Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[n5ge]

Tom,

Email filters are not just for junk.  They can also be used to filter subjects
in the reflector I'm not interested in, like statements about us OF's and the
people that send them.

73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member
 

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:17:20 -0400, "Tommy Alderman" 
wrote:

>Such a wonderful reflector!! I just deleted 25 messages - NONE of which had
>a damn thing to do with Elecraft products or Elecraft technical issues. This
>is becoming not an Elecraft reflector for product or technical issues, but a
>place for all of you OF's to tell us how important you are. Think about it.
>
>Tom - W4BQF
>
>PS - Yes, I know OT subjects are encouraged by Elecraft.
>
[snip]

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[Elecraft] OT Subjects

[David Guernsey]

Interesting to see all the comments on this subject complaining about no 
Elecraft subjects.

 73 de Dave KJ6CBS
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Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[Gary Gregory]

Oh goodness me...why can't we all just get along?

Grin

Gary

On 20 July 2011 15:53, Dave Sergeant  wrote:

> > Such a wonderful reflector!! I just deleted 25 messages - NONE of which
> > had a damn thing to do with Elecraft products or Elecraft technical
> > issues. This is becoming not an Elecraft reflector for product or
> > technical issues, but a place for all of you OF's to tell us how
> > important you are. Think about it.
> >
>
> This issue keeps coming up, with all the usual replies. I delete the
> vast majority of messages in Mailwasher, some of them using filters on
> various things in the subject line, the rest manually. Some threads I
> don't even bother looking at. Also if folks remembered to put things
> like 'K3', 'KX3' etc in the subject it would make my job much easier.
> What little is left gets auto filtered into the Elecraft folder in my
> mail program, Pegasus Mail.
>
> I know it is not a big issue, but I also know many folks who subscribe
> and immediately unsubscribe because of the deluge. And I know that Eric
> won't entertain having seperate lists for different things. So the
> problem ain't going away. I am on quite a few mailing lists, but the
> sheer bulk of garbage on this one exceeds all the others put together.
>
> Think before you post. I won't comment again on it...
>
> 73 Dave G3YMC
>
> http://www.davesergeant.com
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Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[Dave Sergeant]

> Such a wonderful reflector!! I just deleted 25 messages - NONE of which
> had a damn thing to do with Elecraft products or Elecraft technical
> issues. This is becoming not an Elecraft reflector for product or
> technical issues, but a place for all of you OF's to tell us how
> important you are. Think about it.
> 

This issue keeps coming up, with all the usual replies. I delete the 
vast majority of messages in Mailwasher, some of them using filters on 
various things in the subject line, the rest manually. Some threads I 
don't even bother looking at. Also if folks remembered to put things 
like 'K3', 'KX3' etc in the subject it would make my job much easier. 
What little is left gets auto filtered into the Elecraft folder in my 
mail program, Pegasus Mail.

I know it is not a big issue, but I also know many folks who subscribe 
and immediately unsubscribe because of the deluge. And I know that Eric 
won't entertain having seperate lists for different things. So the 
problem ain't going away. I am on quite a few mailing lists, but the 
sheer bulk of garbage on this one exceeds all the others put together.

Think before you post. I won't comment again on it...

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com

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[Elecraft] KPA500 #156

[David Yarnes]

Hi All,

My KPA500 is up and running!  I'm sort of a neophyte when it comes to amps, 
but this has to be one of the very best.  It is very quiet, and pumps out 
500 watts with very little drive--about 30 watts or a bit less.

It's very simple to operate.  The auto-bandswitching works great, and you 
can monitor all sorts of things while operating.  I watch the PA temperature 
mostly.  You can tell when the fan kicks on, but you don't really hear it 
unless you put your ear right next to it.

I thought I might have a problem running it on 120 volts, but no problem. 
I've tried other amps that way, and been disappointed.  I think this amp 
must be very efficient, because the circuit I'm running it on isn't that 
husky, and another amp I have tended to throw the GFI breaker on occasion. 
I wish I had 240 volts, but it just isn't practical right now.

The QSK is excellent--and quiet.  I don't recall what the upper limit is 
speed wise, but it won't be a problem for me.  At 25 to 30 wpm it just hums 
right along.

Any rig can be used with this amp, but when married to a K3 it makes a 
superb combo.  I know a lot of folks think 500 watts isn't enough, but a 10 
DB boost, more or less, is pretty nice when things are a little dicey 
condition wise.  Obviously, for me, a bigger amp would present lots of 
problems without a 240 volt line.  Besides, I still plan to run 100 watts 
(or less) most of the time.

The fact that Elecraft was able to pack all of this in the same size cabinet 
as my K3 is something of a marvel in my view.  Everything fits neatly 
inside, but there isn't much room to spare.  I suspect this will become a 
very popular amp for DXpeditions.  An amp you can carry with one hand is 
hard to find!

Congratulations to the Elecraft team for another superb product.

Dave W7AQK








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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Question

[Jessie Oberreuter]

  The basic 15w K2 w/ internal ATU is my primary rig and, as a mostly
CW op, completely meets my needs.  My contesting partner, Ki7el, runs a
40m MFJ on sideband, and we do just fine together.  Personally, we love
the ability to pack our gear in a pair of laptop bags and be on the air
with no fuss.  I've also operated a fair amount of sideband on the K2 and
it servers me just fine :).
  I did buy the 100w PA with my K3 b/c I thought it would be nice to 
have at least one radio with some punch, but I practically never turn the 
wick up.
  Wait, you have a K3 but the K2 is your primary rig?  Yep.  The K3 is
the fancy shack rig; the K2 lives on my bedroom desk and also does all of
the contest traveling.  What can I say?  It's smaller, lighter, simpler,
more at home in the rough, and it's a great performer!


On Wed, 20 Jul 2011, ardujen...@aol.com wrote:

> QUESTION: For those who have only one radio to use for base station and
> occasional field operations have you found the K2 to be more than adequate or
> do  you recommend the K2/100 with external ATU? I am a casual operator; both
> CW  (90%) and SSB (10%).
>
> Do those of you who have or had  the K2/20 have regrets not getting  the
> K2/100?
>
> Thank you in advance for your feedback
>
> Alan KB7MBI
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[Elecraft] I have a dream... Elecraft adding monoband kits and offering a built K2 in SMD at half the size

[Chris Wagner]

In Europe, I like the 40 meter band. In SE Asia, 20 m usually works well.
While I love the existing pruduct range, I do miss monoband CW transceivers.

And when it comes to manufacturing, why no pack a K2 into something smaller
than the KX3?
Just dreaming...

73 de Chris KF6VCI  HS0ZFE
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[Elecraft] K2 Question

[Johnny Siu]

Hello Alan,
 
If you are mostly CW, 15 watt output from K2 would be adequate for most of the 
cases.  I find the K2+KAT2 combination is very good  for field day because of 
the low standby current.
 
However, KX3 will be on the pipe line and offers similar or better 
performance.  It will depend on whether you really like a through hole 
soldering kit.  If yes, go for K2.

TNX & 73,


Johnny VR2XMC

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主題︰ [Elecraft] K2 Question

QUESTION: For those who have only one radio to use for base station and  
occasional field operations have you found the K2 to be more than adequate or 
do  you recommend the K2/100 with external ATU? I am a casual operator; both 
CW  (90%) and SSB (10%).

Do those of you who have or had  the K2/20 have regrets not getting  the 
K2/100?

Thank you in advance for your feedback

Alan KB7MBI
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[Elecraft] K2 Question

[ARDUJENSKI]

QUESTION: For those who have only one radio to use for base station and  
occasional field operations have you found the K2 to be more than adequate or 
do  you recommend the K2/100 with external ATU? I am a casual operator; both 
CW  (90%) and SSB (10%).
 
Do those of you who have or had  the K2/20 have regrets not getting  the 
K2/100?
 
Thank you in advance for your feedback
 
Alan KB7MBI
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[Elecraft] For Sale: Palm Radio Mini-Paddle

[Ken Alexander]

Hi Folks,

I have for sale one Palm 817 Mini-Paddle.  This is a very nice, small 
(1" x 1" x 3") paddle perfect for portable use.  The Palm 817 is black 
to match a Yaesu FT-817 and come with a snap on magnetic base so it will 
stick to an FT-817's cabinet.  Elecraft cabinets are aluminum so it 
won't stick, but that means you can remove the base and then the package 
is even smaller and lighter!

Read about it and see it here:  http://www.mtechnologies.com/palm/

Comes complete with:
- Paddle
- Quick mount and magnets
- Cable with 1/8 inch plug
- Instruction booklet
- Box.  Mine didn't come with a carrying case but I still have the 
cardboard box it came in.  The paddle is darn near indestructible when 
retracted into its metal housing.

The paddle is in very good condition but is made for users with a light 
touch...not ham-fisted lids like me!

They currently retail for U.S. $109.95.  Then subtract $12 for the 
travel case I don't have and call it $97.95 plus shipping from the 
website above.  Elecraft sells them too but I couldn't locate the price 
on their website.

I'll sell mine for U.S. $75.00, which includes shipping anywhere in 
Canada and the U.S.A..  Pay by Paypal or money order (or personal cheque 
if you don't mind waiting for it to clear).

Many thanks,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS
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Re: [Elecraft] need some roofing filter advice?

[Don Wilhelm]

Ed is entirely correct.
Those who attempt to manipulate the shift and width to obtain an 
intelligible response on SSB are creating more trouble than it is worth.

For maximum voice intelligibility, the low frequency corner of the 
filter must remain at 300 Hz (or slightly lower).  The high frequency 
end can be cut drastically and the signal will still be intelligible.

Try it - set the Lo Cut to 250 or 300 Hz, and then reduce the HI-Cut to 
narrow the bandwidth.  You can achieve a very narrow bandwidth and still 
maintain intelligibility.

