It is interesting that many of the late sixties rock singers were military 
brats and all connected to the U.S. military. In some cases, the rock singers 
were previously actually in the U.S. Military. 
 
 For example, Jim Morrison's father was a U.S. Navy admiral in Vietnam and 
Frank Zappa was a former Air Force Airman. This list of these military brats 
goes on and on. Go figure.
 
 The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon & Birth of the Hippie 
Generation
 http://tinyurl.com/klpfdtv 

 
 


 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Too cool -- what a rainbow looks like when you can see all of it

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

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 Where's Glenda?  Where the f is Glenda?!
 

 You mean Glinda, the good witch of the north. Here she is.
 

 

 

 

 
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I know, Ann. To be told how unworthy you are, over and over, does get kind of 
tedious.
 

 Yessiree it surely does. But I always read what you write. I have my favorites 
here.
 

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 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "I'd choose to move forward.  In my cosmology, you've got to.  The lessons do 
not go away." 

 I like this Steve. I have never seen such a waste of life as people trying to 
duck personal responsibility, and consequences. A few here have unfortunately 
made it their life's work.
 

 I have successfully passed by every single post of bawee's today. I think this 
is an excellent step in the right direction. I plan to continue this course of 
action for the foreseeable future. I haven't bothered to make any special 
folder for him since I read this off the website anyway and I wouldn't bother 
to take the time anyway.

 



 


 




















 


 

[FairfieldLife] TM gives huge boost to homeless man with hiv

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How Transcendental Meditation Changed This HIV Patient's Life 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] GMO's in Maui

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Good for them.  Now if we can get other states especially California to 
do same.  But the public is too butt stupid and scared of the propaganda 
that the Monsanto Crime Family spins when such a Proposition appears.


On 11/05/2014 04:45 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Too cool -- what a rainbow looks like when you can see all of it

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Where's Glenda?  Where the f is Glenda?!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

perhaps it will dawn on you some day, Michael, that physics, like every other 
branch is an evolving science.  this piece by Hagel may one day be shown to be 
prescient, or may one day sound like a backward thinking scientist.  Perhaps we 
will find out. 

 Of course, there are statements by much greater pioneers in physics who have 
speculated, just the opposite of Hagels.  But acknowledging that would be the 
equivalent of throwing sand into the gearworks of your mind.
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why don't you ask Pagels if he has a degree in physics? Just because you want 
there to be a correlation between quantum physics and meditation ain't gone 
make it so.
 

 "certainly could be coded in Indian science" - this is a horseshit 
observation. Prove it and then Pagels will have to eat his words.
 

 You are also misreading the post. Pagels says nothing about ayurveda - the 
author merely referred to Chopra as a defender of ayurveda. Pagels is 
specifically addressing the idea that modern physics is found in ancient Hindu 
claptrap and that the claptrap is validated by modern physics. 

 

 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics
 
 
   
 Do you have a physics degree, Michael?  A bit of what is in physics goes back 
centuries to Greece and other countries like China and yup probably India as 
well.  It's just observation and certainly could be coded in Indian science.  
Pagels must not know biochemistry or just thought that ayurveda uses exotic 
herbs he didn't have access too.  Examining the chemical properties of 
cinnamon, ginger, fennel, cloves he might have had a different opinion.
 
 
 On 11/05/2014 11:02 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   The notion that ancient Hindu mysticism is just quantum physics wrapped in 
metaphysical garb seems to have originated with Fritjof Capra in his book The 
Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and 
Eastern Mysticism (1975). 
 
 
 
 The book's first two parts are excellent expositions on ancient religions and 
modern physics. The third part, which tries to connect the two is an abysmal 
failure and about the purest poppycock this side of Bombay. 
 
 
 
 Nevertheless, it has been this third part which has influenced numerous New 
Age energy medicine advocates to claim that quantum physics proves the reality 
of everything from chi and prana to ESP http://www.skepdic.com/esp.html. 
 
 
 
 The idea that there is such a connection is denied by most physicists but 
books like Capra's and Gary Zukav's The Dancing Wu Li Masters : An Overview of 
the New Physics (1976)overshadow and are much more popular than more sensible 
books written by physicists. 
 
 
 Chopra and other defenders of Ayurveda, following Capra and Zukav, are fond of 
claiming that modern physics has substantially validated ancient Hindu 
metaphysics. 
 
 
 
 However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum Physics 
as the Language of Nature vehemently rejects the notion that there is any 
significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the 
metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. "No qualified physicist that I know would 
claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud," says Dr. 
Pagels. 
 
 

 The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do with the 
"field of consciousness" is false. The notion that what physicists call "the 
vacuum state" has anything to do with consciousness is nonsense. The claim that 
large numbers of people meditating helps reduce crime and war by creating a 
unified field of consciousness is foolishness of a high order. 
 
 
 
 The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and apparently 
supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure consciousness can only be 
intended to deceive those who might not know any better.
 
 
 Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me distress because 
I am a man who values the truth. To see the beautiful and profound ideas of 
modern physics, the labor of generations of scientists, so willfully perverted 
provokes a feeling of compassion for those who might be taken in by these 
distortions. I would like to be generous to the Maharishi and his movement 
because it supports world peace and other high ideals. But none of these ideals 
could possibly be realized within the framework of a philosophy that so 
willfully distorts scientific truth (Pagels 
http://web.archive.org/web/19990420021943/http:/www.trancenet.org/research/pagels.shtml).
 
 
 From:

 http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html
  
  
 http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] How to escape the clutches of Kali Yuga

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

you won it, Bar.  

 Whatever there is not to believe in, you will have won it.
 

 Now, to be honest, you may look around first, to see who else is there, and 
then depending on that, will depend on how big a show you make about it.
 

 but we still love ya!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Don't believe in silly Stone Age superstitions like 'Kali Yuga' in the first 
place?


Did I win? 
What's the prize?




 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

can you elaborate?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
By the way, I remember talking to you more than 8 years ago. 
But, I am not sure that was it's on this forum or another 
forum.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I know, Ann. To be told how unworthy you are, over and over, does get kind of 
tedious.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "I'd choose to move forward.  In my cosmology, you've got to.  The lessons do 
not go away." 

 I like this Steve. I have never seen such a waste of life as people trying to 
duck personal responsibility, and consequences. A few here have unfortunately 
made it their life's work.
 

 I have successfully passed by every single post of bawee's today. I think this 
is an excellent step in the right direction. I plan to continue this course of 
action for the foreseeable future. I haven't bothered to make any special 
folder for him since I read this off the website anyway and I wouldn't bother 
to take the time anyway.

 



 


 




















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks sal, I'll take it under advisement. 

 Actually, my meditations have been pretty good of late, so I may hold off on 
the checking.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's wrong, ain't it sal, just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion 
contrary to your own. 

 maybe you need to circulate more.
 

 Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel 
universe with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely 
related to what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying 
any old rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time 
of anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets 
out of it is anyone's guess.
 

 If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it 
but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him 
wasting his time. I don't give a damn.
 

 

 Steve doesn't understand the distinction you're making because some months ago 
something happened to him and he began to adopt Willytex's tactics himself. He 
doesn't really ever add anything to any of the discussions he interrupts or 
deal with any of the actual issues that the critics have brought up. Instead, 
he just says something nasty about the critic, hoping 1) to hurt them somehow, 
and 2) to shut them up. 

It was really SAD to see this degeneration of his mind happen here on FFL. 
There was a time when I would have considered him one of the fairly intelligent 
people here. But then something pushed his buttons Big-Time, and he hasn't been 
the same since. If I had to guess what it was, I'd guess that he had a strong, 
largely unconscious reaction to admitted atheists being able to speak here as 
if their ideas were just as valuable as anyone else's. He resented that so much 
that he started his "anti-atheist" diatribes. Now he seems to be able to do 
nothing BUT get his buttons pushed and lash out. Sad. Maybe he should start 
meditating again.  :-)
 

 He has changed hasn't he? I'm glad I'm not imagining that. Becoming a Willytex 
tribute act is a funny choice though. A checking would probably help his anger 
issues.
  
 

















 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 You got it Bar.  As usual you just hit the nail on the head. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's wrong, ain't it sal, just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion 
contrary to your own. 

 maybe you need to circulate more.
 

 Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel 
universe with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely 
related to what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying 
any old rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time 
of anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets 
out of it is anyone's guess.
 

 If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it 
but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him 
wasting his time. I don't give a damn.
 

 

 Steve doesn't understand the distinction you're making because some months ago 
something happened to him and he began to adopt Willytex's tactics himself. He 
doesn't really ever add anything to any of the discussions he interrupts or 
deal with any of the actual issues that the critics have brought up. Instead, 
he just says something nasty about the critic, hoping 1) to hurt them somehow, 
and 2) to shut them up. 

It was really SAD to see this degeneration of his mind happen here on FFL. 
There was a time when I would have considered him one of the fairly intelligent 
people here. But then something pushed his buttons Big-Time, and he hasn't been 
the same since. If I had to guess what it was, I'd guess that he had a strong, 
largely unconscious reaction to admitted atheists being able to speak here as 
if their ideas were just as valuable as anyone else's. He resented that so much 
that he started his "anti-atheist" diatribes. Now he seems to be able to do 
nothing BUT get his buttons pushed and lash out. Sad. Maybe he should start 
meditating again.  :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap 
because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make 
sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not 
knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you 
don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine 
spending all day trolling people!
 So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time 
too. Go figure.











 


 

[FairfieldLife] GMO's in Maui

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

http://mauinow.com/2014/11/04/maui-votes-yes-on-gmo-moratorium/
  
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thank you Michael.  How should I put this.  Are you are clone of yourself?  No, 
no.  

 Maybe, you are caught in this loop, where you think you are being creative, 
but actually you are just repeating the same thing, over and over.  (getting 
closer Steve)
 

 I don't know.  I just leave it at that. 
 

 But please, continue with your ongoing research project of finding every 
article that has been posted about MMY and TM movement since about 1956, as 
though it was today's breaking news.
 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And as I have pointed out before, Steve is a clone of Willy Tex

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's wrong, ain't it sal, just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion 
contrary to your own. 

 maybe you need to circulate more.
 

 Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel 
universe with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely 
related to what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying 
any old rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time 
of anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets 
out of it is anyone's guess.
 

 If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it 
but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him 
wasting his time. I don't give a damn.
 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap 
because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make 
sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not 
knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you 
don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine 
spending all day trolling people!
 So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time 
too. Go figure.











 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Jesus Christ, what's going on here.  You responded to something I said! 

 Now, I'm on the spot.
 

 Look, there are times, when I can't figure out why Richard insists on posting 
what appear to be complete fabrications.  And sure, I would take exception to 
them, and would find them extremely annoying if I were on the receiving end of 
them, which I think I have been on occasion.
 

 But there are times, many times in fact, when I find him kknkowledgeable and 
very entertaining, and it appears others do as well, including Ann, in that 
instance.
 

 That was the gist of my comment.
 

 And for the record, when the discussion turns to details of Vedic or Buddhist 
stuff, about which he banters with others here, I generally don't have a clue.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's wrong, ain't it sal, just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion 
contrary to your own. 

 maybe you need to circulate more.
 

 Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel 
universe with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely 
related to what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying 
any old rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time 
of anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets 
out of it is anyone's guess.
 

 If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it 
but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him 
wasting his time. I don't give a damn.
 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap 
because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make 
sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not 
knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you 
don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine 
spending all day trolling people!
 So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time 
too. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: One for the real science nerds here (as opposed to faux science nerds)

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nptDP35Tb0 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nptDP35Tb0

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[FairfieldLife] Bardo, was How to escape the clutches of Kali Yuga

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/5/2014 10:57 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Don't believe in silly Stone Age superstitions like 'Kali Yuga' in the 
first place?

