[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaisnava baloney..again so say you!
I am not a devotee of anyone's.., other than Lord Govinda. And you call me a nut case when you actually believe you can fly? Your continued belief in a *Ridiculous Confused Pholiosphy* of Mahesh Yogi that has borne nothing in the 50+ years it has been sold to gullible westerners. The tm is so confused that Mahesh Yogi could not even sell it in India.. The tm movement is destined to die out the same as the 60+ year old x-hippies that cling to its confused belief system. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: The nutcase Steve Perino is back (devotee of the pervert Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, currently on the FBI's top 10 most wanted list). So go figure. http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=BubbleBoy
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
Never followed anyone over here! I recieved an email invite from the indivual that started this ridiculous forum. Geez what a complete waste of human effort.. And things have not changed.. Ram Tripathi-(aka Swami Shantinanda the Ashram cook) conspired with Brahmachari Mahesh Yogi-(the Ashram clerk) to re-write Sri Brahmananda's will.. then the two co-conspirators Mahesh Shantinanada poisoned Sri Brahmamanda to a slow death..to gain control of the Jyosimath Ashram and the wealth. Then set in motion 50+ years of legal battles over the right of succession to the seat at Jyosimath Ashram..oly to be finally settled.. The seat at Jyosimath Ashram finally held by Sri Swaroopananda whom also holds the seat in Dwarika Ashram. The fraudlent claims of Shantinanda- Vishnudevananda-Vasudevananda finally came to a be-fitting end. Interesting to note-- the lawyer who represented the fraudlent claims of Shantinanada was the very same individual now know as Vasudevananda. But I've seen a house fly and a dragon fly but I've never seen a Ru fly.. And this whole deal of whirled Peas..was there not a man stabbed to death in the Annapurna Dining Hall on campus? by a student of MUM? In 35 years of phlying you guys still haven't flown But at least 9 years of waring Iraq finally ended --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Alex: I was on FFL before WillyTex. Nope, I was here on FFL from day one, lurking, waiting for the others to find me. It didn't take very long before Perino came over to FFL and started trash-talking about me and the MMY. That's right after the 'dorkflex' made up that other forum, Yahoo! TM Controversy, where he posted all those lies about Judy and MMY. That's when I told the dorkflex to shut his big pie hole. After that they came over here in droves just to try and get some more insight from me, I guess. By that time, I had already posted over 8,000 on-topic messages on a.m.t. Obviously they are gluttons for information! He joined on Dec 21, 2001, and I had already made my first post on Nov 8, 2001. Maybe I missed your post, Alex - mine was posted on FFL on January 1, 2002. At any rate, mine was posted under my real name, not some made-up anonymous handle like 'geezerfreak'. Why can't these informants just be honest? Barry, Judy, Lawson, Eric, Alex, Vaj, Knapp, Shemp, Bhairitu, Billy, dorkflex, and Perino all followed me over here to FFL. It's all my fault, so just shoot me! = __o \`, = (*) % (*) ~
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of coldbluiceman Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM Never followed anyone over here! I recieved an email invite from the indivual that started this ridiculous forum. You did? Must have been a long time ago. It was somewhere back in 2001..Ignored it for years then started.. Quit for years only to get an email today from Jason regarding a Robin Carlsen thread..which I cannot seem to find. But found Willytex's post.. So I made my usual - Mahesh Varma - comment. Just to get Willytex started again Instead guess what I found? You write a lot like WillyTex yet you're responding to his post. Are you Willy off his meds? Another deeply insecure Tm-er hopelessly trying to justify wasting 30+ years of their life on a mindless repeatitive technique that leads to nothingness.. As I said a complete waste of human effort. Show is over Mahesh Varma never demonstrated he himself could phly in that Time magazine interview in Jan. 1984 during the 'Taste Of Utopia Despite the fact that Mahesh even stated in the Time magazine interview that he-, flys around the room.. AS I said 10 years ago in another forum on the same subject.. Not one single TM-er has ever shown then can phly.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Alex: I was on FFL before WillyTex. Nope, I was here on FFL from day one, lurking, waiting for the others to find me. It didn't take very long before Perino came over to FFL and started trash-talking about me and the MMY. That's right after the 'dorkflex' made up that other forum, Yahoo! TM Controversy, where he posted all those lies about Judy and MMY. That's when I told the dorkflex to shut his big pie hole. After that they came over here in droves just to try and get some more insight from me, I guess. By that time, I had already posted over 8,000 on-topic messages on a.m.t. Obviously they are gluttons for information! He joined on Dec 21, 2001, and I had already made my first post on Nov 8, 2001. Maybe I missed your post, Alex - mine was posted on FFL on January 1, 2002. At any rate, mine was posted under my real name, not some made-up anonymous handle like 'geezerfreak'. Why can't these informants just be honest? Barry, Judy, Lawson, Eric, Alex, Vaj, Knapp, Shemp, Bhairitu, Billy, dorkflex, and Perino all followed me over here to FFL. It's all my fault, so just shoot me! = __o \`, = (*) % (*) ~ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2108/4684 - Release Date: 12/16/11
