date:20161209

They said 16 Sept 1884 about 4 or 5 times (and one time it was 1884 and 4)!
That date was a big deal!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:

> But it doesn't give any hint of age or year of birth?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> You still need to find the baptism.
>
> A legitimization legitimizes the kid. The father comes forward and says
> he's the dad (or in the case of pais incognitos, both parents come
> forward). I'll try, but I'm not fluent and I've never trained myself to
> read these.
>
> It starts out 31 Dec 1884 at Sao Joao Batista church in Lajes do Pico,
> says Manuel Goulart Martins, married, mariner, living in this freguesia, in
> a public declaration/proclamation, that he acknowledges/recognizes Manuel,
> son of Perpetua da Conceicao, single, of this freguesia, and that the
> following proclamation was made: Manuel Goulart Martins, single, mariner,
> living in the freguesia of Sao Joao, on the 16 September 1884 I lose
> part of it here then In the year birth of our Lord Jesus Christ of 1884 (I
> think they wrote that year enough times already!) on the 16 day of the
> month of September of the current year in this village of Lajes do Pico,
> and the house of Antonio Homem da Costa I lose part of it here. I think
> I see the word "found" "witnesses" "end of this assigned???" Manuel Goulart
> Martins, single, of major age, maritime, living in the freguesia of Sao
> Joao (geez, how much vinho did this guy have???) son of Manuel Goulart
> Martins and of his wife Maria Francesca, both deceased, natives of the
> freguesia of Sao Joao, of whom I knew properly?? of the faith?? (that word
> is faith)...something about witnesses. They were present, the same
> witnesses, something something Manuel Goulart Martins something something
> something the son Manuel, single, son natural of Perpetua da Conceicao and
> of pai incognito...godfather Jose Ignacio Martins, married, treasurer,
> living in the something freguesia, and godmother the invocation of Our
> Lady. Then something about the parish record declared Manuel was the son of
> pai incognito (uhhh, they opened another bottle of wine)I lose it
> again. I see "declare that he and his son" ...I think he says again Manuel
> is his son. Then something about Manuel, his son, uses two surnames
> ...something then they have all the rights that they read of the king (huh
> what?) something sons/children...Something authority of the faith (???)
> .ratifiedassigned...witnesses Antonio Homem Costa and Manuel
> Leal de Brum, single, something something, living in this referenced Vila,
> of whom I know, Thome Cardoza de Simas Machado e Mello something public of
> notes (a notary?) It goes on again with the names, they attest to the
> truth, they paid the stamps of 1000 reis (unit of money) and another of ___
> reis (had to do with 15/50?), something 16 September 1884 and 4 and Mello
> (OK, now I need a bottle of wine). Something .. more or less of the said
> something..actual book of notes, number 25 ... conferred it was true
> without cause...two half pages of paper ...something something Simas. In
> this village of Lajes do Pico on the 16 day of September 1884 (they must
> have had a good crop of grapes). I Thome Cardozo de Simas Machado e Mello
> he blabs some more and says his name again. I think you get the gist.
> Manuel Goulart Martins signs at the end.
>
> Now I think I need some wine! LOL, just kidding. The native speakers are
> laughing hysterically!
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> I believe it is my great grandmother's son.  I have been trying to find
>> his birth/baptism record.  I'm not sure I understand a legitimization.
>> Who would be making him Legitimate?  Is someone adopting him? If he was
>> Pai incognito then how does he get Legitimate?
>> The mother's and neta materna names match.
>> I can send it to Joao if it's to much I understand.  I thought I would
>> try here first.
>>
>> Thx
>> Liz
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> You know this is a legitimization right? Is that what you are after? A
>>> Manuel born to pai incognito? I don't want to translate it if you didn't
>>> mean to be in the legitimizations. What info can you read and what info do
>>> you need from it?
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
>>> wrote:
>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translate please

2016-12-09 Thread Liz Migliori

But it doesn't give any hint of age or year of birth?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> You still need to find the baptism.
> 
> A legitimization legitimizes the kid. The father comes forward and says he's 
> the dad (or in the case of pais incognitos, both parents come forward). I'll 
> try, but I'm not fluent and I've never trained myself to read these.
> 
> It starts out 31 Dec 1884 at Sao Joao Batista church in Lajes do Pico, says 
> Manuel Goulart Martins, married, mariner, living in this freguesia, in a 
> public declaration/proclamation, that he acknowledges/recognizes Manuel, son 
> of Perpetua da Conceicao, single, of this freguesia, and that the following 
> proclamation was made: Manuel Goulart Martins, single, mariner, living in the 
> freguesia of Sao Joao, on the 16 September 1884 I lose part of it here 
> then In the year birth of our Lord Jesus Christ of 1884 (I think they wrote 
> that year enough times already!) on the 16 day of the month of September of 
> the current year in this village of Lajes do Pico, and the house of Antonio 
> Homem da Costa I lose part of it here. I think I see the word "found" 
> "witnesses" "end of this assigned???" Manuel Goulart Martins, single, of 
> major age, maritime, living in the freguesia of Sao Joao (geez, how much 
> vinho did this guy have???) son of Manuel Goulart Martins and of his wife 
> Maria Francesca, both deceased, natives of the freguesia of Sao Joao, of whom 
> I knew properly?? of the faith?? (that word is faith)...something about 
> witnesses. They were present, the same witnesses, something something Manuel 
> Goulart Martins something something something the son Manuel, single, son 
> natural of Perpetua da Conceicao and of pai incognito...godfather Jose 
> Ignacio Martins, married, treasurer, living in the something freguesia, and 
> godmother the invocation of Our Lady. Then something about the parish record 
> declared Manuel was the son of pai incognito (uhhh, they opened another 
> bottle of wine)I lose it again. I see "declare that he and his son" ...I 
> think he says again Manuel is his son. Then something about Manuel, his son, 
> uses two surnames ...something then they have all the rights that they read 
> of the king (huh what?) something sons/children...Something authority of the 
> faith (???) .ratifiedassigned...witnesses Antonio Homem Costa and 
> Manuel Leal de Brum, single, something something, living in this referenced 
> Vila, of whom I know, Thome Cardoza de Simas Machado e Mello something public 
> of notes (a notary?) It goes on again with the names, they attest to the 
> truth, they paid the stamps of 1000 reis (unit of money) and another of ___ 
> reis (had to do with 15/50?), something 16 September 1884 and 4 and Mello 
> (OK, now I need a bottle of wine). Something .. more or less of the said 
> something..actual book of notes, number 25 ... conferred it was true without 
> cause...two half pages of paper ...something something Simas. In this village 
> of Lajes do Pico on the 16 day of September 1884 (they must have had a good 
> crop of grapes). I Thome Cardozo de Simas Machado e Mello he blabs some 
> more and says his name again. I think you get the gist. Manuel Goulart 
> Martins signs at the end.
> 
> Now I think I need some wine! LOL, just kidding. The native speakers are 
> laughing hysterically!
> Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  
>> wrote:
>> I believe it is my great grandmother's son.  I have been trying to find his 
>> birth/baptism record.  I'm not sure I understand a legitimization.
>> Who would be making him Legitimate?  Is someone adopting him? If he was Pai 
>> incognito then how does he get Legitimate?
>> The mother's and neta materna names match.
>> I can send it to Joao if it's to much I understand.  I thought I would try 
>> here first.
>> 
>> Thx
>> Liz
>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> You know this is a legitimization right? Is that what you are after? A 
>>> Manuel born to pai incognito? I don't want to translate it if you didn't 
>>> mean to be in the legitimizations. What info can you read and what info do 
>>> you need from it?
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
 On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Elizabeth Migliori  
 wrote:
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884_item1/P5.html
 
 Would someone please translate this doc for me... Manuel left side half 
 way down but then goes to next page.
 
