[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi School Enrollment Down
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/30/05 8:01 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another full paying family took their full-paying kids out of town to a Waldorf school where they found there was also a consciousness based values system. The Fairfield home schooling program and the private home schooling seminar/tutoring teachers have always been a good alternative here and they are flourishing right now handling the MSAE erosion. A friend of mine took her full-paying son out of MSAE because a lot of his classmates were into swearing, looking at porn, etc. He's been doing home schooling since. In other words, they were into being kids, and she didn't like that... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My addition: Nightline did a town hall meeting show the other night in which they discussed the nation's preparedness for disasters which are likely to strike. The general consensus was that despite 4 years of Homeland Security efforts, we are poorly prepared. Ted Koppel's closing remark was that he hoped we get prepared in time, but there was a strong note of doubt in his voice. How can a nation whose very nature is based on the denial of reality be prepared for reality? Not gonna happen. I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Actually, personal isolation is considered THE best way to handle something like this, but feel free to call sound medical advice paranoia if you like... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi School Enrollment Down
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/30/05 8:01 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another full paying family took their full-paying kids out of town to a Waldorf school where they found there was also a consciousness based values system. The Fairfield home schooling program and the private home schooling seminar/tutoring teachers have always been a good alternative here and they are flourishing right now handling the MSAE erosion. A friend of mine took her full-paying son out of MSAE because a lot of his classmates were into swearing, looking at porn, etc. He's been doing home schooling since. And if he kid were in the Fairfield school system, she would have felt it necessary to have taken her kid out for the same reasons. And now she's going to make a homebody out of the kid so he is not around those sweary porny kids, in addition to home schooling him? Going to school socializes kids, and porn and swearing are part of the culture that kids need to deal with. From the mouth and mind of Bob Brigante, noted world authority on child behavior. How come you didn't include a Vedic quote? How many kids do you have? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Actually, personal isolation is considered THE best way to handle something like this, but feel free to call sound medical advice paranoia if you like... I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was published in the peer reviewed Thlise Journal of Mind and Behavior, in which 2of the 12 ME studies were published. So according to the standards attributed to peer reviewed journals by some, I guess this is gospel. Do you agree Dr. Pete? Others? -- The Experience of a Conscious Self Thomas Natsoulas, University of California, Davis The Journal of Mind and Behavior, Autumn 1983, Volume 4, Number 4, Pages 451478, ISSN 02710137 Contrary to what a number of prominent psychologists have lately proposed, the present article argues that there is no inner conscious subject. Insofar as a mental episode may be said to have a subject, or to be had by a conscious self, it is always the self-aware human being who is its subject. The human being's experience of a conscious self, as being distinct from himself or herself, amounts to a natural dissociation produced by the human being's self-awarenesses. There is a strong tendency to distinguish anything of which one is aware from that which is aware of it. This leaves, finally, and inner subject of which one cannot be aware, but to which one has learned to make a purported reference each time one is directly aware of mental episode. Requests for reprints should be sent to T. Natsoulas, Ph.D., Psychology Department, University of California, Davis, California 95616. It would be important to understand how the writer here defines the concept subject. I use that concept in the meaning I learned in school in grammar. When somebody says: I see a flower he is referring with the concept I to a subject, himself, who sees the flower. That way I consider it to be quite confusing to say there is no I, no subject, as we in expressing ourselves all the time use language in a way that there is a subject. On the other hand I think I know what kind of inner experience people are referring to, when they say there is no I. I just expect them to express themselves much more clearly and accurately. Defining all the concepts as with what kind of meaning and with what kind of connotations they are using them would be essential. If no such definitions are made I interpret the concept to be used in its most common meaning. I agree fully that the subject cannot be conscious of itself. I, the subject, mainly forms the part of ourselves that is not conscious. With that I mean the subject cannot see inside itself. Feeling oneself ( a subject) to be interacting and dealing with energies and sensations(they can be felt as internal, and mostly are) , doesn't need to mean seeing this wave (subject) as separate and isolated from the ocean. I wonder what kind of a reality a person has, who claims to have no I. In that case posts would just appear from nowhere to FFL. No subject is writing them and no subject is aware of this writing process and no one is responsible of the content of the posts. That kind of enlightenment would mean no awareness. Regressing to the level of a stone. Awareness means there is an entity (subject) that is aware. If some entity is aware, that entity is a subject according to how I understand the concept subject. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? I quote an earlier earlier post of yours dr.Pete: The mind wants to have a story as a defense against experiences that contradict its primary story. Why have any story at all? MMY is a con artist; MMY is a great saint. He's both, he's neither, he's nothing. Why have any story/position at all. Does it matter? Attached, non-attached...just more stories. Dr. Pete why do you want to create this story. Enlightened or not enlightened, doesn't matter, just stories. In addition to that enlightenment is a very confusing concept, because it is understood in so many ways. I myself also understand it in many ways. In one end I see every living sentient being to be enlightened and at the other extreme no one qualifies. Why do you need to defend MMY hiding so strongly behind the story of enlightenment (100% true). Or maybe there is no I, who has an agenda to defend here. Words just lightly pop up from nowhere, there is no weight, no emotional stirring prompting YOU to write? Whom are YOU trying to delude here and why? Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? I quote an earlier earlier post of yours dr.Pete: The mind wants to have a story as a defense against experiences that contradict its primary story. Why have any story at all? MMY is a con artist; MMY is a great saint. He's both, he's neither, he's nothing. Why have any story/position at all. Does it matter? Attached, non-attached...just more stories. Dr. Pete why do you want to create this story. Enlightened or not enlightened, doesn't matter, just stories. In addition to that enlightenment is a very confusing concept, because it is understood in so many ways. I myself also understand it in many ways. In one end I see every living sentient being to be enlightened and at the other extreme no one qualifies. Why do you need to defend MMY hiding so strongly behind the story of enlightenment (100% true). Or maybe there is no I, who has an agenda to defend here. Words just lightly pop up from nowhere, there is no weight, no emotional stirring prompting YOU to write? Whom are YOU trying to delude here and why? Irmeli Good questions. I'm not defending a MMY story (or at least I'm not aware that I am). I'm just noting my experience of MMY. Vaj believes certain relative criteria are indicative of enlightenment, something completely outside the realm of relative measure. He says he's right. I say he's wrong. We're having a discussion. You can have a discussion about stories without creating new stories. I don't know how familiar you are with Derida's work on deconstruction. Derida argues, very persuasively once you understand what the hell he's talking about, that all discourse negates itself and means nothing. Yet he's having quite a meaningful discussion about meaninglessness! I see the same thing at play when we discuss stories or points of mental/conceptual attachment. Most people in and out of the TMO defend stories of enlightenment. Yet that condition of enlightenment, for lack of a better concept, is outside of any story. I see one of the great shocks to the mind in enlightenment is the utter emptiness of consciousness. It implies nothing in the relative either good or bad. There is no story of enlightenment. Stories are for the mind only in avidya to entertain itself and to stay attached to a discourse of enlightenment-something that has nothing to do with enlightenment! Like someone fantasizing what it will be like to be enlightened. It has nothing to do with enlightenment and actually prevents enlightenment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder what kind of a reality a person has, who claims to have no I. In that case posts would just appear from nowhere to FFL. No subject is writing them and no subject is aware of this writing process and no one is responsible of the content of the posts. That kind of enlightenment would mean no awareness. Regressing to the level of a stone. Awareness means there is an entity (subject) that is aware. If some entity is aware, that entity is a subject according to how I understand the concept subject. Irmeli You are confounding a subjective self with consciousness. This is the condition of avidya and the phenomenological reality of ignorance-there is a subjective, separate self. But in enlightenment it becomes quite clear that there is no subjective, separate self. There is no I of avidya. That goes away and there is nothing left...and that no-thing is consciousness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Actually, personal isolation is considered THE best way to handle something like this, but feel free to call sound medical advice paranoia if you like... I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. It hasn't mutated yet and it probably won't. But if it does, our bodies have no antibodies for it and we're in for a shit storm. But how isolated can a person be? The last big pandemic in 1917, over half the world's population actually caught that flu. 20 to 60 million died. Amazing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi School Enrollment Down
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/30/05 8:01 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another full paying family took their full-paying kids out of town to a Waldorf school where they found there was also a consciousness based values system. The Fairfield home schooling program and the private home schooling seminar/tutoring teachers have always been a good alternative here and they are flourishing right now handling the MSAE erosion. A friend of mine took her full-paying son out of MSAE because a lot of his classmates were into swearing, looking at porn, etc. He's been doing home schooling since. What's wrong with looking at some fucking tits? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can a nation whose very nature is based on the denial of reality be prepared for reality? Not gonna happen. Good one! The first post-modern presidency--we discourse our reality to our liking. __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi School Enrollment Down
--- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/30/05 8:01 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another full paying family took their full-paying kids out of town to a Waldorf school where they found there was also a consciousness based values system. The Fairfield home schooling program and the private home schooling seminar/tutoring teachers have always been a good alternative here and they are flourishing right now handling the MSAE erosion. A friend of mine took her full-paying son out of MSAE because a lot of his classmates were into swearing, looking at porn, etc. He's been doing home schooling since. And if he kid were in the Fairfield school system, she would have felt it necessary to have taken her kid out for the same reasons. And now she's going to make a homebody out of the kid so he is not around those sweary porny kids, in addition to home schooling him? Going to school socializes kids, and porn and swearing are part of the culture that kids need to deal with. Excellent point. I know many ru families have a hard time dealing with sex, just like the TMO. Denial and avoidance isn't going to work. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Actually, personal isolation is considered THE best way to handle something like this, but feel free to call sound medical advice paranoia if you like... I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. So, how would YOU react in a pandemic of the kind that the aivan flu might bring about? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Florida News
I'm getting off easy because I live on the same power grid as the local government center and police station. By Wednesday of last week I had power and water. No cable though! Watching DVD's and using rabbit ears to watch football. I don't know if its really as bad as the media is portraying. They take the worst case scenerio they can find and then sensationalize it as if it is the common experience. It just isn't true. There's plenty of food at most chain grocery stores and they got fresh dairy in this Saturday. The first 24 hours were the hardest but that's by lazy, spoiled American standards. If you lost your house, now that's a different story. But in general, everybody is doing fine. No big deal at all. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: Just now reading a week's worth of FFL. My parents and brother live in South Florida and lost all power, telephone service AND water. They wound up going to a local hospital a day after the hurricane to check in with me. They were without these services for several days. Only Friday my parents (W. Palm Beach) power came back on...think water came on a day or two before. My brother got through a couple times on cell. He said the lines at the gas stations were over 8 HOURS long. And he said something interesting. That water and ice were readily available for him because he lived in a wealthy neighborhood. FEMA had set up a distribution center a couple of blocks away from his house in a church and you just drove through...he implied it was different for the impoverished. This is very scary. Wealthy S. Florida without power for days and days, some still without power a week later. WE ARE NOT PREPARED. We share an office suite with a CPA who is a Mormon. Part of their RELIGION is disaster preparedness...they are required to have one year of food in storage. Think I'm going to a food storage meeting with him . non-Mormans can use their food storage facility The worst is yet to come. Have a good week. My addition: Nightline did a town hall meeting show the other night in which they discussed the nation's preparedness for disasters which are likely to strike. The general consensus was that despite 4 years of Homeland Security efforts, we are poorly prepared. Ted Koppel's closing remark was that he hoped we get prepared in time, but there was a strong note of doubt in his voice. I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Actually, personal isolation is considered THE best way to handle something like this, but feel free to call sound medical advice paranoia if you like... I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. It hasn't mutated yet and it probably won't. But if it does, our bodies have no antibodies for it and we're in for a shit storm. But how isolated can a person be? The last big pandemic in 1917, over half the world's population actually caught that flu. 20 to 60 million died. Amazing. Tell me about it. My father's parents almost certainly died in that flu epidemic. He was an orphan, and has no idea who they might have been. And as for how isolated can a person be?, that was my point with comparing the mindset to Poe's The Masque of the Red Death. When you're talking airborne viruses and the reality of modern-day world travel, the desire to be isolated is probably as illusory for us as it was for Prince Prospero. At the same time, and while not giving in to the scare tactics being waged about this subject in the media right now, I am happy I won't be spending 90 minutes a day in the Metro any more. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi School Enrollment Down