>
/"Those of us who spent our lives thinking about (and doing) more 
pleasant things will have a more pleasant journey through the bardo, 
because the things *we* focused on most will also manifest." - /TurquoiseB/


//http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg240684.html 
/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Traumatic stress for regular people = getting shot, being caught in a tsunami, 
having the plane you are flying in crash.

Traumatic stress for TM'ers = finding out Marshy was a liar, fraud and con 
artist.




 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 4:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School
 


  
Published 4. Nov 2014
Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School
 
   Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School  
http://davidlynchfoundation.org "We have a student population of young people 
that have never been the chosen ones. Have never been the examples of success. 
.  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You are correct - I was referring to the letter that Pagels wrote which I also 
posted but I see in hind sight that you were referring to the first post and 
not the full letter - I stand corrected.




 From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics
 


  
On 11/05/2014 11:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

  
>Why don't you ask Pagels if he has a degree in physics? Just because you want 
>there to be a correlation between quantum physics and meditation ain't gone 
>make it so.
>
>
>"certainly could be coded in Indian science" - this is a horseshit 
>observation. Prove it and then Pagels will have to eat his words.
>
>
This is the narcissism of believing that our current civilization is
the most advanced that EVER existed on this planet. That can't be
correlated because real scientists have figured that after 5000 year
much evidence of a civilization would have deteriorated.  All you
get is stone masonry and broken pottery.


You are also misreading the post. Pagels says nothing about ayurveda - the 
author merely referred to Chopra as a defender of ayurveda. Pagels is 
specifically addressing the idea that modern physics is found in ancient Hindu 
claptrap and that the claptrap is validated by modern physics. 
>
>
>
You don't even read the stuff you post?


However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum Physics 
as the Language of Nature vehemently rejects the notion that there is any 
significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the 
metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. "No qualified physicist that I know would 
claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud," says Dr. 
Pagels. 
 




>
> From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 
> 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics
> 
>
>
>  
>Do you have a physics degree, Michael?  A bit of what is in physics goes back 
>centuries to Greece and other countries like China and yup probably India as 
>well.  It's just observation and certainly could be coded in Indian science.  
>Pagels must not know biochemistry or just thought that ayurveda uses exotic 
>herbs he didn't have access too.  Examining the chemical properties of 
>cinnamon, ginger, fennel, cloves he might have had a different opinion.
>
>
>On 11/05/2014 11:02 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
>wrote:
>
>  
>>The notion that ancient Hindu mysticism is just quantum physics wrapped in 
>>metaphysical garb seems to have originated with Fritjof Capra in his book The 
>>Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and 
>>Eastern Mysticism (1975). 
>>
>>
>>
>>The book's first two parts are excellent expositions on ancient religions and 
>>modern physics. The third part, which tries to connect the two is an abysmal 
>>failure and about the purest poppycock this side of Bombay. 
>>
>>
>>
>>Nevertheless, it has been this third part which has influenced numerous New 
>>Age energy medicine advocates to claim that quantum physics proves the 
>>reality of everything from chi and prana to ESP. 
>>
>>
>>
>>The idea that there is such a connection is denied by most physicists but 
>>books like Capra's and Gary Zukav's The Dancing Wu Li Masters : An Overview 
>>of the New Physics (1976) overshadow and are much more popular than more 
>>sensible books written by physicists.  
>>
>>
>>Chopra and other defenders of Ayurveda, following Capra and Zukav, are fond 
>>of claiming that modern physics has substantially validated ancient Hindu 
>>metaphysics. 
>>
>>
>>
>>However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum 
>>Physics as the Language of Nature vehemently rejects the notion that there is 
>>any significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and 
>>the metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. "No qualified physicist that I know 
>>would claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud," 
>>says Dr. Pagels. 
>>
>>
>>
>>The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do with the 
>>"field of consciousness" is false. The notion that what physicists call "the 
>>vacuum state" has anything to do with consciousness is nonsense. The claim 
>>that large numbers of people meditating helps reduce crime and war by 
>>creating a unified field of consciousness is foolishness of a high order. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and apparently 
>>>supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure consciousness can only 
>>>be intended to deceive those who might not know any better.
>>>
>>>
>>>Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me distress 
>>>because 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Share, 

 Taking one's own life is similar to killing another person.  In both cases, a 
life, that is full of possibilities to perform good and to enjoy life, has been 
taken away and denied.  The act of killing oneself or another person is against 
Nature's functioning, which is to create life and to promote joy in existence.
 

 The violation of natural law will have consequences or bad karma in yourself, 
the family or the environment.  The following adage would apply: you reap what 
you sow.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, I don't see how the principle of ends not justifying means fits in this 
situation. The person is taking their own life, probably to avoid unnecessary 
suffering. What is morally wrong about that, in your view?
 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
 
 
   Share,
 

 The correct answer is that one should follow one's conscience to the best of 
his or her ability.  But one should follow the principle that the end does not 
justify the means.  IMO, ending one's own life through suicide is not following 
the principle above.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, I'm not sure that suicide is always in violation of natural law. What 
makes you think that?
 


 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
 
 
   Share,
 

 I sympathize with your step Dad's suffering.  My mother also had a very 
painful and difficult death.  It is not easy to follow a moral act and, as 
humans, we should be able to make such choices.  But one has to be mindful of 
performing acts that do not violate natural laws.
 

 If we violate natural laws, IMO the law of karma will take effect and could 
detrimentally affect our families and society that allow violence or suicide to 
occur.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, when I think about how awful were the last 3 years of my step Dad's 
life, and more than once he expressed the wish to be dead, I think suicide is 
sometimes the right thing to do. I think unnecessary suffering is morally 
wrong. 
 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 3:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
 
 
   Bhairitu,
 

 You've raised a good question.  But it is considered a higher principle that 
the end does not justify the means.  In other words, one must act licitly to 
make a moral act.  You cannot kill another person or group of persons in order 
to obtain political power--which we can see the evil effects that are happening 
in Iraq and Syria.  Similarly, the same principle applies to taking one's own 
life.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you really want to see 
it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing went away?
 
 On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon.  Is this 
justifiable in your own thinking?
 
 
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked'
 
 
 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html
 
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... A senior Vatican official 
has condemned as "wicked" the assisted suicide of Brittany Maynard, an American 
woman suffering from terminal brain cancer. &...


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Mars had Life

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Salyavin and Barry, 

 Both of you have jumped to conclusions, which is very typical with the way you 
think, about the content of this video.  As you have seen, the video is only a 
teaser or excerpt of the real video--which you have not seen.
 

 Therefore, you've made criticism about something you don't know anything about 
and have assumed what the content of the video is.  Both of you are not 
rational.  You are delusional.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Gosh, that might really ruined Salyavin's day. :-D 
 

 Why? They possibly found life there in the 70's but they landed the rover in 
the wrong place and two of the three experiments they had on board to test for 
life weren't designed for the terrain they found themselves in.
 

 The one experiment that possibly did find life was discounted as they did it 
on a majority vote. All expeditions to Mars since then have worked on the basis 
that there is no life and they haven't repeated the original experiments to 
make sure.
 

 Why would discovering life anywhere ruin my day? I can't work that bit out.


You aren't going to get anywhere by asking questions of John, Sal. As I've 
pointed out many times and as you yourself have noticed, no possibility of 
actual dialogue exists with someone who is as gullible, feeble-minded, devoid 
of reasoning skills, and convinced of the Absolute Truth of the silly things he 
believes as he is. He's the kinda guy who would actually *believe* the 
horseshit in this video I found on FB:

 The Principle | Facebook 
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=328951900609527&fref=nf


  
  
 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=328951900609527&fref=nf
  
  
  
  
  
 The Principle | Facebook 
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=328951900609527&fref=nf Why are leading 
atheists freaking out about this new documentary? Why are they trying to hide 
the evidence?


 
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You'll love this, Salyavin. You thought that *Hagelin* misuses science to 
present hokum as if it were science? Wait until you watch *these* supposed 
"scientists" jump through hoops to "prove" their notion of a God in this 
astounding exercise in self-importance. They're actually trying to go back in 
time to the notion of an Earth-centric universe. 
 

 Wow, it's a bit of a deliberately bombastic explosion of insinuation. I think 
there's a lot of out-of-context quotes here, and also a lot of media scientists 
with books to plug who probably didn't know they were being co-opted into some 
sort of religious thing.

What I like the most, however, is the notion of "leading atheists" freaking out 
that someone came up with in the teaser line for this video. What on earth do 
they think constitutes "leading atheists?" Do they think we non-theists have 
*contests* in which we sit around competing for first place, shouting "No, *I* 
believe less in the Invisible Man In The Sky than you do!?" :-)
 

 I don't know what evidence they are supposed to be hiding! It's pretty obvious 
this is an amazing place - possibly the only place with sentient life anywhere, 
that makes it special to me, but is there a religious principle behind it? I 
don't think so, and I'd be surprised if some of the scientists on there I 
recognised thought so. It's a poor physicist that concludes there is a god just 
because they don't have an immediate answer for something. It's easier than 
thinking for sure but accepting magic as an explanation isn't what they're paid 
for!
 

 I suspect that the makers of this video have edited it highly suggestively and 
creatively. Just like people did with the recent NDE research and just about 
everything else I come across on the net. The conspiracy gathers pace!

But that's JohnR to a T, just another irrational theist imagining a "gotcha" in 
some imaginary battle against atheists that's happening only inside his own 
head. *Just* as he did when he hoped that his silly hokum about Mars would 
"ruin your day." 

Oh, I think that was Bhairitu! He must have misunderstood me if he wants egg on 
my face
 

 



 


 Yes.
 

 
 On 11/04/2014 03:30 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   The NASA chief also claimed it may have life now.  It appears that NASA is 
about to make an official statement regarding its findings on Mars based on 
data from the rovers.  Stay tuned.
 
 
 http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-did-and-might-have-life-says-nasa-boss 
http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-did-and-might-have-life-says-nasa-boss
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

[curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 
This is a perfect example of my point. You are trying so hard to rewrite our 
personal history to fit your contrived narrative. Is your point so weak that 
this is what you have to offer as rebuttal?
 

 I don't need to make up stories about your past to dissagree with your 
conclusions about Maharishi's teaching. Why do you?
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, no, you two are being way too simplistic with this. There are two groups 
here on FFL distinguished in their science by ontology; one group who are 
transcendentalists by depth of experience and the others who are ignorant of 
spiritual experience. It breaks out pretty clearly along that line. I can 
appreciate that you guys can not see this and that you think instead that it is 
about you. -Buck 
 

 turquoiseb@...> wrote :
 
 From: "curtisdeltablues [FairfieldLife]" 
 
   You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL?

There is a group who criticizes the organization we were all a part of, the 
founder and the beliefs of the followers. (I am a proud member of this group.)

And a group who personally attacks their personal life with made-up assumptions 
about their state of mind and life in place of making a reasoned argument for 
the positive power of their beliefs.

The single counter argument for this group, no matter what detail of the 
movement and its beliefs are criticized seems to be : "Yeah but you are a poopy 
pants so neirner, neiner, neiner!"

This is a stunning indictment of the vocal supporters of Maharishi here that 
the sophistic tool of personal attack, complete with fabrications about the 
critics personal life and business, is the go-to weapon in practically every 
response.
 

 It's called "Hive Mind," and it looks like this:
 Bark Lice Moving In Sync Provide An Interesting Look Into The Hive Mind Of 
Insects 
http://digg.com/video/bark-lice-moving-in-sync-provide-an-interesting-look-into-the-hive-mind-of-insects

 
And let me cut off the "but. but, but he started it" routine. You guys are 
supposed to be representing the most precious knowledge of mankind and HIGHER 
states of consciousness. I am just an ordinary working artist. (Yeah, Nabs jump 
on that to prove my point, go ahead!) I am not the one making claims that I am 
in a permanent state of infused being or that I am somehow participating in the 
most important work for the future of mankind, saving the world for an actual 
example claim.

