[FairfieldLife] Re: Many Swami Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are waiting to be published
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You can't take that guy serious, noone in his right mind read books by Paul Mason. He has a simple agenda; to make money. I think his agenda is to find and publish what the TM movement wouldn't dare or couldn't be bothered with. . Yes, he actually does research, it's a funny thing that the TMO won't allow his books in centres. You'd think they'd be interested. And it's done out of devotion not a love of money. Let's face it, if you're after a lucrative publishing contract, dead and obscure Indian saints probably aren't the way to go. Especially as he publishes it online as well as in print form. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tkinnes@... wrote : Here are books rich in teachings of Guru Dev. Mason, Paul. 108 Discourses of Guru Dev: The Life and Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath (1941-53). Vol 1. Penzance, Cornwall: Premanand, 2009. -- From a book review by Michael Laughrin, Michael@... mailto:Michael@... 108 Discourses of Guru Dev by Paul Mason is, in my opinion, the most important and BEST spiritual book written in the last 100 years. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was affectionately known as Guru Dev. Guru Dev was the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, the northernmost of the 4 seats of the Shankaracharyas established by Shankara between 1500 and 2000 years ago. This northernmost seat was vacant for many years until Guru Dev, who had been leading the life of a solitary saint living in the forest and mountains, finally agreed to take the seat. These little 'sermons' (none is longer than 4 pages) are exceedingly clear, uplifting, and to the point. This volume has the discourses in the original Hindi and also in English (thank God, as my Hindi is not what is used to be). Of all the modern spiritual books that I have read, this one cuts through the junk like a sword and reveals the diamond truth that is at the core of the Vedic teachings. Most of the important topics are mentioned, such as Enlightenment (moksha), meditation, karma, the caste system, possessions, obstacles on the Path, Maya, dharma, and many, many others. Mason, Paul. The Biography of Guru Dev: The Life and Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath (1941-53). Vol 2. Penzance, Cornwall: Premanand, 2009. Mason, Paul. Guru Dev as presented by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: The Life and Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath (1941-53). Vol 3. Penzance, Cornwall: Premanand, 2009. Mason, Paul. Guru Dev: Life and Teachings of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. Compiled by Paul Mason. 2012. Online [◦Link] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm Shriver, LB Trusty. The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Sankaracarya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati.. Tr. and contr. Cynthia Ann Humes. Raleigh, NC: Lulu.com, 2013. —— Professor Humes supplied the annotations. Tiwari, Rameswar, compiler, LB Trusty Shriver, ed, and Cynthia Ann Humes, ed. Rocks Are Melting: The Everyday Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Fairfield, IA: Clear River Press, 2000. —— Scanned hard-copy (online) manuscript, with annotations. May be tried as a companion to Paul Mason's 108 Discourses of Guru Dev. In addition, as mentioned in my first post, dedicated folks try to collect, preserve and have still more Guru Dev discourses translated. Funds would be good. Spreading the news too. A Yahoo group (see first post) is open so one may see what happens. For more information and sermons by the gurudev of the TM movement, there are Paul Mason's pages. -- T. Kinnes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
No problem, kiddo - You got nuttin', and I am enjoying this. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Hmmm. Assuming he sleeps at least 6 hours a night, that's almost 2.5 posts per hour, for two days. I'd better lay off of Jimbo before he melts down completely. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC Line on water, or on the ropes? You decide. Seems to me that someone this desperate to defend himself has an awful lot of self to defend. From: FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 378 messages as of (UTC) 11/25/14 00:04:36 84 fleetwood_macncheese
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
Oh damn, Sal, please airmail me that list you and Barry made up. You know, the one entitled, How An Enlightened Person Is Supposed To Act, And Not Hand Me My Ass With Both Hands. I'm waiting...:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Line on water, or on the ropes? You decide. Seems to me that someone this desperate to defend himself has an awful lot of self to defend. Ah, but he is speaking from the home of all the laws of nature so that's a lot of extra energy from the unified field to give him a much needed boost when he's flagging. And I think you should cut him some slack, you forget that he's doing spontaneous right action so it isn't like he gets a choice. Personally I feel sorry for him, imagine attaining the highest of the high, the goal of realising your birthright and then you spend all day searching the internet for photo's of people you don't like and putting juvenile captions on them. I don't remember that in the brochure. Jai Guru Dev! Go figure From: FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 378 messages as of (UTC) 11/25/14 00:04:36 84 fleetwood_macncheese
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
I don't wait in line, Mr. Carved In Stone - lol. This is like doing spiritual stand up... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Line on water, or on the ropes? You decide. Seems to me that someone this desperate to defend himself has an awful lot of self to defend. From: FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 378 messages as of (UTC) 11/25/14 00:04:36 84 fleetwood_macncheese
[FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
can you say, flop sweat? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment. Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church, and on other occasions? I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would listen. What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc. It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the guys in *that* church who wear dresses. At least Jim posted a couple of real pictures of you. And it's killing you. I know I might rot in hell for this but I'm loving the fact that he made you squirm and you're still squirming.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. It takes one to know one. Who woulda thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Yes, it is called support of Nature as it comes to happen in spiritual life. It is a huge benefit of spiritual practice. Though is not really a new definition. It's support like greasing the skids of life. It is pretty obvious. -Buck in the Dome Fleetwood observes: “..who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing [a] TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. fleetwood_macncheese wrote : Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. It takes one to know one. Who woulda thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Line on water, or on the ropes? You decide. Seems to me that someone this desperate to defend himself has an awful lot of self to defend. Ah, but he is speaking from the home of all the laws of nature so that's a lot of extra energy from the unified field to give him a much needed boost when he's flagging. And I think you should cut him some slack, you forget that he's doing spontaneous right action so it isn't like he gets a choice. Personally I feel sorry for him, imagine attaining the highest of the high, the goal of realising your birthright and then you spend all day searching the internet for photo's of people you don't like and putting juvenile captions on them. I don't remember that in the brochure. Jai Guru Dev! Go figure Thank you so much for pointing this out, Salyavin. Checking the Post Count this morning and realizing exactly *how* obsessed with me Jimbo has become, I had decided to lay off of him anyway, out of compassion. But your interpretation of his actions provides an even more compassionate view of him, and one that flatters *me* as well. If you are right, he really can't help but obsess on me, because the Laws Of Nature are forcing him to. But if you think it through, for the Laws Of Nature to make an Enlightened One obsess enough on little ol' me to write 40+ posts about me a day, they (the Laws Of Nature) must consider *me* pretty fuckin' important. Are they likely to force an Enlightened One to write 2.5 posts an hour about just anybody? No way. I must really rock. And the photos? The Laws Of Nature forced him to search not only my Facebook account, but to search the Facebook accounts of several other people (my FB Friends) to find them. The Laws Of Nature must think I'm pretty important, to force an Enlightened One to violate the privacy of people he's never even met or exchanged posts with. Clearly, I rock even more. So I'm going to swing behind your interpretation of Jimbo's actions, Sal, and cut him some slack. I'll stop bugging him about pretending to be a woman on FFL for months, because hey!...the Laws Of Nature probably forced him to do *that*, too. They also probably forced him to deny having done it, when he got caught at it. Interestingly, the most fascinating (and most compassionate) thing about your interpretation of Jimbo's actions, Sal, is that it works *whether he's enlightened or not*. If I'm wrong and he is enlightened, then according to Maharishi *of course* he has no will of his own and is just acting out the will of the Laws Of Nature. It's *them* doing the creepy stalking, not him. And if I'm right and instead of being enlightened he's just crazier than a bedbug, he *still* has no will of his own. It's the bad chemicals in his brain that are making him do things like stalk people he doesn't like (or know) and pretend to be a woman. Either way -- enlightened or insane -- he's off the hook. I'm still trying to work out how this works for the *others* who are stalking me, though. Y'know...Richard, Ann, and Steve. They're essentially obsessing on me almost as much as Jimbo is. Does this mean that *they* are enlightened, too, or that they're crazy, too? Curious minds want to know. :-) From: FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 378 messages as of (UTC) 11/25/14 00:04:36 84 fleetwood_macncheese
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
In definition Maharishi suggested the existence of five fundamentals of progress as active principles of evolution that could be applied in all areas of life and potentially necessary for the successful survival of every living organism or system. These attributes, possessed in balance, have also proven to be fundamental to the success of individuals, organizations, cultures, and societies. Yes, it is called support of Nature as it comes to happen in spiritual life. It is a huge benefit of spiritual practice. Though is not really a new definition. It's support like greasing the skids of life. It is pretty obvious. -Buck in the Dome Fleetwood observes: “..who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing [a] TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. fleetwood_macncheese wrote : Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. It takes one to know one. Who woulda thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-) When I was a newbie meditator I had this hunger for enlightenment, I'd had the experiences of CC up to unity many times and thought it must be an enviable state to be in all the time. After quitting my job and moving in to an academy I started to notice that people who had been doing TM for decades were for the most part, erm, highly eccentric, occasionally aggressive and generally rather odd. At first I put it down to the fact that they'd either not done enough TM or maybe too much . I did meet the occasionally evolved person which seemed to make it all worthwhile. You know the type, they carry a bit of dignity and have no obvious hang-ups or emotional blocks or ego problems. Clear minded people that act lively and always seem well adjusted. I think it was Maslow who had studied people who he described as self-realised and the description fits well. But then his description included open-minded inquiry and TMer's tend to have a True Believer devotee attribute. So I came to the conclusion - perhaps unfairly - that they must have been that personally quite evolved or halfway there to start with. I've yet to see any evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions. The big question is: Is it worth crossing the street for? I've yet to see or hear anything from the TMO that makes me want to do TM with enlightenment as the goal, let alone sit around in a dome for hours every day. So I guess not, we will all answer the question differently I suppose and be happy with the answer we give ourselves. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. It takes one to know one. Who woulda thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Line on water, or on the ropes? You decide. Seems to me that someone this desperate to defend himself has an awful lot of self to defend. Ah, but he is speaking from the home of all the laws of nature so that's a lot of extra energy from the unified field to give him a much needed boost when he's flagging. And I think you should cut him some slack, you forget that he's doing spontaneous right action so it isn't like he gets a choice. Personally I feel sorry for him, imagine attaining the highest of the high, the goal of realising your birthright and then you spend all day searching the internet for photo's of people you don't like and putting juvenile captions on them. I don't remember that in the brochure. Jai Guru Dev! Go figure Thank you so much for pointing this out, Salyavin. Checking the Post Count this morning and realizing exactly *how* obsessed with me Jimbo has become, I had decided to lay off of him anyway, out of compassion. But your interpretation of his actions provides an even more compassionate view of him, and one that flatters *me* as well. If you are right, he really can't help but obsess on me, because the Laws Of Nature are forcing him to. But if you think it through, for the Laws Of Nature to make an Enlightened One obsess enough on little ol' me to write 40+ posts about me a day, they (the Laws Of Nature) must consider *me* pretty fuckin' important. Are they likely to force an Enlightened One to write 2.5 posts an hour about just anybody? No way. I must really rock. And the photos? The Laws Of Nature forced him to search not only my Facebook account, but to search the Facebook accounts of several other people (my FB Friends) to find them. The Laws Of Nature must think I'm pretty important, to force an Enlightened One to violate the privacy of people he's never even met or exchanged posts with. Clearly, I rock even more. So I'm going to swing behind your interpretation of Jimbo's actions, Sal, and cut him some slack. I'll stop bugging him about pretending to be a woman on FFL for months, because hey!...the Laws Of Nature probably forced him to do *that*, too. They also probably forced him to deny having done it, when he got caught at it. Interestingly, the most fascinating (and most compassionate) thing about your interpretation of Jimbo's actions, Sal, is that it works *whether he's enlightened or not*. If I'm wrong and he is enlightened, then according to Maharishi *of course* he has no will of his own and is just acting out the will of the Laws Of Nature. It's *them* doing the creepy stalking, not him. And if I'm right and instead of being enlightened he's just crazier than a bedbug, he *still* has no will of his own. It's the bad chemicals in his brain that are making him do things like stalk people he doesn't like (or know) and pretend to be a woman. Either way -- enlightened or insane -- he's off the hook. I'm still trying to work out how this works for the *others* who are stalking me, though. Y'know...Richard, Ann, and Steve. They're essentially obsessing on me almost as much as Jimbo is. Does this mean that *they* are enlightened, too, or that they're crazy, too? Curious minds want to know. :-) Nabby was saying the other day that there are a lot more enlightened people around due to the world waking up, so maybe we've been given a glimpse of the full wonders that await us all when the New Age finally dawns in it's radiant completeness? From: FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 378 messages as of (UTC) 11/25/14 00:04:36 84 fleetwood_macncheese