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine took her full-paying son out of MSAE because a lot of his classmates were into swearing, looking at porn, etc. He's been doing home schooling since. What's wrong with looking at some fucking tits? It's BAD FOR YOU, Pete...doncha know that? Lord knows we never looked at photos of tits while growing up. Never whacked off, either. If we had, we might have turned out to be sicko perverts. Oh. Never mind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. So, how would YOU react in a pandemic of the kind that the aivan flu might bring about? Well, I might move to a small village in the south of France. :-) Seriously, that move has been planned for some time, and I'll be there permanently in the next couple of days. My desire to move there was developed as a result of other factors than the flu, but am I happy I won't be spending hours in the Metro standing next to coughing people this winter? You bet your ass I am. My original point, however, had to do with the mind- set of buying into propaganda about an epidemic that DOES NOT EXIST. The flu virus in question HAS NOT mutated to become airborne, and thus at this point affects only humans who have been in direct contact with the infected birds. The media, however, are drumming up a whole buncha FEAR about this issue, for their usual reason -- to sell more papers or to sell more commercial time. The FEAR mindset being generated is supported and strengthened by the Bush administration, because they want the American people as fearful as humanly possible. And Americans, true to their nature, are falling for it. If it becomes a real issue, I will deal with it as a real issue. At this point, making a lot of plans for how I'm going to deal with an imaginary epidemic makes as much sense to me as stocking up on tinfoil to protect myself from the alien invasion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cynthia Preston?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes! She's the one. My Mom sent me a newsclipping about her from a Fairfield newspaper. Do you know how I might email her? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Cynthia Preston on this list or does anyone know her? She just came out with a wonderfully creative book in my field. Thanks, Vashti Are you referring to Cynthia Preston who recently came out with a book on crochet? Too Cute Crochet -- for Babies and Toddlers. She is a MUM grad, married to artist John Preston. They live on a farm south of Fairfield. She is a very nice woman who, if I remember correctly, worked as a gourmet cook at Surya Financial way back in the 80s. She is a talented, creative, gracious woman. Sorry, I do not have her email... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. Why yes, and acknowledged by everyone these days: no control group. The experimental design had the subjects serve as their own controls; that was the point about measuring metabolism before TM and during TM. The problem was that they didn't measure the difference between [sitting/eyes open] and [sitting/eyes closed] before measuring TM. That's how they failed to note that [sitting/eyes closed] lowered the oxygen consumption as much as did TM. Another way of putting it might be: Measurements indicate the possibility that reduction of oxygen consumption during TM may be due to closing the eyes, as opposed to commencing the mantra. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Journal of Mind and Behavior -- Third Tier University Journal
On Oct 30, 2005, at 12:11 PM, akasha_108 wrote:Following are the abstracts for all of the articles published in the same volume as the "Consciousness as a Field: The Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Program and Changes in Social Indicators" - one of the 12 ME cited PR journal articles. and the later Volume 9 with the paper, Test of a Field Model of Consciousness and Social Change: The Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Program and Decreased Urban Crime" It gives a context for the type of "research" the Journal of Mind and Behavior (from which 2 of the 12 cited ME studies were published) accepts -- and its degree of "rigor" for reviewing research. It appears that the ME studies are the only papers in these two volumes that actually did any research. The rest appear to be conceptual papers. So reviewing complex statistical / econometric / social science research does not appear to be its forte -- or its "peers" committee. The Journal of Mind and Behavior is published by the Department of Psychology, University of Maine. The Graduate School serves the needs of the over 2000 graduate students -- not a particularly large program. The UofM is ranked as a 3rd tier university by the USNWR survey.A friend who was a dean there said that the typical "publish or perish" ethic didn't apply at U of Maine--they were just delighted when someone *did* publish. Univ of Maine is known for grabbing some good Ivy league profs, but with a dumbed down curriculum. It's one of the places you go if you can't get in anywhere else I am told, a good "party school" and very inexpensive. The psychology faculty does not appear particularly distinguished based on their graduate schools. http://fhcit.hctr.um.maine.edu:16080/psychology/faculty.html The editor of the Journal of Mind and Behavior is not even on the main faculty but is on Associated Faculty as a Research Associate -- after graduating almost 30 years ago from U of M. Raymond C. Russ, Ph.D. (University of Maine, 1977), Research Associate. Editor, Journal of Mind and Behavior. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter:MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? Irmeli:I quote an earlier earlier post of yours dr.Pete: The mind wants to have a story as a defense against experiences that contradict its primary story. Why have any story at all? MMY is a con artist; MMY is a great saint. He's both, he's neither, he's nothing. Why have any story/position at all. Does it matter? Attached, non-attached...just more stories. Dr. Pete why do you want to create this story. Enlightened or not enlightened, doesn't matter, just stories. In addition to that enlightenment is a very confusing concept, because it is understood in so many ways. I myself also understand it in many ways. In one end I see every living sentient being to be enlightened and at the other extreme no one qualifies. Why do you need to defend MMY hiding so strongly behind the story of enlightenment (100% true). Or maybe there is no I, who has an agenda to defend here. Words just lightly pop up from nowhere, there is no weight, no emotional stirring prompting YOU to write? Whom are YOU trying to delude here and why? Peter: Good questions. I'm not defending a MMY story (or at least I'm not aware that I am). I'm just noting my experience of MMY. Big snip Irmeli: I would never express my subjective experience in the terms you did: MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Are you implying here that because you are enlightened and you have no separate personal self your perceptions are 100% true? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. The next development was metastudies which showed that, according to global measures, TM produced a state of rest twice as deep as deep sleep. The claim was the same, but no longer based on a starkly simple, irrefutable measurement. Now it was teased out of the statistics. The whole thing was smoothed over within a few months. L B S Except that Kesterson's finding was based on examining the physiology of people inthe breath suspension state because the assumption was that O2 consumption was driving the reduction in O2. It wasn't. That was NOT smoothed over, and Keith Wallace's book formally acknowledges that the early studies were flawed in that regard. O2 is no longer seen as a measure of rest during TM. To the best of my knowledge, Kesterson was the first (at least within the movement) to point out the design flaw. You are correct about the nature of his research; however, during the course of his research he pointed out the flaw under consideration here. The nature of the smoothing over had to do with finding a justification for maintaining the twice as deep as sleep epithet. As I mentioned above, this concept has been retained, but on the basis of metastudies, not on the basis of a single measure as previously. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. The next development was metastudies which showed that, according to global measures, TM produced a state of rest twice as deep as deep sleep. The claim was the same, but no longer based on a starkly simple, irrefutable measurement. Now it was teased out of the statistics. The whole thing was smoothed over within a few months. L B S ** Mebbe so, but what TMer has not experienced the lessening of breath (which subsumes lessening of oxygen consumption), so it's a just a measurement problem -- it's not false that oxygen consumption is significantly lower in TM. @@@ Exactly, Bobananda. However, it would be indistinguishably lower than if you were just sitting with eyes closed. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Actually, personal isolation is considered THE best way to handle something like this, but feel free to call sound medical advice paranoia if you like... I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. Well, actually you were suggesting the isolation measure itself was futile: If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
On Oct 30, 2005, at 9:04 PM, L B Shriver wrote:Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. Based on recent studies I have read on forms of deep meditation by Benson, sleep drops O2 consumption by about 15%. Simple meditation dropped O2 consumption about 17%, so there is a slight reduction with TM-style mediation. Deep meditation, where one is taking awareness into the central channel, drops O2 consumption by a whopping 64%.I was also recently reading one of Swami Veda's students could drop there metabolic rate to one breath a minute--so low that they could have surgery with just a local anesthetic. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Run from your houses
Someone asked me: hey, rick - do you have quotes from maharishi about how people should run from their houses as if they're on fire (because their not sthapatya vedic) Thanks. --- Does anyone have such a quote or even a web address? Most of us remember him saying this or people like Bevan quoting him as saying this. Yeah, Maharishi said that in Holland during that foundation speech about SV. How if he had only had the movement in SV the TMO would have been so much more productive etc. It was one of those January 12th coming out of silence times where donors could go over and be with MMY. No, some of the more astute heavy hitters in the room there recognized the coming trend from right then and ran to the telephones immediately calling Fairfield Real Estate agents put their Fairfield homes up for sale from Vlodrop. I am sorry but my transcription notes and audio tape of that meeting along with everything else in my life were destroyed completely in the fire. MSV, It was profitsized from then. The man is brilliant evidently in harnessing the volitions of people. Enlightened in some ways. JGD, -Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And as for how isolated can a person be?, that was my point with comparing the mindset to Poe's The Masque of the Red Death. When you're talking airborne viruses and the reality of modern-day world travel, the desire to be isolated is probably as illusory for us as it was for Prince Prospero. In regional terms, yes. In personal terms, it isn't either/or: you can be more isolated or less isolated. Even if the virus is spreading in your community, the more isolated you are--the less often you have to leave your home and have contact with others--the less chance you'll be exposed to the virus. If you do have to go out, there are measures you can take to isolate yourself from others (e.g., face masks). You can't eliminate your risk, but you can certainly reduce it significantly. If anybody's interested, there's a Flu Wiki with all kinds of information about preparedness on every level: http://www.fluwiki.com At the same time, and while not giving in to the scare tactics being waged about this subject in the media right now, Would that it were just the media, but it ain't. This is a case where the threat is all too real, even if it's being exaggerated in the media. I am happy I won't be spending 90 minutes a day in the Metro any more. :-) Another thing to take into account is the likely breakdown of essential services in a full-blown pandemic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter:MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? Irmeli:I quote an earlier earlier post of yours dr.Pete: The mind wants to have a story as a defense against experiences that contradict its primary story. Why have any story at all? MMY is a con artist; MMY is a great saint. He's both, he's neither, he's nothing. Why have any story/position at all. Does it matter? Attached, non-attached...just more stories. Dr. Pete why do you want to create this story. Enlightened or not enlightened, doesn't matter, just stories. In addition to that enlightenment is a very confusing concept, because it is understood in so many ways. I myself also understand it in many ways. In one end I see every living sentient being to be enlightened and at the other extreme no one qualifies. Why do you need to defend MMY hiding so strongly behind the story of enlightenment (100% true). Or maybe there is no I, who has an agenda to defend here. Words just lightly pop up from nowhere, there is no weight, no emotional stirring prompting YOU to write? Whom are YOU trying to delude here and why? Peter: Good questions. I'm not defending a MMY story (or at least I'm not aware that I am). I'm just noting my experience of MMY. Big snip Irmeli: I would never express my subjective experience in the terms you did: MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Are you implying here that because you are enlightened and you have no separate personal self your perceptions are 100% true? No, not at all. Everyone's experience is true. I've had many experiences of MMY's Divine nature. MMY is quite obviously enlightened based on the experiences I've had with him. Some will agrue against this, but , for me, it's like walking outside, getting wet because it's raining, walking back inside and having someone argue with you about how do you know you're wet? But with this understanding I also fully agree with many of your posts regarding MMY's apparent narcissistic pathology on the level of his personality. I think we have a lot of stories regarding enlightened behavior (there is no such thing) and MMY is just Natures antidote to remove such false notions and deep attachments He is a Kali Yuga guru, after all! p.s. The last sentence is a story! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If it becomes a real issue, I will deal with it as a real issue. At this point, making a lot of plans for how I'm going to deal with an imaginary epidemic makes as much sense to me as stocking up on tinfoil to protect myself from the alien invasion. Not really, because a pandemic is vastly more likely than an alien invasion; and while there are known effective measures to take against the flu, even if aliens did invade it's hardly likely that tinfoil would serve as protection. As to dealing with it when it becomes a real issue, the problem there is that when it becomes a real issue, everybody *else* is going to be dealing with it as well, many in panic mode, emptying supermarkets, hoarding gasoline, buying up generators, and so on. The kind of supplies and equipment you'd need to be able to isolate yourself will quickly become unavailable. It's a real dilemma to figure out what measures it makes sense to take at this stage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you see a flower, who is seeing the flower? That was basically my question. Your answer would probably be that in your case the Universal Self is seeing the flower, because you are enlightened. But I understand also the Universal Self to be a subject, I, who sees the flower. My (purely intellectual) understanding is that in Unity consciousness, there is no distinction between the flower, the process of seeing the flower, and that which sees the flower. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