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
To whom ever wrote this.. Your answer is very simple.. With regards to TM and anything Mahesh Yogi wrote or ever said about God was from his own perspective.. Nothing Mahesh Yogi said was regarding God was remotely accurate!! Just look at Mahesh Yogi's teacher-- Sri Brahmananda -- whom referred to God as Ishtadevata. Or to use your own words- Vaishnavas, and they believe in a qualified monism, visisht advaita.. Mahesh Yogi's own master - Sri Brahmananda was a Hindu/ Vaishnavav who taught Bhakti as qualified monism to Ishtadevata. Sri Brahmamnada gave out names of God/Ishtadevata or mantras to be used in worship as He himself even lectured countless times. Sri Brahmananda had 6 names of Ishtadevata that He used to teach to his disciples, and ONLY ONE of the names of God/Ishtadevata(or mantra) was used for worship of Nirakar Brahma (the formless form of God). The other five mantras related directly to Sakar Brahma- God in His personal Form-(either Ram or Vishnu or Shakti, etc). It is important to keep this in mind! If you don't believe me look at Paul Mason webpage devoted to Sri Brahmananda..it is all there from Sri Brhamananda's own lectures and interviews given by His disciples!! Which brings us to the - Holy Tradition -that Mahesh Yogi conjured up starting with Sri Adi Shankar.. Who also taught and was (to use your own words) Vaishnavas, and they believe in a qualified monism, visisht advaita.. Sri Adi Shankar defeated the Buddhists with the philosphy of advait vedanta. But Sri Adi Shankar did not teach advait vedanta. Sri Adi Shankar taught devotion to Sri Govinda (Lord Krishna). It is a fact .. As I can cite all of Sri Adi Shankar Ashrams from Puri to Dwarika to Jyosimath to Kanchi to Varanasi..all teach as you pointed out Vaishnavas, and they believe in a qualified monism, visisht advaita! So what are we left with regards to Mahesh Yogi? Now based upon MY OWN experiences to which I was asked to PROVE or DEMONSTRATE by- Dr. Charles Alexander, PhD at MIU in 1986.. So I spent 7 nights over the course of 9 months in Dr. Moorecroft's sleep and dream lab at Luther College in Decorah, Iowa. The study that I was only PRIME subject tested was overseen by Dr. Jayne Gackenback, PhD University Northern Iowa at Waterloo, Ia and Dr. Stephen LaBerge, PhD Stanford University, and Dr. Charles Alexander, PhD MIU. Here at this website you can read the results of the study done on me as submitted to the International Symposium of Sleep and Dream Research in Oslo Norway in 1987... http://www.spiritwatch.ca/ A portion of the study said this about me-, ..This TM subject (TMS) was a 28 year old male who had been meditating for 5.8 years and received one of the highest scores thus far recorded on an inventory designed to assess self reports of the attainment of higher states of consciousness (Stage of Consciousness Inventory (SCI); Alexander, Davis, Dillbeck, Dixon, Oetzel Muehlman, in press). Further, he received low scores on the SCI scales which assess psychopathology and tendency to endorse misleading, grandiose sounding statements. During TM practice he displayed exceptionally high amplitude alpha spindles across all EEG channels and periods of respiratory suspension (Kesterson, 1985)... What does this have to do with Unity Consciousness ..well I had proven beyond any doubt that I had established this untiy consciousness and furthermore I was the only person willing to subject themselves to the rigirous scrutiny of the entire scientific community to prove it. I can tell you this that the unity consciousness that these TM-ers dearly seek is a complete waste of time as it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with God/Ishatdevata. And even IF these TM-ers had this unity consciounsess they would not want it! It is cosmic nothingness.. devoid of God/Ishtadevata! Ask yourself..how can you be in unity consciousness with a stone? or an automobile? ..or a glass of water? These are lifeless objects..there isn't any underlying Reality that permeates these lifeless objects! To even persist in that debate is comptelety insane! Some burned out x-hippy's fascination with 40 year old acid trip! Even to a God-realized Saint like Sri Brahmananda the lifeless objects were just that..part and parcel of Maya..inantimate and lifeless.. Sri Brahmananda did not lecture about oness or unity with the material universe or Maya!!, and neither did Sri Adi Shankar!! And even to this day in all of Sri Shankar's Ashram the teaching is unity of HEART with God/Ishtdevata through the path of Bhakti!! There isn't any teaching of Sri Adi Shankar regarding intellectual discerment and mental repeatition of a meaningless sound to achieve unity consciouness with a rock or automobile!! See if you can find that nonsense of Mahesh Yogi in any Ashram of Sri Adi Shankar! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: I must say, that until now, I was quite clueless of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaisnava baloney..so says you LOL!
