[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
John, one question: well several: 1) who is sponsoring your website about this stuff? 2) who sponsoring your media event about this stuff? 3) who is paying for your google advertising of the above? Inquiring minds, and all that. Lawson --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknap...@... wrote: To be honest, I don't know if a nonreligious form of TM would be good for kids or not. Basically, what David Lynch, with inspiration from the late Maharishi, is proposing is large-scale psychological experimentation on school kids. I'm not aware of substantive research on the long-term effects of meditation on children. I imagine some will have abreactions, just as some adults do. Just as I think drugs with negative side-effects need to regulated and monitored, but may be taken safely by most people, it seems to me that many people enjoy their TM -- while a significant minority have problems such as depression, anxiety, dissociation, involuntary tics, etc. I'd sure be more comfortable if researchers would stick to experimenting on monkeys and leave the kids alone. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: The upcoming McCartney/Lynch Concert to benefit the David Lynch Foundation will raise funds to teach Transcendental Meditation in the public schools. Many critics feel this is a clear Church/State violation because of the religious trappings of Transcendental Meditation. A group of critics -- including James Randi, Barry Markovsky, Meera Nanda, Andrew Skolnick, myself, and others -- have organized a free web event to discuss this controversy. You may be interested in attending. You can find the details at http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html Since the ruling on TM, back in the late '70's, I can see our school system has really improved in so many ways... Do you really think that practicing TM in schools would be a bad thing? Do you think that ruling did anything to improve the quality of education or the quality of anything? R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency
On Mar 24, 2009, at 12:06 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: I went to the doctor last week and he prescribed Xanax for me. But I refuse to even fill the prescription. I've seen members of my own family get on this sorts of drugs and it fucks them up for a lifetime. Wishing you the best, shemp, but don't throw all medication out the window. Is Xanax an anti-depressant? Several help, and continue to, millions, without serious side-effects. Don't know about X but some research might be in order about the others. And I also understand, after years of being indoctrinated with the TMO's medication scares myself. A friend's mother recommended something called Valerian Root. I picked up a bottle of Valerian Root Extract pills (60 pills per bottle, 50 mg each) for the ridiculously low price of $5.00 at Sprout's and I must say it is a Godsend. I've taken it about 4 days now -- a few hours before going to sleep -- and it has really helped me sleep. As it is I am still only able to sleep about 4 hours a night. But at least I lie in bed -- albeit awake -- and I'm sure I'm getting at least some rest that way, for the rest of the time. But my despondency is big. And I have no one to blame but myself for the horrible mess I'm in. I'm actually considering calling a crisis line (no, not for suicide...I'm not having those thoughts), something I've never before done. But it does help talking about it here. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: snip. Quantum mechanics explains a lot, but the big problems arise when trying to form a unified field theory, which Hawking and others continue to struggle with. But there is no unified field theory yet, despite what Haglin says. As the quote in the first post says, . . . if there's something about the physical world that quantum mechanics isn't telling you, it doesn't follow that those gaps can be filled with poetry. Mystical answers are not necessarily the correct answers. Quantum Mechanics is often misused to explain more than it does. Consciousness is a big example. And classical physics still explains behavior of large objects. Classical physics isn't wrong, it just isn't the whole picture. As usual, Ruth doesn't dare quote me, but she figures she's responding to the post of mine that John was commenting on. As usual, terrified of not being the center of attention, Judy tries to start Yet Another Argument with Ruth, who is *also* ignoring her. Ruth was talking about the *subject*, and ignoring the idiotic compulsive arguer who was trying to make the subject ALL ABOUT HER. Perhaps she should have read what I wrote instead of making assumptions about it: Classic Judy: This subject isn't about the subject. It's all about ME. Don't you GET that? You HAVE to read everything I wrote, and then reply stupidly to it so that I can argue with you and point out how REEEALLLY REEEALLLY STOOOPID you are. Don't you understand how things WORK on FFL? Keep ignoring the sour bitch, Ruth. In this case and in ALL cases as far as I can tell, the subject is about the subject, and Judy is not worth *being* that subject. She's become Willytex, trying to butt into ongoing conversations *for no other reason* than to start an argument.
[FairfieldLife] What TMers and anti-TMers have in common (was Re: Free Web Event)
This whole subject is so old I cannot develop even a hint of an interest in it. However, the thing I find interesting is that John Knapp and the We don't trust the TMO folks in this discussion are essentially saying the SAME THING as Judy and the We don't trust John Knapp and the anti-TMers folks in the discussion. BOTH ARE USING *EXACTLY* THE SAME TACTICS: * These people (the TMO or John Knapp, et al) are not to be trusted. * These people (the TMO or John Knapp, et al) have a hidden agenda. * These people (the TMO or John Knapp, et al) are really in it for the money. * These people (the TMO or John Knapp, et al) have a history, and that history says more about them than their own words do. Doncha think it's fascinating that graduates of TMO indoctrination use *exactly the same techniques* to present their arguments and demonize the other side? Doncha think that's sad? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: But he does have a very finely tuned B.S. detector. My experience with Knapp indicates to me that he is forthright and stands up for what he believes. And my (much, much longer) experience with him indicates something very different. Others who hung out on alt.m.t when he was there had the same impression I did. I respect him for that. I don't respect him or his methods. He spent a long time around the TMO, he knows the cult of the TMO. The cult of the TMO. snicker IIRC, you did not support TM in the schools, erring on the side of separation of church and state. Or am I remembering wrong? I supported the court decision as discussed in the concurring opinion of Judge Adams with regard to TM plus SCI. TM *without* SCI is a different situation. There is no secular TM: there is the puja, there are the lectures. We disagree. You don't just learn the technique. We disagree. Plus, as Curtis and I have argued, people has the right to know the philosophical underpinnings of TM and the TMO. I think the whole objection is farcical on its face and in most cases insincere. It isn't reality-based. I know in the form proposed by Lynch no court has addressed whether it violates the separation of church and state. We will see what happens or if anyone wants to fund a court case if TM begins to spread in the schools. Yes, we will. My hunch is that it will not go far. Schools and their administrators have too many things on their plates to mess around with TM. That's just what Knapp is hoping, that he can stir up enough trouble to make the schools decide it's not worth it. (And I'm sure he won't mind if he can generate publicity for his counseling practice into the bargain.) It's no surprise you support his efforts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Meditation is for Self realization and God realization. Secular meditation simply does not exist. If Sufi meditation HELPS me to realize my Self and finally God I would accept it. You wouldn't?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: snip I'd sure be more comfortable if researchers would stick to experimenting on monkeys and leave the kids alone. Naah, how could anybody possibly think John Knapp was rabidly anti-TM? Rabidly?? ..it seems to me that many people enjoy their TM -- while a significant minority have problems such as depression, anxiety, dissociation, involuntary tics, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Humiliation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: I was touched by this [lurkernomore's post] and by Judy's sincere post. This is real live shit. For the record, so was I. I don't feel that I am qualified to offer any specific advice, so instead I'll write about one of my favorite words, and why I think it might be applicable to the situation that many, if not *most* of us find ourselves in right now. That word is humiliation. Most people, these days, think of it in terms of its more modern meaning, to be reduced to a lower position others' eyes. But that's not its original meaning. The etymology of the word is from the Latin humiliatus, past participle of humiliare, from Latin word humilis, meaning low. Humiliation dates from 1534, when it was used by Christian monks (whose religious language was Latin) to refer to a process of becoming humble, of being reduced to a lower position in one's OWN eyes, not those of others. They saw this as a Good Thing, and so do I. We find ourselves in interesting times. With *very* few exceptions on this forum, most of us are workin' folks. And like most workin' folks on this planet, most of us are two paychecks away from living on the street. Most of us *ignore* this reality most of the time. It's not a comfortable thing to live with at the forefront of one's brain. But during times like these, it edges closer and closer TO the forefront of our brains, and reminds us of our *real* importance in life. And we're not alone. The wizards of Wall Street who used to refer to themselves as the Lords of the Universe now are starting to wonder whether *they* will have jobs a year from now. Those of us down in the trenches are starting to wonder whether we will have jobs next week. And I'm one of them. I have been working for a wonder- ful French company for the last five years, and hoped to work for them until I retired. But that company was recently bought by IBM, and IBM has so far said not a fuckin' word about whether contractors will be kept on or not. So this whole recession thang affects me, too. At any moment I could be out of a job. Fortunately, because I live frugally and have no debt, I'm a couple of years away from living on the street, not a couple of months, but basically I am in the same position as an auto worker who fears being laid off or anyone else who fears that their source of income will dry up. And does this worry me, does it sometimes erode my self confidence and get me down? Betcher booties, as someone here likes to say. :-) At the same time, when this happens I try to remember the Latin origin of the word humiliation and remind myself that this is all a Good Thing, something that is reminding me of my *real* importance, or lack thereof. I'm ORDINARY. The Laws Of Nature do NOT necessarily support me. God is NOT necessarily on my side. The system is NOT necessarily going to take care of me. If the shit hits the fan, I'm going to be as covered with shit as everyone else. And that helps to remind me to be a little more humble. But it *also* serves to remind me that I AM NOT ALONE. People who consider themselves the Lords of the Uni- verse or having the support of Nature often tend to be egoistic loners. They don't really NEED other people, because things are going so well for them *without* other people. It's often only when the shit hits the fan that we realize that other people -- our friends and fellow seekers -- are a far more important resource than that paycheck. If we avoid the psychic depression that accompanies an economic depression, most of us can remember our strengths, and find some new way to put those strengths to use, and with a little help from our friends, not only get by, but do so with some grace. One of the reasons I have enjoyed this thread is that it bucks the trend of the TMO, and of many spiritual and social structures. So *MUCH* of the TMO mindset was about not *admitting* that we got depressed from time to time, or that our job security was precarious. In a way, it was like that old L.A. joke. Guy says to another guy, What do you do for a living? He says, I'm an actor. First guy says, Oh...what restaurant? That joke is a joke because it reflects the sad reality of being an actor -- most of them are out of work most of the time, but none of them are ever *allowed* to admit that they're not working as actors right now. Similarly, in the TMO people were generally not *allowed* to admit that they were less than the perfect members of the perfect society, all of which was work- ing quite perfectly, thank you. I think it's a step forward that we can both *admit* that sometimes not everything works perfectly, and step forward to help our friends and fellow seekers when that happens. There is *humility* in both sides of this equation, and not an ounce of humiliation in its
[FairfieldLife] Jewish Buddhism
Jewish Buddhism If there is no self, whose arthritis is this? Be here now. Be someplace else later. Is that so complicated? Drink tea and nourish life. With the first sip ... joy. With the second ... satisfaction. With the third, peace. With the fourth, a Danish. Wherever you go, there you are. Your luggage is another story. Accept misfortune as a blessing. Do not wish for perfect health, Or a life without problems. What would you talk about? The journey of a thousand miles Begins with a single oy. There is no escaping karma In a previous life, you never called, you never wrote, you never visited. And whose fault was that? Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkes. The Tao does not speak. The Tao does not blame. The Tao does not take sides. The Tao has no expectations. The Tao demands nothing of others. The Tao is not Jewish. Breathe in. Breathe out. Breathe in. Breathe out. Forget this and attaining Enlightenment will be the least of your problems. Let your mind be as a floating cloud. Let your stillness be as the wooded glen. And sit up straight. You'll never meet the Buddha with such rounded shoulders. Be patient and achieve all things. Be impatient and achieve all things faster. To Find the Buddha, look within. Deep inside you are ten thousand flowers. Each flower blossoms ten thousand times. Each blossom has ten thousand petals. You might want to see a specialist. To practice Zen and the art of Jewish motorcycle maintenance, do the following: Get rid of the motorcycle. What were you thinking? Be aware of your body. Be aware of your perceptions. Keep in mind that not every physical sensation is a symptom of a terminal illness. The Torah says, Love thy neighbor as thyself. The Buddha says there is no self. So, maybe you are off the hook. Though only your skin, sinews, and bones remain, though your blood and flesh dry up and wither away, yet shall you meditate and not stir until you have attained full Enlightenment. But, first, a little nosh
[FairfieldLife] Re: Humiliation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: At any moment I could be out of a job. Fortunately, because I live frugally and have no debt, I'm a couple of years away from living on the street, not a couple of months, but basically I am in the same position as an auto worker who fears being laid off or anyone else who fears that their source of income will dry up. And does this worry me, does it sometimes erode my self confidence and get me down? Betcher booties, as someone here likes to say. :-) Shake off that faint heartedness, oh TurquoiseB! Nistroi Gunjo etc. You an old TM initiate, you especially have a safety net. A safety net. Return to the program full-time and you can earn $700 per month, working for the upliftment of all Natural Law and Order. Return ye ransomed non-meditator. Takes only getting your meditation checked and the world would statistically be a whole lot better place for you and everyone. You are being served your return from Exile. Jai Guru Dev. It is beautiful how things work out. We are so happy for you. Jai Guru Dev. The domes here could use a few more disciplined meditators. We look with joy on your return to home. We all look to welcome you back, brother. Jai Guru. At the same time, when this happens I try to remember the Latin origin of the word humiliation and remind myself that this is all a Good Thing, something that is reminding me of my *real* importance, or lack thereof. I'm ORDINARY. The Laws Of Nature do NOT necessarily support me. God is NOT necessarily on my side. The system is NOT necessarily going to take care of me. If the shit hits the fan, I'm going to be as covered with shit as everyone else. And that helps to remind me to be a little more humble. But it *also* serves to remind me that I AM NOT ALONE. People who consider themselves the Lords of the Uni- verse or having the support of Nature often tend to be egoistic loners. They don't really NEED other people, because things are going so well for them *without* other people. It's often only when the shit hits the fan that we realize that other people -- our friends and fellow seekers -- are a far more important resource than that paycheck. If we avoid the psychic depression that accompanies an economic depression, most of us can remember our strengths, and find some new way to put those strengths to use, and with a little help from our friends, not only get by, but do so with some grace. One of the reasons I have enjoyed this thread is that it bucks the trend of the TMO, and of many spiritual and social structures. So *MUCH* of the TMO mindset was about not *admitting* that we got depressed from time to time, or that our job security was precarious. In a way, it was like that old L.A. joke. Guy says to another guy, What do you do for a living? He says, I'm an actor. First guy says, Oh...what restaurant? That joke is a joke because it reflects the sad reality of being an actor -- most of them are out of work most of the time, but none of them are ever *allowed* to admit that they're not working as actors right now. Similarly, in the TMO people were generally not *allowed* to admit that they were less than the perfect members of the perfect society, all of which was work- ing quite perfectly, thank you. I think it's a step forward that we can both *admit* that sometimes not everything works perfectly, and step forward to help our friends and fellow seekers when that happens. There is *humility* in both sides of this equation, and not an ounce of humiliation in its degraded modern meaning.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Despondency
Thanks. Advice doesn't work in New Orleans. My two best friends - which I made over many many years have left the city. Not much advice can be given. One left about two years after Katrina, the other just this weekend. For someone rather unmotivated such as I - much of which I attribute to some bullshit belief system that I picked up at MIU - no advice is the best advice. Or tip a bottle. Thanks to everyone however. I am not suicidal and never have been. Unless you consider my going to MIU and my present huge amount of student loans with no appreciable source of income - suicide. As for the meds, they are having their effect, but they are not taking me to where I need to get. I have troubles with eating. I don't like to eat. I eat one meal a day. I get famished but with no appetite. I am the one who needs a personal chef. I stopped smoking pot the last few days. Now instead of smoking a bowl and staring at the walls or finding something stupid to do, now I just stare at the walls. I have no motivation. At least with my friends I could do stuff for them, drive them around, have a few drinks, pretend I was part of the human race. Commiserate with the nonjudgemental, who didn't feel superior, with loads of vapid advice, never even having met me in person. - Original Message - From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Despondency Interesting how people feel compelled to offer Kirk advice. He didn't ask for it. He just made some statements about his own life. He didn't ask anyone to tell him how to change it. The only thing I will say is, I hear you, Kirk! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Get back to your meditation program. You'll never know what surprises are kept for you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: This is the first action I am engaging in today. My best and only friend moved away. Jobs suck. My wife is extremely busy. I suck. The sooner I die the happier I will be. You all enjoy your trite fun and games. Woohoo Judy and Barry - what a great time. Whatever. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Humiliation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: At any moment I could be out of a job. Fortunately, because I live frugally and have no debt, I'm a couple of years away from living on the street, not a couple of months, but basically I am in the same position as an auto worker who fears being laid off or anyone else who fears that their source of income will dry up. And does this worry me, does it sometimes erode my self confidence and get me down? Betcher booties, as someone here likes to say. :-) Shake off that faint heartedness, oh TurquoiseB! Nistroi Gunjo etc. You an old TM initiate, you especially have a safety net. A safety net. Return to the program full-time and you can earn $700 per month, working for the upliftment of all Natural Law and Order. While the irony of that, and the ability to be a Bad Influence in Fairfield appeals to me, 1) I doubt very seriously whether the TMO would give me a dome badge, and 2) I'd much rather live in a cardboard box under a freeway overpass. :-) Return ye ransomed non-meditator. I've always been a meditator. Still am. Just not a TM meditator. While I understand that many see not a TM meditator as equivalent to not a meditator, and that Nabby probably sees not a TM meditator as equivalent to a demon that deserves to be thrown in a hole so that I can cover him with dirt, not everyone sees things that way. :-) Takes only getting your meditation checked and the world would statistically be a whole lot better place for you and everyone. I reserve the right to disagree with either of those two statistics. One can do a great deal of good for the world from a cardboard box. :-) You are being served your return from Exile. Jai Guru Dev. It is beautiful how things work out. We are so happy for you. Jai Guru Dev. The domes here could use a few more disciplined meditators. Disciplined? Are we talking regular spankings? :-) We look with joy on your return to home. We all look to welcome you back, brother. Jai Guru. No Dev? I guess I only deserve a Dev if I come back to the fold. :-) Doug, I fully understand that you are joking. But isn't it fascinating that pretty much the same email could have been written by people we know without an ounce of irony, either intended or perceived? It is my opinion that those who have come to believe that those who do not believe as they do are no longer home don't really have much of a home that anyone would want to come back TO. Any TMer would be welcome in my cardboard box anytime. If it's Je-Ru I might watch him carefully to make sure he doesn't steal me blind, and if it's Nabby I might watch him to make sure he doesn't try to cover me with dirt, but they'd both be welcome. :-) :-) :-) And, just as an example of support of nature, and to infuriate those who believe that such support just *should not happen* to Off The Program predatory scum such as myself, in the time between my earlier post and this one, I received word from IBM that my contract has, in fact, been renewed. So it looks as if the cardboard box is NOT in my immediate future, even though I had a perfect freeway overpass picked out for it, one with a view of the sea. Jai Guru Accounting Department
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Despondency
On Mar 23, 2009, at 9:10 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: Private chef? Any thoughts on the idea of private cheffing--at different houses, once a weekcustom gourmet menus, for upscale clients? Work your magicdifferent places to work, different scenery, a different mandala of people? You're always the boss, but instead of a overbearing bastard, the clients get to see your enlightened nature... It's the in thing. Show up, work your magic with a weeks worth of meals. On to the next person. Never boring, always original. Gawd, you'd be great at it! A traveling artist with his culinary, uh... palate. :-) I want a private chef but I know I would get fat. I did buy pre- made meals by a small catering company for a few years. They would deliver meals once a week. Most was frozen to reheat but there also was fresh stuff, like salads, fruit, etc. Much better than crap I would have made when I was working too many hours. I bet there is a market for this as well, but you probably need a commercial kitchen for preparing the meals. In this area they come to your home and make the meals. Since they tend to appeal to the McMansion set, these people often have very nice kitchens. I considered it, but then instead just came up with meals I enjoyed making and a lot of soups. I don't mind cooking, I just don't like to clean up!