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Well said, especially: I've yet to see any evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions. That's really it, the bottom line for me, too. From December of 1967 (when I started TM) to the present, *I have not met a single TMer* who I would consider enlightened, using traditional definitions of that term. Those TMers who have claimed to be enlightened have IMO *all* fallen into the categories you name above -- personality disordered, mentally ill, or imbalanced. I am *not* saying this to be mean, or to diss TM. I'm saying it because it's true. I really *haven't* met even a single person who practiced TM whom I would suspect of being enlightened. Not even one. Just to make the distinction clear, I *have* met people from other spiritual traditions who I have suspected were enlightened. I don't know for sure, of course, and never will, but at least there was a *possibility* with these individuals that I was talking with someone enlightened, rather than someone personality disordered, mentally ill, or imbalanced. With anyone who had spent any time in the TM movement, it was impossible for me to entertain that possibility. I have to believe, therefore -- based on my personal experience -- that TM not only does *not* produce enlightenment as it has been traditionally defined for centuries, it produces its opposite: personality disorder, mental illness, and systemic imbalance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-) When I was a newbie meditator I had this hunger for enlightenment, I'd had the experiences of CC up to unity many times and thought it must be an enviable state to be in all the time. After quitting my job and moving in to an academy I started to notice that people who had been doing TM for decades were for the most part, erm, highly eccentric, occasionally aggressive and generally rather odd. At first I put it down to the fact that they'd either not done enough TM or maybe too much . I did meet the occasionally evolved person which seemed to make it all worthwhile. You know the type, they carry a bit of dignity and have no obvious hang-ups or emotional blocks or ego problems. Clear minded people that act lively and always seem well adjusted. I think it was Maslow who had studied people who he described as self-realised and the description fits well. But then his description included open-minded inquiry and TMer's tend to have a True Believer devotee attribute. So I came to the conclusion - perhaps unfairly - that they must have been that personally quite evolved or halfway there to start with. I've yet to see any evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions. The big question is: Is it worth crossing the street for? I've yet to see or hear anything from the TMO that makes me want to do TM with enlightenment as the goal, let alone sit around in a dome for hours every day. So I guess not, we will all answer the question differently I suppose and be happy with the answer we give ourselves.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Yes, if there is anything mystical I experience in life, it is the support of Nature. Absolute magic. Allows me to accomplish anything I set my mind to, with obstacles eliminated before the task begins. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, it is called support of Nature as it comes to happen in spiritual life. It is a huge benefit of spiritual practice. Though is not really a new definition. It's support like greasing the skids of life. It is pretty obvious. -Buck in the Dome Fleetwood observes: “..who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing [a] TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. fleetwood_macncheese wrote : Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. It takes one to know one. Who woulda thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
Search Facebook Accounts?? Are you hallucinating, too? I despise Facebook, and would NEVER have an account on there. That site is for overgrown pimply teenagers like yourself, imo. I found your pictures, in five seconds, with the following search string on Google: Barry Wright Leiden polyamory Try it.:-) :-) :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Line on water, or on the ropes? You decide. Seems to me that someone this desperate to defend himself has an awful lot of self to defend. Ah, but he is speaking from the home of all the laws of nature so that's a lot of extra energy from the unified field to give him a much needed boost when he's flagging. And I think you should cut him some slack, you forget that he's doing spontaneous right action so it isn't like he gets a choice. Personally I feel sorry for him, imagine attaining the highest of the high, the goal of realising your birthright and then you spend all day searching the internet for photo's of people you don't like and putting juvenile captions on them. I don't remember that in the brochure. Jai Guru Dev! Go figure Thank you so much for pointing this out, Salyavin. Checking the Post Count this morning and realizing exactly *how* obsessed with me Jimbo has become, I had decided to lay off of him anyway, out of compassion. But your interpretation of his actions provides an even more compassionate view of him, and one that flatters *me* as well. If you are right, he really can't help but obsess on me, because the Laws Of Nature are forcing him to. But if you think it through, for the Laws Of Nature to make an Enlightened One obsess enough on little ol' me to write 40+ posts about me a day, they (the Laws Of Nature) must consider *me* pretty fuckin' important. Are they likely to force an Enlightened One to write 2.5 posts an hour about just anybody? No way. I must really rock. And the photos? The Laws Of Nature forced him to search not only my Facebook account, but to search the Facebook accounts of several other people (my FB Friends) to find them. The Laws Of Nature must think I'm pretty important, to force an Enlightened One to violate the privacy of people he's never even met or exchanged posts with. Clearly, I rock even more. So I'm going to swing behind your interpretation of Jimbo's actions, Sal, and cut him some slack. I'll stop bugging him about pretending to be a woman on FFL for months, because hey!...the Laws Of Nature probably forced him to do *that*, too. They also probably forced him to deny having done it, when he got caught at it. Interestingly, the most fascinating (and most compassionate) thing about your interpretation of Jimbo's actions, Sal, is that it works *whether he's enlightened or not*. If I'm wrong and he is enlightened, then according to Maharishi *of course* he has no will of his own and is just acting out the will of the Laws Of Nature. It's *them* doing the creepy stalking, not him. And if I'm right and instead of being enlightened he's just crazier than a bedbug, he *still* has no will of his own. It's the bad chemicals in his brain that are making him do things like stalk people he doesn't like (or know) and pretend to be a woman. Either way -- enlightened or insane -- he's off the hook. I'm still trying to work out how this works for the *others* who are stalking me, though. Y'know...Richard, Ann, and Steve. They're essentially obsessing on me almost as much as Jimbo is. Does this mean that *they* are enlightened, too, or that they're crazy, too? Curious minds want to know. :-) From: FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 378 messages as of (UTC) 11/25/14 00:04:36 84 fleetwood_macncheese
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
You have a very telling habit, Barry. Every time you get your butt seriously kicked, the other person automatically becomes crazy. Enjoy those boot prints on your buttocks, big boy. You have insulted, demeaned, distorted and slandered so many people on here, due to your hubris, sadistic tendencies, and ignorance. I am enjoying the payback, as are many others. You are an asshole, who has insisted on my attention, so enjoy it, while you've got it. :-) :-) :-) Or you could just start TM, and transform into a much nicer, more socially and financially responsible person. But you won't - you seem to enjoy putting your brokenness on display, and I'll gladly continue to play the spotlight on your performance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well said, especially: I've yet to see any evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions. That's really it, the bottom line for me, too. From December of 1967 (when I started TM) to the present, *I have not met a single TMer* who I would consider enlightened, using traditional definitions of that term. Those TMers who have claimed to be enlightened have IMO *all* fallen into the categories you name above -- personality disordered, mentally ill, or imbalanced. I am *not* saying this to be mean, or to diss TM. I'm saying it because it's true. I really *haven't* met even a single person who practiced TM whom I would suspect of being enlightened. Not even one. Just to make the distinction clear, I *have* met people from other spiritual traditions who I have suspected were enlightened. I don't know for sure, of course, and never will, but at least there was a *possibility* with these individuals that I was talking with someone enlightened, rather than someone personality disordered, mentally ill, or imbalanced. With anyone who had spent any time in the TM movement, it was impossible for me to entertain that possibility. I have to believe, therefore -- based on my personal experience -- that TM not only does *not* produce enlightenment as it has been traditionally defined for centuries, it produces its opposite: personality disorder, mental illness, and systemic imbalance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-) When I was a newbie meditator I had this hunger for enlightenment, I'd had the experiences of CC up to unity many times and thought it must be an enviable state to be in all the time. After quitting my job and moving in to an academy I started to notice that people who had been doing TM for decades were for the most part, erm, highly eccentric, occasionally aggressive and generally rather odd. At first I put it down to the fact that they'd either not done enough TM or maybe too much . I did meet the occasionally evolved person which seemed to make it all worthwhile. You know the type, they carry a bit of dignity and have no obvious hang-ups or emotional blocks or ego problems. Clear minded people that act lively and always seem well adjusted. I think it was Maslow who had studied people who he described as self-realised and the description fits well. But then his description included open-minded inquiry and TMer's tend to have a True Believer devotee attribute. So I came to the conclusion - perhaps unfairly - that they must have been that personally quite evolved or halfway there to start with. I've yet to see any evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions. The big question is: Is it worth crossing the street for? I've yet to see or hear anything from the TMO that makes me want to do TM with enlightenment as the goal, let alone sit around in a dome for hours every day. So I guess not, we will all answer the question differently I suppose and be happy with the answer we give ourselves.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
thanks, Feste, maybe see you on Thanksgiving... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened I agree with Share on this. I remember seeing some posts from enlightened_dawn and never for a moment thought the handle referred to a woman named Dawn. I assumed it was a variation on dawn of the age of enlightenment that MMY used to say, like an enlightened dawn. The idea that the poster was pretending to be a woman is ridiculous. You might as well say that TurquoiseBee is pretending to be a turquoise bee. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : That is one interpretation, but I have started to read some of those old posts. I have not found the part where Jim supposedly says he is a woman as search is really only partially functional in Neo, and not much better in the archive, but Barry ragged on him about it back then. And Jim denied that enlightened_dawn11 was him, and also said, as enlightened_dawn11, that he/she was new to the forum, even though Jim seemed to have been on the forum for about a year before that under his own name. So my research is incomplete, and I will be busy for the next few days, so I do not know when I will have time to read more of that. The exchanges between Barry and Jim back then seem pretty much the way they run now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I've always assumed that Fleetwood's dawn name meant something like enlightened sunrise. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened Isn't it fascinating that after all these years Jim Flanegin STILL can't admit that he posed as a woman here on Fairfield Life for several months, posting as enlightened_dawn all that time? One *really* has to wonder 1) what the fuck he was *thinking* doing that, and for so long, and 2) what is wrong with his supporters that they manage to ignore it. It's really the biggest elephant in the room display of denial and cognitive dissonance in the history of the forum, even bigger than Robin Carlsen trying to continue denying that he'd hit his students, immediately after having admitted it. The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. When you think about it, that's no weirder than convincing himself he's enlightened. Whatever. Bottom line is that it's probably a good thing he's living way out in the boonies now, where he can't hurt anyone if he has another similar breakdown. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. Tobe honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as awoman for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment. Isthis a technique he would suggest to other people interested inbecoming enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only whenposting on the Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work,shopping, going to church, and on other occasions? Ithink that many who are interested in enlightenment would also beinterested in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending tobe a woman for so long, he's never admitted to having done it. One wouldthink that an enlightened being who has come up with such an innovativesadhana as Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it upto all who would listen. Whatserious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managedto conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'msure they'd also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions aboutwhich public restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc. Itjust doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment tosuch a revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of theopposite sex clams up and refuses to talk about it every time thesubject comes up. It's almost as if by doing this he's saying,Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was one of the key techniquesthat allowed me to become so much better and more evolved than all ofyou. But if you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
Thanksgiving will be a glorious holiday this year! A great time to get together - self, family, socially, and nationally. I am really looking forward to it. It has been difficult to commercialize, beyond The Feast, and remains a tradition, our only one in this country, where the purpose is simply to share thanks, and get together, as a people, and as a tribe, albeit a rather large, unwieldy one. Its good for us. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : thanks, Feste, maybe see you on Thanksgiving... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened I agree with Share on this. I remember seeing some posts from enlightened_dawn and never for a moment thought the handle referred to a woman named Dawn. I assumed it was a variation on dawn of the age of enlightenment that MMY used to say, like an enlightened dawn. The idea that the poster was pretending to be a woman is ridiculous. You might as well say that TurquoiseBee is pretending to be a turquoise bee. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : That is one interpretation, but I have started to read some of those old posts. I have not found the part where Jim supposedly says he is a woman as search is really only partially functional in Neo, and not much better in the archive, but Barry ragged on him about it back then. And Jim denied that enlightened_dawn11 was him, and also said, as enlightened_dawn11, that he/she was new to the forum, even though Jim seemed to have been on the forum for about a year before that under his own name. So my research is incomplete, and I will be busy for the next few days, so I do not know when I will have time to read more of that. The exchanges between Barry and Jim back then seem pretty much the way they run now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I've always assumed that Fleetwood's dawn name meant something like enlightened sunrise. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened Isn't it fascinating that after all these years Jim Flanegin STILL can't admit that he posed as a woman here on Fairfield Life for several months, posting as enlightened_dawn all that time? One *really* has to wonder 1) what the fuck he was *thinking* doing that, and for so long, and 2) what is wrong with his supporters that they manage to ignore it. It's really the biggest elephant in the room display of denial and cognitive dissonance in the history of the forum, even bigger than Robin Carlsen trying to continue denying that he'd hit his students, immediately after having admitted it. The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. When you think about it, that's no weirder than convincing himself he's enlightened. Whatever. Bottom line is that it's probably a good thing he's living way out in the boonies now, where he can't hurt anyone if he has another similar breakdown. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment. Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church, and on other occasions? I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would listen. What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
How can an enlightened person be naive?