So what has your statement done to refute the undiluted facts of history? Oh let me guess if you cannot intellectually debate FACTS ..then attack the mesenger! Sounds so right wing ..like Fox News..LOL!! FACT--Sri Adi Shankar was a Viashnava Sanyasi!! Hence the orange/saffron colored dhotis kurtha that even Sri Brahmananda wore, and all the Dandi Sanyasi Jagadgurus and their disciples wear to this day. And have worn since the 8th century BCE!! FACT-Sri Adi Shankar started the tradition of wearing orange! FACT-- Sri Adi Shankar taught Bhakti to Lord Govinda/God/Ishtadevata! FACT-- Bhakti to Personal Form of Ishtadevata/God is taught in all of Sri Adi Shankar's Asrham for past 2000+ years!! FACT- I was the PRIME and ONLY Subject in the 1987 study conducted at Luther College at the Sleep and Dream Lab of Dr. Moorecroft', and presented to the International Sleep Dream Symposium Oslo Norway. I was the only person to not only demonstrate 'unity consciouness to the satisfaction of 4 PhD researchers BUT my abstract withstood the rigorious scrutiny of the entire scientific community. FACT- Not ONE single purusha or mother divine TM-er has even repeated what I had sccomplished SO-Here is my post AGAIN ..and PLEASE do your ABSOLUTE best to try and refute the FACTS FACT--With regards to TM and anything Mahesh Yogi wrote or ever said about God was from his own perspective.. Nothing Mahesh Yogi said was regarding God was remotely accurate!! Just look at Mahesh Yogi's teacher-- Sri Brahmananda -- whom referred to God as Ishtadevata. Or to use your own words- Vaishnavas, and they believe in a qualified monism,visisht advaita.. Mahesh Yogi's own master - Sri Brahmananda was a Hindu/ Vaishnavav who taught Bhakti as qualified monism to Ishtadevata. Sri Brahmamnada gave out names of God/Ishtadevata or mantras to be used in worship as He himself even lectured countless times. Sri Brahmananda had 6 names of Ishtadevata that He used to teach to his disciples, and ONLY ONE of the names of God/Ishtadevata(or mantra) was used for worship of Nirkar Brahma (the formless form of God). The other five mantras related directly to Sakar Brahma- God in His personal Form-(either Ram or Vishnu or Shakti, etc). It is important to keep this in mind! If you don't believe me look at Paul Mason webpage devoted to Sri Brahmananda..it is all there from Sri Brhamananda's own lectures and interviews given by His disciples!! Which brings us to the - Holy Tradition -that Mahesh Yogi conjured up starting with Sri Adi Shankar.. Who also taught and was (to use your own words) Vaishnavas, and they believe in a qualified monism, visisht advaita.. Sri Adi Shankar defeated the Buddhists with the philosphy of advait vedanta. But Sri Adi Shankar did not teach advait vedanta. Sri Adi Shankar taught devotion/bhakti to Sri Govinda (Lord Krishna). It is a fact .. As I can cite all of Sri Adi Shankar Ashrams from Puri to Dwarika to Jyosimath to Kanchi to Varanasi..all teach as you pointed out Vaishnavas, and they believe in a qualified monism, visisht advaita! So what are we left with regards to Mahesh Yogi? Now based upon MY OWN experiences to which I was asked to PROVE or DEMONSTRATE by- Dr. Charles Alexander, PhD at MIU in 1986.. So I spent 7 nights over the course of 9 months in Dr. Moorecroft's sleep and dream lab at Luther College in Decorah, Iowa. The study that I was only PRIME subject tested was overseen by Dr. Jayne Gackenback, PhD University Northern Iowa at Waterloo, Ia and Dr. Stephen LaBerge, PhD Stanford University, and Dr. Charles Alexander, PhD MIU. Here at this website you can read the results of the study done on me as submitted to the International Symposium of Sleep and Dream Research in Oslo Norway in 1987... http://www.spiritwatch.ca/ A portion of the study said this about me-, ..This TM subject (TMS) was a 28 year old male who had been meditating for 5.8 years and received one of the highest scores thus far recorded on an inventory designed to assess self reports of the attainment of higher states of consciousness (Stage of Consciousness Inventory (SCI); Alexander, Davis, Dillbeck, Dixon, Oetzel Muehlman, in press). Further, he received low scores on the SCI scales which assess psychopathology and tendency to endorse misleading, grandiose sounding statements. During TM practice he displayed exceptionally high amplitude alpha spindles across all EEG channels and periods of respiratory suspension (Kesterson, 1985)... What does this have to do with Unity Consciousness ..well I had proven beyond any doubt that I had established this unity consciousness and furthermore I was the only person willing to subject themselves to the rigirous scrutiny of the entire scientific community to prove it. I can tell you this that the unity consciousness that these TM-ers dearly seek is a complete waste of time as it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with God/Ishatdevata. And even IF these TM-ers