So when your reaction to me saying that Maharishi seemed to be a super 
ambitious guy selling a panacea (which he literally and explicitly WAS) is to 
attack what I do for a living, or make up that I am somehow not successful in 
my life or career which you could know NOTHING about...

you reveal that, like your self proclaimed "master" the emperor has no clothes. 

Just notice what you are about to type right now. Let's see if there is a 
response that makes a cogent point to reflect upon concerning the power and 
beauty of this knowledge you hold so dear...

or if it is the same old routine. I am gunna predict no response because I just 
took away the only response you got. I would love to be proven wrong. 
Conversation might actually break out here.



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The strange thing is that one hardly sees so much anger and frustration in the 
real world as on FFL. Even people who deal with heavy problems like living on 
the streets, addicts of all kinds very often have the Insight to see from where 
their problems stem; themselves. Not so on FFL.
 Me thinks my old theory still holds; many of the participants here are 
quitters that jumped the ship that could have brought them safely across the 
Ocean (as Muktananda described TM). Unconsciously they know this but instead of 
analyzing themselves honestly they start to kick in all other directions than 
where a kick would be justified; their own butt. Add to this the fact that many 
have reached an age where bitterness and anger perhaps is irreversable.
 Particularily they blame the only Saint they ever knew for their failure not 
realizing he was only there to guide and inspire, the real work had to be done 
by the student himself. Not having the inclination towards self-discipline any 
path requires anger builds up and eventually catch fire - as seen on a daily 
basis by several poor souls here on FFL.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't understand this non-issue that Share has created. The article I 
posted, specifically listed seven techniques to deal with toxic people, and 
Share gets hung up on the title! She also has an awful lot to say about what 
"we" would do, if... I used it as an opportunity to use technique #1, "set 
limits", not that Share is toxic, but she sometimes writes, before thinking it 
through. 

 I recognize that B fits the stereotype of a toxic individual, with his button 
pushing and desire to "get in touch with his inner asshole" (his words, not 
mine...). However, I also 

[FairfieldLife] Re: One for the real science nerds here (as opposed to faux science nerds)

[salyavin808]

 That always puts a smile on my face. It's so counterintuitive, one of Nature's 
surprising little tricks. It was thousands of years before anyone questioned 
the common sense of whether heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones and 
there you have it.
 

 I like Brian as a presenter too, he's kept his childlike sense of wonder and 
amazement about the universe and everything in it. But there's a serious brain 
in there, he works on the Large Hadron Collider at CERN so he knows his stuff. 
I've got one of his books on quantum physics and it's as simple as it's 
possible to explain it but that aint saying much. But I did learn how to do 
quantum probability predictions using his (or rather Richard Feynman's) 
calculation methods. Which made me happy because I never knew a bozo like me 
would ever understand it mathematically! That's the sign of a good teacher I 
think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Science the way it should have been presented to all of us when we were 
growing up, so we'd have developed more of a feeling for what it really was...
 

 Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | IFLScience 
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum
 

  
  
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probably know that two objects dropped in a vacuum fall at the same rate, no 
matter the mass of each item. If you’ve never seen a demonstration of this, 
then yo...


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The first philosopher...

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Re: [FairfieldLife] One for the real science nerds here (as opposed to faux science nerds)

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Doncha think that the "real science nerds" here already know this and 
don't need the article?  It might help our "armchair scientists" though. 
:-D



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[FairfieldLife] wrote:
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were growing up, so we'd have developed more of a feeling for what it 
really was...


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[FairfieldLife] Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School

[nablusoss1008]

4. nov. 2014 
 Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU 
 
 Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU http://davidlynchfoundation.org "We 
have a student population of young people that have never been the chosen ones. 
Have never been the examples of success. .
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School

[nablusoss1008]

Published 4. Nov 2014
 Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU 
 
 Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU http://davidlynchfoundation.org "We 
have a student population of young people that have never been the chosen ones. 
Have never been the examples of success. .
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: He Came Out Of The Himalayas

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/5/2014 9:34 AM, wgm4u wrote:
>


I didn't know Maharishi recommended being Gay! Are you sure...?


>
/"I had been very close to Mahesh Yogi and he had represented to me 
Truth. Truth was very essential to me, and always had been. That is, as 
much of the truth as was possible in the West at that time. Since I felt 
Mahesh Yogi had failed to keep to truth, I had to leave him. Referring 
to my statement he said that I was 'unstressing' the karma that was 
'coming from me'. From then, I gave him his last nightly massage, kissed 
his feet, and left him." -/Conny Larsson, //God's Little Clown

///
/*/Behind the Clown's Mask/*/
//by Conny Larsson/
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moments Of Wonder. with Philomena Cunk

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


From: salyavin808 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q

Crime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY

Evolution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc

Computers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak

Money:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8



 
 Hilarious, how does she keep a straight face!


 
She seems to be a comedian:  Diane Morgan -
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The interviews are priceless, you can tell they didn't know they were being set 
up.

The "money" episode with Will Hutton is marvellous, he doesn't know what 
approach to take, probably wasn't expecting someone quite so dumb, usually he 
appears on the any flagship news programme that needs a heavyweight economist.


I honestly think this is one of the most clever riffs I've seen in many years, 
reminiscent of some of Andy Kaufman's stunts. She's just so perfectly deadpan 
that you really can't tell whether she's an idiot (as you suspect) or she's 
having you on (which you don't dare suspect because she showed up with a camera 
crew and you're hoping to be on telly). 



  
  
Diane Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Diane Morgan is an English actress, comedian and writer. Originally from 
Bolton, Greater Manchester, she studied at East 15 Acting School before playing 
Dawn in Peter Kay's Phoenix Nights.[1] As a stand up comedian she has been 
placed second in the Hackney Empire New Act of the...  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Mind Control, was 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/5/2014 10:46 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


A lot of people don't know this but Neil Young is epileptic.  In fact 
when we opened for the Springfield they asked if we could play another 
short set before they came on because he had just had a seizure.

>
/"During the early years of its heyday, Laurel Canyon’s father figure is 
the rather eccentric personality known as Frank Zappa. Though he and his 
various Mothers of Invention line-ups will never attain the commercial 
success of the band headed by the admiral’s son, Frank will be a hugely 
influential figure among his contemporaries.


Ensconced in an abode dubbed the ‘Log Cabin’ – which sat right in the 
heart of Laurel Canyon, at the crossroads of Laurel Canyon Boulevard and 
Lookout Mountain Avenue – Zappa will play host to virtually every 
musician who passes through the canyon in the mid- to late-1960s./"

>


"White Bird" was recorded by "It's a Beautiful Day" and I knew the 
guitar player, Hal, from that group.  Missed out though on hanging out 
at his place when a couple of his friends would come into town to 
visit: John and Yoko.


On 11/04/2014 06:00 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


Thanks for the time machine. I was very influenced by bands like CCR 
("Fortunate Son"), The Who, and Jefferson Airplane/Starship 
("Volunteers"), by their uncompromising voice for change. Some bands 
only had a single or an album that made it big (ex: "White Bird"), 
but all of it was fresh and new, and there was a lot to choose from.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

The link to the Laurel Canyon site is interesting and brought back 
many memories.  However I wouldn't call Laural Canyon the birth of 
the Hippie Movement.  There beatniks before that and of course 
bohemians WAY before that even.


Tim Leary never mentioned drugs during his at the event my band 
opened.  He talked about enlightenment and ways (other than drugs) of 
achieving it.


Music always pushes the edge, many of the rock musicians in the 60s 
bands had jazz backgrounds so we put a little jazz into the music, as 
much as we could get away with.  Thus it had a very ethereal sound.  
Record companies looked for bands who were a little ahead of the time.


As for the protest songs they were what the record companies would 
let them get away with.  "For What It's Worth" like the blog writer 
points out was about a clash with the police over a popular coffee house.


A lot of the rock musicians were around 2-4 years older than myself 
and indeed some had done a stint in the military.  But other than 
getting to see the world a little it had little impact on their 
music. Of course a lot of my fellow musicians were sons and daughters 
of dads who had served in WWII.


And some knew "people in high places" which kept them from getting 
busted with drugs by getting tipped when they were "hot". ;-)


On 11/04/2014 12:36 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:



On 11/4/2014 1:22 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@...
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>

Back in the late 1960s during the "psychedelic era" there were
all kinds of crooks trying to pull mind control on folks

>
We always suspected this and my theory is that the hippie
movement was infiltrated by outside agents in a mass effort to
program  the whole hippie community into falling down into a
rabbit hole of confusion and ribaldry so as to self-destruct.

First they sent out informants like Tim Leary to try and talk us
into taking psychedelic substances so as to alter our
consciousness. Then, they sent in the rock singers to get us
into a trance state with loud rhythm music and liberal lyrics.

So, with the hippies all stoned out and getting programmed by
the rock music, they became like robots controlled through
suggestion and brain-washing. I mean, have you actually read the
lyrics of some of those 60's protest songs?/

"There is something happening here. What it is ain’t exactly
clear. There's a man with a gun over there." - Stephen Stills
//
/It is interesting that many of the late sixties rock singers
were military brats and all connected to the U.S. military. In
some cases, the rock singers were previously actually in the
U.S. Military.

For example, Jim Morrison's father was a U.S. Navy admiral in
Vietnam and Frank Zappa was a former Air Force Airman. This list
of these military brats goes on and on. Go figure.

*The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon & Birth of
the Hippie Generation*
http://tinyurl.com/klpfdtv

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moments Of Wonder. with Philomena Cunk

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q
 
Crime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY
 
Evolution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc

Computers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak

Money:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8



  
   Hilarious, how does she keep a straight face!
 

 

  
 She seems to be a comedian:  Diane Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The interviews are priceless, you can tell they didn't know they were being set 
up.
 

 The "money" episode with Will Hutton is marvellous, he doesn't know what 
approach to take, probably wasn't expecting someone quite so dumb, usually he 
appears on the any flagship news programme that needs a heavyweight economist.
 

  
  
  
  
  
  
 Diane Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Morgan Diane Morgan is an English actress, 
comedian and writer. Originally from Bolton, Greater Manchester, she studied at 
East 15 Acting School before playing Dawn in Peter Kay's Phoenix Nights.[1] As 
a stand up comedian she has been placed second in the Hackney Empire New Act of 
the...


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moments Of Wonder. with Philomena Cunk

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q

Crime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY

Evolution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc

Computers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak

Money:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8



 
 Hilarious, how does she keep a straight face!


 
She seems to be a comedian:  Diane Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




  
  
Diane Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Diane Morgan is an English actress, comedian and writer. Originally from 
Bolton, Greater Manchester, she studied at East 15 Acting School before playing 
Dawn in Peter Kay's Phoenix Nights.[1] As a stand up comedian she has been 
placed second in the Hackney Empire New Act of the...  
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[FairfieldLife] One for the real science nerds here (as opposed to faux science nerds)

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Science the way it should have been presented to all of us when we were growing 
up, so we'd have developed more of a feeling for what it really was...

Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | IFLScience

  
 
Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | I...
You probably know that two objects dropped in a vacuum fall at the same rate, 
no matter the mass of each item. If you’ve never seen a demonstration of this, 
then yo...  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Moments Of Wonder. with Philomena Cunk

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q
 
Crime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY
 
Evolution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc

Computers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak

Money:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8



  
   Hilarious, how does she keep a straight face!
 

 

  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

As Gertrude Stein said, "...there is no there, there."
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, O wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "I'd choose to move forward.  In my cosmology, you've got to.  The lessons do 
not go away." 

 I like this Steve. I have never seen such a waste of life as people trying to 
duck personal responsibility, and consequences. A few here have unfortunately 
made it their life's work.
 

 I have successfully passed by every single post of bawee's today. I think this 
is an excellent step in the right direction. I plan to continue this course of 
action for the foreseeable future. I haven't bothered to make any special 
folder for him since I read this off the website anyway and I wouldn't bother 
to take the time anyway.

