Stus-List Baby stay vs new headsail

[Peter McMinn via CnC-List]

We’ve been sailing this summer with two exhausted composite headsails (110&125) 
purchased with our 37, Sirius.

The leeches on both sails reveal a tortured  past with the babystay. With a new 
Precision tiradial 120 coming over winter, we’re practicing tacks with no 
babystay contact, backwinding lightly to pull the sail over.

Improvement needed.

For those of you with babystays, what strategies do you employ to avoid sail 
contact with the stay and/or minimizing damage?

I’ll search archives, too. Thx
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Just one of the many reasons i chose an “older” C 35 MKII no baby stay
tree trunk mast keel stepped single spreaders double lowers fore and aft
easy to tune and keep tuned. Very well built boat heavy and strong non
cored hull and thick too. Besides I love the classic Cutherbertson design
shear lines and the ample use of interior teak. Beamier 36 foot boats like
the Catilina 36TM offer more interior space and have a similar rig but I
prefer the sleek lines of my boat and she’s pretty darn quick if i do say
so myself. A joy to sail

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 11:06 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My boat came with a baby stay on a Schaeffer track. I replaced the track
> with a Harken high profile track and a Harken traveler car. I can snug it
> by hand, but I can also lead it to a spinnaker halyard winch through a
> Lewmar clutch. In light air, I release the clutch, and push the BS back to
> the mast. when racing in heavy air, and on the ocean, I tension the BS. It
> prevents mast pumping, and it helps to flatten the main in heavy iar.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 6:47 PM, schiller via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> I agree.  I sited up the mast on Glenn Gambel's C 36 during the Queens
>> cup race and notice how much the mast was pumping.  I tightened the baby
>> stay as much as I could without using a winch and it quieted down
>> significantly.
>>
>> I was not very familiar with a baby stay with our Redwing 35.  It had
>> dual lowers and a tree trunk mast.
>>
>> Our C 35-3 has a baby stay without a track and car.  It is one of the
>> things that I have contemplated adding.  I have never felt that the mast
>> was pumping an it.  Having been dis-masted, some of the people that I
>> talked with during repair discussion said that they have dealt with mast
>> pumping failures (not on C's).
>>
>> Neil Schiller
>> 1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
>> Whitehall, Michigan
>> WLYC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

My boat came with a baby stay on a Schaeffer track. I replaced the track
with a Harken high profile track and a Harken traveler car. I can snug it
by hand, but I can also lead it to a spinnaker halyard winch through a
Lewmar clutch. In light air, I release the clutch, and push the BS back to
the mast. when racing in heavy air, and on the ocean, I tension the BS. It
prevents mast pumping, and it helps to flatten the main in heavy iar.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 6:47 PM, schiller via CnC-List  wrote:

> John,
>
> I agree.  I sited up the mast on Glenn Gambel's C 36 during the Queens
> cup race and notice how much the mast was pumping.  I tightened the baby
> stay as much as I could without using a winch and it quieted down
> significantly.
>
> I was not very familiar with a baby stay with our Redwing 35.  It had dual
> lowers and a tree trunk mast.
>
> Our C 35-3 has a baby stay without a track and car.  It is one of the
> things that I have contemplated adding.  I have never felt that the mast
> was pumping an it.  Having been dis-masted, some of the people that I
> talked with during repair discussion said that they have dealt with mast
> pumping failures (not on C's).
>
> Neil Schiller
> 1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
> Whitehall, Michigan
> WLYC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay

[schiller via CnC-List]

John,

I agree.  I sited up the mast on Glenn Gambel's C 36 during the Queens 
cup race and notice how much the mast was pumping.  I tightened the baby 
stay as much as I could without using a winch and it quieted down 
significantly.


I was not very familiar with a baby stay with our Redwing 35.  It had 
dual lowers and a tree trunk mast.


Our C 35-3 has a baby stay without a track and car.  It is one of the 
things that I have contemplated adding.  I have never felt that the mast 
was pumping an it.  Having been dis-masted, some of the people that I 
talked with during repair discussion said that they have dealt with mast 
pumping failures (not on C's).


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 11/8/2018 9:09 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List wrote:


I find the baby stay is an essential part for controlling mast pumping 
and flattening the mainsail especially when racing.  I was amazed at 
how much the mast pumped without the baby stay when going to windward 
in 15 knots apparent and one to two foot seas.  Just lie on the deck 
and look up the mast and you can easily see how much it moves with 
corresponding impact on the main sail shape.  The baby stay eliminates 
all that movement so the main sail maintains its shape and flattens it 
as well.  We found it helped boat speed.  Yes it requires crew to get 
the genoa past it when tacking and one more thing to keep track of but 
isn’t sailing and racing a continuous process of adjustments?


2 cents American

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT



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Re: Stus-List Baby stay

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

I find the baby stay is an essential part for controlling mast pumping and 
flattening the mainsail especially when racing.  I was amazed at how much the 
mast pumped without the baby stay when going to windward in 15 knots apparent 
and one to two foot seas.  Just lie on the deck and look up the mast and you 
can easily see how much it moves with corresponding impact on the main sail 
shape.  The baby stay eliminates all that movement so the main sail maintains 
its shape and flattens it as well.  We found it helped boat speed.  Yes it 
requires crew to get the genoa past it when tacking and one more thing to keep 
track of but isn’t sailing and racing a continuous process of adjustments?

 

2 cents American

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Re: Stus-List Baby stay

[Bailey White via CnC-List]

My experience in the 1990s when I first started racing keelboats in San
Francisco Bay was that everyone took off their baby stays for the reasons
people have already shared on this list.  I never saw a problem on Santa
Cruz, Olson, boats.

My 36-1 has the baby stay removed and has been fine, though sailing on Lake
Lanier in Georgia is not a hard core test of boat slamming waves.

Thank you to everyone who gave me great info on the rudder squeak. I'm
looking forward to visiting the boat this weekend to investigate exactly
what it has based on your recommendations.

Bailey
1979 C 36
Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay (bs) bs

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

Wade,

Once we went to In-Line shrouds as opposed to double lowers, the baby stay was 
introduced to tension the mast forward  . . .

With experience, most boats were able to eliminate the use of the baby stay if 
you had even a small amount of pre-bend aft.  We couldn’t rely on you setting 
the mast up that way, so it was standard across the board.

The only worry without one is a reverse bend, which is counteracted by initial 
prebend  . . . And when you are in really big waves and the mast is pumping . . 
.

So, the most common practice is/was to not use it, but have it still clipped to 
the mast so when the big waves come, you are ready . . .


Cheers,   Rob Ball  C 34
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay (bs) bs

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

Hi Rob,

are you speaking specifically of C 34's in this comment?  My boat is a 33
MKII and I wonder if I might be able to do without my baby stay?   I am 80%
cruiser, 20% racer on Lake of the Woods in Ontario so big seas are not
something I have to deal with.  What would I sacrifice without the baby
stay?

many thanks,
Wade
Oh Boy, C 33 MKII
Lake of the Woods

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 7:29 AM Rob Ball via CnC-List 
wrote:

> We supplied the boats with Baby Stays, knowing that the mast could be
> tuned with a bit of bend so that it was not needed.  However, when the boat
> was brand new, on the first sail, and not tuned yet, things could go
> south.  So, we kept them on the boats.
>
> In a violent seaway they do stabilize a pumping mast . . . .
>
>
>
> Rob BallC 34
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay upgrade

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

That was a long time ago, but here’s my best recollection:

Looking on-line, I believe we used a high-load Wichard head thimble shackle -- 
the kind with the blue plastic to hold the spliced eye.  I had the eye 
professionally spliced by Rigging Only.  As I recall, the pin was undersized 
for the mast fitting, so I added a bronze bushing to take up the space.  In 
addition, even though we used low stretch line, Rigging Only did something 
additional to pre-stretch it.  As I recall we used a standard snap shackle at 
the deck, which was probably the weak link (as was the case with the original 
wire stay).  While I was at it, I also upgraded the baby stay track on the deck 
(which was beat) to a Schaefer mainsail traveler track and car – very robust.  
Schaefer sold me some undrilled track so I could match the holes.  You can 
probably get something similar (and less expensive) from Garhauer.

Although not used very often, the system worked well.  The line was easily 
capable of handling the load, and the babystay was taut about a third of the 
way down the track.  We had very solid tension at the half-way point.

I did this upgrade before non-steel standing rigging was readily available.  My 
guess is that there are a lot more options now.

From: Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 11:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Pete Shelquist 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa sheets

Matthew-  what did you use for a mast fitting at the top of your babystay line?

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Re: Stus-List Baby stay (bs) bs

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Wow! Thank you Rob; This is one of the most amazing things I have learned from 
this list; I have defended the babystay to jib trimmers ad nauseam over the 
years under the premise that "C put them on there...they must be required"; 
We sail on a river, so we do not get the heavy pumping situations.  so now I'll 
have to find another reason!
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; 
Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
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Cc: Rob Ball 
Sent: Thu, Nov 8, 2018 8:29 am
Subject: Stus-List Baby stay (bs) bs

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{} --We supplied the boats with Baby Stays, knowing that the mast could be 
tuned with a bit of bend so that it was not needed.  However, when the boat was 
brand new, on the first sail, and not tuned yet, things could go south.  So, we 
kept them on the boats. In a violent seaway they do stabilize a pumping mast . 
. . .    Rob Ball    C 34 ___

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Stus-List Baby stay (bs) bs

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

We supplied the boats with Baby Stays, knowing that the mast could be tuned 
with a bit of bend so that it was not needed.  However, when the boat was brand 
new, on the first sail, and not tuned yet, things could go south.  So, we kept 
them on the boats.
In a violent seaway they do stabilize a pumping mast . . . .

Rob BallC 34
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Stus-List Baby stay (bs) bs

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

My 1995 XL/kcb was originally fit with baby stays, which as others have noted 
are generally a big PITA. However, since they ‘came as standard’ on my boat, 
who was I to think that they were not essential—I am hardly a naval 
architect/engineer or otherwise qualified to question their necessity.

Fortunately, a former sail maker and America’s Cup competitor had a good look 
at my rig when I purchased sails from him. He noticed that my 3 spreaders were 
aligned athwartship, perpendicular to and aligned port and starboard 
perpendicular to the mast. Further, the boat is rigged with runners and 
check-stays and a non-telephone pole, relatively ‘bendy’ OffShore mast. The 
spreader alignment did not support the need for a baby stay while the check 
stays and runners provides for mast stiffening without the baby stay.

He recommended removing the baby stay as it was unnecessary as well as a PITA. 
Further, it’s role in preventing ‘pumping’ fore and aft of the mast MAY be 
useful in some offshore conditions but my sailing/racing is not offshore and if 
conditions are such that the mast begins to pump, my racing is over and the 
sails are reduced or replaced by the iron genny.

IMHO, either for marketing and/or to use a similar rig in a racer/cruiser (36 
XL) and/or to save design costs that had been already used for a racer (36 R), 
C put the 3 spreader rig for the 36R on the 36XL without change (except 
perhaps for mast height). 

Of course, my opinions above could be totally wrong regarding the reasons for a 
baby stay on the XL and maybe the XL+. However, I firmly believe that it is not 
necessary on my 36XL/kcb. 

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb




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Re: Stus-List baby stay

[Brad Crawford via CnC-List]

Well said, I agree

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 6:10 AM, robert via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My 1984 C 32 has a very robust mast.as was stated "more like an 
> aluminum telephone pole",  nevertheless Rob Ball decided to outfit the rig 
> with a baby stay and for that reason, it stays on the boat.  It is a PITA 
> when tacking but you get to know your boat and learn how to make efficient 
> tacks by back winding the genoa to avoid the sail catching on the baby stay.  
> 
> I am confident that the boat would perform fine without the baby stay on most 
> day sails but since it is there, it will be attached and tensioned.  Maybe on 
> these rigs, the baby stay helps to induce 'rake' on these otherwise 'aluminum 
> telephone poles'.
> 
> There was another C 32 84 at our club whose owner took the baby stay off 
> completely and he didn't appear to have any issues with his rig.
> 
> If I had one of the C models with the bendy masts, 3 spreaders, etc. I 
> would definitely keep the baby stay tensioned.  We raced a 34R for several 
> years and I can assure you that boat benefited from a tensioned baby stay. 
> 
> So for me, if the boat designer thought a baby stay was needed, then I will 
> use it.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S. 
> 
>> On 2017-10-25 10:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List wrote:
>> I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the adjustable 
>> babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of 
>> the season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the 
>> clutch, and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.  
>> Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and 
>> actively use the baby stay.
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C 35-III #11
>>> On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
>>> Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby 
>>> stay to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary 
>>> on your boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed 
>>> in a Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely 
>>> requires it you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if 
>>> your spreaders are not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more 
>>> like aluminum telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby 
>>> stay notwithstanding. My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively 
>>> bendy mast. The spreaders are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans 
>>> to ever take her seriously off-shore and I sail/race in the protected 
>>> waters of the NC sounds and the PITA the baby stay is in tacking upwind and 
>>> removing it for flying the kite, my sailmaker recommend it's removal, which 
>>> I did and have never looked back. Now if I planned to go offshore, I would 
>>> put it back on board for the SOLE reason of preventing mast pumping fore 
>>> and aft--that is one gravity storm I prefer to miss!
>>> Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use mandatory 
>>> but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize mast 
>>> pumping fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in 
>>> protected waters and  have never missed it (but the attachment below and 
>>> rod as well as the rolled up stay are kept on board anyway!
>>> 
>>> FWIW
>>> 
>>> Charlie Nelson
>>> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
>>> Water Phantom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then 
 attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the 
 v-berth area. I don't have a track on mine.
 
 If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a 
 lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's  
 left if there really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much 
 glass I would need to cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be.
 
 I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud welded 
 together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?
 
 Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's 
 in the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do.
 
 Thanks,
 Kevin
 
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring, 
> and dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it. 
> Would serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, 
> but look around at what is possible since probably would be done this way 
> today on a new boat. Cheaper, 

Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

My baby stay is on a track.  We tension it with winds above fifteen knots.
We race with a 105% genoa.  When hoisting a spinnaker, my crew releases the
baby stay to do dip pole gybes.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Graham,
>
>
>
> We release the baby stay any time the #1 is in use.   The rest of the time
> it is tensioned, even in the slip.  When the #3 is up, it tacks cleanly
> through the foretriangle.  I have seen the mast pump before and know the
> benefits of the baby stay.  It’s seldom used on the Chesapeake, but it
> definitely serves a purpose.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *G
> Collins via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 21:22
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* G Collins <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34
>
>
>
> I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the
> adjustable babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the
> beginning of the season and then at some random time during the summer
> someone kicks the clutch, and eventually I discover that it isn't
> tensioned.
>
> Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and
> actively use the baby stay.
>
> Graham Collins
>
> Secret Plans
>
> C 35-III #11
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Graham,

 

We release the baby stay any time the #1 is in use.   The rest of the time it 
is tensioned, even in the slip.  When the #3 is up, it tacks cleanly through 
the foretriangle.  I have seen the mast pump before and know the benefits of 
the baby stay.  It’s seldom used on the Chesapeake, but it definitely serves a 
purpose.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA



 

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

 

I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the adjustable 
babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of the 
season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the clutch, 
and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.  

Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and 
actively use the baby stay.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

 

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[patricia barkley-higginbottom via CnC-List]

Baby stay. Yes, a nuisance when we race both from the interference tacking 
with a 155 genoa and playing with a whisker pole downwind - we race NFS. So 
it is disconnected while sailing and the sole purpose is to inhibit pumping 
at the dock , which can be quite pronounced and somewhat alarming when you 
first see it happen.

Harold
Celtic Spirit 35-3 KB
Hamilton, ON


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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:56:31 -0400
From: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net>
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Subject: Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34
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I rarely used the baby stay on my 34 ? only when venturing out into the lake 
(Erie) with waves over 3-4 feet.  However, like insurance, you only need it 
when you need it ? and then you really need it.  It should be fixed 
properly, whatever that entails.


From: G Collins via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: G Collins
Subject: Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the adjustable 
babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of 
the season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the 
clutch, and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.



Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and 
actively use the baby stay.



Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:

 Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby 
stay to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary 
on your boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed 
in a Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely 
requires it you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if 
your spreaders are not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more 
like aluminum telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby stay 
notwithstanding. My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively bendy 
mast. The spreaders are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans to ever 
take her seriously off-shore and I sail/race in the protected waters of the 
NC sounds and the PITA the baby stay is in tacking upwind and removing it 
for flying the kite, my sailmaker recommend it's removal, which I did and 
have never looked back. Now if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back 
on board for the S
 Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use 
mandatory but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize 
mast pumping fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in 
protected waters and  have never missed it (but the attachment below and rod 
as well as the rolled up stay are kept on board anyway!


 FWIW

 Charlie Nelson
 1995 C 36XL/kcb
 Water Phantom


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



   My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then 
attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth 
area. I don't have a track on mine.


   If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a 
lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's 
left if there really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much 
glass I would need to cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be.


   I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud 
welded together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?


   Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's 
in the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do.


   Thanks,
   Kevin




   On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


 Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring, 
and dyneema? Wou

Re: Stus-List baby stay

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Rob,

 

I have one of those bendy masts with 3 spreaders and contemplated removing
the baby stay.  Rather than find out it was really needed at an inopportune
time, I installed a 4' PVC tube with a cap from a turnbuckle boot over the
stay.  The jib sheets are less likely to snag on the stay.  Better but not
perfect.

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C 37+

Bristol, RI

 <mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:10 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List baby stay

 

My 1984 C 32 has a very robust mast.as was stated "more like an
aluminum telephone pole",  nevertheless Rob Ball decided to outfit the rig
with a baby stay and for that reason, it stays on the boat.  It is a PITA
when tacking but you get to know your boat and learn how to make efficient
tacks by back winding the genoa to avoid the sail catching on the baby stay.


I am confident that the boat would perform fine without the baby stay on
most day sails but since it is there, it will be attached and tensioned.
Maybe on these rigs, the baby stay helps to induce 'rake' on these otherwise
'aluminum telephone poles'.

There was another C 32 84 at our club whose owner took the baby stay off
completely and he didn't appear to have any issues with his rig.

If I had one of the C models with the bendy masts, 3 spreaders, etc. I
would definitely keep the baby stay tensioned.  We raced a 34R for several
years and I can assure you that boat benefited from a tensioned baby stay. 

So for me, if the boat designer thought a baby stay was needed, then I will
use it.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S. 

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[robert via CnC-List]

My 1984 C 32 has a very robust mast.as was stated "more like an 
aluminum telephone pole",  nevertheless Rob Ball decided to outfit the 
rig with a baby stay and for that reason, it stays on the boat.  It is a 
PITA when tacking but you get to know your boat and learn how to make 
efficient tacks by back winding the genoa to avoid the sail catching on 
the baby stay.


I am confident that the boat would perform fine without the baby stay on 
most day sails but since it is there, it will be attached and 
tensioned.  Maybe on these rigs, the baby stay helps to induce 'rake' on 
these otherwise 'aluminum telephone poles'.


There was another C 32 84 at our club whose owner took the baby stay 
off completely and he didn't appear to have any issues with his rig.


If I had one of the C models with the bendy masts, 3 spreaders, etc. I 
would definitely keep the baby stay tensioned.  We raced a 34R for 
several years and I can assure you that boat benefited from a tensioned 
baby stay.


So for me, if the boat designer thought a baby stay was needed, then I 
will use it.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-10-25 10:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List wrote:


I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the 
adjustable babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at 
the beginning of the season and then at some random time during the 
summer someone kicks the clutch, and eventually I discover that it 
isn't tensioned.


Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have 
and actively use the baby stay.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11
On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your 
baby stay to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis 
it necessary on your boat? While I am not a naval architect and have 
not recently stayed in a Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 
'bendy' and absolutely requires it you might be able to 
"...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if your spreaders are not swept 
aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more like aluminum 
telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby stay 
notwithstanding. My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively 
bendy mast. The spreaders are not swept at all. Given that I have NO 
plans to ever take her seriously off-shore and I sail/race in the 
protected waters of the NC sounds and the PITA the baby stay is in 
tacking upwind and removing it for flying the kite, my sailmaker 
recommend it's removal, which I did and have never looked back. Now 
if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back on board for the 
SOLE reason of preventing mast pumping fore and aft--that is one 
gravity storm I prefer to miss!
Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use 
mandatory but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to 
stabilize mast pumping fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing 
for pleasure in protected waters and  have never missed it (but the 
attachment below and rod as well as the rolled up stay are kept on 
board anyway!


FWIW

Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36XL/kcb
Water Phantom


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
> wrote:


My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is 
then attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in 
the v-berth area. I don't have a track on mine.


If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There 
is a lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the 
hole that's  left if there really is a wood  stringer in there. Im 
not sure how much glass I would need to cut away to get to where any 
bracket or plate may be.


I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud 
welded together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?


Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while 
it's in the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough 
whatever I do.


Thanks,
Kevin


On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction
ring, and dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you
could DIY it. Would serve same function just as well. Don't have
time to get into it, but look around at what is possible since
probably would be done this way today on a new boat. Cheaper,
easier, better imo.

(my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to
water line in v berth.

2 cents

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List
> wrote:

Chuck, et al,

I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful
about assuming that the track 

Re: Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Dave,

 

I’ve had my keel off and the baby stay stud is definitely not screwed into the 
keel, at least on a 35-3.  As far forward as the baby stay attachment is, it 
would miss the keel entirely.  I see a substantial backing plate of some sort 
that is bonded into the centerline of the hull.  This will most likely have to 
be ground out and replaced.  The repair looks pretty straight forward.  The 
work will be hidden by the cabin sole, so cosmetics aren’t an issue here.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA



 

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 08:26
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud

 

I have the same issue on “Ronin”. 

 

I’m 99.99% certain that the stud is not attached to the keel. It certainly 
isn’t on my model when I removed my keel. Were it attached to the keel there 
would be a series of list posts advising owners on how to unhook it. In my 20 
years on this list I haven’t seen any advice on that. 

 

I think that you are going to find that like my stud, it was simply glassed 
into the stringer. Easy to do in the build process but obviously not 
advantageous over time, especially in a damp environment and constant cyclic 
loads. 

 

I have a set of hand drawings from a rig designer buddy on building a “U” 
shaped stainless steel bridge that can be simply attached to either side of the 
stringer with plain old S.S. lag bolts. This is most likely the way that I will 
go when I put the mast back in the boat.

 

Good luck with your repair.

 

Best,

 

Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> 

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Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

On our 34, we always keep tension on the baby stay even the on the mooring.  
More for heavier winds or seas and less for light airs and yes remove it for 
spinnaker work – keeps the foredeck from getting bored   J  Because there 
are only single lowers parallel to the shrouds, the mast does in fact pump a 
goodly amount.  Some other models may be more, some less, but there is pumping. 
 Just lie down on the deck and look up the mast when sailing to windward in a 
decent breeze with moderate chop.  On the 34, we are talking several inches.  
All that movement does have a significant impact on the shape of the main and a 
noticeable impact on speed.  The main is kept flatter and a more constant shape 
enhancing air flow.  The other issue is wear and tear on the rig, especially 
where the spreaders attach to the mast.  The spreaders are designed to move 
fore and aft a fair amount – so the plane of the shrouds stays constant while 
the mast pumps back and forth.  Just take the lee slack shrouds when sailing to 
windward and move them fore and aft.  That is the outboard end moving.  Now 
imagine the outboard end remaining stationary and the mast moving a similar 
amount.  Now imagine that movement when under load of the windward shrouds 
beating to windward.  I see that wear every time I unstep the mast and remove 
the spreaders.  There  is a reason why so many designs over many centuries used 
for and aft lowers – to minimize pumping.  Can’t speak to the integrity of the 
rig of pumping and certainly that is a function of how bendy the mast is.  Just 
feel that minimizing pumping cannot hurt, probably prevents cyclical loading, 
know it enhances performance and the baby stay allows adjustments in real time. 
 Yes, can be a PITA at times, but like most things is a trade off.  

 

My 2 cents American

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Persuasion37 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:44 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Persuasion37
Subject: Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

 

Ditto

Mike

PERSUASION

C 37 K/CB

Long Sault


On Oct 25, 2017, at 9:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the adjustable 
babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of the 
season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the clutch, 
and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.  

Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and 
actively use the baby stay.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:

Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby stay 
to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary on your 
boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed in a 
Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely requires it 
you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if your spreaders are 
not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more like aluminum 
telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby stay notwithstanding. 
My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively bendy mast. The spreaders 
are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans to ever take her seriously 
off-shore and I sail/race in the protected waters of the NC sounds and the PITA 
the baby stay is in tacking upwind and removing it for flying the kite, my 
sailmaker recommend it's removal, which I did and have never looked back. Now 
if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back on board for the SOLE reason 
of preventing mast pumping fore and aft--that is one gravity storm I prefer to 
miss!

Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use mandatory but 
in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize mast pumping fore 
and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in protected waters and  
have never missed it (but the attachment below and rod as well as the rolled up 
stay are kept on board anyway!

 

FWIW

 

Charlie Nelson

1995 C 36XL/kcb

Water Phantom

 


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then 
attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth 
area. I don't have a track on mine.

If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a lot of 
fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's  left if there 
really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much glass I would need to 
cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be. 

I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud welded 
together. Then la

Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

I haven't used mine since we bought it 3-4 years ago. But my wife and I are
thinking of selling and upgrading, so I'm concerned about resale value if I
don't get it fixed first.


Kevin Paxton
'82 34 #473
Japhys Spirit
Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:44 AM Persuasion37 via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ditto
>
> Mike
> PERSUASION
> C 37 K/CB
> Long Sault
>
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 9:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the
> adjustable babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the
> beginning of the season and then at some random time during the summer
> someone kicks the clutch, and eventually I discover that it isn't
> tensioned.
>
> Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and
> actively use the baby stay.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
>
> On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby
> stay to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary
> on your boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed
> in a Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely
> requires it you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if
> your spreaders are not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more
> like aluminum telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby
> stay notwithstanding. My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively
> bendy mast. The spreaders are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans
> to ever take her seriously off-shore and I sail/race in the protected
> waters of the NC sounds and the PITA the baby stay is in tacking upwind and
> removing it for flying the kite, my sailmaker recommend it's removal, which
> I did and have never looked back. Now if I planned to go offshore, I would
> put it back on board for the SOLE reason of preventing mast pumping fore
> and aft--that is one gravity storm I prefer to miss!
> Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use
> mandatory but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize
> mast pumping fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in
> protected waters and  have never missed it (but the attachment below and
> rod as well as the rolled up stay are kept on board anyway!
>
> FWIW
>
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
> Water Phantom
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then
> attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth
> area. I don't have a track on mine.
>
> If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a
> lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's
> left if there really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much
> glass I would need to cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be.
>
> I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud welded
> together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?
>
> Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's
> in the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring,
>> and dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it.
>> Would serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, but
>> look around at what is possible since probably would be done this way today
>> on a new boat. Cheaper, easier, better imo.
>>
>> (my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to water
>> line in v berth.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck, et al,
>>>
>>> I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about
>>> assuming that the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay. At
>>> least that is my take-away from your description of it being “far in front
>>> of the keel” means.
>>>
>>> With  the 37’, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there is a plate
>>> that the top of the tie-down (Navtec rod rigging…) is attached to. The rod
>>> descends directly down parallel to the interior bulkheads (perpendicular to
>>> the waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the central stringer. The
>>> load is not carried forward but rather resides at the rear of the traveler
>>> track.
>>>
>>> Years ago I delivered a 34’ from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston, Jamaica. As
>>> I recall, it had the same setup that the 37’ does.
>>>
>>> Also, I’ll reiterate, the 

Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Ditto

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 9:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the adjustable 
> babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of 
> the season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the 
> clutch, and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.  
> Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and 
> actively use the baby stay.
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
>> On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
>> Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby 
>> stay to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary 
>> on your boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed 
>> in a Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely 
>> requires it you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if 
>> your spreaders are not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more 
>> like aluminum telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby stay 
>> notwithstanding. My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively bendy 
>> mast. The spreaders are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans to ever 
>> take her seriously off-shore and I sail/race in the protected waters of the 
>> NC sounds and the PITA the baby stay is in tacking upwind and removing it 
>> for flying the kite, my sailmaker recommend it's removal, which I did and 
>> have never looked back. Now if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back 
>> on board for the SOLE reason of preventing mast pumping fore and aft--that 
>> is one gravity storm I prefer to miss!
>> Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use mandatory 
>> but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize mast 
>> pumping fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in 
>> protected waters and  have never missed it (but the attachment below and rod 
>> as well as the rolled up stay are kept on board anyway!
>> 
>> FWIW
>> 
>> Charlie Nelson
>> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
>> Water Phantom
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then 
>>> attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth 
>>> area. I don't have a track on mine.
>>> 
>>> If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a 
>>> lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's  
>>> left if there really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much 
>>> glass I would need to cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be.
>>> 
>>> I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud welded 
>>> together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?
>>> 
>>> Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's in 
>>> the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kevin
>>> 
 On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring, and 
 dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it. Would 
 serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, but look 
 around at what is possible since probably would be done this way today on 
 a new boat. Cheaper, easier, better imo. 
 
 (my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to water line 
 in v berth.
 
 2 cents
 
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Chuck, et al,
> 
> I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about 
> assuming that the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay. At 
> least that is my take-away from your description of it being “far in 
> front of the keel” means.
> 
> With  the 37’, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there is a plate 
> that the top of the tie-down (Navtec rod rigging…) is attached to. The 
> rod descends directly down parallel to the interior bulkheads 
> (perpendicular to the waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the 
> central stringer. The load is not carried forward but rather resides at 
> the rear of the traveler track.
> 
> Years ago I delivered a 34’ from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston, Jamaica. As 
> I recall, it had the same setup that the 37’ does.
> 
> Also, I’ll reiterate, the bolt does not go through the hull. Repairs to 
> this can be easily be made while the boat is in the water.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Best,
> 

Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I rarely used the baby stay on my 34 – only when venturing out into the lake 
(Erie) with waves over 3-4 feet.  However, like insurance, you only need it 
when you need it – and then you really need it.  It should be fixed properly, 
whatever that entails.

From: G Collins via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: G Collins 
Subject: Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the adjustable 
babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of the 
season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the clutch, 
and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.  


Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and 
actively use the baby stay.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:

  Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby stay 
to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary on your 
boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed in a 
Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely requires it 
you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if your spreaders are 
not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more like aluminum 
telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby stay notwithstanding. 
My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively bendy mast. The spreaders 
are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans to ever take her seriously 
off-shore and I sail/race in the protected waters of the NC sounds and the PITA 
the baby stay is in tacking upwind and removing it for flying the kite, my 
sailmaker recommend it's removal, which I did and have never looked back. Now 
if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back on board for the SOLE reason 
of preventing mast pumping fore and aft--that is one gravity storm I prefer to 
miss!
  Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use mandatory 
but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize mast pumping 
fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in protected waters 
and  have never missed it (but the attachment below and rod as well as the 
rolled up stay are kept on board anyway!

  FWIW

  Charlie Nelson
  1995 C 36XL/kcb
  Water Phantom


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then 
attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth 
area. I don't have a track on mine.

If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a 
lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's  left 
if there really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much glass I 
would need to cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be. 

I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud welded 
together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?

Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's in 
the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do. 

Thanks,
Kevin




On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

  Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring, 
and dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it. Would 
serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, but look 
around at what is possible since probably would be done this way today on a new 
boat. Cheaper, easier, better imo.  

  (my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to water 
line in v berth.


  2 cents

  On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Chuck, et al, 

I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about 
assuming that the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay. At least 
that is my take-away from your description of it being “far in front of the 
keel” means.

With  the 37’, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there is a plate 
that the top of the tie-down (Navtec rod rigging…) is attached to. The rod 
descends directly down parallel to the interior bulkheads (perpendicular to the 
waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the central stringer. The load is 
not carried forward but rather resides at the rear of the traveler track.

Years ago I delivered a 34’ from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston, Jamaica. 
As I recall, it had the same setup that the 37’ does.

Also, I’ll reiterate, the bolt does not go through the hull. Repairs to 
this can be easily be made while the boat is in the 

Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[G Collins via CnC-List]

I find the baby stay question an interesting one.  We've got the adjustable 
babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of the 
season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the clutch, 
and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.