 Thank you

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translate please

2016-12-09 Thread Liz Migliori

Lololololololololo. I think I just peed lolololo.  
I quit drinking but I think I'm taking it back up. Look

So I think the jist of it here is that the father is Manuel Goulart Martins 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> You still need to find the baptism.
> 
> A legitimization legitimizes the kid. The father comes forward and says he's 
> the dad (or in the case of pais incognitos, both parents come forward). I'll 
> try, but I'm not fluent and I've never trained myself to read these.
> 
> It starts out 31 Dec 1884 at Sao Joao Batista church in Lajes do Pico, says 
> Manuel Goulart Martins, married, mariner, living in this freguesia, in a 
> public declaration/proclamation, that he acknowledges/recognizes Manuel, son 
> of Perpetua da Conceicao, single, of this freguesia, and that the following 
> proclamation was made: Manuel Goulart Martins, single, mariner, living in the 
> freguesia of Sao Joao, on the 16 September 1884 I lose part of it here 
> then In the year birth of our Lord Jesus Christ of 1884 (I think they wrote 
> that year enough times already!) on the 16 day of the month of September of 
> the current year in this village of Lajes do Pico, and the house of Antonio 
> Homem da Costa I lose part of it here. I think I see the word "found" 
> "witnesses" "end of this assigned???" Manuel Goulart Martins, single, of 
> major age, maritime, living in the freguesia of Sao Joao (geez, how much 
> vinho did this guy have???) son of Manuel Goulart Martins and of his wife 
> Maria Francesca, both deceased, natives of the freguesia of Sao Joao, of whom 
> I knew properly?? of the faith?? (that word is faith)...something about 
> witnesses. They were present, the same witnesses, something something Manuel 
> Goulart Martins something something something the son Manuel, single, son 
> natural of Perpetua da Conceicao and of pai incognito...godfather Jose 
> Ignacio Martins, married, treasurer, living in the something freguesia, and 
> godmother the invocation of Our Lady. Then something about the parish record 
> declared Manuel was the son of pai incognito (uhhh, they opened another 
> bottle of wine)I lose it again. I see "declare that he and his son" ...I 
> think he says again Manuel is his son. Then something about Manuel, his son, 
> uses two surnames ...something then they have all the rights that they read 
> of the king (huh what?) something sons/children...Something authority of the 
> faith (???) .ratifiedassigned...witnesses Antonio Homem Costa and 
> Manuel Leal de Brum, single, something something, living in this referenced 
> Vila, of whom I know, Thome Cardoza de Simas Machado e Mello something public 
> of notes (a notary?) It goes on again with the names, they attest to the 
> truth, they paid the stamps of 1000 reis (unit of money) and another of ___ 
> reis (had to do with 15/50?), something 16 September 1884 and 4 and Mello 
> (OK, now I need a bottle of wine). Something .. more or less of the said 
> something..actual book of notes, number 25 ... conferred it was true without 
> cause...two half pages of paper ...something something Simas. In this village 
> of Lajes do Pico on the 16 day of September 1884 (they must have had a good 
> crop of grapes). I Thome Cardozo de Simas Machado e Mello he blabs some 
> more and says his name again. I think you get the gist. Manuel Goulart 
> Martins signs at the end.
> 
> Now I think I need some wine! LOL, just kidding. The native speakers are 
> laughing hysterically!
> Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  
>> wrote:
>> I believe it is my great grandmother's son.  I have been trying to find his 
>> birth/baptism record.  I'm not sure I understand a legitimization.
>> Who would be making him Legitimate?  Is someone adopting him? If he was Pai 
>> incognito then how does he get Legitimate?
>> The mother's and neta materna names match.
>> I can send it to Joao if it's to much I understand.  I thought I would try 
>> here first.
>> 
>> Thx
>> Liz
>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> You know this is a legitimization right? Is that what you are after? A 
>>> Manuel born to pai incognito? I don't want to translate it if you didn't 
>>> mean to be in the legitimizations. What info can you read and what info do 
>>> you need from it?
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
 On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Elizabeth Migliori  
 wrote:
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884_item1/P5.html

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First time researching Tombo.pt records (Fontinhas of Terceira)

2016-12-09 Thread 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy

You're welcome. I don't know how much you do (or don't) know at this stage. So, 
I may say something unnecessary. Pardon me if I do.  Here goes: since these are 
transcribed by others, there can be errors. Always verify transcribed records 
by going back to the original documents. 

You seem to be doing pretty well from what I've observed. Continued good luck 
with your research. 

Gayle



> On Dec 9, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Samantha B  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Gayle, that was really helpful :)
> 
> Samantha
> 
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 9:51:55 PM UTC-8, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> Samantha,
>> 
>> I know you're looking for Joaquim, but I noticed that CITCEM has info on 
>> Maria Delfina in Piedade. Do you need it ?
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Samantha B  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all (the newbie is back)
>>> 
>>> I'm still on the hunt for my husband's grandfather Joaquim Benedicto. I'm 
>>> specifically looking for a baptism record for him from about 1874. He 
>>> (hopefully, it's him) "from Fontinhas of Terceira ... and is ... the 
>>> legitimate son of Benedicto Antonio native of Altares and Maria Delfina 
>>> native of Nossa Senhora da Piedade of Pico."
>>> 
>>> My first question is, would I be looking through tombo.pt Acores -> 
>>> Terceira -> Angra do Heroismo -> Nossa Senhora do Pilar? (If there were 
>>> records which doesn't seem the case here.)
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Samantha
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First time researching Tombo.pt records (Fontinhas of Terceira)

Favored genealogy? That's a rather ambiguous question. I would say most of
us use the CCA or use Tombo.pt to access the CCA. Ancestry.com doesn't have
any Azorean records and neither does FamilySearch.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Samantha B  wrote:

> No worrie Cheri, I totally understand :) I've found myself a translator on
> Fivrr. I need the first couple done for me as I'm dyslexic and it'll help
> to have the English comparison texts moving forward.
>
> And yes, thanks re the Azores GenWeb; I'm slowly working my way through
> the website :)
>
> Out of interest what is the favored genealogy here for you folks? I'm
> using ancestry.com
>
> Samantha
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 9:46:21 AM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Samantha,
>>
>> I don't have time to translate it for you, but if you go to the Azores
>> GenWeb you can find the info. The Azores GenWeb is a BIG deal and you
>> should bookmark it.
>>
>> Here's the direct link on the Azores GenWeb for translations:
>> https://goo.gl/P7hNxI
>>
>> It starts out with key words and explains everything. At the bottom is a
>> link that takes you to some examples. Print out the HANDWRITTEN baptism and
>> its translation. I believe I translated it line by line. It's the 3rd time
>> period, same one that you are researching. Then go back to your baptism and
>> utilize that list of key words.
>>
>> You don't need to translate every word. You just need to be able to
>> extract the names and dates to start. You can post those to the list and
>> others will review your work. This way, you won't burn out the translators.
>> They are more likely to help those who help themselves.
>>
>> Also, when posting the CCA image URLif the record is numbered, say
>> it's record 27, bottom right. Helps save time. And once you get real good
>> at them, you may only want a few words. It helps to say it's the 10th line
>> down or the 5th line from the bottom.
>> Good luck, Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Samantha B  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Cheri :) I went back and looked this up a minute after I posted
>>> this original question and worked it out. Any hey presto I found him :)
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-
>>> FONTINHAS-B-1870-1879/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-B-1870-1879_item1/P84.html
>>>
>>> Unfortunately my Portuguese is non existent (though I'm already getting
>>> better at reading the cursive lol). However this is the Joaquim from the
>>> marriage entry and it does match the birth year of his grandfather.
>>>
>>> I would greatly appreciate any help in translating/understanding this
>>> record. :)
>>>
>>> Next is finding a passport to confirm that this Joaquim is, in fact, the
>>> same as my husband's grandfather who travelled in 1906 on the SS Brooklyn.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 9:51:55 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:

 No that's not it.

 If you don't know how the Azores is organized, you are not utilizing
 the how to article or the Azores Genweb. The maps section shows it to you,
 with color coded maps. Pick the map section from the home page:
 [image: Inline image 2]

 Or just go to Tombo.pt and type in the FREGUESIA. You will find out
 that the church is NOT Nossa Senhora do Pilar nor is it in the council of
 Angra.