I have been setting K2 SSB filters to achieve that same result for a 
very long time.  Cut the highs, but leave the lows in place, and you can 
use a filter as narrow as 1500 Hz (or less) with excellent results.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/19/2011 9:51 PM, Ed Muns wrote:
> The K3 is entirely different.  I've been operating SSB with a 1.5 kHz
> bandwidth for three years now and it is perfectly intelligible.  On prior
> radios, though, I couldn't even get a 2.1 kHz filter to sound intelligible
> enough to be useful.  I think the difference is where the filter is located
> relative to the signal.  In the K3, narrow filtering on SSB sounds best if
> you simply reduce the HI CUT to get the desired bandwidth.  If you first
> reduce the WIDTH, then you have to also adjust SHIFT to optimize
> intelligibility.  (Note the word "intelligibility", not "high fidelity", the
> emphasis being on communication and the ability to copy.)
>
> You don't need to buy a crystal filter to try narrow SSB bandwidths.  Just
> use the DSP HI CUT control.  If you find a narrow SSB bandwidth you like to
> use regularly, AND also you need to protect the IF from very strong nearby
> signals, then consider a crystal filter of the appropriate bandwidth, ahead
> of the DSP.
>
> Ed - W0YK
>
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[Elecraft] For Sale: Buddistick Deluxe Portable Antenna System

[Ken Alexander]

I have a Buddistick Deluxe Package for sale.  See it on the Buddipole 
website at:
http://www.buddipole.com/buddistick-dlx-pkg.html

The package includes the following:

- Clamp for attaching to table or other objects
- Two 6-foot telescoping whips
- Two antenna arms
- Loading coil with a total of four moveable coil taps and a few extra knobs
- Base plate
- 31 foot Teflon coated counterpoise wire with hand reel
- Also comes with the optional mini-tripod (this is a small photographic 
type tripod ($24 option), NOT the the model Buddipole sell on their 
Antenna Accessories page for $85)
- Padded carrying case.  An official W3FF Antennas bag, but not as shown 
on the website.
- Instruction sheet

The antenna works very well, just add some coax and you have a complete 
portable antenna system!  Everything is in very good condition.

The system with optional tripod sells for U.S. $175 + $24 = $199 (plus 
shipping) on the Buddipole website.  I will sell for U.S. $130.00, which 
includes shipping anywhere in Canada or the U.S.A.  Contact me off the 
list if interested.

Many thanks,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS



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Re: [Elecraft] need some roofing filter advice?

[Ed Muns]

The K3 is entirely different.  I've been operating SSB with a 1.5 kHz
bandwidth for three years now and it is perfectly intelligible.  On prior
radios, though, I couldn't even get a 2.1 kHz filter to sound intelligible
enough to be useful.  I think the difference is where the filter is located
relative to the signal.  In the K3, narrow filtering on SSB sounds best if
you simply reduce the HI CUT to get the desired bandwidth.  If you first
reduce the WIDTH, then you have to also adjust SHIFT to optimize
intelligibility.  (Note the word "intelligibility", not "high fidelity", the
emphasis being on communication and the ability to copy.)

You don't need to buy a crystal filter to try narrow SSB bandwidths.  Just
use the DSP HI CUT control.  If you find a narrow SSB bandwidth you like to
use regularly, AND also you need to protect the IF from very strong nearby
signals, then consider a crystal filter of the appropriate bandwidth, ahead
of the DSP.

Ed - W0YK

Jack, WA9FVP, wrote: 
> I owned 5 transceivers in my lifetime and I purchased a 
> narrow (1.8) SSB
> filter for only one.   It was a total wast of money.   For me 
> the filter was
> too narrow for voice communications and if a nearby station 
> was too close
> the  splatter and the narrow passband made the situation 
> worse.   When I
> ordered my K3 I kept the stock 2.7/5 pole filter.  I ordered 
> the 250, 500, 6KHz and 13KHz (FM) filters. 

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Re: [Elecraft] need some roofing filter advice?

[Fred Atchley]

Jack wrote: I owned 5 transceivers in my lifetime and I purchased a narrow
(1.8) SSB

filter for only one.   It was a total wast of money.   For me the filter was

too narrow for voice communications and if a nearby station was too close

the  splatter and the narrow passband made the situation worse.



I have both the 2.1 and the 1.8 filters. They make the difference when there
is a big contest underway.

The secret is to use the "LO --- HI" adjustments together to "fit" the best
audio within the envelope. Its awesome how you can increase the
intelligibility while at the same time minimize unwanted adjacent signals.
Of course, there is nothing you can do about a strong signal right on you
frequency but that's not the fault of the 1.8 filter bandwidth. 

73, Fred

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Re: [Elecraft] need some roofing filter advice?

[wa9fvp]

I owned 5 transceivers in my lifetime and I purchased a narrow (1.8) SSB
filter for only one.   It was a total wast of money.   For me the filter was
too narrow for voice communications and if a nearby station was too close
the  splatter and the narrow passband made the situation worse.   When I
ordered my K3 I kept the stock 2.7/5 pole filter.  I ordered the 250, 500,
6KHz and 13KHz (FM) filters. 

-
Jack WA9FVP
Willco Electronics
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Re: [Elecraft] KN, BK, etc.

[george fritkin]

Gosh, there are many up-tight old timers on this reflector.
And what does this subject have to do with Elecraft?
73de
George, W6GF and love my two K3s.

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Re: [Elecraft] KN, BK, etc.

[Sandy]

Been following, to an extent, this thread.

Since ARRL has stopped adding "operating procedures, "Q" signals, etc. and 
the "proper protocol" for telegraphic exchanges to the annual "Handbook", 
the newbies have no place to go to find out what is "proper" and what is 
not.

Contesters are famous at abbreviating "proper protocol" to shorten the 
"contact time" in hopes of higher scores.  Many times this is confusing to 
the "newbie" and they are sort of left to their own devices instead of a 
proper "how to..."

I find operating etiquette is sometimes very crude and rude and it is rather 
awkward to try and voice a correction to some people without getting them 
"P.O.ed" at you.

We REALLY need to train the "newbies" to use correct and polite procedures 
instead of "CB lingo" and some of the shortened crap I hear nowadays.  Where 
is "THE OLD MAN" columns that used to appear in QST years ago?

73,

Sandy W5TVW
- Original Message - 
From: "Lou Kolb" 
To: "elecraft" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KN, BK, etc.


> Ron,
>
> I would say MOST people don't 0-beat well.  one of my favorite k3 features
> is how easy it is to spot and 0-beat with it.  lou WA3MIX
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" 
> To: "'stan levandowski'" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KN, BK, etc.
>
>
>> Stan, there's nothing like setting a good example. I was raised to
>> understand that respect for the rules of our land is respect for our
>> country. That is still my guiding principle.
>>
>> I, too (being old enough to remember laughing about the "Geritol Set"
>> before
>> becoming a member), continue to use prosigns exactly as the operating
>> guides
>> set them forth. I don't use them all, but commonly use SK at the end of 
>> my
>> last transmission of an exchange with another station, KN if I don't want
>> other calls breaking in (rarely used, but I do when the other signal is
>> marginal or when we're exchanging important information), of course 
>> always
>> DE between calls, and CL if I'm pulling the "big switch" and won't be
>> listening for other calls.
>>
>> After a CQ I also tune up and down at least 1 kHz for calls. Some folks
>> don't zero beat well, and there are still some xtal-controlled rigs out
>> there - often QRP in the hands of a very interesting operator I'll enjoy
>> chewing the rag with.
>>
>> I try hard to be charitable with those who use prosigns incorrectly but,
>> regarding DE or "this is", I will admit to a *very* curmudgeonly gut
>> reaction (close to 'up-chucking') when I hear someone on phone reverse 
>> the
>> proper order of call signs and say, "This is K6AAA standing by for 
>> W1BBB."
>>
>> In a word, "AARGH!"
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Ron AC7AC
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> So I just keep operating in my old fashioned way, striving for accuracy
>> and try to avoid picking up 'bad habits'.
>>
>>
>> 73, Stan WB2LQF
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[Phil Kane]

On 7/19/2011 4:06 PM, Don Putnick wrote:

> What would happen if Elecraft turned mail delivery off for a
> week as an experiment?

  My delete key would get rusty from disuse...  :-)


--  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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Re: [Elecraft] KN, BK, etc.

[Lou Kolb]

Ron,

I would say MOST people don't 0-beat well.  one of my favorite k3 features 
is how easy it is to spot and 0-beat with it.  lou WA3MIX
- Original Message - 
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" 
To: "'stan levandowski'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KN, BK, etc.


> Stan, there's nothing like setting a good example. I was raised to
> understand that respect for the rules of our land is respect for our
> country. That is still my guiding principle.
>
> I, too (being old enough to remember laughing about the "Geritol Set" 
> before
> becoming a member), continue to use prosigns exactly as the operating 
> guides
> set them forth. I don't use them all, but commonly use SK at the end of my
> last transmission of an exchange with another station, KN if I don't want
> other calls breaking in (rarely used, but I do when the other signal is
> marginal or when we're exchanging important information), of course always
> DE between calls, and CL if I'm pulling the "big switch" and won't be
> listening for other calls.
>
> After a CQ I also tune up and down at least 1 kHz for calls. Some folks
> don't zero beat well, and there are still some xtal-controlled rigs out
> there - often QRP in the hands of a very interesting operator I'll enjoy
> chewing the rag with.
>
> I try hard to be charitable with those who use prosigns incorrectly but,
> regarding DE or "this is", I will admit to a *very* curmudgeonly gut
> reaction (close to 'up-chucking') when I hear someone on phone reverse the
> proper order of call signs and say, "This is K6AAA standing by for W1BBB."
>
> In a word, "AARGH!"
>
> 73,
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
> -Original Message-
>
> So I just keep operating in my old fashioned way, striving for accuracy
> and try to avoid picking up 'bad habits'.
>
>
> 73, Stan WB2LQF
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[Phil Kane]

On 7/19/2011 3:04 PM, k...@baymoon.com wrote:

> I guess it would be cool if there was some macro that would stuff
> everything into the trash folder except the topics of interest to
> me. Or, maybe there already is such a macro.

  My e-mail client (Thunderbird) as does most if not every modern
  e-mail reader has such a tool - it's called a Message Filter.

  I tell it what to look for, and it routes it to a specified
  folder.  That's how I sort postings from various groups, and
  within the Elecraft group, general, K2, K3. and so forth
  depending on what's on the subject line or in the body of the
  message.

  The trap, however, is that sometimes a thread that I want to
  follow will switch folders, depending on what the content of
  the message is and if the writer identifies his/her equipment.