[FairfieldLife] Re: ! Transcend ! ye Sinners
Repent, is used in English translations of the Gospels for the Greek word metanoia. But going back to the Greek, it turns out that metanoia can also be understood to mean transcend (beyond-mind). Absolutely, ! Transcend ! you sinners. You who so sin against your own inner Nature repent your non-practice ways, go beyond the mind. The means of enlightenment are now everywhere in the enlightening world. The time is upon all humankind now for a mass of instruction in the ways of repenting through science, through true transcending. The time for ignorance is over. Oh, the non-meditator! For if only one quarter of the science is true then Science absolutely shows us that we must convert the non-meditators to transcendentalism now. In the flow of human event all end evidently and imperatively is near. Evidently an end for non-meditation must be brought in to hand for all our ultimate safety. Jai Guru Dev,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency
Well Lurk, you know you have my sympathy. I'm, otr we are not alone. Many people I know have had their lives washed away. I didn't realize it would effect me like it did since it wasn't my home town. But that's not the case cause it is my home town now, and so many people are feeling low here. Each of my friends in turn has graduated to hard drugs - read heroin or crack - I drove one to rehab a week ago where she was enrolled. I can tell you stories. Of course my giving advice is the blind leading the blind. If you're 54 you may be in mid-life crisis. Or, maybe some physical problem. I am having to soon check whether I am hypothyroid since I have eating issues. Anyway, the weepy thing I have alway had. I am pretty emotional from the outset. - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency Shempster, glad I may be one of the first to respond here. First, there are probably a lot of us who are never more than a hairs breath away from crying. Second, just don't give up, even when you feel like it. Put one step ahead of the other, and continue to go forward. Sounds trite, I know, but if you keep plugging away, things fall into place one way or another. Other than that, you can't push depression out the door. You have to process it in some manner, and then sometimes it may just lift. Kind of like when you have a persistent headache, and suddenly it goes away, and your not even aware that it has gone away until after the fact. Wishing you the best. lurk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I can really identify with Kirk today. I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling really, really low. I've lost almost all confidence in myself. And I cry a lot (yeah, that's pretty sappy considering that I'm a 54 year old male). Any kind words or advise (yes, I'm asking!) directed my way will be very welcome. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
On Mar 24, 2009, at 4:26 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:As usual, Ruth doesn't dare quote me, but she figures she's responding to the post of mine that John was commenting on. As usual, terrified of not being the center of attention, Judy tries to start Yet Another Argument with Ruth, who is *also* ignoring her. She sure likes to probe:
Re: [FairfieldLife] More despondency
On Mar 23, 2009, at 11:41 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I can really identify with Kirk today. I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling really, really low. I've lost almost all confidence in myself. And I cry a lot (yeah, that's pretty sappy considering that I'm a 54 year old male). Any kind words or advise (yes, I'm asking!) directed my way will be very welcome. No advice, just a note to say I was thinking about you the other day and wondered how you were doing. I always enjoy your sense of humor!
[FairfieldLife] Shemp
From a friendly lurker Hey Rick I was just glancing at FFL and saw Shemp's post about being depressed. I would suggest he get a male hormone panel. Men at this age usually have a huge shift in the ratio of testosterone to estrogen and believe it or not there are ways to adjust this herbally and it might shift his mood. Thing is he has to be very careful who he goes to. Not an endocrinologist as they may want to use testosterone and that is the kiss of death. Only herbally and nutritionally
[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency
Thanks Kirk, but I'm exempted this time around. I was responding to Shemp, who is having a rough time. But, I read with interest the after effects of Katrian within your circle of friends. It seems that you were able to avoid the initial devastation if I remember correctly. You were able to leave at the outset. I believe the mainstream perception is that NO is coming back on track. But you provide the insiders perspective. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Well Lurk, you know you have my sympathy. I'm, otr we are not alone. Many people I know have had their lives washed away. I didn't realize it would effect me like it did since it wasn't my home town. But that's not the case cause it is my home town now, and so many people are feeling low here. Each of my friends in turn has graduated to hard drugs - read heroin or crack - I drove one to rehab a week ago where she was enrolled. I can tell you stories. Of course my giving advice is the blind leading the blind. If you're 54 you may be in mid-life crisis. Or, maybe some physical problem. I am having to soon check whether I am hypothyroid since I have eating issues. Anyway, the weepy thing I have alway had. I am pretty emotional from the outset. - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency Shempster, glad I may be one of the first to respond here. First, there are probably a lot of us who are never more than a hairs breath away from crying. Second, just don't give up, even when you feel like it. Put one step ahead of the other, and continue to go forward. Sounds trite, I know, but if you keep plugging away, things fall into place one way or another. Other than that, you can't push depression out the door. You have to process it in some manner, and then sometimes it may just lift. Kind of like when you have a persistent headache, and suddenly it goes away, and your not even aware that it has gone away until after the fact. Wishing you the best. lurk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I can really identify with Kirk today. I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling really, really low. I've lost almost all confidence in myself. And I cry a lot (yeah, that's pretty sappy considering that I'm a 54 year old male). Any kind words or advise (yes, I'm asking!) directed my way will be very welcome. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Despondency
Since this point has been raised many times, I will answer it. There's a mean shaped fear within me that makes me squirm and cringe when I think about starting over with anything. Going from place to place is my worst mightmare, having to cook for strangers with no company to talk to. I like restaurants. I am used to them. I like being a chef and calling out orders and making menus and ordering from purveyors, not picking shit up from the store in my car. I like to have a set menu I can get better with. I like watching the customers being happy. On the other hand, I would give a toe to cook for Branjolie, but I have simply no idea of the types of health requirements they need and so on. Most stars hire nutritionists. Now before someone suggests I go into nutrition, a chef who is a nutritionist works mainly cooking crap for hospitals and retirement homes. Cooking for stars, or even not for stars but for regular people sounds fine for awhile, but you will not find people advertising. I watch the adds everyday. Do you know how many out of work chefs there are in New Orleans. I can get a sous or chef job, but can I keep it? I am very high strung, I usually demand perfection. I throw stuff. I smoke. I sometimes can't calm down and have to have a drink or smoke a joint. Would you hire me? I am a great chef. I am a fucked up individual. Of course without all that pressure I am fairly okay, but not very inspired. I really need to round in FF for two weeks. But with all the emphasis on three month rounding I can't even get any answers about just staying for two weeks. And not for the meditation I need to go there to eat three square a day of something healthy until I can think straight again. At MIU. I've never had any problem telling the truth. It's falsehoods that throw me, so I am not great at fabricating resumes and lying through my teeth to potential employers. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 11:59 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Despondency From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Despondency Private chef? Any thoughts on the idea of private cheffing--at different houses, once a weekcustom gourmet menus, for upscale clients? Work your magicdifferent places to work, different scenery, a different mandala of people? You're always the boss, but instead of a overbearing bastard, the clients get to see your enlightened nature... It's the in thing. Show up, work your magic with a weeks worth of meals. On to the next person. Never boring, always original. Gawd, you'd be great at it! A traveling artist with his culinary, uh... palate. :-) I have a friend who does that. He lives in NYC and cooks out in the Hamptons and such places. Not even a week at a time. A meal here, a meal there. Makes good money.
Re: [FairfieldLife] An Informed opinion on musicians of the 60's
On Mar 23, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I just read a laughable piece by a poster who I know is not a musician about the musicians in 60's bands. Thing is I knew many of these people. Many of us shared a similar background: we studied music seriously. Many of the rock musicians if they didn't have a classical background were in jazz. When they saw the money being made playing music they could play in their sleep they jumped into the scene. I recall one summer evening in 1967 when the Grateful Dead came to visit our band's three story run down mansion overlooking the Seattle Center from Queen Anne. We sat around listen to John Cage on the stereo and discussing elements of classical music. These guys knew their stuff. I also believe some of the guys in Janis's band were out of the Mark V another northwest rock group of skilled musicians. Sure many folks got so stoned out of their mind they could barely play. A few years later that element went away after some managers and entrepreneurs figured out to let the audience get stoned but make sure the damn band could get through a set worth what the audience paid to hear. In the 1960's the record companies didn't know what to do with the psychedelic scene. Some fought it and produced only bubble gum music including bubble gum psychedelic (think Strawberry Alarm Clock, a band of fine musicians depressed because they had to play to audiences of 13 year old kids because that's what their record company wanted). Other major companies started throwing money at the scene. I talked with a producer from Columbia Records who had a budget to sign some groups and was interested in ours, if we could somehow get out of our bad record contract with a Seattle label. Columbia was paying $50K advances at the time which was a bit of money in those days. Even Gram Parsons, considered the father of modern country music had a background in jazz. There are many in the country field with jazz and classical backgrounds. Often the record company PR people like to hide the backgrounds. They loved the Horatio Alger type story of a musician who could barely play making it big. Sure there were a few three (and two) chord wonders out there but they were often backed by people who knew what they were doing. Of the musicians I used to hang with in High School and college, only a few kept with it. One that did, was never in it for the money, but for the uncompromising pleasure of performing, composing, writing and conducting. He's very happy and has the self-actualized vibe. PBS now uses him and he's really gotten into the burgeoning rock scene in China which combine traditional Chinese classical music with rock. If he's not doing that or composing, he'll experiment with a noise band or conduct avant garde symphonies. For years he'd work the club scene and then work as a janitor to help pay the bills. Worked his may through a masters in composition, even though his family could have easily paid for it, just for the independence and the experience. It seemed to me those that got into drugs were trying to emulate the high the got being on the stage. It can give you a feeling like you're on top of the world, of great elation and invulnerability. I remember a couple of years a go, I was renting this house on a lake in the western mountains for a month. Near to us was this lake called Indian Lake, and every time I'd see it I'd start singing that 60's song of the same name by a band called The Cowsills. The Partridge Family was based on them. So I downloaded the song and The Rain, the Park and Other Things. Then I started wondering who were these people? and found out the one older kid, Barry, had just died in Katrina. Despite the bubble gum exterior, it turned out Barry Cowsill was a serious music freak, and lived in New Orleans to be close to the music he loved.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency
I can tell you all about alprazolam and diazapam. They are depressant benzodiazapines, used for muscle relaxation and to promote sleep. Xanax has a short half life of only two hours so it also can put you to sleep but then you wake up in just a few hours. It's not very good for sleep. It's much better for tension headache and TMJ which is why I have it. Valium has a half life of 18 hours, so valium, in my doctor's words, has an hour come down which matches the symptoms of depression. Thus valium, he says, is addicting. Funny thing is he never asked me if I felt addicted to the 270 Lortabs he gave me every 45 days. But those I wanted. Because they are better antidepressants than anything on the market. Of course the acetominophen is bad for the liver, especially if one drinks. So that's another issue. Here's the thing. Alprazolam can prevent clarity of mind. It doesn't last long though. That's why doctors give it out over valium. If you took one at night you really shouldn't notice any significant hangover. No. I used to get a depressive hangover when I would take ten mgs a day to keep my nerves from rattling during 16 hour shifts of people yelling at me. On xanax and valium you will incur memory loss, maybe even from just a little. But especially if you drink with them. I remember drinking a bottle of wine on top of valium and then I called everyone I knew and cut them off and erased all my phone numbers and it took me a few months to get the numbers and my friends back. I don't rememebr doing it. I just knew when I looked at my phone and I erased all the numbers that something bad had happened. Xanax are bad, but if you're responsible, which I am not, then you can use them as a doctor prescribes. But if you're like me then maybe they aren't such a good idea. They were prescribed for depression to help someone I know of who lost a loved one during Katrina. It took her three years and rehab to get clean. One thing some newbies to TM forget is that if you have lived with TM your whole, or pretty much your whole life, then it ceases having any specific quality. Thus it is of little use when confronting the usual day to day problems. I am not sure if I admire the idealists or think they're misguided dunces. I have the difficult problem of being around many heroin and crack addicts and stoners. I am driving one to her appt today. With a counselor. If one hasn't figured it out yet, most everybody is fucked in some way. Especially the gurus who look all perfect. The more perfect you have to look the more fucked you really are. Nobody has figured life out yet. And they never will. Religions are not the life of the intellect but the death of it. I do not recommend religion to anyone. - Original Message - From: Sal Sunshine To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency On Mar 24, 2009, at 12:06 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: I went to the doctor last week and he prescribed Xanax for me. But I refuse to even fill the prescription. I've seen members of my own family get on this sorts of drugs and it fucks them up for a lifetime. Wishing you the best, shemp, but don't throw all medication out the window. Is Xanax an anti-depressant? Several help, and continue to, millions, without serious side-effects. Don't know about X but some research might be in order about the others. And I also understand, after years of being indoctrinated with the TMO's medication scares myself. A friend's mother recommended something called Valerian Root. I picked up a bottle of Valerian Root Extract pills (60 pills per bottle, 50 mg each) for the ridiculously low price of $5.00 at Sprout's and I must say it is a Godsend. I've taken it about 4 days now -- a few hours before going to sleep -- and it has really helped me sleep. As it is I am still only able to sleep about 4 hours a night. But at least I lie in bed -- albeit awake -- and I'm sure I'm getting at least some rest that way, for the rest of the time. But my despondency is big. And I have no one to blame but myself for the horrible mess I'm in. I'm actually considering calling a crisis line (no, not for suicide...I'm not having those thoughts), something I've never before done. But it does help talking about it here. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: If you look at early MIU textbooks (privately printed), students were required to take an interdisciplinary set of courses which included physics. The physics module, as per the overriding TM mythology, compared the experience of TM to physics and the imaginary unified field of consciousness. But--and a very important but--at the end they explained in no uncertain terms, that you can only take analogies so far. Did they really? Good for them. I said from day one in my TM career that CasUF is an analogy to supposed unification theories but was told by my TM teacher that it really was the UF. He obviously didn't know anything about it and was just toeing the party line. It was the thing that kept me sceptical and I thank them for it. I did hear that Lawrence Domash objected to Marshy when he started going on about CasUF, apparently he said But Maharishi we don't really know anything about that level yet To which the reesh replied We are the masters of this field! Yet another story but you've gotta admit it has the ring of truth about it. They admitted right up front they were pushing it. But eventually these edges were blurred...and eventually, ignored. The Marshy said they should. So they did.