 [image: Inline image 1]

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Samantha B  wrote:

> Hi all (the newbie is back)
>
> I'm still on the hunt for my husband's grandfather Joaquim Benedicto.
> I'm specifically looking for a baptism record for him from about 1874. He
> (hopefully, it's him) "from Fontinhas of Terceira ... and is ... the
> legitimate son of Benedicto Antonio native of Altares and Maria Delfina
> native of Nossa Senhora da Piedade of Pico."
>
> My first question is, would I be looking through tombo.pt Acores ->
> Terceira -> Angra do Heroismo -> Nossa Senhora do Pilar? (If there were
> records which doesn't seem the case here.)
>
> Thanks
> Samantha
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First time researching Tombo.pt records (Fontinhas of Terceira)

2016-12-09 Thread Samantha B

Thanks Gayle, that was really helpful :)

Samantha

On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 9:51:55 PM UTC-8, good...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Samantha,
>
> I know you're looking for Joaquim, but I noticed that CITCEM has info on 
> Maria Delfina in Piedade. Do you need it ?
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Samantha B  
> wrote:
>
> Hi all (the newbie is back)
>
> I'm still on the hunt for my husband's grandfather Joaquim Benedicto. I'm 
> specifically looking for a baptism record for him from about 1874. He 
> (hopefully, it's him) "from Fontinhas of Terceira ... and is ... the 
> legitimate son of Benedicto Antonio native of Altares and Maria Delfina 
> native of Nossa Senhora da Piedade of Pico."
>
> My first question is, would I be looking through tombo.pt Acores -> 
> Terceira -> Angra do Heroismo -> Nossa Senhora do Pilar? (If there were 
> records which doesn't seem the case here.)
>
> Thanks
> Samantha
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: First time researching Tombo.pt records (Fontinhas of Terceira)

2016-12-09 Thread Samantha B

Thanks Philippe

I found him :) 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-B-1870-1879/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-B-1870-1879_item1/P84.html

Regards
Samantha

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 5:40:05 PM UTC-8, Philippe Garnier wrote:
>
> Sry to my last msg. NS do Pilar is *Cinco *Ribeiras
>
> Philippe Garnier
>
> Le vendredi 9 décembre 2016 06:45:46 UTC+1, Samantha B a écrit :
>>
>> Hi all (the newbie is back)
>>
>> I'm still on the hunt for my husband's grandfather Joaquim Benedicto. I'm 
>> specifically looking for a baptism record for him from about 1874. He 
>> (hopefully, it's him) "from Fontinhas of Terceira ... and is ... the 
>> legitimate son of Benedicto Antonio native of Altares and Maria Delfina 
>> native of Nossa Senhora da Piedade of Pico."
>>
>> My first question is, would I be looking through tombo.pt Acores -> 
>> Terceira -> Angra do Heroismo -> Nossa Senhora do Pilar? (If there were 
>> records which doesn't seem the case here.)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Samantha
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translate please

You still need to find the baptism.

A legitimization legitimizes the kid. The father comes forward and says
he's the dad (or in the case of pais incognitos, both parents come
forward). I'll try, but I'm not fluent and I've never trained myself to
read these.

It starts out 31 Dec 1884 at Sao Joao Batista church in Lajes do Pico, says
Manuel Goulart Martins, married, mariner, living in this freguesia, in a
public declaration/proclamation, that he acknowledges/recognizes Manuel,
son of Perpetua da Conceicao, single, of this freguesia, and that the
following proclamation was made: Manuel Goulart Martins, single, mariner,
living in the freguesia of Sao Joao, on the 16 September 1884 I lose
part of it here then In the year birth of our Lord Jesus Christ of 1884 (I
think they wrote that year enough times already!) on the 16 day of the
month of September of the current year in this village of Lajes do Pico,
and the house of Antonio Homem da Costa I lose part of it here. I think
I see the word "found" "witnesses" "end of this assigned???" Manuel Goulart
Martins, single, of major age, maritime, living in the freguesia of Sao
Joao (geez, how much vinho did this guy have???) son of Manuel Goulart
Martins and of his wife Maria Francesca, both deceased, natives of the
freguesia of Sao Joao, of whom I knew properly?? of the faith?? (that word
is faith)...something about witnesses. They were present, the same
witnesses, something something Manuel Goulart Martins something something
something the son Manuel, single, son natural of Perpetua da Conceicao and
of pai incognito...godfather Jose Ignacio Martins, married, treasurer,
living in the something freguesia, and godmother the invocation of Our
Lady. Then something about the parish record declared Manuel was the son of
pai incognito (uhhh, they opened another bottle of wine)I lose it
again. I see "declare that he and his son" ...I think he says again Manuel
is his son. Then something about Manuel, his son, uses two surnames
...something then they have all the rights that they read of the king (huh
what?) something sons/children...Something authority of the faith (???)
.ratifiedassigned...witnesses Antonio Homem Costa and Manuel
Leal de Brum, single, something something, living in this referenced Vila,
of whom I know, Thome Cardoza de Simas Machado e Mello something public of
notes (a notary?) It goes on again with the names, they attest to the
truth, they paid the stamps of 1000 reis (unit of money) and another of ___
reis (had to do with 15/50?), something 16 September 1884 and 4 and Mello
(OK, now I need a bottle of wine). Something .. more or less of the said
something..actual book of notes, number 25 ... conferred it was true
without cause...two half pages of paper ...something something Simas. In
this village of Lajes do Pico on the 16 day of September 1884 (they must
have had a good crop of grapes). I Thome Cardozo de Simas Machado e Mello
he blabs some more and says his name again. I think you get the gist.
Manuel Goulart Martins signs at the end.

Now I think I need some wine! LOL, just kidding. The native speakers are
laughing hysterically!
Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> I believe it is my great grandmother's son.  I have been trying to find
> his birth/baptism record.  I'm not sure I understand a legitimization.
> Who would be making him Legitimate?  Is someone adopting him? If he was
> Pai incognito then how does he get Legitimate?
> The mother's and neta materna names match.
> I can send it to Joao if it's to much I understand.  I thought I would try
> here first.
>
> Thx
> Liz
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> You know this is a legitimization right? Is that what you are after? A
>> Manuel born to pai incognito? I don't want to translate it if you didn't
>> mean to be in the legitimizations. What info can you read and what info do
>> you need from it?
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-
>>> SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884_item1/P5.html
>>>
>>> Would someone please translate this doc for me... Manuel left side half
>>> way down but then goes to next page.
>>>
>>> Thank you  in advance
>>>
>>> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] First People's DNA Study

2016-12-09 Thread E. Sharp

I am watching this very interesting study on DNA on TV called First Peoples. If 
I was confused before, I am even more confused now.  

"E" 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

2016-12-09 Thread Shirley Allegre

This is what I see:
I have them from Ribeira Quente.
Anybody else confused besides me
Shirley in CA
- Original Message -
From: Richard Francis Pimentel
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 5:46 AM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

Looking at the record. Francisco/Francisca Rosa de Mello is the son/daughter
of Manuel de Mello Barbosa and Maria Julia he/she is 50 years old and a
widower/widow.

Maria de Lima age 20, Maria do Coracao/Carmo de Lima age 17 and Joao Ignacio
de Lima age 14 I don't have any info on him. are the children of Jose Ignacio
de Lima and Francisca Rosa they are all single and all are from Sao Roque.

What I see in this record is Francisco/Francisca Rosa de Mello is most likely
a relative the three minors and is accompanying them most likely to join their
parents.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Elaine Mello
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 8:04 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

Hi everyone,

I've been going page by page from about 1904 onwards looking for my
parternal grandmather, Maria Lima. It's been great looking at these records
for those years from Porto Delgada, because whomever was writing the logs had
the clearest handwriting I've seen so far. I think I found her, but they
weren't listed as coming from Ribeira Quente. I'm assuming this is a mistake,
as they just did an ellipses from the person above them rather than to write
the correct town down.

So on line 675 here:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907_item1/P114.html

I see the passport for Francisca Roza de Mello, whose parents were Manuel de
Mello Barboza and Maria Julia.

The next line down is a Maria da Lima, with her parents listed, Joao Ignacio
de Lima and Francisca Roza.