Would it be worth a survey?  I'm curious how many owners actually have and 
actively use the baby stay.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby stay 
to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary on your 
boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed in a 
Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely requires it 
you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if your spreaders are 
not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more like aluminum 
telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby stay notwithstanding. 
My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively bendy mast. The spreaders 
are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans to ever take her seriously 
off-shore and I sail/race in the protected waters of the NC sounds and the PITA 
the baby stay is in tacking upwind and removing it for flying the kite, my 
sailmaker recommend it's removal, which I did and have never looked back. Now 
if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back on board for the SOLE reason 
of preventing mast pumping fore and aft--that is one gravity storm I prefer to 
miss!
Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use mandatory but 
in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize mast pumping fore 
and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in protected waters and  
have never missed it (but the attachment below and rod as well as the rolled up 
stay are kept on board anyway!

FWIW

Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36XL/kcb
Water Phantom


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
> wrote:


My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then 
attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth 
area. I don't have a track on mine.

If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a lot of 
fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's  left if there 
really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much glass I would need to 
cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be.

I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud welded 
together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?

Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's in the 
water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do.

Thanks,
Kevin

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring, and 
dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it. Would serve 
same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, but look around at 
what is possible since probably would be done this way today on a new boat. 
Cheaper, easier, better imo.

(my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to water line in v 
berth.

2 cents

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Chuck, et al,

I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about assuming that 
the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay. At least that is my 
take-away from your description of it being “far in front of the keel” means.

With  the 37’, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there is a plate that the 
top of the tie-down (Navtec rod rigging…) is attached to. The rod descends 
directly down parallel to the interior bulkheads (perpendicular to the 
waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the central stringer. The load is 
not carried forward but rather resides at the rear of the traveler track.

Years ago I delivered a 34’ from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston, Jamaica. As I 
recall, it had the same setup that the 37’ does.

Also, I’ll reiterate, the bolt does not go through the hull. Repairs to this 
can be easily be made while the boat is in the water.

Hope this helps.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Fred,


I checked the drawings for the 34 and see the baby stay is far in front of the 
keel.  I suspect the bolt should be attached to a stringer also. 
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1794


That's how it is on 

Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[Charles Nelson via CnC-List]

Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby stay 
to whatever, give some thought to a larger questionis it necessary on your 
boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed in a 
Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely requires it 
you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if your spreaders are 
not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more like aluminum 
telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby stay notwithstanding. 
My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively bendy mast. The spreaders 
are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans to ever take her seriously 
off-shore and I sail/race in the protected waters of the NC sounds and the PITA 
the baby stay is in tacking upwind and removing it for flying the kite, my 
sailmaker recommend it's removal, which I did and have never looked back. Now 
if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back on board for the SOLE reason 
of preventing mast pumping fore and aft--that is one gravity storm I prefer to 
miss!
Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use mandatory but 
in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize mast pumping fore 
and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in protected waters and  
have never missed it (but the attachment below and rod as well as the rolled up 
stay are kept on board anyway!

FWIW

Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36XL/kcb
Water Phantom


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then 
> attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth 
> area. I don't have a track on mine.
> 
> If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a lot 
> of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's  left if 
> there really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much glass I would 
> need to cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be.
> 
> I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud welded 
> together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?
> 
> Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's in 
> the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring, and 
>> dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it. Would 
>> serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, but look 
>> around at what is possible since probably would be done this way today on a 
>> new boat. Cheaper, easier, better imo. 
>> 
>> (my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to water line 
>> in v berth.
>> 
>> 2 cents
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Chuck, et al,
>>> 
>>> I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about assuming 
>>> that the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay. At least that 
>>> is my take-away from your description of it being “far in front of the 
>>> keel” means.
>>> 
>>> With  the 37’, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there is a plate that 
>>> the top of the tie-down (Navtec rod rigging…) is attached to. The rod 
>>> descends directly down parallel to the interior bulkheads (perpendicular to 
>>> the waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the central stringer. The 
>>> load is not carried forward but rather resides at the rear of the traveler 
>>> track.
>>> 
>>> Years ago I delivered a 34’ from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston, Jamaica. As I 
>>> recall, it had the same setup that the 37’ does.
>>> 
>>> Also, I’ll reiterate, the bolt does not go through the hull. Repairs to 
>>> this can be easily be made while the boat is in the water.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Dave Godwin
>>> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
>>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit
>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List  
 wrote:
 
 Fred,
 
 
 
 I checked the drawings for the 34 and see the baby stay is far in front of 
 the keel.  I suspect the bolt should be attached to a stringer also. 
 http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1794
 
 
 
 That's how it is on my 34R.  On my boat they welded a stainless stud to a 
 stainless bracket that is thru bolted to a stringer.   A short piece of 
 rod carries the load from the track down to the hull stringer.
 
 
 
 I suggest you pull up the floor around the hole and look in there?
 
 
 
 Chuck
 Resolute
 1990 C 34R
 Broad Creek, Magothy 

Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then
attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth
area. I don't have a track on mine.

If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a
lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's
left if there really is a wood  stringer in there. Im not sure how much
glass I would need to cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be.

I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud welded
together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?

Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's in
the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do.

Thanks,
Kevin

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring, and
> dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it. Would
> serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, but look
> around at what is possible since probably would be done this way today on a
> new boat. Cheaper, easier, better imo.
>
> (my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to water line
> in v berth.
>
> 2 cents
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Chuck, et al,
>>
>> I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about
>> assuming that the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay. At
>> least that is my take-away from your description of it being “far in front
>> of the keel” means.
>>
>> With  the 37’, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there is a plate
>> that the top of the tie-down (Navtec rod rigging…) is attached to. The rod
>> descends directly down parallel to the interior bulkheads (perpendicular to
>> the waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the central stringer. The
>> load is not carried forward but rather resides at the rear of the traveler
>> track.
>>
>> Years ago I delivered a 34’ from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston, Jamaica. As
>> I recall, it had the same setup that the 37’ does.
>>
>> Also, I’ll reiterate, the bolt does not go through the hull. Repairs to
>> this can be easily be made while the boat is in the water.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>>
>> I checked the drawings for the 34 and see the baby stay is far in front
>> of the keel.  I suspect the bolt should be attached to a stringer also.
>> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1794
>>
>>
>> That's how it is on my 34R.  On my boat they welded a stainless stud to a
>> stainless bracket that is thru bolted to a stringer.   A short piece of rod
>> carries the load from the track down to the hull stringer.
>>
>>
>> I suggest you pull up the floor around the hole and look in there?
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C 34R
>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, M
>> ___
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Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring, and
dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it. Would
serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, but look
around at what is possible since probably would be done this way today on a
new boat. Cheaper, easier, better imo.

(my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to water line
in v berth.

2 cents

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Chuck, et al,
>
> I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about assuming
> that the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay. At least that
> is my take-away from your description of it being “far in front of the
> keel” means.
>
> With  the 37’, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there is a plate that
> the top of the tie-down (Navtec rod rigging…) is attached to. The rod
> descends directly down parallel to the interior bulkheads (perpendicular to
> the waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the central stringer. The
> load is not carried forward but rather resides at the rear of the traveler
> track.
>
> Years ago I delivered a 34’ from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston, Jamaica. As I
> recall, it had the same setup that the 37’ does.
>
> Also, I’ll reiterate, the bolt does not go through the hull. Repairs to
> this can be easily be made while the boat is in the water.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Fred,
>
>
> I checked the drawings for the 34 and see the baby stay is far in front of
> the keel.  I suspect the bolt should be attached to a stringer also.
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1794
>
>
> That's how it is on my 34R.  On my boat they welded a stainless stud to a
> stainless bracket that is thru bolted to a stringer.   A short piece of rod
> carries the load from the track down to the hull stringer.
>
>
> I suggest you pull up the floor around the hole and look in there?
>
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, M
> ___
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>
> ___
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
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October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
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All contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Chuck, et al,

I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about assuming that 
the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay. At least that is my 
take-away from your description of it being “far in front of the keel” means.

With  the 37’, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there is a plate that the 
top of the tie-down (Navtec rod rigging…) is attached to. The rod descends 
directly down parallel to the interior bulkheads (perpendicular to the 
waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the central stringer. The load is 
not carried forward but rather resides at the rear of the traveler track.

Years ago I delivered a 34’ from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston, Jamaica. As I 
recall, it had the same setup that the 37’ does.

Also, I’ll reiterate, the bolt does not go through the hull. Repairs to this 
can be easily be made while the boat is in the water.

Hope this helps.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Fred,
> 
> 
> 
> I checked the drawings for the 34 and see the baby stay is far in front of 
> the keel.  I suspect the bolt should be attached to a stringer also. 
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1794
> 
> 
> 
> That's how it is on my 34R.  On my boat they welded a stainless stud to a 
> stainless bracket that is thru bolted to a stringer.   A short piece of rod 
> carries the load from the track down to the hull stringer.
> 
> 
> 
> I suggest you pull up the floor around the hole and look in there?
> 
> 
> 
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, M
> ___
> 
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
> October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
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Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Fred,


I checked the drawings for the 34 and see the baby stay is far in front of the 
keel.  I suspect the bolt should be attached to a stringer also. 
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1794


That's how it is on my 34R.  On my boat they welded a stainless stud to a 
stainless bracket that is thru bolted to a stringer.   A short piece of rod 
carries the load from the track down to the hull stringer.


I suggest you pull up the floor around the hole and look in there?


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, M___

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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Hi Kevin

 

I am not sure if the stud is screwed into the keel or not.  We are on the hard 
so can take some measurements – probably this weekend

 

>From your photos it looks like it will be a challenge to remove the remaining 
>stud

 

Will be back after the measurements

 

John & Maryann

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Paxton 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Kevin Paxton
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud

 

Thanks John,

 

That's what I was afraid of. Sounds like this is not going to necessarily be an 
easy fix. 

Just so I make sure I understand what your saying. 

*   The stud is believed to be attached directly to the keel.
*   If that is true, then the shaft of the stud is probably 3+ inches 
through the hull and into the keel.
*   Possible fix would be to drill out the hole, tap the new hole and try 
to thread a new stud in its place.
*   Re seal the hole with epoxy and filler?

If it's directly attached to the keel, would threading a new hole be strong 
enough? How far down should I drill it out? 

I don't have exact measurements but the stud itself looks to be almost 1/2" 
thick. Where can I find something that large? I can only seem to find lifeline 
studs so far.

 

I also can't seem to find any information on this kind of thing online 
anywhere. Any suggestions on where to look?

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin Paxton

'82 34 #473

Japhys Spirit

Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD

 

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:59 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Hi Kevin

 

Sorry to see this situation but as with most things boat, all it takes is money 
to fix things.  Obviously some water got into the stub recess and corroded the 
stub itself.  Pretty impressive to cause the stud to crack apart.  FWIW, we 
consider the baby stay an integral part of the rig and its integrity as it 
prevents the mast pumping – with the added benefit of helping to shape the 
mainsail.

 

Not 100% sure, but it would make structural sense the stud is threaded into the 
keel itself.  Otherwise the upward pull would be like trying to separate the 
keel from the hull stub.  I do know the keel sump is about 3 inches thick at 
its forward edge.  Some careful measurements both inside and outside might be 
in order.  I will check our 34 dimensions when next there in a week or so.  In 
any event, it looks like a job best handled on the hard – remove the remaining 
stud, rethread the hole and reattach a new stud.  Seal appropriately.

 

Best

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34 (hull 464)

Noank, CT

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Paxton 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:15 AM
To: cnc-list Cnc-List
Cc: Kevin Paxton
Subject: Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud

 

Hey everyone,

I noticed that our baby stay stud that attaches to the hull was broken this 
past weekend. I haven't used the baby stay since we've gotten the boat (~3-4 
years ago). But I know it was previously attached. It seems it broke sometime 
in the last month or so. It looks like water may have gotten down into the hole 
and it seems to have rusted away. 

 

1. Any ideas on it's actual shape and size? It looks to me like a standard 
rigging stud, just fairly thick. But I have no idea how it was attached, or if 
there was a mounting plate or anything that was glassed in to the hull?

2. Replacements? Anywhere I can find it?

3. How do I re-mount it? Is this something I can do while in the water? Or am I 
going to have to dig something out and re-bed the whole thing?

 

Here are some photos for reference.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/104c_WRGp5_HCtd4GugDWbI8x96faZjEFSg/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a2KxDYLuZkHMvqg4JLqBBLxrnznGlI7wRg/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H39DlvaqaiM1mwf8bCz-pu9WoPGzmeSu4Q/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sgCnY_SpTw5gkoOjHk21Yp0-lgfjdgjpjw/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10enub0yr-OfrLbfdpeNC3UTjGTgpBX_wUA/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d4lj_XnK39SYJLaGANr5tAeF-BV_KYMVqg/view?usp=sharing

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin Paxton

'82 34 #473

Japhys Spirit

Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD

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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

I have the same issue on “Ronin”. 

I’m 99.99% certain that the stud is not attached to the keel. It certainly 
isn’t on my model when I removed my keel. Were it attached to the keel there 
would be a series of list posts advising owners on how to unhook it. In my 20 
years on this list I haven’t seen any advice on that. 

I think that you are going to find that like my stud, it was simply glassed 
into the stringer. Easy to do in the build process but obviously not 
advantageous over time, especially in a damp environment and constant cyclic 
loads. 

I have a set of hand drawings from a rig designer buddy on building a “U” 
shaped stainless steel bridge that can be simply attached to either side of the 
stringer with plain old S.S. lag bolts. This is most likely the way that I will 
go when I put the mast back in the boat.

Good luck with your repair.

Best,

Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:11 AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks John,
> 
> That's what I was afraid of. Sounds like this is not going to necessarily be 
> an easy fix. 
> Just so I make sure I understand what your saying. 
> The stud is believed to be attached directly to the keel.
> If that is true, then the shaft of the stud is probably 3+ inches through the 
> hull and into the keel.
> Possible fix would be to drill out the hole, tap the new hole and try to 
> thread a new stud in its place.
> Re seal the hole with epoxy and filler?
> If it's directly attached to the keel, would threading a new hole be strong 
> enough? How far down should I drill it out? 
> I don't have exact measurements but the stud itself looks to be almost 1/2" 
> thick. Where can I find something that large? I can only seem to find 
> lifeline studs so far.
> 
> I also can't seem to find any information on this kind of thing online 
> anywhere. Any suggestions on where to look?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kevin Paxton
> '82 34 #473
> Japhys Spirit
> Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD
> 
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:59 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Hi Kevin
> 
>  
> 
> Sorry to see this situation but as with most things boat, all it takes is 
> money to fix things.  Obviously some water got into the stub recess and 
> corroded the stub itself.  Pretty impressive to cause the stud to crack 
> apart.  FWIW, we consider the baby stay an integral part of the rig and its 
> integrity as it prevents the mast pumping – with the added benefit of helping 
> to shape the mainsail.
> 
>  
> 
> Not 100% sure, but it would make structural sense the stud is threaded into 
> the keel itself.  Otherwise the upward pull would be like trying to separate 
> the keel from the hull stub.  I do know the keel sump is about 3 inches thick 
> at its forward edge.  Some careful measurements both inside and outside might 
> be in order.  I will check our 34 dimensions when next there in a week or so. 
>  In any event, it looks like a job best handled on the hard – remove the 
> remaining stud, rethread the hole and reattach a new stud.  Seal 
> appropriately.
> 
>  
> 
> Best
> 
>  
> 
> John and Maryann
> 
> Legacy III
> 
> 1982 C 34 (hull 464)
> 
> Noank, CT
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Kevin Paxton via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:15 AM
> To: cnc-list Cnc-List
> Cc: Kevin Paxton
> Subject: Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud
> 
>  
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I noticed that our baby stay stud that attaches to the hull was broken this 
> past weekend. I haven't used the baby stay since we've gotten the boat (~3-4 
> years ago). But I know it was previously attached. It seems it broke sometime 
> in the last month or so. It looks like water may have gotten down into the 
> hole and it seems to have rusted away. 
> 
>  
> 
> 1. Any ideas on it's actual shape and size? It looks to me like a standard 
> rigging stud, just fairly thick. But I have no idea how it was attached, or 
> if there was a mounting plate or anything that was glassed in to the hull?
> 
> 2. Replacements? Anywhere I can find it?
> 
> 3. How do I re-mount it? Is this something I can do while in the water? Or am 
> I going to have to dig something out and re-bed the whole thing?
> 
>  
> 
> Here are some photos for reference.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/104c_WRGp5_HCtd4GugDWbI8x96faZjEFSg/view?usp=sharing
>  
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/104c_W

Re: Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

Thanks John,

That's what I was afraid of. Sounds like this is not going to necessarily
be an easy fix.
Just so I make sure I understand what your saying.