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That was really entertaining! Thanks for the new info. Uh, Curtis, I gave you the URL to this material in a follow-up post last week. If you'd read it, it wouldn't be new info. Fantastic challenge and I couldn't agree more. You are very right about this point Judy. I have in fact read and forgotten the info on this site more than once so it is not in fact new. That was a misstatement on my part. Great save. To Cold Blue ice: It was not new info. But I enjoyed it anyway. snip I did not know that Maharishi's choice for Shankaracharya was the cook! WTF? See my caveat about ColdBlu and salt shakers in my previous post. noted snip I am surprised that Maharishi's Shankaracharya didn't come to his funeral. Not only did he come to it, he presided over it. Correction noted by Blue himself. (See ColdBlu/salt shakers caveat.) I worshiped Guru Dev in my believe days so it is very refreshing to take another look at him from the fascinating human POV. You mean this fascinating human POV? Swami Brahmanand Saraswati (Brahmanand for short), a man renowned for his piety and vedic learning, was installed as the Head of the Math? 'Cause that's the only part of what ColdBlu posted that had anything to do with Guru Dev while he was, you know, alive. The insight that interested me was that it appears to me that the reason Joitir Math was vacant all those years was not due to lack of someone as scary special as Guru Dev, but because of endless infighting about who had the authority. After his death others were found to be just as special miraculously enough. So the movement's perspective on how special it was that he was installed after all those years is highly suspect to me. I find this fascinating. Just perhaps there was a great deal of outside influence from the British from 1800 to 1940!! What a talking idiot you are Ms. Stein..You have almost zero historical knowledge of religious history of India.. And you make unfounded statements.. There are only 2 Peeths (of the 5 original) that have unbroken disciplic succession..Dwarika Kanchi. The British nearly destroyed the peeths at Sringeri and Puri..not to mention re-wrotethe scriptures.. See my post over at a.m.t- The Beginnings of Brahman ( the Brahman Thingy) and Wrapped around the Axel of Brahman
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman no_reply@ wrote: sparaig wrote: curtisdeltablues wrote: That was really entertaining! Thanks for the new info. I find it interesting that one of the biggest brags about the specialness of Guru Dev was the his seat was empty for years before he took it. Then after his death we seem to have people who are special enough to be the big Kahuna of the caste system supporters. That group had managed to name the SBS to the position and wanted to name someone new. Here we go..another crazy discourse from the peanut gallery! Sri Lawson is going to tell the group managed to name SBS to the position.. Guess what Lawson?..the group was the founding pundits of Kashi that spearheaded the effort to RE-ESTABLISH Jyosimutt/Jyothirmath Ashram1 SBS did not build or establish anything! That IS A HISTORICAL LEGAL FACT. But does that give them the right to declare a NEW Shankaracharya? Sure it does..If you knew the history of the Shankaracharya Order and who oversees the order.. In the 1500's Sri Madhav Acharya organized the mathas/peeths and set up a body at Varanasi/Kashi to oversee the maths. [...]http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi_cremated_in_Allaha bad /articleshow/2774934.cms http://tinyurl.com/yscqyn Namaste Sri Lawson ..I was mistaken..you are right Vasudevananda attended the funeral.. However the careful omission of the title of shankaracharya was deliberate as Vasudevananda has a pending court injunction against him.. excluding himo of any claim tho the title at Jyothrimath.. For purposes of gaining donations as the link you give says. Whether or not any newspaper would refer to him using that title obviously isn't covered by the ruling. No Lawson as Dana Swayer pointed out at this group 2 years ago..(from FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE) .. Dana said it best-, the battle is over and Vasudevananda lost Read it again please the installation is suspect!! Its a done deal See link cited ..The latest development from this angle is that on February 22, 1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim order, prohibiting V#257;sudev#257;nanda from using the title of #346;a#7749;kar#257;c#257;rya to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way. The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect, and that Svar#363;p#257;nanda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title, both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the other #346;a#7749;kar#257;c#257;ryas. Thus, notwithstanding the previous legal standing of Shantananda at Jyotirmath, his disciple and successor seems to have suffered a legal setback at present... http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