[FairfieldLife] Love the Compassion of the Pope
In the mid-1980s, Pope Jon Paul 11 visited a squalid barrio in Tumaco, Columbia. He was dressed to the holy hilt in his finest white vestments. The cap, solid gold cross and Pontiff ducked through a hole cut into tin sheets and plastic and entered a shack that was the home of an unemployed peasant farmer, his pregnant wife and a half-dozen emaciated kids. The lean-to structure and the family of hopelessness within were typical of the crowded barrios he had seen on his tour, which was little more than a cesspool of poverty and violence, a dump site of shattered dreams. No doubt the Pope was a seasoned observer of the sight of many countless children in slums with their stick limbs and swelling bellies, playing in the open sewers. While in the hut, he tried to speak soft words of comfort over a cacophony of babies crying for want of food, as they sucked at breasts run dry from overwork and overbreeding. The stench of dysentery shriveled the papal nostrils. The hollow and awestruck gaze of the farmer and his tattered tots made him weep. He re-emerged from the shack, displaying tears like shining medals to the tropical sun and the relentless flashing eyes of cameras. He declared with a moving voice, to the press and the world at large, I bless the people in this home As he left the area, a papal aide was seen slipping $300 into the Columbian farmer's hand. Upon the Pope's return from the South American crusade, he stressed with even more righteous certainty than ever before that all birth control and contraceptive methods are a sin. John Hogue The people here now don't care about Mother Earth, because when they die they're going to heaven. They're going to get a harp, a pair of wings, and a halo, and they're going to be playing all the time. It is very unattractive to me. I don't even know how to play a harp. Grandfather Semu Huarte: American Indian, Chumash Nation 1983 Neutering cats and dogs are the 'rage' - Please send that Idea to the pope! Arhata Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency
On Mar 24, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Kirk wrote: I can tell you all about alprazolam and diazapam. They are depressant benzodiazapines, used for muscle relaxation and to promote sleep. Xanax has a short half life of only two hours so it also can put you to sleep but then you wake up in just a few hours. It's not very good for sleep. It's much better for tension headache and TMJ which is why I have it. Valium has a half life of 18 hours, so valium, in my doctor's words, has an hour come down which matches the symptoms of depression. Thus valium, he says, is addicting. Funny thing is he never asked me if I felt addicted to the 270 Lortabs he gave me every 45 days. But those I wanted. Because they are better antidepressants than anything on the market. Of course the acetominophen is bad for the liver, especially if one drinks. So that's another issue. People should try GABA before they try the Benzos--or even after they've tried them. If you're a meditator and ever got the 'wave of relaxation' kinda bliss from a good meditation session, GABA is like that. In fact GABA receptors are what are activated in Theta and Gamma wave samadhis. It's believed to not cross the BBB, but it somehow must be getting around it, as it does work. Cheap too. The important thing is, you have take it on an empty stomach. L- Theanine, the amino acid in Green Tea is the same way and also quite good. Shemp, this is something inexpensive you could check out. It's helpful to have some clear, clean clarity and freedom from emotional patterns to be able to just see where we are and move forward without everything weighing on us.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Which God? - Original Message - From: Zoran Krneta To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools Meditation is for Self realization and God realization. Secular meditation simply does not exist. If Sufi meditation HELPS me to realize my Self and finally God I would accept it. You wouldn't?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
On Mar 24, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Hugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: If you look at early MIU textbooks (privately printed), students were required to take an interdisciplinary set of courses which included physics. The physics module, as per the overriding TM mythology, compared the experience of TM to physics and the imaginary unified field of consciousness. But--and a very important but--at the end they explained in no uncertain terms, that you can only take analogies so far. Did they really? Good for them. I said from day one in my TM career that CasUF is an analogy to supposed unification theories but was told by my TM teacher that it really was the UF. He obviously didn't know anything about it and was just toeing the party line. It was the thing that kept me sceptical and I thank them for it. Well, it's been hinted that Hagelin was pretty much forced to write his paper Is Consciousness the Unified Field and to accept the 'consciousness is the unified field' con, or to hit the highway. He craved access to the Big Reesh, so he sold his soul for that access. At that point it was no longer seen as an analogy, what it really is. If I find the old Interdisciplinary physics course, I'll scan it in. It's in a box somewhere. I did hear that Lawrence Domash objected to Marshy when he started going on about CasUF, apparently he said But Maharishi we don't really know anything about that level yet To which the reesh replied We are the masters of this field! Yet another story but you've gotta admit it has the ring of truth about it. Well, see the above. Similar story, but in this case 'it's my way or the highway'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From a friendly lurker Hey Rick I was just glancing at FFL and saw Shemp's post about being depressed. I would suggest he get a male hormone panel. Men at this age usually have a huge shift in the ratio of testosterone to estrogen and believe it or not there are ways to adjust this herbally and it might shift his mood. Thing is he has to be very careful who he goes to. Not an endocrinologist as they may want to use testosterone and that is the kiss of death. Only herbally and nutritionally For boosting testosterone and reducing estrogen dominance naturally, check out Dr. William Wong's websites: http://www.drwong.us/ http://www.naturalhealthpodcasts.com/podcasts.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Which you like…
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp
On Mar 24, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From a friendly lurker Hey Rick I was just glancing at FFL and saw Shemp's post about being depressed. I would suggest he get a male hormone panel. Men at this age usually have a huge shift in the ratio of testosterone to estrogen and believe it or not there are ways to adjust this herbally and it might shift his mood. Thing is he has to be very careful who he goes to. Not an endocrinologist as they may want to use testosterone and that is the kiss of death. Only herbally and nutritionally For boosting testosterone and reducing estrogen dominance naturally, check out Dr. William Wong's websites: http://www.drwong.us/ http://www.naturalhealthpodcasts.com/podcasts.html Bioidentical hormones are getting some good science to back their use. I know it is really helpful for menopause, you can get rid of those nasty hot flashes and mood swings. Some women have a real drop in testosterone which can make them feel very vulnerable. You'll need a good and supportive doc to do the workup and then a compounding pharmacist to make up the meds. I know my insurance covers it, yours may too. Since these levels are a sensitive issue, it's great that you can now have someone work up your hormone profile and then follow it across time, adjusting the bioidenticals as needed. In a couple of months you can naturally be back to your teenage hormone levels.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
I like them all, it's rather confusing. Also I hate them all for fucking me over and stealing my father from me when I was eight. Nothing the Gods could do now could make up for that, so fuck em all I say. If the Gods' cared about making things better they would start by having people stop all the wasteful sacrificing for selfish ends. - Original Message - From: Zoran Krneta To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools Which you like…
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: snip On the other hand, I know of a court in New Jersey that ruled TM was religious and had no place in public schools. As you know, it was TM *plus SCI* that was ruled a religious teaching under the definition used to protect the First Amendment (i.e., the government was not allowed to fund it, even by making school facilities available for it). This is accurate, Judy. But I'm not sure that it substantially changes my point. The judge went on at great length about both the puja and SCI separately as being religious in nature. It would be my guess that, if someone were to challenge DLF's program in court, that the puja alone would be sufficient to keep TM out of the schools. A couple of quotes from the Malnak vs. Yogi judgment (archived at http://trancenet.net/law/nj1.html): The undisputed material facts upon which plaintiffs rely and from which plaintiffs assert that the only conclusion possible is that teaching of the SCI/TM course violates the establishment of religion clauses of both the United States and New Jersey constitutions are the textbook and the puja4 used in the course. Defendants seek to characterize the puja as a ceremony of gratitude, and apparently so represent it to the New Jersey high school students. It is difficult to understand why defendants label the puja a ceremony of gratitude because the English translation of the chant fails to reveal one word of gratefulness or thanksgiving. Rather, the puja takes the form of a double invocation of Guru Dev. Putting this difficulty aside for the moment, the question arises as to whom this gratitude is being expressed. Defendants have answered this question by stating that the gratitude is given to the tradition of teachers who have preserved this teaching, Jarvis Affidavit P. 11, to the knowledgenamed in the chant is said to have possessed, Jarvis Deposition at 1006, and to the prior teachers themselves. Aaron Deposition at 582. The problem with all of defendants' descriptions of the receiver of the gratitude is that none of the described recipients is capable of receiving it. When one performs a ceremony of gratitude or thanksgiving, Aaron Deposition at 582, one must have a recipient of that gratitude in mind or the ceremony would be meaningless. In common English usage, ceremonies of gratitude or thanksgiving are performed to divine beings (God, Providence, etc.), animate and sensate beings, and possibly institutions run by human beings. While one may be grateful for a body of knowledge or for a tradition, that gratitude extends to the purveyors or creators of that knowledge or to the preservers of the tradition. One would no more perform a ceremony of gratitude to a tradition or to a body of knowledge than one would perform a ceremony of gratitude to a chair or to a useful contrivance or to a machine or to any other inanimate object which would be entirely incapable of perceiving human communication. The puja chant is an invocation of a deified human being who has been dead for almost a quarter of a century. An icon of this deified human being rests on the back of a table on which is placed a tray and offerings. During the singing of the chant, which identifies the items on the table and in the room as offerings to this deity, some of these offerings are lifted from the table by the chanter and placed onto the tray. It cannot be doubted that the invocation of a deity or divine being is a prayer. Engel v. Vitale, supra, at 424. The religious nature of prayer has been recognized by many courts, e.g., Engel v. Vitale, supra;22 DeSpain v. Dekalb County Community School District, supra, and the proposition needs no further demonstration here. Although defendants have submitted well over 1500 pages of briefs, affidavits, and deposition testimony in opposing plaintiffs' motion for summary judgment, defendants have failed to raise the slightest doubt as to the facts or as to the religious nature of the teachings of the Science of Creative Intelligence and the puja. The teaching of the SCI/TM course in New Jersey public high schools violates the establishment clause of the first amendment, and its teaching must be enjoined. The judges ruling was upheld at the Appellate level and has been cited as precedent in McLean vs. Arkansas. J.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp
Herbs are basically bullshit. They are fine if you are fine, they will not heal problems already manifesting. That's why all gurus eventually go to medical doctors. - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From a friendly lurker Hey Rick I was just glancing at FFL and saw Shemp's post about being depressed. I would suggest he get a male hormone panel. Men at this age usually have a huge shift in the ratio of testosterone to estrogen and believe it or not there are ways to adjust this herbally and it might shift his mood. Thing is he has to be very careful who he goes to. Not an endocrinologist as they may want to use testosterone and that is the kiss of death. Only herbally and nutritionally For boosting testosterone and reducing estrogen dominance naturally, check out Dr. William Wong's websites: http://www.drwong.us/ http://www.naturalhealthpodcasts.com/podcasts.html To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... wrote: Meditation is for Self realization and God realization. Secular meditation simply does not exist. If Sufi meditation HELPS me to realize my Self and finally God I would accept it. You wouldn't? In my personal life, sure. In state-sponsored public schools? No. Meditation has many different purposes in many person's lives. Buddhism honors no god. Is it your feeling that Buddhists don't meditate? J.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Kirk, No offense taken! You actually touch on something that I agree with, all education is an experiment. I could rant about that, too. That being said, two wrongs don't make a right. I'd just as soon that education were more evidenced-based AND that TM not be taught in public schools. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: No offense John, but education is a myth. It works for a few. All education is an experiment. If you look at the WORKS of the educated then you know their education was an experiment in how to step in dogshit. - Original Message - From: John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknap...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools To be honest, I don't know if a nonreligious form of TM would be good for kids or not. Basically, what David Lynch, with inspiration from the late Maharishi, is proposing is large-scale psychological experimentation on school kids. I'm not aware of substantive research on the long-term effects of meditation on children. I imagine some will have abreactions, just as some adults do. Just as I think drugs with negative side-effects need to regulated and monitored, but may be taken safely by most people, it seems to me that many people enjoy their TM -- while a significant minority have problems such as depression, anxiety, dissociation, involuntary tics, etc. I'd sure be more comfortable if researchers would stick to experimenting on monkeys and leave the kids alone. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: The upcoming McCartney/Lynch Concert to benefit the David Lynch Foundation will raise funds to teach Transcendental Meditation in the public schools. Many critics feel this is a clear Church/State violation because of the religious trappings of Transcendental Meditation. A group of critics -- including James Randi, Barry Markovsky, Meera Nanda, Andrew Skolnick, myself, and others -- have organized a free web event to discuss this controversy. You may be interested in attending. You can find the details at http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html Since the ruling on TM, back in the late '70's, I can see our school system has really improved in so many ways... Do you really think that practicing TM in schools would be a bad thing? Do you think that ruling did anything to improve the quality of education or the quality of anything? R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... wrote: Meditation is for Self realization and God realization. Not when I do it. Secular meditation simply does not exist. Sure it does. Anyone who doesn't participate in the traditional religious interpretation of meditation experiences can enjoy it as a secular practice. And it is also not required to believe that you are experiencing something trans-personal just because it feels that way. If Sufi meditation HELPS me to realize my Self and finally God I would accept it. OK have fun. We are all free to interpret these experience as we wish. You wouldn't? I would rather sprinkle carpet tacks in my morning Kashi cereal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: John, one question: well several: 1) who is sponsoring your website about this stuff? 2) who sponsoring your media event about this stuff? 3) who is paying for your google advertising of the above? Inquiring minds, and all that. Lawson Hi, Lawson, The project began completely as my personal project with money coming from my pocket. Later, I did raise $500 to help defray the expenses, which run less than $1000, from two individuals with no organizational ties. (No one is Christian, or has ties to any religion to my knowledge). I'm waiting on a possible donation for another $500. Expenses include renting the room from WebEx and Internet advertising, which will run less than $150. Many other people have stepped forward to contribute video clips. A couple of people have also helped with promotion. There is no organization or other hidden sponsor of the event or any of my various websites. And the total costs are significantly less than the cost of a single TM initiation (in the US). Hope that's the info you were looking for. Feel free to ask for any further clarification I can offer. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: To be honest, I don't know if a nonreligious form of TM would be good for kids or not. Basically, what David Lynch, with inspiration from the late Maharishi, is proposing is large-scale psychological experimentation on school kids. I'm not aware of substantive research on the long-term effects of meditation on children. I imagine some will have abreactions, just as some adults do. Just as I think drugs with negative side-effects need to regulated and monitored, but may be taken safely by most people, it seems to me that many people enjoy their TM -- while a significant minority have problems such as depression, anxiety, dissociation, involuntary tics, etc. I'd sure be more comfortable if researchers would stick to experimenting on monkeys and leave the kids alone. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: The upcoming McCartney/Lynch Concert to benefit the David Lynch Foundation will raise funds to teach Transcendental Meditation in the public schools. Many critics feel this is a clear Church/State violation because of the religious trappings of Transcendental Meditation. A group of critics -- including James Randi, Barry Markovsky, Meera Nanda, Andrew Skolnick, myself, and others -- have organized a free web event to discuss this controversy. You may be interested in attending. You can find the details at http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html Since the ruling on TM, back in the late '70's, I can see our school system has really improved in so many ways... Do you really think that practicing TM in schools would be a bad thing? Do you think that ruling did anything to improve the quality of education or the quality of anything? R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
Well, it's been hinted that Hagelin was pretty much forced to write his paper That's interesting, who's doing the hinting? How recently was it hinted? I can imagine that Hagelin, having been trained as a physicist, and having worked with some of the best minds in the business would have been averse to making rash statements about the existence of a Unified Field. But these days it sounds like he's swallowed his own propaganda hook, line and sinker. Though a little bit of careful thinking would have told him that the very idea of a mathematically consistent theory of everything is contradicted by Maharishi's statements to the effect that PC is self-referential. We await the results from the LHC.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip But my despondency is big. And I have no one to blame but myself for the horrible mess I'm in. I'm actually considering calling a crisis line (no, not for suicide... I'm not having those thoughts), something I've never before done. Actually, it was sheer irresponsibility on my part and in my heart of hearts I knew it was not the right course of action. Now it's catching up to me. But I am beating myself up on it all. Because I feel I deserve to be beaten up for all the things I've fucked up on. For what its worth. Several years ago I had a dense black state. Inner and outer. Some views that helped me. Everything changes, nothing lasts for ever. I had a black state and circumstances and they seemed eternal. That was an illusion. Things changed. Pain is a strong sensation. You can feel it as just that, or interpret it as pain. Even as pleasure. We find what we expect to find. Good and bad things are both out there. I regularly expected to find good things. I found them. Its not a woo woo thing. Its an alertness thing. Small steps. When I was totally stuck, total inertia, it was a huge effort, but I found that I could take one small step. From there I re-evaluated. Can I take another small step? I learned from my fuck-ups. Loss and pain seems like a negative thing. But I found some loss and pain were the ripping away of things that were holding me down. When you rip a band-aid off, it can hurt. But it leads to a more healed state. When I lost somethings substantial, I became lighter and more agile.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Humiliation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I'd much rather live in a cardboard box under a freeway overpass. :-) Return ye ransomed non-meditator. I've always been a meditator. Still am. Just not a TM meditator. While I understand that many see not a TM meditator as equivalent to not a meditator, and that Nabby probably sees not a TM meditator as equivalent to a demon that deserves to be thrown in a hole so that I can cover him with dirt, not everyone sees things that way. :-) Hah, I just knew you are a meditator deep down! Yes, i always thot you were a meditator. Could just see it. Like, man you care way too much about real spirituality to not be one. A meditator, yeah like so many meditators around here so many in the domes. And, just as evidently not one of those meditators like up there. Obviously Not TM-TB'er. Evidently not the TM-cult type meditator nor TM Jersey Island crooked, like some up there. Om, oh they have let lots of meditators just like you in to the domes. Just got to know how to walk. You could proly easily be a meditator returned in the domes too. Don't count yourself out. You are a meditator like so many here still. Afterall, once a meditator always a meditator. Just not necessarily like one of those meditators like some up there. Actually, come out of your cardboard box you'd find yourself right at home in coffee shops here too with the meditating community as it is. Return the prodigal son.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
In my personal life, sure. In state-sponsored public schools? No. In my Country in state-sponsored public schools children have religion classes and they participating on the voluntary basis. Other confessions have the same chance. Nobody makes problems about that. Meditation has many different purposes in many person's lives. May have different purposes and effects but goal is the same. Buddhism honors no god. But it is religion. Is it your feeling that Buddhists don't meditate? They meditate of course, but the object or goal of their meditation they can call as they like... it's essentially the same as in other religions no matter they honors God or not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: tmo banking
Lol ! ... Your scheme is a reasonable as a Bar Mitzvah in a Bankok Brothel. That's not a valid argument. In any case most people with a knowledge of human nature would consider it very reasonable to suggest that an unaccountable organization which uses locations known for banking secrecy and which makes very sure that no one is allowed to question authority is very likely up to no good. A valid argument would be to show us the accounts. If we could get the details of the amount of money sent abroad from published accounts for donor nations and if we could get published accounts for the Indian charities then we can compare amounts and draw conclusions. Without being able to get hold of the accounts for India we can make a guess by comparison; the David Lynch financed projects around the world (which the Varma/Srivastava clan don't have financial control over) have yielded tens of thousands of children meditators for an outlay of just a few million in the last few years. In the last 20 years hundreds of millions have gone into India and we see only a few cheap buildings, and 1,500 pundits, plus of course the palace built for the Varma/Shrivastava clan. Mmmm.