   - The stud is believed to be attached directly to the keel.
   - If that is true, then the shaft of the stud is probably 3+ inches
   through the hull and into the keel.
   - Possible fix would be to drill out the hole, tap the new hole and try
   to thread a new stud in its place.
   - Re seal the hole with epoxy and filler?

If it's directly attached to the keel, would threading a new hole be strong
enough? How far down should I drill it out?
I don't have exact measurements but the stud itself looks to be almost 1/2"
thick. Where can I find something that large? I can only seem to find
lifeline studs so far.

I also can't seem to find any information on this kind of thing online
anywhere. Any suggestions on where to look?

Thanks,

Kevin Paxton
'82 34 #473
Japhys Spirit
Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:59 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Kevin
>
>
>
> Sorry to see this situation but as with most things boat, all it takes is
> money to fix things.  Obviously some water got into the stub recess and
> corroded the stub itself.  Pretty impressive to cause the stud to crack
> apart.  FWIW, we consider the baby stay an integral part of the rig and its
> integrity as it prevents the mast pumping – with the added benefit of
> helping to shape the mainsail.
>
>
>
> Not 100% sure, but it would make structural sense the stud is threaded
> into the keel itself.  Otherwise the upward pull would be like trying to
> separate the keel from the hull stub.  I do know the keel sump is about 3
> inches thick at its forward edge.  Some careful measurements both inside
> and outside might be in order.  I will check our 34 dimensions when next
> there in a week or so.  In any event, it looks like a job best handled on
> the hard – remove the remaining stud, rethread the hole and reattach a new
> stud.  Seal appropriately.
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> John and Maryann
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C 34 (hull 464)
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin
> Paxton via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:15 AM
> *To:* cnc-list Cnc-List
> *Cc:* Kevin Paxton
> *Subject:* Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud
>
>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I noticed that our baby stay stud that attaches to the hull was broken
> this past weekend. I haven't used the baby stay since we've gotten the boat
> (~3-4 years ago). But I know it was previously attached. It seems it broke
> sometime in the last month or so. It looks like water may have gotten down
> into the hole and it seems to have rusted away.
>
>
>
> 1. Any ideas on it's actual shape and size? It looks to me like a standard
> rigging stud, just fairly thick. But I have no idea how it was attached, or
> if there was a mounting plate or anything that was glassed in to the hull?
>
> 2. Replacements? Anywhere I can find it?
>
> 3. How do I re-mount it? Is this something I can do while in the water? Or
> am I going to have to dig something out and re-bed the whole thing?
>
>
>
> Here are some photos for reference.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/104c_WRGp5_HCtd4GugDWbI8x96faZjEFSg/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a2KxDYLuZkHMvqg4JLqBBLxrnznGlI7wRg/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H39DlvaqaiM1mwf8bCz-pu9WoPGzmeSu4Q/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sgCnY_SpTw5gkoOjHk21Yp0-lgfjdgjpjw/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/10enub0yr-OfrLbfdpeNC3UTjGTgpBX_wUA/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d4lj_XnK39SYJLaGANr5tAeF-BV_KYMVqg/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Kevin Paxton
>
> '82 34 #473
>
> Japhys Spirit
>
> Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD
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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Hi Kevin

 

Sorry to see this situation but as with most things boat, all it takes is money 
to fix things.  Obviously some water got into the stub recess and corroded the 
stub itself.  Pretty impressive to cause the stud to crack apart.  FWIW, we 
consider the baby stay an integral part of the rig and its integrity as it 
prevents the mast pumping – with the added benefit of helping to shape the 
mainsail.

 

Not 100% sure, but it would make structural sense the stud is threaded into the 
keel itself.  Otherwise the upward pull would be like trying to separate the 
keel from the hull stub.  I do know the keel sump is about 3 inches thick at 
its forward edge.  Some careful measurements both inside and outside might be 
in order.  I will check our 34 dimensions when next there in a week or so.  In 
any event, it looks like a job best handled on the hard – remove the remaining 
stud, rethread the hole and reattach a new stud.  Seal appropriately.

 

Best

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34 (hull 464)

Noank, CT

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Paxton 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:15 AM
To: cnc-list Cnc-List
Cc: Kevin Paxton
Subject: Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud

 

Hey everyone,

I noticed that our baby stay stud that attaches to the hull was broken this 
past weekend. I haven't used the baby stay since we've gotten the boat (~3-4 
years ago). But I know it was previously attached. It seems it broke sometime 
in the last month or so. It looks like water may have gotten down into the hole 
and it seems to have rusted away. 

 

1. Any ideas on it's actual shape and size? It looks to me like a standard 
rigging stud, just fairly thick. But I have no idea how it was attached, or if 
there was a mounting plate or anything that was glassed in to the hull?

2. Replacements? Anywhere I can find it?

3. How do I re-mount it? Is this something I can do while in the water? Or am I 
going to have to dig something out and re-bed the whole thing?

 

Here are some photos for reference.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/104c_WRGp5_HCtd4GugDWbI8x96faZjEFSg/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a2KxDYLuZkHMvqg4JLqBBLxrnznGlI7wRg/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H39DlvaqaiM1mwf8bCz-pu9WoPGzmeSu4Q/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sgCnY_SpTw5gkoOjHk21Yp0-lgfjdgjpjw/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10enub0yr-OfrLbfdpeNC3UTjGTgpBX_wUA/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d4lj_XnK39SYJLaGANr5tAeF-BV_KYMVqg/view?usp=sharing

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin Paxton

'82 34 #473

Japhys Spirit

Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD

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Stus-List Baby Stay Hull Stud

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

Hey everyone,
I noticed that our baby stay stud that attaches to the hull was broken this
past weekend. I haven't used the baby stay since we've gotten the boat
(~3-4 years ago). But I know it was previously attached. It seems it broke
sometime in the last month or so. It looks like water may have gotten down
into the hole and it seems to have rusted away.

1. Any ideas on it's actual shape and size? It looks to me like a standard
rigging stud, just fairly thick. But I have no idea how it was attached, or
if there was a mounting plate or anything that was glassed in to the hull?
2. Replacements? Anywhere I can find it?
3. How do I re-mount it? Is this something I can do while in the water? Or
am I going to have to dig something out and re-bed the whole thing?

Here are some photos for reference.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/104c_WRGp5_HCtd4GugDWbI8x96faZjEFSg/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a2KxDYLuZkHMvqg4JLqBBLxrnznGlI7wRg/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H39DlvaqaiM1mwf8bCz-pu9WoPGzmeSu4Q/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sgCnY_SpTw5gkoOjHk21Yp0-lgfjdgjpjw/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10enub0yr-OfrLbfdpeNC3UTjGTgpBX_wUA/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d4lj_XnK39SYJLaGANr5tAeF-BV_KYMVqg/view?usp=sharing

Thanks,

Kevin Paxton
'82 34 #473
Japhys Spirit
Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

David your statement of my whole setup is correct.  It is a spliced eye
with no thimble.  The hook fits tight in the eye splice to avoid
inadvertent disengagement when the cunningham is softened or while the sail
is not at full height (reefed or down completely).  When I reef I typically
don't use the cunningham.  I have "dogbones" in my mainsail to facilitate
hooking the horn.  If I really wanted to it would be easy to unhook the
cunningham and attach it to the opposite (unhooked) side of the dogbone.

I find that light air sailing which allows for a full main is where the
cunningham really shines.  The sail shape is much more critical and
capitalizing on every adjustment is much more evident.  Upwind harden up on
the luff with the cunningham, downwind soften the luff.

In heavy air and a reefed main the options change.  When setting the reef
make sure the halyard is tightened properly.  Upwind look for softness in
the luff and tighten with halyard as needed.  Downwind, leave the sail set
in preps for your next upwind run or shake the reef.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On May 24, 2017 1:37 PM, "David Knecht via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Hi Josh- I have a similar rig, but the reefing hook is attached directly to
the luff cringle.  I considered adding another 2:1 but I want to clarify
how your pennant is rigged.  It looks like it is attached to the tack pin,
then up to the cringle and then down to a spliced loop for the reefing
hook?  Spliced loop or a metal thimble?   The reason I did not do that was
I was not sure how I would deal with reefing. If I reef the main, I just
put the hook in the next cringle.  What do you do?  Dave

On May 19, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Check out these pictures.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yX3hxVGZGNmNnLU0

I looked at the cunninham again and decided that it is a 4 to 1.  It pulls
on the pennant.  It's hard to tell where the pennant goes since it dives up
under the sail pack.  I tried to show how it attaches with the tack pin on
the other side of main after passing through the reef cringle.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Josh- I have a similar rig, but the reefing hook is attached directly to the 
luff cringle.  I considered adding another 2:1 but I want to clarify how your 
pennant is rigged.  It looks like it is attached to the tack pin, then up to 
the cringle and then down to a spliced loop for the reefing hook?  Spliced loop 
or a metal thimble?   The reason I did not do that was I was not sure how I 
would deal with reefing. If I reef the main, I just put the hook in the next 
cringle.  What do you do?  Dave

> On May 19, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Check out these pictures.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yX3hxVGZGNmNnLU0 
> 
> 
> I looked at the cunninham again and decided that it is a 4 to 1.  It pulls on 
> the pennant.  It's hard to tell where the pennant goes since it dives up 
> under the sail pack.  I tried to show how it attaches with the tack pin on 
> the other side of main after passing through the reef cringle.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[bwhitmore--- via CnC-List]

Thanks Josh!  Definitely added those to my upgrade list.
Kindest Regards, 
Bruce C 37 / 40 + 


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From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 5/19/2017  5:58 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham? 

Check out these pictures.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yX3hxVGZGNmNnLU0
I looked at the cunninham again and decided that it is a 4 to 1.  It pulls on 
the pennant.  It's hard to tell where the pennant goes since it dives up under 
the sail pack.  I tried to show how it attaches with the tack pin on the other 
side of main after passing through the reef cringle.
Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C 37+Solomons, MD 


On May 19, 2017 9:04 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
Hi Josh,
While I understand what you are describing, I'd love to have a picture of your 
Cunningham setup.
Would you have one available to share?
I am thinking of adding cars to my jib track that I can adjust from the cockpit 
via lines (rather than the pinned adjustable cars I have now), so if you have a 
photo of that type of setup, that would be greatly appreciated as well.
Thanks as always for your help, Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


   From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:30 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
   
Ultimately, to answer your question, IMO the Cunningham is a valuable addition.
For me adjusting halyard tension is more difficult than adjusting Cunningham.  
My Cunningham is a 5 to 1 fiddle block arrangement which pulls down on a 
pennant that passes through the luff cringle (2 to 1) resulting in a compounded 
10 to 1 purchase system.
With my tides marine strong track system I can nearly raise the mainsail bare 
handed.  In a hurry I can close the jammer and yank on the Cunningham and have 
a good luff tension.  Given a little more time, a quick crank on a winch and 
the sail is set.  On upwind runs when trying to move the draft forward I can 
harden up on the cunningham and the outhaul.  If I need to further flatten the 
sail or keep the mast from pumping I haul on the baby stay.  As I round the 
mark for the down wind run I release the cunningham to move the draft back.  
Release the outhaul to increase the draft overall and easy the babystay as long 
as there is no pumping or rough chop.
Long story short - all jammers, all hand tightened, none of that requires a 
winch... Or anybody getting out of the cockpit. 
Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C 37+Solomons, MD

On May 17, 2017 9:43 PM, "Dave S via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make the 
Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?

I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?



Thanks , Dave

33-2



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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Great discussion - helped me resolve a few entangled rigging mods.  Thanks!

Dave



From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:58:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
Check out these pictures.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yX3hxVGZGNmNnLU0

I looked at the cunninham again and decided that it is a 4 to 1.  It pulls
on the pennant.  It's hard to tell where the pennant goes since it dives up
under the sail pack.  I tried to show how it attaches with the tack pin on
the other side of main after passing through the reef cringle.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On May 19, 2017 9:04 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Hi Josh,

While I understand what you are describing, I'd love to have a picture of
your Cunningham setup.

Would you have one available to share?

I am thinking of adding cars to my jib track that I can adjust from the
cockpit via lines (rather than the pinned adjustable cars I have now), so
if you have a photo of that type of setup, that would be greatly
appreciated as well.

Thanks as always for your help,

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Check out these pictures.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yX3hxVGZGNmNnLU0

I looked at the cunninham again and decided that it is a 4 to 1.  It pulls
on the pennant.  It's hard to tell where the pennant goes since it dives up
under the sail pack.  I tried to show how it attaches with the tack pin on
the other side of main after passing through the reef cringle.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On May 19, 2017 9:04 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Hi Josh,

While I understand what you are describing, I'd love to have a picture of
your Cunningham setup.

Would you have one available to share?

I am thinking of adding cars to my jib track that I can adjust from the
cockpit via lines (rather than the pinned adjustable cars I have now), so
if you have a photo of that type of setup, that would be greatly
appreciated as well.

Thanks as always for your help,

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


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*To:* C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Cc:* Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:30 PM

*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

Ultimately, to answer your question, IMO the Cunningham is a valuable
addition.

For me adjusting halyard tension is more difficult than adjusting
Cunningham.  My Cunningham is a 5 to 1 fiddle block arrangement which pulls
down on a pennant that passes through the luff cringle (2 to 1) resulting
in a compounded 10 to 1 purchase system.

With my tides marine strong track system I can nearly raise the mainsail
bare handed.  In a hurry I can close the jammer and yank on the Cunningham
and have a good luff tension.  Given a little more time, a quick crank on a
winch and the sail is set.  On upwind runs when trying to move the draft
forward I can harden up on the cunningham and the outhaul.  If I need to
further flatten the sail or keep the mast from pumping I haul on the baby
stay.  As I round the mark for the down wind run I release the cunningham
to move the draft back.  Release the outhaul to increase the draft overall
and easy the babystay as long as there is no pumping or rough chop.

Long story short - all jammers, all hand tightened, none of that requires a
winch... Or anybody getting out of the cockpit.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


On May 17, 2017 9:43 PM, "Dave S via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make
the Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?

Thanks , Dave
33-2

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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

The 33-2 seems  pretty bendy to me, (though I lack reference points) it is 
certainly smaller in section than many similar sized boats. 

Dave

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> On May 19, 2017, at 1:33 PM, <firewa...@reinardy.us> <firewa...@reinardy.us> 
> wrote:
> 
> Forgive my ignorance on this, but do your boats have a bendy mast?  My 30-2 
> has a baby stay with a 4:1 purchase, but I can't get much movement out of the 
> rig with it at all.  We use the Cunningham quite a bit, but the baby stay is 
> collecting dust.
> 
> Jim Reinardy 
> C 30-2 "Firewater"
> Milwaukee, WI
> ---- Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
> From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: Fri, May 19, 2017 5:21 am
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
> 
> Josh
>  
> You are correct.  Baby stay is designed to help with mast pumping.  A side 
> effect may be that bending mast opens leech somewhat. Since babystay is 
> usually only used in windy conditions opening the leech is not such a bad 
> thing.
>  
> On fractionally rigged boats which most C and our Frers unfortunately are 
> not backstay is ALL ABOUT main sail and really opens leech.  Has much less 
> effect on forestay tension than on masthead boat. The C 115 was fractional 
> (more or less) and had a really bendy mast.  The main was very easily shaped 
> with all the controls.  Going to masthead rig on Frers after years of 
> trimming main on Niagara 26, J27 and C 115 made the main seem awkward and 
> clunky for quite some time.  It is a lot more work to trim it effectively 
> (IMO)
>  
> Back to our original point.  Opening or closing leech is a major tool in 
> trimming main sail.  A tight sheet and vang does close the leech but wind it 
> is usually bending mast that is a tool used to open leech vs in light wind
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
> Muckley via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:39 PM
> To: C List
> Cc: Josh Muckley
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
>  
> Mike I believe you are correct but isn't that simply a side effect?  Leech 
> tension and sail twist should be controlled by the mail sheet and vang.  In 
> fact I think the opening of the leech is experienced more with changes in 
> backstay tension as a result of changing the position of the masthead.
>  
> Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that your statement is metaphorically 
> equivalent to saying, "The backstay controls main sheet tension."  True the 
> backstay can affect main sheet tension, but that's not its purpose.  
> Likewise, bending the mast can open the leech but that's not its purpose and 
> the components designed to control the leech (vang and mainsheet) are still 
> available to "close" it.  Kind of a does the tail wag the dog situation.
>  
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>  
>  
>  
> On May 18, 2017 9:00 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> And bending mast would also open leech
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
> Muckley via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:52 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Josh Muckley
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
>  
> Cunningham does flatten the sail but simply due to luff tension.
> If a baby stay is able to pull the belly of the mast forward then the luff is 
> also pulled forward and the resulting shape of the sail is flatter.
> Josh
>  
> On Thu, May 18, 2017, 8:18 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> Doesn't the cunngham assist the halyard in moving draft forward?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave S via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:43 PM
> To: C Stus List
> Cc: Dave S
> Subject: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
> 
> Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make the 
> Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
> I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?
> 
> Thanks , Dave
> 33-2
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

That's where the pumping in the mast which we've been talking about comes
in.  Some of the discussion has been theory and some of it has been
practice.  In theory a bendy mast can pull the luff forward.  In practice
our boats experience a stabilized mast and less pumping.