Richard J. Williams wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: SBS did not build or establish anything! Its a fact that swami Vasudevanada Saraswati is sitting on the very seat that the Shankarachayra sat on, wearing the Shankarachayra's sandlals, and Vasudevanand owns all the buildings and the property that he inherited from the Shankaracharya. Perhaps it is a fact in your delusional mind Richard.. However that does not change REALITY.. I once again painfully re-cite this fact and remind you that this injunction was upheld in appeals and is a STANDING PERMANENT INJUNCTION AGAINST Vasudevananda (why you tm-ers have such a problem with reality..I will never know).. see The latest development from this angle is that on February 22, 1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim order, prohibiting V#257;sudev#257;nanda from using the title of #346;a#7749;kar#257;c#257;rya to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way. The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect, and that Svar#363;p#257;nanda has the better claim to the Jyotirma#7789;ha title, both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the other #346;a#7749;kar#257;c#257;ryas. Thus, notwithstanding the previous legal standing of #346;#257;nt#257;nanda at Jyotirma#7789;ha, his disciple and successor seems to have suffered a legal setback at present. http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ NOW THE STANDING RULING .. ..allahabad: district judge jagmohan paliwal dismissed the revision application of swami vasudevanand saraswati, and upheld the order of february 13 passed by civil judge (junior division) west, allahabad. the civil judge, on february 13 this year had dismissed the two applications of swami vasudevanand saraswati, whereby he had prayed that contempt proceedings pending against him be rejected in the light of the high court order. shankaracharya swami swaroopanand saraswati has filed a suit, seeking relief that swami vasudevanand saraswati be restrained by the court from proclaiming himself jagat guru shankaracharya of jyotirmath badrikashram himalaya. the additional civil judge (second), allahabad on february 22, 1999 had passed a temporary injunction, restraining swami vasudevanand, not to proclaim himself as jagat guru shankaracharya of jyotishpeeth badrikashram himalaya and work accordingly. after a temporary injunction, swami swaroopanand saraswati has filed an application in the court of civil judge here, seek ing relief that punitive action be taken against swami vasudeva nand under order 39 rule 2(ka) of c.p.c., as he has intentionally violating the court's injunction order and proclaiming himself shankaracharya of badrikashram. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/444328053.cms The war is over and Vasudevananda lost.. Cry me a river..build a bridge and ..GET OVER IT!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
judy stein wrote: curtisdeltablues wrote: judy stein wrote: Vaj wrote: snip It isn't me who makes this stuff up; it's been well known in India that he was a leading suspect for a long time. Actually the rumor was started by some of Guru Dev's disciples in the ashram who resented MMY's closeness to Guru Dev The TRUTH be told Ms. Judy Stein is once again engaging in RANK speculation and hearsay. Not an unusual trait for Ms. Judy Stein when it comes to this topic! There was by all accounts..as reported by Dana Swayer in his interviews with the parties involved in this historic controversy.. no indication of resentment by anyone.!! Only a strong response by the Bharat Dharma MahaMandal of Kashi that originally established the ashram site in 1940 and appointed Brahmananda Saraswti as acharya Jyothirmath. The Bharat Dharma MahaMandal of Kashi did not recognize the authenticity of the so-called will of Brahmananda Saraswti. And appointed the successor one-, Sv#257;m#299; K#7771;#7779;#7751;abodha #256;#347;rama was appointed as the new Jyotirma#7789;h #346;a#7749;kar#257;c#257;rya, contesting #346;#257;nt#257;nanda's claim... http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ ..In 1940, a society known as Bharat Dharma MahaMandal of Kashi made an effort to discover the Math and the effort proved successful. The relics of the Math were found near Badrikashram. The land on which the relics were found along with certain other property on the banks of Varuna in Kashi was acquired by the Society and thereafter the Society created an endowment of the land by a deed dated April 11, 1941 in favour of Jyotir Math and Swami Brahmanand Saraswati (Brahmanand for short), a man renowned for his piety and vedic learning was installed as the Head of the Math. Brahmanand died on May 20, 1953 http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html This is interesting. What is the source for this information? A long, detailed, thoroughly documented essay written some years ago on the Jyotir Math succession controversy by some scholar whose name I can't remember