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
Vaj wrote: The Marshy said they should. So they did... Ken Wilber pretty much agrees with the Marshy when it comes to meditation - Wilber is known for practiceing meditation techniques on a daily basis. Wilber co-wrote a review of spiritual teachers, and seems to approve of the practice of TM. From what I've read, Wilber's parents started TM practice some years ago. Read more: 'Spiritual Choices' The Problems of Recognizing Authentic Paths to Inner Transformation by Dick Anthony, Bruce Ecker, and Ken Wilber Paragon House, 1986 According to Wilber, the states of consciousness include: waking, dreaming, dreamless sleep, and nondual. Marshy seems to agree with this. Apparently Wilber ascribes to the 'two truths doctrine' of Nagarjuna. For Wilber no metaphysical doctrine or apparent reality is true in an absolute sense: only formless awareness, the simple feeling of being, exists absolutely. And tell me: is that story, sung by mystics and sages the world over, any crazier than the scientific materialism story, which is that the entire sequence is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying absolutely nothing? Listen very carefully: just which of those two stories actually sounds totally insane? Work cited: 'A Brief History of Everything' By Ken Wilber Shambhala, 2007 Page 42-3 Links of interest: Every deeply enlightened teacher I have known has been a Rude Boy or Nasty Girl. Ken Wilber: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber Dennis Genpo Merzel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Genpo_Merzel
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Secular meditation simply does not exist. Sure it does. You are claiming that secular meditation develops higher state of consciousness too. If you are right than Self realization/God realization are reachable by your secular meditation also. So what are the differences between them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: New element added to the periodic chart: Governmentium
What a wonderful description of the World Government of the Age of Englightenment aka Global Country of World Peace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: Research has led to the discovery of the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element, Governmentium (Gv), has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons, and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert; however, it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A tiny amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction normally taking less than a second, to take from four days to four years to complete. Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2-6 years. It does not decay, but undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes, not to mention multiple oxymorons. This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration. That hypothetical quantity might normally be called 'critical mass' but, in this unique case it is known as 'critical mess'. When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium (Am), another just-discovered element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.
[FairfieldLife] Eating Too Much Red Meat May Shorten Life
MONDAY, March 23 (HealthDay News) -- Diets high in red meat and in processed meat shorten life span not just from cancer and heart disease but from Alzheimer's, stomach ulcers and an array of other conditions as well, a U.S. National Cancer Institute study has found. In fact, reducing meat consumption to the amount eaten by the bottom 20 percent seen in the study would save 11 percent of men's lives and 16 percent of women's, according to the study. The consumption of red meat was associated with a modest increase in total mortality, said Rashmi Sinha, lead author of the study in the March 23 issue of Archives of Internal Medicine. This fits together with the findings of the American Institute for Cancer Research and the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Cancer Society, which recommend limiting the consumption of red meat, added Sinha, who is a senior investigator with the nutrition epidemiological branch in the cancer epidemiology and genetics division at the Cancer Institute. This is something new in the sense of mortality. Previous studies of red meat had mostly found an association with cancer incidence. The authors pointed out that many pooled studies had been conducted by vegetarian groups. Last year, U.S. National Cancer Institute researchers reported that a quarter-pound hamburger or a small pork chop eaten daily could put you at increased risk for a variety of cancers. The message from the latest study echoes that finding: The more red meat and processed meat you eat, the greater your risk for dying of cancer. But the American Meat Institute objected to the conclusion, saying in a statement that the study relied on notoriously unreliable self-reporting about what was eaten in the preceding five years. This imprecise approach is like relying on consumers' personal characterization of their driving habits in prior years in determining their likelihood of having an accident in the future. Meat is an excellent source of zinc, iron, B12 and other essential vitamins and minerals, the statement continued. The U.S. Dietary Guidelines say to eat a balanced diet that includes lean meat. In this way, you derive a wide array of nutrients from many different sources. It's the best return on a nutritional investment you can get. Dr. Michael Thun, vice president emeritus of epidemiology and surveillance research at the American Cancer Society, however, said the study's findings support previous studies and also support the American Cancer Society nutrition guidelines. Those guidelines include choosing fish, poultry or beans instead of beef, pork and lamb; choosing leaner cuts of meat; and baking, broiling or poaching meat rather than frying or charbroiling it. For the study, the researchers looked at what more than a half-million people, ages 50 to 71, were eating over the span of a decade. Participants tended to be white and educated with fewer smokers and more vegetable-and-fruit eaters than in the general population. During that time, more than 71,000 people died. Men and women eating the highest amount of red meat were found to have a 31 percent and 36 percent, respectively, higher risk of dying from any cause than those eating the least amount. Women eating the most processed meat were 25 percent more likely to die early than those eating the least of this type of meat, while men had a 16 percent increased risk, the study found. Causes of death for those in the study included diabetes, Alzheimer's disease, ulcers, pneumonia, influenza, liver disease, HIV, tuberculosis, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and more. Dying from cancer also was more likely among those eating the most red meat: 22 percent higher for men, 20 percent for women. The risk for death from cancer increased 12 percent for men and 11 percent for women who ate the greatest amount of processed meat. Similarly, the risk of dying from cardiovascular disease was higher by 27 percent for men and 50 percent for women; for processed red meat, the risk was 9 percent higher for men and 38 percent higher for women. However, people who ate the most white meat showed a lower risk of dying. The authors also noted a 24 percent higher risk of dying from heart problems among men who had never smoked and who ate more white meat. Women faced a 20 percent higher risk. Meat contains many carcinogens as well as saturated fat, which might explain the increased mortality risk, the authors stated. Dr. Jay Brooks, chairman of hematology/oncology at Ochsner Health System in Baton Rouge, La., described the study's findings as provocative. The question is how much of it is the meat and how much is the extra calories, Brooks said. Calories per se are a strong determinant for death from cancer and heart disease. This should make us think about our calorie intake. More information The American Dietetic Association has more on healthy eating. SOURCES: Rashmi Sinha, Ph.D., senior
[FairfieldLife] Two Silver Trees
Pleasant tasty diversionary snippet of tune and imagery Two Silver Trees by Calexico http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCA0_bNXAao
[FairfieldLife] Those poor demonized lobbyists
Oh woes! Lobbyists are joining those other poor souls, Wall Street bankers, on the list of the persecuted. From Roll Call - The Newspaper of Capitol Hill Since 1955: Irate over the demonization of their profession, lobbyists say they will push back against a new White House directive aimed at limiting lobbyists' influence on how the government doles out $787 billion in stimulus funds. The Obama administration memo released Friday says lobbyists cannot meet or speak with executive branch officials regarding specific stimulus projects or applications. Instead, lobbyists are relegated to submitting written comments about stimulus funding, which will be posted publicly within three business days. Lobbyists may talk with administration officials as long as the conversation is about general Recovery Act policy issues, according to the memo. However, executive branch and agency staff must still document the date of those meetings, who was at the meetings and what was discussed for the public to review within three business days. Several lobbyists e-mailed back and forth furiously over the weekend, expressing their outrage over the new rules and the possibility that the Obama administration might expand the provisions beyond the stimulus package. It's setting up a behavior of discrimination of law-abiding citizens, American League of Lobbyists President David Wenhold said about the new rules. Wenhold, who has been fielding e-mails and calls from upset members, said ALL is in discussions with its board over what action it should take. While the ALL board has made no decisions yet, Wenhold said it is keeping all options open, including litigation. This smacks of segregation, discrimination, and I honestly feel it is unconstitutional, Wenhold said. Some lobbyists, such as Golin Harris' Michael Fulton, said the new policy is not only upsetting but will also end up hurting Obama's goal of jump-starting the economy. I am personally offended, and so are many of our clients, Fulton said. The White House and the president need to understand that the lobbying community is part of the solution, not the problem. == == == How dare the Obama Administration limit the ability of lobbyists to use insider connections to purchase and cajole favors and legislation and make all contacts with administration officials part of the public record? It's unconstitutional! It's too bad the link is subscription only, because the whining of these lobbyists is almost shocking and must be read to be believed. One whines that making their contacts public is needing to go through all these hoops, another cries that the rules make them second-class citizens (as if any regular citizen can get an appointment with administration officials to garner billions in stimulus dollars). And of course, there's the quote about segregation, since lobbyists are fighting for the exact same rights that Martin Luther King fought for. I am particularly struck how these lobbyists, like Wall Street bankers, think they are entitled to the trappings of privilege. But while Wall Street feels entitled to their wealth, these guys feel entitled to their access to power. What seems like common sense restrictions on their access to government -- access no regular citizen enjoys -- to them is a personal affront. Let those lobbyists push back. In fact, I hope they do. They haven't seen demonization the likes we'd dish out if they really try to push these arguments into the public or legal realms. Times are tough, and the last thing America wants to hear is a bunch of spoiled assholes whining about how their corrupting powers are being curtailed. They can truly go fuck themselves. If only Congress would enact similar rules, we'd be that much closer to an ethical congress, not bought and paid for by shadowy interests. ~~ Markos Moulitsas http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/3/24/712350/-Those-poor,-demonized-lobbyists http://snipurl.com/egv7x
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
On Mar 24, 2009, at 11:06 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: Well, it's been hinted that Hagelin was pretty much forced to write his paper That's interesting, who's doing the hinting? How recently was it hinted? In message #139273, Patrick Gillam shared his recollection (emphases mine), in regards to touring the country promoting the idea of consciousness as the unified field, not sure who I spoke to specifically on the paper, but I've heard this same story from different people: I'm trying to summon a memory of a conversation with a former assistant of John Hagelin. This would have been the late 1980s or early '90s. As I recall, she said John was under pressure from Maharishi to tour the country, telling scientists that consciousness was indeed the unified field. John resisted, saying his research partners would frown upon it, and more to the point, it wasn't such a slam-dunk parallel. But Maharishi persisted, ultimately saying, If you won't do it, I'll find someone who will. So John did it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp
Hmmm? So 'herbs' are worthless if one has problems already manifesting! Inneresting Herbs are basically bullshit. They are fine if you are fine, they will not heal problems already manifesting. That's why all gurus eventually go to medical doctors. - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_ stan...@yahoo. com To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From a friendly lurker Hey Rick I was just glancing at FFL and saw Shemp's post about being depressed. I would suggest he get a male hormone panel. Men at this age usually have a huge shift in the ratio of testosterone to estrogen and believe it or not there are ways to adjust this herbally and it might shift his mood. Thing is he has to be very careful who he goes to. Not an endocrinologist as they may want to use testosterone and that is the kiss of death. Only herbally and nutritionally. ... For boosting testosterone and reducing estrogen dominance naturally, check out Dr. William Wong's websites: http://www.drwong. us/ http://www.naturalh ealthpodcasts. com/podcasts. html - - -- To subscribe, send a message to: FairfieldLife- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com Or go to: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/FairfieldL ife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency
shempmcgurk wrote: Actually, it was sheer irresponsibility on my part and in my heart of hearts I knew it was not the right course of action. Now it's catching up to me. But I am beating myself up on it all. Because I feel I deserve to be beaten up for all the things I've fucked up on. Some people feel better when they have someone to talk to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Secular meditation simply does not exist. Sure it does. Zoran Krneta wrote: So what are the differences between them? There is no difference. Meditation means simply to thinks things over. TM is based on thinking, and hardly a person could be found that doesn't think. Meditation is just what intelligent people do! According to Maharishi, TM is the passing of the cognitive attention from one level of consciousness to another, sutler level of consciousness. This passing back and forth between the gross and finer levels of consciousness is what makes possible the opportunity for transcending. First, there is just thought; then the bija-mantra occurs spontaneously, just like any other thought. In TM, when the thought process reaches the finest level of awareness, thought drops off and the practitioner is left all by his Self. How to Be? Stop being active, but don't become passive. That is, stop being active, but don't fall asleep. Just Be. Enjoy the pure consciousness. Just be aware of being aware. Just go in and meditate, then come out and radiate! It's that simple.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Samadhi Smarat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: A spectacular sight to be seen on the banks of the auspicious Triveni Sangam (the confluence of the three holy rivers: Ganges, Yamuna and Saraswati), and visible everywhere from the city of Prayag (Allahabad). The architecture is the best and most advanced Samadhi Mandir construction, fully carved inside and outside, without any iron, completely built with interlocking stones and beams. . . . 1. Sompura Stapathi with two of his supervisors have spent 3 days on site coordinating the plans. 2. Foundation markings have been done and digging work started today. 3. A team of civil contractors have reviewed the plans and are ready to get involved. 4. The Marble order was placed 5. Jeselmer stone ordered. 6. First marble lot will arrive in a day or two to Sompura Jiâs factory to start carving work. 7. Crane is arriving on site in the next few days. 8. Two supervisors are making all necessary arrangements at site. 9. Space is being readied for about 50 workers to live on our campus at site location. 10. On site equipment are in service now. 11. Stones from previous stock are under sorting for cleaning. Photos and Images of construction will be available soon. To participate financially: http://maharishisamadhi.org/participation.html Ozymandius by: Percy Bysshe Shelley I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand, Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things, The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear: My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains: round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, The lone and level sands stretch far away.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknap...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: snip On the other hand, I know of a court in New Jersey that ruled TM was religious and had no place in public schools. As you know, it was TM *plus SCI* that was ruled a religious teaching under the definition used to protect the First Amendment (i.e., the government was not allowed to fund it, even by making school facilities available for it). This is accurate, Judy. But I'm not sure that it substantially changes my point. The judge went on at great length about both the puja and SCI separately as being religious in nature. What you go on to quote was from the ruling at the district court level. To understand the entire case it's necessary to read the appeals court's ruling and Judge Adams's concurring opinion. (See the end of this post for links to the ruling and opinion.) The constitutional reasoning is quite complex and subtle. To reduce it to a flat ruled that TM was religious is disingenuous in this context, in which SCI does not appear to be involved. It would be my guess that, if someone were to challenge DLF's program in court, that the puja alone would be sufficient to keep TM out of the schools. Maybe. But in his concurring opinion in the appeals court ruling, Judge Adams wrote: It is not meant to suggest that the Puja has no relationship to the ultimate issue of this case. In my view, however, the chant is only one factor to be considered in determining whether SCI/TM itself is a religion. The Puja, because of its ceremonial aspects, may be supportive of the answer supplied to that question, but *it does not answer it by itself*. Moreover, *even if the Puja alone were found to be religious*, the proper remedy might well be to enjoin that particular ceremony only, and not to interdict the entire SCI/TM course. (emphases added) In other words, Judge Adams thinks the puja *might* be found to be religious but doesn't assert that it is. In the rest of his opinion, he argues that SCI *is* religious in nature, so he does not need to address the question of whether TM with puja but without SCI would be constitutionally permissible. In discussing the various precedents for the ruling, he does not find any of them that are close enough to the way the puja was performed (off school grounds, on Sundays, etc.) or the nature of the puja itself (in Sanskrit, which the student is assumed not to understand, etc.) to be adequate. It isn't clear how the puja will be handled in connection with Lynch's program. It would make sense for it to be done as it was in New Jersey. A couple of quotes from the Malnak vs. Yogi judgment (archived at http://trancenet.net/law/nj1.html): Dead link, John. As noted, what you quote is the district court's decision, not the appeals court ruling, which said little about the puja. Judge Adams, as I read his opinion, calls in question the district court's justification for holding that the puja per se met the standards set by precedent for a religious activity, as I suggested above, leaving that issue open. Here's what the appeals court ruling said about the puja: To acquire his mantra, a meditator must attend a ceremony called a 'puja.' Every student who participated in the SCI/TM course was required to attend a puja as part of the course. A puja was performed by the teacher for each student individually; it was conducted off school premises on a Sunday; and the student was required to bring some fruit, flowers and a white handkerchief. During the puja the student stood or sat in front of a table while the teacher sang a chant and made offerings to a deified 'Guru Dev.' Each puja lasted between one and two hours. (It's not clear what the error about the length of the puja was based on; most likely the instruction, the first meditation, and the immediate follow-up after the meditation were mistakenly included in the purported length of the ceremony itself.) snip (This is from the district court's ruling:) Defendants seek to characterize the puja as a ceremony of gratitude, and apparently so represent it to the New Jersey high school students. It is difficult to understand why defendants label the puja a ceremony of gratitude because the English translation of the chant fails to reveal one word of gratefulness or thanksgiving. Rather, the puja takes the form of a double invocation of Guru Dev. Putting this difficulty aside for the moment, the question arises as to whom this gratitude is being expressed. Defendants have answered this question by stating that the gratitude is given to the tradition of teachers who have preserved this teaching, Jarvis Affidavit P. 11, to the knowledge named in the chant is said to have possessed, Jarvis Deposition at 1006, and to the prior teachers
Re: [FairfieldLife] More despondency
shempmcgurk wrote: I can really identify with Kirk today. I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling really, really low. I've lost almost all confidence in myself. And I cry a lot (yeah, that's pretty sappy considering that I'm a 54 year old male). Any kind words or advise (yes, I'm asking!) directed my way will be very welcome. What's going on in your horoscope? I don't know if you believe in astrology but I see symptoms of bad transits and even dasha changes going on right now with some people on this group. Especially the dasha change if you've been in one long one and the next one is a different them can take a little time to get into the swing of. The thing to remember is these things don't last forever. And of course the economy is driving people nuts. Except for folks who saw this coming most people assumed that there might be a negative blip and then things would get back on course. Instead we're seeing a big apocalyptic science fiction movie playing out in front of us. The key there is not to be attached to it. I laugh about the situation a lot though it is not a laughing matter. I just wonder, where were all the grownups?