It's very similar to dealing with hurricanes. You can't just wait until they hit. On the other hand, predictions of where one will hit and at what strength are not that dependable. You can't get freaked out everytime, and you can't be complacent either. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If it becomes a real issue, I will deal with it as a real issue. At this point, making a lot of plans for how I'm going to deal with an imaginary epidemic makes as much sense to me as stocking up on tinfoil to protect myself from the alien invasion. Not really, because a pandemic is vastly more likely than an alien invasion; and while there are known effective measures to take against the flu, even if aliens did invade it's hardly likely that tinfoil would serve as protection. As to dealing with it when it becomes a real issue, the problem there is that when it becomes a real issue, everybody *else* is going to be dealing with it as well, many in panic mode, emptying supermarkets, hoarding gasoline, buying up generators, and so on. The kind of supplies and equipment you'd need to be able to isolate yourself will quickly become unavailable. It's a real dilemma to figure out what measures it makes sense to take at this stage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
On Oct 31, 2005, at 8:42 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you see a flower, who is seeing the flower? That was basically my question. Your answer would probably be that in your case the Universal Self is seeing the flower, because you are enlightened. But I understand also the Universal Self to be a subject, "I", who sees the flower. My (purely intellectual) understanding is that in Unity consciousness, there is no distinction between the flower, the process of seeing the flower, and that which sees the flower. And also, even in glimpses of Unity it is said that other people appear as "Dakas and Dakinis"--divine beings--even before actualization of actual enlightenment in these people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you see a flower, who is seeing the flower? That was basically my question. Your answer would probably be that in your case the Universal Self is seeing the flower, because you are enlightened. But I understand also the Universal Self to be a subject, I, who sees the flower. My (purely intellectual) understanding is that in Unity consciousness, there is no distinction between the flower, the process of seeing the flower, and that which sees the flower. The way you express Unity consciousness could be also understood this way: In unity consciousness the differentiation between the flower, the process of seeing the flower and that which sees the flower is not there and possible. What a mess. That is the reality of a new born baby. I would describe Unity consciousness like this: In Unity consciousness it is seen and felt that the one who sees, the process of seeing and the seen are not independent and separate processes or entities from each other. Irmeli Irmeli Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Time
Breath = Time On Oct 30, 2005, at 10:58 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: A friend asked a question about where time fits into this whole E gig. In looking back at Patanjali (Shearer version) I happened to look at the end of both chapters 3 Expansion and 4 Enlightenment and thought some might like to ponder his points on Time. Chapter 3 Expansion Sutra 52 From Sanyama on moments and their succession, the finest discriminative knowledge is born. Sutra 53 This enables us to distinguish between two objects that are to all appearances identical. Sutra 54 Knowledge born of the finest discrimination takes us to the farthest shore. Sutra 55 And when the translucent intellect is as pure as the Self, there is Enlightenment. Chapter 4 Enlightenment Sutra 31 Knowledge which has been freed from the veils of impurity is unbounded. Whatever can be known is insignificant in its light. Sutra 32 This samadhi completes the transformations of the gunas and fulfils the purpose of evolution. Sutra 33 Now the process by which evolution unfolds through time is understood. Sutra 34 The gunas, their purpose fulfilled, return to their original state of harmony, and pure unbounded Consciousness remains, forever established in its own absolute nature. This is Enlightenment. What struck me was in Chapter 3 Time was used to gain the first stage of E and in Chapter 4 Time is essential to the evolution of the three gunas which appears to be the end state. This seems to suggest that what is the opening at the end of Chapter 3 reaches closure at the end of Chapter 4 and the entire teaching of this sage. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are confounding a subjective self with consciousness. This is the condition of avidya and the phenomenological reality of ignorance-there is a subjective, separate self. But in enlightenment it becomes quite clear that there is no subjective, separate self. There is no I of avidya. That goes away and there is nothing left...and that no-thing is consciousness. I'm not claiming there is a separate self. I'm claiming we all operate and interact in this world as entities we perceive or call as I or subject. I don't know the meaning of concept avidya. If you have read some of my posts you should know by now that I'm not familiar with Hindu or Buddhist concepts, except the most common ones. I find it quite odd to hide behind such concepts, if your purpose is to help me really to understand what you are trying to communicate. I am not confounding subjective self with consciousness. I'm saying quite the opposite the I, the subject, is the unconscious part of ourselves. If we become conscious of some aspects of the I, it is not anymore in the I. This becoming more and more aware is consciousness evolution. If enlightenment is defined as having nothing anymore to uncover from the I, I don't think anyone on this planet so far has been enlightened and will not be for a very long time. You are not answering the essential questions in my post. Did you even read with thought and a calm, open mind what I wrote. I suspect you just reacted, because your ego felt a hurt. It is totally human, I could have reacted that way too. The only difference is I don't claim myself to be beyond those reactions and take responsibility for that kind of behaviour, if it appears, and try to avoid it by looking at issues from several angles. If you see a flower, who is seeing the flower? That was basically my question. Your answer would probably be that in your case the Universal Self is seeing the flower, because you are enlightened. But I understand also the Universal Self to be a subject, I, who sees the flower. And isn't actually the Universal Self the one who sees through every eye in every consciousness everywhere at all times, while all these subjective small selfs (waves) also feel quite correctly simultaneously themselves to be the subject, who sees that part of reality which they manage to see through their instrument. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Take it as it comes quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free; Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate. -Chuang Tsu Come on, lads. This sounds like the founding principle of daytime TV. Shouldn't it begin with First get a six pack. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you see a flower, who is seeing the flower? That was basically my question. Your answer would probably be that in your case the Universal Self is seeing the flower, because you are enlightened. But I understand also the Universal Self to be a subject, I, who sees the flower. My (purely intellectual) understanding is that in Unity consciousness, there is no distinction between the flower, the process of seeing the flower, and that which sees the flower. The way you express Unity consciousness could be also understood this way: In unity consciousness the differentiation between the flower, the process of seeing the flower and that which sees the flower is not there and possible. What a mess. That is the reality of a new born baby. In a brahmin endowed with learning and humility, in a cow, in an elephant, in a dog and even in one who has lost his caste, the enlightened perceive the same. Bhagavad-Gita, V:18 MMY comments, in part: The mind of the realized man is fully infused with the state of Being--the oneness of life--and such a mind naturally has oneness of vision irrespective of what it sees. The apparent distinctions of relative existence fail to create division in its view. This does not mean that such a man fails to see a cow or is unable to distinguish it from a dog. Certainly he sees a cow as a cow and a dog as a dog, but the form of the cow and the form of the dog fail to blind him to the oneness of the Self, which is the same in both. Although he sees a cow and a dog, his Self is established in the Being of the cow and the Being of the dog, which is his own Being. The Lord stresses that the enlightened man, while beholding and acting in the whole of diversified creation, does not fall from his steadfast Unity of life, with which his mind is saturated and which remains indelibly infused into his vision. In other words, the enlightened person (presumably in Unity) sees both distinction and nondistinction, but the Unity of the person's state extends even to the distinction between distinction and nondistinction, i.e., distinction and nondistinction are not different. I would describe Unity consciousness like this: In Unity consciousness it is seen and felt that the one who sees, the process of seeing and the seen are not independent and separate processes or entities from each other. Nor is that which sees and feels that they are not independent and separate from the seeing and feeling thereof. Nor is that which sees and feels that it is not independent and separate from the seeing and feeling that they are not independent and separate... In other words, it's an infinite regress. But that's what Self-reference looks like under the influence of the mistake of the intellect, and why Unity consciousness cannot be accurately described in terms that make sense to the intellect. The more closely you analyze the words used in the description (any description), the more confusing and paradoxical they become. However, it can be useful to confront that confusion, because the more the intellect has to deal with its inadequacy to penetrate the mystery, the closer it is brought to the point where it is going to have to give up entirely (but also the more strenuously it fights giving up). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yet that condition of enlightenment, for lack of a better concept, is outside of any story. I see one of the great shocks to the mind in enlightenment is the utter emptiness of consciousness. It implies nothing in the relative either good or bad. There is no story of enlightenment. Stories are for the mind only in avidya to entertain itself and to stay attached to a discourse of enlightenment-something that has nothing to do with enlightenment! Like someone fantasizing what it will be like to be enlightened. It has nothing to do with enlightenment and actually prevents enlightenment. Yes the condition of enlightenment is not a concept or a story. But we humans have the capacity through language symbolically describe different conditions, phenomenon and processes. It is a wonderful tool as long as we don't mix symbolic representation with the real phenomenon. As we communicate a lot through this symbolic representation called language, we should try to define the concepts we use as precisely as possible. The word enlightenment is an important symbolic representation, but it should be defined accurately each time somebody uses it. Different people mean quite different things by that concept. And that creates unnecessary confusion and arguing. Theories or fables or stories are not just something to entertain oneself with. They have an important role in our making sense of our lived reality and the universe. Problematic they become if you consider them as absolute truth, and even more so if you get punished when testing or questioning those theories. Kali-juga is a fable I have very difficult to relate to at all. I cannot see any useful sense in it. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. The next development was metastudies which showed that, according to global measures, TM produced a state of rest twice as deep as deep sleep. The claim was the same, but no longer based on a starkly simple, irrefutable measurement. Now it was teased out of the statistics. The whole thing was smoothed over within a few months. L B S Except that Kesterson's finding was based on examining the physiology of people inthe breath suspension state because the assumption was that O2 consumption was driving the reduction in O2. It wasn't. That was NOT smoothed over, and Keith Wallace's book formally acknowledges that the early studies were flawed in that regard. This once again speaks to the attempt at integrity despite intense bigotry on the part of TM researchers. Bigotry is ugliness. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver snip now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. snip Than what? Keith Wallace sez that prone resting shows the lowest O2 consumption. You're behind the times... Haven't you read The Electic Koolaid Acid Test? We're all behind the times. The closest anyone gets is 1/30 of a second. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you see a flower, who is seeing the flower? That was basically my question. Your answer would probably be that in your case the Universal Self is seeing the flower, because you are enlightened. But I understand also the Universal Self to be a subject, I, who sees the flower. My (purely intellectual) understanding is that in Unity consciousness, there is no distinction between the flower, the process of seeing the flower, and that which sees the flower. The way you express Unity consciousness could be also understood this way: In unity consciousness the differentiation between the flower, the process of seeing the flower and that which sees the flower is not there and possible. What a mess. That is the reality of a new born baby. In a brahmin endowed with learning and humility, in a cow, in an elephant, in a dog and even in one who has lost his caste, the enlightened perceive the same. Bhagavad-Gita, V:18 MMY comments, in part: The mind of the realized man is fully infused with the state of Being--the oneness of life--and such a mind naturally has oneness of vision irrespective of what it sees. The apparent distinctions of relative existence fail to create division in its view. This does not mean that such a man fails to see a cow or is unable to distinguish it from a dog. Certainly he sees a cow as a cow and a dog as a dog, but the form of the cow and the form of the dog fail to blind him to the oneness of the Self, which is the same in both. Although he sees a cow and a dog, his Self is established in the Being of the cow and the Being of the dog, which is his own Being. The Lord stresses that the enlightened man, while beholding and acting in the whole of diversified creation, does not fall from his steadfast Unity of life, with which his mind is saturated and which remains indelibly infused into his vision. In other words, the enlightened person (presumably in Unity) sees both distinction and nondistinction, but the Unity of the person's state extends even to the distinction between distinction and nondistinction, i.e., distinction and nondistinction are not different. I would describe Unity consciousness like this: In Unity consciousness it is seen and felt that the one who sees, the process of seeing and the seen are not independent and separate processes or entities from each other. Nor is that which sees and feels that they are not independent and separate from the seeing and feeling thereof. Nor is that which sees and feels that it is not independent and separate from the seeing and feeling that they are not independent and separate... In other words, it's an infinite regress. But that's what Self-reference looks like under the influence of the mistake of the intellect, and why Unity consciousness cannot be accurately described in terms that make sense to the intellect. The more closely you analyze the words used in the description (any description), the more confusing and paradoxical they become. However, it can be useful to confront that confusion, because the more the intellect has to deal with its inadequacy to penetrate the mystery, the closer it is brought to the point where it is going to have to give up entirely (but also the more strenuously it fights giving up). Excellent post. The mind can't go where there is no mind. A conceptual mess is created if UC is understood from the phenomenological reality of waking state. Primarily it, enlightenment, is misunderstood as an experience that I have. Remember the book, Flatland ? I read it in a 10th grade physics class and it blew my mind because it helps, metaphorically, to understand epistemological limits that the mind is necessarily unaware of. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly (PS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. Wow, still relying on unpublished research and rumor are we? Hardly a 'bombshell'. Unpublished gossip, another arrow to the bigot's bow. OffWorld If you are referring to Kesterson's research, you might wish to consider that it was included in the dissertation for which MIU awarded his PhD. L B S By the way, I discussed Kesterson's research with Keith, and he confirmed to me that Kesterson's findings were correct. L B S ANd Keith has written about how things have changed since he first started doing researchon TM 35 years ago. And he did so LONG before Stephen Hawkings stated last year that his theory from the 1960's on black holes may be incorrect, and may not exist after all. This is a MUCH bigger flaw, and his whole career was built on it. He is still treated like God by physicists and laymen alike. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. Wow, still relying on unpublished research and rumor are we? Hardly a 'bombshell'. Unpublished gossip, another arrow to the bigot's bow. OffWorld If you are referring to Kesterson's research, you might wish to consider that it was included in the dissertation for which MIU awarded his PhD. L B S. I am really only interested in research published in peer- reviewed journals, though I am sure the research you cite is good, it has no meaning to the world as it stands, and even if it were published it has been somewhat swamped and washed away by the hundreds of other studies showing more important results and the 20 million + dollars in hard won grant money given by the NIH. OffWorld Which have nothing to do with O2 consumption, since Kesterson published his research... Maybe because nobody really cares about O2 consumption, but they do care about hypertension and heart disease strategies, and behavioural modifications in felons. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. The next development was metastudies which showed that, according to global measures, TM produced a state of rest twice as deep as deep sleep. The claim was the same, but no longer based on a starkly simple, irrefutable measurement. Now it was teased out of the statistics. The whole thing was smoothed over within a few months. L B S ** Mebbe so, but what TMer has not experienced the lessening of breath (which subsumes lessening of oxygen consumption), so it's a just a measurement problem -- it's not false that oxygen consumption is significantly lower in TM. This is true, it is so static sometimes and long lasting that is seems impossible that I am not breathing. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Maharish's beautiful comment on Mahalakshmi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: forwarded message attached. This is Maharishi's beautiful comment on Mahalakshmi...very timely for this auspicious occasion...DIVALI day Is this Divali Day? I felt her presence when I woke up and when I looked in the mirror I looked softer and more vibrant than I have looked in months, like she was with me. I love Mahalakshmi. If there is nothing else, Mahalaksmi is always there for us. It is the only thing that has made me want to become a devotee of anyone or anything. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. The next development was metastudies which showed that, according to global measures, TM produced a state of rest twice as deep as deep sleep. The claim was the same, but no longer based on a starkly simple, irrefutable measurement. Now it was teased out of the statistics. The whole thing was smoothed over within a few months. L B S ** Mebbe so, but what TMer has not experienced the lessening of breath (which subsumes lessening of oxygen consumption), so it's a just a measurement problem -- it's not false that oxygen consumption is significantly lower in TM. @@@ Exactly, Bobananda. However, it would be indistinguishably lower than if you were just sitting with eyes closed. L B S I have never in my life had anything like the experience of breath suspension that I get from TM, by just sitting with my eyes closed. The two are ENTIRELY different states of physiology, and if someone measures me when I am in that state of breath suspension they will wonder how my body is maintianed. There are yogi's who can sustain it for days, with VERY low oxygen consumption. Mine is unstable and I cannot cause it at will, but it is the same thing in lesser form. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. The next development was metastudies which showed that, according to global measures, TM produced a state of rest twice as deep as deep sleep. The claim was the same, but no longer based on a starkly simple, irrefutable measurement. Now it was teased out of the statistics. The whole thing was smoothed over within a few months. L B S Except that Kesterson's finding was based on examining the physiology of people inthe breath suspension state because the assumption was that O2 consumption was driving the reduction in O2. It wasn't. That was NOT smoothed over, and Keith Wallace's book formally acknowledges that the early studies were flawed in that regard. What I mean't to say was this once again speaks to the attempt at integrity on the part of TM researchers despite intense bigotry from others. Bigotry is ugliness. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM website, like Peter Sutphen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM website, like Peter Sutphen, has passed away? Er, no? http://www.mum.edu/ It don't work. The page cannot be displayed message Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Mebbe so, but what TMer has not experienced the lessening of breath (which subsumes lessening of oxygen consumption), so it's a just a measurement problem -- it's not false that oxygen consumption is significantly lower in TM. @@@ Exactly, Bobananda. However, it would be indistinguishably lower than if you were just sitting with eyes closed. L B S I have never in my life had anything like the experience of breath suspension that I get from TM, by just sitting with my eyes closed. The two are ENTIRELY different states of physiology, and if someone measures me when I am in that state of breath suspension they will wonder how my body is maintianed. There are yogi's who can sustain it for days, with VERY low oxygen consumption. Mine is unstable and I cannot cause it at will, but it is the same thing in lesser form. OffWorld You may be correct in this. My response to Bobananda was a sweeping overgeneralization in that I was only referring to the average readings. Breath suspension may be unique to meditation. I can't speak to this definitively because I don't know if there is research on the possibility or extent of breath suspension among those who just sit quietly with eyes closed. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Definition of a Libertarian
A conservative who likes porn (Triumph the Insult Dog) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Oldies but goldies : deplorable powerlessness of sound?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said. Like the person who posted the comment, It's raining. There is no It that is raining. Just, raining. It appears that there is an inner subject or I, because consciousness projects into and assumes the boundaries of mind, and to a lessor extent, the body. So you end up with I am having experience X but there is no I having or not having anything. There is only X. The I is not consciousness, but a delusion of subjectivity. Consciousness has no boundary; it is no-thing. Ramana's inquiry can bring this realization home very quickly. Try to find I. You'll find a very abstract felt-sense of an I or me. But who is aware of that? It'll become clear that this I is only a thought. Then it would appear that Ramana did not have the full experience, only a superficial one, true though his conclusions are. The true experience is not so subtle. It is an awe inspiring bright homogenous energy that hums powerfully just below the surface and explodes into this dimension when the mind reaches it. It is unbounded, VERY powerful, even scary, but the body that is experiencing immediately knows that this Self cannot be wetted, nor burned, nor dried up, nor killed. It is who we are. It is the Universe. It is awe-inspiring and we cannot begin to imagine what power it holds and how it can express itself in such a limited world. This world does not seem strong enough for it to fully blossom. It would annihilate this plane if it were completely shining forth. The body could barely remain should such a power show its true face in this universe. This is my experience. It is the all-powerful non-me that is me, bright and powerful like the sun, only not centered in one place. It is the One. OffWorld Nice! It is the very diversity of the world that keeps this power fully blossoming. All of the gunas and their various combinations express the fully blossoming force of Oneness. Every fragment, every wholeness, indivisible and diverse, infinity in every point and particle, every shadow and shape, every thought and all of silence, whether of darkness or light, reflects this and that awesome power, of Oneness. Interesting, yes I could see how that would work. My experiences are so powerful it would seem good for the world for it not to come forth in full force, as this plane would be annihilated. But I can see how ever-increasing diversity can absorb its force in almost ininitely incremental and nanosecond steps. Unfolding infinitely, just like Maharishi describes. As long as it keeps creating like that across the whole universe and expanding the universe I could see how it can create. Amazing thought. Thankyou. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Mebbe so, but what TMer has not experienced the lessening of breath (which subsumes lessening of oxygen consumption), so it's a just a measurement problem -- it's not false that oxygen consumption is significantly lower in TM. @@@ Exactly, Bobananda. However, it would be indistinguishably lower than if you were just sitting with eyes closed. L B S I have never in my life had anything like the experience of breath suspension that I get from TM, by just sitting with my eyes closed. The two are ENTIRELY different states of physiology, and if someone measures me when I am in that state of breath suspension they will wonder how my body is maintianed. There are yogi's who can sustain it for days, with VERY low oxygen consumption. Mine is unstable and I cannot cause it at will, but it is the same thing in lesser form. OffWorld You may be correct in this. My response to Bobananda was a sweeping overgeneralization in that I was only referring to the average readings. Breath suspension may be unique to meditation. I can't speak to this definitively because I don't know if there is research on the possibility or extent of breath suspension among those who just sit quietly with eyes closed. L B S True. Point taken. Well said. I have done one study. Unpublished as yet. For my whole life growing up as a child and an adult I have never experienced breath suspension whilst sitting or lying with my eyes closed. However in the last few years only (not when I first learned TM, or for many years after) I have experienced my breathing stopping for prolonged periods without any recovery necessary. I sometimes think I must be about to die. But then breathing starts again gently. This is my one case study of sitting with eyes closed, compared to TM lractice or transcending associated with TM. Anyone else had this? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you see a flower, who is seeing the flower? That was basically my question. Your answer would probably be that in your case the Universal Self is seeing the flower, because you are enlightened. But I understand also the Universal Self to be a subject, I, who sees the flower. My (purely intellectual) understanding is that in Unity consciousness, there is no distinction between the flower, the process of seeing the flower, and that which sees the flower. The way you express Unity consciousness could be also understood this way: In unity consciousness the differentiation between the flower, the process of seeing the flower and that which sees the flower is not there and possible. What a mess. That is the reality of a new born baby. In a brahmin endowed with learning and humility, in a cow, in an elephant, in a dog and even in one who has lost his caste, the enlightened perceive the same. Bhagavad-Gita, V:18 MMY comments, in part: The mind of the realized man is fully infused with the state of Being--the oneness of life--and such a mind naturally has oneness of vision irrespective of what it sees. The apparent distinctions of relative existence fail to create division in its view. This does not mean that such a man fails to see a cow or is unable to distinguish it from a dog. Certainly he sees a cow as a cow and a dog as a dog, but the form of the cow and the form of the dog fail to blind him to the oneness of the Self, which is the same in both. Although he sees a cow and a dog, his Self is established in the Being of the cow and the Being of the dog, which is his own Being. The Lord stresses that the enlightened man, while beholding and acting in the whole of diversified creation, does not fall from his steadfast Unity of life, with which his mind is saturated and which remains indelibly infused into his vision. In other words, the enlightened person (presumably in Unity) sees both distinction and nondistinction, but the Unity of the person's state extends even to the distinction between distinction and nondistinction, i.e., distinction and nondistinction are not different. I would describe Unity consciousness like this: In Unity consciousness it is seen and felt that the one who sees, the process of seeing and the seen are not independent and separate processes or entities from each other. Nor is that which sees and feels that they are not independent and separate from the seeing and feeling thereof. Nor is that which sees and feels that it is not independent and separate from the seeing and feeling that they are not independent and separate... In other words, it's an infinite regress. But that's what Self-reference looks like under the influence of the mistake of the intellect, and why Unity consciousness cannot be accurately described in terms that make sense to the intellect. The more closely you analyze the words used in the description (any description), the more confusing and paradoxical they become. However, it can be useful to confront that confusion, because the more the intellect has to deal with its inadequacy to penetrate the mystery, the closer it is brought to the point where it is going to have to give up entirely (but also the more strenuously it fights giving up). My opinion: A concept that you cannot define shouldn't be used at all untill you can define it. The quote from Bhagavad Gita is fine: In a brahmin endowed with learning and humility, in a cow, in an elephant, in a dog and even in one who has lost his caste, the enlightened perceive the same. Bhagavad-Gita, V:18 It describes something quite different than the statement: In Unity consciousness, there is no distinction between the flower, the process of seeing the flower, and that which sees the flower. The former states only that one sees the same Self in all humans and animals. The Self as subject seeing the Self as object. But it doesn't say that the body of the cow is not seen as distinct of the seer's body. And in that way the Bhagavad-Gita description is a good one. The one I understand to correspond to enlightened reality. The acid test is how this realization gets translated to one's lived reality. In MMY:s case not too well. He claims he doesn't cater for the poor. Who are the poor, who are distinct from himself. Why is he collecting big property from more distant expressions of himself to the very local physical entities as his family and his aging individual person. His behaviour confirms, if we anticipate him to live
Re: [FairfieldLife] Familiar names?