I have check stays which further bend the mast and in theory further
flatten the main but in practice simply reduce pumping more.

In theory even just a little belly in the mast flattens the main...some.
If the mast is pumping then it is by default bending.

I would say that if you find yourself in heavy weather with good chop,
release the baby stay, step forward to the mast and sight it from the
side.  You may need the side stays as a reference point.  You'll probably
notice the mast bending fore and aft at the middle by about and inch or
two.  The action of the boat and helm will be more aggravated.

Now pull the babystay taught and sight the mast again.  You should notice a
reduction in the pumping and the action should calm down.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On May 19, 2017 1:35 PM, "Jim Reinardy via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Forgive my ignorance on this, but do your boats have a bendy mast?  My
> 30-2 has a baby stay with a 4:1 purchase, but I can't get much movement out
> of the rig with it at all.  We use the Cunningham quite a bit, but the baby
> stay is collecting dust.
>
> Jim Reinardy
> C 30-2 "Firewater"
> Milwaukee, WI
>
> ---- Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
> From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: Fri, May 19, 2017 5:21 am
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
>
> Josh
>
> You are correct.  Baby stay is designed to help with mast pumping.  A side
> effect may be that bending mast opens leech somewhat. Since babystay is
> usually only used in windy conditions opening the leech is not such a bad
> thing.
>
> On fractionally rigged boats which most C and our Frers unfortunately
> are not backstay is ALL ABOUT main sail and really opens leech.  Has much
> less effect on forestay tension than on masthead boat. The C 115 was
> fractional (more or less) and had a really bendy mast.  The main was very
> easily shaped with all the controls.  Going to masthead rig on Frers after
> years of trimming main on Niagara 26, J27 and C 115 made the main seem
> awkward and clunky for quite some time.  It is a lot more work to trim it
> effectively (IMO)
>
> Back to our original point.  Opening or closing leech is a major tool in
> trimming main sail.  A tight sheet and vang does close the leech but wind
> it is usually bending mast that is a tool used to open leech vs in light
> wind
>
> Mike
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:39 PM
> *To:* C List
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
>
> Mike I believe you are correct but isn't that simply a side effect?  Leech
> tension and sail twist should be controlled by the mail sheet and vang.  In
> fact I think the opening of the leech is experienced more with changes in
> backstay tension as a result of changing the position of the masthead.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that your statement is metaphorically
> equivalent to saying, "The backstay controls main sheet tension."  True the
> backstay can affect main sheet tension, but that's not its purpose.
> Likewise, bending the mast can open the leech but that's not its purpose
> and the components designed to control the leech (vang and mainsheet) are
> still available to "close" it.  Kind of a does the tail wag the dog
> situation.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On May 18, 2017 9:00 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
> And bending mast would also open leech
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:52 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
>
> Cunningham does flatten the sail but simply due to luff tension.
> If a baby stay is able to pull the belly of the mast forward then the luff
> is also pulled forward and the resulting shape of the sail is flatter.
> Josh
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017, 8:18 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Doesn't the cunngham assist the halyard in m

Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Forgive my ignorance on this, but do your boats have a bendy mast?  My 30-2 has a baby stay with a 4:1 purchase, but I can't get much movement out of the rig with it at all.  We use the Cunningham quite a bit, but the baby stay is collecting dust.Jim Reinardy C 30-2 "Firewater"Milwaukee, WI


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: Fri, May 19, 2017 5:21 am
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>

Josh   You are correct.  Baby stay is designed to help with mast pumping.  A side effect may be that bending mast opens leech somewhat. Since babystay is usually only used in windy conditions opening the leech is not such a bad thing.   On fractionally rigged boats which most C and our Frers unfortunately are not backstay is ALL ABOUT main sail and really opens leech.  Has much less effect on forestay tension than on masthead boat. The C 115 was fractional (more or less) and had a really bendy mast.  The main was very easily shaped with all the controls.  Going to masthead rig on Frers after years of trimming main on Niagara 26, J27 and C 115 made the main seem awkward and clunky for quite some time.  It is a lot more work to trim it effectively (IMO)   Back to our original point.  Opening or closing leech is a major tool in trimming main sail.  A tight sheet and vang does close the leech but wind it is usually bending mast that is a tool used to open leech vs in light wind   Mike   From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:39 PM To: C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?     Mike I believe you are correct but isn't that simply a side effect?  Leech tension and sail twist should be controlled by the mail sheet and vang.  In fact I think the opening of the leech is experienced more with changes in backstay tension as a result of changing the position of the masthead.       Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that your statement is metaphorically equivalent to saying, "The backstay controls main sheet tension."  True the backstay can affect main sheet tension, but that's not its purpose.  Likewise, bending the mast can open the leech but that's not its purpose and the components designed to control the leech (vang and mainsheet) are still available to "close" it.  Kind of a does the tail wag the dog situation.      Josh Muckley   S/V Sea Hawk   1989 C 37+   Solomons, MD              On May 18, 2017 9:00 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:   And bending mast would also open leech   From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?    Cunningham does flatten the sail but simply due to luff tension. If a baby stay is able to pull the belly of the mast forward then the luff is also pulled forward and the resulting shape of the sail is flatter.  Josh      On Thu, May 18, 2017, 8:18 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:   Doesn't the cunngham assist the halyard in moving draft forward?  -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave S via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:43 PM To: C Stus List Cc: Dave S Subject: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?  Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make the Cunningham (luff tension) redundant? I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?  Thanks , Dave 33-2  Sent from my iPhone ___  This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  All Contributions are greatly appreciated!  ___  This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  All Contributions are greatly appreciated!   ___  This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  All Contributions are greatly appreciated!      ___

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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Love mine. C 27-III

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On May 19, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

+ 1  on Garhauer, I like mine.
Gary
30-1

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Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com<mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

Bruce,

Garhauer makes very nice adjustable car system. Look up “Garhauer adjustable 
genoa car system”. A few pictures here (not my boat ((:-(): 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hq9xfaayl2n3b9v/AAAbFxc4HSJ8GMhukyZq1AR4a?dl=0 .

Marek

I am thinking of adding cars to my jib track that I can adjust from the cockpit 
via lines (rather than the pinned adjustable cars I have now), so if you have a 
photo of that type of setup, that would be greatly appreciated as well.

Thanks as always for your help,

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092<tel:(847)%20404-5092> (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net>


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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

+ 1  on Garhauer, I like mine.

Gary

30-1

 

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Dziedzic via CnC-List
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

 

Bruce,

 

Garhauer makes very nice adjustable car system. Look up “Garhauer adjustable 
genoa car system”. A few pictures here (not my boat ((:-(): 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hq9xfaayl2n3b9v/AAAbFxc4HSJ8GMhukyZq1AR4a?dl=0 .

 

Marek

 

I am thinking of adding cars to my jib track that I can adjust from the cockpit 
via lines (rather than the pinned adjustable cars I have now), so if you have a 
photo of that type of setup, that would be greatly appreciated as well.

 

Thanks as always for your help,

 

Bruce Whitmore

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bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net <mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net> 


 

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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Bruce,

Garhauer makes very nice adjustable car system. Look up “Garhauer adjustable 
genoa car system”. A few pictures here (not my boat ((:-(): 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hq9xfaayl2n3b9v/AAAbFxc4HSJ8GMhukyZq1AR4a?dl=0 .

Marek

I am thinking of adding cars to my jib track that I can adjust from the cockpit 
via lines (rather than the pinned adjustable cars I have now), so if you have a 
photo of that type of setup, that would be greatly appreciated as well.

Thanks as always for your help,

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Bruce,

It seems that you are in luck on both interests.  My jib track runs from
the side stays to about 3 feet forward of the primary winch.  It is fully
adjustable with a 4 to 1 purchase which is cam cleated between the end of
the winch and the primary winch.  The 4 to 1 is sufficient to trim the lead
angle even with the sheet heavily loaded.  I don't have pictures of the
cunningham or the jib track right now but will get some next time I'm a the
boat.  Today or tomorrow.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On May 19, 2017 9:04 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Josh,
>
> While I understand what you are describing, I'd love to have a picture of
> your Cunningham setup.
>
> Would you have one available to share?
>
> I am thinking of adding cars to my jib track that I can adjust from the
> cockpit via lines (rather than the pinned adjustable cars I have now), so
> if you have a photo of that type of setup, that would be greatly
> appreciated as well.
>
> Thanks as always for your help,
>
> Bruce Whitmore
>
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
> --
> *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *To:* C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
>
> Ultimately, to answer your question, IMO the Cunningham is a valuable
> addition.
>
> For me adjusting halyard tension is more difficult than adjusting
> Cunningham.  My Cunningham is a 5 to 1 fiddle block arrangement which pulls
> down on a pennant that passes through the luff cringle (2 to 1) resulting
> in a compounded 10 to 1 purchase system.
>
> With my tides marine strong track system I can nearly raise the mainsail
> bare handed.  In a hurry I can close the jammer and yank on the Cunningham
> and have a good luff tension.  Given a little more time, a quick crank on a
> winch and the sail is set.  On upwind runs when trying to move the draft
> forward I can harden up on the cunningham and the outhaul.  If I need to
> further flatten the sail or keep the mast from pumping I haul on the baby
> stay.  As I round the mark for the down wind run I release the cunningham
> to move the draft back.  Release the outhaul to increase the draft overall
> and easy the babystay as long as there is no pumping or rough chop.
>
> Long story short - all jammers, all hand tightened, none of that requires
> a winch... Or anybody getting out of the cockpit.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
> On May 17, 2017 9:43 PM, "Dave S via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make
> the Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
> I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?
>
> Thanks , Dave
> 33-2
>
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hi Josh,
While I understand what you are describing, I'd love to have a picture of your 
Cunningham setup.
Would you have one available to share?
I am thinking of adding cars to my jib track that I can adjust from the cockpit 
via lines (rather than the pinned adjustable cars I have now), so if you have a 
photo of that type of setup, that would be greatly appreciated as well.
Thanks as always for your help, Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


  From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:30 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
   
Ultimately, to answer your question, IMO the Cunningham is a valuable addition.
For me adjusting halyard tension is more difficult than adjusting Cunningham.  
My Cunningham is a 5 to 1 fiddle block arrangement which pulls down on a 
pennant that passes through the luff cringle (2 to 1) resulting in a compounded 
10 to 1 purchase system.
With my tides marine strong track system I can nearly raise the mainsail bare 
handed.  In a hurry I can close the jammer and yank on the Cunningham and have 
a good luff tension.  Given a little more time, a quick crank on a winch and 
the sail is set.  On upwind runs when trying to move the draft forward I can 
harden up on the cunningham and the outhaul.  If I need to further flatten the 
sail or keep the mast from pumping I haul on the baby stay.  As I round the 
mark for the down wind run I release the cunningham to move the draft back.  
Release the outhaul to increase the draft overall and easy the babystay as long 
as there is no pumping or rough chop.
Long story short - all jammers, all hand tightened, none of that requires a 
winch... Or anybody getting out of the cockpit. 
Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C 37+Solomons, MD

On May 17, 2017 9:43 PM, "Dave S via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make the 
Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?

Thanks , Dave
33-2

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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Josh

You are correct.  Baby stay is designed to help with mast pumping.  A side 
effect may be that bending mast opens leech somewhat. Since babystay is usually 
only used in windy conditions opening the leech is not such a bad thing.

On fractionally rigged boats which most C and our Frers unfortunately are 
not backstay is ALL ABOUT main sail and really opens leech.  Has much less 
effect on forestay tension than on masthead boat. The C 115 was fractional 
(more or less) and had a really bendy mast.  The main was very easily shaped 
with all the controls.  Going to masthead rig on Frers after years of trimming 
main on Niagara 26, J27 and C 115 made the main seem awkward and clunky for 
quite some time.  It is a lot more work to trim it effectively (IMO)

Back to our original point.  Opening or closing leech is a major tool in 
trimming main sail.  A tight sheet and vang does close the leech but wind it is 
usually bending mast that is a tool used to open leech vs in light wind

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:39 PM
To: C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

Mike I believe you are correct but isn't that simply a side effect?  Leech 
tension and sail twist should be controlled by the mail sheet and vang.  In 
fact I think the opening of the leech is experienced more with changes in 
backstay tension as a result of changing the position of the masthead.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that your statement is metaphorically 
equivalent to saying, "The backstay controls main sheet tension."  True the 
backstay can affect main sheet tension, but that's not its purpose.  Likewise, 
bending the mast can open the leech but that's not its purpose and the 
components designed to control the leech (vang and mainsheet) are still 
available to "close" it.  Kind of a does the tail wag the dog situation.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On May 18, 2017 9:00 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
And bending mast would also open leech

From: CnC-List 
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Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?


Cunningham does flatten the sail but simply due to luff tension.

If a baby stay is able to pull the belly of the mast forward then the luff is 
also pulled forward and the resulting shape of the sail is flatter.

Josh

On Thu, May 18, 2017, 8:18 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Doesn't the cunngham assist the halyard in moving draft forward?

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Dave S via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:43 PM
To: C Stus List
Cc: Dave S
Subject: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make the 
Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?

Thanks , Dave
33-2

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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Ultimately, to answer your question, IMO the Cunningham is a valuable
addition.

For me adjusting halyard tension is more difficult than adjusting
Cunningham.  My Cunningham is a 5 to 1 fiddle block arrangement which pulls
down on a pennant that passes through the luff cringle (2 to 1) resulting
in a compounded 10 to 1 purchase system.

With my tides marine strong track system I can nearly raise the mainsail
bare handed.  In a hurry I can close the jammer and yank on the Cunningham
and have a good luff tension.  Given a little more time, a quick crank on a
winch and the sail is set.  On upwind runs when trying to move the draft
forward I can harden up on the cunningham and the outhaul.  If I need to
further flatten the sail or keep the mast from pumping I haul on the baby
stay.  As I round the mark for the down wind run I release the cunningham
to move the draft back.  Release the outhaul to increase the draft overall
and easy the babystay as long as there is no pumping or rough chop.

Long story short - all jammers, all hand tightened, none of that requires a
winch... Or anybody getting out of the cockpit.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


On May 17, 2017 9:43 PM, "Dave S via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make
> the Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
> I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?
>
> Thanks , Dave
> 33-2
>
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Mike I believe you are correct but isn't that simply a side effect?  Leech
tension and sail twist should be controlled by the mail sheet and vang.  In
fact I think the opening of the leech is experienced more with changes in
backstay tension as a result of changing the position of the masthead.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that your statement is metaphorically
equivalent to saying, "The backstay controls main sheet tension."  True the
backstay can affect main sheet tension, but that's not its purpose.
Likewise, bending the mast can open the leech but that's not its purpose
and the components designed to control the leech (vang and mainsheet) are
still available to "close" it.  Kind of a does the tail wag the dog
situation.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On May 18, 2017 9:00 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

And bending mast would also open leech



*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
Muckley via CnC-List
*Sent:* Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:52 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Josh Muckley
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?