[FairfieldLife] For Shemp [despondency]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just pointing out that it could be the former. Doesn't really matter. Would you consider seeking out some counseling? Yes. A friend suggested I call a crisis hotline. I've got the number off the internet and it's sitting on my table. Now, it's just a matter of getting up the nerve to call. FWIW to you coming from me Shemp, I wish you the best. I've had my own serious personal black times and I truly know how devastatingly bad it can feel and be. -DO- get some assistance. It's readily available to you. I will tell you that apart from medical help - one thing that helped me is remembering that it will pass - even when I didn't see how it could. The dark stuff REALLY DOES pass. From Maharishi: == It may be that the clouds are gathered. Let them come and go. They go as they come. Take no notice of their coming. You go your way, make your way through the clouds, if they lie on the way. Do not try to dispel them, do not be held by them, they will go the way they have come. They are never found stationary. But, if you would like to pause to see them wither away, wait for a while the wind is blowing anyway. It is to clear the clouds from your way. Just wait to see the clouds wither away, and the sun, the same old sun of love will shine again in fullness of its glory. When night comes, all appears to be dark, but darkness does not last. The light of the dawn comes on and spreads the love and charm of life. So we shall not mind if the darkness of the night sets in for a while. For the light of love can, for certain, not be gone forever. ~Maharishi - Love and God, excerpt
Re: [FairfieldLife] Eating Too Much Red Meat May Shorten Life
Wouldn't it be a better world if men ate twice as much red meat? Is the value of men over rated anyway? Could be a way of reducing the male population. MONDAY, March 23 (HealthDay News) -- Diets high in red meat and in processed meat shorten life span not just from cancer and heart disease but from Alzheimer's, stomach ulcers and an array of other conditions as well, a U.S. National Cancer Institute study has found. In fact, reducing meat consumption to the amount eaten by the bottom 20 percent seen in the study would save 11 percent of men's lives and 16 percent of women's, according to the study. The consumption of red meat was associated with a modest increase in total mortality, said Rashmi Sinha, lead author of the study in the March 23 issue of Archives of Internal Medicine. This fits together with the findings of the American Institute for Cancer Research and the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Cancer Society, which recommend limiting the consumption of red meat, added Sinha, who is a senior investigator with the nutrition epidemiological branch in the cancer epidemiology and genetics division at the Cancer Institute. This is something new in the sense of mortality. Previous studies of red meat had mostly found an association with cancer incidence. The authors pointed out that many pooled studies had been conducted by vegetarian groups. Last year, U.S. National Cancer Institute researchers reported that a quarter-pound hamburger or a small pork chop eaten daily could put you at increased risk for a variety of cancers. The message from the latest study echoes that finding: The more red meat and processed meat you eat, the greater your risk for dying of cancer. But the American Meat Institute objected to the conclusion, saying in a statement that the study relied on notoriously unreliable self-reporting about what was eaten in the preceding five years. This imprecise approach is like relying on consumers' personal characterization of their driving habits in prior years in determining their likelihood of having an accident in the future. Meat is an excellent source of zinc, iron, B12 and other essential vitamins and minerals, the statement continued. The U.S. Dietary Guidelines say to eat a balanced diet that includes lean meat. In this way, you derive a wide array of nutrients from many different sources. It's the best return on a nutritional investment you can get. Dr. Michael Thun, vice president emeritus of epidemiology and surveillance research at the American Cancer Society, however, said the study's findings support previous studies and also support the American Cancer Society nutrition guidelines. Those guidelines include choosing fish, poultry or beans instead of beef, pork and lamb; choosing leaner cuts of meat; and baking, broiling or poaching meat rather than frying or charbroiling it. For the study, the researchers looked at what more than a half-million people, ages 50 to 71, were eating over the span of a decade. Participants tended to be white and educated with fewer smokers and more vegetable-and- fruit eaters than in the general population. During that time, more than 71,000 people died. Men and women eating the highest amount of red meat were found to have a 31 percent and 36 percent, respectively, higher risk of dying from any cause than those eating the least amount. Women eating the most processed meat were 25 percent more likely to die early than those eating the least of this type of meat, while men had a 16 percent increased risk, the study found. Causes of death for those in the study included diabetes, Alzheimer's disease, ulcers, pneumonia, influenza, liver disease, HIV, tuberculosis, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and more. Dying from cancer also was more likely among those eating the most red meat: 22 percent higher for men, 20 percent for women. The risk for death from cancer increased 12 percent for men and 11 percent for women who ate the greatest amount of processed meat. Similarly, the risk of dying from cardiovascular disease was higher by 27 percent for men and 50 percent for women; for processed red meat, the risk was 9 percent higher for men and 38 percent higher for women. However, people who ate the most white meat showed a lower risk of dying.. The authors also noted a 24 percent higher risk of dying from heart problems among men who had never smoked and who ate more white meat. Women faced a 20 percent higher risk. Meat contains many carcinogens as well as saturated fat, which might explain the increased mortality risk, the authors stated. Dr. Jay Brooks, chairman of hematology/oncology at Ochsner Health System in Baton Rouge, La., described the study's findings as provocative. The question is how much of it is the meat and how much is the extra calories, Brooks said. Calories per se are a strong
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: snip I'd sure be more comfortable if researchers would stick to experimenting on monkeys and leave the kids alone. Naah, how could anybody possibly think John Knapp was rabidly anti-TM? Rabidly?? ..it seems to me that many people enjoy their TM -- while a significant minority have problems such as depression, anxiety, dissociation, involuntary tics, etc. Every once in a while John's mask slips, and what's behind his lip service to TM--such as that in your quote--gets inadvertently spat out in all its ugliness.
[FairfieldLife] What TMers and anti-TMers have in common (was Re: Free Web Event)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip Doncha think it's fascinating that graduates of TMO indoctrination use *exactly the same techniques* to present their arguments and demonize the other side? One of your more stupid posts, Barry. No matter who uses it, or how valid one side's use of it may be compared to that of the other side, the approach you describe isn't peculiar to TM. That you try to portray it as such when it obviously isn't is yet another example of your creative writing, what you call thinking for yourself--i.e., thinking that exists only in your own mind without any reference to real life. * These people (the TMO or John Knapp, et al) are not to be trusted. * These people (the TMO or John Knapp, et al) have a hidden agenda. * These people (the TMO or John Knapp, et al) are really in it for the money. * These people (the TMO or John Knapp, et al) have a history, and that history says more about them than their own words do. Plug the Democrats or the Republicans into the parentheticals (or Geithner and leftwing bloggers, or Hillary or Obama), and it becomes immediately obvious that while Barry may think for himself, he does it very, very poorly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... wrote: Secular meditation simply does not exist. Sure it does. You are claiming that secular meditation develops higher state of consciousness too. No I'm not. I don't see any evidence that they do. I think meditation heightens an awareness of an aspect of our mind that has a small role in who we are or how we perform in the world. Calling it a higher state is like claiming that my foot is the highest part of my body. If you are right than Self realization/God realization are reachable by your secular meditation also. I don't know how you got that from what I wrote. So what are the differences between them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: Having re-read my list of things I do to keep my mental head above water, I just want to declare everything I wrote as bullshit as a response to Shemp and Kirk's issues. If you guys are seriously depressed I hope you get some medical help and ignore idiots like me spouting irrelevant, although well-meaning, drivel. Sometimes people are depressed for good reasons and need to make big changes to get their lives back on track. I hope you both can find some competent professionals to help you with the inner resources you will need to pull it off. My overall intention was to say I give a shit and wish you guys the best, and I should have left it at that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: I was touched by this and by Judy's sincere post. This is real live shit. I have some core principles that work for me. Judy hit the basics of rest and exercise and eating well and that is really critical in my experience. If you are ragged out you will feel like shit. Vince Lambarde told the Green Bay Packers, Fatigue makes cowards of us all. In my life I gotta say that TM is not rest. Sleep is rest. TM is something else. It creates fatigue somehow. You have to find your own balance on this. But be wary of inward practices. You may need to focus outwards to find your bliss. Exercise creates energy. Hard, makes-you-sweat exercise. And exercise is the opposite physiology of being depressed. I would like to up the ante and include eating things that make you feel joy. If you haven't been to a real cheese shop lately I recommend a trip. Sounds trite till you put a piece of soft sheep cheese in your mouth! Sensuality is a form of spirituality that I'm sure Kirk will understand. I could get up every day in joy if I only had a heat source to cook with, I love food that much. Mentally I rely on Rational Emotive Therapy to get me through the thought distortions that make me think that life is more or less than what I can DO to make myself happy. If I only had guitar to live for it would work for me but YMMV. Sometimes trip to to a pro is the ticket, I have heard. I don't doubt that. I have underutilized this resource except in books. Time to get your support base off FFL in line, call an old friend up. We all need love and it may have been a while since you told someone how much they mean to you. You might be surprised how much you mean to them if you give them a chance to express it. I've been on the cliff too. I faced the meaninglessness and chose my own meaning. I'm getting better at focusing in on what matters for my life. I'm taking it day by day. Every day I choose what matters to me and how I can matter to others. Some days I totally suck at it. Others give me hope. Hope is more innocent than faith. It works for me. I was touched by people here really giving a shit about online personalities. We are naturally caring creatures. That is beautiful. Shempster, glad I may be one of the first to respond here. First, there are probably a lot of us who are never more than a hairs breath away from crying. Second, just don't give up, even when you feel like it. Put one step ahead of the other, and continue to go forward. Sounds trite, I know, but if you keep plugging away, things fall into place one way or another. Other than that, you can't push depression out the door. You have to process it in some manner, and then sometimes it may just lift. Kind of like when you have a persistent headache, and suddenly it goes away, and your not even aware that it has gone away until after the fact. Wishing you the best. lurk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I can really identify with Kirk today. I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling really, really low. I've lost almost all confidence in myself. And I cry a lot (yeah, that's pretty sappy considering that I'm a 54 year old male). Any kind words or advise (yes, I'm asking!) directed my way will be very welcome.
[FairfieldLife] Movie on Ayurveda
From a friend: I really enjoyed this film. It shows different Vaidyas and clinics in India. One of the Vaidya is very involved in making rasayanas from precious gems, metals and herbs, and it shows him making these. ~~ AYURVEDA - ART OF BEING (FILM) http://www.ayurvedafilm.com/ Watch online at: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=AYURVEDA+%E2%80%93+ART+OF+BEINGemb=0 aq=f http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=AYURVEDA+%E2%80%93+ART+OF+BEINGemb=0; aq=f# Ayurveda.Art.of.Being.2001 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6768804779334617069ei=rwnESce1E43 a-QH9yeGoDgq=AYURVEDA+%E2%80%93+ART+OF+BEING Ayurveda is science of life and art of healing; where body, mind and spirit are given equal importance. This voyage of thousands of miles across India and abroad takes you on a unique poetic journey, where we encounter remarkable men of medicine or simply a villager who lives in harmony with nature. Hope is nature's way of enabling us to survive so that we can discover nature itself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: snip I went to the doctor last week and he prescribed Xanax for me. But I refuse to even fill the prescription. I've seen members of my own family get on this sorts of drugs and it fucks them up for a lifetime. Whether that would happen to you is another question entirely. People's reactions to drugs are highly individual. But if you're willing to try herbal remedies, have you looked into St. John's wort? Some people with depression have had good results with it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] An Informed opinion on musicians of the 60's
Vaj wrote: It seemed to me those that got into drugs were trying to emulate the high the got being on the stage. It can give you a feeling like you're on top of the world, of great elation and invulnerability. Maybe for the next half generation but most musicians got into drugs, as I pointed out in another post, to calm down. Bright people are often high strung and easily get nervous on stage. When I taught music privately my best students were high strung and really understood the concepts, practiced diligently and had their lessons down the following week when they returned. Then they would get nervous in front of me and blow it. I had to teach them to practically be half asleep when playing to calm down enough and just play. Musicians basically got into drugs, mainly smoking grass, to be calm on stage. If it got in the way then they would cut back on usage. Some would use heavier drugs sort of to be in their own world when performing. Meth, however. would be a lousy performance drug because it would make them even higher strung. But did know musicians who used it but not for performing. Meditation solved the problem for me and I spread it to other musician friends. A lot of bands I played in were all meditator. Drugs are a bad substitute. And ayurveda is another method since if one gets deep into it one can control how one is functioning when they need to play. High vata = high strung.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ wrote: Meditation is for Self realization and God realization. Not when I do it. Secular meditation simply does not exist. Sure it does. Anyone who doesn't participate in the traditional religious interpretation of meditation experiences can enjoy it as a secular practice. And it is also not required to believe that you are experiencing something trans-personal just because it feels that way. Wait. How does this jibe with your objection to Lynch's program?
[FairfieldLife] Teaching young people meditation (McCartney/lynch concert)
In posting here , doesn't mean i agree with the views of others who post here. When I learned TM as a young school student , the presentation as i perceived it, was that, even though we where to give flowers and cloth , the teaching was non religious and the teacher does the puja and we where not to be involved.I wondered about this, and thought NO devotion? how cruel is that, so while standing at the paja, the only exception to this cruelty was that I must be Guru Dev.Is there any other explanation? The question about this promotion to me would be, can the movement handle more Guru Devs. And with that being said , it must be added that we do not charge for the teaching of meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: ..it seems to me that many people enjoy their TM -- while a significant minority have problems such as depression, anxiety, dissociation, involuntary tics, etc. Every once in a while John's mask slips, and what's behind his lip service to TM--such as that in your quote--gets inadvertently spat out in all its ugliness. What phrase do you object to? If your job is helping people who do have problems like the late Margret Singer then the reality of such a population is just a fact. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: snip I'd sure be more comfortable if researchers would stick to experimenting on monkeys and leave the kids alone. Naah, how could anybody possibly think John Knapp was rabidly anti-TM? Rabidly?? ..it seems to me that many people enjoy their TM -- while a significant minority have problems such as depression, anxiety, dissociation, involuntary tics, etc. Every once in a while John's mask slips, and what's behind his lip service to TM--such as that in your quote--gets inadvertently spat out in all its ugliness.
[FairfieldLife] Why there are no Pleiadians...