 



 


 




















 


 

[FairfieldLife] Moments Of Wonder. with Philomena Cunk

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q

Crime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY

Evolution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc

Computers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak

Money:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8

Re: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/5/2014 12:11 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
>
From this day forth, fuck you.  I will not purposefully abide having 
in my mind any of the production of the sick fucks still HAUNTING this 
group.

>
/"It's all about the economy, stupid." - /Bill Clinton

[FairfieldLife] The first philosopher...

[salyavin808]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/05/2014 11:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Why don't you ask Pagels if he has a degree in physics? Just because 
you want there to be a correlation between quantum physics and 
meditation ain't gone make it so.


"certainly could be coded in Indian science" - this is a horseshit 
observation. Prove it and then Pagels will have to eat his words.




This is the narcissism of believing that our current civilization is the 
most advanced that EVER existed on this planet. That can't be correlated 
because real scientists have figured that after 5000 year much evidence 
of a civilization would have deteriorated.  All you get is stone masonry 
and broken pottery.


You are also misreading the post. Pagels says nothing about ayurveda - 
the author merely referred to Chopra as a defender of ayurveda. Pagels 
is specifically addressing the idea that modern physics is found in 
ancient Hindu claptrap and that the claptrap is validated by modern 
physics.




You don't even read the stuff you post?

/However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum 
Physics as the Language of Nature 
 
vehemently rejects the notion that there is any significant connection 
between the discoveries of modern physicists and the metaphysical claims 
of Ayurveda. "No qualified physicist that I know would claim to find 
such a connection without knowingly committing fraud," says Dr. Pagels.

/
//





*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:26 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics

Do you have a physics degree, Michael?  A bit of what is in physics 
goes back centuries to Greece and other countries like China and yup 
probably India as well.  It's just observation and certainly could be 
coded in Indian science.  Pagels must not know biochemistry or just 
thought that ayurveda uses exotic herbs he didn't have access too.  
Examining the chemical properties of cinnamon, ginger, fennel, cloves 
he might have had a different opinion.



On 11/05/2014 11:02 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
The notion that ancient Hindu mysticism is just quantum physics 
wrapped in metaphysical garb seems to have originated with Fritjof 
Capra in his book /The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the 
Parallels Between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism/ (1975).


The book's first two parts are excellent expositions on ancient 
religions and modern physics. The third part, which tries to connect 
the two is an abysmal failure and about the purest poppycock this 
side of Bombay.


Nevertheless, it has been this third part which has influenced 
numerous New Age energy medicine advocates to claim that quantum 
physics proves the reality of everything from chi and prana to ESP 
.


The idea that there is such a connection is denied by most physicists 
but books like Capra's and Gary Zukav's /The Dancing Wu Li Masters : 
An Overview of the New Physics /(1976) overshadow and are much more 
popular than more sensible books written by physicists.


Chopra and other defenders of Ayurveda, following Capra and Zukav, 
are fond of claiming that modern physics has substantially validated 
ancient Hindu metaphysics.


However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of /The Cosmic Code: 
Quantum Physics as the Language of Nature 
/ 
vehemently rejects the notion that there is any significant 
connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the 
metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. "No qualified physicist that I know 
would claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing 
fraud," says Dr. Pagels.


The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do
with the "field of consciousness" is false. The notion that what
physicists call "the vacuum state" has anything to do with
consciousness is nonsense. The claim that large numbers of people
meditating helps reduce crime and war by creating a unified field
of consciousness is foolishness of a high order.

The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and
apparently supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure
consciousness can only be intended to deceive those who might not
know any better.

Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me
distress because I am a man who values the truth. To see the
beautiful and profound ideas of modern physics, the labor of
generations of scientists, so willfully perverted provokes a
feeling of compassion for those who might be taken in by these
distortions. I would like to be generous to the Maharishi an

Re: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Remember the rabbit and 'Life In Hell' comics?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Didn't vote Republican didn't vote Democrat either.  Mine was a protest vote 
against the end of Democracy because in California all you could vote for were 
the two top winners of the primary.  I guess third parties are just too much 
hassle for the pinheads that run the elections.  But Jerry Brown is still in 
business and I haven't checked but I still probably have a Democrat (though he 
used to be a Republican) as Congressman.
 
 Edg, most Democrats have become "Republican Lite" so why vote for them either? 
 BTW, I only voted Republican once in my life and that was for Dan Evans, a 
very liberal Washington state governor and later Senator.  Without him there 
would probably be no "Simpsons" as Matt Groenig attended his pet project 
Evergreen College, a state run liberal arts college.  Matt was penning cartoons 
for the Seattle alternative press in the 1970s.
 
 Time for Revolution 2.0 but the pondscum just will float around so that'll 
never happen.
 
 
 On 11/04/2014 10:11 PM, Duveyoung wrote:
 
   If you voted Republican, you're a supporter of evil.
 
 "Evil" -- "harming the masses to make a profit."
 
 From this day forth, fuck you.  I will not acknowledge you here -- you're a 
dead soul -- why would I talk to your zombie shell still breathing in the space 
in which once your innocence resided?
 
 As this Age grinds on, I may be bludgeoned along with the rest of ya, but at 
least I'll be able to laugh as you go down with the ship, America, as it's 
scuttled for the insurance money (I mean, "credit default swaps.")  the 
look on your face would be priceless, but I can see it "enough" in my 
imaginarium.  
 
 Maybe I will drown before you, but at least I'll know that water's icy 
body-slam will have your teeth chatter-shatter-cracking against themselves as 
your last thoughts are that "you could have done something other than lead a 
life of such immense harm to so many."
 
 I will not purposefully abide having in my mind any of the production of the 
sick fucks still HAUNTING this group.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

/You sound like somebody that got kicked out of the movement and
now you're upset and want to take your anger out on spiritual and
religious groups online. Go figure./

Ricky, I am finally getting the knack of how you roll (well, in
the last three months I have) and you will outlast everyone here
and not even end up breathing hard or elevating your heart rate. I
gotta give you credit. You are a sly one and laughing as you go.
Good for you. I love a person who knows how to play and to do so
without malice.

Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the
same old crap because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do
that, he doesn't even make sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie.
I feel sorry for him. Imagine not knowing what non-sequitur means!
Imagine thinking that writing big words you don't understand and
copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine
spending all day trolling people!

So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like
wasting time too. Go figure.


>
On 11/5/2014 8:34 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>


Funny how perception is different for different people. You dig
bawee and I think Richard is having the time of his life. Don't
underestimate what he's thinking and doing here, not that it will
lead to anything beyond entertainment at FFL. bawee takes himself
very seriously but Ricky does not, that is a big difference right
there.


>
/They seem really serious about this discussion group. Which is 
probably  good thing. Some people do feel better when they have someone 
to talk to. We may be the only people they still know that would be 
willing to discuss their spiritual path with any amount of sympathy or 
understanding.


This may be the voice they always wanted when they were working for 
their spiritual group, so it seems harmless enough, if it helps them 
with their cognitive dissonance.


You need to take into consideration, Ann, that they both were kicked out 
of their cult - this has apparently had a very negative and profound 
effect on them. Maybe they still don't realize that it was not a good 
thing to be so deep into the cult thing for so long. It's a really good 
thing they got kicked out, but probably very painful on the ego.


The important thing is that they've first got to admit they have a 
problem due to their prolonged indoctrination. Admitting they have a 
problem is the very first step any cult exit counselor would advise them. //


Let's hope they both get straightened out!/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Why don't you ask Pagels if he has a degree in physics? Just because you want 
there to be a correlation between quantum physics and meditation ain't gone 
make it so.

"certainly could be coded in Indian science" - this is a horseshit observation. 
Prove it and then Pagels will have to eat his words.

You are also misreading the post. Pagels says nothing about ayurveda - the 
author merely referred to Chopra as a defender of ayurveda. Pagels is 
specifically addressing the idea that modern physics is found in ancient Hindu 
claptrap and that the claptrap is validated by modern physics. 




 From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics
 


  
Do you have a physics degree, Michael?  A bit of what is in physics goes back 
centuries to Greece and other countries like China and yup probably India as 
well.  It's just observation and certainly could be coded in Indian science.  
Pagels must not know biochemistry or just thought that ayurveda uses exotic 
herbs he didn't have access too.  Examining the chemical properties of 
cinnamon, ginger, fennel, cloves he might have had a different opinion.


On 11/05/2014 11:02 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

  
>The notion that ancient Hindu mysticism is just quantum physics wrapped in 
>metaphysical garb seems to have originated with Fritjof Capra in his book The 
>Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and 
>Eastern Mysticism (1975). 
>
>
>
>The book's first two parts are excellent expositions on ancient religions and 
>modern physics. The third part, which tries to connect the two is an abysmal 
>failure and about the purest poppycock this side of Bombay. 
>
>
>
>Nevertheless, it has been this third part which has influenced numerous New 
>Age energy medicine advocates to claim that quantum physics proves the reality 
>of everything from chi and prana to ESP. 
>
>
>
>The idea that there is such a connection is denied by most physicists but 
>books like Capra's and Gary Zukav's The Dancing Wu Li Masters : An Overview of 
>the New Physics (1976) overshadow and are much more popular than more sensible 
>books written by physicists.  
>
>
>Chopra and other defenders of Ayurveda, following Capra and Zukav, are fond of 
>claiming that modern physics has substantially validated ancient Hindu 
>metaphysics. 
>
>
>
>However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum Physics 
>as the Language of Nature vehemently rejects the notion that there is any 
>significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the 
>metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. "No qualified physicist that I know would 
>claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud," says Dr. 
>Pagels. 
>
>
>
>The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do with the 
>"field of consciousness" is false. The notion that what physicists call "the 
>vacuum state" has anything to do with consciousness is nonsense. The claim 
>that large numbers of people meditating helps reduce crime and war by creating 
>a unified field of consciousness is foolishness of a high order. 
>>
>>
>>
>>The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and apparently 
>>supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure consciousness can only 
>>be intended to deceive those who might not know any better.
>>
>>
>>Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me distress 
>>because I am a man who values the truth. To see the beautiful and profound 
>>ideas of modern physics, the labor of generations of scientists, so willfully 
>>perverted provokes a feeling of compassion for those who might be taken in by 
>>these distortions. I would like to be generous to the Maharishi and his 
>>movement because it supports world peace and other high ideals. But none of 
>>these ideals could possibly be realized within the framework of a philosophy 
>>that so willfully distorts scientific truth (Pagels).
>
>
>From:
>
>http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html 
>  
> 
>Deepak Chopra - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com 
>From Abracadabra to Zombies | View All a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r  
>
> 
>View on www.skepdic.com Preview by Yahoo 
>
> 
>  
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

OTOH, California DID vote in prop 47 which reduces drug possession 
penalties from felonies to misdemeanors. That'll piss the prison 
industrial complex and the prison guards union off.  But that is a 
non-partisan issue as many conservatives saw such incarceration as a 
waste of tax dollars too.


BUT, Californians fell for the propaganda from the health insurance 
industry and didn't pass prop 45 which would have allowed the state 
insurance commissioner to regulate health insurance increases.  Bend 
over dummies.


Locally it looks like we've got an IT on the city council.  Needed him 
there about 10 years ago where he could have proposed municipal fiber 
instead of the usual suspects we have now.


More and more the US is being run by the folks who wipe our butts daily: 
Georgia Pacific.  Funny thing is they like Rand Paul who is kinda the 
Bernie Sanders of the Republicans (they'd even co-sponsored bills).


Of course it looks like DC passed pot legalization so our Congress will 
be getting quite high.


On 11/05/2014 09:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red

Yup, Democracy in the US is an illusion.  It's all a show run by the 
big corporations.  Fascism is alive and well.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Do you have a physics degree, Michael? A bit of what is in physics goes 
back centuries to Greece and other countries like China and yup probably 
India as well.  It's just observation and certainly could be coded in 
Indian science. Pagels must not know biochemistry or just thought that 
ayurveda uses exotic herbs he didn't have access too.  Examining the 
chemical properties of cinnamon, ginger, fennel, cloves he might have 
had a different opinion.