--  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

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Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[Don Wilhelm]

And Thunderbird can do the same.  Why sort through emails in your Inbox 
when your email client can sort them into the appropriate folders for 
you.  Everything with [Elecraft] in the subject line goes into my 
Elecraft folder - I can deal with it from there.

If everything is dumped into your Inbox for you to sort manually, that 
would create a real pain, but your email client does have the tools to 
deal with it - even to delete anything containing "OT" or "FS" on the 
subject line if you so choose.

It takes only a few minutes to set thing up, but reduces the hassle by a 
very large factor.  Use the tools that your email client provides and 
reduce your frustration level.  I have 16 folders in my email inbox and 
the email flows into 14 of them automatically because of the way I have 
set the filters.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/19/2011 7:35 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> In Outlook, all Elecraft reflector mail goes into its own folder
> automatically using an Outlook "rule".
>
> In the Elecraft folder I click on "Arranged by / Conversation" and delete
> any string that's not of interest.
>
> Very quick, very easy. Keeps the blood pressure wy down ;-)
>
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Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

In Outlook, all Elecraft reflector mail goes into its own folder
automatically using an Outlook "rule". 

In the Elecraft folder I click on "Arranged by / Conversation" and delete
any string that's not of interest. 

Very quick, very easy. Keeps the blood pressure wy down ;-)

73,

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
My Gmail mail client takes care of threading, and with two hot keys (J
and K), I can delete a days worth of ENTIRE THREADS of posts I don't
care about in 10 or 15 seconds, including a good deal of technical
posts that don't interest me but are useful and interesting to others.
 So what's the big deal?

Why get bothered by stuff that Eric routinely permits.  It's
Elecraft's list, not ours.

73, Guy.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[telegrapher]

I unsubscribed to the Elecraft net last fall because the noise on here was 
becoming untolerable.  There were so many "here's what happened to me", "I 
remember this was the way.. " and so on.  I need to learn about what is 
happening with the Elecraft line and not with soem protocol. I've been on the 
radio for over 50 years, mostly CW and been thru it.  Time to move on and get 
back to the Elecraft Line of equipment before i forget why i am on this list 
and dump it again.

Larry
W0OGH
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Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

My Gmail mail client takes care of threading, and with two hot keys (J
and K), I can delete a days worth of ENTIRE THREADS of posts I don't
care about in 10 or 15 seconds, including a good deal of technical
posts that don't interest me but are useful and interesting to others.
 So what's the big deal?

Why get bothered by stuff that Eric routinely permits.  It's
Elecraft's list, not ours.

73, Guy.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Peter Child  wrote:
> List moderators must get vacations just like the rest of us
>
>
> Pete--K1MPM
>
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 5:46 PM, William H. Droeger, Jr. wrote:
>
>> Well said Tom. This reflector has been hijacked by five or six guys
>> who seem to be experts on EVERYTHING.  Subject matter has
>> deteriorated.  Days on end of what KN means. You have to be kidding
>> me. 73's KT9T
>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Tommy Alderman wrote:
>>
>>> Such a wonderful reflector!! I just deleted 25 messages - NONE of
>>> which had
>>> a damn thing to do with Elecraft products or Elecraft technical
>>> issues. This
>>> is becoming not an Elecraft reflector for product or technical
>>> issues, but a
>>> place for all of you OF's to tell us how important you are. Think
>>> about it.
>>>
>>> Tom - W4BQF
>>>
>>> PS - Yes, I know OT subjects are encouraged by Elecraft.
>>>
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[Elecraft] OT subjects

[Don Putnick]

There's a way to get around all the OT stuff and not have it clog your mailbox. 
Set mail delivery to "off" and browse one the searchable daily web archives 
instead. You can still reply via email. Hmmm. What would happen if Elecraft 
turned mail delivery off for a week as an experiment?
Don NA6Z K3 #5495
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Re: [Elecraft] KN, BK, etc.

[george fritkin]

Practices change over the years. Heck, some of my radios I do not even have to 
"load and dip".  Time to adapt.  This is from me, a Ham since 1951.
George, W6GF
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Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[Peter Child]

List moderators must get vacations just like the rest of us


Pete--K1MPM



On Jul 19, 2011, at 5:46 PM, William H. Droeger, Jr. wrote:

> Well said Tom. This reflector has been hijacked by five or six guys
> who seem to be experts on EVERYTHING.  Subject matter has
> deteriorated.  Days on end of what KN means. You have to be kidding
> me. 73's KT9T
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Tommy Alderman wrote:
>
>> Such a wonderful reflector!! I just deleted 25 messages - NONE of
>> which had
>> a damn thing to do with Elecraft products or Elecraft technical
>> issues. This
>> is becoming not an Elecraft reflector for product or technical
>> issues, but a
>> place for all of you OF's to tell us how important you are. Think
>> about it.
>>
>> Tom - W4BQF
>>
>> PS - Yes, I know OT subjects are encouraged by Elecraft.
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[k6rb]

Like Tommy I too end up deleting a ton of postings. The primary reason is
because the subject field indicates equipment I don't have, or modes of
operation I don't use. Also, there tends to be an endless string of thread
postings until Eric finally says "hey, enough, guys."

Nevertheless, I have not unsubscribed. I will go through, read subject
fields, and delete without reading, but I don't want to miss the one or
two topics that are of interest to me.

I guess it would be cool if there was some macro that would stuff
everything into the trash folder except the topics of interest to me. Or,
maybe there already is such a macro.

Rob K6RB

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Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[William H. Droeger, Jr.]

Well said Tom. This reflector has been hijacked by five or six guys  
who seem to be experts on EVERYTHING.  Subject matter has  
deteriorated.  Days on end of what KN means. You have to be kidding  
me. 73's KT9T
On Jul 19, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Tommy Alderman wrote:

> Such a wonderful reflector!! I just deleted 25 messages - NONE of  
> which had
> a damn thing to do with Elecraft products or Elecraft technical  
> issues. This
> is becoming not an Elecraft reflector for product or technical  
> issues, but a
> place for all of you OF's to tell us how important you are. Think  
> about it.
>
> Tom - W4BQF
>
> PS - Yes, I know OT subjects are encouraged by Elecraft.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] OT subjects

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Yes, Tom,  I frequently delete dozens of messages in a single day that have
nothing to do with my interests in Elecraft gear too. The ones I delete have
to do with using this or that computer program or how people scored in this
contest or that.  

But I would *never* want those posters to feel unwelcome. They simply have
different interests from mine. 

Amateur Radio is a *big* hobby!

73, 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
Such a wonderful reflector!! I just deleted 25 messages - NONE of which had
a damn thing to do with Elecraft products or Elecraft technical issues. This
is becoming not an Elecraft reflector for product or technical issues, but a
place for all of you OF's to tell us how important you are. Think about it.

Tom - W4BQF

PS - Yes, I know OT subjects are encouraged by Elecraft.

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Re: [Elecraft] KN, BK, etc.

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Stan, there's nothing like setting a good example. I was raised to
understand that respect for the rules of our land is respect for our
country. That is still my guiding principle. 

I, too (being old enough to remember laughing about the "Geritol Set" before
becoming a member), continue to use prosigns exactly as the operating guides
set them forth. I don't use them all, but commonly use SK at the end of my
last transmission of an exchange with another station, KN if I don't want
other calls breaking in (rarely used, but I do when the other signal is
marginal or when we're exchanging important information), of course always
DE between calls, and CL if I'm pulling the "big switch" and won't be
listening for other calls. 

After a CQ I also tune up and down at least 1 kHz for calls. Some folks
don't zero beat well, and there are still some xtal-controlled rigs out
there - often QRP in the hands of a very interesting operator I'll enjoy
chewing the rag with. 

I try hard to be charitable with those who use prosigns incorrectly but,
regarding DE or "this is", I will admit to a *very* curmudgeonly gut
reaction (close to 'up-chucking') when I hear someone on phone reverse the
proper order of call signs and say, "This is K6AAA standing by for W1BBB." 

In a word, "AARGH!" 

73,

Ron AC7AC 

-Original Message-

So I just keep operating in my old fashioned way, striving for accuracy 
and try to avoid picking up 'bad habits'.


73, Stan WB2LQF


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[Elecraft] OT subjects

[Tommy Alderman]

Such a wonderful reflector!! I just deleted 25 messages - NONE of which had
a damn thing to do with Elecraft products or Elecraft technical issues. This
is becoming not an Elecraft reflector for product or technical issues, but a
place for all of you OF's to tell us how important you are. Think about it.

Tom - W4BQF

PS - Yes, I know OT subjects are encouraged by Elecraft.


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Re: [Elecraft] KN

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2011 19 Jul 12:51 -0500, John Ragle wrote:
>  2.  is just good practice...so much of the first couple of 
> exchanges in PSK is done by macro that one would think people would 
> include the  a couple of times in their macro texts.

When more hams can write emails in complete sentences and with line
breaks I'll have hope that the same can translate to PSK and other digi
modes.  Unfortunately, reading too many lists and forums leads me to
think that there is some stigma attached to using the  key.

>  4. Being an old ham (lightly cured since 1946) but relatively new 
> to PSK (6-8 years) I am greatly amused by some of the things that 
> PSK'ers do -- "created in..." rather than "born in..." or "age..." It is 
> almost like the CB'ers invention of a new language that went with their 
> somewhat suspect operating procedures..."breaker breaker..." and so on.

Chalk it up to a desire to stand out by their creativity, I suppose.
OTOH, how people (beyond amateurs) have a tendency to imitate the Rubber
Duck when they grab a microphone is also a bit puzzling.  Apparently,
use of a two-way radio requires a certain type of voice and vocabulary.
Who knew?

73, de Nate N0NB >>

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Re: [Elecraft] KN, BK, etc.

[stan levandowski]

Reading all these associated posts over the past two days has been 
heartwarming - because it's great to see that CW is being taken so 
seriously by so many hams,  new and old alike.

But folks, "it is what it is and it ain't gonna change." This is my 
opinion.

When a lot of us who are now on Social Security got our licenses, 
society was made up of people with vastly different viewpoints compared 
to today.  Back then, we grew up to respect rules, authority, 
conventions, and so forth.  If your Elmer said, "do it like this" then 
you just complied.  And it became habit.