Interdimensional beings such as the Pleiadian's, Serians and Arcturians are just a few of the advanced races that will be overseeing a new economic system in place. This new system will be based on small family groups taking care of one another through bartering and good karma credits of service. Have you ever noticed how our space brothers always, always, always seem to hail from one of the very few *known* astronomical sources? In this case, the Pleiades, Sirius, and Arcturus? Like the Pleiades, Sirius is very well-known, actually the brightest-appearing star in the sky, while Arcturus is also well-known, a bright first-magnitude star. The point I want to make here is that, while astronomers estimate the mass of our galaxy to be as high as 400 billion stars, our space brothers always, always, always seem to hail from one of the maybe 40 or so famous stars/star clusters/constellations. What are the chances? Really, what are the chances? Well, the chances of a space brother coming from any one *name* or *no-name* heavenly body is, obviously, approximately 1 in 400 billion, while the chances of a space brother coming from one of the maybe 40 *name* heavenly bodies is approximately 40 in 400 billion, or 1 in 10 billion, while the chances of all the space brothers all coming from *name* heavenly bodies is, of course, astronomically higher than 1 in 10 billion. Here's further proof of how this is all mood-making. Have you ever noticed how our space brothers never seem to hail from Scorpius and Sagittarius? Most of the stars in our galaxy are in the direction of Scorpius and Sagittarius, since those two constellations are situated in the direction of the galaxy center. Shouldn't at last some of our space brothers, if not most, come from where most of the stars are? Take a look at these photos of our galaxy center and see if you think there are too few stars around for at least one or two of our space brothers to hail from: http://www.pixheaven.net/voir_us.php?taille=grandnom=080701_8603-12traits http://www.capella-observatory.com/ImageHTMLs/StarFields/Milkyway1.htm Can anyone guess why not a single one of our space brothers comes from Scorpius and Sagittarius? ANYONE? It's simple, really. It's because when a channeller makes up a lame story about a space brother, the so-called channeller does not want the space brother to hail from any of the so-called zodiacal constellations, of which Scorpius and Sagittarius are two, because that would belittle their channelled bullcrap by associating it with astrology. That is the simple reason why none of our space brothers are ever reported to come from the very, very well-known household-name constellations of Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpius, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces. Recognize your sign? A space brother coming from your astrological sign? No way! It's much more believable if the space brother hails from a heavenly body that is a ten billion to one shot. Or even if all space brothers hail from heavenly bodies that are a ten billion to one shot. Why there are no Pleiadians. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Mar 24, 2009, at 11:06 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: Well, it's been hinted that Hagelin was pretty much forced to write his paper That's interesting, who's doing the hinting? How recently was it hinted? In message #139273, Patrick Gillam shared his recollection (emphases mine), in regards to touring the country promoting the idea of consciousness as the unified field, not sure who I spoke to specifically on the paper, but I've heard this same story from different people: I'm trying to summon a memory of a conversation with a former assistant of John Hagelin. This would have been the late 1980s or early '90s. As I recall, she said John was under pressure from Maharishi to tour the country, telling scientists that consciousness was indeed the unified field. John resisted, saying his research partners would frown upon it, and more to the point, it wasn't such a slam-dunk parallel. But Maharishi persisted, ultimately saying, If you won't do it, I'll find someone who will. So John did it. I've long had the feeling that his absurd ranting on the Marshy channel is an attempt to convince himself as much as anyone else.
[FairfieldLife] Gov. Palin Alaska's Biggest Disaster!
This isanother reason why we all need to keep informed and do what little we can do to encourage greater communication and action. Here's where reading and sitting around just isn't enough. Every voice can be heard by many by putting it out there. All these religious myths are an example - not an overnite answer to those who can't see or hear or, just are not cued up for all important matters like this one. Arhata Search ResultsNews results for 20th anniversary of Exxon spill20th Anniversary of Exxon Valdez Disaster - 3 hours ago The March 24, 1989 Exxon Valdez tanker oil spill blackened hundreds of kilometres of ... to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the spill on March 24, 2009. ...CTV.ca - 343 related articles » Stick Your Damn Hand In It: 20th Birthday of the Exxon Valdez Lie Submitted by Greg_Palast. Edited By nicole_powers. Gail, Please! Stick your hand in it! The petite Eskimo-Chugach woman gave me that you-dumb-ass-white-boy look. Gail, Gail. STICK YOUR GODDAMN HAND IN IT! She stuck it in, under the gravel of the beach at Sleepy Bay, her village's fishing ground. Gail's hand came up dripping with black, sickening goo. It could make you vomit. Oil from the Exxon Valdez. It was already two years after the spill and Exxon had crowed that Mother Nature had happily cleaned up their stinking oil mess for them. It was a lie.. But the media wouldn't question the bald-faced bullshit. And who the hell was going to investigate Exxon's claim way out in some godforsaken Native village in the Prince William Sound? So I convinced the Natives to fly the lazy-ass reporters out to Sleepy Bay on rented float planes to see the oil that Exxon said wasn't there. The reporters looked, but didn't see it, because it was three inches under their feet, under the shingle rock of the icy beach. Gail pulled out her hand and now the whole place smelled like a gas station. The network crews wanted to puke. And now, with their eyes open, they saw the oil, the vile feces-colored smear across the glaciated ridge faces, the poisonous bathtub ring that ran for miles and miles at the high tide level. And it's still there. Less for sure. But twenty years later. IT'S STILL THERE, GODDAMNIT. And I want YOU, dear reader, to stick your hand in it. I want YOU, President Obama, to stick your hand in it before you blithely fulfill your Palin-esque campaign promise for a little more offshore drilling. *** Tuesday marks the 20th Anniversary of the Exxon Valdez grounding and the smearing of 1,200 miles of Alaska's coastline with its oil. It also marks the 20th Anniversary of a lie. Lots of lies: catalogued in a four-volume investigation of the disaster; four volumes you'll never see. I wrote that report, with my team of investigators working with the Natives preparing fraud and racketeering charges against Exxon. You'll never see the report because Exxon lawyers threatened the Natives, Mention the f-word [fraud] and you'll never get a dime of compensation to clean up the villages. The Natives agreed to drop the fraud charge -- and Exxon stiffed them on the money. You're surprised, right? *** Doubtless, for the 20th Anniversary of the Great Spill, the media will schlep out that old story that the tanker ran aground because its captain was drunk at the wheel. Bullshit. Yes, the captain was three sheets to the wind -- but sleeping it off below-decks. The ship was in the hands of the third mate who was driving blind. That is, the Exxon Valdez' Raycas radar system was turned off; turned off because it was busted and had been busted since its maiden voyage. Exxon didn't want to spend the cash to fix it. So the man at the helm, electronically blindfolded, drove it up onto the reef. So why the story of the drunken skipper? Because it lets Exxon off the hook: Calling it a case of drunk driving turns the disaster into a case of human error, not corporate penny-pinching greed. Indeed, the human error tale was the hook used by the Bush-stacked Supreme Court to slash the punitive damages awarded against Exxon by 90%, from $5 billion, to half a billion for 30,000 Natives and fishermen. Chief Justice John Roberts erased almost all of the payment due with the la-dee-dah comment, What more can a corporation do? Well, here's what they could have done: Besides fix the radar, Exxon could have set out equipment to contain the spill. Containing a spill is actually quite simple. Stick a rubber skirt around the oil slick and suck it back up. The law requires it and Exxon promised it. So, when the tanker hit, where was the rubber skirt and where was the sucker? Answer: The rubber skirt, called boom -- was a fiction. Exxon promised to have it sitting right there near the Native village at Bligh Reef. The oil company fulfilled that promised the cheap way: they lied. And the lie was engineered at the very top. After the spill, we got our hands on a series of memos describing a secret
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Samadhi Smarat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://maharishisamadhi.org/ I sure hope that the Mandaps (special name for a gaudy building) has a place for us to buy a stick of incense to burn in the temple so that Maharishi can hear our prayers and intercede for us with those wild gods with all the arms (especially the chick ones who look like they could really kick some natural law ass. I'm talking about you Durga Ma!) When Maharishi hears your prayers it is like getting friended on Myspace by God, and it only takes a few rupies in the till for each prayer for this blessing. When I take my pilgrimage I'm gunna take different shirts and go in and out of the temple for each prayer request each time with a different look so that the disembodied Maharishi doesn't think I'm being greedy with each request incense cuz I've got a lot of needs that have gone unfulfilled by a certain unnamed Mother O' God who has taken a boatload of candle/cash prayer requests and has delivered bupkiss so far. (NOT so full of Grace apparently!) His Divine Holiness, Sri Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Karuna Vataram Never before and never again. 12 January 1917 - 5 February 2008 In Our Hearts Forever A spectacular sight to be seen on the banks of the auspicious Triveni Sangam (the confluence of the three holy rivers: Ganges, Yamuna and Saraswati), and visible everywhere from the city of Prayag (Allahabad). The architecture is the best and most advanced Samadhi Mandir construction, fully carved inside and outside, without any iron, completely built with interlocking stones and beams. The Mandaps of Knowledge A giant Vedic Gate will greet pilgrims and visitors, situated at the beginning of a 200 meter connecting, raised, pilgrimage pathway leading to the Smarak (memorial of knowledge). On the right and left of this road will be 12 Mandaps (halls of knowledge) displaying and illustrating Maharishiâs supreme knowledge in exhibitions and electronic displays, similar to what is planned for the 12-story Tower of Invincibility. A most renowned and distinguished Sthapati architect has made a beautiful design of a grand square Mahamandap hall, to be placed exactly above and around the position of the original Samadhi altar. On the outside the fully carved and beautifully ornamented hall will be made of yellow Jaisalmer stone, but inside, the floor, pillars and ceilings will be of pure white Makrana marble. In the centre, above the Samadhi altar, will be a high, white marble, ornamented dome, about 12â in diameter. The Samadhi Smarak will be landscaped all around, on a mountain of flowers with beautiful terraced gardens. March 21st Update 1. Sompura Stapathi with two of his supervisors have spent 3 days on site coordinating the plans. 2. Foundation markings have been done and digging work started today. 3. A team of civil contractors have reviewed the plans and are ready to get involved. 4. The Marble order was placed 5. Jeselmer stone ordered. 6. First marble lot will arrive in a day or two to Sompura Jiâs factory to start carving work. 7. Crane is arriving on site in the next few days. 8. Two supervisors are making all necessary arrangements at site. 9. Space is being readied for about 50 workers to live on our campus at site location. 10. On site equipment are in service now. 11. Stones from previous stock are under sorting for cleaning. Photos and Images of construction will be available soon. To participate financially: http://maharishisamadhi.org/participation.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
--Neither have become reconciled to the prospect of life in a subtle body after death. Buddhism, otoh, does provide for that. Nityananda's Siddhaloka is not part of Advaita Vedanta. MMY claims to be a proponent of A.V. but that's nihilist: after Unity then physical death, no more relative existence. Buddhas otoh can exist in any number of transformation bodies. Siddhas like Nityananda can live in Siddhaloka. In Advaita Vedanta, Nothing! - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Vaj wrote: The Marshy said they should. So they did... Ken Wilber pretty much agrees with the Marshy when it comes to meditation - Wilber is known for practiceing meditation techniques on a daily basis. Wilber co-wrote a review of spiritual teachers, and seems to approve of the practice of TM. From what I've read, Wilber's parents started TM practice some years ago. Read more: 'Spiritual Choices' The Problems of Recognizing Authentic Paths to Inner Transformation by Dick Anthony, Bruce Ecker, and Ken Wilber Paragon House, 1986 According to Wilber, the states of consciousness include: waking, dreaming, dreamless sleep, and nondual. Marshy seems to agree with this. Apparently Wilber ascribes to the 'two truths doctrine' of Nagarjuna. For Wilber no metaphysical doctrine or apparent reality is true in an absolute sense: only formless awareness, the simple feeling of being, exists absolutely. And tell me: is that story, sung by mystics and sages the world over, any crazier than the scientific materialism story, which is that the entire sequence is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying absolutely nothing? Listen very carefully: just which of those two stories actually sounds totally insane? Work cited: 'A Brief History of Everything' By Ken Wilber Shambhala, 2007 Page 42-3 Links of interest: Every deeply enlightened teacher I have known has been a Rude Boy or Nasty Girl. Ken Wilber: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber Dennis Genpo Merzel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Genpo_Merzel
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Samadhi Smarat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: A spectacular sight to be seen on the banks of the auspicious Triveni Sangam (the confluence of the three holy rivers: Ganges, Yamuna and Saraswati), and visible everywhere from the city of Prayag (Allahabad). The architecture is the best and most advanced Samadhi Mandir construction, fully carved inside and outside, without any iron, completely built with interlocking stones and beams. . . . 1. Sompura Stapathi with two of his supervisors have spent 3 days on site coordinating the plans. 2. Foundation markings have been done and digging work started today. 3. A team of civil contractors have reviewed the plans and are ready to get involved. 4. The Marble order was placed 5. Jeselmer stone ordered. 6. First marble lot will arrive in a day or two to Sompura Jiâs factory to start carving work. 7. Crane is arriving on site in the next few days. 8. Two supervisors are making all necessary arrangements at site. 9. Space is being readied for about 50 workers to live on our campus at site location. 10. On site equipment are in service now. 11. Stones from previous stock are under sorting for cleaning. Photos and Images of construction will be available soon. To participate financially: http://maharishisamadhi.org/participation.html Ozymandius (Ozymandias) by: Percy Bysshe Shelley snore You see, the interest in creating monuments and memorials is unique to the TMO and Ozymandias, at least in Barry's mind. It isn't as though the world is littered with 'em in various stages of repair or decay, dating from the earliest cave paintings, in every culture and from every period. (Come to think of it, the Taliban didn't hold the ancient Buddha statues in Afghanistan in very high regard either.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Sure it does. Anyone who doesn't participate in the traditional religious interpretation of meditation experiences can enjoy it as a secular practice. And it is also not required to believe that you are experiencing something trans-personal just because it feels that way. Wait. How does this jibe with your objection to Lynch's program? I am talking about how I approach Meditation,not how it is taught which is the relevant thing for schools. The basic 3 days checking course is full of religious belief about what is happening in TM aside from the Puja issue. If I was hanging out with monks and joined them in the Jesus prayer (using the name of Jesus as a mantra to transcend) then I would be doing it as a secular practice. But that doesn't mean that it is OK to teach the Jesus prayer in schools does it? Despite TM teacher's denials, I believe TM is a religious practice supported by traditional religious interpretations of the experience. That doesn't make it a bad thing for people who want that sort of thing, it is just not OK to teach in schools IMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ wrote: Meditation is for Self realization and God realization. Not when I do it. Secular meditation simply does not exist. Sure it does. Anyone who doesn't participate in the traditional religious interpretation of meditation experiences can enjoy it as a secular practice. And it is also not required to believe that you are experiencing something trans-personal just because it feels that way. Wait. How does this jibe with your objection to Lynch's program?