On 11/05/2014 11:02 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
The notion that ancient Hindu mysticism is just quantum physics 
wrapped in metaphysical garb seems to have originated with Fritjof 
Capra in his book /The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels 
Between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism/ (1975).


The book's first two parts are excellent expositions on ancient 
religions and modern physics. The third part, which tries to connect 
the two is an abysmal failure and about the purest poppycock this side 
of Bombay.


Nevertheless, it has been this third part which has influenced 
numerous New Age energy medicine advocates to claim that quantum 
physics proves the reality of everything from chi and prana to ESP 
.


The idea that there is such a connection is denied by most physicists 
but books like Capra's and Gary Zukav's /The Dancing Wu Li Masters : 
An Overview of the New Physics /(1976) overshadow and are much more 
popular than more sensible books written by physicists.


Chopra and other defenders of Ayurveda, following Capra and Zukav, are 
fond of claiming that modern physics has substantially validated 
ancient Hindu metaphysics.


However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of /The Cosmic Code: 
Quantum Physics as the Language of Nature 
/ vehemently 
rejects the notion that there is any significant connection between 
the discoveries of modern physicists and the metaphysical claims of 
Ayurveda. "No qualified physicist that I know would claim to find such 
a connection without knowingly committing fraud," says Dr. Pagels.


The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do
with the "field of consciousness" is false. The notion that what
physicists call "the vacuum state" has anything to do with
consciousness is nonsense. The claim that large numbers of people
meditating helps reduce crime and war by creating a unified field
of consciousness is foolishness of a high order.

The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and
apparently supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure
consciousness can only be intended to deceive those who might not
know any better.

Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me
distress because I am a man who values the truth. To see the
beautiful and profound ideas of modern physics, the labor of
generations of scientists, so willfully perverted provokes a
feeling of compassion for those who might be taken in by these
distortions. I would like to be generous to the Maharishi and his
movement because it supports world peace and other high ideals.
But none of these ideals could possibly be realized within the
framework of a philosophy that so willfully distorts scientific
truth (Pagels

).


From:
http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html

image 





Deepak Chopra - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com 

From Abracadabra to Zombies | View All a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p 
q r


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[FairfieldLife] Charlie's Veracity

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I sent Edg's post about Charlie's assertion on UFO's etc to a buddy who was a 
real Charlie fan - he saw him a bunch of times - here is his take on Charlie:

"I think Charlie channeled a lot of his information which wasn't always 
reliable.  I never heard Charlie at a lecture refer to UFO's, but 
someone told me that he once said Maharishi got on a space ship, was 
gone for a while and then returned.  


Charlie would also go and listen to his old teacher Manley P. Hall every Sunday 
at the Philosophical Association in Los Fleiz, California.  


I don't 
believe that Charlie deliberately lied.  His sources weren't always 
reliable though.  He once said that the world would experience three 
days of darkness.  That never happened.  We (MIU people) confronted him 
about it in Iowa City.  He said he was only reporting what he was told, 
but he never explained "who' told him."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Cool Photos

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Like
  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cool Photos
   
     One of my favorite themes when traveling is to search out these kinds of 
places -- former "civilizations" that have fallen and have been reabsorbed by 
nature. I've walked the full length of the abandoned railway in Paris that 
appears in a couple of the photos.

21 Photos Of Nature Winning The Battle Against Civilization


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[FairfieldLife] Pagel's Letter

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Pagels Letter 
THE NEW YORK ACADEMY OF SCIENCES 
letterhead, Heinz R. Pagels, Ph.D., Executive Director
July 1,1986 
Robert Kropinski
P.O. Box 27352
Philadelphia, PA 19150


Dear Mr. Kropinski:

My comments here are intended to serve as an affidavit in the civil
action No. 85-2849, United States District Court for the District of
Columbia. They may not be used or published for any other purpose
without my written permission. 

My summary opinion, as a theoretical physicist specializing in the
area of quantum field theory, is that the views expressed in the literature
issued by the Maharishi International University, and appearing in the
"World Government News" and other publications associated with the
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi that purport to find a connection between the
recent ideas of theoretical physics--unified field theory, the vacuum state
and collective phenomena--and states of consciousness attained by
transcendental meditation are false and profoundly misleading. No
qualified physicist that I know would claim to find such a connection
without knowingly committing fraud.

While I am not an expert on the
meditation techniques advocated by the Maharishi I have experienced and
studied meditation methods in the Buddhist and Hindu traditions. There is
no known connection between meditation states and states of matter in
physics. 

Individuals not trained professionally in modern physics could easily
come to believe, on the basis of the presentations in the Maharishi
literature, that a large number of qualified scientists agree with the
purported connection between modern physics and meditation methods.
Nothing could be further from the truth. 

What was especially interesting to me, in reviewing this literature, is
the claim put forth by the Maharishi and his followers, that transcendental
meditation and "The Science of Creative Intelligence" qualify as science. 


Although the word "science" is much abused, it continues to imply an
adherent to logic, the clear presentation of assumptions and deductions,
and the experimental method. Most importantly, any science necessarily
contains a recipe for its own falsification. None of these central features
of the Western concept of science are present in "The Science of Creative
Intelligence." This is not science. 

Many of the ideas of modern physics written about by Dr. Lawrence
H. Domash in "The Physics of Unity" (World Government News, Oct.,
1978) are correctly presented. But Dr. Domash goes on in his article to
interpolate these ideas as a vindication of transcendental meditation and
"the unity of consciousness." 


The claim that the fields of modern physics
have anything to do with the "field of consciousness" is false. The notion
that what physicists call "the vacuum state" has anything to do with
consciousness is nonsense. 


The claim that large numbers of people
meditating helps reduce crime and war by creating a unified field of
consciousness is foolishness of a high order. The presentation of the ideas
of modern physics side by side, and apparently supportive of, the ideas of
the Maharishi about pure consciousness can only be intended to deceive
those who might not know any better. 

Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me
distress because I am a man who values the truth. To see the beautiful and
profound ideas of modern physics, the labor of generations of scientists,
so willfully perverted provokes a feeling of compassion for those who
might be taken in by these distortions. 


I would like to be generous to the
Maharishi and his movement because it supports world peace and other
high ideals. But none of these ideals could possibly be realized within the
framework of a philosophy that so willfully distorts scientific truth. 

Sincerely yours, 
[signed] 
Heinz R. Pagels, Ph.D.
Executive Director 

[FairfieldLife] The Buddha answers to the Deva

[jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

  The Buddha answers to the Deva

On a certain day when the Buddha dwelt at 
Jetavana, the garden of Anathapindika,
a celestial deva came to him in the shape 
of a Brahman enlightened and wearing clothing 
as white as snow.

The deva asked,

What is the sharpest sword?
What is the deadliest poison?
What is the fiercest fire?
What is the darkest night?"

The Buddha replied,

The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;
the deadliest poison is covetousness;
the fiercest fire is hatred;
the darkest night is ignorance.

The deva said,

What is the greatest gain?
What is the greatest loss?
Which armour is invulnerable?
What is the best weapon?

The Buddha replied,

The greatest gain is to give to others;
the greatest loss is to greedily receive without gratitude;
an invulnerable armor is patience;
the best weapon is wisdom.

The deva said,

Who is the most dangerous thief?
What is the most precious treasure?
Who can capture the heavens and the earth?
Where is the securest treasure-trove?

The Buddha replied,

The most dangerous thief is unwholesome thought;
the most precious treasure is virtue;
the heavens and the earth may be captured by the mind's eye;
surpassing rebirth locates the securest treasure-trove.

The deva asked,

What is attraction?
What is repulsion?
What is the most horrible pain?
What is the greatest enjoyment?

The Buddha replied,

Attraction is wholeness;
repulsion is unwholesomeness;
the most tormenting pain is bad conscience;
the height of bliss is redeemed awakening.

The deva asked,

What causes ruin in the world?
What breaks off friendships?
What is the most violent fever?
Who is the best physician?"

The Buddha replied,

Ruin in the world is caused by ignorance;
friendships are broken off by envy and selfishness;
the most violent fever is hatred;
the best physician is the enlightened one;

The deva continued,

Now I have only one doubt to resolve and absolve:
What is it fire cannot burn,
nor moisture corrode,
nor wind crush down,
but is able to enlighten the whole world.

The Buddha replied,

Blessing!
Neither fire, nor moisture, nor wind
can destroy the blessing of good deeds,
and blessings enlighten the whole world.

Hearing these answers,

the deva was overflowing with joy.
Then clasping hands, bowed down in respect and
disappeared suddenly from the presence of the Buddha. 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The notion that ancient Hindu mysticism is just quantum physics wrapped in 
metaphysical garb seems to have originated with Fritjof Capra in his book The 
Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and 
Eastern Mysticism (1975). 


The book's first two parts are excellent expositions on ancient religions and 
modern physics. The third part, which tries to connect the two is an abysmal 
failure and about the purest poppycock this side of Bombay. 


Nevertheless, it has been this third part which has influenced numerous New Age 
energy medicine advocates to claim that quantum physics proves the reality of 
everything from chi and prana to ESP. 


The idea that there is such a connection is denied by most physicists but books 
like Capra's and Gary Zukav's The Dancing Wu Li Masters : An Overview of the 
New Physics (1976) overshadow and are much more popular than more sensible 
books written by physicists.  

Chopra and other defenders of Ayurveda, following Capra and Zukav, are fond of 
claiming that modern physics has substantially validated ancient Hindu 
metaphysics. 


However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum Physics 
as the Language of Nature vehemently rejects the notion that there is any 
significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the 
metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. "No qualified physicist that I know would 
claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud," says Dr. 
Pagels. 


The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do with the "field 
of consciousness" is false. The notion that what physicists call "the vacuum 
state" has anything to do with consciousness is nonsense. The claim that large 
numbers of people meditating helps reduce crime and war by creating a unified 
field of consciousness is foolishness of a high order. 
>
>
>
>The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and apparently 
>supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure consciousness can only be 
>intended to deceive those who might not know any better.
>
>
>Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me distress because 
>I am a man who values the truth. To see the beautiful and profound ideas of 
>modern physics, the labor of generations of scientists, so willfully perverted 
>provokes a feeling of compassion for those who might be taken in by these 
>distortions. I would like to be generous to the Maharishi and his movement 
>because it supports world peace and other high ideals. But none of these 
>ideals could possibly be realized within the framework of a philosophy that so 
>willfully distorts scientific truth (Pagels).

From:

http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html 
  
 
Deepak Chopra - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
>From Abracadabra to Zombies | View All a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r   
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[FairfieldLife] Yogic Flying, was Straigtening Sal Out

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/5/2014 4:11 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
TMers who still believe that there is such a thing as the Maharishi 
Effect decades after it was pretty much definitively proven that it 
didn't exist. 

>
/There must have been a similar experience when 200 hippies got together 
in the desert to mediate and get high with Rama. People that live in 
L.A. don't usually spend hours driving in their car out into the desert 
in the middle of the night for nothing./ //Was it just to witness him 
slowly lift up off of a sofa and fly around awhile?


It kind of sounds like yogic flying/./
>
In their minds *as TBs*, the way that they prove their faith and "win" 
is to hang in there with untenable beliefs the longest. So they apply 
this same brainwashed model to debating non-believers: "

>
/Nobody is asking you to defend your beliefs, Barry, we just want to 
know what would motivate someone like you to meet with Rama at Denny's 
in downtown L.A.? I've been down there a time or two and Skid Row isn't 
the usual type of place to hold a spiritual group meditation. Maybe you 
were trying to raise the vibes down there?


It kind sounds like the ME. //
/>

If I can just 'outlast" this heretic, I'll have 'won' and proved my 
beliefs superior to his." 