And according to TMO knowledge that they got from Mahesh the Fraud Varma, all
that should be necessary to end the wars in that area of the world would be for
you and all the other at least 10,000 TM enlightened people to go to the Middle
East and just hang around and your sattva will automatically and spontaneously
eliminate all the stress, conflict and negativity.
So what you waiting for? Why don't you use your enlightenment and organize
all the other TM enlightened to do a end the war trip to the Mid East? Eh? Put
your ass where your mouth is - this would be a fine way to PROVE your
enlightenment and the fact that Mahesh the Fraud Varma was not a fraud and the
TMO is legit.
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing
applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in
Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of
their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting
our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only
attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to
defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar
army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a
couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again.
What a mess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against
the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to
carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US
troops may end up fighting in Iraq again.
In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall
apart.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: The D Brief: An American released from Yemen; All the reasons why Hagel ...
From: defense...@gove-media.com Reply-to: the-d-br...@defenseone.com To: wle...@aol.com Sent: 11/25/2014 8:36:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: The D Brief: An American released from Yemen; All the reasons why Hagel wasn’t fired; WH Friendly Fire; Needing a journo on the Pentagon’s wall; Twitter problems for the AF; And a bit more. Problems viewing? _View as a web page_ (http://gove-media.com/portal/wts/ugmcfObkk9ebbzjr2cr7Egec7Bq^oDa) (http://gove-media.com/portal/wts/ugmcfObkk9ebbzjr2cr7Eg|c7Bq^oDa) (http://gove-media.com/portal/wts/ugmcfObkk9ebbzjr2cr7Egmc7Bq^oDa) (http://gove-media.com/portal/wts/ugmcfObkk9ebbzjr2cr7Egqc7Bq^oDa) (http://gove-media.com/portal/wts/ugmcfObkk9ebbzjr2cr7Eg^c7Bq^oDa) November 25, 2014 By Gordon Lubold with Ben Watson Overnight: A person identified as a U.S. service member or military expert was released along with other hostages from Yemen this morning. A senior defense official told The D Brief this morning it was too soon to say anything about the individual released being a uniformed service member or a contractor, but that Pentagon officials were trying to gather more facts. AP called the individual a foreigner: …The committee did not identify the foreigner's nationality, though a security official told The Associated Press that the expatriate worked as a military adviser at the al-Annad base, where American and European officials help Yemen battle the country's local al-Qaida local branch through drone strikes and logistical support. Brought to you by Defense One The Defense One App now Updated! _Get real-time news stories, breaking news alerts, and trending topics in defense. Now with updated features and deeper coverage from the White House to the battlefield._ (http://gove-media.com/portal/wts/ugmcfObkk9ebbzjr2cr7Eg2c7Bq^oDa) _Download Now._ (http://gove-media.com/portal/wts/ugmcfObkk9ebbzjr2cr7Eg6c7Bq^oDa) The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief journalists, said the raid was carried out with U.S. logistical support and that the militants have tried several times to attack the air base. More _here._ (http://gove-media.com/portal/wts/ugmcfObkk9ebbzjr2cr7Eg-c7Bq^oDa) BBC: A group of seven Yemenis and a US military expert who were taken hostage by a group linked to al-Qaeda have been freed by Yemeni Special Forces, a local security source has told the BBC. The eight were captured in Lahij province in southern Yemen. Seven kidnappers were reported to have killed in the overnight operation. Scores of people have been kidnapped in Yemen in recent years, by tribesmen for ransom, and more recently by Islamist militants as part of their insurgency. More _here._ (http://gove-media.com/portal/wts/ugmcfObkk9ebbzjr2cr7EgDc7Bq^oDa) From Al Jazeera: …The Pentagon said in 2012 that the United States had resumed on-the-ground military training aimed at bolstering Yemen's fight against al-Qaeda following a suspension of such help during a period of intense political upheaval. More _here._ (http://gove-media.com/portal/wts/ugmcfObkk9ebbzjr2cr7Ehec7Bq^oDa) Meantime, Hagel's perceived weakness served as a fig leaf for a White House determined to show that it was shaking up its national security approach. Just 21 months into his tenure, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel was unceremoniously fired at a brief White House ceremony yesterday in what amounted to a surprise move that in other ways wasn't a surprise. The WaPo's David Ignatius had signaled that Obama was looking to shake things up on his national security staff more than a month ago, but it was unclear if Hagel would become the sacrificial lamb. Indeed, Hagel remained loyal and, while not loudly distinguishing himself as Secretary, had had no major stumbles, had tried to assert himself on Middle East war policy and had just hired a new chief of staff, Rexyon Ryu, in August. Just last week, he unveiled a vision for the Pentagon. But in many ways, it was not a surprise at all that he was forced to resign. The White House has been scrambling for solutions for turmoil in the Middle East, trying to find a strategy that at least appears to be addressing the problem while maintaining President Obama's political pledge at home to keep combat boots out of the fight. That may become impossible, but Hagel was viewed by the White House as unable to find those politically palatable solutions that in fact may not exist. Hagel initiated a conversation with Obama before Halloween. In total, there were three conversations with the President, all one-on-one, we're told by a senior defense official, but no conclusions were drawn until last week. On Thursday, White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough came to the Pentagon – most uncommon for even low-level White
[FairfieldLife] Misunderstanding the living of Enlightenment
How? Variation of social behavior and ethics is called of “life in the body”. You and some of the other apostates here are trying hard in making rigid assumptions to have postulates of your own narrow ways about living enlightenment. Along with the OEM there is nature and there comes nurture in our culture of the living of life by virtue then of what comes with family, upbringing and a range of standard faculties one has in the world with the human form. Otherwise grouped as the range of human character that individuates us along with the possibility of enlightenment. Science now and the larger experience of sages tells us to make use of our time here and meditate with an effective transcending meditation as spiritual practice. Son on good advice, make haste! Make use of your time whilst yous gots a life on this planet. Or more succinctly said as Gandalf fairly says it, “Fly, you fools!”Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74@... wrote : How can an enlightened person be naive?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training...
yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One*
decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops
home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation
that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How
long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in
Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four
thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars,
and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the
toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all
again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news,
that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as
promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise!
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing
applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in
Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of
their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting
our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only
attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to
defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar
army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a
couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again.
What a mess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against
the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to
carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US
troops may end up fighting in Iraq again.
In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall
apart.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Hmmm. Assuming he sleeps at least 6 hours a night, that's almost 2.5 posts per hour, for two days. I'd better lay off of Jimbo before he melts down completely. Yes, Jim must be positively seething and he finds himself out of control posting to get you back. Wait, you are the guy who doesn't read his posts and yet you've been responding to him non-stop for the past two days and combing the web for tranny pictures to post to imply that's Jim. Too late, you've already had your melt down, my apologies. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC Line on water, or on the ropes? You decide. Seems to me that someone this desperate to defend himself has an awful lot of self to defend. From: FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 378 messages as of (UTC) 11/25/14 00:04:36 84 fleetwood_macncheese
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Search Facebook Accounts?? Are you hallucinating, too? I despise Facebook, and would NEVER have an account on there. That site is for overgrown pimply teenagers like yourself, imo. I found your pictures, in five seconds, with the following search string on Google: Barry Wright Leiden polyamory Try it.:-) :-) :-) Yes, interesting. It turns out the lampshade is a paper hat on his head. Some insights into bawee's life here; he seems nicer when not at FFL. I wonder why that is? The whole subject of polyamory is interesting. Reading about the dad in the family I wonder how willing he would be to share his daughter Maya with outside families - allow her to live and be loved and kept and nourished/raised by other households in the same way he is willing to allow his lovers the same freedoms. He does say that Maya especially is the light of his life, his main love so I would have to wonder if he wouldn't want to hold her much closer to himself in every way, but only he could tell us that. I have lots of ideas about polyamory and I know it has been sort of discussed here but bawee, as usual, was criticizing and abusing anyone who had qualms about it. Maybe because he doesn't read 90% of the posters here we could have a civilized discussion about it now.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect
Anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield IA? Was group program called off yesterday?
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect
Does anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield Ia.? Was group program called off yesterday?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Good point - Better if we had seen this ahead of time, and not made the incursion. And now in Afghanistan (where opium growing is wy up, since our invasion), we'll be there indefinitely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
There is no way, at all, to end the war within you, MJ. Even if I did exactly as you say in your post. Next, it would be your burnt toast, or your stubbed toe, or the fight you had with your wife. Peace begins within. Otherwise, it just causes you more misery to blame your lack of same, on something else. Hope you have a good Thanksgiving (and I wouldn't broach your favorite rant at the table, either, just this once...). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How can an enlightened person be naive? And according to TMO knowledge that they got from Mahesh the Fraud Varma, all that should be necessary to end the wars in that area of the world would be for you and all the other at least 10,000 TM enlightened people to go to the Middle East and just hang around and your sattva will automatically and spontaneously eliminate all the stress, conflict and negativity. So what you waiting for? Why don't you use your enlightenment and organize all the other TM enlightened to do a end the war trip to the Mid East? Eh? Put your ass where your mouth is - this would be a fine way to PROVE your enlightenment and the fact that Mahesh the Fraud Varma was not a fraud and the TMO is legit. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
On 11/24/2014 5:08 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Now, now. You don't want to insult dogs, do you? :-)/* /empty shill or turqey? //* */ *From:* emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:06 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more I believe that's spelled Pundit Çur.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
Wouldn't work for me, but if others are into it, like most things that aren't hurting me or costing me money, I really have no opinion on it, one way or the other. It doesn't seem like a viable set-up for most people, long-term. Barring any sort of legal agreement, I would hope that plans are in place, to ensure any child's happiness, and continued security, should the arrangement end. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Search Facebook Accounts?? Are you hallucinating, too? I despise Facebook, and would NEVER have an account on there. That site is for overgrown pimply teenagers like yourself, imo. I found your pictures, in five seconds, with the following search string on Google: Barry Wright Leiden polyamory Try it.:-) :-) :-) Yes, interesting. It turns out the lampshade is a paper hat on his head. Some insights into bawee's life here; he seems nicer when not at FFL. I wonder why that is? The whole subject of polyamory is interesting. Reading about the dad in the family I wonder how willing he would be to share his daughter Maya with outside families - allow her to live and be loved and kept and nourished/raised by other households in the same way he is willing to allow his lovers the same freedoms. He does say that Maya especially is the light of his life, his main love so I would have to wonder if he wouldn't want to hold her much closer to himself in every way, but only he could tell us that. I have lots of ideas about polyamory and I know it has been sort of discussed here but bawee, as usual, was criticizing and abusing anyone who had qualms about it. Maybe because he doesn't read 90% of the posters here we could have a civilized discussion about it now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Exactly. Perhaps we could request from Yahoo Groups, a virtual doggy bag, placed on the screen, and every time Barry behaves himself, he gets a doggy treat, or virtual pat on the head. However, too much barking, or making a mess on the floor, and the bag would disappear for awhile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/24/2014 5:08 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Now, now. You don't want to insult dogs, do you? :-) empty shill or turqey? From: emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:emptybill@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more I believe that's spelled Pundit Çur.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
On 11/25/2014 6:51 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Search Facebook Accounts?? Are you hallucinating, too? I despise Facebook, and would NEVER have an account on there. That site is for overgrown pimply teenagers like yourself, imo. I found your pictures, in five seconds, with the following search string on Google: Barry Wright Leiden polyamory /Maybe Barry should have put a better-looking photo of himself on his Facebook page. He looks really old and grumpy in that photo. Go figure./ Try it.:-) :-) :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */Line on water, or on the ropes? You decide./* */ /* */Seems to me that someone this desperate to defend himself has an awful lot of self to defend./* Ah, but he is speaking from the home of all the laws of nature so that's a lot of extra energy from the unified field to give him a much needed boost when he's flagging. And I think you should cut him some slack, you forget that he's doing spontaneous right action so it isn't like he gets a choice. Personally I feel sorry for him, imagine attaining the highest of the high, the goal of realising your birthright and then you spend all day searching the internet for photo's of people you don't like and putting juvenile captions on them. I don't remember that in the brochure. Jai Guru Dev! Go figure */Thank you so much for pointing this out, Salyavin. Checking the Post Count this morning and realizing exactly *how* obsessed with me Jimbo has become, I had decided to lay off of him anyway, out of compassion. But your interpretation of his actions provides an even more compassionate view of him, and one that flatters *me* as well. /* */ /* */If you are right, he really can't help but obsess on me, because the Laws Of Nature are forcing him to. But if you think it through, for the Laws Of Nature to make an Enlightened One obsess enough on little ol' me to write 40+ posts about me a day, they (the Laws Of Nature) must consider *me* pretty fuckin' important. Are they likely to force an Enlightened One to write 2.5 posts an hour about just anybody? /* */ /* */No way. I must really rock. /* */ /* */And the photos? The Laws Of Nature forced him to search not only my Facebook account, but to search the Facebook accounts of several other people (my FB Friends) to find them. The Laws Of Nature must think I'm pretty important, to force an Enlightened One to violate the privacy of people he's never even met or exchanged posts with. Clearly, /**/I rock even more. /* */ /* */So I'm going to swing behind your interpretation of Jimbo's actions, Sal, and cut him some slack. I'll stop bugging him about pretending to be a woman on FFL for months, because hey!...the Laws Of Nature probably forced him to do *that*, too. They also probably forced him to deny having done it, when he got caught at it. /* */ /* */Interestingly, the most fascinating (and most compassionate) thing about your interpretation of Jimbo's actions, Sal, is that it works *whether he's enlightened or not*. /* */ /* */If I'm wrong and he is enlightened, then /**/*/according to Maharishi /**of course* he has no will of his own and is just acting out the will of the Laws Of Nature. It's *them* doing the creepy stalking, not him. And if I'm right and instead of being enlightened he's just crazier than a bedbug, he *still* has no will of his own. It's the bad chemicals in his brain that are making him do things like stalk people he doesn't like (or know) and pretend to be a woman. Either way -- enlightened or insane -- he's off the hook. /* */ /* */I'm still trying to work out how this works for the *others* who are stalking me, though. Y'know...Richard, Ann, and Steve. They're essentially obsessing on me almost as much as Jimbo is. Does this mean that *they* are enlightened, too, or that they're crazy, too? Curious minds want to know. :-)/* *From:* FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 378 messages as of (UTC) 11/25/14 00:04:36 *84 fleetwood_macncheese*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Misunderstanding the living of Enlightenment
What I am trying to get you to see is that Marshy's definition of enlightenment
was bs as was his lack of knowledge about what real enlightenment was. Even the
TB'ers like Fleet throw what M said out the window so they can follow the bs
now being touted by the new age enlightenment crowd like Adyashanti and Mooji
who all seem to say that whatever you say enlightenment is, that's what it is.