who had made a study of it. The person name is Vidy#257;#347;a#7749;kar Sundare#347;an incidentally a very good friend of Dana Swayer Here is the link to the paper Ms Judy cites http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ Not a TMer, incidentally, and holds no brief for MMY. --especially since he wasn't a Brahmin-- and there was all that brouhaha about Guru Dev's successor. He hadn't named one publicly, which is how it's apparently normally done. All there was was this will that named several people. MMY was backing one of the people Guru Dev had named that the others didn't think should get it, but he did, for awhile at least. I never heard this. Maharishi was backing a Shankaracharya? In what way? I thought he was in the mountains. Curtis, indeed Mahesh Prasad Yogi was backing his pal Ramji Tripathi the ashram cook-(aka Shantananda Saraswti). In my conversation with Dana Swayer..I was told this.. ..'Swami Shantanand was installed in Sri BrahmanandJi's gaddi by Brahmachari Mahesh and few friends that thought the will could be credible. As, Dana Sawyer Professor of Religion and Philoshpy at Maine College of Art has pointed out. Inspite of Swami Shantinand's claim.. ..Sv#257;m#299; Brahm#257;nanda Sarasvat#299; passed away in 1953, but he had not clearly indicated his successor. This immediately caused a problem, as he had initiated a number of disciples into Sa#7747;ny#257;sa. A few weeks after he passed away, a will was found, according to the terms of which, a disciple called Sv#257;m#299; #346;#257;nt#257;nanda Sarasvat#299; was named as the first choice for succeeding to the Jyotirma#7789;ha title. However, many followers of Brahm#257;nanda Sarasvat#299; were satisfied neither with the credentials of #346;#257;nt#257;nanda, nor with the validity/authenticity of the will. Perhaps, the doubts about the will were themselves based partly upon the perception that #346;#257;nt#257;nanda was not a good choice for successor... http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ And also there is the ruling of the District Court in Allahabad which was upheld by the Appeals Court and upheld to the Supreme Court of India that- Ramji Tripathi/aka Shantanada Saraswati was in fact the Ashram Cook and completely illiterate in Sanskrit. ...and that in accordance with the custom and the rules of the Math, they were entitled to install a person nominated by them as the Head of the Math... http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html Which was acceptable with both the Lower District Court, and the Supreme Court as Swami Krishnabodha Ji was a legally recognized Shankaracharya and accepted by other Mathas as well. It seems unlikely that he would have any backing power until after he had come to the West and
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
coldbluiceman wrote: judy stein wrote: curtisdeltablues wrote: judy stein wrote: Vaj wrote: snip It isn't me who makes this stuff up; it's been well known in India that he was a leading suspect for a long time. Actually the rumor was started by some of Guru Dev's disciples in the ashram who resented MMY's closeness to Guru Dev I have to remove the scripting The TRUTH be told Ms. Judy Stein is once again engaging in RANK speculation and hearsay. Not an unusual trait for Ms. Judy Stein when it comes to this topic! There was by all accounts..as reported by Dana Swayer in his interviews with the parties involved in this historic controversy.. no indication of resentment by anyone.!! Only a strong response by the Bharat Dharma MahaMandal of Kashi that originally established the ashram site in 1940 and appointed Brahmananda Saraswti as acharya Jyothirmath. The Bharat Dharma MahaMandal of Kashi did not recognize the authenticity of the so-called will of Brahmananda Saraswti. And appointed the successor one-, Swami Krishnabodha Asrama was appointed as the new Jyotirmath Shankarcharya, contesting Shantananda's claim... http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ ..In 1940, a society known as Bharat Dharma MahaMandal of Kashi made an effort to discover the Math and the effort proved successful. The relics of the Math were found near Badrikashram. The land on which the relics were found along with certain other property on the banks of Varuna in Kashi was acquired by the Society and thereafter the Society created an endowment of the land by a deed dated April 11, 1941 in favour of Jyotir Math and Swami Brahmanand Saraswati (Brahmanand for short), a man renowned for his piety and vedic learning was installed as the Head of the Math. Brahmanand died on May 20, 1953 http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html This is interesting. What is the source for this information? A long, detailed, thoroughly documented essay written some years ago on the Jyotir Math succession controversy by some scholar whose name I can't remember who had made a study of it. The person name is Vidyasankar Sundareshan incidentally a very good friend of Dana