The line after that is another Maria Lima, who would be the right age for my
grandmother, who was born in 1890. I can't read the middle name listed there,
and now there are two Marias there. Looking at my family tree, Manuel had a
brother Jose who also married a Francesca and their daughter was Maria, but I
thought she was the same age, and she would have been a de Mello or Barboza,
not a Lima.

So is it possible that the first Maria was listed as my grandmother, but
would in fact be the cousin?

And if this is the correct record, my grandmother would have had a little
brother, also named Joao?

Thanks for you assistance!

Elaine

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translate please

2016-12-09 Thread Elizabeth Migliori

I believe it is my great grandmother's son.  I have been trying to find his
birth/baptism record.  I'm not sure I understand a legitimization.
Who would be making him Legitimate?  Is someone adopting him? If he was Pai
incognito then how does he get Legitimate?
The mother's and neta materna names match.
I can send it to Joao if it's to much I understand.  I thought I would try
here first.

Thx
Liz

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> You know this is a legitimization right? Is that what you are after? A
> Manuel born to pai incognito? I don't want to translate it if you didn't
> mean to be in the legitimizations. What info can you read and what info do
> you need from it?
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-
>> SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884_item1/P5.html
>>
>> Would someone please translate this doc for me... Manuel left side half
>> way down but then goes to next page.
>>
>> Thank you  in advance
>>
>> Liz
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with deciphering a page

Yes on 6 March 1837.
4th degree of consanguinity - they are 3rd cousins.

Where I put the ".", it means that the letters that follow are raised in
superscript. So Fran.co means that Fran is regular and the co is up higher.

End of line 13:Fran.co de Avi-
14) la, f.o de Manuel do Avila e de Luiza Victoria, ja
15) defuncta, e Marianna Julia, f.a de M.el de Bor-
16) ba e de Perpetua Roza, todos something desta m.ma dita
17) Pa'l

I think this guy is making up some of his own abbreviations.
Fran.co = Francisco
f.o or f.a = filho/filha
M.el = Manuel
m.ma = mesma (I think he made that up)
Pa'l = Parish (I think he made that up)

English:
13)..Francisco de Avi
14) la, son of Manuel de Avila and of Luiza Victoria, has
15) died, and Marianna Julia, daughter of Manuel de Bor-
16) ba and of Perpetua Rosa, all residents (or living) in this same said
17) Parish.

So everyone is from Fontinhas.

Some abbreviations can be found in the Paleography guide published by
Family Search.I'm not too crazy about it, but it's better than nothing.
It's been linked on the Azores GenWeb for us:
https://goo.gl/CCAYm5

You'll get some name abbreviations here: https://goo.gl/z6EWRn
Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:33 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
wrote:

>
> I am trying to decipher this page:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860_item1/P6.html
>
> Francisco de Avila and Mariana Julia marriage document (March 6th, 1837?).
>
> I think Manuel De Borba and Perpetua Rosa are "her" (Mariana Julia)
> parents names.
>
> Are they from Fontinhas, Terceira or somewhere else?
>
> Louie
>
> PS: I live in California, I am 3rd/4th generation US resident of Azores
> decent ... ALL of my grand parents (or their parents) are from Terceira and
> Sao Jorge.
> I am having a great time doing the research ... I use "Google Translate"
> to do most of the work but ... the abbreviations are killing me!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with deciphering a page

2016-12-09 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci

Louie,
If you live in CA , to you live near Monterey? I will be teaching a two
hour Portuguese class on reading the records on Jan. 21st (Sat). If you are
interested, let me know and I will email you the flyer.


Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:33 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
wrote:

>
> I am trying to decipher this page:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860_item1/P6.html
>
> Francisco de Avila and Mariana Julia marriage document (March 6th, 1837?).
>
> I think Manuel De Borba and Perpetua Rosa are "her" (Mariana Julia)
> parents names.
>
> Are they from Fontinhas, Terceira or somewhere else?
>
> Louie
>
> PS: I live in California, I am 3rd/4th generation US resident of Azores
> decent ... ALL of my grand parents (or their parents) are from Terceira and
> Sao Jorge.
> I am having a great time doing the research ... I use "Google Translate"
> to do most of the work but ... the abbreviations are killing me!
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with deciphering a page

2016-12-09 Thread LouieLouieOhOh


I am trying to decipher this page:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860_item1/P6.html

Francisco de Avila and Mariana Julia marriage document (March 6th, 1837?).

I think Manuel De Borba and Perpetua Rosa are "her" (Mariana Julia) parents 
names.

Are they from Fontinhas, Terceira or somewhere else?

Louie

PS: I live in California, I am 3rd/4th generation US resident of Azores 
decent ... ALL of my grand parents (or their parents) are from Terceira and 
Sao Jorge.
I am having a great time doing the research ... I use "Google Translate" to 
do most of the work but ... the abbreviations are killing me!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: which port

2016-12-09 Thread pjm47

They came to the usa and arrived in New Bedford Ma

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 6:07:48 PM UTC-5, pjm47 wrote:
>
> my grandfather lived in St Michael's in the Rosario parish of Lagoa.Which 
> port would be the closest to that parish for them to leave from. 
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: First time researching Tombo.pt records (Fontinhas of Terceira)

2016-12-09 Thread Philippe Garnier

Sry to my last msg. NS do Pilar is *Cinco *Ribeiras

Philippe Garnier

Le vendredi 9 décembre 2016 06:45:46 UTC+1, Samantha B a écrit :
>
> Hi all (the newbie is back)
>
> I'm still on the hunt for my husband's grandfather Joaquim Benedicto. I'm 
> specifically looking for a baptism record for him from about 1874. He 
> (hopefully, it's him) "from Fontinhas of Terceira ... and is ... the 
> legitimate son of Benedicto Antonio native of Altares and Maria Delfina 
> native of Nossa Senhora da Piedade of Pico."
>
> My first question is, would I be looking through tombo.pt Acores -> 
> Terceira -> Angra do Heroismo -> Nossa Senhora do Pilar? (If there were 
> records which doesn't seem the case here.)
>
> Thanks
> Samantha
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?

Yes, and yes, it was.  Some times up to 4 and 5 Marias

If you look at the 17 year old Maria, record # 52 year 1890, on the top
right page, 6th line down, it reads"secunda de nome", second of the
name.  This confirms she is the 2nd Maria of this family thus far.

Elaine, You mentioned Maria's Dad arrived in the USA same year, May 6th?
What documentation do you have to prove this? Francisca's passport # 675
states she is 52 years and a widow.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Elaine Mello  wrote:

> So they had two daughters named Maria?  Was that common?
>
> If I'm reading this right, she was born on the April 2nd, 1887.
>
> Thank you for finding this other record, it was making my scratch my head!
> Thanks to Cheri as well for posting my Maria's record.
>
> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?

So they had two daughters named Maria?  Was that common? 

If I'm reading this right, she was born on the April 2nd, 1887. 

Thank you for finding this other record, it was making my scratch my head!   
Thanks to Cheri as well for posting my Maria's record.

Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translate please

You know this is a legitimization right? Is that what you are after? A
Manuel born to pai incognito? I don't want to translate it if you didn't
mean to be in the legitimizations. What info can you read and what info do
you need from it?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-
> LJ-SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884_item1/P5.html
>
> Would someone please translate this doc for me... Manuel left side half
> way down but then goes to next page.
>
> Thank you  in advance
>
> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which port

You could leave from any port you wanted to, but most people left from the
port closest to them.
1) Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel usually had Sao Miguel and Santa Maria
people leaving.
2) Angra on Terceira usually had Terceira, Graciosa, and Sao Jorge people.
3) Horta on Faial usually had Faial, Flores and Corvo people.