Cunningham does flatten the sail but simply due to luff tension.

If a baby stay is able to pull the belly of the mast forward then the luff
is also pulled forward and the resulting shape of the sail is flatter.

Josh



On Thu, May 18, 2017, 8:18 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

Doesn't the cunngham assist the halyard in moving draft forward?

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:43 PM
To: C Stus List
Cc: Dave S
Subject: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make
the Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?

Thanks , Dave
33-2

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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

They both "depower" the main‎ but it's not the same thing going on:
As the wind builds it pushes the max draft in the ‎main aft. This increases 
drag until it slows the boat and increases heel. The Cunningham brings the max. 
draft forward again to make the aerofoil more effective. It increases lift and 
reduces drag. Making more of the lift available in the forward vector.
‎It's more effective than tensioning the main halliard as the main halliard 
also tensions the leech, cupping it and reducing speed by increasing drag 
again. The Cunningham, mostly tensions just the luff.
The baby stay will just flatten the main to reduce lift by increasing the cord 
lenth of the aerofoil (as far as it can bend our thick masts) 
As said before, it also stops the mast pumping, which the Cunningham obviously 
doesn't.
You need both!‎ 

sam :-)
C 26 Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 

  Original Message  
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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:43 PM
To: C Stus List
Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave S
Subject: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

Both depower the main Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make the 
Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?

Thanks , Dave
33-2

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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

There is a difference between the amount of max draft and the location of
max draft.

Mast bend affects the amount of maximum draft.  Luff tension or cunningham
affects the location of maximum draft.

For a headsail, headstay sag affects the amount of maximum draft.  Halyard
tension affects the location of maximum draft.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

And bending mast would also open leech

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?


Cunningham does flatten the sail but simply due to luff tension.

If a baby stay is able to pull the belly of the mast forward then the luff is 
also pulled forward and the resulting shape of the sail is flatter.

Josh

On Thu, May 18, 2017, 8:18 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
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Doesn't the cunngham assist the halyard in moving draft forward?

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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:43 PM
To: C Stus List
Cc: Dave S
Subject: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make the 
Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?

Thanks , Dave
33-2

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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Cunningham does flatten the sail but simply due to luff tension.

If a baby stay is able to pull the belly of the mast forward then the luff
is also pulled forward and the resulting shape of the sail is flatter.

Josh

On Thu, May 18, 2017, 8:18 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Doesn't the cunngham assist the halyard in moving draft forward?
>
> -Original Message-
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> To: C Stus List
> Cc: Dave S
> Subject: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?
>
> Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make
> the Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
> I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?
>
> Thanks , Dave
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Doesn't the cunngham assist the halyard in moving draft forward?

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Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make the 
Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?

Thanks , Dave
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Dave,

The controls are not really redundant.  The cunningham does a much better
job of flattening the main.  The cunningham tightens the luff in the bottom
third of the sail very effectively.

The babystay can shape the main a little, but it mainly used to prevent the
mast from pumping.  The thick mast section on most C is really difficult
to bend.  Preventing the mast from pumping (or inverting) is much more
important.  That said, we only use ours in heavy air or when the waves are
large.  The #3 tacks around it pretty easy, the #1... not so much.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C 35 Mk-III "Midnight Mistress"
Hampton VA





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Subject: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make
the Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?

Thanks , Dave
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

They both help to flatten the main in heavy wind but they do it
differently.  Kinda like saying, "Since I have a belt I don't need
suspenders."

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



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> Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make
> the Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
> I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?
>
> Thanks , Dave
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Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham?

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Both depower the main  Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make the 
Cunningham (luff tension) redundant?
I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time?

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Stus-List Baby stay track end cap

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Our baby stay is attached to the deck via Kenyon 1 1/4 inch traveler using 
track model 1169.  The track is an extrusion with 2 vertical and 2 horizontal 
surfaces with hollow center.   The jib sheets can get caught and chafed on the 
forward edge so am looking for a cap to cover the end and provide a smooth 
surface.  Tried Rigrite who list the cap on their web site but they advise they 
are no longer available.  Defender has several on its web site, but are for 
slipping over current track designs and will not fit



Any thoughts?





John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

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Re: Stus-List Baby stay track end cap

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I was able to modify the new Schaefer end stops to fit the old track with a 
little carving.   Might work for Kenyon.  Rig Right sells the new stop.  Very 
close.  Jerry

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> Our baby stay is attached to the deck via Kenyon 1 1/4 inch traveler using 
> track model 1169.  The track is an extrusion with 2 vertical and 2 horizontal 
> surfaces with hollow center.   The jib sheets can get caught and chafed on 
> the forward edge so am looking for a cap to cover the end and provide a 
> smooth surface.  Tried Rigrite who list the cap on their web site but they 
> advise they are no longer available.  Defender has several on its web site, 
> but are for slipping over current track designs and will not fit
>  
> Any thoughts?
>  
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Re: Stus-List Baby stay track end cap

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Have  a look at small SS mast steps--mounted on the ends of my genoa tracks and 
forward of my former baby stay track. You just mount them
with the underside facing forward so that the supports form a 3 pronged SS, low 
profile 'cage' that forces any lines up and over them.


Charlies Nelson
Water Phantom
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Subject: Stus-List Baby stay track end cap



Our baby stay is attached to the deck via Kenyon 1 1/4 inch traveler using 
track model 1169.  The track is an extrusion with 2 vertical and 2 horizontal 
surfaces with hollow center.   The jib sheets can get caught and chafed on the 
forward edge so am looking for a cap to cover the end and provide a smooth 
surface.  Tried Rigrite who list the cap on their web site but they advise they 
are no longer available.  Defender has several on its web site, but are for 
slipping over current track designs and will not fit
 
Any thoughts?
 
 
John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C 34
Noank, CT










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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay on 30-2

[allen via CnC-List]

Not my model.  The 30XL and 30R models did.

Allen Miles
s/v Septima
Hampton, VA


From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
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To: CC List 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay on 30-2


Does the CC 30 have a deck track which provides more or less tension on the 
baby stay?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 CC 37+
Solomons, MD 

On Aug 18, 2015 7:16 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
wrote:

  Snap shackle on mine 


  Joel

  On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

I too would like to do something with my 30-2 baby stay. I actually saw a 
30-1 near by with a 3 or 4 to 1 purchase with a cam cleat (like a traditional 
boom vang) for his baby stay. I very much like this idea in that it is a) 
removable and b) could be tension-ed for mid section mast bend in blowy 
conditions. I hope to do away with the cable and replace with Dyneema or eq, 
and then connect the purchase to the bottom of that.  


It's not high on my project list right now however.


Kevin
Portland
30-2


On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:49 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

  Yep, pelican hook, same here.

  Josh Muckley
  S/V Sea Hawk
  1989 CC 37+
  Solomons, MD 

  On Aug 18, 2015 5:36 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
wrote:

I terminated mine with a pelican hook. Works great.

Bill Bina

On 8/18/2015 5:29 PM, allen via CnC-List wrote:

  Readying Septima for some fall cruising. Given the milder winds here, 
I
  would like to have a quick disconnect on the base of the baby stay so 
I
  can tie it off to the mast freeing space to bring the dink up on the
  foredeck.
  What hardware is best in this application?
  Allen Miles
  s/v Septima
  Hampton, VA





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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay on 30-2

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Nor does mine otherwise I wouldn't be looking at the vang tension solution.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:09 AM allen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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 Not my model.  The 30XL and 30R models did.

 Allen Miles
 s/v Septima
 Hampton, VA

 *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:51 PM
 *To:* CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Baby Stay on 30-2

 Does the CC 30 have a deck track which provides more or less tension on
 the baby stay?

 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 CC 37+
 Solomons, MD
 On Aug 18, 2015 7:16 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Snap shackle on mine

 Joel

 On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I too would like to do something with my 30-2 baby stay. I actually saw
 a 30-1 near by with a 3 or 4 to 1 purchase with a cam cleat (like a
 traditional boom vang) for his baby stay. I very much like this idea in
 that it is a) removable and b) could be tension-ed for mid section mast
 bend in blowy conditions. I hope to do away with the cable and replace with
 Dyneema or eq, and then connect the purchase to the bottom of that.

 It's not high on my project list right now however.

 Kevin
 Portland
 30-2

 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:49 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Yep, pelican hook, same here.

 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 CC 37+
 Solomons, MD
 On Aug 18, 2015 5:36 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I terminated mine with a pelican hook. Works great.

 Bill Bina

 On 8/18/2015 5:29 PM, allen via CnC-List wrote:

 Readying Septima for some fall cruising. Given the milder winds here,
 I
 would like to have a quick disconnect on the base of the baby stay so
 I
 can tie it off to the mast freeing space to bring the dink up on the
 foredeck.
 What hardware is best in this application?
 Allen Miles
 s/v Septima
 Hampton, VA





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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay on 30-2

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Readying Septima for some fall cruising. Given the milder winds here, I would 
like to have a quick disconnect on the base of the baby stay so I can tie it 
off to the mast freeing space to bring the dink up on the foredeck.

What hardware is best in this application?

Allen Miles
s/v Septima
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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay on 30-2

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yep, pelican hook, same here.

Josh Muckley
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1989 CC 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 18, 2015 5:36 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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 I terminated mine with a pelican hook. Works great.

 Bill Bina

 On 8/18/2015 5:29 PM, allen via CnC-List wrote:

 Readying Septima for some fall cruising. Given the milder winds here, I
 would like to have a quick disconnect on the base of the baby stay so I
 can tie it off to the mast freeing space to bring the dink up on the
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 What hardware is best in this application?
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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay on 30-2

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I terminated mine with a pelican hook. Works great.

Bill Bina

On 8/18/2015 5:29 PM, allen via CnC-List wrote:

Readying Septima for some fall cruising. Given the milder winds here, I
would like to have a quick disconnect on the base of the baby stay so I
can tie it off to the mast freeing space to bring the dink up on the
foredeck.
What hardware is best in this application?
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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay on 30-2

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Does the CC 30 have a deck track which provides more or less tension on
the baby stay?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 CC 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 18, 2015 7:16 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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 Snap shackle on mine

 Joel

 On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I too would like to do something with my 30-2 baby stay. I actually saw a
 30-1 near by with a 3 or 4 to 1 purchase with a cam cleat (like a
 traditional boom vang) for his baby stay. I very much like this idea in
 that it is a) removable and b) could be tension-ed for mid section mast
 bend in blowy conditions. I hope to do away with the cable and replace with
 Dyneema or eq, and then connect the purchase to the bottom of that.

 It's not high on my project list right now however.

 Kevin
 Portland
 30-2

 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:49 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Yep, pelican hook, same here.

 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 CC 37+
 Solomons, MD
 On Aug 18, 2015 5:36 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

 I terminated mine with a pelican hook. Works great.

 Bill Bina

 On 8/18/2015 5:29 PM, allen via CnC-List wrote:

 Readying Septima for some fall cruising. Given the milder winds here, I
 would like to have a quick disconnect on the base of the baby stay so I
 can tie it off to the mast freeing space to bring the dink up on the
 foredeck.
 What hardware is best in this application?
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 s/v Septima
 Hampton, VA





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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay on 30-2

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I too would like to do something with my 30-2 baby stay. I actually saw a
30-1 near by with a 3 or 4 to 1 purchase with a cam cleat (like a
traditional boom vang) for his baby stay. I very much like this idea in
that it is a) removable and b) could be tension-ed for mid section mast
bend in blowy conditions. I hope to do away with the cable and replace with
Dyneema or eq, and then connect the purchase to the bottom of that.

It's not high on my project list right now however.

Kevin
Portland
30-2

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:49 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Yep, pelican hook, same here.

 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 CC 37+
 Solomons, MD
 On Aug 18, 2015 5:36 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

 I terminated mine with a pelican hook. Works great.

 Bill Bina

 On 8/18/2015 5:29 PM, allen via CnC-List wrote:

 Readying Septima for some fall cruising. Given the milder winds here, I
 would like to have a quick disconnect on the base of the baby stay so I
 can tie it off to the mast freeing space to bring the dink up on the
 foredeck.
 What hardware is best in this application?
 Allen Miles
 s/v Septima
 Hampton, VA





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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay on 30-2

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Snap shackle on mine

Joel

On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I too would like to do something with my 30-2 baby stay. I actually saw a
 30-1 near by with a 3 or 4 to 1 purchase with a cam cleat (like a
 traditional boom vang) for his baby stay. I very much like this idea in
 that it is a) removable and b) could be tension-ed for mid section mast
 bend in blowy conditions. I hope to do away with the cable and replace with
 Dyneema or eq, and then connect the purchase to the bottom of that.

 It's not high on my project list right now however.

 Kevin
 Portland
 30-2

 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:49 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
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 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote:

 Yep, pelican hook, same here.

 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 CC 37+
 Solomons, MD
 On Aug 18, 2015 5:36 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote:

 I terminated mine with a pelican hook. Works great.

 Bill Bina

 On 8/18/2015 5:29 PM, allen via CnC-List wrote:

 Readying Septima for some fall cruising. Given the milder winds here, I
 would like to have a quick disconnect on the base of the baby stay so I
 can tie it off to the mast freeing space to bring the dink up on the
 foredeck.
 What hardware is best in this application?
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 s/v Septima
 Hampton, VA





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Re: Stus-List baby stay on a 38Mk2

[phorvati . via CnC-List]

So I just went up there again to fix the steaming light, and the crack is
less than an inch.  I'm thinkingof just keepig an eye on it to make sure it
doesn't expand.   If I do dynema I have to make sure shackles and thimbles
are rated for same strength.  Is a 1/4 stainless  thimble same rating as
1/4 dyneema, 7200lbs?
On Aug 3, 2015 5:21 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

 I bet the Dyneema will do the trick easily. That's what I would do.
 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Has anyone replaced the baby stay on a 38 Mk2.  It is a ¼” 1/19 wire
 braid.

 I am asking b/c I discovered a crack at the swage on the mast end.  Crack
 is pretty good, about 1.5” longitudinal.

 I’m weighing in the following options

 1.   Send to rigger and have him swage identical replacement (likely
 no sailing this weekend)

 2.   Get sta-lock or norseman terminals and swage it myself, I have
 spare ¼” wire rope.

 3.   Use some of the Dyneema SK78 7mm line I have to make a
 babystay.  Its 7200lbs and I originally bought it for my running backstays.



 A while back I added an inner forestay with ¼” wire rope, and running
 backstays so I have support at the second spreader, but if I leave it for
 the offseason, this crack will linger in the back of my mind every time I
 head out.



 Petar Horvatic

 Sundowner

 76 CC 38MkII

 Newport, RI







 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Hoyt,
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 Harold



 Larger diameter sheets maybe?



 Is there any relation to Andrew and Karen Higginbottom in Nova Scotia?



 Mike

 Persistence

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 *Subject:* Stus-List winches



 Have an original equipment Barient 27 two speed self tailer winch on my
 35-3 which allows the genoa sheet to slip under load, even when there are
 three wraps on the winch. The self tailer does not hold the line in a
 predictable fashion, releasing at the most inconvenient times., Is this a
 common problem, and is there anyway of improving the grip with either a
 replacement part or modifying the existing serrations. The sheets are
 relatively new, and only one winch has this problem.

 Harold

 Celtic Spirit

 Hamilton, ON.

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Re: Stus-List baby stay on a 38Mk2

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I bet the Dyneema will do the trick easily. That's what I would do.
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Has anyone replaced the baby stay on a 38 Mk2.  It is a ¼” 1/19 wire braid.

 I am asking b/c I discovered a crack at the swage on the mast end.  Crack
 is pretty good, about 1.5” longitudinal.

 I’m weighing in the following options

 1.   Send to rigger and have him swage identical replacement (likely
 no sailing this weekend)

 2.   Get sta-lock or norseman terminals and swage it myself, I have
 spare ¼” wire rope.

 3.   Use some of the Dyneema SK78 7mm line I have to make a
 babystay.  Its 7200lbs and I originally bought it for my running backstays.



 A while back I added an inner forestay with ¼” wire rope, and running
 backstays so I have support at the second spreader, but if I leave it for
 the offseason, this crack will linger in the back of my mind every time I
 head out.



 Petar Horvatic

 Sundowner

 76 CC 38MkII

 Newport, RI







 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Hoyt,
 Mike via CnC-List
 *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2015 8:45 AM
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List winches



 Harold



 Larger diameter sheets maybe?