Swayer Here is the link to the paper Ms Judy cites http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ Not a TMer, incidentally, and holds no brief for MMY. --especially since he wasn't a Brahmin-- and there was all that brouhaha about Guru Dev's successor. He hadn't named one publicly, which is how it's apparently normally done. All there was was this will that named several people. MMY was backing one of the people Guru Dev had named that the others didn't think should get it, but he did, for awhile at least. I never heard this. Maharishi was backing a Shankaracharya? In what way? I thought he was in the mountains. Curtis, indeed Mahesh Prasad Yogi was backing his pal Ramji Tripathi the ashram cook-(aka Shantananda Saraswti). In my conversation with Dana Swayer..I was told this.. ..'Swami Shantanand was installed in Sri BrahmanandJi's gaddi by Brahmachari Mahesh and few friends that thought the will could be credible. As, Dana Sawyer Professor of Religion and Philoshpy at Maine College of Art has pointed out. Inspite of Swami Shantinand's claim.. ..Swami Brahmananda Sarasvati; passed away in 1953, but he had not clearly indicated his successor. This immediately caused a problem, as he had initiated a number of disciples into Sanysa. A few weeks after he passed away, a will was found, according to the terms of which, a disciple called Swami Shantananda Sarasvati was named as the first choice for succeeding to the Jyotirmathha title. However, many followers of Brahmananda Sarasvati were satisfied neither with the credentials of Shantnanda, nor with the validity/authenticity of the will. Perhaps, the doubts about the will were themselves based partly upon the perception that Shantananda was not a good choice for successor... http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ And also there is the ruling of the District Court in Allahabad which was upheld by the Appeals Court and upheld to the Supreme Court of India that- Ramji Tripathi/aka Shantanada Saraswati was in fact the Ashram Cook and completely illiterate in Sanskrit. ...and that in accordance with the custom and the rules of the Math, they were entitled to install a person nominated by them as the Head of the Math... http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html Which was acceptable with both the Lower District Court, and the Supreme Court as Swami Krishnabodha Ji was a legally recognized Shankaracharya and accepted by other Mathas as well. It seems unlikely that he would have any backing power until after he had come
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
curtisdeltablues wrote: That was really entertaining! Thanks for the new info. I find it interesting that one of the biggest brags about the specialness of Guru Dev was the his seat was empty for years before he took it. Then after his death we seem to have people who are special enough to be the big Kahuna of the caste system supporters. Namely Prasad Varma Mahesh Yogi and Shantanada were supporters of the caste system. Thats is why they-(Ramiji Tripathi/aka Shantananda AND Mahesh Yogi) deemed it a requirement to (fabricate and) published Om Sri Jyothirmath.. which was as I pointed out nothing but a book of LIES!! Even Mahesh Yogi at on time claimed the seat for himself! ..As an aside, a few relatively unknown, early Indian publications of the Transcendental Meditation movement claim the Shankarachraya title for Mahesh Yogi himself, but this is not to be taken seriously.. http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ I did not know that Maharishi's choice for Shankaracharya was the cook! WTF? It is a historical LEGAL FACT!! Another Trotika (sp?) story no doubt. I can also see how a food poisoning incident could be misconstrued as malice if that is how it went down. But the infighting after his death does lead credibility to the POV that these super religious guys are just like the rest of us, same flaws same ambitions. No magically spiritual people, just folks. I am surprised that Maharishi's Shankaracharya didn't come to his funeral. Is he dead? Yes The Hindu, December 7, 1997: Senior Shankaracharya of Jyotish Peeth dead The senior Shankaracharya of Jyotish Peeth, Swami Shantanand Saraswati Ji Maharaj, died in Allahabad on Friday night at his Alopi Bagh Ashram. He was 90. The 'jalsamadhi' of the Shankaracharya will be performed on Sunday at Sangam, the confluence of the Ganga, Yamuna and Saraswati. The body has been kept in the ashram to enable the public to pay their respects. Senior leaders of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, including Mr. Ashok Singhal, dharmacharyas and disciples of the Shankaracharya are arriving here to participate in the last rites of the Shankaracharya. Is that true? Yes..the only person of any notoriety to attend the funeral of Mahesh Yogi was the very same- Mr. Ashok Singhal the former head of the political arm of the VHP. And Singhal attended Ramji Tripathi/Shantananda's funeral as well. He must have been