If you went to Hawaii, the boat left from Ponta Delgada. So that's the port
you left from.
Cheri

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[AZORES-Genealogy] which port

2016-12-09 Thread pjm47

my grandfather lived in St Michael's in the Rosario parish of Lagoa.Which 
port would be the closest to that parish for them to leave from. 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores passport process

2016-12-09 Thread manueljoseljose

SACHRISTÃO ( gravedigger )

A sacristão is/was the priest's helper during Mass

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 12:56:04 AM UTC-5, Kirsten wrote:
>
> I saw that Cheri, I guess I figured they changed their minds? So, I have 
> baptisms (thanks to Shirley Allegre). I can copy paste the info.but it 
> matches. I have them on the Bell Rock arriving HI Nov 1883. Then census 
> records in HI and later California. Death record for Lucinda correctly 
> lists the father as Lindinha as per Uncle Tony. Family history also claimed 
> that one of them was a "rota baby" . And you have to admit the names are 
> unusual. 
>
>
> Marcello
> orphan of the wheel of Camara _ _
> (I have been told that CAMARA means of the municipality.)
> DOB 2 June 1852
> BAP  3 June 1852, Sao Jose - Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores  (186RB)
> Maria Francisca wife of Manoel Pavao
> place of Fenais
> GODPARENT
> SACHRISTAO (gravedigger) Antonio Jose da Silva, single
> TESTIMONY
> Joaquim Pacheco
> Antonio Gomes
> both married & residents of this freguesia.
>  
>  And for Lucinda: 
>
>   Lucinda, orphan  -  -  -   (8LT)
> BAPT. 28 April 1852
> Nossa Senhora da Conceicao - Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel, Azores
> Umblina Rosa, married with Manoel Moniz Lindinha
> GODPARENT
> Joao Duarte Pacheco, suis juris (I don't know what suis juris 
> means.)
>  from Nossa Senhora d Conceicao - Ribeira Grande
> TESTIMONY
> Manoel da Costa
> Manoel de Medeiros
> all married this church
>
> *** please feel free to tell me iF I'm way off base!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Orphaned Children

2016-12-09 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

I am not an expert be here goes:
An "exposto" is a foundling, i.e. a baby who was abandoned, anonymously, at
birth. In the villages they were usually abandoned at some nursing woman's
door. These children needed a supply of breast milk if they were to have any
chance of survival.
Cities and towns had foundling homes with "rodas". These were usually (but not
always) convents. There was a device in the wall that looked like a cylinder
and operated like a lazy susan. In the dead of night, someone would quietly go
to the Roda, place the baby on this cylindrical device, spin it around so that
the baby was then on the interior side of the wall, the adult would pull a rope
that would sound a bell, and whoever was on duty in the foundling home would
retrieve the baby from the cylinder. (An example of a roda, not a real one, can
be seen in the Convento da Esperanca in Ponta Delgada).
A nursing mother had to be found real quick if the baby was to survive. These
were not usually people looking to adopt or to become guardians (though some
were). These folks were paid a very small stipend to care for the child. The
stipend ended when a child was weaned. The infant mortality rate for foundlings
was scandalously high even in an era when the infant mortality rate in general
was high. Many of these foundlings died of neglect or "failure to thrive".
The Santa Se Catedral de Angra simply refers to the church where the foundling
was baptized: the Cathedral in Angra, probably because the foundling home was
located within its parochial borders.
In relatively few cases some of these foundlings were placed and thrived in
loving foster homes and sometimes took the family name of the foster parents.
"Dado a criar a Maria" is sometimes found on their marriage record in place
of the parents' names (Placed to be raised with Maria") These were the
lucky children.
In a few cases relatives of the baby showed up at the foundling home asking to
take the child that was left last night with a little guardian angel medal
tied to its foot, etc. These children were luck. The identity of the parent,
while seldom acknowledged, was usually an open secret.

I have a rather more detailed article on this subject given to me many years
ago by Eloise Cadinha. I wish I could be of more help.
John Miranda Raposo

On Friday, December 9, 2016 3:17 PM, LouieLouieOhOh
wrote:

I am looking for expert advice ... I have been tracing my ancestral roots for
six months. Its a work in progress.
I have a relative who's marriage document says he is "exposto", I'm guessing
that means orphaned.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1844-1860/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1844-1860_item1/P71.html

It appears that he might have taken her last name (Silveira) for his own ... He
was Francisco Ignacio.

Can someone explain about Santa Se? Was it an orphanage?
Example:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SE-B-1817-1828/TER-AH-SE-B-1817-1828_item1/P12.html

Were some of these children taken in by couples seeking a child? and that is
what is in the left column?
Any guidance would be very much appreciated.
Louie
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Orphaned Children

2016-12-09 Thread LouieLouieOhOh


I am looking for expert advice ... I have been tracing my ancestral roots 
for six months. Its a work in progress.

I have a relative who's marriage document says he is "exposto", I'm 
guessing that means orphaned.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1844-1860/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1844-1860_item1/P71.html

It appears that he might have taken her last name (Silveira) for his own 
... He was Francisco Ignacio.

Can someone explain about Santa Se? Was it an orphanage?

Example:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SE-B-1817-1828/TER-AH-SE-B-1817-1828_item1/P12.html

Were some of these children taken in by couples seeking a child? and that 
is what is in the left column?

Any guidance would be very much appreciated.

Louie

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[AZORES-Genealogy] translate please

2016-12-09 Thread Elizabeth Migliori

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884_item1/P5.html

Would someone please translate this doc for me... Manuel left side half way
down but then goes to next page.

Thank you  in advance

Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading two words...

2016-12-09 Thread Ângela Loura

Just a curiosity: the guy that owns the driving school at Vila do Porto
descends from this Simplício

2016-12-05 12:43 GMT+00:00 George Sousa :

> Thanks JR!
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:28 PM, JR  wrote:
>
>> bap seis horas de dia dois de dito mez e annoPat- Simplicio Joaquim
>> de Moura and Maria Jacintha de Chaves de dita freguezia; Mat Antonio Joze
>> de Carvalho and Roza Jacintha naturais de referida freguezia. Pad- Antonio
>> J.e (Joze) de Chaves e Antonia de Chaves, irmaos de pai de baptizado,
>> moradores no mesmo termo...
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 4:36:50 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>>
>>> In the following record (top of left page)...
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1860-1864/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1860-1864_i
>>> tem1/P18.html
>>>
>>> 1. Can someone make out the occupation of the child's father?
>>> 2. and... What is the full name of the Paternal Grandfather?
>>>
>>> Here is what I have so far:
>>>
>>> Name: Jose
>>> Date of baptism: November 13, 1860
>>> Date of birth: November 2, 1860
>>> Father's Name: Jose Maria de Chaves
>>> Father's Occupation: ?
>>> Mother's Name: Antonia de Jesus Chaves
>>> Paternal Grandfather: ? Joaquim de Moura
>>> Paternal Grandmother: Maria Jacintha de Chaves
>>> Maternal Grandfather: Antonio Jose de Carvalho
>>> Maternal Grandmother: Roza Jacintha
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> George
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?

Sorry, bottom left, record # 11

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Thanks, Cheri.
>
> Based on this record, I think the passports record information is wrong
> and this is Elaine's family. And to prove this, here's the 20 year old
> Maria's birth record in R. Quente:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1885-1887/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1885-
> 1887_item1/P36.html
>
> Good job, Elaine.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Elaine's Maria Lima, #52, bottom left:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>> RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P25.html
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Elaine Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:03:54 AM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:

 Hi everyone,

I've been going page by page from about 1904 onwards looking for my
 parternal grandmather, Maria Lima.   It's been great looking at these
 records for those years from Porto Delgada, because whomever was writing
 the logs had the clearest handwriting I've seen so far.  I think I found
 her, but they weren't listed as coming from Ribeira Quente.  I'm assuming
 this is a mistake, as they just did an ellipses from the person above them
 rather than to write the correct town down.

 So on line 675 here:  http://www.culturacores.azore
 s.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907/PASSAP
 ORTES-PDL-1906-1907_item1/P114.html

 I see the passport for Francisca Roza de Mello, whose parents were
 Manuel de Mello Barboza and Maria Julia.
 The next line down is a Maria da Lima, with her parents listed, Joao
 Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Roza.