Its all baloney.
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:23 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Misunderstanding the living of Enlightenment
How? Variation of social behavior and ethics is called of “life in thebody”.
You and some of the other apostates here are trying hard inmaking rigid
assumptions to have postulates of your own narrow waysabout living
enlightenment. Along with the OEM there is nature andthere comes nurture in our
culture of the living of life by virtuethen of what comes with family,
upbringing and a range of standardfaculties one has in the world with the human
form. Otherwise groupedas the range of human character that individuates us
along with thepossibility of enlightenment. Science now and the larger
experienceof sages tells us to make use of our time here and meditate with
aneffective transcending meditation as spiritual practice. Son on goodadvice,
make haste! Make use of your time whilst yous gots a life onthis planet. Or
more succinctly said as Gandalf fairly says it, “Fly, youfools!” Jai Guru
Dev, -Buck in the Dome
mjackson74@... wrote :
How can an enlightened person be naive?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect
227.5 miles - evidently the Marshy Effect is still to funnel money from TB'ers
pockets to the TMO's coffers, rather than create peace. OF course, the TMO will
have a different spin on the situation, the remedy of which will include giving
more money to the TMO, you know, to get more pundits and increase the Dome
numbers - ha ha!
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:29 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect
Does anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield Ia.? Was group
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
On 11/24/2014 9:23 PM, feste37 wrote: I agree with Share on this. I remember seeing some posts from enlightened_dawn and never for a moment thought the handle referred to a woman named Dawn. I assumed it was a variation on dawn of the age of enlightenment that MMY used to say, like an enlightened dawn. The idea that the poster was pretending to be a woman is ridiculous. You might as well say that TurquoiseBee is pretending to be a turquoise bee. The alias TurquoiseB was taken by Barry from the Sixth Dalai Lama of Tibet, Tsangyang Gyatso: /He had grown up a youth of high intelligence, liberal to a fault, fond of pleasure, of wine and of women, eventually becoming a drunk and later led a playboy lifestyle. He disappeared near Qinghai, probably murdered, on his way to China in 1706./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_Dalai_Lama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_Dalai_Lama. The Bohemian Poet - A Short Biography of the Sixth Dalai Lama: http://www.kalachakra.org/articles/sixth_dalai.shtml ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : That is one interpretation, but I have started to read some of those old posts. I have not found the part where Jim supposedly says he is a woman as search is really only partially functional in Neo, and not much better in the archive, but Barry ragged on him about it back then. And Jim denied that enlightened_dawn11 was him, and also said, as enlightened_dawn11, that he/she was new to the forum, even though Jim seemed to have been on the forum for about a year before that under his own name. So my research is incomplete, and I will be busy for the next few days, so I do not know when I will have time to read more of that. The exchanges between Barry and Jim back then seem pretty much the way they run now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I've always assumed that Fleetwood's dawn name meant something like enlightened sunrise. *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 4:21 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened */Isn't it fascinating that after all these years Jim Flanegin STILL can't admit that he posed as a woman here on Fairfield Life for several months, posting as enlightened_dawn all that time?/* */ /* */One *really* has to wonder 1) what the fuck he was *thinking* doing that, and for so long, and 2) what is wrong with his supporters that they manage to ignore it. It's really the biggest elephant in the room display of denial and cognitive dissonance in the history of the forum, even bigger than Robin Carlsen trying to continue denying that he'd hit his students, immediately after having admitted it. /* */ /* */The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. /* */ /* */When you think about it, that's no weirder than convincing himself he's enlightened./* */ /* */Whatever. Bottom line is that it's probably a good thing he's living way out in the boonies now, where he can't hurt anyone if he has another similar breakdown. /* *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 5:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened *From:* anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. */To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment. /* */ /* */Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church, and on other occasions?/* */ /* */I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would listen. /* */ /* */What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to conceal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Search Facebook Accounts?? Are you hallucinating, too? I despise Facebook, and would NEVER have an account on there. That site is for overgrown pimply teenagers like yourself, imo. I found your pictures, in five seconds, with the following search string on Google: Barry Wright Leiden polyamory Try it.:-) :-) :-) On 11/25/2014 9:01 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, interesting. It turns out the lampshade is a paper hat on his head. /Now this is weird - Barry made fun of the Rajas wearing Burgher King hats, yet Barry wears a paper hat? Is that cognitive dissonance or just plain hypocrisy. or both? Go figure./ Some insights into bawee's life here; he seems nicer when not at FFL. I wonder why that is? The whole subject of polyamory is interesting. Reading about the dad in the family I wonder how willing he would be to share his daughter Maya with outside families - allow her to live and be loved and kept and nourished/raised by other households in the same way he is willing to allow his lovers the same freedoms. He does say that Maya especially is the light of his life, his main love so I would have to wonder if he wouldn't want to hold her much closer to himself in every way, but only he could tell us that. I have lots of ideas about polyamory and I know it has been sort of discussed here but bawee, as usual, was criticizing and abusing anyone who had qualms about it. Maybe because he doesn't read 90% of the posters here we could have a civilized discussion about it now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
I would think that you as a conservative would wants the troops home, bases closed and military spending reduced. After all that stuff is big government which you disdain so much.;-) On 11/25/2014 06:32 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi
On 11/25/2014 9:26 AM, tkinnes wrote: Paul wonders for example what Maharishi replaced 'Paramatma(n)' with, what word(s) did Maharishi use for Supreme (Highest, Ultimate etc.) Brahman? According to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon the Sanskrit word para and paramatma means /Supreme or Absolute Being , the Universal Soul - or the soul of the universe./ http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
On 11/25/2014 11:03 AM, Bhairitu wrote: I would think that you as a conservative would wants the troops home, bases closed and military spending reduced. After all that stuff is big government which you disdain so much.;-) /Almost everyone, liberal or conservative, wants to bring our troops home, close the bases, and reduce the military spending. But, if the U.S. did that, who would defend Europe from the Russians and defend Japan and South Korea from the Chinese and North Koreans? Sometimes you just don't make any sense, Barry2. What would happen if the U.S. didn't honor signed treaties with our allies? I think you know the answer to this already, but I'd like to see your response in writing. Thanks./ On 11/25/2014 06:32 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
On 11/25/2014 09:18 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 11/25/2014 11:03 AM, Bhairitu wrote: I would think that you as a conservative would wants the troops home, bases closed and military spending reduced. After all that stuff is big government which you disdain so much.;-) /Almost everyone, liberal or conservative, wants to bring our troops home, close the bases, and reduce the military spending. But, if the U.S. did that, who would defend Europe from the Russians and defend Japan and South Korea from the Chinese and North Koreans? / 'Scuse me? Those countries can defend themselves. They've got plenty of money. Why should Americans do it? / Sometimes you just don't make any sense, Barry2./ Apprently because I'm talking above your pay grade. /What would happen if the U.S. didn't honor signed treaties with our allies? I think you know the answer to this already, but I'd like to see your response in writing. Thanks./ You mean the profit making military industrial complex would lose out on a lot of their blood money? On 11/25/2014 06:32 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
No, Buck, this is not what it means, it means people are directly seen as being
in the enlightened state, not necessarily realised however. If this makes no
sense, maybe some day it will.
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
Yes,in what we now know as spiritual 'field effect'.
Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome
anartaxius writes :
One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment
he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'.
The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same
thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means. #yiv1158574437 #yiv1158574437 --
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
Seems to me that we not only cannot e sure what the Buddha meant when he said this (2500 years of transmission via languages that have changed a LOT in 2500 years), but we can't even be sure that he said it in the first place (see first parenthetical remark). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : No, Buck, this is not what it means, it means people are directly seen as being in the enlightened state, not necessarily realised however. If this makes no sense, maybe some day it will. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened Yes, in what we now know as spiritual 'field effect'. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome anartaxius writes : One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
You mean the 30,000 Peruvian school kids who practice TM, according to _El Peruano_, the official Peruvian government newspaper, aren't practicing TM? Enseñan meditación a 30,000 escolares http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VHT http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VHT Enseñan meditación a 30,000 escolares http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VHT Son las tres de la tarde, suena el timbre y los alumnos de cuarto, quinto y sexto de primaria del colegio César Vallejo, en La Victoria, saben que es el momento de ... View on www.elperua... http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VHT Preview by Yahoo L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Bull - the TMO would be lucky to have 10,000 total even doing TM these days. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more Globally? I would think on the order of 10,000 or so enlightened souls, to date, given the efficiency of the technique. This glee that you and the other spiritual losers, evince, whenever you see a false enlightenment, is very telling. Get over the bile, and learn to live life in a joyful, expressive and successful way. Hiding behind TVs, word floods, bongs and beers doesn't cut it. Sickening to see your laziness, and lack of personal responsibility, regarding your own liberation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Buddha taught for 45 years. Maharishi for 57 or so years. Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. So what is Maharishi's tally? I did once hear there was a group of people in Fairfield, IA that had had awakening experiences, and that they used to meet somewhere in the town to discuss things, but eventually disbanded, once it became clear there was nothing more to discuss. Apparently though it helped some accommodate to the happening as it was very disorienting for some to have an experience that they totally did not expect. By the way Nabby what does Nablusoss mean, if anything? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Eh, Fred Travis recently said he's found (last I heard) 51 new enlightened subjects for a new study he's doing on the physiology of Cosmic Consciousness. That would be in addition to the 17 he studied in the first paper(s -physiological and psychological measures of the same groups of people were reported in two different papers). http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. It takes one to know one. Who woulda thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect
Since the number of Pundits is down to about 200 and the number of TM-Sidhas practicing is way below the number their theory says is required, the most they could say is that they have failed to have a positive effect on Ferguson because they have failed to keep their numbers sufficiently high. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : 227.5 miles - evidently the Marshy Effect is still to funnel money from TB'ers pockets to the TMO's coffers, rather than create peace. OF course, the TMO will have a different spin on the situation, the remedy of which will include giving more money to the TMO, you know, to get more pundits and increase the Dome numbers - ha ha! From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Does anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield Ia.? Was group program called off yesterday?
[FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Fleetwood, IMO, Iraq and Syria have become a world problem. We now have seen the threat of the Islamist State if they took over the land. IS will massacre innocent people who won't submit to their beliefs within their dominion. IS will continue to usurp power and lands win the Middle East. If and when they succeed, the European countries and the USA will be next in their agenda. My recommendation would be have an international force, particularly those from Arab countries, to eliminate IS, maintain peace and stabilize Iraq and Syria. Also, it would be necessary to let the governments be truly democratic that will fairly distribute the power and wealth to all people, including the various ethnic minorities in those lands. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
I would think that you as a conservative would wants the troops home, bases closed and military spending reduced. After all that stuff is big government which you disdain so much.;-) /Almost everyone, liberal or conservative, wants to bring our troops home, close the bases, and reduce the military spending. But, if the U.S. did that, who would defend Europe from the Russians and defend Japan and South Korea from the Chinese and North Koreans? / On 11/25/2014 11:51 AM, Bhairitu wrote: // 'Scuse me? Those countries can defend themselves. So, why then are the Ukrainians being invaded by Russian troops? Do you seriously believe that Finland could win a war against the Russians? They've got plenty of money. Not enough to win a war on their own. Thanks to the U.S. and it's military, sent in by the democratic president to save Europe and the Pacific from the Nazis and the Japanese and help rebuild their economy after it was destroyed by the Germans and Japanese war of aggression. You don't seem to be much on history. Go figure. /Germany conquered or controlled much of continental Europe, and formed the Axis alliance with Italy and Japan. In December 1941, Japan attacked the United States and European territories in the Pacific Ocean, and quickly conquered much of the Western Pacific./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt Why should Americans do it? Because the U.S. signed treaties with our allies in order to help them defend themselves? If the U.S. was to suddenly abrogate our agreements, how long do you think it would take for the Russians to annex all Europe? / / / Sometimes you just don't make any sense, Barry2./ Apprently because I'm talking above your pay grade. /You sound kind of naive about power and idealistic in the extreme. Go figure. / /What would happen if the U.S. didn't honor signed treaties with our allies? I think you know the answer to this already, but I'd like to see your response in writing. Thanks./ You mean the profit making military industrial complex would lose out on a lot of their blood money? /What profit? The U.S. military spends money, not make it. And, why do you suppose the U.S. Congress appropriates money to fund the U.S. military since before 1776?/ On 11/25/2014 06:32 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
If the Vice documentary is correct IS has Iran on their agenda. Love to see them try that as Iran will take care of exterminating them. On 11/25/2014 10:36 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Fleetwood, IMO, Iraq and Syria have become a world problem. We now have seen the threat of the Islamist State if they took over the land. IS will massacre innocent people who won't submit to their beliefs within their dominion. IS will continue to usurp power and lands win the Middle East. If and when they succeed, the European countries and the USA will be next in their agenda. My recommendation would be have an international force, particularly those from Arab countries, to eliminate IS, maintain peace and stabilize Iraq and Syria. Also, it would be necessary to let the governments be truly democratic that will fairly distribute the power and wealth to all people, including the various ethnic minorities in those lands. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
The designated purpose of the military is protect the country and it's
interests. It surely is in the interest of the nation to see the continuous,
uninterrupted flow of oil to the rest of the world out of the middle east.
Whether we need middle eastern oil or not, the rest of the world does and since
our economies are so interconnected, to let our trading partners suffer a
sudden cut off would severely disrupt our own economy.Were there no tyrants in
the world, we wouldn't need a military anywhere. The purpose of the government
is to protect and defend our freedom , not to solve our own miserable, petty,
individual problems. Leave that to the individual states as they see fit.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
I would think that you as a conservative would wants the troops home,
bases closed and military spending reduced. After all that stuff is big
government which you disdain so much. ;-)
On 11/25/2014 06:32 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in
training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear
One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops
home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation
that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How
long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in
Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four
thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars,
and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the
toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all
again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news,
that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as
promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise!
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same
thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our
intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the
deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we
were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the
case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those
who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we
trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country
was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't
land troops again. What a mess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against
the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to
carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US
troops may end up fighting in Iraq again.
In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall
apart.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
John, I agree 100%. However, I can't see Obama ever putting together a
coalition to do that. Nobody in the world trusts that guy! Remember all those
red lines in the sand? Do you think Ukrainians would beleive him? How about
Poland, Israel or any of our Arab allies? I think not. Obama has ruined any
trust we had with traditional allies and our enemies look at his as a wimp. As
for the UN sending troops, that's laughable. Unfortunately, any heavy lifting
would have to be done by us. We have the strength, power, military and economy
to do itbut no will.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Mike,
As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to
eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be
shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should
contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of
fact, the UN should send their own troops there too.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training...
yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One*
decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops
home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation
that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How
long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in
Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four
thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars,
and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the
toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all
again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news,
that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as
promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise!
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing
applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in
Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of
their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting
our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only
attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to
defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar
army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a
couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again.
What a mess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against
the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to
carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US
troops may end up fighting in Iraq again.
In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall
apart.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is
good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments
and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying
groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense
contractors.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Mike,
As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to
eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be
shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should
contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of
fact, the UN should send their own troops there too.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training...
yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One*
decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops
home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation
that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How
long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in
Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four
thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars,
and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the
toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all
again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news,
that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as
promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise!
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing
applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in
Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of
their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting
our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only
attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to
defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar
army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a
couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again.
What a mess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against
the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to
carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US
troops may end up fighting in Iraq again.
In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall
apart.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Yep, I agree with jr's suggestion, and too, that most in the US have world policeman fatigue, and no desire for another war. So, the best we can probably hope for, is to continue strategic strikes in the region, and contain the menace, to some degree. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : John, I agree 100%. However, I can't see Obama ever putting together a coalition to do that. Nobody in the world trusts that guy! Remember all those red lines in the sand? Do you think Ukrainians would beleive him? How about Poland, Israel or any of our Arab allies? I think not. Obama has ruined any trust we had with traditional allies and our enemies look at his as a wimp. As for the UN sending troops, that's laughable. Unfortunately, any heavy lifting would have to be done by us. We have the strength, power, military and economy to do itbut no will. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
No, you are being naive - lol Seriously, global military spending amounts to two and a half percent of world GDP. That's 97.5 percent, for other stuff. So, it is not the driver of the global economy, or vision, that you imply. However, it is nearly two trillion dollars, and that is a lot of potential cars, schools, houses, buildings, water systems, roads, etc., that don't happen. http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending World military expenditure in 2012 is estimated to have reached $1.756 trillion; This is a 0.4 per cent decrease in real terms than in 2011 — the first fall since 1998; The total is still higher than in any year between the end of World War II and 2010; This corresponds to 2.5 per cent of world gross domestic product (GDP), or approximately $249 for each person in the world ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
[FairfieldLife] Predatory Scientific Journals
This one had me splitting my sides. Get Me Off Your Fucking Mailing List is an actual science paper accepted by a journal http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7259207/scientific-paper-scam http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7259207/scientific-paper-scam Get Me Off Your Fucking Mailing List is an a... http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7259207/scientific-paper-scam It's literally just those seven words, over and over again. View on www.vox.com http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7259207/scientific-paper-scam Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
If an enlightened person decides to join a study it's a good thing, he wasn't outed. 68 found by Fred Travis alone, and that's not counting those not in this study and all the people popping all over the globe these days. Perhaps 500 enlightened was achieved long ago :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Eh, Fred Travis recently said he's found (last I heard) 51 new enlightened subjects for a new study he's doing on the physiology of Cosmic Consciousness. That would be in addition to the 17 he studied in the first paper(s -physiological and psychological measures of the same groups of people were reported in two different papers). http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. It takes one to know one. Who woulda thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
You mean the 30,000 Peruvian school kids who practice TM, according to _El Peruano_, the official Peruvian government newspaper, aren't practicing TM? Nice find :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : You mean the 30,000 Peruvian school kids who practice TM, according to _El Peruano_, the official Peruvian government newspaper, aren't practicing TM? Enseñan meditación a 30,000 escolares http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VHT http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VHT Enseñan meditación a 30,000 escolares http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VHT Son las tres de la tarde, suena el timbre y los alumnos de cuarto, quinto y sexto de primaria del colegio César Vallejo, en La Victoria, saben que es el momento de ... View on www.elperua... http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VHT Preview by Yahoo L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Bull - the TMO would be lucky to have 10,000 total even doing TM these days. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more Globally? I would think on the order of 10,000 or so enlightened souls, to date, given the efficiency of the technique. This glee that you and the other spiritual losers, evince, whenever you see a false enlightenment, is very telling. Get over the bile, and learn to live life in a joyful, expressive and successful way. Hiding behind TVs, word floods, bongs and beers doesn't cut it. Sickening to see your laziness, and lack of personal responsibility, regarding your own liberation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Buddha taught for 45 years. Maharishi for 57 or so years. Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. So what is Maharishi's tally? I did once hear there was a group of people in Fairfield, IA that had had awakening experiences, and that they used to meet somewhere in the town to discuss things, but eventually disbanded, once it became clear there was nothing more to discuss. Apparently though it helped some accommodate to the happening as it was very disorienting for some to have an experience that they totally did not expect. By the way Nabby what does Nablusoss mean, if anything? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect
It's Maharishi's fault! LOL
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect
Since the number of Pundits is down to about 200 and the number of
TM-Sidhas practicing is way below the number their theory says is required, the
most they could say is that they have failed to have a positive effect on
Ferguson because they have failed to keep their numbers sufficiently high.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
227.5 miles - evidently the Marshy Effect is still to funnel money from TB'ers
pockets to the TMO's coffers, rather than create peace. OF course, the TMO will
have a different spin on the situation, the remedy of which will include giving
more money to the TMO, you know, to get more pundits and increase the Dome
numbers - ha ha!
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:29 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect
Does anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield Ia.? Was group
program called off yesterday?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
And yet you don't accept the idea that most of the BATGAP interview people are
enlightened. What's the difference between then And Fred's people? Both groups
claim enlightenment and that is the only thing they have that may indicate they
are enlightened - their word. In both cases I think the vast majority of them
are either lying for attention or experiencing self delusion. Much like
yourself.
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish
more
If an enlightened person decides to join a study it's a good thing, he
wasn't outed. 68 found by Fred Travis alone, and that's not counting those not
in this study and all the people popping all over the globe these days. Perhaps
500 enlightened was achieved long ago :-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
Eh, Fred Travis recently said he's found (last I heard) 51 new enlightened
subjects for a new study he's doing on the physiology of Cosmic Consciousness.
That would be in addition to the 17 he studied in the first paper(s
-physiological and psychological measures of the same groups of people were
reported in two different papers).
http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf
http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are
many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment
? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he
answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize
enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even
try.It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think
we will do betterHis Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an
enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. It takes one to
know one. Who woulda thought.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
There are many different definitions of enlightenment, depending on your tradition. Many/most/all of the people that Rick interviews might meet the definition of enlightenment in one tradition, but not in another. Certainly, the TM people, with their highly enhanced and strong sense-of-self, wouldn't be counted as even somewhat enlightened in a tradition that says that sense-of-self is an illusion. And of course, people who are in CC for a year (more or less the criteria that Fred uses) aren't necessarily in GC or UC, and even if they were, there's always room for further growth. Since they were likely culled f rom participants in the ongoing Invincible America course, we can be pretty sure that none of them have floated regularly during the course, or we'd have hard about it, so we can be certain they can't be in truly mature UC, as defined by MMY, because that would require them to be able to float at any time, and if they couldn't float during TM-SIdhis practice, they certainly weren't floating outside it, either.. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And yet you don't accept the idea that most of the BATGAP interview people are enlightened. What's the difference between then And Fred's people? Both groups claim enlightenment and that is the only thing they have that may indicate they are enlightened - their word. In both cases I think the vast majority of them are either lying for attention or experiencing self delusion. Much like yourself. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more If an enlightened person decides to join a study it's a good thing, he wasn't outed. 68 found by Fred Travis alone, and that's not counting those not in this study and all the people popping all over the globe these days. Perhaps 500 enlightened was achieved long ago :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Eh, Fred Travis recently said he's found (last I heard) 51 new enlightened subjects for a new study he's doing on the physiology of Cosmic Consciousness. That would be in addition to the 17 he studied in the first paper(s -physiological and psychological measures of the same groups of people were reported in two different papers). http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. It takes one to know one. Who woulda thought.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 465 messages as of (UTC) 11/26/14 00:01:35 105 fleetwood_macncheese 52 'Richard J. Williams' punditster 40 awoelflebater 37 TurquoiseBee turquoiseb 37 Michael Jackson mjackson74 29 Share Long sharelong60 26 nablusoss1008 22 Bhairitu noozguru 18 steve.sundur 18 salyavin808 12 jr_esq 11 anartaxius 10 dhamiltony2k5 9 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569 6 j_alexander_stanley 6 LEnglish5 5 s3raphita 5 Tormod Kinnes tkinnes 3 emptybill 2 jason_green2 2 email4you mikemail4you 2 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius 1 wgm4u 1 tkinnes 1 srijau 1 hepa7 1 feste37 1 eustace10679 1 WLeed3 1 'Rick Archer' rick Posters: 30 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought
their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries.
The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In
fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the
weapons they supply to our enemies.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
MJ,
Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and
exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to
promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in
the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of
stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this
is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for
the common good.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is
good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments
and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying
groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense
contractors.