Hams are just a subset of society and today, we've got us old geezers 
all mixed in with the younger crowd.

Hence, "73s", inventive uses for prosigns, "di-dit di-dit" instead of 
BT, using BK for virtually every transmission to avoid signing, six dits 
in the figure '5', the letter 'o' for a zero, and something that seems 
to be on the increase - dropping the 'de'.

So I just keep operating in my old fashioned way, striving for accuracy 
and try to avoid picking up 'bad habits'.


73, Stan WB2LQF

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 fan problem solved

[Jay]

# 153 is now working fine.  Experienced a bad front panel and a problem 
with the 40 wire ribbon cable.  But Dale at Elecraft did not give up on 
me and everything is as it should be.  Love the two power levels per 
bandIf you need a little ooph, just touch a button.  Also thanks to 
those that e-mailed me directly with suggestions.  Another satisfied 
customer.

Jay, W6JDB
K2/100, K3/100, P3, KPA500 #153
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Re: [Elecraft] KN

[KENT TRIMBLE]

Not to belabor my previous post, but to buttress it . . .

 From "The Radio Amateur's Operating Manual, 3rd Edition, Copyright 1972 
by ARRL" (with thanks to Mike, AB3AP):

Pages 8 and 9:

/K is the procedure signal which means "go ahead." It always has this
meaning when used by itself at the end of a transmission or during exchanges
of brief transmissions using break-in. It is always used after a CQ but 
it is
not used when answering a CQ or calling any station with which contact has
not already been established. K is not usually preceded by any other 
prosign.

KN is used during a QSO to invite the station being worked, and that
station alone, to transmit.  It indicates that other stations are not 
desired in
that QSO and is frequently used by DX stations to avoid calls from other
stations.

KN should always be honored. It is a serious breach of on-the-air
etiquette to call despite a KN.  KN is properly sent as a single 
character, as
the bar over the letters indicates, and not as two separate letters.

KN is not used after a CQ, unless the CQ is directional or informative.
"CQ CQ CQ DE W6QMO KN" is self-defeating and contradictory.  After
a directional CQ however, it emphasizes that answers are desired only from
the place specified: "CQ NYC CQ NYC CQ NYC DE WBSLX KN."/


73,

Kent Trimble, K9ZTV
Jefferson City, MIssouri
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[Elecraft] K1 for sale - mint condition

[Craig D. Smith]

Doing some shack simplification, and have decided to sell my K1.  This rig
has been a joy to use on my infrequent portable operations, but I'm loosing
interest in the portable scene since working out an effective antenna setup
here in spite of the HOA restrictions.

The K1 is in mint condition both electrically and cosmetically.  I bought
and built it in 2007.  Light usage on a few well-protected portable outings
and stored in my non-smoking shack since then.  Just checked it out, and it
works great.  One modification was made during the construction.  Instead of
the barrel connector for the DC input, I used a 6 inch pigtail terminated in
a standard PowerPole connector.  This makes it easy to connect to either
battery or shack 12V power.

This is a 4 band unit set up for 40, 30, 20 and 15 meters.  Accessories
included are the dial backlight, tilting stand and finger dimple for the
tuning knob.  Current kit price for this is $467.

Power output at 13.8 V is 6.53W on 40, 6.04W on 30, 5.57W on 20 and 5.90W on
15. Tuning range covers the lower 85 KHz of each band.  Extra parts for
modifying 15 meter coverage to 17 meters and changing the tuning range are
included as well as all the manuals and documentation.  

Price is $370 via PayPal which includes insured USPS Priority Mail shipping
to your lower 48 US address.  Contact me directly via Email if interested.

Thanks and 73  Craig   AC0DS


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Re: [Elecraft] KN

[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy]

Larry,

As an "older-model" ham I have always understood KN to mean just what you 
wrote.

Back in the Jurassic when I was first licensed (1946) in a country which was 
still quite "rare" at the time (VQ8) it was not necessary to use KN, because 
in my experience most people in those days would not break in nor call until 
one had signed with the station being worked - a far cry from the brawls one 
hears these days!

The use of INT before a Q signal was also standard practice if asking a 
question, e.g. INT QRM, but sometimes for example QRM IMI would be used.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


On July 19, 2011 17:47 Z, Larry A. Waler KW4A wrote.

> Many older-model hams would say KN means "over to you specifically, no
> breakers please"!


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Re: [Elecraft] KN

[KENT TRIMBLE]

I completely agree with Larry . . .

K means "over" (to the station I am in contact with, and breakers are 
welcome)

KN means "over" (to the station I am in contact with, and breakers are 
NOT welcome).

Our Mid-MO Amateur Radio Club teaches its CW students (3 classes every 
Saturday morning) that "K" is the norm and should be used in 99% of 
their QSOs, with "KN" being the rare exception and used in the remaining 
1% where propagation or message content requires it.

Over the last decade or so those two prosigns got erroneously reversed 
in a revision of an ARRL publication which has perpetuated the error 
ever since.

73,

Kent Trimble, K9ZTV
Jefferson City, Missouri







On 7/19/2011 11:47 AM, Larry A. Waler wrote:
> Many older-model hams would say KN means "over to you specifically, no
> breakers please"!
>
>
>
> KW4A  ex K0IET  ex KN0IET
>
> Larry
>
> Licensed sinced 1956
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[Elecraft] CW prosigns

[John Ragle]

Gerald...

Try

 http://www.radioing.com/hamstart/cw.html

or just google "CW Prosigns"

John Ragle -- W1ZI

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On 7/19/2011 1:50 PM, Gerald Manthey wrote:
> Could one of you cw veterans list all the appropriate prosigns. I am getting
> into working cw and it would help.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[Gerald Manthey]

Could one of you cw veterans list all the appropriate prosigns. I am getting
into working cw and it would help.
On Jul 19, 2011 8:55 AM, "Grant Youngman"  wrote:
>
> While a good bright light (however that is come by) is important, I don't
find the magnifiers on these swing arm lamps terribly useful for fine work.
The problem is that viewing angle can be critical and putting the glass in
the sweet spot is fidgety.
>
> A head worn magnifier is far better in my opinion.  I use a product with
the brand name "Head Loupe" which has several interchangeable lenses with
varying degrees of magnification.  Wouldn't be without it.
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Jim Wiley  wrote:
>
> >
> > I would like to get the opinion of Elecraft list members, particularly
> > builders of kit versions of the K1, K2, and K3, concerning magnifier
> > lamps.  These are commonly known as "Luxo lamps",
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Re: [Elecraft] KN

[John Ragle]

Hi, Phil...

 1. Agree completely with meaning of _KN_...but don't understand why 
so many PSK'ers use it...breaking a PSK QSO is somewhat difficult.

 2.  is just good practice...so much of the first couple of 
exchanges in PSK is done by macro that one would think people would 
include the  a couple of times in their macro texts. Also, at the 
beginning of an exchange, where the "call de call" macro begins things, 
I always include 2  as a separator. I use the separator freely in 
the text I send...it serves as a kind of buffer while one collects ones 
thoughts, just as "unhhu.." has become a standard part of our spoken 
American English.

 3. One habit that I find particularly annoying is the termination 
of a PSK transmission with "pse kn." Since it is not unusual to lose a 
letter or two due to fading, a "k k k" would be more effective...

 4. Being an old ham (lightly cured since 1946) but relatively new 
to PSK (6-8 years) I am greatly amused by some of the things that 
PSK'ers do -- "created in..." rather than "born in..." or "age..." It is 
almost like the CB'ers invention of a new language that went with their 
somewhat suspect operating procedures..."breaker breaker..." and so on.

 5. I don't find the use of macros offensive, and many many of my 
PSK QSOs go on from there to more meaningful exchanges -- it is a 
wonderful mode for ragchewing -- but I WISH people would give some 
thought to their macros when they prepare them.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

=

On 7/19/2011 1:21 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
> On 7/19/2011 9:47 AM, Larry A. Waler wrote:
>> Many older-model hams would say KN means "over to you specifically, no
>> breakers please"!
>That's how I interpret it.  What gets me is the use of "CW"
>prosigns on digital modes (PSK, for instance) where either
>plain language or "usually-accepted" TTY procedures would be
>preferable.
>
>For example - I have the devil's own time trying to convince my
>fellow PSK net colleagues to send a few  at the
>beginning and end of a transmission so there's a visual break
>between that and the next station's transmissions.  We used to
>do that with torn-tape traffic.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[Phil Kane]

On 7/19/2011 6:27 AM, Jim Wiley wrote:

> I would like to get the opinion of Elecraft list members, particularly
> builders of kit versions of the K1, K2, and K3, concerning magnifier
> lamps.  These are commonly known as "Luxo lamps", although that is only
> the best known brand.  In other words, what are you using, how does it
> work for you, and what don't you like, if anything,

  I have only peripheral eyesight in one eye, so it's monocular
  eyesight for close-up work - a soldering iron in my hands is a
  deadly weapon. I use a magnifier for reading or examining
  things where monocular eyesight is acceptable.

  I'm using a LEDGE (brand) swing-arm magnifier that I coaxed from
  my artist wife. Description below.

> Best magnification factor.   The most common are 1.75X (3
> diopter) and 2.25X (5 diopter).

  Not sure.

> Size and shape of magnifying lens:

  4" round (spherical ?)

> Focal range:  how far from work is optimum, and what are close
> and far limits

  I usually adjust the lens from the work and my eye from the
  lens for a clear image so I can't quantify that.  Sometimes I
  have to use my reading glasses in addition to the magnifier.

> Eyestrain:  distortion, clarity of lens,  adequacy of illumination

  No problem.  My eyestrain comes from excessive reading rather than
  from the mechanics of the magnification.

> Illumination:   LED vs. CFL - how long to reach max output

  Screw-base small daylight color-corrected CFL.  Very bright.
  Instant on.

> Positioning:  Best arm length,  does the unit "stay where it's put?"

  Most of the time.  Had to take a pair of pliers to the
  thumbscrews to make the joints tighter

> Mounting:  Clamp mount,  robustness of mount.  Can the unit be removed
> from the base / desk clamp, etc.

  Clamped onto rear of desktop.  Can't remove the unit without
  taking the mount off.