>
/No doubt, but you are younger than I am. You got a head start on me - 
your first post to newsgroups was back in 1995; my first post was 1999. 
I've got a lot of catching up to do reading all your cogent comments 
about Rama. Thanks./

[FairfieldLife] Mindless Zombies, was Straigtening Sal Out

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

/You sound like somebody that got kicked out of the movement and
now you're upset and want to take your anger out on spiritual and
religious groups online. Go figure./

Ricky, I am finally getting the knack of how you roll (well, in
the last three months I have) and you will outlast everyone here
and not even end up breathing hard or elevating your heart rate. I
gotta give you credit. You are a sly one and laughing as you go.
Good for you. I love a person who knows how to play and to do so
without malice.


>
On 11/5/2014 1:31 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
>


He's a brainwashed cult zombie. 


>
/Non sequitur.

So, you spent a decade inside a cult, watching videos of the Maharishi 
on TV and trying to learn how to fly, but I'm the "brainwashed zombie" 
because I learned basic meditation? Go figure./

[FairfieldLife] Cool Photos

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

One of my favorite themes when traveling is to search out these kinds of places 
-- former "civilizations" that have fallen and have been reabsorbed by nature. 
I've walked the full length of the abandoned railway in Paris that appears in a 
couple of the photos.


21 Photos Of Nature Winning The Battle Against Civilization


  
 
21 Photos Of Nature Winning The Battle Against Civilizat...
See what happens when plants overtake an entire city... winning the battle 
against civilization one flower petal at a time.  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red
 


  
Yup, Democracy in the US is an illusion.  It's all a show run by the big 
corporations.  Fascism is alive and well.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Too cool -- what a rainbow looks like when you can see all of it

[salyavin808]

 No crock of gold then? That's one mystery less.
 

 Great photo though.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sorry, here's the story behind the photo:  http://bit.ly/1BEkXjZ 
http://bit.ly/1BEkXjZ
 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 6:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Too cool -- what a rainbow looks like when you can 
see all of it
 
 
   
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Too cool -- what a rainbow looks like when you can see all of it

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sorry, here's the story behind the photo:  http://bit.ly/1BEkXjZ



 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife  
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 6:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Too cool -- what a rainbow looks like when you can see 
all of it
 


  




 

[FairfieldLife] Too cool -- what a rainbow looks like when you can see all of it

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re: [FairfieldLife] How to escape the clutches of Kali Yuga

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Don't believe in silly Stone Age superstitions like 'Kali Yuga' in the first 
place?


Did I win? 
What's the prize?

[FairfieldLife] How to escape the clutches of Kali Yuga

[netineti108]

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Mind Control, was 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

A lot of people don't know this but Neil Young is epileptic.  In fact 
when we opened for the Springfield they asked if we could play another 
short set before they came on because he had just had a seizure.


"White Bird" was recorded by "It's a Beautiful Day" and I knew the 
guitar player, Hal, from that group.  Missed out though on hanging out 
at his place when a couple of his friends would come into town to visit: 
John and Yoko.


On 11/04/2014 06:00 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


Thanks for the time machine. I was very influenced by bands like CCR 
("Fortunate Son"), The Who, and Jefferson Airplane/Starship 
("Volunteers"), by their uncompromising voice for change. Some bands 
only had a single or an album that made it big (ex: "White Bird"), but 
all of it was fresh and new, and there was a lot to choose from.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

The link to the Laurel Canyon site is interesting and brought back 
many memories.  However I wouldn't call Laural Canyon the birth of the 
Hippie Movement. There beatniks before that and of course bohemians 
WAY before that even.


Tim Leary never mentioned drugs during his at the event my band 
opened.  He talked about enlightenment and ways (other than drugs) of 
achieving it.


Music always pushes the edge, many of the rock musicians in the 60s 
bands had jazz backgrounds so we put a little jazz into the music, as 
much as we could get away with.  Thus it had a very ethereal sound.  
Record companies looked for bands who were a little ahead of the time.


As for the protest songs they were what the record companies would let 
them get away with.  "For What It's Worth" like the blog writer points 
out was about a clash with the police over a popular coffee house.


A lot of the rock musicians were around 2-4 years older than myself 
and indeed some had done a stint in the military.  But other than 
getting to see the world a little it had little impact on their music. 
Of course a lot of my fellow musicians were sons and daughters of dads 
who had served in WWII.


And some knew "people in high places" which kept them from getting 
busted with drugs by getting tipped when they were "hot". ;-)


On 11/04/2014 12:36 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:



On 11/4/2014 1:22 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
>

Back in the late 1960s during the "psychedelic era" there were
all kinds of crooks trying to pull mind control on folks

>
We always suspected this and my theory is that the hippie
movement was infiltrated by outside agents in a mass effort to
program  the whole hippie community into falling down into a
rabbit hole of confusion and ribaldry so as to self-destruct.

First they sent out informants like Tim Leary to try and talk us
into taking psychedelic substances so as to alter our
consciousness. Then, they sent in the rock singers to get us into
a trance state with loud rhythm music and liberal lyrics.

So, with the hippies all stoned out and getting programmed by the
rock music, they became like robots controlled through suggestion
and brain-washing. I mean, have you actually read the lyrics of
some of those 60's protest songs?/

"There is something happening here. What it is ain’t exactly
clear. There's a man with a gun over there." - Stephen Stills
//
/It is interesting that many of the late sixties rock singers
were military brats and all connected to the U.S. military. In
some cases, the rock singers were previously actually in the U.S.
Military.

For example, Jim Morrison's father was a U.S. Navy admiral in
Vietnam and Frank Zappa was a former Air Force Airman. This list
of these military brats goes on and on. Go figure.

*The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon & Birth of
the Hippie Generation*
http://tinyurl.com/klpfdtv

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Yup, Democracy in the US is an illusion.  It's all a show run by the big 
corporations.  Fascism is alive and well.


On 11/04/2014 08:44 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


It is mostly theater,  as much of the federal budget is already spoken 
for, regardless of the party in "power".



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If 
you want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how 
it feels to be a castrated hog.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Didn't vote Republican didn't vote Democrat either.  Mine was a protest 
vote against the end of Democracy because in California all you could 
vote for were the two top winners of the primary.  I guess third parties 
are just too much hassle for the pinheads that run the elections.  But 
Jerry Brown is still in business and I haven't checked but I still 
probably have a Democrat (though he used to be a Republican) as Congressman.


Edg, most Democrats have become "Republican Lite" so why vote for them 
either?  BTW, I only voted Republican once in my life and that was for 
Dan Evans, a very liberal Washington state governor and later Senator.  
Without him there would probably be no "Simpsons" as Matt Groenig 
attended his pet project Evergreen College, a state run liberal arts 
college.  Matt was penning cartoons for the Seattle alternative press in 
the 1970s.


Time for Revolution 2.0 but the pondscum just will float around so 
that'll never happen.



On 11/04/2014 10:11 PM, Duveyoung wrote:


If you voted Republican, you're a supporter of evil.

"Evil" -- "harming the masses to make a profit."

From this day forth, fuck you.  I will not acknowledge you here -- 
you're a dead soul -- why would I talk to your zombie shell still 
breathing in the space in which once your innocence resided?


As this Age grinds on, I may be bludgeoned along with the rest of ya, 
but at least I'll be able to laugh as you go down with the ship, 
America, as it's scuttled for the insurance money (I mean, "credit 
default swaps.")  the look on your face would be priceless, but I can 
see it "enough" in my imaginarium.


Maybe I will drown before you, but at least I'll know that water's icy 
body-slam will have your teeth chatter-shatter-cracking against 
themselves as your last thoughts are that "you could have done 
something other than lead a life of such immense harm to so many."


I will not purposefully abide having in my mind any of the production 
of the sick fucks still HAUNTING this group.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Energy Technology

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/05/2014 01:57 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

*From:* salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

These can be found in the messages from the crop circles.  This new 
technology would more likely be suppressed by the energy companies and 
the military-industrial complex.


Youtube is the opium of the masses. A plot by the New World Order to 
keep everyone in a state of complete mentally distracted ignorance. 
Probably a billion videos about that too


And there really isn't anyone who is suckin' on that opium pipe more 
than JohnR. It's actually worse than Richard Williams, who seems to 
believe that "It's true if I found it on Wikipedia." JohnR thinks 
"It's true if I found it on YouTube."





I think John is just having fun pushing you two's buttons. :-D

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

[jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

---  wrote :

It's wrong, ain't it sal, just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion 
contrary to your own. 

 maybe you need to circulate more.
 

 Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel 
universe with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely 
related to what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying 
any old rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time 
of anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets 
out of it is anyone's guess.  
 

 If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it 
but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him 
wasting his time. I don't give a damn.
 


"There is no democracy in physics.  We can't say that some 
second-rate guy has as much right to opinion as Fermi."”
~Luis Walter Alvarez

"Whoever is careless with truth in small matters cannot be 
trusted in important affairs."
~ Albert Einstein

By the way, I remember talking to you more than 8 years ago. 
But, I am not sure that was it's on this forum or another 
forum.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: He Came Out Of The Himalayas

[wgm4u]

I didn't know Maharishi recommended being Gay! Are you sure...?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: He Came Out Of The Himalayas

[nablusoss1008]

Nice !
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Mahesh Yogi
 
 The third of four children, Mahesh Prasad Varma, now revered by his followers 
as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, was born into a rather well-off family. The exact 
date of his birth is not known. January 12, 1917 is the one given by his uncle 
Raj Varma, other dates are October 18, 1911; January 12, 1918; and October 18, 
1918.
 
 He showed a natural disposition towards the sciences, and as he grew up he 
graduated from Allahabad University. "I was completely dissatisfied with what I 
studied in college. Because I knew - this can't be the whole knowledge. I was 
searching for something complete whereby I could understand everything." For a 
while he worked at a local factory, but his restless spirit bade him to become 
a disciple to the Shankaracharaya. And with this he renounced the world, took 
the vows of celibacy, and began to call himself Bal Brahmachari Mahesh.
 
 
 
 
 
 Mahesh Yogi 1964
 
 "MY system of meditation is a golden link to connect and harmonize materialism 
and spirituality. It is a direct process to integrate man's life on earth." 
Thus spake Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the man who took spiritualism to the masses 
and packaged TM or transcendental meditation in a more easy-to-understand form.
 
 The Maharishi traveled all over India and met many great men He told his 
listeners that life was short, and so there was no point in being miserable. 
"Then why waste time in helplessness and suffer any agony in life? Why suffer 
when you can enjoy? Why be miserable when you can be happy? Now, let the days 
of misery and peacelessness be over and let their operation become tales of the 
past. Allow not the past history of agony to be continued in the present. Be 
happy and gay."
 
 He held, in the late fifties, a Seminar of Spiritual Luminaries in Mylapore 
with a view to finding out a practical formula of spiritual regeneration of the 
world.
 
 The Maharishi's goal now was to make the whole world spiritual, and to do that 
he would have to spread his message quickly and effectively, but he realized 
that the rate at which he was going, it would take at least 200 years to 
achieve that goal. "Then I thought: I must go to the most advanced country, 
because I thought — the country is most advanced because the people of that 
country would try something new very readily." Once his message was accepted 
there, it would be easy enough to spread it to the rest of the world.
 
 His book Science of Being and Art of Living was published in 1963. It was the 
summation of both the practical wisdom of the ancient Indian texts and the 
latest scientific knowledge of the West.
 
 Source:
 
 The Spectrum - Great Minds
 Tribune News Service
 http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/2416/spectrum/main2.htm 
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/2416/spectrum/main2.htm
 
 
 >
 
   
 The Maharishi's World - A modern worldwide movement spanning 80 countries.
 
 
 
 Maharishi in Vlodrop, NE
 
 This is the world of the modern Maharishi. Satellite dishes and a 24-hour 
channel, exclusive mind-body centres set in the most beautiful acreage in 
Europe, mansions and castles where the rich and famous pay daunting sums of 
money to heal their souls. 
 