From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Mike,
As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to
eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be
shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should
contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of
fact, the UN should send their own troops there too.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training...
yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One*
decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops
home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation
that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How
long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in
Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four
thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars,
and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the
toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all
again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news,
that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as
promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise!
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing
applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in
Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of
their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting
our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only
attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to
defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar
army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a
couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again.
What a mess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against
the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to
carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US
troops may end up fighting in Iraq again.
In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall
apart.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
They don't call you fleet (of foot) for nothing. Look at you go! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl.postcount@... wrote : Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 465 messages as of (UTC) 11/26/14 00:01:35 105 fleetwood_macncheese 52 'Richard J. Williams' punditster 40 awoelflebater 37 TurquoiseBee turquoiseb 37 Michael Jackson mjackson74 29 Share Long sharelong60 26 nablusoss1008 22 Bhairitu noozguru 18 steve.sundur 18 salyavin808 12 jr_esq 11 anartaxius 10 dhamiltony2k5 9 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569 6 j_alexander_stanley 6 LEnglish5 5 s3raphita 5 Tormod Kinnes tkinnes 3 emptybill 2 jason_green2 2 email4you mikemail4you 2 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius 1 wgm4u 1 tkinnes 1 srijau 1 hepa7 1 feste37 1 eustace10679 1 WLeed3 1 'Rick Archer' rick Posters: 30 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You don't understand - the arms manufacturers AND all the other vendors who supply everything the army, navy, etc uses make money when these items are used in combat, which is one of the reasons our forces deliberately leave equipment behind when they vacate an area - the vendors and lobbyists pay the politicians to make sure they see to it the military does this and more to insure the government continually buys what the defense contractors sell - this is the military industrial complex Eisenhower spoke of - war is big business, make no mistake. As to your post, it don't mean shit where the Arabs get their arms from as long as our military keeps buying what they need from the American vendor. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries. The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the weapons they supply to our enemies. From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
Whee! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : They don't call you fleet (of foot) for nothing. Look at you go! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl.postcount@... wrote : Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 465 messages as of (UTC) 11/26/14 00:01:35 105 fleetwood_macncheese 52 'Richard J. Williams' punditster 40 awoelflebater 37 TurquoiseBee turquoiseb 37 Michael Jackson mjackson74 29 Share Long sharelong60 26 nablusoss1008 22 Bhairitu noozguru 18 steve.sundur 18 salyavin808 12 jr_esq 11 anartaxius 10 dhamiltony2k5 9 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569 6 j_alexander_stanley 6 LEnglish5 5 s3raphita 5 Tormod Kinnes tkinnes 3 emptybill 2 jason_green2 2 email4you mikemail4you 2 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius 1 wgm4u 1 tkinnes 1 srijau 1 hepa7 1 feste37 1 eustace10679 1 WLeed3 1 'Rick Archer' rick Posters: 30 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Whee! Now who can't see that glee has pure, unadulterated enlightenment? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : They don't call you fleet (of foot) for nothing. Look at you go! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl.postcount@... wrote : Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 465 messages as of (UTC) 11/26/14 00:01:35 105 fleetwood_macncheese 52 'Richard J. Williams' punditster 40 awoelflebater 37 TurquoiseBee turquoiseb 37 Michael Jackson mjackson74 29 Share Long sharelong60 26 nablusoss1008 22 Bhairitu noozguru 18 steve.sundur 18 salyavin808 12 jr_esq 11 anartaxius 10 dhamiltony2k5 9 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569 6 j_alexander_stanley 6 LEnglish5 5 s3raphita 5 Tormod Kinnes tkinnes 3 emptybill 2 jason_green2 2 email4you mikemail4you 2 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius 1 wgm4u 1 tkinnes 1 srijau 1 hepa7 1 feste37 1 eustace10679 1 WLeed3 1 'Rick Archer' rick Posters: 30 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Popish News
I think we have a good one here. I sincerely hope he lives a long life in the position he presently holds. There might be hope for Catholicism after all and it might even bleed over into the rest of Christianity. Go Francis!! http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/pope-francis-seeks-to-inspire-haggard-europe/article21786481/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/pope-francis-seeks-to-inspire-haggard-europe/article21786481/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
I am not sure short sentence verbosity deserves any reward, but I was thinking of you tonight because I made mac and cheese for myself for dinner, plus some broccoli. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Whee! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl.postcount@... wrote : Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 465 messages as of (UTC) 11/26/14 00:01:35 105 fleetwood_macncheese
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
On 11/25/2014 7:02 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries. The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the weapons they supply to our enemies. /You don't seriously expect someone of MJ's level of intelligence or education to understand something like this do you, Mike?/ *From:* jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
On 11/25/2014 8:38 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: You don't understand - the arms manufacturers AND all the other vendors who supply everything the army, navy, etc uses make money when these items are used in combat, which is one of the reasons our forces deliberately leave equipment behind when they vacate an area - the vendors and lobbyists pay the politicians to make sure they see to it the military does this and more to insure the government continually buys what the defense contractors sell - this is the military industrial complex Eisenhower spoke of - war is big business, make no mistake. As to your post, it don't mean shit where the Arabs get their arms from as long as our military keeps buying what they need from the American vendor. /YOU don't understand - you helped elect a guy that has absolutely zero experience doing anything. You were sold a pack of lies, and you were dumb enough to believe it. Go figure. / *From:* Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:02 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries. The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the weapons they supply to our enemies. *From:* jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when
[FairfieldLife] This is Pretty Good, Especially at the End
Taped back in August of this year. The Daily Show - Race/Off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_98ojjIZDI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_98ojjIZDI The Daily Show - Race/Off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_98ojjIZDI The shooting of an unarmed black teenager by the police in Ferguson, Missouri, strikes a racial nerve in the U.S., but Fox News manages to remain color... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_98ojjIZDI Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I am not sure short sentence verbosity deserves any reward, but I was thinking of you tonight because I made mac and cheese for myself for dinner, plus some broccoli. That seems like a contradiction in terms and I can't find my way to seeing it as anything else, although I have tried. It's always a good idea, when eating a meal, to make sure that everything on the plate is not beige. Adding a bit of color usually means you are adding something healthy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Whee! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl.postcount@... wrote : Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 465 messages as of (UTC) 11/26/14 00:01:35 105 fleetwood_macncheese
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
On 11/25/2014 9:11 PM, anartaxius wrote: I am not sure short sentence verbosity deserves any reward, but I was thinking of you tonight because I made mac and cheese for myself for dinner, plus some broccoli. /My suggestion to you Sir, is to eat less and do more./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Whee! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl.postcount@... wrote : Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 465 messages as of (UTC) 11/26/14 00:01:35 105 fleetwood_macncheese
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
Many short posts. This may result in a large post count, but the material is thin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I am not sure short sentence verbosity deserves any reward, but I was thinking of you tonight because I made mac and cheese for myself for dinner, plus some broccoli. That seems like a contradiction in terms and I can't find my way to seeing it as anything else, although I have tried. It's always a good idea, when eating a meal, to make sure that everything on the plate is not beige. Adding a bit of color usually means you are adding something healthy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Whee! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl.postcount@... wrote : Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 465 messages as of (UTC) 11/26/14 00:01:35 105 fleetwood_macncheese
[FairfieldLife] Just to Help Sal Out With the Uncivilized Here at FFL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Many short posts. This may result in a large post count, but the material is thin. Now Xeno, if you ever wrote the word Whee then I would know so much about you and it would all be good. One word can speak volumes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I am not sure short sentence verbosity deserves any reward, but I was thinking of you tonight because I made mac and cheese for myself for dinner, plus some broccoli. That seems like a contradiction in terms and I can't find my way to seeing it as anything else, although I have tried. It's always a good idea, when eating a meal, to make sure that everything on the plate is not beige. Adding a bit of color usually means you are adding something healthy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Whee! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl.postcount@... wrote : Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 11/22/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 11/29/14 00:00:00 465 messages as of (UTC) 11/26/14 00:01:35 105 fleetwood_macncheese
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
On 11/24/2014 4:21 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. /* Maybe it's time for you to just keep your big pie hole shut about Jim. Almost everyone on this forum is pretty fed up with your phoney bullshit, Barry. Do I make myself clear? /Over the years, I saw him levitate, as in sitting in lotus and just lifting up off the chair and hovering there in midair for minutes at a time, sometimes telling a joke the whole time. Or in the desert, he'd just step up off the sand and onto a staircase that wasn't there, and just climb up and down it for a while, several feet above the ground.// - /Barry Wright http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/24/2014 4:21 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. Maybe it's time for you to just keep your big pie hole shut about Jim. Almost everyone on this forum is pretty fed up with your phoney bullshit, Barry. Do I make myself clear? How could you speak to a 'fly on the wall' polyamorous person like that, Richard? Shame on you! Over the years, I saw him levitate, as in sitting in lotus and just lifting up off the chair and hovering there in midair for minutes at a time, sometimes telling a joke the whole time. Or in the desert, he'd just step up off the sand and onto a staircase that wasn't there, and just climb up and down it for a while, several feet above the ground. - Barry Wright http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
It's about the debt that a conflict produces: http://youtu.be/UiN1xHaNDJ0 Debt = control. On 11/25/2014 05:02 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries. The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the weapons they supply to our enemies. *From:* jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Awake: The Life Of Yogananda
Like Yogananda in his time, Swami Vivekananda in 1893 initiated a fusion of science and religion at the World's Parliament of Religions held in Chicago and in Vivekananda's subsequent lecture tourings of American cities. Vivekananda criss-crossed America by train in that era. Awake! Playing in Fairfield, Iowa the Yogananda movie as a historical picture is enjoying quite a popular run in Fairfield. The movie is playing to full houses with a lot of old meditators here coming out of the woodwork to see the documentary. It is great to see who all is still alive and well living here in the Fairfield meditating community. The movie well places Yogananda within a 20th Century progression in the spirituality of transcendentalism in the West. As he would call it, aka, his “The Science of Religion”.While the narrative did not bridge the gap in time over to connect with a Western transcendentalism in practice that preceded Vedanta in the West the movie at a point in its narrative yielded a progression of a preceding transcendentalist spiritual lineage to Vivekananda barely saying, Vivekananda in the West 'did not stay long'. Actually Vivekananda also traveled lecturing extensively with a disciplined nation-wide impact like Yogananda's but Vivekananda had a 'short life' passing away in his 30's whilst leaving behind the Vedanta Society. Evidently the ground was quite well prepared in the West by a line of preceding transcendentalists by the time that Yogananda and then Maharishi respectively arrived in the 1920's and late 1950's. With the perspective of time both a 19th Century Vivekananda and a 20th Century Yogananda each seemed to have passed through and left with their integrity in the tacking of history. Maharishi's 21st Century legacy evidently is still working out. Awake is a good movie for the perspective of a progression in things spiritual. -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Maharishi pointed this benefit out in his Science of Creative Intelligence as a benefit from cultivating meditation. All the sages have in their turn through the ages from their experience point this out. Quite evidently is as a scientific observation that is replicated in experience when you get there. It is really quite wonderful as a benefit. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck Yes, it is called support of Nature as it comes to happen in spiritual life. It is a huge benefit of spiritual practice. Though is not really a new definition. It's a support like greasing the skids of life. It is pretty obvious. -Buck in the Dome Fleetwood observes: “..who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing [a] TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. fleetwood_macncheese wrote : Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. It takes one to know one. Who woulda thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Nope, realistically they are not going to stop until everyone there is exhausted of the violence and incoherence, like happened between the Protestants and Catholics in 18th and 19th Century Europe whence they finally gave up on each other and the separatists and agreed to stop in a mutuality. Not much else to do with these religious nuts other than observantly keep your own safety while they fight. Religion at that level is a different wave-length than spirituality. Best we can do from a distance is surround them with love. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome fleetwood_macncheese@... writes : Yep, I agree with jr's suggestion, and too, that most in the US have world policeman fatigue, and no desire for another war. So, the best we can probably hope for, is to continue strategic strikes in the region, and contain the menace, to some degree. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : John, I agree 100%. However, I can't see Obama ever putting together a coalition to do that. Nobody in the world trusts that guy! Remember all those red lines in the sand? Do you think Ukrainians would beleive him? How about Poland, Israel or any of our Arab allies? I think not. Obama has ruined any trust we had with traditional allies and our enemies look at his as a wimp. As for the UN sending troops, that's laughable. Unfortunately, any heavy lifting would have to be done by us. We have the strength, power, military and economy to do itbut no will. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Misunderstanding the living of Enlightenment
Dear MJ, Actually a better quote for you and all your absolute negativity would more likely be: “Fool of a Took! he growled. This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance.” Jai Guru Dev, -Buck mjackson74@... wrote : What I am trying to get you to see is that Marshy's definition of enlightenment was bs as was his lack of knowledge about what real enlightenment was. Even the TB'ers like Fleet throw what M said out the window so they can follow the bs now being touted by the new age enlightenment crowd like Adyashanti and Mooji who all seem to say that whatever you say enlightenment is, that's what it is. Its all baloney. Subject: [FairfieldLife] Misunderstanding the living of Enlightenment How? Variation of social behavior and ethics is called “life in the body”. You and some of the other apostates here are trying really hard in making rigid assumptions to have postulates of your own narrow ways about living enlightenment. Along with the OEM there is nature and there comes nurture in our culture of the living of life by virtue then of what comes with family, upbringing and a range of standard faculties one has in the world with the human form. Otherwise grouped as the range of human character that individuates us along with the possibility of enlightenment. Science now and the larger experience of sages tells us to make use of our time here and meditate with an effective transcending meditation as spiritual practice. Son on good advice, make haste! Make use of your time whilst yous gots a life on this planet. Or more succinctly said as Gandalf fairly says it, “Fly, you fools!”Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74@... wrote : How can an enlightened person be naive?