> Ease of working under the lamp/ magnifier:   Does the unit get in
> the way of soldering, etc.

  See above !

> Problems observed:  What could be done better

  Suits my needs.

--  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

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Re: [Elecraft] KN

[Phil Kane]

On 7/19/2011 9:47 AM, Larry A. Waler wrote:

> Many older-model hams would say KN means "over to you specifically, no
> breakers please"!

  That's how I interpret it.  What gets me is the use of "CW"
  prosigns on digital modes (PSK, for instance) where either
  plain language or "usually-accepted" TTY procedures would be
  preferable.

  For example - I have the devil's own time trying to convince my
  fellow PSK net colleagues to send a few  at the
  beginning and end of a transmission so there's a visual break
  between that and the next station's transmissions.  We used to
  do that with torn-tape traffic.

  Color me nit-pickerOf course, I use my K2 for PSK -
  works like a charm!

> KW4A  ex K0IET  ex KN0IET
> Licensed sinced 1956

  K2ASP ex KN2ASP (now club call) ex-couple of other calls
  Licensed since 1952

  -- 73 de Phil Kane

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[Edward R. Cole]

--

Message: 38
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:39:02 -0700
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp
To: 
Message-ID: <003801cc4629$fcd7db30$f6879190$@biz>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

I'm an Optivisor user too since the 1980's. It's comfortable enough to cause
a fellow a lot of embarrassment.
===snip
A nice feature of the Optivisor is that the magnifier hood flips up out of
the way when you don't need it so you don't have to constantly take it off
and put it on. It's so light it's easy to forget you are wearing it. And I
had. I was walking around with that darn thing sticking straight up above my
head. That's what they were smiling about.

Pretty hard on a single guy's ego, I must say.
===snip
sort of like pocket protectors and tape holding one's glasses together - eh?
Dilbert syndrome!
===

And now, at an age where I've become "invisible" to pretty young women, I'm
still messing with SMDs and other tiny parts and the Optivisor is still my
constant companion.

But, ah..., it was a very good year.
==Sinatra sang it so well

73,

Ron AC7AC






73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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[Elecraft] KN

[Larry A. Waler]

Many older-model hams would say KN means "over to you specifically, no
breakers please"!

 

KW4A  ex K0IET  ex KN0IET

Larry

Licensed sinced 1956

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[Palmer C Byrne]

The designations for the Optivisor are as follows:

 

Each unit comes with one lens. Other interchangeable lenses are available.
In this table, Pwr = magnification power and FL = focal length. 

. No . . Power. . FL 
. .2 . . 1.50 . . 20" 
. .3 . . 1.75 . . 14" 
. .4 . . 2.00 . . 10" 
. .5 . . 2.50 . . .8" 
. .7 . . 2.75 . . .6" 
. 10 . . 3.50 . . .4" 

I have the 3 & 5. I use the 3 for most work.

 

Palmer Byrne  W7NMD

 

 

  _  

From: Wayne Conrad [via Elecraft]
[mailto:ml-node+6598915-1674192955-157...@n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:13 AM
To: pcbyrne
Subject: Re: OT - Magnifier lamp

 

I'm with those who prefer head-mounted magnification.  I built my K2 
while wearing an Optivisor: 

 http://www.doneganoptical.com/optivisor.php

It looks as though it would be uncomfortable, but looks are deceiving.   
It is light and the head band is broad and soft.  I wore it for most of 
the three weeks I took to build my K2 with no discomfort. 

Magnification factor: Beats me, but the lenses are marked with a "5"*.   
I doubt that means 5x.  Perhaps it means 5 diopter.  Mine also has a 
loupe that swings down over one lens to add an additional 2.5x.  I only 
used the loupe to read the writing on the smallest capacitors.  Here's 
the loupe: 



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Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia

[Gary D Krause]

Exactly!  Which is why I continue to use KN.  I only use K when calling CQ.


On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 06:29:06 -0700
  Matt Zilmer  wrote:
> KN also tells a breaking station that you're in QSO.  So if they creep
> up on your signal during the tail end (callsign exchange), the context
> is clear.  I've always taken KN to mean a context marking rather than
> some unfriendly indicator of exclusion.  Haven't met any hams that are
> like that :)
> 
> 73,
> matt W6NIA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:31:18 -0400, you wrote:
> 
>>bk doesn't bother me so much if it's sent as BK and not _BK_ (i.e. not run 
>>together). For clarity's sake, if I just end with K I leave an extra amount 
>>of space so that meaning is clear, per Igor's note below. 
>>
>>I don't ever use _KN_ myself anymore. Mostly because, yes, it's a 
>>parentheses, but also because all the ARRL books I ever read when I was 
>>studying back in the '80's, and these books were older than that by some 
>>amount, said that _KN_ means something like, "I only want a response from the 
>>other station, no breaking stations please", which doesn't seem terribly 
>>friendly. 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: "KN"

[Ken - K0PP]

Many late-model hams would say that "KN"
means "OK now", meaning "go ahead and 
call/talk to me, I'm listening".  (:-)

73! Ken - K0PP 
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Re: [Elecraft] KE7X K3 Book addition for firmware 4.39

[Tim Heasman]

Hi All,
Try the Foxit free reader, that will save notes etc.
Tim
GM4LMH

--
From: "R. Kevin Stover" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:27 PM
To: "Bill Adams" 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KE7X K3 Book addition for firmware 4.39

> Adobe Reader does just that... it reads Adobe .pdf files it can't and
> was never intended to modify Adobe files.
> 
> There are several free utilities and programs on the net that will
> allow you to modify .pdf's
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDF_software
> 
> 
> 
>> The Elecraft_k3_ver2o.pdf security setting prevents posting comments
>> and sticky-notes using Windows 7 and Adobe Reader X. Is there a
>> procedure to incorporate errata in the original file?
>> Bill
>> AF4B
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> R. Kevin Stover
> AC0H
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Re: [Elecraft] Optivisor

[Nelson Moyer]

I found a dealer on Amazon.com (Fargo Enterprises, Inc.) and bought a 2x
Optivison for $29.16 postpaid.

Nelson, KU0A

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Pepperdine
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:33 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Optivisor






Following on the magnifier thread.

I settled for a cheap-o head magnifier sometime back when I had some sudden
need. It was OK, but I still wanted better.

I just did some searches for the Donegan Optical Optivisor (mentioned in the
recent threads) and found their web site has a dealer locator. It did miss
some local sources I had found elsewhere in searches (such as a jewelry
working supplier quite conveniently near my office.. I hope to get there in
a few days and check them out re. the various magnifier levels.. I think you
can get interchangable lenses). This was suggestec by a school of arts
advisory for their incoming jewelry arts summer students.

Once source was a supplier for  eradication of head lice... So you never
know where!

Also, model train kit/building suppliers... I found one on the US/Canada
border that serves Canada and USA from B.C. and Washington state.

Your info for what you like. Prices varied greatly... one go-to place for
tools I found was about 30 dollars more than the average I have seen.

I will be getting one for some SMD work and general work. Now that I have a
Wal-Mart griddle and embossing tool for 'frying' and heating up SMD
boards/components and some solder paste on the way along with a small
Hendricks kit to try out the SMD working process!


Brien
VE3VAW
Toronto ON
  
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

I'm an Optivisor user too since the 1980's. It's comfortable enough to cause
a fellow a lot of embarrassment. 

Back then I spent a period of time repairing land mobile radios for a
company in Oakland, CA. The Optivisor was boon for swapping out SMDs,
especially on tiny hand-held radio pc boards. 

One day as I walked through the office several attractive young women looked
up and smiled, so I couldn't resist "chatting them up" a bit. After a few
minutes it dawned on me they weren't really making eye contact but were
staring at the top of my head.

A nice feature of the Optivisor is that the magnifier hood flips up out of
the way when you don't need it so you don't have to constantly take it off
and put it on. It's so light it's easy to forget you are wearing it. And I
had. I was walking around with that darn thing sticking straight up above my
head. That's what they were smiling about. 

Pretty hard on a single guy's ego, I must say. 

One recommendation - get the type with an adjustment knob on the head band.
There's one style that uses a simpler "tab and slot" head band adjustment,
but I've found it comes loose too easily. The knob allows precise tension
adjustment that I found superior. (Yes, I bought two - one for work and one
for the 'shack'). 

And now, at an age where I've become "invisible" to pretty young women, I'm
still messing with SMDs and other tiny parts and the Optivisor is still my
constant companion. 

But, ah..., it was a very good year. 

73, 

Ron AC7AC

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[Elecraft] Optivisor

[Brian Pepperdine]

Following on the magnifier thread.

I settled for a cheap-o head magnifier sometime back when I had some sudden 
need. It was OK, but I still wanted better.

I just did some searches for the Donegan Optical Optivisor (mentioned in the 
recent threads) and found their web site has a dealer locator.
It did miss some local sources I had found elsewhere in searches (such as a 
jewelry working supplier quite conveniently near my office.. I hope to get 
there in a few days and check them out re. the various magnifier levels.. I 
think you can get interchangable lenses).
This was suggestec by a school of arts advisory for their incoming jewelry arts 
summer students.

Once source was a supplier for  eradication of head lice... So you never 
know where!

Also, model train kit/building suppliers... I found one on the US/Canada border 
that serves Canada and USA from B.C. and Washington state.

Your info for what you like. Prices varied greatly... one go-to place for tools 
I found was about 30 dollars more than the average I have seen.

I will be getting one for some SMD work and general work. Now that I have a 
Wal-Mart griddle and embossing tool for 'frying' and heating up SMD 
boards/components and some solder paste on the way along with a small Hendricks 
kit to try out the SMD working process!


Brien
VE3VAW
Toronto ON
  
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Re: [Elecraft] KE7X K3 Book addition for firmware 4.39

[R. Kevin Stover]

Adobe Reader does just that... it reads Adobe .pdf files it can't and
was never intended to modify Adobe files.