 Hemant Kumar took a tour of  the Maharishi's empire and found a fantasy land, 
where opulence and luxury meet Vedic mantras and Vastu.
 
 It's the biggest wooden house in netherlands. not a single metal pin or nail 
has been driven into the seasoned cedar. Finnish artisans handcrafted wooden 
pins and rivets to take the place of metallic nails and screws. Famous German 
architect Ike Hartman pored over reams of original Vastu inscribed in Sthapatya 
Ved, to design the house. 
 
 A generous coat of neem oil protects the wood from termite. When the cedar 
catches the late evening sun, its golden paint simply ignites. And the house 
glows--like a gigantic ladle overflowing with molten gold. And then, as the sun 
goes down, up goes the quartet of fountains on the sprawling lawns across the 
building. Transfixed, I watch the spectacle unfold like a giant slide show.
 
 The place is Vlodrop (pronounced Flow-Drop), some 300 km south of Amsterdam. 
This is where the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi lives and from where he presides over 
his vast empire girdling the globe and growing ever larger. It's so quiet here 
you can hear yourself think. I enter the main building and a long, scented 
corridor lined with slippers. 
 
 And yet, not a sound. I raise a questioning eyebrow at Atilla, the young 
Austrian driver who picked me up at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport. Fingers on 
his lips, he points out my room to me. I unlatch the door, and with a whispered 
''TM time, I must rush too'', Atilla disappears down the hallway. 
 
 My room would put any five-star hotel suite to shame. It's plush, elegant and 
beautifully decorated. It's part of a huge building, housing more than 500 
people, each of them sitting absolutely still, deep in 
meditati

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "I'd choose to move forward.  In my cosmology, you've got to.  The lessons do 
not go away." 

 I like this Steve. I have never seen such a waste of life as people trying to 
duck personal responsibility, and consequences. A few here have unfortunately 
made it their life's work.
 

 I have successfully passed by every single post of bawee's today. I think this 
is an excellent step in the right direction. I plan to continue this course of 
action for the foreseeable future. I haven't bothered to make any special 
folder for him since I read this off the website anyway and I wouldn't bother 
to take the time anyway.

 



 


 




















 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mechanics of Consciousness

[wgm4u]

True, but a very esoteric teaching that ONLY experience can bear out, certainly 
Turq will never understand it!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red

[wgm4u]

right on MJ-Finally some coherence in the National Consciousness! "Damn 
Democracy, damn democracy"

[FairfieldLife] The Mechanics of Consciousness [1 Attachment]

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

/"But he who knows the truth about the divisions of the gunas and their 
//actions, O mighty armed, knowing that it is the gunas which act upon 
//the gunas, remains unattached." - CBG, V: 27; 1967, p. 220


/The implications of these passages indicate that the nature of the mind 
is appreciated as it is, seperate from activity. The "goal" of TM does 
not consist in achieving anything or reaching anything, but simply in 
recognizing what already is the case, that the "I" is essentially 
uninvolved with activity. Here, the ONLY criterion is internal: the Self 
cognized as independent of action./




MMY and Jerry Jarvis at UC Berkely, 1967
//
/According to Schrodinger ,"Every conscious mind that has ever said or 
felt "I" IS the person who controls the motions of the atoms according 
to the laws of nature."


Free will is a choice, either determined or not. If it is determined, it 
is not free. But if it is determined, to what are we to ascribe it? 
Would a freedom based on mere chance be an alternative to causal 
determinism? The solution to this question is simple: incorporate into 
your model of free will, the mechanics of causal contact itself, contact 
all related forms of information in proper proportion, past, present, 
and future and Being - just Be free. ///


//"The authorship of action does not in reality belong to the "I". It is 
a mistake to understand that "I" do this, "I" experience this and "I" 
know this. All action is performed by the three gunas born of Nature." - 
MMY, V: 14; 1967, p. 259//

//
//
///

Re: [FairfieldLife] Litemint and the Rupee Sutras

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, the elections are over. You can stop running for office. By which I mean, 
you seem just like a politician when you  don't say whether you found it LOL 
worthy or not. 

 

 Usually in conversation a person would say something like: I didn't find that 
funny and I'm curious as to why you did.
 

 Then again, I realize that the only time you get humor is when you're writing 
something nasty but clever attacking turq. 

 

 So, for the humor challenged:
 it was funny to me when empty called himself a Tantrik legend in his own mind
 litement was funny to me
 Rupee Sutra was funny to me
 eppee-tomee was funny to me
 gittin was funny to me

 

 Thank you for this revealing post.
 

 

 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's wrong, ain't it sal, just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion 
contrary to your own. 

 maybe you need to circulate more.
 

 Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel 
universe with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely 
related to what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying 
any old rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time 
of anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets 
out of it is anyone's guess.
 

 If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it 
but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him 
wasting his time. I don't give a damn.
 

 

 Steve doesn't understand the distinction you're making because some months ago 
something happened to him and he began to adopt Willytex's tactics himself. He 
doesn't really ever add anything to any of the discussions he interrupts or 
deal with any of the actual issues that the critics have brought up. Instead, 
he just says something nasty about the critic, hoping 1) to hurt them somehow, 
and 2) to shut them up. 

It was really SAD to see this degeneration of his mind happen here on FFL. 
There was a time when I would have considered him one of the fairly intelligent 
people here. But then something pushed his buttons Big-Time, and he hasn't been 
the same since. If I had to guess what it was, I'd guess that he had a strong, 
largely unconscious reaction to admitted atheists being able to speak here as 
if their ideas were just as valuable as anyone else's. He resented that so much 
that he started his "anti-atheist" diatribes. Now he seems to be able to do 
nothing BUT get his buttons pushed and lash out. Sad. Maybe he should start 
meditating again.  :-)
 

 He has changed hasn't he? I'm glad I'm not imagining that. Becoming a Willytex 
tribute act is a funny choice though. A checking would probably help his anger 
issues.
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Blackmore on NDE's

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 She is obviously telling black lies spawned in the pits of hell to undermine 
the efforts of all legitimately near dead people from fulfilling their missions 
by selling books, cds, seminars and other nostrums to people hungry for 
spiritual solace.
 

 On a more serious note, the NDEs seem to exist for 2 reasons. The first is for 
a few people like Dannion Brinkly to make bucks and get a lot of attention. The 
second is to affirm the existence of God, Jesus, Ascended Masters and so on and 
obviously the existence of life after death. So what do you think happens to a 
person after death Sal, if the NDEs are all just a lot of brain wave activity?

 

 Depends on the circumstances. If we get buried we go kinda green and smelly 
for a bit. If cremated we kinda go smokey for a few seconds.
 

 Oh wait, what happens to consciousness? right! I would have thought it's like 
going under an anaesthetic, one minute you're there and the next you aren't. 
Maybe in certain circumstances you get a groovy little trip like is outlined in 
these stories but these things are neurophysiological in origin and require a 
brain and it's energy system (body) to keep going and therefore won't last 
beyond the brain dying and the body cooling down. Not much of a rallying call 
to be honest and I can see why people prefer their comforting illusions to the 
cold inevitability of realism.
 

 Unless everything we know is a comforting illusion and we all go to heaven or 
somewhere. Or maybe we're already dead and we're in the matrix. Or maybe we're 
giant hunchback toadoids on Zeta Reticuli playing a computer game called 
"Earth". I don't see how anyone could possibly know but I can't see how there 
could possibly be any "us" without a brain for us to be a part of, or where 
this next world might actually be if it existed. If I was a gambling man I'd 
give it very low odds indeed.
 

 So all in all I go for my first option and "we" just cease to exist. Probably 
best to make the most of this life rather than hoping there is a better one 
waiting for us.
 

 

 

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:01 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Blackmore on NDE's
 
 
   The recent study on Near Death Experiences was widely misreported by a 
hopeful media and caused a frenzy in pseudo-science pages on facebook etc.
 

 Susan Blackmore has spent a lifetime studying the paranormal and brain 
functioning and even had an NDE herself, her opinion is obviously worth 
hearing, her bit starts at 10 mins in:
 

 
http://thehumanist.com/multimedia/podcast/the-humanist-hour-122-a-discussion-on-the-psychology-of-the-paranormal-with-dr-susan-blackmore
 
http://thehumanist.com/multimedia/podcast/the-humanist-hour-122-a-discussion-on-the-psychology-of-the-paranormal-with-dr-susan-blackmore

 

[FairfieldLife] Yoga Camp, was 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/4/2014 11:31 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>


One in particular


>
/There is one informant posting to this group who seems to really enjoy 
criticizing our leaders for not doing a good job helping the Maharishi 
spread his meditation message.


I'm convinced that Barry and Curtis and Edg did all they could for the 
movement, and did well considering the circumstances - these are some 
smart guys. So, I don't agree at all that these guys were insincere 
doing the Work. ///


That was their job - who cares if they sucked at it? /That's dedication 
to a cause and a true service to help others. It's not important if they 
became enlightened or not - following the path IS enlightenment. //


But, it must be cognitive dissonance on steroids when they read here 
that they are being accused of lying through their teeth for a couple of 
decades, trying to sell a snake-oil religion for a fake yogi, and that 
they gave all the money to him and his relatives over in India. That's 
highly insulting in my book!

/
/If true, they spent two lost decades out of their life living in a 
trance-induction state.

/
>


continues to rant about it every day, religiously, in fact.


>
/It's all about Barry and Curtis./

/According to one FFL informant, they were compelled to bow down on 
their hands and knees inside a golden dome for hours every day; forced 
to work near slave labor in kitchens and hotels; live in a trailer, pod 
or an office building; not allowed to enjoy sexual contact with anyone 
for years; forced to attend religious indoctrination seminars, but often 
confined to their rooms except for an occasional boat ride; and forced 
to attend yoga camps at obscure locations - and not even allowed to go 
across the street to buy an ice cream cone. It's just outrageous!


//Some people do move on - they go to school, get an education and 
graduate, and then they work and raise a family. Some go on to be happy 
chefs and/or artists or successful business owners.


///Others just seem to remain on the same level all their life, with a 
few interspersed failures, bitter, angry and constantly complaining 
about the choices they made in the distant past. /Go figure.

>
/


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


We seem to have some grumpy old men here who actually believe that 
some of the folks take what they call "woo woo" things very 
seriously.  Actually a number of people are just curious and want to 
see if there's anything to them.



On 11/04/2014 09:16 AM, curtisdeltablues@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:



Share,

Did you ever take Ali Najafee's SET seminars in Fairfield? I know
someone who was there when they were going on and it seemed to
strike a nerve doing exactly what you are talking about. There
were massively popular back in the lat 80's. Since then there
have been oodles of people through FF with this message John
Gray, Barbara De Agangelis...

Although I am a fan of some emotional work, many of these courses
had an assumptive cult vibe about their perspectives also.
Assumptions on parade! That combined with taking advantage of
meditator's imaginatively lively trance states.

But this perspective is in direct conflict with Maharishi's
teaching about these kinds of programs and their value to TM
people. It says tat TM is not a complete self development program
and that was not what Maharishi was teaching or selling. He was
selling a solution to ALL problems and reflected the biases of
his tradition which was "don't fix it, transcend it."

Personally I support whatever you find value in for you.
Conceptually I see this as pretty clear evidence that the TM self
development programs don't so what they claimed to do. This
counter-evidence is being ignored and jeri rigged into a new
system of self development that you guys are creating on your own
in FF. (Not that there is anything wrong with that from outside
the movement.)

Participating in these programs was explicitly discouraged by
Maharishi, I never heard him say anything close to the conclusion
you have drawn for yourself. I have no beef with the
accommodations you have made to  make up for the programs'
falures, good on ya sista! But my interest here is in Maharishi's
teaching and in that context your perspective for what people
need is hampered by an absolutist teaching that promises what it
cannot deliver. We didn't hear the message wrong, the message was
wrong. And it discourages people who could use some other kind of
help from getting it. It enables people with real  mental
problems and when they blow up, the movement turns is back on
them as damaged goods, victimizing the victim with the stigma of
not living up to the unrealistic perfectionist standard in the
movement.