 Is there any relation to Andrew and Karen Higginbottom in Nova Scotia?



 Mike

 Persistence

 (currently in Cape Breton)



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 *patricia
 barkley-higginbottom via CnC-List
 *Sent:* Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:42 PM
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* patricia barkley-higginbottom
 *Subject:* Stus-List winches



 Have an original equipment Barient 27 two speed self tailer winch on my
 35-3 which allows the genoa sheet to slip under load, even when there are
 three wraps on the winch. The self tailer does not hold the line in a
 predictable fashion, releasing at the most inconvenient times., Is this a
 common problem, and is there anyway of improving the grip with either a
 replacement part or modifying the existing serrations. The sheets are
 relatively new, and only one winch has this problem.

 Harold

 Celtic Spirit

 Hamilton, ON.

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Stus-List baby stay on a 38Mk2

[Petar Horvatic via CnC-List]

Has anyone replaced the baby stay on a 38 Mk2.  It is a ¼” 1/19 wire braid.

I am asking b/c I discovered a crack at the swage on the mast end.  Crack is
pretty good, about 1.5” longitudinal.  

I’m weighing in the following options

1.   Send to rigger and have him swage identical replacement (likely no
sailing this weekend)

2.   Get sta-lock or norseman terminals and swage it myself, I have
spare ¼” wire rope.  

3.   Use some of the Dyneema SK78 7mm line I have to make a babystay.
Its 7200lbs and I originally bought it for my running backstays. 

 

A while back I added an inner forestay with ¼” wire rope, and running
backstays so I have support at the second spreader, but if I leave it for
the offseason, this crack will linger in the back of my mind every time I
head out.

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 CC 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

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Mike via CnC-List
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List winches

 

Harold

 

Larger diameter sheets maybe?

 

Is there any relation to Andrew and Karen Higginbottom in Nova Scotia?

 

Mike

Persistence

(currently in Cape Breton)

 

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Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:42 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: patricia barkley-higginbottom
Subject: Stus-List winches

 

Have an original equipment Barient 27 two speed self tailer winch on my 35-3
which allows the genoa sheet to slip under load, even when there are three
wraps on the winch. The self tailer does not hold the line in a predictable
fashion, releasing at the most inconvenient times., Is this a common
problem, and is there anyway of improving the grip with either a replacement
part or modifying the existing serrations. The sheets are relatively new,
and only one winch has this problem.

Harold

Celtic Spirit

Hamilton, ON.

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Re: Stus-List baby stay on a 38Mk2

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Replaced the one on my 35/3 with wire, but if I had the dyneema lying
around I would have done a DIY.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Has anyone replaced the baby stay on a 38 Mk2.  It is a ¼” 1/19 wire braid.

 I am asking b/c I discovered a crack at the swage on the mast end.  Crack
 is pretty good, about 1.5” longitudinal.

 I’m weighing in the following options

 1.   Send to rigger and have him swage identical replacement (likely
 no sailing this weekend)

 2.   Get sta-lock or norseman terminals and swage it myself, I have
 spare ¼” wire rope.

 3.   Use some of the Dyneema SK78 7mm line I have to make a
 babystay.  Its 7200lbs and I originally bought it for my running backstays.



 A while back I added an inner forestay with ¼” wire rope, and running
 backstays so I have support at the second spreader, but if I leave it for
 the offseason, this crack will linger in the back of my mind every time I
 head out.



 Petar Horvatic

 Sundowner

 76 CC 38MkII

 Newport, RI







 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Hoyt,
 Mike via CnC-List
 *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2015 8:45 AM
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List winches



 Harold



 Larger diameter sheets maybe?



 Is there any relation to Andrew and Karen Higginbottom in Nova Scotia?



 Mike

 Persistence

 (currently in Cape Breton)



 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
 *patricia
 barkley-higginbottom via CnC-List
 *Sent:* Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:42 PM
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* patricia barkley-higginbottom
 *Subject:* Stus-List winches



 Have an original equipment Barient 27 two speed self tailer winch on my
 35-3 which allows the genoa sheet to slip under load, even when there are
 three wraps on the winch. The self tailer does not hold the line in a
 predictable fashion, releasing at the most inconvenient times., Is this a
 common problem, and is there anyway of improving the grip with either a
 replacement part or modifying the existing serrations. The sheets are
 relatively new, and only one winch has this problem.

 Harold

 Celtic Spirit

 Hamilton, ON.

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Re: Stus-List baby stay on a 38Mk2

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Petar,

If this functions the same the baby stay on the 35-3, you should be able to
sail without it - no need to miss out on sailing this weekend...

Tim
Mojito
CC 35-3
Branford, CT

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Has anyone replaced the baby stay on a 38 Mk2.  It is a ¼” 1/19 wire braid.

 I am asking b/c I discovered a crack at the swage on the mast end.  Crack
 is pretty good, about 1.5” longitudinal.

 I’m weighing in the following options

 1.   Send to rigger and have him swage identical replacement (likely
 no sailing this weekend)

 2.   Get sta-lock or norseman terminals and swage it myself, I have
 spare ¼” wire rope.

 3.   Use some of the Dyneema SK78 7mm line I have to make a
 babystay.  Its 7200lbs and I originally bought it for my running backstays.



 A while back I added an inner forestay with ¼” wire rope, and running
 backstays so I have support at the second spreader, but if I leave it for
 the offseason, this crack will linger in the back of my mind every time I
 head out.



 Petar Horvatic

 Sundowner

 76 CC 38MkII

 Newport, RI







 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Hoyt,
 Mike via CnC-List
 *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2015 8:45 AM
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List winches



 Harold



 Larger diameter sheets maybe?



 Is there any relation to Andrew and Karen Higginbottom in Nova Scotia?



 Mike

 Persistence

 (currently in Cape Breton)



 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
 *patricia
 barkley-higginbottom via CnC-List
 *Sent:* Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:42 PM
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* patricia barkley-higginbottom
 *Subject:* Stus-List winches



 Have an original equipment Barient 27 two speed self tailer winch on my
 35-3 which allows the genoa sheet to slip under load, even when there are
 three wraps on the winch. The self tailer does not hold the line in a
 predictable fashion, releasing at the most inconvenient times., Is this a
 common problem, and is there anyway of improving the grip with either a
 replacement part or modifying the existing serrations. The sheets are
 relatively new, and only one winch has this problem.

 Harold

 Celtic Spirit

 Hamilton, ON.

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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

[Stevan Plavsa]

Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this
city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot more
interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never dealt with
tides and currents. Is the sailing very challenging out there? Do you haul
your boat over winter?

I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty
often. Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art 
design and Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general is
very appealing!

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on the floor
 of the vee birth.

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto


 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott 
 robertabb...@eastlink.cawrote:

 Steve:

 Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle connected to the
 deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs from the deck to the floor
 connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull of the baby stay.

 A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby stay off the
 boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed it there, I have left mine on.  It does
 make tacking a little more cumbersome.

 Bob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax, NS


 On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

 Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but your feedback leaves me with some
 peace of mind and that'll make the job, any job, easier.
 Bob, no baby stay on mine . weird eh? I know the 32 had one, mine
 doesn't.
 However mine does have a weird metal tube thingy on the floor of the vee
 birth .. right by the door. The surveyor guessed that it might have had
 something to do with a baby stay though there is no evidence on deck of
 there ever being one. Is your baby stay just connected to a fitting on
 deck? I'm hull number 59 so I figure by then they would have settled on how
 they were building these but i guess not.

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto






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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

[Stevan Plavsa]

Woops ... sorry didn't mean to send that to the entire list!
If any other listers from Halifax want to chime in please feel free to
email me offline.
Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto



On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this
 city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot more
 interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never dealt with
 tides and currents. Is the sailing very challenging out there? Do you haul
 your boat over winter?

 I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty
 often. Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art 
 design and Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general is
 very appealing!


 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto


 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on the floor
 of the vee birth.

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto


 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca
  wrote:

 Steve:

 Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle connected to the
 deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs from the deck to the floor
 connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull of the baby stay.

 A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby stay off the
 boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed it there, I have left mine on.  It does
 make tacking a little more cumbersome.

 Bob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax, NS


 On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

 Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but your feedback leaves me with some
 peace of mind and that'll make the job, any job, easier.
 Bob, no baby stay on mine . weird eh? I know the 32 had one, mine
 doesn't.
 However mine does have a weird metal tube thingy on the floor of the
 vee birth .. right by the door. The surveyor guessed that it might have had
 something to do with a baby stay though there is no evidence on deck of
 there ever being one. Is your baby stay just connected to a fitting on
 deck? I'm hull number 59 so I figure by then they would have settled on how
 they were building these but i guess not.

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto







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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

[Hoyt, Mike]

Steve
 
The water tastes different when it splashes all over your face
 
Sailing is good in Halifax.  Generally consistent breezes, tides are an
issue a bit due to currents but more so in that where you had plenty of
water 6 hours ago you will have less now.  All obstacles in Halifax area
are well marked and the water is very deep - you can sail within feet of
the shore in most areas before tacking.
 
In Halifax you have a number of clubs situated in Northwest Arm,
Shearwater (near Eastern Passage), Dartmouth and Bedford.  You can pick
flatter water in the Basin area of more open water near the Harbour
approaches.  In Halifax there are a number of public docks downtown as
well as some in Dartmouth.  You can tie up for the afternoon or evening
and go to a restaurant or to Buskers etc ... 
 
Leaving Halifax harbour and approaches you turn right and sail to
destinations such as St Margaret's Bay where there is typically more and
steady breezes.  While there be on the lookout for Dwight in his 35.  I
believe that is about a 30 mile trek from Halifax by water.  In between
there is a popular overnight anchorage Rogues Roost and a few other
small inlets.  Past St Margaret's Bay and Peggy's Cove you come to
Mahone Bay, then Lunenburg and that whole area.  Excellent destination
and sailing.  Keep on going and you can pass Yarmouth and sail across
the Gulf of Maine destinations in New England and beyond.
 
leave Halifax and turn left and there are less sailing areas but there
are some interesting harbours.  120+ NM and you are nearing Canso,
Chedabucto Bay and the choice to go to the Bras d'Ors Lakes in Cape
Breton (world renowned) or thru the causeway to Georges Bay and then
left to Northumberland Strait (where I sail) which is bordered by Nova
Scotia, Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick.  Rather than turning
left into Northumberland Strait you can continue on around PEI to the
Magdalene Islands.
 
In Halifax, Mahone Bay, Lunenenburg/South Shore areas the waters are
very cold.  Hearty people love to go for a swim but it had better be
warm weather and later in the summer.  In the Bras d'Ors lakes it warms
up in August and the water is great for swimming at anchor.  In the
Northumberland Strait water is 20+ deg C by 2nd week of July and all
summer.  Typically 24 in our Bay.
 
Downside of sailing in Halifax and on that coast is fog.  With a SW wind
it is often just off the coast and some days you will find yourself
sailing thru very thick fog.  This is not so nice when you consider that
Halifax is a major commercial port.  Mahone Bay stretches inland and is
mostly fog free.  Bras d'Ors Lakes and Northumberland Strait are spoiled
but never see fog (almost never).
 
If you like racing you can go just about anywhere in Halifax, St
Margaret's Bay, Chester, Lunenburg, etc on that coast or Charlottetown,
Shediac and other p[laces on the Northern shore of Nova Scotia.  Also
Beddeck in Bras D'Ors Lakes and Sydney in Cape Breton.
 
So basically if you love sailing there is a lifetime's worth of it in
Halifax if you like to venture out of port once in a while and fun
sailing in Halifax if you don't.  I sail in the Northumberland Strait in
Amet Sound June, July and August while it is warm, unpolluted and great
summer weather (light winds mostly) and then in Halifax in the Fall for
a bit of fun on windier brisk days - 250 NM by water or a quick two hour
drive with boat on a trailer.
 
Hope this helps
 
Mike


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Stevan Plavsa
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay


Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of
this city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot
more interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never
dealt with tides and currents. Is the sailing very challenging out
there? Do you haul your boat over winter? 

I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty
often. Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art 
design and Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general
is very appealing!


Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com
wrote:


Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on
the floor of the vee birth.  

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott
robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote:


Steve:

Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle
connected to the deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs from the deck
to the floor connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull
of the baby stay.

A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby
stay off the boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed

Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

[Knowles Rich]

Bob!  Don't give any secrets away!  Tell him that this is one of the world's 
great places to go sailing and that the entire ocean goes up and down 6' or so 
around Halifax a couple of times a day without any problems most of the time. 
Other than that, s!

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-05-22, at 10:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:

Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this city 
.. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot more interesting 
than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never dealt with tides and 
currents. Is the sailing very challenging out there? Do you haul your boat over 
winter?

I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty often. 
Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art  design and 
Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general is very appealing!

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on the floor of 
 the vee birth. 
 
 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto
 
 
 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca 
 wrote:
 Steve:
 
 Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle connected to the 
 deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs from the deck to the floor 
 connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull of the baby stay.
 
 A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby stay off the 
 boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed it there, I have left mine on.  It does 
 make tacking a little more cumbersome.
 
 Bob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax, NS
 
 
 On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
 Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but your feedback leaves me with some 
 peace of mind and that'll make the job, any job, easier.
 Bob, no baby stay on mine . weird eh? I know the 32 had one, mine doesn't.
 However mine does have a weird metal tube thingy on the floor of the vee 
 birth .. right by the door. The surveyor guessed that it might have had 
 something to do with a baby stay though there is no evidence on deck of 
 there ever being one. Is your baby stay just connected to a fitting on 
 deck? I'm hull number 59 so I figure by then they would have settled on how 
 they were building these but i guess not.
 
 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

[Jeffrey Nelson]

Sailing in and around Halifax is awesome. You can have the world as your 
destination if you have time.
There are many little islands and coves to anchor in and there are 5 clubs in 
Halifax to choose your racing
from. There is a Metro circuit if you want to race most weekends. Cruising down 
to Chester is about a 
day's sail. Tidal range in and around Halifax is about 6 feet. Lots to do and 
see. There is a cruising 
guide available at the Binnacle ca.binnacle.com to get an idea of cruising 
around here.

I moved back from Ottawa, and enjoying life here on the Right coast and am 
really enjoying the sailing
here in Halifax area. Of course, I've always been used to tides as I grew up 
here and have a cottage on
the Bay of Fundy where I have 43 feet of tide at 12 knots or so...

--
Cheers,
 Jeff Nelson
 Muir Caileag
 CC 30
 Armdale Yacht Club

On 05/22/13, Stevan Plavsa  stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this 
 city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot more 
 interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never dealt with 
 tides and currents. Is the sailing very challenging out there? Do you haul 
 your boat over winter? 
 
 I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty often. 
 Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art  design and 
 Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general is very 
 appealing!
 
 
 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto
 
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
  Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on the floor of 
  the vee birth.  
  
  Steve
  Suhana, CC 32
  Toronto
  
  
   
  
  On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca 
  wrote:
  
Steve:
   
   
   
   Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle connected to the 
   deck.there is a 'SS rod' that runs from the deck to the floor 
   connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull of the baby 
   stay.

   
   A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby stay off the 
   boat(s). Since Rob Ball designed it there, I have left mine on. It does 
   make tacking a little more cumbersome.
   
   
   
   Bob Abbott
   
   AZURA
   
   CC 32 - 84
   
   Halifax, NS
   
   
   
   
   
   On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
   
   
 Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but your feedback leaves me with some 
peace of mind and that'll make the job, any job, easier.

Bob, no baby stay on mine . weird eh? I know the 32 had one, mine 
doesn't.

However mine does have a weird metal tube thingy on the floor of the 
vee birth .. right by the door. The surveyor guessed that it might have 
had something to do with a baby stay though there is no evidence on 
deck of there ever being one. Is your baby stay just connected to a 
fitting on deck? I'm hull number 59 so I figure by then they would have 
settled on how they were building these but i guess not.
 

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto




 
   
   
   
   

  
  
  
   
  
  
 
 
 
  

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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

[Stevan Plavsa]

Wow guys, great feedback! Thank you very much for taking the time to
write... and so quickly!
Do the boats go on the hard for the winter and how long is the sailing
season?!?
I have yet to visit but the next trip I take will be to see the east coast
with my girlfriend. Neither of us have ever been though I've been out west
several times. It's cloudy out there and there are a lot of hippies.