on 10/31/05 12:36 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Hoffman, John (now Yehudah) and I are still good friends. He no longer meditates and is a devout Jew, living in Boca Raton, FL. Has three kids. Now going through a divorce. Harry Pavelka, Married, working for MUM Anthony Antimuro On Purusha Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Bird Flu, was: Florida News
on 10/31/05 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. You don't think the bird flu thing is a real threat? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Run from your houses
on 10/31/05 7:17 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry but my transcription notes and audio tape of that meeting along with everything else in my life were destroyed completely in the fire. For a moment I missed the subtle joke and was going to ask when you had had a fire. You mean the fire that occurred because you didn't run from your house and build a SV one. ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In other words, it's an infinite regress. But that's what Self-reference looks like under the influence of the mistake of the intellect, and why Unity consciousness cannot be accurately described in terms that make sense to the intellect. The more closely you analyze the words used in the description (any description), the more confusing and paradoxical they become. However, it can be useful to confront that confusion, because the more the intellect has to deal with its inadequacy to penetrate the mystery, the closer it is brought to the point where it is going to have to give up entirely (but also the more strenuously it fights giving up). Excellent post. The mind can't go where there is no mind. A conceptual mess is created if UC is understood from the phenomenological reality of waking state. Primarily it, enlightenment, is misunderstood as an experience that I have. Remember the book, Flatland ? I read it in a 10th grade physics class and it blew my mind because it helps, metaphorically, to understand epistemological limits that the mind is necessarily unaware of. Yeah, I think Flatland may have been my introduction as well to the concept that the intellect has its limits, and to the *nature* of those limits (as you say, metaphorically, but it's not difficult to apply the metaphor, once you've internalized it, to various even more expansive situations than spatial dimensions, including quantum mechanics and states of consciousness). Some fortunate folks are able to just dump the intellect; others, like moi, have to fight it to the death using the intellect as a weapon against itself (thorn to remove a thorn). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM website, like Peter Sutphen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM website, like Peter Sutphen, has passed away? Er, no? http://www.mum.edu/ It don't work. The page cannot be displayed message Do you need to empty your browser chache, maybe? Sometimes that helps for me when I get that message. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you see a flower, who is seeing the flower? That was basically my question. Your answer would probably be that in your case the Universal Self is seeing the flower, because you are enlightened. But I understand also the Universal Self to be a subject, I, who sees the flower. My (purely intellectual) understanding is that in Unity consciousness, there is no distinction between the flower, the process of seeing the flower, and that which sees the flower. The way you express Unity consciousness could be also understood this way: In unity consciousness the differentiation between the flower, the process of seeing the flower and that which sees the flower is not there and possible. What a mess. That is the reality of a new born baby. In a brahmin endowed with learning and humility, in a cow, in an elephant, in a dog and even in one who has lost his caste, the enlightened perceive the same. Bhagavad-Gita, V:18 MMY comments, in part: The mind of the realized man is fully infused with the state of Being--the oneness of life--and such a mind naturally has oneness of vision irrespective of what it sees. The apparent distinctions of relative existence fail to create division in its view. This does not mean that such a man fails to see a cow or is unable to distinguish it from a dog. Certainly he sees a cow as a cow and a dog as a dog, but the form of the cow and the form of the dog fail to blind him to the oneness of the Self, which is the same in both. Although he sees a cow and a dog, his Self is established in the Being of the cow and the Being of the dog, which is his own Being. The Lord stresses that the enlightened man, while beholding and acting in the whole of diversified creation, does not fall from his steadfast Unity of life, with which his mind is saturated and which remains indelibly infused into his vision. In other words, the enlightened person (presumably in Unity) sees both distinction and nondistinction, but the Unity of the person's state extends even to the distinction between distinction and nondistinction, i.e., distinction and nondistinction are not different. I would describe Unity consciousness like this: In Unity consciousness it is seen and felt that the one who sees, the process of seeing and the seen are not independent and separate processes or entities from each other. Nor is that which sees and feels that they are not independent and separate from the seeing and feeling thereof. Nor is that which sees and feels that it is not independent and separate from the seeing and feeling that they are not independent and separate... In other words, it's an infinite regress. But that's what Self-reference looks like under the influence of the mistake of the intellect, and why Unity consciousness cannot be accurately described in terms that make sense to the intellect. The more closely you analyze the words used in the description (any description), the more confusing and paradoxical they become. However, it can be useful to confront that confusion, because the more the intellect has to deal with its inadequacy to penetrate the mystery, the closer it is brought to the point where it is going to have to give up entirely (but also the more strenuously it fights giving up). My opinion: A concept that you cannot define shouldn't be used at all untill you can define it. And mine is that enlightenment *cannot be* defined as a concept. The quote from Bhagavad Gita is fine: In a brahmin endowed with learning and humility, in a cow, in an elephant, in a dog and even in one who has lost his caste, the enlightened perceive the same. Bhagavad-Gita, V:18 It describes something quite different than the statement: In Unity consciousness, there is no distinction between the flower, the process of seeing the flower, and that which sees the flower. Uh, right. My point was what MMY says in his commentary about being able to distinguish a dog from a cow despite there being no distinctions (paradoxically), in response to your comment that my original statement described the condition of a newborn. The baby's state is what Ken Wilber calls prerational, whereas the state of one in unity he calls transrational. Not the same at all. Obviously my statement described only the nondistinction aspect; MMY's commentary supplies
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM website, like Peter Sutphen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM website, like Peter Sutphen, has passed away? Er, no? http://www.mum.edu/ It don't work. The page cannot be displayed message Not for me; it loads with no problem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bird Flu, was: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/31/05 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. You don't think the bird flu thing is a real threat? At least one person is coming forth saying it is nothing more than a) a plan to keep the fear going b) moneymaking for the same ol' people http://www.mercola.com/2005/oct/25/avian_flu_epidemic_is_a_hoax.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bird Flu, was: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/31/05 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. You don't think the bird flu thing is a real threat? Rumsfeld To Profit From Avian Flu Hoax Finally, the pieces of the puzzle start to add up. Last week, President Bush sought to instill panic in this country by telling us a minimum of 200,000 people will die from the avian flu pandemic but it could be as bad as 2 million deaths in this country alone. This hoax is then used to justify the immediate purchase of 80 million doses of Tamiflu, a worthless drug that in no way shape or form treats the avian flu, but only decreases the amount of days one is sick and can actually contribute to the virus having more lethal mutations. So the U.S. placed an order for 20 million doses of this worthless drug at a price of $100 per dose. That comes to a staggering $2 billion. We are being told that Roche manufactures Tamiflu and, in yesterday's New York Times, they were battling whether or not they would allow generic drug companies to help increase their production. But if you dig further you will find that a drug was actually developed by a company called Gilead that 10 years ago gave Roche the exclusive rights to market and sell Tamiflu. Ahh, The Plot Thickens... If you read the link below from Gilead, you'll discover Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was made the chairman of Gilead in 1997. Since Rumsfeld holds major portions of stock in Gilead, he will handsomely profit from the scare tactics of the government that is being used to justify the purchase of $2 billion of Tamiflu. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice! It is the very diversity of the world that keeps this power fully blossoming. All of the gunas and their various combinations express the fully blossoming force of Oneness. Every fragment, every wholeness, indivisible and diverse, infinity in every point and particle, every shadow and shape, every thought and all of silence, whether of darkness or light, reflects this and that awesome power, of Oneness. Interesting, yes I could see how that would work. My experiences are so powerful it would seem good for the world for it not to come forth in full force, as this plane would be annihilated. But I can see how ever-increasing diversity can absorb its force in almost ininitely incremental and nanosecond steps. Unfolding infinitely, just like Maharishi describes. As long as it keeps creating like that across the whole universe and expanding the universe I could see how it can create. Amazing thought. Thankyou. OffWorld Yes, it is an infinitely powerful momentum that continues to unfold in its infinite diversity into infinite whole universes, plural. Your experiences sound wonderful by the way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the enlightened person (presumably in Unity) sees both distinction and nondistinction, but the Unity of the person's state extends even to the distinction between distinction and nondistinction, i.e., distinction and nondistinction are not different. Exactly so. A valid piece of the puzzle...only it is the reality of Brahman, not Unity, that you are describing. Or put more accurately, Unity glimpses Brahman momentarily. Unity is a speck of Brahman. Describing our subjective perception, Unity is a drop in the ocean of Brahman. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi School Enrollment Down
I wonder which will inflict more harm -- the swearing and the porn or the over- protective mother? I suspect it will be the latter. I well remember the very first piece of porn I ever bought. It was Penthouse. I even remember the name of the centerfold. Brandy. She was unspeakably delicious in every way, quite unlike her successors of today who for the most part seem to have stepped out of a gynacological textbook -- the section marked naming of the parts. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine took her full-paying son out of MSAE because a lot of his classmates were into swearing, looking at porn, etc. He's been doing home schooling since. What's wrong with looking at some fucking tits? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bird Flu, was: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/31/05 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. You don't think the bird flu thing is a real threat? It might become one, but it is being hyped by the media to inspire fear. The fear is not justified by the current state of the disease, but is being exploited because it money for the media. Bad news sells. The badder the news, the more fear it inspires, the more money you make. Simple as that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bird Flu, was: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/31/05 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. You don't think the bird flu thing is a real threat? At least one person is coming forth saying it is nothing more than a) a plan to keep the fear going b) moneymaking for the same ol' people http://www.mercola.com/2005/oct/25/avian_flu_epidemic_is_a_hoax.htm He makes a few good points, but he misses (I can't believe it's inadvertent) the *main* point, which is the threat that the bird flu virus will mutate to human-to-human transmission. A virus that is passed from birds to humans is not a major threat; one that passes from humans to humans, against which humans do not have immunity, is a potential global disaster--not just from the illness itself but from the large-scale breakdowns of essential services and even international order that are likely to occur as a result. Independent epidemology and infectious disease experts generally agree that the likelihood of mutation to human-to-human transmission is high. Everything else is just speculation at this point: when it will happen, how virulent and lethal the mutated virus will be. But not to prepare for the worst-case scenario is a little like telling a heavy smoker that he doesn't need to quit because it's possible he won't get lung cancer. Moreover, even if this particular strain of avian flu doesn't mutate into a real killer, there are plenty of other animal diseases which could also mutate at some point and cause a pandemic. The experts say it's not a matter of if but when. (These experts, by the way, are not all employed by companies that make vaccines and antiviral medications, nor are they all employed by the government or the media. There's good reason to think the government *does* want us to be afraid, and the pharma companies *do* want to sell lots of drugs, and the media *do* want to attract maximum eyeballs--but this does NOT mean there is no threat. It simply means the drug companies and the government and the media are opportunists who aim to take advantage of the threat to advance their own goals.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi School Enrollment Down
My first porn was in 6th grade (about 1965-66). Some
kid brought a magazine to school filled with close-ups
of vaginas. It absolutely blew my mind! Needless to
say I've been ruined ever since.
--- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder which will inflict more harm -- the
swearing and the porn or the over-
protective mother? I suspect it will be the latter.
I well remember the very first
piece of porn I ever bought. It was Penthouse. I
even remember the name of
the centerfold. Brandy. She was unspeakably
delicious in every way, quite
unlike her successors of today who for the most part
seem to have stepped
out of a gynacological textbook -- the section
marked naming of the parts.
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
A friend of mine took her full-paying son out of
MSAE because a lot of his
classmates were into swearing, looking at porn,
etc.
He's been doing home
schooling since.
What's wrong with looking at some fucking tits?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion: A concept that you cannot define shouldn't be used at all untill you can define it. Of course, I agree. The problem comes in when the concepts one is attempting to define entail experiences outside of the waking state mind. If these experiences have not occured you're left with an empty concept. For example. MMY talks about pure consciousness as unbounded. For years my mind thought of unboundedness as spatially big. In enlightenment one would fill the cosmos. It's natural to think this because in our waking state experience boundaries cut space up into sections. Remove the boundaries and you have a really big space. I even had experiences of filling up the cosmos to varying degrees. But once the foundational shift occured from a self to a no-self, it became rather obvious what MMY was talking about when he says, unbounded, and it has nothing to do with space or time. Many of the enlightenment concepts that I thought I understood can only make true sense within their phenomenological domain/condition. In waking state they are empty and usually create confusion. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bird Flu, was: Florida News
Remember the duct tape and plastic sheets episode? Turns out the companies that make both those things donated heavily to Bush et al in the first campaign. On Oct 31, 2005, at 10:21 AM, anonymousff wrote: Since Rumsfeld holds major portions of stock in Gilead, he will handsomely profit from the scare tactics of the government that is being used to justify the purchase of $2 billion of Tamiflu.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
Some fortunate folks are able to just dump the intellect; others, like moi, have to fight it to the death using the intellect as a weapon against itself (thorn to remove a thorn). Big Wave surfing will cure you of this problem. http://tinyurl.com/bgmfh OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice! It is the very diversity of the world that keeps this power fully blossoming. All of the gunas and their various combinations express the fully blossoming force of Oneness. Every fragment, every wholeness, indivisible and diverse, infinity in every point and particle, every shadow and shape, every thought and all of silence, whether of darkness or light, reflects this and that awesome power, of Oneness. Interesting, yes I could see how that would work. My experiences are so powerful it would seem good for the world for it not to come forth in full force, as this plane would be annihilated. But I can see how ever-increasing diversity can absorb its force in almost ininitely incremental and nanosecond steps. Unfolding infinitely, just like Maharishi describes. As long as it keeps creating like that across the whole universe and expanding the universe I could see how it can create. Amazing thought. Thankyou. OffWorld Yes, it is an infinitely powerful momentum that continues to unfold in its infinite diversity into infinite whole universes, plural. Your experiences sound wonderful by the way. They are great, but a bit of a rollercoaster ride though. They are so strong that even in my greatest times of doubt, just the memory of them is enough to convince the intellect of the validity of the experience and the perception about the universe associated with it. No matter how hard my mind and body, and the world, tries to convince me that I am wrong in my assessment of the divine in the world, the experiences always are the foundation of my beliefs about the world. Nothing else can convince my intellect of these concepts. As I am sure this is the experience of many. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of a Libertarian
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A conservative who likes porn (Triumph the Insult Dog) I guess if Triumph didn't speak English with such a heavy Spanish(?) accent, he wouldn't be allowed to utter those often grave insults on TV. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bird Flu, was: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/31/05 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. You don't think the bird flu thing is a real threat? Rumsfeld To Profit From Avian Flu Hoax Finally, the pieces of the puzzle start to add up. Last week, President Bush sought to instill panic in this country by telling us a minimum of 200,000 people will die from the avian flu pandemic but it could be as bad as 2 million deaths in this country alone. This hoax is then used to justify the immediate purchase of 80 million doses of Tamiflu, a worthless drug that in no way shape or form treats the avian flu, but only decreases the amount of days one is sick and can actually contribute to the virus having more lethal mutations. So the U.S. placed an order for 20 million doses of this worthless drug at a price of $100 per dose. That comes to a staggering $2 billion. We are being told that Roche manufactures Tamiflu and, in yesterday's New York Times, they were battling whether or not they would allow generic drug companies to help increase their production. But if you dig further you will find that a drug was actually developed by a company called Gilead that 10 years ago gave Roche the exclusive rights to market and sell Tamiflu. Ahh, The Plot Thickens... If you read the link below from Gilead, you'll discover Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was made the chairman of Gilead in 1997. Since Rumsfeld holds major portions of stock in Gilead, he will handsomely profit from the scare tactics of the government that is being used to justify the purchase of $2 billion of Tamiflu. Yea, that conspiracy sounds so plausible. Lets see, how would that unfold. The cabinet is sitting around and Rummie says: Hey guys, its my turn to profit from some scam. I gave my Gilead stock to my private foundatation, but its now fighting to get the rights back for manufacturing Tamiflu. It may or may not be successful, and if it does, it may or may not make no more money from Tamiflu than by simply licencing it from Roche -- since Roche is offering that now. But hey, why don't you guys in Health and all stir up this big scar -- and then we can spend more money we don't have for nothing useful -- even tho we have a huge budget crunch, and even tho this would be a huge scandal if uncovered and would sink the administration and disgrace all of us eternally, and Gilead may or may not profit, so fucking what, because my foundation might then have some more money to spend on public service things. And somehow, that makes me happy -- even though with my existing 35-135 million that I have, I could just give more to the foundation if I want to do more foundation work, but what the hell, you guys have nothing better to do. So please guys do one for the Rummie. yea, that makes a lot of sense. Got any more good ones to run by us. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Definition of a Libertarian
shempmcgurk wrote: A conservative who likes porn (Triumph the Insult Dog) The political science definition of a Libertarian is someone who is socially liberal and economically conservative. Unless, of course, they are Aynn Rand Libertarians which in that case they are just plain nuts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly (PS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] ANd Keith has written about how things have changed since he first started doing researchon TM 35 years ago. And he did so LONG before Stephen Hawkings stated last year that his theory from the 1960's on black holes may be incorrect, and may not exist after all. This is a MUCH bigger flaw, and his whole career was built on it. He is still treated like God by physicists and laymen alike. ??? When did Hawkings say that black holes may not exist? He paid off a bet about a specific implication about black holes that he now says is wrong. Just about everyone in physics and astronomy is convinced that black holes exist. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Which have nothing to do with O2 consumption, since Kesterson published his research... Maybe because nobody really cares about O2 consumption, but they do care about hypertension and heart disease strategies, and behavioural modifications in felons. Sure, but those things are not based on O2 consumption. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your experiences sound wonderful by the way. They are great, but a bit of a rollercoaster ride though. They are so strong that even in my greatest times of doubt, just the memory of them is enough to convince the intellect of the validity of the experience and the perception about the universe associated with it. No matter how hard my mind and body, and the world, tries to convince me that I am wrong in my assessment of the divine in the world, the experiences always are the foundation of my beliefs about the world. Nothing else can convince my intellect of these concepts. As I am sure this is the experience of many. OffWorld Yep, nothing convinces us like experience. As to the rollercoaster ride, I found that I ended up in hindsight taking the appropriate steps to integrate the ride so to speak. My experience was that once my nervous system could support very powerful experiences -the flash- the next step was learnng to integrate such experience so that it served me as a normal part of daily life. Otherwise, what the hell? Now I am finding that the very mechanics of the universe itself are readily available, and a lot of fun merely as a result of noticing them. No longer any need to seek out or engage in the overly dramatic events. Or should I say the process is merely quieter now? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [...] I have never in my life had anything like the experience of breath suspension that I get from TM, by just sitting with my eyes closed. The two are ENTIRELY different states of physiology, and if someone measures me when I am in that state of breath suspension they will wonder how my body is maintianed. There are yogi's who can sustain it for days, with VERY low oxygen consumption. Mine is unstable and I cannot cause it at will, but it is the same thing in lesser form. At least in TM, breath suspension is not associated with O2 consumption. There are Buddhist techniques that can drastically lower O2 consumption, but I don't know if that is correlated with samadhi directly or not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some fortunate folks are able to just dump the intellect; others, like moi, have to fight it to the death using the intellect as a weapon against itself (thorn to remove a thorn). Big Wave surfing will cure you of this problem. http://tinyurl.com/bgmfh If I'm not mistaken, this is the famous photo of Laird Hamilton in the tube of the biggest wave ever ridden. Big wave surfing is amazing. The waves are SO big that you cannot possibly paddle fast enough to catch one. So the surfer works with a team of support people on Ski-doos. One of the Ski-doos drags the surfer behind him so that he can catch the wave, and then that Ski-doo rider and up to three more wait to rush to help the surfer once he's wiped out. You always wipe out when riding giants, and if someone isn't there to fish you out, you die. It's not a sport for the timid. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Mebbe so, but what TMer has not experienced the lessening of breath (which subsumes lessening of oxygen consumption), so it's a just a measurement problem -- it's not false that oxygen consumption is significantly lower in TM. @@@ Exactly, Bobananda. However, it would be indistinguishably lower than if you were just sitting with eyes closed. L B S I have never in my life had anything like the experience of breath suspension that I get from TM, by just sitting with my eyes closed. The two are ENTIRELY different states of physiology, and if someone measures me when I am in that state of breath suspension they will wonder how my body is maintianed. There are yogi's who can sustain it for days, with VERY low oxygen consumption. Mine is unstable and I cannot cause it at will, but it is the same thing in lesser form. OffWorld You may be correct in this. My response to Bobananda was a sweeping overgeneralization in that I was only referring to the average readings. Breath suspension may be unique to meditation. I can't speak to this definitively because I don't know if there is research on the possibility or extent of breath suspension among those who just sit quietly with eyes closed. It can happen with people just sitting quietly, but not for very long. Amongst people meditating, it isn't noticed unless it lasts for more than a few seconds. ONe assumes that that is the case for non- meditators also. BTW, the researchers were not looking for people reporting breath suspension and no-one said to them oh, I stopped breathing. They were asking for subjects who were having clear experiences of transcending and the breath suspension state was the most obvious thing correlated with reports of transcending. I'm also wondering at people on FFL who are reporting breath suspension during TM since one of the things that the researchers noticed was that the EEG, breathing, etc., returned to normal for several seconds before pressing the button to signal that they noted transcending. IOW, they didn't notice samadhi until they were no longer in samadhi. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM website, like Peter Sutphen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM website, like Peter Sutphen, has passed away? Er, no? http://www.mum.edu/ It don't work. The page cannot be displayed message Your web-browser appearsto be incompatible with the MUM website. Works with 3 different webbrowsers on two different OS's for me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [...] The nature of the smoothing over had to do with finding a justification for maintaining the twice as deep as sleep epithet. As I mentioned above, this concept has been retained, but on the basis of metastudies, not on the basis of a single measure as previously. L B S The concept has been defunct for years. Find mention of O2 consumption in any current research or any current talking points scientific charts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But what I was trying to get at was your previous statement about it being necessary to posit an I that sees the flower, even in enlightenment. If you try to go at it that way in describing enlightenment, you run into the problem Peter described of using a lower-order tool to portray a higher-order state. Very clearly I don't share your enlightenment. I cannot miss it either. I am happy, experience bliss 24 hours a day, feel I'm learning and evolving and my health has become much better and I feel I'm also capable of helping others to evolve. There is nothing more I could dream from life. There is only one intellectual problem here: There are many people who are claimed to be enlightened. They also clearly can have many kinds of character problems: be narsissists,need constant adulation by followers etc.What is so special about that kind of enlightenmet. Can these narsissistic or even other enlightened people help really fellow humans prosper better in the world? I have no clear observation of that. I have seen that responsible, nonmanipulative compassionate ordinary people can do a lot to help their fellow humans to get over their problems. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