[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency
shempmcgurk wrote: I can really identify with Kirk today. I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling really, really low. I've lost almost all confidence in myself. And I cry a lot (yeah, that's pretty sappy considering that I'm a 54 year old male). Any kind words or advise (yes, I'm asking!) directed my way will be very welcome. Kirk, Shemp, Okay, I'll toss my hat into this ring and say that I have fucked up way more than anyone here. Getcher dicks out boys. But, know ahead of time that I can win this contest. And, yeah, I'm not forgetting that Kirk's father died when Kirk was but a kid. Devastating. Got it. Understood. But you be a newbie in the my life is a disaster book, if that's the only card you got to lay down. Kirk, Shemp, et al -- they say depression is anger turned inward, so hey, maybe, er, how'z'bout expressing some anger -- get it going outwardly! Even if it doesn't help, hey, it helps, eh? Meanwhile, my personal history with darkness forced me to recognize that emotions are separate from thoughts -- enough -- so that they don't necessarily have absolute power over intellectual content of consciousness. Souse the intellect to put the mind onto something known to divert from despondency by, say, giving the mind a bigass challenge that precludes other topics muscling into the mind's foreground -- even a crossword puzzle might do the trick. It doesn't address the negativity but it gives one a break and the burden is put down for a while. Many of the other FFL suggestions so far are excellent, but of course, in a depression, one just doesn't want to do anything except something quick and now that solves the whole shebang. Go to bed -- unconsciousness is allowed. Stay there for days if it's working for ya. If you think you're a fuck-up, you ain't looking around ya -- you are not George Bush for instance -- I'm just sayin'. At your funeral, there'd be some weepers for sure, right?, so absolute worthlessness shouldn't be on the psychic table. If you think you could have done so much more and have accomplishments to brag about, well, if true, then you still could do them! Winston Churchill didn't run for public office until he was 65 years old. If not true, if you really couldn't have done better, then, hey, you're off the hook. Right? Right? You're not blaming mentally retarded folks for their lacking worth are you? Cut yourself the same break. Right now, I have, like, ten thousand good things I could do that would really change my life for the better, but I think I'll watch a movie instead. Is that a sin? Take it easy, dudes -- straining against the darkness is not taking it easy. Folks don't know where their thoughts come from, so trying to get to the bottom of an emotion is even harder. Grunt and bear it -- sometimes that's all ya gots, and it's man-up time. One thing's for sure: my world would be a lot less interesting without you two in it, so, hey, keep fucking up just like you are and report here about it -- it makes my day! Sick, but true. If you're miserable, I get to see you survive it somehow. That's a bigtime benefit to me -- to all of us -- to know that when it's our turns, we can remember your survivial. Ever see someone in a wheelchair laughing and having the time of their life? Sure you have. If they can laugh at their life sentences, so must we all. I remember this TV show that had a character who was 1. Crippled in a wheelchair. 2. A dwarf. 3. Jewish 4. Atheist 5. African American He said, If I'm happy, no one has the right to be unhappy. Count yer blessings, bubs, others here can see them. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: snip. Quantum mechanics explains a lot, but the big problems arise when trying to form a unified field theory, which Hawking and others continue to struggle with. But there is no unified field theory yet, despite what Haglin says. As the quote in the first post says, . . . if there's something about the physical world that quantum mechanics isn't telling you, it doesn't follow that those gaps can be filled with poetry. Mystical answers are not necessarily the correct answers. Quantum Mechanics is often misused to explain more than it does. Consciousness is a big example. And classical physics still explains behavior of large objects. Classical physics isn't wrong, it just isn't the whole picture. As usual, Ruth doesn't dare quote me, but she figures she's responding to the post of mine that John was commenting on. As usual, terrified of not being the center of attention, guffaw Judy tries to start Yet Another Argument with Ruth, who is *also* ignoring her. Barry hasn't had his coffee yet. Ruth was talking about the *subject*, Actually her remarks had very little to do with John's comments on my post. and ignoring the idiotic compulsive arguer who was trying to make the subject ALL ABOUT HER. This is the kind of creative writing Barry does, as I noted earlier--he makes up derogatory stuff about people he doesn't like and presents it as if it were established fact. I didn't say a word about me in the post Ruth failed to quote, nor was I arguing with anybody. Ruth responded to John, making the assumption that he was commenting on something I had said about quantum mechanics validating mysticism, when in fact I'd said precisely the opposite. Inadvertently, because she hadn't read what John was responding to, Ruth was *agreeing with me*. And she didn't ignore me when I pointed that out, although of course she denied she was commenting on what she assumed I had said. snip Keep ignoring the sour bitch, Ruth. In this case and in ALL cases as far as I can tell, the subject is about the subject, and Judy is not worth *being* that subject. She's become Willytex, trying to butt into ongoing conversations *for no other reason* than to start an argument. Anybody who reads my posts knows that's a lie. But nobody will call Barry on the lie except me. (And let's add the above to the very long list of posting feats that qualify Barry for the title Master of Projection.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: John wrote: Intuitively, I do appreciate the idea that a musician like Andrea Bocelli can be considered a scientist of the genius kind. The same could be said for Monet and other artists--writers included. Andrea Bocelli? Yup, that's right. Whether you like or not he has reached out to millions of people who ordinarily would not listen to classical music. He has de facto taken over the enviable post that Luciano Pavarotti enjoyed as the best tenor of the classical music genre. Here's the classical music website that you can listen to on line from the San Francisco Bay Area: http://www.kdfc.com. Pavarotti was good. But for my taste he was rather showy given that he had a large frame and an undeniable strong voice. OTOH, Boccelli uses some very subtle nuances in his singing, particularly in his rendition of several Spanish standards in one of his recent recordings. Regards, JR I haven't googled it, but I'm willing to bet that the world of opera lovers have yet to acclaim Andrea. Him taking over Lucian's place -- no way, dude, no way. Luciano -- phihh, he had to scream to get to his high notes, so he's not my top-of-the-list. Again, I like Andrea's stylings, but he simply doesn't have the voice box to be a spear holder in the opera world. Luciano only got to sing cuz he's a bully. Best voice ever? If only Mario Lanza had actually studied opera instead of winging it, he might have had the best voice put to good use, but, sadly, many of his interpretations are at variance with traditional renditions in that his emotions don't always go with the meaning of the Italian words. Sigh...a great loss. As it is, I still listen to Mario over Luciano. Andrea is in the same tier in which Michael Bolton belongs. Michael put out an album of opera arias, and even though he hits the notes, he's just laughable when it comes to interpretation. Michael may be able to pull off being Black, but he simply cannot fake being an opera singer. Edg
[FairfieldLife] 2001 Vedic Fliers on Invincible America
http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html The bad news is that some of them have come over from the Republic of Ireland. When they arrived in FF the trouble arose in Northern Ireland.
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: John wrote: Intuitively, I do appreciate the idea that a musician like Andrea Bocelli can be considered a scientist of the genius kind. The same could be said for Monet and other artists--writers included. Andrea Bocelli? Yup, that's right. Whether you like or not he has reached out to millions of people who ordinarily would not listen to classical music. He has de facto taken over the enviable post that Luciano Pavarotti enjoyed as the best tenor of the classical music genre. Here's the classical music website that you can listen to on line from the San Francisco Bay Area: http://www.kdfc.com. Pavarotti was good. But for my taste he was rather showy given that he had a large frame and an undeniable strong voice. OTOH, Boccelli uses some very subtle nuances in his singing, particularly in his rendition of several Spanish standards in one of his recent recordings. Regards, JR I haven't googled it, but I'm willing to bet that the world of opera lovers have yet to acclaim Andrea. Him taking over Lucian's place -- no way, dude, no way. Luciano -- phihh, he had to scream to get to his high notes, so he's not my top-of-the-list. Again, I like Andrea's stylings, but he simply doesn't have the voice box to be a spear holder in the opera world. Luciano only got to sing cuz he's a bully. Best voice ever? If only Mario Lanza had actually studied opera instead of winging it, he might have had the best voice put to good use, but, sadly, many of his interpretations are at variance with traditional renditions in that his emotions don't always go with the meaning of the Italian words. Sigh...a great loss. As it is, I still listen to Mario over Luciano. Andrea is in the same tier in which Michael Bolton belongs. Michael put out an album of opera arias, and even though he hits the notes, he's just laughable when it comes to interpretation. Michael may be able to pull off being Black, but he simply cannot fake being an opera singer. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why there are no Pleiadians...
Why there are no Pleiadians. The Pleiadies are a young cluster of hot stars which have had barely enough time to form planets let alone develop an advanced race of super beings on the said planets. Best estimates is that they've only been going for 100 million years. On Earth which looks like it formed about 4.5 billion years ago, we don't find any convincing evidence of life before 3.5 billion years ago. So it took 1 billion years for life to get established, and that was only primitive bacteria, not super-advanced pan-dimensional beings. This is however a hot chick in the Facebook TM group who claims to be a Pleiadian.
[FairfieldLife] 'In Reagan We Trust?'
The Republicans would have Reagan on the money, wouldn't ya know? He gave all the almighty power to A.I.G., don't ya know? Way back, when... The market is Almighty God, don't ya know?. Ya, think that the insurance companies have our country, by the balls, perhaps? All kinds of violations of law, in the name of Christianity and Conservative Values, ha... Passed in the atmosphere of fear. They're not just, 'Out to Lunch'... They need a 'Group Exorcism'! And the rap about kids, and their future? Maybe some could buy a house, almost right now! That the prices have fallen back to 'Sanity'... Not the 'Insane Leading the Sheep', as has been the case. R.Gimbel Madison, WI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Secular meditation simply does not exist. Sure it does. Zoran Krneta wrote: So what are the differences between them? There is no difference. Meditation means simply to thinks things over. TM is based on thinking, and hardly a person could be found that doesn't think. Meditation is just what intelligent people do! According to Maharishi, TM is the passing of the cognitive attention from one level of consciousness to another, sutler level of consciousness. This passing back and forth between the gross and finer levels of consciousness is what makes possible the opportunity for transcending. First, there is just thought; then the bija-mantra occurs spontaneously, just like any other thought. In TM, when the thought process reaches the finest level of awareness, thought drops off and the practitioner is left all by his Self. How to Be? Stop being active, but don't become passive. That is, stop being active, but don't fall asleep. Just Be. Enjoy the pure consciousness. Just be aware of being aware. Just go in and meditate, then come out and radiate! It's that simple. Nice !
[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I can really identify with Kirk today. I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling really, really low. I've lost almost all confidence in myself. And I cry a lot (yeah, that's pretty sappy considering that I'm a 54 year old male). Any kind words or advise (yes, I'm asking!) directed my way will be very welcome. I sometimes use paradoxical intention as a quick cure for, say, mild to moderate headache or some emotional problems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradoxical_intention
[FairfieldLife] 'Cold Fusion Breakthrough'
Researchers at a US Navy laboratory have unveiled what they say is significant evidence of cold fusion, a potential energy source that has many skeptics in the scientific community. The scientists on Monday described what they called the first clear visual evidence that low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR), or cold fusion devices can produce neutrons, subatomic particles that scientists say are indicative of nuclear reactions. Our finding is very significant, said analytical chemist Pamela Mosier-Boss of the US Navy's Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center (SPAWAR) in San Diego, California. To our knowledge, this is the first scientific report of the production of highly energetic neutrons from a LENR device, added the study's co-author in a statement. The study's results were presented at the annual meeting of the American Chemical Society in Salt Lake City, Utah. The city is also the site of an infamous presentation on cold fusion 20 years ago by Martin Fleishmann and Stanley Pons that sent shockwaves across the world. Despite their claim to cold fusion discovery, the Fleishmann-Pons study soon fell into discredit after other researchers were unable to reproduce the results. Scientists have been working for years to produce cold fusion reactions, a potentially cheap, limitless and environmentally-clean source of energy. Paul Padley, a physicist at Rice University who reviewed Mosier-Boss's published work, said the study did not provide a plausible explanation of how cold fusion could take place in the conditions described. It fails to provide a theoretical rationale to explain how fusion could occur at room temperatures. And in its analysis, the research paper fails to exclude other sources for the production of neutrons, he told the Houston Chronicle. The whole point of fusion is, you?re bringing things of like charge together. As we all know, like things repel, and you have to overcome that repulsion somehow. But Steven Krivit, editor of the New Energy Times, said the study was big and could open a new scientific field. The neutrons produced in the experiments may not be caused by fusion but perhaps some new, unknown nuclear process, added Krivit, who has monitored cold fusion studies for the past 20 years. We're talking about a new field of science that's a hybrid between chemistry and physics.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: ..it seems to me that many people enjoy their TM -- while a significant minority have problems such as depression, anxiety, dissociation, involuntary tics, etc. Every once in a while John's mask slips, and what's behind his lip service to TM--such as that in your quote--gets inadvertently spat out in all its ugliness. What phrase do you object to? If your job is helping people who do have problems like the late Margret Singer then the reality of such a population is just a fact. This is what I was objecting to, with reference to Lynch's program: I'd sure be more comfortable if researchers would stick to experimenting on monkeys and leave the kids alone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
On Mar 24, 2009, at 12:38 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: ..it seems to me that many people enjoy their TM -- while a significant minority have problems such as depression, anxiety, dissociation, involuntary tics, etc. Every once in a while John's mask slips, and what's behind his lip service to TM--such as that in your quote--gets inadvertently spat out in all its ugliness. What phrase do you object to? If your job is helping people who do have problems like the late Margret Singer then the reality of such a population is just a fact. I was wondering the same thing--seems to me John's quote is right on, realistic. God only knows what mask Judy is really afraid of. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
I don't know if Lynch said he would teach IN Schools. You know they have every sort of religious club in the world in schools. Why not TM clubs? The truth is soon found out by any slightly savvy youngster now. Let them figure it out. At any rate try talking to a kid now about anything and you'll find a total expert on everything. Your issues Knapp are your own issues and they are passing with your brain, not to be mean or smug, which I am not. This is a fact. I am a Buddhist. I have said it plenty. I also might do TM if I feel like it. And so on. TM saved my life when I was fifteen and a burned out punk rocker in Hollywood. Yeah, already at age fifteen. Age means little. All this afterthought is just that. I hope TM is still around my next go at life. TM teachers who believed and sacrificed everything many times over should have at least one David Lynch on their side. Don't be mean Bro. Or go pierce some Jesus somewhere. Same difference. - Original Message - From: John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknap...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools Kirk, No offense taken! You actually touch on something that I agree with, all education is an experiment. I could rant about that, too. That being said, two wrongs don't make a right. I'd just as soon that education were more evidenced-based AND that TM not be taught in public schools. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: No offense John, but education is a myth. It works for a few. All education is an experiment. If you look at the WORKS of the educated then you know their education was an experiment in how to step in dogshit. - Original Message - From: John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknap...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools To be honest, I don't know if a nonreligious form of TM would be good for kids or not. Basically, what David Lynch, with inspiration from the late Maharishi, is proposing is large-scale psychological experimentation on school kids. I'm not aware of substantive research on the long-term effects of meditation on children. I imagine some will have abreactions, just as some adults do. Just as I think drugs with negative side-effects need to regulated and monitored, but may be taken safely by most people, it seems to me that many people enjoy their TM -- while a significant minority have problems such as depression, anxiety, dissociation, involuntary tics, etc. I'd sure be more comfortable if researchers would stick to experimenting on monkeys and leave the kids alone. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: The upcoming McCartney/Lynch Concert to benefit the David Lynch Foundation will raise funds to teach Transcendental Meditation in the public schools. Many critics feel this is a clear Church/State violation because of the religious trappings of Transcendental Meditation. A group of critics -- including James Randi, Barry Markovsky, Meera Nanda, Andrew Skolnick, myself, and others -- have organized a free web event to discuss this controversy. You may be interested in attending. You can find the details at http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html Since the ruling on TM, back in the late '70's, I can see our school system has really improved in so many ways... Do you really think that practicing TM in schools would be a bad thing? Do you think that ruling did anything to improve the quality of education or the quality of anything? R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Fierceness at the Monsters vs Aliens Premier
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Fw: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency?