 The line after that is another Maria Lima, who would be the right age
 for my grandmother, who was born in 1890.  I can't read the middle name
 listed there, and now there are two Marias there.  Looking at my family
 tree, Manuel had a brother Jose who also married a Francesca and their
 daughter was Maria, but I thought she was the same age, and she would have
 been a de Mello or Barboza, not a Lima.

 So is it possible that the first Maria was listed as my grandmother,
 but would in fact be the cousin?

 And if this is the correct record, my grandmother would have had a
 little brother, also named Joao?

 Thanks for you assistance!

 Elaine

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?

Thanks, Cheri.

Based on this record, I think the passports record information is wrong and
this is Elaine's family. And to prove this, here's the 20 year old Maria's
birth record in R. Quente:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1885-1887/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1885-1887_item1/P36.html

Good job, Elaine.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Elaine's Maria Lima, #52, bottom left:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-
> 1899_item1/P25.html
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Elaine Mello  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:03:54 AM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>I've been going page by page from about 1904 onwards looking for my
>>> parternal grandmather, Maria Lima.   It's been great looking at these
>>> records for those years from Porto Delgada, because whomever was writing
>>> the logs had the clearest handwriting I've seen so far.  I think I found
>>> her, but they weren't listed as coming from Ribeira Quente.  I'm assuming
>>> this is a mistake, as they just did an ellipses from the person above them
>>> rather than to write the correct town down.
>>>
>>> So on line 675 here:  http://www.culturacores.azore
>>> s.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907/PASSAP
>>> ORTES-PDL-1906-1907_item1/P114.html
>>>
>>> I see the passport for Francisca Roza de Mello, whose parents were
>>> Manuel de Mello Barboza and Maria Julia.
>>> The next line down is a Maria da Lima, with her parents listed, Joao
>>> Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Roza.
>>>
>>> The line after that is another Maria Lima, who would be the right age
>>> for my grandmother, who was born in 1890.  I can't read the middle name
>>> listed there, and now there are two Marias there.  Looking at my family
>>> tree, Manuel had a brother Jose who also married a Francesca and their
>>> daughter was Maria, but I thought she was the same age, and she would have
>>> been a de Mello or Barboza, not a Lima.
>>>
>>> So is it possible that the first Maria was listed as my grandmother, but
>>> would in fact be the cousin?
>>>
>>> And if this is the correct record, my grandmother would have had a
>>> little brother, also named Joao?
>>>
>>> Thanks for you assistance!
>>>
>>> Elaine
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?

Elaine's Maria Lima, #52, bottom left:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P25.html

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Elaine Mello  wrote:

>
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:03:54 AM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>I've been going page by page from about 1904 onwards looking for my
>> parternal grandmather, Maria Lima.   It's been great looking at these
>> records for those years from Porto Delgada, because whomever was writing
>> the logs had the clearest handwriting I've seen so far.  I think I found
>> her, but they weren't listed as coming from Ribeira Quente.  I'm assuming
>> this is a mistake, as they just did an ellipses from the person above them
>> rather than to write the correct town down.
>>
>> So on line 675 here:  http://www.culturacores.azore
>> s.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907/
>> PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907_item1/P114.html
>>
>> I see the passport for Francisca Roza de Mello, whose parents were Manuel
>> de Mello Barboza and Maria Julia.
>> The next line down is a Maria da Lima, with her parents listed, Joao
>> Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Roza.
>>
>> The line after that is another Maria Lima, who would be the right age for
>> my grandmother, who was born in 1890.  I can't read the middle name listed
>> there, and now there are two Marias there.  Looking at my family tree,
>> Manuel had a brother Jose who also married a Francesca and their daughter
>> was Maria, but I thought she was the same age, and she would have been a de
>> Mello or Barboza, not a Lima.
>>
>> So is it possible that the first Maria was listed as my grandmother, but
>> would in fact be the cousin?
>>
>> And if this is the correct record, my grandmother would have had a little
>> brother, also named Joao?
>>
>> Thanks for you assistance!
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First time researching Tombo.pt records (Fontinhas of Terceira)

Samantha,

I don't have time to translate it for you, but if you go to the Azores
GenWeb you can find the info. The Azores GenWeb is a BIG deal and you
should bookmark it.

Here's the direct link on the Azores GenWeb for translations:
https://goo.gl/P7hNxI

It starts out with key words and explains everything. At the bottom is a
link that takes you to some examples. Print out the HANDWRITTEN baptism and
its translation. I believe I translated it line by line. It's the 3rd time
period, same one that you are researching. Then go back to your baptism and
utilize that list of key words.

You don't need to translate every word. You just need to be able to extract
the names and dates to start. You can post those to the list and others
will review your work. This way, you won't burn out the translators. They
are more likely to help those who help themselves.

Also, when posting the CCA image URLif the record is numbered, say it's
record 27, bottom right. Helps save time. And once you get real good at
them, you may only want a few words. It helps to say it's the 10th line
down or the 5th line from the bottom.
Good luck, Cheri

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On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Samantha B  wrote:

> Thanks Cheri :) I went back and looked this up a minute after I posted
> this original question and worked it out. Any hey presto I found him :)
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> PV-FONTINHAS-B-1870-1879/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-B-1870-1879_item1/P84.html
>
> Unfortunately my Portuguese is non existent (though I'm already getting
> better at reading the cursive lol). However this is the Joaquim from the
> marriage entry and it does match the birth year of his grandfather.
>
> I would greatly appreciate any help in translating/understanding this
> record. :)
>
> Next is finding a passport to confirm that this Joaquim is, in fact, the
> same as my husband's grandfather who travelled in 1906 on the SS Brooklyn.
>
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 9:51:55 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> No that's not it.
>>
>> If you don't know how the Azores is organized, you are not utilizing the
>> how to article or the Azores Genweb. The maps section shows it to you, with
>> color coded maps. Pick the map section from the home page:
>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>
>> Or just go to Tombo.pt and type in the FREGUESIA. You will find out that
>> the church is NOT Nossa Senhora do Pilar nor is it in the council of Angra.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Samantha B  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all (the newbie is back)
>>>
>>> I'm still on the hunt for my husband's grandfather Joaquim Benedicto.
>>> I'm specifically looking for a baptism record for him from about 1874. He
>>> (hopefully, it's him) "from Fontinhas of Terceira ... and is ... the
>>> legitimate son of Benedicto Antonio native of Altares and Maria Delfina
>>> native of Nossa Senhora da Piedade of Pico."
>>>
>>> My first question is, would I be looking through tombo.pt Acores ->
>>> Terceira -> Angra do Heroismo -> Nossa Senhora do Pilar? (If there were
>>> records which doesn't seem the case here.)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Samantha
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?



On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:03:54 AM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>I've been going page by page from about 1904 onwards looking for my 
> parternal grandmather, Maria Lima.   It's been great looking at these 
> records for those years from Porto Delgada, because whomever was writing 
> the logs had the clearest handwriting I've seen so far.  I think I found 
> her, but they weren't listed as coming from Ribeira Quente.  I'm assuming 
> this is a mistake, as they just did an ellipses from the person above them 
> rather than to write the correct town down.  
>
> So on line 675 here:  
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907_item1/P114.html
>
> I see the passport for Francisca Roza de Mello, whose parents were Manuel 
> de Mello Barboza and Maria Julia.
> The next line down is a Maria da Lima, with her parents listed, Joao 
> Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Roza.
>
> The line after that is another Maria Lima, who would be the right age for 
> my grandmother, who was born in 1890.  I can't read the middle name listed 
> there, and now there are two Marias there.  Looking at my family tree, 
> Manuel had a brother Jose who also married a Francesca and their daughter 
> was Maria, but I thought she was the same age, and she would have been a de 
> Mello or Barboza, not a Lima.  
>
> So is it possible that the first Maria was listed as my grandmother, but 
> would in fact be the cousin?
>
> And if this is the correct record, my grandmother would have had a little 
> brother, also named Joao?
>
> Thanks for you assistance!
>
> Elaine
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

Elaine, it is too coincidental if all names and ages match your family??
One thing is for certain, this group is from Ponta Delgada.  There could be
no mistake because it was all based on providing proof of birth and filing
an application to obtain a passport.