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto



On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jeffrey Nelson nelson2...@eastlink.cawrote:

 Sailing in and around Halifax is awesome.  You can have the world as  your
 destination if you have time.
 There are many little islands and coves to anchor in and there are 5 clubs
 in Halifax to choose your racing
 from.  There is a Metro circuit if you want to race most weekends.
 Cruising down to Chester is about a
 day's sail.  Tidal range in and around Halifax is about 6 feet.  Lots to
 do and see.  There is a cruising
 guide available at the Binnacle ca.binnacle.com to get an idea of
 cruising around here.

 I moved back from Ottawa, and enjoying life here on the Right coast and
 am really enjoying the sailing
 here in Halifax area.  Of course, I've always been used to tides as I grew
 up here and have a cottage on
 the Bay of Fundy where I have 43 feet of tide at 12 knots or so...

 --
 Cheers,
Jeff Nelson
Muir Caileag
CC 30
Armdale Yacht Club


 On 05/22/13, *Stevan Plavsa * stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this
 city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax? I'm sure it's a lot more
 interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a lake I've never dealt with
 tides and currents. Is the sailing very challenging out there? Do you haul
 your boat over winter?

 I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings at NSCAD pretty
 often. Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed, particularly art 
 design and Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the east coast in general is
 very appealing!

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto


 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on the floor
 of the vee birth.

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto


 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca
  wrote:

 Steve:

 Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle connected to the
 deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs from the deck to the floor
 connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull of the baby stay.

 A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby stay off the
 boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed it there, I have left mine on.  It does
 make tacking a little more cumbersome.

 Bob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax, NS


 On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

 Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but your feedback leaves me with some
 peace of mind and that'll make the job, any job, easier.
 Bob, no baby stay on mine . weird eh? I know the 32 had one, mine
 doesn't.
 However mine does have a weird metal tube thingy on the floor of the
 vee birth .. right by the door. The surveyor guessed that it might have had
 something to do with a baby stay though there is no evidence on deck of
 there ever being one. Is your baby stay just connected to a fitting on
 deck? I'm hull number 59 so I figure by then they would have settled on how
 they were building these but i guess not.

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto







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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay - Now Halifax Sailing

[Hoyt, Mike]

Yes to on the hard.  However three clubs in Halifax provide some in
water storage using bubbling systems (RNSYS, AYC, DYC).  This is mostly
for larger boats.  Season starts about now (racing has been underway for
three weeks I believe at RNSYS and the first open regatta was last week
at AYC) and ends typically by mid - end October.  The last open race is
typically Die Hard Race out of AYC around Oct 23.  Two years ago was 7
deg North Wind 25+ knots on that race.  Most boats have begun haukling
by then.  On Northumberland Strait it gets cold or rainy after about mid
Sept so boats tend to launch a couple weeks later and haul a couple
weeks earlier than in Halifax and in Charlottetown etc ...  
 
Sailing is AWESOME in Halifax in the Fall!  If you are the kind of
sailor that loves a quick sail where you get back to dock with all your
charts and other items on the cabin floor after a sail then you will
love a typical Fall Day here.  
 
Mike



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Stevan Plavsa
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay


Wow guys, great feedback! Thank you very much for taking the time to
write... and so quickly! 
Do the boats go on the hard for the winter and how long is the sailing
season?!?
I have yet to visit but the next trip I take will be to see the east
coast with my girlfriend. Neither of us have ever been though I've been
out west several times. It's cloudy out there and there are a lot of
hippies.

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto



On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jeffrey Nelson nelson2...@eastlink.ca
wrote:


Sailing in and around Halifax is awesome.  You can have the
world as  your destination if you have time.
There are many little islands and coves to anchor in and there
are 5 clubs in Halifax to choose your racing
from.  There is a Metro circuit if you want to race most
weekends.  Cruising down to Chester is about a 
day's sail.  Tidal range in and around Halifax is about 6 feet.
Lots to do and see.  There is a cruising 
guide available at the Binnacle ca.binnacle.com to get an idea
of cruising around here.

I moved back from Ottawa, and enjoying life here on the Right
coast and am really enjoying the sailing
here in Halifax area.  Of course, I've always been used to tides
as I grew up here and have a cottage on
the Bay of Fundy where I have 43 feet of tide at 12 knots or
so...

--
Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
   CC 30
   Armdale Yacht Club 


On 05/22/13, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: 

Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's
getting tired of this city .. what's the sailing like out in Halifax?
I'm sure it's a lot more interesting than Lake Ontario but coming from a
lake I've never dealt with tides and currents. Is the sailing very
challenging out there? Do you haul your boat over winter? 

I work at OCAD University and I check the job postings
at NSCAD pretty often. Nothing yet but I want to stay in higher ed,
particularly art  design and Halifax is very appealing. In fact, the
east coast in general is very appealing!


Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Stevan Plavsa
stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:


Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the
fitting/tube thingy on the floor of the vee birth.  

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott
robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote:


Steve:

Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on
a tunrbuckle connected to the deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs
from the deck to the floor connection in the vee birth that supports the
upwards pull of the baby stay.

A few of the 32 owners here have simply
taken their baby stay off the boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed it
there, I have left mine on.  It does make tacking a little more
cumbersome.

Bob Abbott
AZURA
CC 32 - 84
Halifax, NS


On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa
wrote:


Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but
your feedback leaves me with some peace of mind and that'll make the
job, any job, easier

Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

[dwight veinot]

Yea Steve, pay attention to what Mike says, it's too foggy and cold down
here to make a move for better sailing worth it to you, and the water is not
fit to drink.

 

Launch date for me is early this year 11 June, because of cold, fog, high
winds and lines that stream from lobster pots until the end of May.  Halifax
harbour is plugged with cargo ships and cruise liners that refuse to get out
of your way and often cause a lot of trouble for smaller boats in just
passing by.  There is a beach just at the entrance to the inner harbour
called Hangman's beach for a reason and that is pretty creepy too.  

 

On the other hand the university arts program has just received a nice boost
from a good sized private donation so that may be good for you from an
employment perspective.

 

Why not make a visit first and get out for a sail.  Any numbers of us down
here would be happy to oblige.  I sail mostly in St. Margaret's Bay if that
interests you so there is one offer already.

 

Dwight Veinot

CC 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike
Sent: May 22, 2013 10:42 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

 

Steve

 

The water tastes different when it splashes all over your face

 

Sailing is good in Halifax.  Generally consistent breezes, tides are an
issue a bit due to currents but more so in that where you had plenty of
water 6 hours ago you will have less now.  All obstacles in Halifax area are
well marked and the water is very deep - you can sail within feet of the
shore in most areas before tacking.

 

In Halifax you have a number of clubs situated in Northwest Arm, Shearwater
(near Eastern Passage), Dartmouth and Bedford.  You can pick flatter water
in the Basin area of more open water near the Harbour approaches.  In
Halifax there are a number of public docks downtown as well as some in
Dartmouth.  You can tie up for the afternoon or evening and go to a
restaurant or to Buskers etc ... 

 

Leaving Halifax harbour and approaches you turn right and sail to
destinations such as St Margaret's Bay where there is typically more and
steady breezes.  While there be on the lookout for Dwight in his 35.  I
believe that is about a 30 mile trek from Halifax by water.  In between
there is a popular overnight anchorage Rogues Roost and a few other small
inlets.  Past St Margaret's Bay and Peggy's Cove you come to Mahone Bay,
then Lunenburg and that whole area.  Excellent destination and sailing.
Keep on going and you can pass Yarmouth and sail across the Gulf of Maine
destinations in New England and beyond.

 

leave Halifax and turn left and there are less sailing areas but there are
some interesting harbours.  120+ NM and you are nearing Canso, Chedabucto
Bay and the choice to go to the Bras d'Ors Lakes in Cape Breton (world
renowned) or thru the causeway to Georges Bay and then left to
Northumberland Strait (where I sail) which is bordered by Nova Scotia,
Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick.  Rather than turning left into
Northumberland Strait you can continue on around PEI to the Magdalene
Islands.

 

In Halifax, Mahone Bay, Lunenenburg/South Shore areas the waters are very
cold.  Hearty people love to go for a swim but it had better be warm weather
and later in the summer.  In the Bras d'Ors lakes it warms up in August and
the water is great for swimming at anchor.  In the Northumberland Strait
water is 20+ deg C by 2nd week of July and all summer.  Typically 24 in our
Bay.

 

Downside of sailing in Halifax and on that coast is fog.  With a SW wind it
is often just off the coast and some days you will find yourself sailing
thru very thick fog.  This is not so nice when you consider that Halifax is
a major commercial port.  Mahone Bay stretches inland and is mostly fog
free.  Bras d'Ors Lakes and Northumberland Strait are spoiled but never see
fog (almost never).

 

If you like racing you can go just about anywhere in Halifax, St Margaret's
Bay, Chester, Lunenburg, etc on that coast or Charlottetown, Shediac and
other p[laces on the Northern shore of Nova Scotia.  Also Beddeck in Bras
D'Ors Lakes and Sydney in Cape Breton.

 

So basically if you love sailing there is a lifetime's worth of it in
Halifax if you like to venture out of port once in a while and fun sailing
in Halifax if you don't.  I sail in the Northumberland Strait in Amet Sound
June, July and August while it is warm, unpolluted and great summer weather
(light winds mostly) and then in Halifax in the Fall for a bit of fun on
windier brisk days - 250 NM by water or a quick two hour drive with boat on
a trailer.

 

Hope this helps

 

Mike

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

Hey Bob, question for you from a Torontonian that's getting tired of this
city .. what's

Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

[Stevan Plavsa]

That's very generous and also awesome .. and another reason to visit!
I may take you up on it one day, just so long as there's room for my
girlfriend :)

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM, dwight veinot 
dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca wrote:

 ** ** ** ** ** **

 Yea Steve, pay attention to what Mike says, it’s too foggy and cold down
 here to make a move for better sailing worth it to you, and the water is
 not fit to drink.

 ** **

 Launch date for me is early this year 11 June, because of cold, fog, high
 winds and lines that stream from lobster pots until the end of May.  
 Halifax harbour is plugged with cargo ships and cruise liners that
 refuse to get out of your way and often cause a lot of trouble for smaller
 boats in just passing by.  There is a beach just at the entrance to the
 inner harbour called Hangman’s beach for a reason and that is pretty creepy
 too.  

 ** **

 On the other hand the university arts program has just received a nice
 boost from a good sized private donation so that may be good for you from
 an employment perspective.

 ** **

 Why not make a visit first and get out for a sail.  Any numbers of us down
 here would be happy to oblige.  I sail mostly in St. Margaret’s Bay if that
 interests you so there is one offer already.

 ** **

 Dwight Veinot

 CC 35 MKII, Alianna

 Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 ** **
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 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Hoyt,
 Mike
 *Sent:* May 22, 2013 10:42 AM

 *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Baby Stay
 

  ** **

 Steve

  

 The water tastes different when it splashes all over your face

  

 Sailing is good in Halifax.  Generally consistent breezes, tides
 are an issue a bit due to currents but more so in that where you had plenty
 of water 6 hours ago you will have less now.  All obstacles in Halifax
  area are well marked and the water is very deep - you can sail
 within feet of the shore in most areas before tacking.

  

 In **Halifax** you have a number of clubs situated in Northwest Arm,
 Shearwater (near Eastern Passage), **Dartmouth** and Bedford.
 You can pick flatter water in the Basin area of more open water near the
 Harbour approaches.  In **Halifax** there are a number of public docks
 downtown as well as some in Dartmouth.  You can tie up for the
 afternoon or evening and go to a restaurant or to Buskers etc ... 

  

 Leaving Halifax harbour and approaches you turn right and sail to
 destinations such as St Margaret's Bay where there is typically more and
 steady breezes.  While there be on the lookout for Dwight in his 35.  I
 believe that is about a 30 mile trek from Halifax by water.  In
 between there is a popular overnight anchorage Rogues Roost and a few
 other small inlets.  Past St Margaret's Bay and Peggy's Cove you come to *
 ***Mahone** **Bay, then Lunenburg and that whole area.  Excellent
 destination and sailing.  Keep on going and you can pass **Yarmouth** and
 sail across the **Gulf** of **Maine** destinations in **New England** and
 beyond.

  

 leave Halifax and turn left and there are less sailing areas but
 there are some interesting harbours.  120+ NM and you are nearing Canso,
 Chedabucto Bay and the choice to go to the Bras d'Ors Lakes in Cape Breton
 (world renowned) or thru the causeway to Georges Bay and then left to
 Northumberland Strait (where I sail) which is bordered by Nova Scotia,
 Prince **Ed**ward Island and New Brunswick.  Rather than turning left
 into Northumberland Strait you can continue on around **PEI** to the 
 Magdalene** **Islands.

  

 In **Halifax**, Mahone** **Bay, Lunenenburg/South Shore areas the
 waters are very cold.  Hearty people love to go for a swim but it had
 better be warm weather and later in the summer.  In the Bras d'Ors lakes it
 warms up in August and the water is great for swimming at anchor.  In the
 **Northumberland Strait** water is 20+ deg C by 2nd week of July and all
 summer.  Typically 24 in our Bay.

  

 Downside of sailing in Halifax and on that coast is fog.  With a
 SW wind it is often just off the coast and some days you will find yourself
 sailing thru very thick fog.  This is not so nice when you consider that *
 ***Halifax is a major commercial port.  Mahone** **Baystretches 
 inland and is mostly fog free.
 **Bras** **d'Ors** **Lakes** and **Northumberland Strait** are spoiled
 but never see fog (almost never).

  

 If you like racing you can go just about anywhere in Halifax, St
 Margaret's Bay, **Chester**, Lunenburg, etc on that coast or **
 Charlottetown**, Shediac and other p[laces on the Northern shore** of
 **Nova Scotia.  Also Beddeck in Bras D'Ors Lakes and Sydney in 
 Cape** **Breton

Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

[dwight veinot]

She can't be that big; the more the merrier

 

 

Dwight Veinot

CC 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: May 22, 2013 12:08 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

 

That's very generous and also awesome .. and another reason to visit!

I may take you up on it one day, just so long as there's room for my
girlfriend :)

 

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto

 

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM, dwight veinot
dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca wrote:

Yea Steve, pay attention to what Mike says, it's too foggy and cold down
here to make a move for better sailing worth it to you, and the water is not
fit to drink.

 

Launch date for me is early this year 11 June, because of cold, fog, high
winds and lines that stream from lobster pots until the end of May.  Halifax
harbour is plugged with cargo ships and cruise liners that refuse to get out
of your way and often cause a lot of trouble for smaller boats in just
passing by.  There is a beach just at the entrance to the inner harbour
called Hangman's beach for a reason and that is pretty creepy too.  

 

On the other hand the university arts program has just received a nice boost
from a good sized private donation so that may be good for you from an
employment perspective.

 

Why not make a visit first and get out for a sail.  Any numbers of us down
here would be happy to oblige.  I sail mostly in St. Margaret's Bay if that
interests you so there is one offer already.

 

Dwight Veinot

CC 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Re: Stus-List Baby Stay

[Stevan Plavsa]

Thanks Bob. That certainly explains the fitting/tube thingy on the floor of
the vee birth.

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.cawrote:

 Steve:

 Mine is hull #277the baby stay is on a tunrbuckle connected to the
 deck.there is a  'SS rod'  that runs from the deck to the floor
 connection in the vee birth that supports the upwards pull of the baby stay.

 A few of the 32 owners here have simply taken their baby stay off the
 boat(s).  Since Rob Ball designed it there, I have left mine on.  It does
 make tacking a little more cumbersome.

 Bob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax, NS


 On 2013/05/15 11:32 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

 Thanks all. I figured I'de be ok but your feedback leaves me with some
 peace of mind and that'll make the job, any job, easier.
 Bob, no baby stay on mine . weird eh? I know the 32 had one, mine doesn't.
 However mine does have a weird metal tube thingy on the floor of the vee
 birth .. right by the door. The surveyor guessed that it might have had
 something to do with a baby stay though there is no evidence on deck of
 there ever being one. Is your baby stay just connected to a fitting on
 deck? I'm hull number 59 so I figure by then they would have settled on how
 they were building these but i guess not.

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto





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