There are several free utilities and programs on the net that will
allow you to modify .pdf's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDF_software



> The Elecraft_k3_ver2o.pdf security setting prevents posting comments
> and sticky-notes using Windows 7 and Adobe Reader X. Is there a
> procedure to incorporate errata in the original file?
> Bill
> AF4B




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Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia-link to codes

[Bill Hammond]

Many of you may fine the link attached interesting as it is the origin of our 
number codes.  Journalists of a certain age may also see the -30- designation 
also used for some time as the end of a story.  It has a long history.
http://www.civilwarsignals.org/pages/tele/wurules1866/92code.html
73,
Bill
AK5X


On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:46 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:

> The way I look at it, "73" doesn't translate specifically to any
> particular words (in English, or any other language). It's a
> language-independent expression of good will to the other operator,
> akin to verbal expressions in English like "all the best", "cheers",
> etc. Given that, I don't think it's necessarily any less-valid to
> pluralise it when morphing it into a verbal or textual expression in
> English. Now is it "seven-three[s]", or "seventy-three[s]" when
> spoken aloud??? ;)
> 
> 73[[']s],
> 
>~iain
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Bert Craig  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Not so fast there, Phil. "73's" was in use 
>> before 11-meter CB (Pse see previous posts.)
>> 
>> I must say that I've always made a conscious effort to us "73" as a result 
>> of simple reasoning; 73 is already plural, i.e. "Best regards," no need to 
>> pluralize that which is already plural.
>> 
>> As for the "3's & 8's" or "first personal," remember, it's a different 
>> service and a more relaxed one at that. I, for one, can be a little tolerant 
>> with the aforementioned phrases... Just as long as it stays on CB - hihi.
>> 
>> There is a local net on 27.3850 MHz (CB Ch. 38) USB that is an absolute 
>> pleasure to listen to. A group of well mannered ops with nary a "73's" or 
>> "QRT and standing by" to be heard. It's encouraging but I do hear the dark 
>> side of the force from time to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear 
>> some CW traffic there too, go figure.
>> 
>> As always, take care es...
>> 
>> Vy 73 de Bert (my "handle")
>> WA2SI
>> 
>> "...and all the pieces matter."
>>  -- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD
>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[R. Kevin Stover]

I put my entire stuffed K2/100 together with the same lamp.
No problems and I don't hear any noise from the lamp in said K2.

I had to get used to soldering through the magnifier but that's only
because I'd never done it before. No big deal.



> Jim...(and list)...
> 
> Save your money!
> 
> I have a Luxo lamp mounted on a tensor arm and with a 6" dia circline 
> fluorescent bulb. This particular one has the power supply in the
> base. It was made in USA. Two (very negative) comments:
> 
> 1. The power supply is extremely noisy (RF noise). I had expected
> that the fluorescent fixture would be noisy, but this lamp is a real 
> noise-pig EVEN WHEN THE LAMP IS OFF. I cannot have it plugged in when
> I am operating, as it saturates my receiver with RF noise.
> 
> 2. The magnifier was almost useless for circuit board work. This is 
> because the "edge effects" are quite large, in the sense that the 
> in-focus image is only a tiny part of the whole aperture, and there
> is no binocular effect.
 
> John Ragle -- W1ZI




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Re: [Elecraft] KE7X K3 Book addition for firmware 4.39

[Bill Adams]

The Elecraft_k3_ver2o.pdf security setting prevents posting comments and 
sticky-notes using Windows 7 and Adobe Reader X. Is there a procedure to 
incorporate errata in the original file?
Bill
AF4B

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Prather
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 11:07 PM
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KE7X K3 Book addition for firmware 4.39

Working out very nicely for me too!

I use Preview (a built in program in OSX) to open the PDF manual, open the 
updates, drag them to the appropriate part of the manual in the sidebar and 
I'm golden!

If I feel the need I can also put a sticky note in the PDF in the 
appropriate parts of the manual.

Nice!

Now if I can just find the time to work my way though the book!

Rick
K6LE


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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[John D'Ausilio]

I've been using a 5 diopter Optivisor ever since I started SMT work at
the turn of the century .. plus a halogen desk lamp and a good pair of
tweezers :)

de w1rt/john

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Wayne Conrad  wrote:
> I'm with those who prefer head-mounted magnification.  I built my K2
> while wearing an Optivisor:
>
>     http://www.doneganoptical.com/optivisor.php
>
> It looks as though it would be uncomfortable, but looks are deceiving.
> It is light and the head band is broad and soft.  I wore it for most of
> the three weeks I took to build my K2 with no discomfort.
>
> Magnification factor: Beats me, but the lenses are marked with a "5"*.
> I doubt that means 5x.  Perhaps it means 5 diopter.  Mine also has a
> loupe that swings down over one lens to add an additional 2.5x.  I only
> used the loupe to read the writing on the smallest capacitors.  Here's
> the loupe:
>
>     http://www.doneganoptical.com/optiloupe.php
>
> They make a lighted version, but I have no experience with it:
>
>     http://www.doneganoptical.com/visorlight.php
>
> 73, Wayne Conrad KF7QGA
>
> * They sell other lenses so you can have whatever magnification you want.
>
> On 07/19/2011 06:27 AM, Jim Wiley wrote:
>> I would like to get the opinion of Elecraft list members, particularly
>> builders of kit versions of the K1, K2, and K3, concerning magnifier
>> lamps.  These are commonly known as "Luxo lamps", although that is only
>> the best known brand.  In other words, what are you using, how does it
>> work for you, and what don't you like, if anything,
>>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Encoder noise on K2

[Don Wilhelm]

  Gary,

If it is more like a pop every 5 kHz., you should run CAL PLL to cure it.
Before doing that open the bottom cover and check RFC15 with your 
ohmmeter (that is the small RF Choke soldered to pin 16 of U4)  Check it 
with your ohmmeter - it will read 5 volts on each end even if it is open.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/19/2011 10:19 AM, Gary D Krause wrote:
> I just noticed that my encoder is making noise on the 15 and 40 meter bands.
>   On 15 it is from 21.000MHz to about 21.015MHz.  On 40 it is on and off
> through the entire band.  I haven't noticed this before when turning the
> tuning knob.  Of course, it only does it when I'm turning the knob.  It
> doesn't make any noise on the other bands.
>
> I have made some changes to my K2 in the past week.  I installed the 160m
> module, took off the KPA100 and reinstalled the original top with the KAT2.
>   The first thing that I will check is to make sure that the cable for the 
> KAT2
> is routed properly and didn't move when I reinstalled the top.  My K2 is
> #6113.
>
>
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[Elecraft] Encoder noise on K2

[Gary D Krause]

I just noticed that my encoder is making noise on the 15 and 40 meter bands. 
 On 15 it is from 21.000MHz to about 21.015MHz.  On 40 it is on and off 
through the entire band.  I haven't noticed this before when turning the 
tuning knob.  Of course, it only does it when I'm turning the knob.  It 
doesn't make any noise on the other bands.

I have made some changes to my K2 in the past week.  I installed the 160m 
module, took off the KPA100 and reinstalled the original top with the KAT2. 
 The first thing that I will check is to make sure that the cable for the KAT2 
is routed properly and didn't move when I reinstalled the top.  My K2 is 
#6113.

Thanks,
Gary, N7HTS



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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[Wayne Conrad]

I'm with those who prefer head-mounted magnification.  I built my K2 
while wearing an Optivisor:

 http://www.doneganoptical.com/optivisor.php

It looks as though it would be uncomfortable, but looks are deceiving.  
It is light and the head band is broad and soft.  I wore it for most of 
the three weeks I took to build my K2 with no discomfort.

Magnification factor: Beats me, but the lenses are marked with a "5"*.  
I doubt that means 5x.  Perhaps it means 5 diopter.  Mine also has a 
loupe that swings down over one lens to add an additional 2.5x.  I only 
used the loupe to read the writing on the smallest capacitors.  Here's 
the loupe:

 http://www.doneganoptical.com/optiloupe.php

They make a lighted version, but I have no experience with it:

 http://www.doneganoptical.com/visorlight.php

73, Wayne Conrad KF7QGA

* They sell other lenses so you can have whatever magnification you want.

On 07/19/2011 06:27 AM, Jim Wiley wrote:
> I would like to get the opinion of Elecraft list members, particularly
> builders of kit versions of the K1, K2, and K3, concerning magnifier
> lamps.  These are commonly known as "Luxo lamps", although that is only
> the best known brand.  In other words, what are you using, how does it
> work for you, and what don't you like, if anything,
>

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[Dale Putnam]

Much of my building time, I also listen to the bands, and because I do, I want 
to have a desk light, mag light, or most anything else that is on... to be 
useful but not noisy.One of the swing arm lights had a florescent lamp.. and 
created so much rf noise that I couldn't hear the answer? easy replace 
the lamp with LEDs... works wonderful.Clean bright light, diffused and quiet 
too.  Now.. the style of mag glass... I prefer a square mag ... why? because 
the boards are seldom round. and the portion of the board I want to see... is 
not a spot... but a larger area.Often I work the entire side of an ATS board at 
one time.. and I really don't like to adjust the mag in the middle of the 
board... square is better. Moving me around a little is better than moving the 
mag around at all. But square is rare. I really don't like the "we'll fake you 
into thinking it is square by putting round inside square" ones either.   Swing 
arm lamps are very touchy... the better ones move at the
  hint of a finger... stay put when left untouched and never move on their own. 
Those that do all that... are also very expensive. So.. we do with what we 
have... and adjust when needed. I even use a 30x loupe, hand held, borrowed 
from my darkroom, but I don't build with it.. only inspect.  Have a great day,

--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
  
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[Grant Youngman]

While a good bright light (however that is come by) is important, I don't find 
the magnifiers on these swing arm lamps terribly useful for fine work. The 
problem is that viewing angle can be critical and putting the glass in the 
sweet spot is fidgety. 

A head worn magnifier is far better in my opinion.  I use a product with the 
brand name "Head Loupe" which has several interchangeable lenses with varying 
degrees of magnification.  Wouldn't be without it. 

Grant/NQ5T

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On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Jim Wiley  wrote:

> 
> I would like to get the opinion of Elecraft list members, particularly 
> builders of kit versions of the K1, K2, and K3, concerning magnifier 
> lamps.  These are commonly known as "Luxo lamps", 
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Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia

[Matt Zilmer]

True.  Sometimes, you would want uninterrupted exchanges, for clarity,
but also leave the net open for breaks.  In practice, we break in if
needed anyway.