Time to enjoy! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ ... wrote: I can really identify with Kirk today. I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling really, really low. I've lost almost all confidence in myself. And I cry a lot (yeah, that's pretty sappy considering that I'm a 54 year old male). Any kind words or advise (yes, I'm asking!) directed my way will be very welcome. I sometimes use paradoxical intention as a quick cure for, say, mild to moderate headache or some emotional problems. http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Paradoxical_ intention
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
- Original Message - From: Zoran Krneta To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools Secular meditation simply does not exist. Sure it does. You are claiming that secular meditation develops higher state of consciousness too. If you are right than Self realization/God realization are reachable by your secular meditation also. So what are the differences between them? ---VIEW
[FairfieldLife] Rajas and domains
Since I wasn't able to find on the web a list of the rajas and their domains, I created one based on information from the Maharishi Family Chats and post it below for the record. Maybe someone who has a suitable webpage would like to reprint it there. -emf 01 Antonio Bartolome 001 Andorra Antonio Bartolome 002 Angola Antonio Bartolome 003 Cape Verde Antonio Bartolome 004 Equatorial Guinea Antonio Bartolome 005 Guinea-Bissau Antonio Bartolome 006 Mozambique Antonio Bartolome 007 Portugal Antonio Bartolome 008 Sao Tome Principe Antonio Bartolome 009 Spain 02 Bjarne Landsfeldt 010 Bosnia Herzegovina Bjarne Landsfeldt 011 Czech Republic Bjarne Landsfeldt 012 Denmark Bjarne Landsfeldt 013 Malta Bjarne Landsfeldt 014 Russia Bjarne Landsfeldt 015 Slovakia Bjarne Landsfeldt 016 Turkmenistan 03 Bob LoPinto 017 Gambia Bob LoPinto 018 Lesotho Bob LoPinto 019 Oman Bob LoPinto 020 Philippines Bob LoPinto 021 Senegal Bob LoPinto 022 South Africa Bob LoPinto 023 Viet Nam 04 Bruce Plaut 024 Ethiopia Bruce Plaut 025 Nigeria Bruce Plaut 026 Samoa Bruce Plaut 027 Seychelles Bruce Plaut 028 Swaziland Bruce Plaut 029 Sweden Bruce Plaut 030 Tanzania 05 Dean Dodrill031 Austria Dean Dodrill032 Azerbaijan Dean Dodrill033 Croatia Dean Dodrill034 Guinea Dean Dodrill035 Macedonia, Former Yugoslav Republic Dean Dodrill036 Moldova Dean Dodrill037 Romania Dean Dodrill038 Sudan 06 Emanuel Schiffgens 039 Bangladesh Emanuel Schiffgens 040 Central African Republic Emanuel Schiffgens 041 Germany Emanuel Schiffgens 042 Iran Emanuel Schiffgens 043 Monaco Emanuel Schiffgens 044 Nauru Emanuel Schiffgens 045 Saudi Arabia Emanuel Schiffgens 046 Ukraine 07 Felix Kaegi 047 Albania Felix Kaegi 048 Djibouti Felix Kaegi 049 Liechtenstein Felix Kaegi 050 Malawi Felix Kaegi 051 Serbia Felix Kaegi 052 Slovenia Felix Kaegi 053 Switzerland 08 Graham de Freitas 054 Benin Graham de Freitas 055 Botswana Graham de Freitas 056 Grenada Graham de Freitas 057 Mali Graham de Freitas 058 Norway Graham de Freitas 059 Togo Graham de Freitas 060 Trinidad Tobago Graham de Freitas 061 Uganda 09 Harris Kaplan 062 India 10 Ior Guglielmi 063 Bahrain Ior Guglielmi 064 Greece Ior Guglielmi 065 Kazakhstan Ior Guglielmi 066 Kuwait Ior Guglielmi 067 Niger Ior Guglielmi 068 Papua New Guinea Ior Guglielmi 069 San Marino Ior Guglielmi 070 Sri Lanka 11 John Hagelin071 USA 12 John Konhaus072 Chad John Konhaus073 Egypt John Konhaus074 Hungary John Konhaus075 Jamaica John Konhaus076 Japan John Konhaus077 Kyrgyzstan John Konhaus078 Somalia John Konhaus079 Uzbekistan 13 Jose Luis 080 Argentina Jose Luis 081 Bolivia Jose Luis 082 Brazil Jose Luis 083 Chile Jose Luis 084 Colombia Jose Luis 085 Costa Rica Jose Luis 086 Cuba Jose Luis 087 Dominican Republic Jose Luis 088 Ecuador Jose Luis 089 El Salvador Jose Luis 090 Guatemala Jose Luis 091 Guyana Jose Luis 092 Honduras Jose Luis 093 Mexico Jose Luis 094 Nicaragua Jose Luis 095 Panama Jose Luis 096 Paraguay Jose Luis 097 Peru Jose Luis 098 Suriname Jose Luis 099 Uruguay Jose Luis 100 Venezuela 14 Kingsley Brooks 101 Afghanistan Kingsley Brooks 102 Georgia Kingsley Brooks 103 Israel Kingsley Brooks 104 Korea, Democratic Peoples Republic Kingsley Brooks 105 Korea, Republic Kingsley Brooks 106 Marshall Islands Kingsley Brooks 107 Micronesia Kingsley Brooks 108 Nepal 15 Lucien Mansour 109 Belgium Lucien Mansour 110 Congo, Democratic Republic Lucien Mansour 111 Dominica Lucien Mansour 112 Gabon Lucien Mansour 113 Haiti Lucien Mansour 114 Lebanon Lucien Mansour 115 Luxembourg Lucien Mansour 116 Syria 16 Mariano Facipieri 117 Eritrea Mariano Facipieri 118 Ghana Mariano Facipieri 119 Italy Mariano Facipieri 120 Ivory Coast Mariano Facipieri 121 Madagascar Mariano Facipieri 122 Sierra Leone
[FairfieldLife] The only real shrine of God on Earth
Love in the heart of man is the shrine of God on Earth. Blessed are those who carry the shrine of God in fullness of love in their hearts. And when the drops of love trickle down the melting heart, the angels in heaven run down to count and keep a record. No drop of precious love is ever wasted. For every drop of love flows the unbounded ocean of bliss. And the ocean of bliss unfolds the love divine and fills the heart. Then the eyes lift to God, and God raises his arms and extends his heart. And then the reality dawns. The stream of man's love finds the ocean of God's love and flows into it. And this is the glory of love. The man and God unite in the eternal ocean of love. Let us bring to our life the glory of this love, which brings the heavens in life on Earth. Love of God, someone said, is an abstract concept. Yes it is abstract. It takes the experience of life to make it concrete. Love of God is abstract in its infancy, but let us not forget that it begins to be concrete from the very beginning of life and imperceptivity grows, and grows to become concrete, and overtakes our life in full. In its most infant state, love finds an expression on the lap of mother. In the sweetness of the mother's eye. It grows in toys and playfields, in the sweetness of friends and folks of society. It grows in the sweetness of husband and wife. With age and experience, the tree of love grows. It grows with the growth of life and evolution, and finds its fulfillment in the eternal love of the omnipresent God, which fills the heart and overthrows the darkness of ignorance. And then, in the illumination of universal love, the abstract love of God finds concrete expression in everything. All becomes divine radiance of eternal love. Life finds its meaning in the living presence of God. Every phase of life then saturated with love breathes the living presence of God. Here, there, and everywhere, in this, that, and everything. Nothing but love and living presence of God. ~ Excerpted from Love and God by Maharishi (1967) http://www.deutsche-nachrichten-agentur.de/de/verzeichnis/magazin/audio/752076960 http://snipurl.com/eh7v0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Teaching young people meditation (McCartney/lynch concert)
Hey Bill, how's it going? Thanks for the books and stuff way back when. - Kirk - Original Message - From: bill smith To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Teaching young people meditation (McCartney/lynch concert) In posting here , doesn't mean i agree with the views of others who post here. When I learned TM as a young school student , the presentation as i perceived it, was that, even though we where to give flowers and cloth , the teaching was non religious and the teacher does the puja and we where not to be involved.I wondered about this, and thought NO devotion? how cruel is that, so while standing at the paja, the only exception to this cruelty was that I must be Guru Dev.Is there any other explanation? The question about this promotion to me would be, can the movement handle more Guru Devs. And with that being said , it must be added that we do not charge for the teaching of meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: John wrote: Intuitively, I do appreciate the idea that a musician like Andrea Bocelli can be considered a scientist of the genius kind. The same could be said for Monet and other artists--writers included. Andrea Bocelli? Yup, that's right. Whether you like or not he has reached out to millions of people who ordinarily would not listen to classical music. He has de facto taken over the enviable post that Luciano Pavarotti enjoyed as the best tenor of the classical music genre. Here's the classical music website that you can listen to on line from the San Francisco Bay Area: http://www.kdfc.com. Pavarotti was good. But for my taste he was rather showy given that he had a large frame and an undeniable strong voice. OTOH, Boccelli uses some very subtle nuances in his singing, particularly in his rendition of several Spanish standards in one of his recent recordings. Regards, JR I haven't googled it, but I'm willing to bet that the world of opera lovers have yet to acclaim Andrea. Him taking over Lucian's place -- no way, dude, no way. Luciano -- phihh, he had to scream to get to his high notes, so he's not my top-of-the-list. Again, I like Andrea's stylings, but he simply doesn't have the voice box to be a spear holder in the opera world. Luciano only got to sing cuz he's a bully. Best voice ever? If only Mario Lanza had actually studied opera instead of winging it, he might have had the best voice put to good use, but, sadly, many of his interpretations are at variance with traditional renditions in that his emotions don't always go with the meaning of the Italian words. Sigh...a great loss. As it is, I still listen to Mario over Luciano. Andrea is in the same tier in which Michael Bolton belongs. Michael put out an album of opera arias, and even though he hits the notes, he's just laughable when it comes to interpretation. Michael may be able to pull off being Black, but he simply cannot fake being an opera singer. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Samadhi Smarat
Curtis Curtis, don't be all down on the mandap Bro. People are going to run if you just give them a flat surface. People will jump into a mud puddle because they merely happened across it. Don't you know that Maharishi can't be the greatest guru ever unless he rivals Jesus and The Vat? It so happens that Maharishi visited me in a dream and I shut the door in his face. I'm not being a smarta-ass. Or was that smarat-ass. Jezus I can't remember any longer. It's the freaking xanax and valium. On a serious note, I used to drink to forget. Now I have problems remembering anything. Somehow that last sentence sums up the Maharishi Smarat for me. At the very least some smarat or another gives some gentle and servile souls a place to work and thrive. And remember, since they aren't Catholic they can have sex with condoms. Seems like a good sales pitch to me. Maharishi Samadhi Smarat - Condoms Encouraged Ding Donging into the Age of Wonderment. No women allowed. Maybe not a good sales pitch after all. - Original Message - From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Samadhi Smarat --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://maharishisamadhi.org/ I sure hope that the Mandaps (special name for a gaudy building) has a place for us to buy a stick of incense to burn in the temple so that Maharishi can hear our prayers and intercede for us with those wild gods with all the arms (especially the chick ones who look like they could really kick some natural law ass. I'm talking about you Durga Ma!) When Maharishi hears your prayers it is like getting friended on Myspace by God, and it only takes a few rupies in the till for each prayer for this blessing. When I take my pilgrimage I'm gunna take different shirts and go in and out of the temple for each prayer request each time with a different look so that the disembodied Maharishi doesn't think I'm being greedy with each request incense cuz I've got a lot of needs that have gone unfulfilled by a certain unnamed Mother O' God who has taken a boatload of candle/cash prayer requests and has delivered bupkiss so far. (NOT so full of Grace apparently!) His Divine Holiness, Sri Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Karuna Vataram Never before and never again. 12 January 1917 - 5 February 2008 In Our Hearts Forever A spectacular sight to be seen on the banks of the auspicious Triveni Sangam (the confluence of the three holy rivers: Ganges, Yamuna and Saraswati), and visible everywhere from the city of Prayag (Allahabad). The architecture is the best and most advanced Samadhi Mandir construction, fully carved inside and outside, without any iron, completely built with interlocking stones and beams. The Mandaps of Knowledge A giant Vedic Gate will greet pilgrims and visitors, situated at the beginning of a 200 meter connecting, raised, pilgrimage pathway leading to the Smarak (memorial of knowledge). On the right and left of this road will be 12 Mandaps (halls of knowledge) displaying and illustrating Maharishiâ?Ts supreme knowledge in exhibitions and electronic displays, similar to what is planned for the 12-story Tower of Invincibility. A most renowned and distinguished Sthapati architect has made a beautiful design of a grand square Mahamandap hall, to be placed exactly above and around the position of the original Samadhi altar. On the outside the fully carved and beautifully ornamented hall will be made of yellow Jaisalmer stone, but inside, the floor, pillars and ceilings will be of pure white Makrana marble. In the centre, above the Samadhi altar, will be a high, white marble, ornamented dome, about 12â?T in diameter. The Samadhi Smarak will be landscaped all around, on a mountain of flowers with beautiful terraced gardens. March 21st Update 1. Sompura Stapathi with two of his supervisors have spent 3 days on site coordinating the plans. 2. Foundation markings have been done and digging work started today. 3. A team of civil contractors have reviewed the plans and are ready to get involved. 4. The Marble order was placed 5. Jeselmer stone ordered. 6. First marble lot will arrive in a day or two to Sompura Jiâ?Ts factory to start carving work. 7. Crane is arriving on site in the next few days. 8. Two supervisors are making all necessary arrangements at site. 9. Space is being readied for about 50 workers to live on our campus at site location. 10. On site equipment are in service now. 11. Stones from previous stock are under sorting for cleaning. Photos and Images of construction will be available soon. To participate financially: http://maharishisamadhi.org/participation.html To subscribe, send a message to:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
Ken Wilbur, is that they guy who beats women? - Original Message - From: yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality --Neither have become reconciled to the prospect of life in a subtle body after death. Buddhism, otoh, does provide for that. Nityananda's Siddhaloka is not part of Advaita Vedanta. MMY claims to be a proponent of A.V. but that's nihilist: after Unity then physical death, no more relative existence. Buddhas otoh can exist in any number of transformation bodies. Siddhas like Nityananda can live in Siddhaloka. In Advaita Vedanta, Nothing! - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Vaj wrote: The Marshy said they should. So they did... Ken Wilber pretty much agrees with the Marshy when it comes to meditation - Wilber is known for practiceing meditation techniques on a daily basis. Wilber co-wrote a review of spiritual teachers, and seems to approve of the practice of TM. From what I've read, Wilber's parents started TM practice some years ago. Read more: 'Spiritual Choices' The Problems of Recognizing Authentic Paths to Inner Transformation by Dick Anthony, Bruce Ecker, and Ken Wilber Paragon House, 1986 According to Wilber, the states of consciousness include: waking, dreaming, dreamless sleep, and nondual. Marshy seems to agree with this. Apparently Wilber ascribes to the 'two truths doctrine' of Nagarjuna. For Wilber no metaphysical doctrine or apparent reality is true in an absolute sense: only formless awareness, the simple feeling of being, exists absolutely. And tell me: is that story, sung by mystics and sages the world over, any crazier than the scientific materialism story, which is that the entire sequence is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying absolutely nothing? Listen very carefully: just which of those two stories actually sounds totally insane? Work cited: 'A Brief History of Everything' By Ken Wilber Shambhala, 2007 Page 42-3 Links of interest: Every deeply enlightened teacher I have known has been a Rude Boy or Nasty Girl. Ken Wilber: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber Dennis Genpo Merzel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Genpo_Merzel To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency
I remember this TV show that had a character who was 1. Crippled in a wheelchair. 2. A dwarf. 3. Jewish 4. Atheist 5. African American He said, If I'm happy, no one has the right to be unhappy. Count yer blessings, bubs, others here can see them. Edg Ever read George C. Chesbro?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blind Man's Bluff
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
On Mar 24, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Hugo wrote: I've long had the feeling that his absurd ranting on the Marshy channel is an attempt to convince himself as much as anyone else. I guess that is the question: has he convinced himself in 'aligning his thought' with MMY, or does he maintain his rational independent thinking?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rajas and domains
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Eustace emf...@... wrote: That is on seriously silly movement list! I think you are missing an important country... Since I wasn't able to find on the web a list of the rajas and their domains, I created one based on information from the Maharishi Family Chats and post it below for the record. Maybe someone who has a suitable webpage would like to reprint it there. -emf 01 Antonio Bartolome 001 Andorra Antonio Bartolome 002 Angola Antonio Bartolome 003 Cape Verde Antonio Bartolome 004 Equatorial Guinea Antonio Bartolome 005 Guinea-Bissau Antonio Bartolome 006 Mozambique Antonio Bartolome 007 Portugal Antonio Bartolome 008 Sao Tome Principe Antonio Bartolome 009 Spain 02 Bjarne Landsfeldt 010 Bosnia Herzegovina Bjarne Landsfeldt 011 Czech Republic Bjarne Landsfeldt 012 Denmark Bjarne Landsfeldt 013 Malta Bjarne Landsfeldt 014 Russia Bjarne Landsfeldt 015 Slovakia Bjarne Landsfeldt 016 Turkmenistan 03 Bob LoPinto 017 Gambia Bob LoPinto 018 Lesotho Bob LoPinto 019 Oman Bob LoPinto 020 Philippines Bob LoPinto 021 Senegal Bob LoPinto 022 South Africa Bob LoPinto 023 Viet Nam 04 Bruce Plaut 024 Ethiopia Bruce Plaut 025 Nigeria Bruce Plaut 026 Samoa Bruce Plaut 027 Seychelles Bruce Plaut 028 Swaziland Bruce Plaut 029 Sweden Bruce Plaut 030 Tanzania 05 Dean Dodrill031 Austria Dean Dodrill032 Azerbaijan Dean Dodrill033 Croatia Dean Dodrill034 Guinea Dean Dodrill035 Macedonia, Former Yugoslav Republic Dean Dodrill036 Moldova Dean Dodrill037 Romania Dean Dodrill038 Sudan 06 Emanuel Schiffgens 039 Bangladesh Emanuel Schiffgens 040 Central African Republic Emanuel Schiffgens 041 Germany Emanuel Schiffgens 042 Iran Emanuel Schiffgens 043 Monaco Emanuel Schiffgens 044 Nauru Emanuel Schiffgens 045 Saudi Arabia Emanuel Schiffgens 046 Ukraine 07 Felix Kaegi 047 Albania Felix Kaegi 048 Djibouti Felix Kaegi 049 Liechtenstein Felix Kaegi 050 Malawi Felix Kaegi 051 Serbia Felix Kaegi 052 Slovenia Felix Kaegi 053 Switzerland 08 Graham de Freitas 054 Benin Graham de Freitas 055 Botswana Graham de Freitas 056 Grenada Graham de Freitas 057 Mali Graham de Freitas 058 Norway Graham de Freitas 059 Togo Graham de Freitas 060 Trinidad Tobago Graham de Freitas 061 Uganda 09 Harris Kaplan 062 India 10 Ior Guglielmi 063 Bahrain Ior Guglielmi 064 Greece Ior Guglielmi 065 Kazakhstan Ior Guglielmi 066 Kuwait Ior Guglielmi 067 Niger Ior Guglielmi 068 Papua New Guinea Ior Guglielmi 069 San Marino Ior Guglielmi 070 Sri Lanka 11 John Hagelin071 USA 12 John Konhaus072 Chad John Konhaus073 Egypt John Konhaus074 Hungary John Konhaus075 Jamaica John Konhaus076 Japan John Konhaus077 Kyrgyzstan John Konhaus078 Somalia John Konhaus079 Uzbekistan 13 Jose Luis 080 Argentina Jose Luis 081 Bolivia Jose Luis 082 Brazil Jose Luis 083 Chile Jose Luis 084 Colombia Jose Luis 085 Costa Rica Jose Luis 086 Cuba Jose Luis 087 Dominican Republic Jose Luis 088 Ecuador Jose Luis 089 El Salvador Jose Luis 090 Guatemala Jose Luis 091 Guyana Jose Luis 092 Honduras Jose Luis 093 Mexico Jose Luis 094 Nicaragua Jose Luis 095 Panama Jose Luis 096 Paraguay Jose Luis 097 Peru Jose Luis 098 Suriname Jose Luis 099 Uruguay Jose Luis 100 Venezuela 14 Kingsley Brooks 101 Afghanistan Kingsley Brooks 102 Georgia Kingsley Brooks 103 Israel Kingsley Brooks 104 Korea, Democratic Peoples Republic Kingsley Brooks 105 Korea, Republic Kingsley Brooks 106 Marshall Islands Kingsley Brooks 107 Micronesia Kingsley Brooks 108 Nepal 15 Lucien Mansour 109 Belgium Lucien Mansour 110 Congo, Democratic Republic Lucien Mansour 111 Dominica Lucien Mansour 112 Gabon Lucien Mansour 113 Haiti Lucien Mansour 114 Lebanon Lucien Mansour 115