You mentioned going back to check the birth records.  Can you post your
Maria's birth record here from Ribeira Quente, please.  Also What time
frame are you working with for the passports? Do you know approximate date
of their arrival in the USA?




On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Elaine Mello  wrote:

> Hi Mara,
>
>   Francesca would be Maria's mother, which is why I identified this record
> as possibly being them, since the ages match up for both Maria and her
> mother.  I wasn't aware of a sibling, but it looks like there was at least
> one Joao, so I will go back into the birth records to see if I can find
> him.  I'm not sure if his age is 12 or 14 there, but it's somewhere there.
> As Francesca's husband (Joao Ignacio Lima) is not listed,I went back and it
> looks like he came over May 6th of that same year (found via NY passenger
> records) and they came over in July.
>
>The other Maria who was 20 is the one that must be a relative on the
> Lima side, I guess, if it wasn't a mistake that was made in the records.
>
> Elaine
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Hi Elaine,
>>
>> This record is for Francisca Rosa de Melo, as you noted, passport # 675
>> travelling with her children (named below) who are all natives of Sao
>> Roque, Ponta Delgada.  If your Maria de Lima is from Ribeira Quente, these
>> are not your family.
>>
>> The two (2) sisters you see, one is named Maria the other Maria do Carmo.
>>
>> The dot and bracket is an internal record keeping thing, not related to
>> the family (s) in this case.
>>
>> Do you know the parents names for your Maria de Lima?
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Humor

Judy Russell, The Legal Genealogist, wrote about this other blogger in one
of her posts.

Kerry Scott is another genealogist with a blog. In this particular post,
she writes about "Ancestor Hate Mail" where she pretends to write angry
letters to her ancestors. Some of the cultures she writes about are like
ours: same name for multiple children, naming a baby Jose after the other
Jose has died, etc.

So if you are in for a good laugh, you'll want to read this:
https://goo.gl/K3kzSl

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

Hi Mara,

  Francesca would be Maria's mother, which is why I identified this record 
as possibly being them, since the ages match up for both Maria and her 
mother.  I wasn't aware of a sibling, but it looks like there was at least 
one Joao, so I will go back into the birth records to see if I can find 
him.  I'm not sure if his age is 12 or 14 there, but it's somewhere there. 
 As Francesca's husband (Joao Ignacio Lima) is not listed,I went back and 
it looks like he came over May 6th of that same year (found via NY 
passenger records) and they came over in July. 

   The other Maria who was 20 is the one that must be a relative on the 
Lima side, I guess, if it wasn't a mistake that was made in the records.

Elaine 

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> Hi Elaine,
>
> This record is for Francisca Rosa de Melo, as you noted, passport # 675 
> travelling with her children (named below) who are all natives of Sao 
> Roque, Ponta Delgada.  If your Maria de Lima is from Ribeira Quente, these 
> are not your family.
>
> The two (2) sisters you see, one is named Maria the other Maria do Carmo.
>
> The dot and bracket is an internal record keeping thing, not related to 
> the family (s) in this case. 
>
> Do you know the parents names for your Maria de Lima?
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA is back up!

2016-12-09 Thread LouieLouieOhOh

Woopee!

On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 2:26:06 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I just checked...the CCA is back online. Happy hunting!
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA site

2016-12-09 Thread Paul

Cheri,

That's exactly what I did. Started typing ftdna on the address bar then 
clicked the option for the site. I then saved it as a "favorite" on my IPad.

Paul G.


On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 12:05:54 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Paul G, Are you doing something weird, like my dad would??? LOL
>
> Just type: ftdna into the URL/address bar. Hold Ctrl and press Enter 
> (keyboard shortcut for adding the www before and the .com at the end).
>  [image: Inline image 1] 
> See that up there? I just type in ftdna and do the keyboard shortcut. If I 
> want Home Depot, I just type homedepot and do the Ctrl+Enter key. 
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Paul  
> wrote:
>
>> Finally I was able to get on. Just started typing in FTDNA (like doing a 
>> search) and clicked on the option for the site. Interesting.
>>
>> Paul G.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

2016-12-09 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel

I very much doubt that the passport officials made an error in writing the town 
they were from. Persons applying for passports provided proof of who they were, 
most likely a certificate issued by their parish from their baptism record.

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Elaine Mello
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 8:04 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

Hi everyone,

   I've been going page by page from about 1904 onwards looking for my 
parternal grandmather, Maria Lima.   It's been great looking at these records 
for those years from Porto Delgada, because whomever was writing the logs had 
the clearest handwriting I've seen so far.  I think I found her, but they 
weren't listed as coming from Ribeira Quente.  I'm assuming this is a mistake, 
as they just did an ellipses from the person above them rather than to write 
the correct town down.  

So on line 675 here:  
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907_item1/P114.html

I see the passport for Francisca Roza de Mello, whose parents were Manuel de 
Mello Barboza and Maria Julia.

The next line down is a Maria da Lima, with her parents listed, Joao Ignacio de 
Lima and Francisca Roza.

The line after that is another Maria Lima, who would be the right age for my 
grandmother, who was born in 1890.  I can't read the middle name listed there, 
and now there are two Marias there.  Looking at my family tree, Manuel had a 
brother Jose who also married a Francesca and their daughter was Maria, but I 
thought she was the same age, and she would have been a de Mello or Barboza, 
not a Lima.  

So is it possible that the first Maria was listed as my grandmother, but would 
in fact be the cousin?

And if this is the correct record, my grandmother would have had a little 
brother, also named Joao?

Thanks for you assistance!

Elaine

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

2016-12-09 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel

Looking at the record. Francisco Rosa de Mello is the son of Manuel de Mello 
Barbosa and Maria Julia he is 50 years old and a widower.

Maria de Lima age 20, Maria do Coracao de Lima age 17 and Joao Ignacio de Lima 
age 14 are the children of Jose Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Rosa they are all 
single and all are from Sao Roque.  

What I see in this record is Francisco Rosa de Mello is most likely a relative 
the three minors and is accompanying them most likely to join their parents.

 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Elaine Mello
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 8:04 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

 

Hi everyone,

 

   I've been going page by page from about 1904 onwards looking for my 
parternal grandmather, Maria Lima.   It's been great looking at these records 
for those years from Porto Delgada, because whomever was writing the logs had 
the clearest handwriting I've seen so far.  I think I found her, but they 
weren't listed as coming from Ribeira Quente.  I'm assuming this is a mistake, 
as they just did an ellipses from the person above them rather than to write 
the correct town down.  

 

So on line 675 here:  
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907_item1/P114.html

 

I see the passport for Francisca Roza de Mello, whose parents were Manuel de 
Mello Barboza and Maria Julia.

The next line down is a Maria da Lima, with her parents listed, Joao Ignacio de 
Lima and Francisca Roza.

 

The line after that is another Maria Lima, who would be the right age for my 
grandmother, who was born in 1890.  I can't read the middle name listed there, 
and now there are two Marias there.  Looking at my family tree, Manuel had a 
brother Jose who also married a Francesca and their daughter was Maria, but I 
thought she was the same age, and she would have been a de Mello or Barboza, 
not a Lima.  

 

So is it possible that the first Maria was listed as my grandmother, but would 
in fact be the cousin?

 

And if this is the correct record, my grandmother would have had a little 
brother, also named Joao?

 

Thanks for you assistance!

 

Elaine

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?