Anyone listening to a directed net really hears a KN via the Over.  On
Navy-Marine Corps MARS, there is no simple way to break in except for
calling out Flash or Immediate traffic.  Pretty common with MARS,
unless the net is free.  Even then, contact is between two stations in
general.

73,
matt W6NIA


On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 06:39:54 -0700, you wrote:

>Exclusion is not always unfriendly.  I have often heard net members converse
>before or after a net about net matters, using KN.
>
>73 Kate K6HTN
>
>On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Matt Zilmer  wrote:
>
>> KN also tells a breaking station that you're in QSO.  So if they creep
>> up on your signal during the tail end (callsign exchange), the context
>> is clear.  I've always taken KN to mean a context marking rather than
>> some unfriendly indicator of exclusion.  Haven't met any hams that are
>> like that :)
>>
>> 73,
>> matt W6NIA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:31:18 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>> >bk doesn't bother me so much if it's sent as BK and not _BK_ (i.e. not run
>> together). For clarity's sake, if I just end with K I leave an extra amount
>> of space so that meaning is clear, per Igor's note below.
>> >
>> >I don't ever use _KN_ myself anymore. Mostly because, yes, it's a
>> parentheses, but also because all the ARRL books I ever read when I was
>> studying back in the '80's, and these books were older than that by some
>> amount, said that _KN_ means something like, "I only want a response from
>> the other station, no breaking stations please", which doesn't seem terribly
>> friendly.
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[Matt Zilmer]

Best I've found is Daylight.  See
http://us.daylightcompany.com/product/ultra-slim-magnifying-lamp-xr/
for an example.  I have this one (multiple, actually - workshop and
shack, both).  This is primarily a crafter's lamp, intended for floor,
table (clamp or base) mounting.  I even built a wall mount for my XYL,
which she can move to two different positions.  This keeps her table
clear.  I use the table clamp for mounting.

Working closely or backed off is fairly easy.

Your questions:

Magnification:  I'm using 2.25x, but you can change lenses on this
model.  I think they have 1.75x and 3.0x in addition to the "stock"
lens.

Lens:  Round, diameter is 6-3/4", which is huge.

Focal range:  between 9 and 18 inches for 2.25x.  Less mag puts this
further out.

Eyestrain:  Zero.  I can work over this mag lamp for hours.  The
'daylight' feature helps this a lot (color temp of the lamp bulb).

Illumination:  Flourescent, 28W, pure white light.

Positioning: The dual arm is easily movable, but the dual clamps at
the lamp end need to be loosened for large adjustments.

Mounts:  Multiple types.  I use the table clamp mount for workbench
and the shack desk.  Table and floor bases are also available, as well
as floor extensions to bring the mount base up to table / workbench
height.

Ease of working: I've had no issues (see eyestrain).  

Problems: The dual clamp is very hard to tighten at first, but loosens
up over time.

Overall:  I recommended Daylight for our engineering lab at Magellan
and we have seven or eight of them now.  They beat the old mag lamps
hollow.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 05:27:36 -0800, you wrote:

>
>I would like to get the opinion of Elecraft list members, particularly 
>builders of kit versions of the K1, K2, and K3, concerning magnifier 
>lamps.  These are commonly known as "Luxo lamps", although that is only 
>the best known brand.  In other words, what are you using, how does it 
>work for you, and what don't you like, if anything,
>
>
>Things to consider:
>
>
>Best magnification factor.   The most common are 1.75X (3 diopter) and 
>2.25X (5 diopter).  
>
>
>Size and shape of magnifying lens:  How big, and is round or rectangular 
>shape factor best
>
>
>Focal range:  how far from work is optimum, and what are close and far 
>limits
>
>
>Eyestrain:  distortion, clarity of lens,  adequacy of illumination
>
>
>Illumination:   L:ED vs. fluorescent lamps - which is better / brighter. 
>For fluorescent or CFL lamps, how long to reach max output
>
>
>Positioning:  Best arm length,  does the unit "stay where it's put?"
>
>
>Mounting:  Clamp mount,  robustness of mount.  Can the unit be removed 
>from the base / desk clamp, etc.
>
>
>Ease of working under the lamp/ magnifier:   Does the unit get in the 
>way of soldering, etc.
>
>
>Problems observed:  What could be done better
>
>
>Special note:  In the interest of limiting OT traffic on this list, 
>please reply direct if there are more than perhaps 6 or 8  posts to the 
>list.  I know Wayne and Eric will appreciate it. 
>
>
>Thank you.  
>
>
>- Jim, KL7CC
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[John Ragle]

Jim...(and list)...

Save your money!

I have a Luxo lamp mounted on a tensor arm and with a 6" dia circline 
fluorescent bulb. This particular one has the power supply in the base. 
It was made in USA. Two (very negative) comments:

1. The power supply is extremely noisy (RF noise). I had expected that 
the fluorescent fixture would be noisy, but this lamp is a real 
noise-pig EVEN WHEN THE LAMP IS OFF. I cannot have it plugged in when I 
am operating, as it saturates my receiver with RF noise.

2. The magnifier was almost useless for circuit board work. This is 
because the "edge effects" are quite large, in the sense that the 
in-focus image is only a tiny part of the whole aperture, and there is 
no binocular effect.

For circuit board work I much prefer a headband-mounted binocular 
magnifier. With this setup one has a sense of depth which is itself 
useful when working with small through-hole parts (or SM components, 
which are not contained in the kits you mention). The particular one I 
use came from Radio Shack at least 40 years ago. The magnifier folds up 
out of the way, and the construction is very light-weight.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

=

On 7/19/2011 9:27 AM, Jim Wiley wrote:
> I would like to get the opinion of Elecraft list members, particularly
> builders of kit versions of the K1, K2, and K3, concerning magnifier
> lamps.  These are commonly known as "Luxo lamps", although that is only
> the best known brand.  In other words, what are you using, how does it
> work for you, and what don't you like, if anything,
>
>
> Things to consider:
>
>
> Best magnification factor.   The most common are 1.75X (3 diopter) and
> 2.25X (5 diopter).
>
>
> Size and shape of magnifying lens:  How big, and is round or rectangular
> shape factor best
>
>
> Focal range:  how far from work is optimum, and what are close and far
> limits
>
>
> Eyestrain:  distortion, clarity of lens,  adequacy of illumination
>
>
> Illumination:   L:ED vs. fluorescent lamps - which is better / brighter.
> For fluorescent or CFL lamps, how long to reach max output
>
>
> Positioning:  Best arm length,  does the unit "stay where it's put?"
>
>
> Mounting:  Clamp mount,  robustness of mount.  Can the unit be removed
> from the base / desk clamp, etc.
>
>
> Ease of working under the lamp/ magnifier:   Does the unit get in the
> way of soldering, etc.
>
>
> Problems observed:  What could be done better
>
>
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> please reply direct if there are more than perhaps 6 or 8  posts to the
> list.  I know Wayne and Eric will appreciate it.
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia

[Kate Hutton]

Exclusion is not always unfriendly.  I have often heard net members converse
before or after a net about net matters, using KN.

73 Kate K6HTN

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Matt Zilmer  wrote:

> KN also tells a breaking station that you're in QSO.  So if they creep
> up on your signal during the tail end (callsign exchange), the context
> is clear.  I've always taken KN to mean a context marking rather than
> some unfriendly indicator of exclusion.  Haven't met any hams that are
> like that :)
>
> 73,
> matt W6NIA
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:31:18 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >bk doesn't bother me so much if it's sent as BK and not _BK_ (i.e. not run
> together). For clarity's sake, if I just end with K I leave an extra amount
> of space so that meaning is clear, per Igor's note below.
> >
> >I don't ever use _KN_ myself anymore. Mostly because, yes, it's a
> parentheses, but also because all the ARRL books I ever read when I was
> studying back in the '80's, and these books were older than that by some
> amount, said that _KN_ means something like, "I only want a response from
> the other station, no breaking stations please", which doesn't seem terribly
> friendly.
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Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia

[Matt Zilmer]

KN also tells a breaking station that you're in QSO.  So if they creep
up on your signal during the tail end (callsign exchange), the context
is clear.  I've always taken KN to mean a context marking rather than
some unfriendly indicator of exclusion.  Haven't met any hams that are
like that :)

73,
matt W6NIA




On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:31:18 -0400, you wrote:

>bk doesn't bother me so much if it's sent as BK and not _BK_ (i.e. not run 
>together). For clarity's sake, if I just end with K I leave an extra amount of 
>space so that meaning is clear, per Igor's note below. 
>
>I don't ever use _KN_ myself anymore. Mostly because, yes, it's a parentheses, 
>but also because all the ARRL books I ever read when I was studying back in 
>the '80's, and these books were older than that by some amount, said that _KN_ 
>means something like, "I only want a response from the other station, no 
>breaking stations please", which doesn't seem terribly friendly. 
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[Elecraft] OT - Magnifier lamp

[Jim Wiley]

I would like to get the opinion of Elecraft list members, particularly 
builders of kit versions of the K1, K2, and K3, concerning magnifier 
lamps.  These are commonly known as "Luxo lamps", although that is only 
the best known brand.  In other words, what are you using, how does it 
work for you, and what don't you like, if anything,


Things to consider:


Best magnification factor.   The most common are 1.75X (3 diopter) and 
2.25X (5 diopter).  


Size and shape of magnifying lens:  How big, and is round or rectangular 
shape factor best


Focal range:  how far from work is optimum, and what are close and far 
limits


Eyestrain:  distortion, clarity of lens,  adequacy of illumination


Illumination:   L:ED vs. fluorescent lamps - which is better / brighter. 
For fluorescent or CFL lamps, how long to reach max output


Positioning:  Best arm length,  does the unit "stay where it's put?"


Mounting:  Clamp mount,  robustness of mount.  Can the unit be removed 
from the base / desk clamp, etc.


Ease of working under the lamp/ magnifier:   Does the unit get in the 
way of soldering, etc.


Problems observed:  What could be done better


Special note:  In the interest of limiting OT traffic on this list, 
please reply direct if there are more than perhaps 6 or 8  posts to the 
list.  I know Wayne and Eric will appreciate it. 


Thank you.  