On Oct 31, 2005, at 1:08 PM, Peter wrote:MMY talks about pure consciousness as unbounded. For years my mind thought of unboundedness as spatially big. In enlightenment one would "fill the cosmos". It's natural to think this because in our waking state experience boundaries cut space up into sections. Remove the boundaries and you have a really big space. I even had experiences of filling up the cosmos to varying degrees. But once the foundational shift occured from a self to a no-self, it became rather obvious what MMY was talking about when he says, "unbounded", and it has nothing to do with space or time. Lamas will often propose the paradoxical proposition "not seeing is perfect seeing" as a dualistic way of getting people to jump into unboundedness. Paradoxical if it has not been experienced, but simply "unbounded" and unencumbered if you do. No big deal. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion: A concept that you cannot define shouldn't be used at all untill you can define it. Of course, I agree. The problem comes in when the concepts one is attempting to define entail experiences outside of the waking state mind. If these experiences have not occured you're left with an empty concept. For example. MMY talks about pure consciousness as unbounded. For years my mind thought of unboundedness as spatially big. In enlightenment one would fill the cosmos. It's natural to think this because in our waking state experience boundaries cut space up into sections. Remove the boundaries and you have a really big space. I even had experiences of filling up the cosmos to varying degrees. But once the foundational shift occured from a self to a no-self, it became rather obvious what MMY was talking about when he says, unbounded, and it has nothing to do with space or time. Many of the enlightenment concepts that I thought I understood can only make true sense within their phenomenological domain/condition. In waking state they are empty and usually create confusion. * Clearly it is futile to discuss these issues with you. With my waking state reality I just cannot comprehend you. Just bits and pieces, but the whole picture doesn't cohere. I'm fully happy with my waking state reality. I couldn't handle more just know. And if you are happy with your enlightenment, so what's the problem. Maybe the only problem is that I feel you cannot understand what I'm trying to communicate and I cannot understand what you are saying. And that is a pity, because it is a joy when you can share something you feel is important with somebody else. But between us there is clearly a wall, and it is stupid to go on hitting your head against the wall in trying to get through. Although that is really not that bad, because we both have many other people we can satisfyingly share our thoughts with. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] US Constitution
Another question from a friend: a few years ago Hagelin gave a commencement speech at MSAE about how corrupt the u.s. constitution is - do you or anyone remember that speech? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Deepavali Day Tuesday Nov.1st.
Jaya Guru Datta Tuesday New Moon day is Deepavali, The day of Festival of Lights. Below is a discourse from Swami Sivananda regarding its history. Sri Guru Datta Hanuman DEEPAVALI By SRI SWAMI SIVANANDA DEEPAVALI or Diwali means a row of lights. It falls on the last two days of the dark half of Kartik (October-November). For some it is a three-day festival. It commences with the Dhan-Teras, on the 13th day of the dark half of Kartik, followed the next day by the Narak Chaudas, the 14th day, and by Deepavali proper on the 15th day. There are various alleged origins attributed to this festival. Some hold that they celebrate the marriage of Lakshmi with Lord Vishnu. In Bengal the festival is dedicated to the worship of Kali. It also commemorates that blessed day on which the triumphant Lord Rama returned to Ayodhya after defeating Ravana. On this day also Sri Krishna killed the demon Narakasura. In South India people take an oil bath in the morning and wear new clothes. They partake of sweetmeats. They light fireworks which are regarded as the effigies of Narakasura who was killed on this day. They greet one another, asking, Have you had your Ganges bath? which actually refers to the oil bath that morning as it is regarded as purifying as a bath in the holy Ganges. Everyone forgets and forgives the wrongs done by others. There is an air of freedom, festivity and friendliness everywhere. This festival brings about unity. It instils charity in the hearts of people. Everyone buys new clothes for the family. Employers, too, purchase new clothes for their employees. Waking up during the Brahmamuhurta (at 4a.m.) is a great blessing from the standpoint of health, ethical discipline, efficiency in work and spiritual advancement. It is on Deepavali that everyone wakes up early in the morning. The sages who instituted this custom must have cherished the hope that their descendents would realise its benefits and make it a regular habit in their lives. In a happy mood of great rejoicing village folk move about freely, mixing with one another without any reserve, all enmity being forgotten. People embrace one another with love. Deepavali is a great unifying force. Those with keen inner spiritual ears will clearly hear the voice of the sages, O Children of God! unite, and love all. The vibrations produced by the greetings of love which fill the atmosphere are powerful enough to bring about a change of heart in every man and woman in the world. Alas! That heart has considerably hardened, and only a continuous celebration of Deepavali in our homes can rekindle in us the urgent need of turning away from the ruinous path of hatred. On this day Hindu merchants in North India open their new account books and pray for success and prosperity during the coming year. The homes are cleaned and decorated by day and illuminated by night with earthern oil-lamps. The best and finest illuminations are to be seen in Bombay and Amritsar. The famous Golden Temple at Amritsar is lit in the evening with thousands of lamps placed all over the steps of the big tank. Vaishnavites celebrate the Govardhan Puja and feed the poor on a large scale. O Ram! The light of lights, the self-luminous inner light of the Self is ever shining steadily in the chamber of your heart. Sit quietly. Close your eyes. Withdraw the senses. Fix the mind on this supreme light and enjoy the real Deepavali, by attaining illumination of the soul. He who Himself sees all but whom no one beholds, who illumines the intellect, the sun, the moon and the stars and the whole universe but whom they cannot illumine, He indeed is Brahman, He is the inner Self. Celebrate the real Deepavali by living in Brahman, and enjoy the eternal bliss of the soul. The sun does not shine there, nor do the moon and the stars, nor do lightnings shine and much less fire. All the lights of the world cannot be compared even to a ray of the inner light of the Self. Merge yourself in this light of lights and enjoy the supreme Deepavali. Many Deepavali festivals have come and gone. Yet the hearts of the vast majority are as dark as the night of the new moon. The house is lit with lamps, but the heart is full of the darkness of ignorance. O man! wake up from the slumber of ignorance. Realise the constant and eternal light of the Soul which neither rises nor sets, through meditation and deep enquiry. May you all attain full inner illumination! May the supreme light of lights enlighten your understanding! May you all attain the inexhaustible spiritual wealth of the Self! May you all prosper gloriously on the material as well as spiritual planes! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Mebbe so, but what TMer has not experienced the lessening of breath (which subsumes lessening of oxygen consumption), so it's a just a measurement problem -- it's not false that oxygen consumption is significantly lower in TM. @@@ Exactly, Bobananda. However, it would be indistinguishably lower than if you were just sitting with eyes closed. L B S I have never in my life had anything like the experience of breath suspension that I get from TM, by just sitting with my eyes closed. The two are ENTIRELY different states of physiology, and if someone measures me when I am in that state of breath suspension they will wonder how my body is maintianed. There are yogi's who can sustain it for days, with VERY low oxygen consumption. Mine is unstable and I cannot cause it at will, but it is the same thing in lesser form. OffWorld You may be correct in this. My response to Bobananda was a sweeping overgeneralization in that I was only referring to the average readings. Breath suspension may be unique to meditation. I can't speak to this definitively because I don't know if there is research on the possibility or extent of breath suspension among those who just sit quietly with eyes closed. L B S Congratulations and thanks to Professor Gordon C S Smith, Jill P Pell, of Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Cambridge University, Department of Public Health, Greater Glasgow NHS Board respectively for conducting a systematic review of randomised controlled trials to determine whether parachutes are effective in preventing major trauma related to gravitational challenge. They were unable to identify any randomised controlled trials of parachutes and concluded that, like many interventions used in medicine, parachutes had not been as rigorously evaluated as required by evidence-based medicine. Advocates of evidence-based medicine have criticised the adoption of interventions evaluated by using only observational data. The authors suggest that everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence-based medicine organised and participated in a double blind, randomised, placebo controlled, crossover trial of the parachute. This would presumably require them all to jump, more than once, from an aeroplane with a harness on their backs not knowing if it contained a real parachute or a dummy one. (For the original paper see www.bvmjjournal.com http://www.bvmjjournal.com and search on parachute). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
In other words, Sri. Stein, It is possible for MMY to see underlying unity and yet differentiate between other disciples and the Beatles, and the Swiss-Bank account.?? ---OriginalMessage-- From: "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:42:08 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self In a brahmin endowed with learning and humility, in a cow, in an elephant, in a dog and even in one who has lost his caste, the enlightened perceive the same. Bhagavad-Gita, V:18 MMY comments, in part: "The mind of the realized man is fully infused with the state of Being--the oneness of life--and such a mind naturally has oneness of vision irrespective of what it sees. The apparent distinctions of relative existence fail to create division in its view. "This does not mean that such a man fails to see a cow or is unable to distinguish it from a dog. Certainly he sees a cow as a cow and a dog as a dog, but the form of the cow and the form of the dog fail to blind him to the oneness of the Self, which is the same in both. Although he sees a cow and a dog, his Self is established in the Being of the cow and the Being of the dog, which is his own Being. The Lord stresses that the enlightened man, while beholding and acting in the whole of diversified creation, does not fall from his steadfast Unity of life, with which his mind is saturated and which remains indelibly infused into his vision." In other words, the enlightened person (presumably in Unity) sees both distinction and nondistinction, but the Unity of the person's state extends even to the distinction between distinction and nondistinction, i.e., distinction and nondistinction are not different. My (purely intellectual) understanding is that in Unity consciousness, there is no distinction between the flower, the process of seeing the flower, and that which sees the flower. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Maha Lakshmi...A Devotional take on Her story.