[FairfieldLife] Chuck Hagel: Odd Man Out
It appears that Obama and his advisers have decided to change their defense policies that are different from Hagel's ideas. So, he had to go. Chuck Hagel’s resignation: strategic pivot or sacrificial lamb? http://news.yahoo.com/chuck-hagel-s-resignation--strategic-pivot-or-sacrificial-lamb-160947291.html http://news.yahoo.com/chuck-hagel-s-resignation--strategic-pivot-or-sacrificial-lamb-160947291.html Chuck Hagel’s resignation: strategic pivot or sacrificia... http://news.yahoo.com/chuck-hagel-s-resignation--strategic-pivot-or-sacrificial-lamb-160947291.html President Barack Obama’s acceptance yesterday of the resignation of Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel left little doubt that the administration wants to turn a page ... View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/chuck-hagel-s-resignation--strategic-pivot-or-sacrificial-lamb-160947291.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Yes, it is a curious coincidence that sooner,or later anyone who disagrees with Barry is labeled a cult apologist, or as being obsessed with him. He holds himself up as some sort of uber cool hipster. But, I think his fan club really consists of two other people. That link (non clicking) you provided earlier, is pretty damned interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You have a very telling habit, Barry. Every time you get your butt seriously kicked, the other person automatically becomes crazy. Enjoy those boot prints on your buttocks, big boy. You have insulted, demeaned, distorted and slandered so many people on here, due to your hubris, sadistic tendencies, and ignorance. I am enjoying the payback, as are many others. You are an asshole, who has insisted on my attention, so enjoy it, while you've got it. :-) :-) :-) Or you could just start TM, and transform into a much nicer, more socially and financially responsible person. But you won't - you seem to enjoy putting your brokenness on display, and I'll gladly continue to play the spotlight on your performance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well said, especially: I've yet to see any evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions. That's really it, the bottom line for me, too. From December of 1967 (when I started TM) to the present, *I have not met a single TMer* who I would consider enlightened, using traditional definitions of that term. Those TMers who have claimed to be enlightened have IMO *all* fallen into the categories you name above -- personality disordered, mentally ill, or imbalanced. I am *not* saying this to be mean, or to diss TM. I'm saying it because it's true. I really *haven't* met even a single person who practiced TM whom I would suspect of being enlightened. Not even one. Just to make the distinction clear, I *have* met people from other spiritual traditions who I have suspected were enlightened. I don't know for sure, of course, and never will, but at least there was a *possibility* with these individuals that I was talking with someone enlightened, rather than someone personality disordered, mentally ill, or imbalanced. With anyone who had spent any time in the TM movement, it was impossible for me to entertain that possibility. I have to believe, therefore -- based on my personal experience -- that TM not only does *not* produce enlightenment as it has been traditionally defined for centuries, it produces its opposite: personality disorder, mental illness, and systemic imbalance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-) When I was a newbie meditator I had this hunger for enlightenment, I'd had the experiences of CC up to unity many times and thought it must be an enviable state to be in all the time. After quitting my job and moving in to an academy I started to notice that people who had been doing TM for decades were for the most part, erm, highly eccentric, occasionally aggressive and generally rather odd. At first I put it down to the fact that they'd either not done enough TM or maybe too much . I did meet the occasionally evolved person which seemed to make it all worthwhile. You know the type, they carry a bit of dignity and have no obvious hang-ups or emotional blocks or ego problems. Clear minded people that act lively and always seem well adjusted. I think it was Maslow who had studied people who he described as self-realised and the description fits well. But then his description included open-minded inquiry and TMer's tend to have a True Believer devotee attribute. So I came to the conclusion - perhaps unfairly - that they must have been that personally quite evolved or halfway there to start with. I've yet to see any evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions. The big question is: Is it worth crossing the street for? I've yet to see or hear anything from the TMO that makes me want to do TM with enlightenment as the goal, let alone sit around in a dome for hours every day. So I guess not, we will all answer the question differently I
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Buck, That's a great observation. There is a similarity between the religious wars in Europe during the centuries you mentioned and the conflicts that are taking place in the Middle East today. It's easy to say that we should avoid the conflict. But that may not be possible since everything now is inter-related. What is happening in Iraq and Syria will eventually affect the rest of the world. So, the world governments are compelled to act against the rise of IS in those countries to avoid the potential downfall not only of western culture, but of world civilizations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Nope, realistically they are not going to stop until everyone there is exhausted of the violence and incoherence, like happened between the Protestants and Catholics in 18th and 19th Century Europe whence they finally gave up on each other and the separatists and agreed to stop in a mutuality. Not much else to do with these religious nuts other than observantly keep your own safety while they fight. Religion at that level is a different wave-length than spirituality. Best we can do from a distance is surround them with love. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome fleetwood_macncheese@... writes : Yep, I agree with jr's suggestion, and too, that most in the US have world policeman fatigue, and no desire for another war. So, the best we can probably hope for, is to continue strategic strikes in the region, and contain the menace, to some degree. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : John, I agree 100%. However, I can't see Obama ever putting together a coalition to do that. Nobody in the world trusts that guy! Remember all those red lines in the sand? Do you think Ukrainians would beleive him? How about Poland, Israel or any of our Arab allies? I think not. Obama has ruined any trust we had with traditional allies and our enemies look at his as a wimp. As for the UN sending troops, that's laughable. Unfortunately, any heavy lifting would have to be done by us. We have the strength, power, military and economy to do itbut no will. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
I have to say that it appears to me that the central tenant of polyamory, is that I am going to fuck who I want, when I want, and if it bothers you, then you had best get over it, or used to it. Now, along with that you may try to carve out a life with others with whom you get along with reasonably well, at least for the moment, but the relationship(s) are always subject to I reserve the right to bring home anyone with whom I wish to have sex. And it also seems that you can be voted off the island at anytime. I'm not sensing a lot of happiness in that arrangement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Search Facebook Accounts?? Are you hallucinating, too? I despise Facebook, and would NEVER have an account on there. That site is for overgrown pimply teenagers like yourself, imo. I found your pictures, in five seconds, with the following search string on Google: Barry Wright Leiden polyamory Try it.:-) :-) :-) Yes, interesting. It turns out the lampshade is a paper hat on his head. Some insights into bawee's life here; he seems nicer when not at FFL. I wonder why that is? The whole subject of polyamory is interesting. Reading about the dad in the family I wonder how willing he would be to share his daughter Maya with outside families - allow her to live and be loved and kept and nourished/raised by other households in the same way he is willing to allow his lovers the same freedoms. He does say that Maya especially is the light of his life, his main love so I would have to wonder if he wouldn't want to hold her much closer to himself in every way, but only he could tell us that. I have lots of ideas about polyamory and I know it has been sort of discussed here but bawee, as usual, was criticizing and abusing anyone who had qualms about it. Maybe because he doesn't read 90% of the posters here we could have a civilized discussion about it now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Yes, it is a curious coincidence that sooner,or later anyone who disagrees with Barry is labeled a cult apologist, or as being obsessed with him. He holds himself up as some sort of uber cool hipster. But, I think his fan club really consists of two other people. That link (non clicking) you provided earlier, is pretty damned interesting. Wasn't it? I found it fascinating that their meetings are held at an 'English style pub' for some reason. You'd think while in Holland they might enjoy a Dutch pub. Dare I say, go figure? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You have a very telling habit, Barry. Every time you get your butt seriously kicked, the other person automatically becomes crazy. Enjoy those boot prints on your buttocks, big boy. You have insulted, demeaned, distorted and slandered so many people on here, due to your hubris, sadistic tendencies, and ignorance. I am enjoying the payback, as are many others. You are an asshole, who has insisted on my attention, so enjoy it, while you've got it. :-) :-) :-) Or you could just start TM, and transform into a much nicer, more socially and financially responsible person. But you won't - you seem to enjoy putting your brokenness on display, and I'll gladly continue to play the spotlight on your performance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well said, especially: I've yet to see any evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions. That's really it, the bottom line for me, too. From December of 1967 (when I started TM) to the present, *I have not met a single TMer* who I would consider enlightened, using traditional definitions of that term. Those TMers who have claimed to be enlightened have IMO *all* fallen into the categories you name above -- personality disordered, mentally ill, or imbalanced. I am *not* saying this to be mean, or to diss TM. I'm saying it because it's true. I really *haven't* met even a single person who practiced TM whom I would suspect of being enlightened. Not even one. Just to make the distinction clear, I *have* met people from other spiritual traditions who I have suspected were enlightened. I don't know for sure, of course, and never will, but at least there was a *possibility* with these individuals that I was talking with someone enlightened, rather than someone personality disordered, mentally ill, or imbalanced. With anyone who had spent any time in the TM movement, it was impossible for me to entertain that possibility. I have to believe, therefore -- based on my personal experience -- that TM not only does *not* produce enlightenment as it has been traditionally defined for centuries, it produces its opposite: personality disorder, mental illness, and systemic imbalance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-) When I was a newbie meditator I had this hunger for enlightenment, I'd had the experiences of CC up to unity many times and thought it must be an enviable state to be in all the time. After quitting my job and moving in to an academy I started to notice that people who had been doing TM for decades were for the most part, erm, highly eccentric, occasionally aggressive and generally rather odd. At first I put it down to the fact that they'd either not done enough TM or maybe too much . I did meet the occasionally evolved person which seemed to make it all worthwhile. You know the type, they carry a bit of dignity and have no obvious hang-ups or emotional blocks or ego problems. Clear minded people that act lively and always seem well adjusted. I think it was Maslow who had studied people who he described as self-realised and the description fits well. But then his description included open-minded inquiry and TMer's tend to have a True Believer devotee attribute. So I came to the conclusion - perhaps unfairly - that they must have been that personally quite evolved or halfway there to start with. I've yet to see any evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions. The big question
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect
The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been a big numbers effect that requires statistical analysis to catch. By theory, a town the size of Fairfield would be too small to really see the effect manifest reliably, regardless of what research beleivers decided to publicize in order to encourage other believers to participate more regularly. Consider the effect that a single pickpocketing Sidha would have on Fairfield's crime-rate, for example... [By the way, I came up with that example on a Washington, DC course a year or two before the course that lead to the resarch everyone likes to pooh-pooh -a pickpocket had slipped into the gathered sidhas outside the flying hall, and was working the crowd so the police were called] The activities of a single criminal in a crowd of several thousand are sufficient to raise the crime-rate in that crowd, no matter how enlghtened they are as individuals and the fact that this person was willing to roam freely amongst the TMers meant his behavior wasn't noticeably affected by their presence - in fact, you cold argue that his behavior was *inspired* by their presence. The same issue holds true for a town of 10,000, like Fairfield. It is only when you get to the level of communities with a million or more people that the Maharishi Effect is (according to the theoretical papers) supposed to be reliably detectable since a single person's behavior is lost in the statistics involving hundreds or thousands of criminals. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : It's Maharishi's fault! LOL From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Since the number of Pundits is down to about 200 and the number of TM-Sidhas practicing is way below the number their theory says is required, the most they could say is that they have failed to have a positive effect on Ferguson because they have failed to keep their numbers sufficiently high. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : 227.5 miles - evidently the Marshy Effect is still to funnel money from TB'ers pockets to the TMO's coffers, rather than create peace. OF course, the TMO will have a different spin on the situation, the remedy of which will include giving more money to the TMO, you know, to get more pundits and increase the Dome numbers - ha ha! From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Does anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield Ia.? Was group program called off yesterday?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC
Eh, I've always though of myself as polyamorous at heart, but only with respect to MY behavior. All my wimin better be one-man-women, thanksverymuch! The fact though, is that if you genuinely love someone, you have to recognize that they may be hurt by YOUR behavior, and modify it accordingly. I know long-term, stable threesomes. I once met a long-term, stable group marriage involving at least 3 or four married couples, dating back to the 60's. Such things are very rare, however. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I have to say that it appears to me that the central tenant of polyamory, is that I am going to fuck who I want, when I want, and if it bothers you, then you had best get over it, or used to it. Now, along with that you may try to carve out a life with others with whom you get along with reasonably well, at least for the moment, but the relationship(s) are always subject to I reserve the right to bring home anyone with whom I wish to have sex. And it also seems that you can be voted off the island at anytime. I'm not sensing a lot of happiness in that arrangement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Search Facebook Accounts?? Are you hallucinating, too? I despise Facebook, and would NEVER have an account on there. That site is for overgrown pimply teenagers like yourself, imo. I found your pictures, in five seconds, with the following search string on Google: Barry Wright Leiden polyamory Try it.:-) :-) :-) Yes, interesting. It turns out the lampshade is a paper hat on his head. Some insights into bawee's life here; he seems nicer when not at FFL. I wonder why that is? The whole subject of polyamory is interesting. Reading about the dad in the family I wonder how willing he would be to share his daughter Maya with outside families - allow her to live and be loved and kept and nourished/raised by other households in the same way he is willing to allow his lovers the same freedoms. He does say that Maya especially is the light of his life, his main love so I would have to wonder if he wouldn't want to hold her much closer to himself in every way, but only he could tell us that. I have lots of ideas about polyamory and I know it has been sort of discussed here but bawee, as usual, was criticizing and abusing anyone who had qualms about it. Maybe because he doesn't read 90% of the posters here we could have a civilized discussion about it now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Misunderstanding the living of Enlightenment
Michael, You sort of remind of someone who is constantly lighting firecrackers which are. duds. They either just fizzle, or they make a little thud But God Bless You, you keep trying. Lighting a fire cracker, then jumping back for the bang, but instead, just getting a little...thud Some of us had a pretty good proficiency with cherry bombs and M80's ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What I am trying to get you to see is that Marshy's definition of enlightenment was bs as was his lack of knowledge about what real enlightenment was. Even the TB'ers like Fleet throw what M said out the window so they can follow the bs now being touted by the new age enlightenment crowd like Adyashanti and Mooji who all seem to say that whatever you say enlightenment is, that's what it is. Its all baloney. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Misunderstanding the living of Enlightenment How? Variation of social behavior and ethics is called of “life in the body”. You and some of the other apostates here are trying hard in making rigid assumptions to have postulates of your own narrow ways about living enlightenment. Along with the OEM there is nature and there comes nurture in our culture of the living of life by virtue then of what comes with family, upbringing and a range of standard faculties one has in the world with the human form. Otherwise grouped as the range of human character that individuates us along with the possibility of enlightenment. Science now and the larger experience of sages tells us to make use of our time here and meditate with an effective transcending meditation as spiritual practice. Son on good advice, make haste! Make use of your time whilst yous gots a life on this planet. Or more succinctly said as Gandalf fairly says it, “Fly, you fools!”Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74@... wrote : How can an enlightened person be naive?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Another good point, I must say. MJ's brain is just steeped in Maharishi's teaching, as I've said, perhaps more than anyone in the world. It is the backdrop and point of reference of everything that he does, and thinks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : There is no way, at all, to end the war within you, MJ. Even if I did exactly as you say in your post. Next, it would be your burnt toast, or your stubbed toe, or the fight you had with your wife. Peace begins within. Otherwise, it just causes you more misery to blame your lack of same, on something else. Hope you have a good Thanksgiving (and I wouldn't broach your favorite rant at the table, either, just this once...). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How can an enlightened person be naive? And according to TMO knowledge that they got from Mahesh the Fraud Varma, all that should be necessary to end the wars in that area of the world would be for you and all the other at least 10,000 TM enlightened people to go to the Middle East and just hang around and your sattva will automatically and spontaneously eliminate all the stress, conflict and negativity. So what you waiting for? Why don't you use your enlightenment and organize all the other TM enlightened to do a end the war trip to the Mid East? Eh? Put your ass where your mouth is - this would be a fine way to PROVE your enlightenment and the fact that Mahesh the Fraud Varma was not a fraud and the TMO is legit. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect
The evident Science would tell us though that hands down the bestest chance we have to support and give peace between peoples, and religions for instance, is cultivating the practice of a transcending meditation as spirituality practice. According to the science, it would be best to see more people in the domes meditating together or other large groups meditating together. The spiritual field effect is fabulous by experience at the least. You all should come to Fairfield and join the group meditation. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck LEnglish writes : The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been a big numbers effect that requires statistical analysis to catch. By theory, a town the size of Fairfield would be too small to really see the effect manifest reliably, regardless of what research beleivers decided to publicize in order to encourage other believers to participate more regularly. Consider the effect that a single pickpocketing Sidha would have on Fairfield's crime-rate, for example... [By the way, I came up with that example on a Washington, DC course a year or two before the course that lead to the resarch everyone likes to pooh-pooh -a pickpocket had slipped into the gathered sidhas outside the flying hall, and was working the crowd so the police were called] The activities of a single criminal in a crowd of several thousand are sufficient to raise the crime-rate in that crowd, no matter how enlghtened they are as individuals and the fact that this person was willing to roam freely amongst the TMers meant his behavior wasn't noticeably affected by their presence - in fact, you cold argue that his behavior was *inspired* by their presence. The same issue holds true for a town of 10,000, like Fairfield. It is only when you get to the level of communities with a million or more people that the Maharishi Effect is (according to the theoretical papers) supposed to be reliably detectable since a single person's behavior is lost in the statistics involving hundreds or thousands of criminals. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : It's Maharishi's fault! LOL From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Since the number of Pundits is down to about 200 and the number of TM-Sidhas practicing is way below the number their theory says is required, the most they could say is that they have failed to have a positive effect on Ferguson because they have failed to keep their numbers sufficiently high. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : 227.5 miles - evidently the Marshy Effect is still to funnel money from TB'ers pockets to the TMO's coffers, rather than create peace. OF course, the TMO will have a different spin on the situation, the remedy of which will include giving more money to the TMO, you know, to get more pundits and increase the Dome numbers - ha ha! From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Does anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield Ia.? Was group program called off yesterday?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been a big numbers effect that requires statistical analysis to catch. It's rubbish in other words. By theory, a town the size of Fairfield would be too small to really see the effect manifest reliably, regardless of what research beleivers decided to publicize in order to encourage other believers to participate more regularly. Consider the effect that a single pickpocketing Sidha would have on Fairfield's crime-rate, for example... [By the way, I came up with that example on a Washington, DC course a year or two before the course that lead to the resarch everyone likes to pooh-pooh -a pickpocket had slipped into the gathered sidhas outside the flying hall, and was working the crowd so the police were called] The activities of a single criminal in a crowd of several thousand are sufficient to raise the crime-rate in that crowd, no matter how enlghtened they are as individuals and the fact that this person was willing to roam freely amongst the TMers meant his behavior wasn't noticeably affected by their presence - in fact, you cold argue that his behavior was *inspired* by their presence. The same issue holds true for a town of 10,000, like Fairfield. It is only when you get to the level of communities with a million or more people that the Maharishi Effect is (according to the theoretical papers) supposed to be reliably detectable since a single person's behavior is lost in the statistics involving hundreds or thousands of criminals. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : It's Maharishi's fault! LOL From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Since the number of Pundits is down to about 200 and the number of TM-Sidhas practicing is way below the number their theory says is required, the most they could say is that they have failed to have a positive effect on Ferguson because they have failed to keep their numbers sufficiently high. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : 227.5 miles - evidently the Marshy Effect is still to funnel money from TB'ers pockets to the TMO's coffers, rather than create peace. OF course, the TMO will have a different spin on the situation, the remedy of which will include giving more money to the TMO, you know, to get more pundits and increase the Dome numbers - ha ha! From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Does anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield Ia.? Was group program called off yesterday?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been a big numbers effect that requires statistical analysis to catch. It's rubbish in other words. Funnily enough I was reading about statistics and paranormal research the other day. There's a guy called Dean Radin - friend of Fred Travis and member of the institute of noetic research - who proved via statistical analysis that the human mind has magical powers like telepathy and precognition. The amazing thing about his research is that he statistically meta - analysed hundreds of decent papers that had found no such thing! This is clever, he can prove there are paranormal powers without anyone ever demonstrating any such thing! A first for science, makes me wonder why his institute isn't taken seriously.. Lies, damn lies, statistics etc.. By theory, a town the size of Fairfield would be too small to really see the effect manifest reliably, regardless of what research beleivers decided to publicize in order to encourage other believers to participate more regularly. Consider the effect that a single pickpocketing Sidha would have on Fairfield's crime-rate, for example... Or a single gun rampage could have on otherwise also unconvincing statistics in Washington or Lebanon. [By the way, I came up with that example on a Washington, DC course a year or two before the course that lead to the resarch everyone likes to pooh-pooh -a pickpocket had slipped into the gathered sidhas outside the flying hall, and was working the crowd so the police were called] The activities of a single criminal in a crowd of several thousand are sufficient to raise the crime-rate in that crowd, no matter how enlghtened they are as individuals and the fact that this person was willing to roam freely amongst the TMers meant his behavior wasn't noticeably affected by their presence - in fact, you cold argue that his behavior was *inspired* by their presence. So clearly, you have to statistically remove any crime to make the figures right... The same issue holds true for a town of 10,000, like Fairfield. It is only when you get to the level of communities with a million or more people that the Maharishi Effect is (according to the theoretical papers) supposed to be reliably detectable since a single person's behavior is lost in the statistics involving hundreds or thousands of criminals. And the larger amount of criminals in large towns make the statistics unconvincing in those cases in exactly the same way. But it's nice that Buck doesn't have to worry about anything affecting the science in Fairfield. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : It's Maharishi's fault! LOL From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Since the number of Pundits is down to about 200 and the number of TM-Sidhas practicing is way below the number their theory says is required, the most they could say is that they have failed to have a positive effect on Ferguson because they have failed to keep their numbers sufficiently high. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : 227.5 miles - evidently the Marshy Effect is still to funnel money from TB'ers pockets to the TMO's coffers, rather than create peace. OF course, the TMO will have a different spin on the situation, the remedy of which will include giving more money to the TMO, you know, to get more pundits and increase the Dome numbers - ha ha! From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect Does anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield Ia.? Was group program called off yesterday?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been a big numbers effect that requires statistical analysis to catch. It's rubbish in other words. I was going to insert an edit and change the last word of Lawson's sentence from catch to fake. :-) It's still a weird moment when I run into someone who actually seems to believe in the ME. It's like encountering an actual person who believes that the earth is only a few thousand years old -- part of me is repulsed, like when you see the geek in a traveling carnival show, but another part is so astounded that someone can possibly believe this stuff that I can't look away. People must be really, really desperate for attention to still be seeking credit for saving the world by bouncing on their butts. It's as if they're hoping someday their groupie status will be so big people will ask for their autographs. Speaking of autographs, I was somewhat subdued in my FFL posting yesterday because I was still savoring the discovery that I got mentioned by name in Bruce Cockburn's new memoir Rumours Of Glory. It's just one paragraph recalling a time we met briefly in Toronto, but it was good to know that he'd actually read the piece I wrote it up in, and remembered it. For a Cockburn fan that's like 15 seconds were added to my lifetime 15 minutes of fame, so I understand the butt-bouncers' desire to have someone pat them on the back and say, Hey...great job saving the world! :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been a big numbers effect that requires statistical analysis to catch. It's rubbish in other words. I was going to insert an edit and change the last word of Lawson's sentence from catch to fake. :-) It's still a weird moment when I run into someone who actually seems to believe in the ME. It's like encountering an actual person who believes that the earth is only a few thousand years old -- part of me is repulsed, like when you see the geek in a traveling carnival show, but another part is so astounded that someone can possibly believe this stuff that I can't look away. People must be really, really desperate for attention to still be seeking credit for saving the world by bouncing on their butts. It's as if they're hoping someday their groupie status will be so big people will ask for their autographs. Speaking of autographs, I was somewhat subdued in my FFL posting yesterday because I was still savoring the discovery that I got mentioned by name in Bruce Cockburn's new memoir Rumours Of Glory. It's just one paragraph recalling a time we met briefly in Toronto, but it was good to know that he'd actually read the piece I wrote it up in, and remembered it. For a Cockburn fan that's like 15 seconds were added to my lifetime 15 minutes of fame, so I understand the butt-bouncers' desire to have someone pat them on the back and say, Hey...great job saving the world! :-) Hey, that's really cool! Good old Bruce. I enjoyed the bits you posted from the Rumours... book, I'm thinking it might make a good crimbo prezzie. Must pass the word round the family