- Jim, KL7CC
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Re: [Elecraft] Repairing Circuit Boards - sort of OT

[Matt Zilmer]

PanaVise.  There are at least three kinds whose jaws are meant to hold
PCBAs.  For most of these, the jaw axis can be easily unlocked and
flipped 180 deg to present either component or solder side.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 06:28:23 -0400, you wrote:

>I recently repaired a KIO3 board, replacing U1 to restore serial port 
>operation.  It worked, but in the course of doing the job it was 
>annoying to contend with the circuit board skittering across my work 
>surface.  Now I have another KIO3 to repair, and I'd like to avoid the 
>hassle.  What do you folks use to hold a circuit board in place flat on 
>your work surface?
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Re: [Elecraft] Repairing Circuit Boards - sort of OT

[Ian White GM3SEK]

Pete Smith wrote:
>I recently repaired a KIO3 board, replacing U1 to restore serial port
>operation.  It worked, but in the course of doing the job it was
>annoying to contend with the circuit board skittering across my work
>surface.  Now I have another KIO3 to repair, and I'd like to avoid the
>hassle.  What do you folks use to hold a circuit board in place flat on
>your work surface?
>

For small boards I use a Panavise (clone) to hold the board firmly at a 
convenient angle for soldering:



For ESD protection, the clip lead connects the circuit ground on the PC 
board to the safety ground for the soldering iron, and also to an ESD 
wrist strap.


-- 

73 from Ian GM3SEK
http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek
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[Elecraft] WANTED: KSB2

[DaveVK]

Hi,

If anyone is selling a well built and working SSB module for the K2, please
email me off the list.

Regards,

Dave.

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Re: [Elecraft] Repairing Circuit Boards - sort of OT

[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy]

Pete,

I have not seen a K103 board but when working on a board assembly, most of 
my homebrewed ones are populated by SMDs, I always add "legs" to both sides 
of the board.  These "legs" are made from metal spacers - the type which has 
a threaded insert at one end and a "screw" at the other end.  If necessary 
one leg can be clamped in a small vise to stop any skittering.  The legs are 
attached to the board using those holes which are to be used for mounting 
the board, and at least one leg will make good contact with the board's 
groundplane(s).

This method prevents the board (or its components) from rubbing on the work 
surface, and one does not have to touch the board if it has to be turned 
over during assembly/ repair.

73,

Geoff
GM4ESD


On July 19, 2011 at 11:28 Z, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:



>I recently repaired a KIO3 board, replacing U1 to restore serial port
> operation.  It worked, but in the course of doing the job it was
> annoying to contend with the circuit board skittering across my work
> surface.  Now I have another KIO3 to repair, and I'd like to avoid the
> hassle.  What do you folks use to hold a circuit board in place flat on
> your work surface?
>
> -- 
> 73, Pete N4ZR


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Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia

[Jim Sheldon]

I normally don't respond to these threads on the Elecraft reflector because all 
they do is create clutter, but the over use of KN brings to mind a very funny 
situation I noted on 30 meters the other day.  Someone (who shall remain 
nameless to avoid hard feelings/embarrassment on his part) was calling CQ and 
ending with KN.  

Needless to say, I didn't bother to call him as he evidently only wanted to 
hear himself send and didn't really want to talk to anyone.

Jim - W0EB


> I don't ever use _KN_ myself anymore. 
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY

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Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia

[Dale Putnam]

BK sent as a procedural  was originally brought about by the conversion of 
stations to automatic control of changeover from xmit to rx... with seperate 
rx/tx and no controling assistance, it took some time to cut the high voltage 
from the tx, change the antenna feed to the rx, and unmute the rx. Then when 
the other fellow was done, and sent his "k", the reverse had to be done... the 
prosign "BK" was used to let the other station know that you had fast 
changeover and he could start talking right away... rather than wait until he 
figured the changeover had been made.   That one prosign speeded up 
converstaions a whole lot.  Now.. no one needs use it.. as everyone but the 
brave, have xceivers that changeover very fast. Have a great day, 

--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
  
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Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia

[Buddy Brannan]

bk doesn't bother me so much if it's sent as BK and not _BK_ (i.e. not run 
together). For clarity's sake, if I just end with K I leave an extra amount of 
space so that meaning is clear, per Igor's note below. 

I don't ever use _KN_ myself anymore. Mostly because, yes, it's a parentheses, 
but also because all the ARRL books I ever read when I was studying back in the 
'80's, and these books were older than that by some amount, said that _KN_ 
means something like, "I only want a response from the other station, no 
breaking stations please", which doesn't seem terribly friendly. 
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:05 AM, Igor Sokolov wrote:

> When I hear something like UA9CDC de UA9AFK I always wonder if it is UA9AFK 
> or UA9AF K
> I always thought that BK is used when one wants to omit sending both call 
> signs in the end of message. I also thought that station sending BK wants to 
> tell me that he is using break in and therefore can be interrupted whenever 
> is needed.
> 
> 73, Igor UA9CDC
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Gary Gregory" 
> To: "Mike Morrow" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
> 
> 
>> sounds good to me...AR
>> 
>> On 19 July 2011 13:04, Mike Morrow  wrote:
>> 
>>> Bert wrote:
>>> 
 I've yet to hear --...  ...--  ... sent - hihi
>>> 
>>> Don't you mean --... ...-- .. ... ?  :-)
>>> 
>>> My pet peeve is use of that damned "BK".  "KN" doesn't make much sense
>>> either...that's actually an open parenthesis.  Both are just ham-only
>>> prosigns that would never have been heard on professional military or
>>> commercial Morse radiotelegraph circuits.
>>> 
>>> What's wrong with the military standard:  If a response is expected from
>>> the other station, send "K" (equivalent to phone "OVER").  If a response
>>> is not expected, send "AR" (equivalent to phone "OUT").  That's it in
>>> total!
>>> 
>>> There's zero value to that repulsive "BK" that has spread like an ugly
>>> malignant Morse teratoma among many hams in the past decade or so.
>>> 
>>> Mike / KK5F
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Re: [Elecraft] "Q" signal trivia/Special Event Station W2S

[stan levandowski]

Anyone who needs help "remembering" the Sixties may wish to mark his or 
her calendar for August 15, 16, and 17.  I'll be operating as W2S in 
recognition of the 42nd Anniversary of the 1969 Woodstock Festival. 
Certificate will be offered for a 9x12 SASE.  7.034 and 14.034.  Single 
Op (just me).  CW only of course.  Rig will be my barefoot K2 because, 
fittingly, it uses a pair of 2SC1969s in the PA.  Additional details on 
page 89 of August QST or on the bio page of my QRZ.com entry.

Seventythreeses,

73, Stan WB2LQF
KX1 #2411K1#2994K2# 6980K3#5244 K9 #1 (Cocoa the 
Chihuahua)
Everything is QRP, even the dog.


On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:

> You /remember/ them?
>
> On 7/18/2011 12:21 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> I remember the '60s as a time of "anything goes" so it is fair to use 
>> your apostrophes
>> in any way your creative mind can dream up.
> -- 
> Vic, K2VCO
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Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia

[Igor Sokolov]

When I hear something like UA9CDC de UA9AFK I always wonder if it is UA9AFK 
or UA9AF K
I always thought that BK is used when one wants to omit sending both call 
signs in the end of message. I also thought that station sending BK wants to 
tell me that he is using break in and therefore can be interrupted whenever 
is needed.

73, Igor UA9CDC

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Gregory" 
To: "Mike Morrow" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia


> sounds good to me...AR
>
> On 19 July 2011 13:04, Mike Morrow  wrote:
>
>> Bert wrote:
>>
>> > I've yet to hear --...  ...--  ... sent - hihi
>>
>> Don't you mean --... ...-- .. ... ?  :-)
>>
>> My pet peeve is use of that damned "BK".  "KN" doesn't make much sense
>> either...that's actually an open parenthesis.  Both are just ham-only
>> prosigns that would never have been heard on professional military or
>> commercial Morse radiotelegraph circuits.
>>
>> What's wrong with the military standard:  If a response is expected from
>> the other station, send "K" (equivalent to phone "OVER").  If a response
>> is not expected, send "AR" (equivalent to phone "OUT").  That's it in
>> total!
>>
>> There's zero value to that repulsive "BK" that has spread like an ugly
>> malignant Morse teratoma among many hams in the past decade or so.
>>
>> Mike / KK5F
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Re: [Elecraft] Repairing Circuit Boards - sort of OT

[Fred Townsend]

In the factory we normally used 1/2" rubber mats (mildly conductive of
course). There are few boards that will be damaged if placed directly on the
mat. For those we used Panavise fixtures.  Google will show many kinds.

73

de Fred, AE6QL

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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:28 AM
To: Elecraft List
Subject: [Elecraft] Repairing Circuit Boards - sort of OT

I recently repaired a KIO3 board, replacing U1 to restore serial port
operation.  It worked, but in the course of doing the job it was annoying to
contend with the circuit board skittering across my work surface.  Now I
have another KIO3 to repair, and I'd like to avoid the hassle.  What do you
folks use to hold a circuit board in place flat on your work surface?

--
73, Pete N4ZR

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Re: [Elecraft] Repairing Circuit Boards - sort of OT

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

Anti-static mat!
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On 19 Jul 2011, at 11:28, Pete Smith wrote:

> I recently repaired a KIO3 board, replacing U1 to restore serial port 
> operation.  It worked, but in the course of doing the job it was 
> annoying to contend with the circuit board skittering across my work 
> surface.  Now I have another KIO3 to repair, and I'd like to avoid the 
> hassle.  What do you folks use to hold a circuit board in place flat on 
> your work surface?
> 
> -- 
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> 
> The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com
> The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at 
> reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
> spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000
> 
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[Elecraft] Repairing Circuit Boards - sort of OT

[Pete Smith]

I recently repaired a KIO3 board, replacing U1 to restore serial port 
operation.  It worked, but in the course of doing the job it was 
annoying to contend with the circuit board skittering across my work 
surface.  Now I have another KIO3 to repair, and I'd like to avoid the 
hassle.  What do you folks use to hold a circuit board in place flat on 
your work surface?

-- 
73, Pete N4ZR

The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com
The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at 
reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000


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