2016-12-09 Thread Philippe Garnier

Hi Elaine,

Maria de Lima, Maria do Carmo Luisa and Joao Inacio de Lima are brothers. 
Possibly children of the Francisca Rosa de Melo, daughetr of Manoel de Melo 
Barbosa e Maria Julia. And wife of Joao Inacio de Lima.
 Best regrads

Philippe Garnier
Paris - France

http://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira

Le vendredi 9 décembre 2016 14:03:54 UTC+1, Elaine Mello a écrit :
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>I've been going page by page from about 1904 onwards looking for my 
> parternal grandmather, Maria Lima.   It's been great looking at these 
> records for those years from Porto Delgada, because whomever was writing 
> the logs had the clearest handwriting I've seen so far.  I think I found 
> her, but they weren't listed as coming from Ribeira Quente.  I'm assuming 
> this is a mistake, as they just did an ellipses from the person above them 
> rather than to write the correct town down.  
>
> So on line 675 here:  
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907_item1/P114.html
>
> I see the passport for Francisca Roza de Mello, whose parents were Manuel 
> de Mello Barboza and Maria Julia.
> The next line down is a Maria da Lima, with her parents listed, Joao 
> Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Roza.
>
> The line after that is another Maria Lima, who would be the right age for 
> my grandmother, who was born in 1890.  I can't read the middle name listed 
> there, and now there are two Marias there.  Looking at my family tree, 
> Manuel had a brother Jose who also married a Francesca and their daughter 
> was Maria, but I thought she was the same age, and she would have been a de 
> Mello or Barboza, not a Lima.  
>
> So is it possible that the first Maria was listed as my grandmother, but 
> would in fact be the cousin?
>
> And if this is the correct record, my grandmother would have had a little 
> brother, also named Joao?
>
> Thanks for you assistance!
>
> Elaine
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: First time researching Tombo.pt records (Fontinhas of Terceira)

2016-12-09 Thread Philippe Garnier

Hi Samantha,

NS do Pilar da Ilha Terceira is Parish of  Ribeiras.

Best regards

Philippe Garnier
Paris - France

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Le vendredi 9 décembre 2016 06:45:46 UTC+1, Samantha B a écrit :
>
> Hi all (the newbie is back)
>
> I'm still on the hunt for my husband's grandfather Joaquim Benedicto. I'm 
> specifically looking for a baptism record for him from about 1874. He 
> (hopefully, it's him) "from Fontinhas of Terceira ... and is ... the 
> legitimate son of Benedicto Antonio native of Altares and Maria Delfina 
> native of Nossa Senhora da Piedade of Pico."
>
> My first question is, would I be looking through tombo.pt Acores -> 
> Terceira -> Angra do Heroismo -> Nossa Senhora do Pilar? (If there were 
> records which doesn't seem the case here.)
>
> Thanks
> Samantha
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First time researching Tombo.pt records (Fontinhas of Terceira)

2016-12-09 Thread Samantha B

Thanks Cheri :) I went back and looked this up a minute after I posted this 
original question and worked it out. Any hey presto I found him :)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-B-1870-1879/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-B-1870-1879_item1/P84.html

Unfortunately my Portuguese is non existent (though I'm already getting 
better at reading the cursive lol). However this is the Joaquim from the 
marriage entry and it does match the birth year of his grandfather.

I would greatly appreciate any help in translating/understanding this 
record. :)

Next is finding a passport to confirm that this Joaquim is, in fact, the 
same as my husband's grandfather who travelled in 1906 on the SS Brooklyn.


On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 9:51:55 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> No that's not it.
>
> If you don't know how the Azores is organized, you are not utilizing the 
> how to article or the Azores Genweb. The maps section shows it to you, with 
> color coded maps. Pick the map section from the home page: 
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> Or just go to Tombo.pt and type in the FREGUESIA. You will find out that 
> the church is NOT Nossa Senhora do Pilar nor is it in the council of Angra.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Samantha B  > wrote:
>
>> Hi all (the newbie is back)
>>
>> I'm still on the hunt for my husband's grandfather Joaquim Benedicto. I'm 
>> specifically looking for a baptism record for him from about 1874. He 
>> (hopefully, it's him) "from Fontinhas of Terceira ... and is ... the 
>> legitimate son of Benedicto Antonio native of Altares and Maria Delfina 
>> native of Nossa Senhora da Piedade of Pico."
>>
>> My first question is, would I be looking through tombo.pt Acores -> 
>> Terceira -> Angra do Heroismo -> Nossa Senhora do Pilar? (If there were 
>> records which doesn't seem the case here.)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Samantha
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

Elaine,
This is the technique I use when hunting through the Sao Miguel Passaportes:
Scroll down the Concelho column in page 2, looking for the council of
Povoacao. When you see one, check to see if the freguesia is Ribeira
Quente. If it is, then check the person's name to see if it's your Maria
Lima. It will go much, much faster that way than looking at every single
Maria that left from the port of Ponta Delgada.

The U.S. Censuses asked for year of immigration. Although it may be off, it
should give you a range to work with. She is mostly likely leaving the
Azores and immigrating under the name of Maria da __, without her last
name, so don't discount those Marias who are listed as just first and
middle name only.

Good luck! Cheri



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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Hi Elaine,
>
> This record is for Francisca Rosa de Melo, as you noted, passport # 675
> travelling with her children (named below) who are all natives of Sao
> Roque, Ponta Delgada.  If your Maria de Lima is from Ribeira Quente, these
> are not your family.
>
> The two (2) sisters you see, one is named Maria the other Maria do Carmo.
>
> The dot and bracket is an internal record keeping thing, not related to
> the family (s) in this case.
>
> Do you know the parents names for your Maria de Lima?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Elaine Mello  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>I've been going page by page from about 1904 onwards looking for my
>> parternal grandmather, Maria Lima.   It's been great looking at these
>> records for those years from Porto Delgada, because whomever was writing
>> the logs had the clearest handwriting I've seen so far.  I think I found
>> her, but they weren't listed as coming from Ribeira Quente.  I'm assuming
>> this is a mistake, as they just did an ellipses from the person above them
>> rather than to write the correct town down.
>>
>> So on line 675 here:  http://www.culturacores.azore
>> s.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907/
>> PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907_item1/P114.html
>>
>> I see the passport for Francisca Roza de Mello, whose parents were Manuel
>> de Mello Barboza and Maria Julia.
>> The next line down is a Maria da Lima, with her parents listed, Joao
>> Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Roza.
>>
>> The line after that is another Maria Lima, who would be the right age for
>> my grandmother, who was born in 1890.  I can't read the middle name listed
>> there, and now there are two Marias there.  Looking at my family tree,
>> Manuel had a brother Jose who also married a Francesca and their daughter
>> was Maria, but I thought she was the same age, and she would have been a de
>> Mello or Barboza, not a Lima.
>>
>> So is it possible that the first Maria was listed as my grandmother, but
>> would in fact be the cousin?
>>
>> And if this is the correct record, my grandmother would have had a little
>> brother, also named Joao?
>>
>> Thanks for you assistance!
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

Hi Elaine,

This record is for Francisca Rosa de Melo, as you noted, passport # 675
travelling with her children (named below) who are all natives of Sao
Roque, Ponta Delgada.  If your Maria de Lima is from Ribeira Quente, these
are not your family.

The two (2) sisters you see, one is named Maria the other Maria do Carmo.

The dot and bracket is an internal record keeping thing, not related to the
family (s) in this case.

Do you know the parents names for your Maria de Lima?


On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Elaine Mello  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
>I've been going page by page from about 1904 onwards looking for my
> parternal grandmather, Maria Lima.   It's been great looking at these
> records for those years from Porto Delgada, because whomever was writing
> the logs had the clearest handwriting I've seen so far.  I think I found
> her, but they weren't listed as coming from Ribeira Quente.  I'm assuming
> this is a mistake, as they just did an ellipses from the person above them
> rather than to write the correct town down.
>
> So on line 675 here:  http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
> digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-
> 1907_item1/P114.html
>
> I see the passport for Francisca Roza de Mello, whose parents were Manuel
> de Mello Barboza and Maria Julia.
> The next line down is a Maria da Lima, with her parents listed, Joao
> Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Roza.
>
> The line after that is another Maria Lima, who would be the right age for
> my grandmother, who was born in 1890.  I can't read the middle name listed
> there, and now there are two Marias there.  Looking at my family tree,
> Manuel had a brother Jose who also married a Francesca and their daughter
> was Maria, but I thought she was the same age, and she would have been a de
> Mello or Barboza, not a Lima.
>
> So is it possible that the first Maria was listed as my grandmother, but
> would in fact be the cousin?
>
> And if this is the correct record, my grandmother would have had a little
> brother, also named Joao?
>
> Thanks for you assistance!
>
> Elaine
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?