Jaya Guru Datta The following is taken from a report and a 1996 Navaratri discourse by Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji. Today Mother Goddess Durga Parameshwari is in the form of Lalitha Parameswari and Aadi Lakshmi forms. Normally 'Lakshmi' will mean Lord Vishnu's Consort. But today's form is not Vishnu's consort but She is Durgilakshmi-'Amsa' of Durga/Chandika. She has worn Lord Shiva as jewel. Shiva has worn 'Ganga' as jewel on His head. Keeping 'Nagabharana' (serpent-like jewel) on Her head, She had invoked Shiva in that crest-jewel of Nagabharana. Today's Lakshmi is the deity Who reside in Kolhapura, in the state of Maharashtra. This Goddess Durgalakshmi has created holy places around Her city and installing Herself in the middle, is gracefully blessing the people. The story which Sri Swamiji is going to narrate happened in one of the age-old yuga and today's method of worship pertain to this story. Mother Goddess in Her Durgi form took the form of Adi Parashakti, exposing her 'sowmya roopa' (peaceful form) has attracted Maharshis including Lord Dattatreya. Who is Durgi Lakshmi? Mahalakshmi in Kolhapura is Herself Durgilakshmi. All the Devathas have installed 'yantras' there. Since She has attracted Maharshis and Dattatreya, She is even called 'Lalitha Parameswari' and Rajarajewari. This Goddess, fulfiller of all wishes is the Durga/Mahalakshmi, the presiding deity of Kolhapur. Sri Swamiji recollects an incident here. Sri Swamiji along with some of the Ashramites/devotees had visited this place few months back and has performed Ksheerabhisheka to this Mahalakshmi. A miracle that took place was explained by Kuppa Krishnamurthy : In the year 1996,Sri Swamiji and devotees and Ashramites left in a bus and two cars to visit Pandaripura, Ganagapura, Kolhapura and some places in the state of Maharashtra, (these Kshetras created by Mother Goddess) Sri Kuppa Krishnamurthy was one of the devotees who accompanied Sri Swamiji during this tour. They visited this Mahalakshmi Temple in Kolhapur. By the time they reached the temple, the 'Abhisheka for Mother was over and they had decorated her with jewels and 'archana' was going on. According to the rules of the temple, no one was allowed inside the sanctum-sanctorum of the temple, be it a Minister, Prime-Minister or any other dignitories holding high position. When Swamiji stood for Darshan, the priests of that temple treated Swamiji like any other ordinary people. There was a heavy crowd due to arrival of a Governor and some dignitories. Because of the presence of Governor and other dignitaries, the head-priest (Pradhana Archaka) had come to perform special pooja. On seeing Sri Swamiji, this Head-priest went inside the sanctum-sanctorum and removing all the jewels that had already been decorated after the abhisheka and made arrangements for 'panchamrita ' keeping milk, curds, ghee, sugar, plantains etc. No one knew what happened but he, immediately prostrating to Sri Swamiji took Sri Swamiji inside the Sanctum-sanctorum. Sri Swamiji performed 'panchamrita abhisheka to the Goddess and decorated Himself the idol of the Mother. He called all the devotees and ashramites who had accompanied Him inside the sanctum-sanctorum to the amazement of everyone. He even tied the 'mangalya' to the idol. The priests and other people talked something in Marathi and they all came to Sri Swamiji requested Him to perform 'sankeertana' in the precincts of the temple. All elaborate arrangements for accommodating and providing food and other things for Sri Swamiji and the devotees were made immediately. The Sankeertana was performed by Sri Swamiji in the evening. There was a big crowd for the Sankeertana of Sri Swamiji and recognising the unique specialty in the concert people were very happy. This is the 'Aakarshana shakti' (attracting power) of Sri Swamiji. Sri Swamiji told Sri Kuppa Krishnamurthy that it was Dattatreya along with Lakshmi's 'Aakarshana'. The practice of the localities is that they keep 'panchamrita' as 'Naivedya' for Dattatreya. Sri Kuppa Krishnamurthy said that he was at a loss to understand whether it was Sri Swamiji who attracted Mother Lakshmi or Mother Lakshmi Herself seeing this Dattatreya (Our Swamiji) attracted Him and also blessed His shishyas (disciples) (i.e. ashramites and others who had accompanied Sri Swamiji), Sri Swamiji sang his new composition. Jaya Kolhapura Jagadamba, Jaya Mama Hrudaye Jagadamba Sri Swamiji explained the meaning briefly of the above song. The one who resided in Padmavathipura, brilliant/effulgent with the grandeur or the overflow of mercy - (Here compassion or 'Karuna', mercy is the grandeur of the Mother is the speciality. There is 'Dhanabala Vijrumbhana, 'Adhikarabala Vijrumbhana, Madabala vijrumbhana, santhanabala vijumbhana, rakshasabala vijrumbhana etc. But here, the mercy or compassion of the Mother is showered
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor.. The big question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? I quote an earlier earlier post of yours dr.Pete: The mind wants to have a story as a defense against experiences that contradict its primary story. Why have any story at all? MMY is a con artist; MMY is a great saint. He's both, he's neither, he's nothing. Why have any story/position at all. Does it matter? Attached, non-attached...just more stories. Dr. Pete why do you want to create this story. Enlightened or not enlightened, doesn't matter, just stories. In addition to that enlightenment is a very confusing concept, because it is understood in so many ways. I myself also understand it in many ways. In one end I see every living sentient being to be enlightened and at the other extreme no one qualifies. Why do you need to defend MMY hiding so strongly behind the story of enlightenment (100% true). Or maybe there is no I, who has an agenda to defend here. Words just lightly pop up from nowhere, there is no weight, no emotional stirring prompting YOU to write? Whom are YOU trying to delude here and why? Irmeli In all the pondering about MMY's sanity honesty etc I think the real question which underlies it is the effectiveness of the basic TM and the TM-Sidhis programs. There is certainly some thought that if MMY is a con man maybe he missrepresented thier effect. Or maybe The program/s are effective regardless of MMY's personality. This seems to be the big question at least in my mind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some fortunate folks are able to just dump the intellect; others, like moi, have to fight it to the death using the intellect as a weapon against itself (thorn to remove a thorn). Big Wave surfing will cure you of this problem. http://tinyurl.com/bgmfh If I'm not mistaken, this is the famous photo of Laird Hamilton in the tube of the biggest wave ever ridden. Big wave surfing is amazing. The waves are SO big that you cannot possibly paddle fast enough to catch one. So the surfer works with a team of support people on Ski-doos. One of the Ski-doos drags the surfer behind him so that he can catch the wave, and then that Ski-doo rider and up to three more wait to rush to help the surfer once he's wiped out. You always wipe out when riding giants, and if someone isn't there to fish you out, you die. It's not a sport for the timid. Have you seen Endless Summer Two? IMO best surfing movie ever made. Great cinematography and entertaining story. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But what I was trying to get at was your previous statement about it being necessary to posit an I that sees the flower, even in enlightenment. If you try to go at it that way in describing enlightenment, you run into the problem Peter described of using a lower-order tool to portray a higher-order state. Very clearly I don't share your enlightenment. I beg your pardon? When did I ever suggest I was enlightened? I cannot miss it either. I am happy, experience bliss 24 hours a day, feel I'm learning and evolving and my health has become much better and I feel I'm also capable of helping others to evolve. There is nothing more I could dream from life. There is only one intellectual problem here: There are many people who are claimed to be enlightened. They also clearly can have many kinds of character problems: be narsissists,need constant adulation by followers etc.What is so special about that kind of enlightenmet. Can these narsissistic or even other enlightened people help really fellow humans prosper better in the world? I have no clear observation of that. I have seen that responsible, nonmanipulative compassionate ordinary people can do a lot to help their fellow humans to get over their problems. I have no idea what you're blathering about here. I thought we were talking about the difficulty of describing enlightenment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a speech and Link, http://www.fuckthesouth.com ---OriginalMessage-- From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:31:41 -0600 Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Constitution Another question from a friend: a few years ago Hagelin gave a commencement speech at MSAE about how corrupt the u.s. constitution is - do you or anyone remember that speech? Wow! Hagelin needs to drink more vata tea! ;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a speech and Link, http://www.fuckthesouth.com ---OriginalMessage-- From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:31:41 -0600 Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Constitution Another question from a friend: a few years ago Hagelin gave a commencement speech at MSAE about how corrupt the u.s. constitution is - do you or anyone remember that speech? Wow! Hagelin needs to drink more vata tea! ;) It's hard to imagine how the Constitution could be portrayed as corrupt, since it's just a piece of paper. I wonder if he might have been saying the U.S. *Congress* was corrupt, and Rick's friend just got the C-words confused. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some fortunate folks are able to just dump the intellect; others, like moi, have to fight it to the death using the intellect as a weapon against itself (thorn to remove a thorn). Big Wave surfing will cure you of this problem. http://tinyurl.com/bgmfh If I'm not mistaken, this is the famous photo of Laird Hamilton in the tube of the biggest wave ever ridden. Big wave surfing is amazing. The waves are SO big that you cannot possibly paddle fast enough to catch one. So the surfer works with a team of support people on Ski-doos. One of the Ski-doos drags the surfer behind him so that he can catch the wave, and then that Ski-doo rider and up to three more wait to rush to help the surfer once he's wiped out. You always wipe out when riding giants, and if someone isn't there to fish you out, you die. It's not a sport for the timid. Have you seen Endless Summer Two? IMO best surfing movie ever made. Great cinematography and entertaining story. I used to think that until I saw Riding Giants on satellite TV. Mindbending. The Endless Summer guys were riding pussy waves. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly (PS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] ANd Keith has written about how things have changed since he first started doing researchon TM 35 years ago. And he did so LONG before Stephen Hawkings stated last year that his theory from the 1960's on black holes may be incorrect, and may not exist after all. This is a MUCH bigger flaw, and his whole career was built on it. He is still treated like God by physicists and laymen alike. ??? When did Hawkings say that black holes may not exist? He paid off a bet about a specific implication about black holes that he now says is wrong. Just about everyone in physics and astronomy is convinced that black holes exist. About a year ago: After nearly 30 years of arguing that a black hole destroys everything that falls into it, Stephen Hawking is saying he was wrong. It seems that black holes may after all allow information within them to escape. Hawking will present his latest finding at a conference in Ireland next week. The about-turn might cost Hawking, a physicist at the University of Cambridge, an encyclopaedia because of a bet he made in 1997. More importantly, it might solve one of the long-standing puzzles in modern physics, known as the black hole information paradox. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6151 The Hawking U-turn won John Preskill a book on baseball http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3913145.stm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Which have nothing to do with O2 consumption, since Kesterson published his research... Maybe because nobody really cares about O2 consumption, but they do care about hypertension and heart disease strategies, and behavioural modifications in felons. Sure, but those things are not based on O2 consumption. The why don't you STFU about stupid O2...(please:-), nobody cares about it. It is unimportant. There are more importatn things Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