Thanks for promoting conversation from different perspectives
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


It's wrong, ain't it sal,just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion 
contrary to your own.

maybe you need to circulate more.

Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel universe 
with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely related to 
what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying any old 
rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time of 
anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets out 
of it is anyone's guess.

If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it 
but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him 
wasting his time. I don't give a damn.



Steve doesn't understand the distinction you're making because some months ago 
something happened to him and he began to adopt Willytex's tactics himself. He 
doesn't really ever add anything to any of the discussions he interrupts or 
deal with any of the actual issues that the critics have brought up. Instead, 
he just says something nasty about the critic, hoping 1) to hurt them somehow, 
and 2) to shut them up. 

It was really SAD to see this degeneration of his mind happen here on FFL. 
There was a time when I would have considered him one of the fairly intelligent 
people here. But then something pushed his buttons Big-Time, and he hasn't been 
the same since. If I had to guess what it was, I'd guess that he had a strong, 
largely unconscious reaction to admitted atheists being able to speak here as 
if their ideas were just as valuable as anyone else's. He resented that so much 
that he started his "anti-atheist" diatribes. Now he seems to be able to do 
nothing BUT get his buttons pushed and lash out. Sad. Maybe he should start 
meditating again.  :-)



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap 
because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make 
sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not 
knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you 
don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine 
spending all day trolling people!
>>
>>>So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting 
>>>time too. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Nabby's Friends Come to visit

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

http://www.wltx.com/story/tech/science/2014/11/04/meteor-streaks-over-eastern-us/18458411/
  
 
Meteor Streaks Over Eastern US
ATLANTA (WXIA) – Dozens of reports of a fireball crossing the sky emerged 
Monday evening across 12 eastern states, from as far north as the Great  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm going to have to take this video one step at a time. Too much exposure to 
this bollocks at once could possibly be fatal.
 >
 You sound very prejudiced against certain groups. Prejudice is forming 
judgments toward people or a person because of their religion, age, sexuality, 
social class, or other personal characteristics. 
 >
 On 11/4/2014 12:34 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
 >
 That's the first thing in this post that makes no sense.
 >
 Let me explain it to you: Prejudice is a preconceived opinion that is not 
based on reason or actual experience. You sound like you're prejudiced against 
Hindus and Christians. It's just an observation based on what you've posted 
about Ann and Share. You do seem to have a prejudice against Jews as well which 
might be a result of your upbringing or because of peer pressure.
 >
 
 
 My first observation is, and I may be imagining it, but JH looks like he 
doesn't believe it ether. In fact he looks positively embarrassed. Something in 
the way his face pinches up when he talks. If I was a copper interviewing him 
about some heinous crime I wouldn't believe a word of it. Lying through his 
teeth.



 >
 Non sequitur.
 > That's the second.
 >
 Non sequitur is an inference or conclusion that does not follow from the 
premises or evidence: JH Having a pinched up face or not has nothing to do with 
you being "wrong-headed about jyotish and yagya."
 >
 But then,  considering the amount of money involved that's exactly how I do 
feel.
 



 >
 So, how much money have you donated to the movement? Apparently it was the 
movement that supported you for a decade. Cognitive dissonance? You sound like 
somebody that got kicked out of the movement and now you're upset and want to 
take your anger out on spiritual all religious groups. Go figure.
 > Full house! >
 You sound like somebody that got kicked out of the movement and now you're 
upset and want to take your anger out on spiritual and religious groups online. 
Go figure.
 
 Ricky, I am finally getting the knack of how you roll (well, in the last three 
months I have) and you will outlast everyone here and not even end up breathing 
hard or elevating your heart rate. I gotta give you credit. You are a sly one 
and laughing as you go. Good for you. I love a person who knows how to play and 
to do so without malice. > Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just 
writes the same old crap because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do 
that, he doesn't even make sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry 
for him. Imagine not knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that 
writing big words you don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to 
impress people! Imagine spending all day trolling people! So what is the point 
of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time too. Go figure. Funny 
how perception is different for different people. You dig bawee and I think 
Richard is having the time of his life. Don't underestimate what he's thinking 
and doing here, not that it will lead to anything beyond entertainment at FFL. 
bawee takes himself very seriously but Ricky does not, that is a big difference 
right there.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

And as I have pointed out before, Steve is a clone of Willy Tex




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


It's wrong, ain't it sal,just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion 
contrary to your own.

maybe you need to circulate more.

Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel universe 
with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely related to 
what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying any old 
rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time of 
anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets out 
of it is anyone's guess.

If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it 
but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him 
wasting his time. I don't give a damn.







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap 
because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make 
sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not 
knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you 
don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine 
spending all day trolling people!
>>
>>>So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting 
>>>time too. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's wrong, ain't it sal, just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion 
contrary to your own. 

 maybe you need to circulate more.
 

 Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel 
universe with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely 
related to what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying 
any old rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time 
of anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets 
out of it is anyone's guess.
 

 If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it 
but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him 
wasting his time. I don't give a damn.
 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap 
because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make 
sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not 
knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you 
don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine 
spending all day trolling people!
 So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time 
too. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Randi on Geller

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I did not see the documentary, but I watched some of the linked clips, and 
also developed an affection for him, which grew as I learned that he "came out" 
and married his partner. 

 What a different approach than someone like Barry, who gets apoplectic with 
the fact that people enjoy their practice of TM and TMSP, and may even follow 
an inclination to participate in the Yagya program.
 

 Is he trying to save people's souls?
 

 There are just so many types of people in this world, Steve. I tend to stick 
around the ones that are life affirming, joyful and creative. I leave the 
others to those who like negativity, toxicity and mindlessness. 
 Fortunately, there seems to be more of the former than the latter here at FFL 
hence I am still hanging in here.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Randi also said that after he is gone he does not want his fans to bother with 
a museum of magic named after him or burying him in a fancy tomb. Instead, he 
said, "I want to be cremated, and I want my ashes blown in Uri Geller's eyes."
 

 James Randi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi#cite_note-SF-Weekly-112
  
  
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi#cite_note-SF-Weekly-112
  
  
  
  
  
 James Randi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi#cite_note-SF-Weekly-112 James Randi 
(born Randall James Hamilton Zwinge, August 7, 1928) is a Canadian-American 
retired stage magician and scientific skeptic[2][3] best known for his cha...


 
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 The BBC documentary that Seraphita so fantastically turned my attention to was 
amazing. It was not only interesting in content and exposed some very annoying 
charlatans but much more importantly was the revelation of the man, of James 
Randi, who I came to love by the end of the film. His relationship with his 
young lover and the vulnerability James showed at the end when his partner was 
arrested for identity theft and then later released with a relatively light 
sentence was really moving. This small and bent little man who is such a 
powerful and gentle personality (even within his one-pointed life's purpose in 
keeping the truth ahead of the lies) was so lovely and so gifted in so many 
ways. What a little gem of a film and a treasure of a man. Thanks again for 
linking FFL to this.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Blackmore on NDE's

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

She is obviously telling black lies spawned in the pits of hell to undermine 
the efforts of all legitimately near dead people from fulfilling their missions 
by selling books, cds, seminars and other nostrums to people hungry for 
spiritual solace.

On a more serious note, the NDEs seem to exist for 2 reasons. The first is for 
a few people like Dannion Brinkly to make bucks and get a lot of attention. The 
second is to affirm the existence of God, Jesus, Ascended Masters and so on and 
obviously the existence of life after death. So what do you think happens to a 
person after death Sal, if the NDEs are all just a lot of brain wave activity?




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:01 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Blackmore on NDE's
 


  
The recent study on Near Death Experiences was widely misreported by a hopeful 
media and caused a frenzy in pseudo-science pages on facebook etc.

Susan Blackmore has spent a lifetime studying the paranormal and brain 
functioning and even had an NDE herself, her opinion is obviously worth 
hearing, her bit starts at 10 mins in:

http://thehumanist.com/multimedia/podcast/the-humanist-hour-122-a-discussion-on-the-psychology-of-the-paranormal-with-dr-susan-blackmore


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep, a quiet morning - nothing happened, though that party cost us four billion 
dollars...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From the election results, it is obvious that the Marshy Effect is live and 
well in Iowa and the entire US.

 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:33 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
 
 
   Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you 
want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be 
a castrated hog.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

98%, actually.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Divide and conquer is all it is. Get everyone wasting energy and fighting, 
about steering government in the same direction -  

 Percentage of the Federal budget, already spoken for:
 

 24% Social Security
 22% Medicaid, medicare
 19% Defense
 12% Welfare
 8%  Benefits for govt. and veterans
 6%  Interest on the debt
 3%  Transportation infrastructure
 2%  Science and med research
 1%  Education
 1%  Foreign aid
 

 So far, that is 97% of our taxes, that automatically go to these programs, 
regardless of the party in "power". 
 

 Everybody fights over the remaining 3%. Pretty silly, if you ask me.
 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Fleetwood, this theater meme got me back on track thinking wise...
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:44 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red
 
 
   It is mostly theater,  as much of the federal budget is already spoken for, 
regardless of the party in "power". 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you 
want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be 
a castrated hog.

 




 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

>From the election results, it is obvious that the Marshy Effect is live and 
>well in Iowa and the entire US.




 From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
 


  
Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you want 
to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be a 
castrated hog.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Divide and conquer is all it is. Get everyone wasting energy and fighting, 
about steering government in the same direction -  

 Percentage of the Federal budget, already spoken for:
 

 24% Social Security
 22% Medicaid, medicare
 19% Defense
 12% Welfare
 8%  Benefits for govt. and veterans
 6%  Interest on the debt
 3%  Transportation infrastructure
 2%  Science and med research
 1%  Education
 1%  Foreign aid
 

 So far, that is 97% of our taxes, that automatically go to these programs, 
regardless of the party in "power". 
 

 Everybody fights over the remaining 3%. Pretty silly, if you ask me.
 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Fleetwood, this theater meme got me back on track thinking wise...
 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:44 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red
 
 
   It is mostly theater,  as much of the federal budget is already spoken for, 
regardless of the party in "power". 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you 
want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be 
a castrated hog.

 




 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Strange, Barry.  A couple of days ago you seemed excited about going to a film 
festival or something.  A pleasant diversion I guess.  

 But, since then, no word on the latest movies, but rather a doubling down on 
how bad is FFL, your handpicked members of FFL, and, of course, America.
 

 Hey, gotta do something to fill up the day, I guess.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm waiting for some brainwashed TM TB to find a way to spin this as a 
positive result of the "ME," and all of that Woo Woo emanating from 
butt-bouncing in the domes and raising the consciousness level of all Iowa. Let 
me guess... 
 

 This is one of those "the Laws Of Nature causing some 'minor normalization'" 
thangs, like Fairfield's suicide rate and the Pundit Riots.  :-)
 

 

 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:33 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
 
 
   Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you 
want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be 
a castrated hog.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It's wrong, ain't it sal, just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion 
contrary to your own. 

 maybe you need to circulate more.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap 
because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make 
sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not 
knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you 
don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine 
spending all day trolling people!
 So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time 
too. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Energy Technology

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Youtube is the opium of masses?  Okay, great pundit.  Thanks for the view from 
on high. 

 Really, I don't understand why your greatness is not appreciated, or noted by 
a bigger audience.
 

 Do you want us to respond, "oooh, wow", the great one has spoken.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Youtube is the opium of the masses. 
 

 

 

 A plot by the New World Order to keep everyone in a state of complete mentally 
distracted ignorance. Probably a billion videos about that too

 

 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAV4iWhFiSE 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAV4iWhFiSE