kind of decrepit himself so it may not mean much. It doesn't surprise me that the other pompous dudes didn't go. I think they live in a world where the mountain comes to Mohammad. Thanks for contributing to a discussion that fascinates me. I worshiped Guru Dev in my believe days so it is very refreshing to take another look at him from the fascinating human POV. And he certainly was that! you are welcome coldbluiceman wrote: judy stein wrote: curtisdeltablues wrote: judy stein wrote: Vaj wrote: snip It isn't me who makes this stuff up; it's been well known in India that he was a leading suspect for a long time. Actually the rumor was started by some of Guru Dev's disciples in the ashram who resented MMY's closeness to Guru Dev The TRUTH be told Ms. Judy Stein is once again engaging in RANK speculation and hearsay. Not an unusual trait for Ms. Judy Stein when it comes to this topic! There was by all accounts..as reported by Dana Swayer in his interviews with the parties involved in this historic controversy.. no indication of resentment by anyone.!! Only a strong response by the Bharat Dharma MahaMandal of Kashi that originally established the ashram site in 1940 and appointed Brahmananda Saraswti as acharya Jyothirmath. The Bharat Dharma MahaMandal of Kashi did not recognize the authenticity of the so-called will of Brahmananda Saraswti. And appointed the successor one-, Sv#257;m#299; K#7771;#7779;#7751;abodha #256;#347;rama was appointed as the new Jyotirma#7789;h #346;a#7749;kar#257;c#257;rya, contesting #346;#257;nt#257;nanda's claim... http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ ..In 1940, a society known as Bharat Dharma MahaMandal of Kashi made an effort to discover the Math and the effort proved successful. The relics of the Math were found near Badrikashram. The land on which the relics were found along with certain other property on the banks of Varuna in Kashi was acquired by the Society and thereafter the Society created an endowment of the land by a deed dated April 11, 1941 in favour of Jyotir Math and Swami Brahmanand Saraswati (Brahmanand for short), a man renowned for his piety and vedic learning was installed as the Head of the Math. Brahmanand died on May 20, 1953 http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html This is interesting. What is the source
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes you less in-lightened then other meditation
Edg wrote: What the hell is going on here? All the folks who quit TM for whatever reason were as much lab rats as anyone, and TM didn't cut it for them. THAT'S SCIENCE! They did the experiment, they did the time in the chair, and they got zip. They may have gotten pure gold and are simply stupid when they call it zip, but there they are calling it a failed theory, a failed field test, whatever. Or maybe they had gotten everything tm had to give..and yet found the entire expeirence of in/en-lightenment incomplete. Therefore a lie as well..afterall is said Unity is not ALL IT's made out to BE!! Just in case you are interested- i had the best? experiences of tm. : : http://sawka.com/spiritwatch/psychologicalconhtm.htm : : Gackenbach, J., Moorecroft, W., Alexander, C. LaBerge, S. : : (1987). Consciousness dur-ing sleep in a TM practitioner: : : Heartrate, respiration and eye movement. : : Paper pre-sented at the annual meeting of the : : Association for the Study of Dreams, Arlington,VA. .*Here is a copy of the e-mail to me from, the Research Scientist -Dr. Jayne Gackenbach* : : Subj: Re: Stephen J. Perinn/Perino : : Date: 9/30/00 5:05:19 PM Central Daylight Time : : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jayne Gackenbach) : : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : the study you quote below is the one on your results : : - let me know how you are doing Jayne [end]. -If you don not believe me then e-mail Dr. Gackenbach, and ask her.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend named George
Richard J. Williams willytex wrote: Look, Mr. Blu, you're way out of your league here. The pundits here will wax you real good; they don't take too kindly to informers like you barging in and posting a bunch of nonsense syllables. You better watch what you say or, I'm warning you, Judy or Angela will take you to task and make you look like an utter fool in front of your peers. WilburTex the Talking Ass, i can hardly wait to be waxed by the pundits- Judy or Angela or you. There is nothing as delightful as the (D)efenders (O)f (B)lind (F)aith chirping along singing the praises of ever useless practice of tm. If the pundits/DOBF spent as much time actually engaged in thoughtful reflection of the true waste of time tm is.. as they do in posting here..they might actually find true meaningful lives. You have been warned, Sir. By the way, what exactly, is your guru having a bed inside the temple for?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend named George
Richard J. Williams wrote: Louis McKenzie wrote: Saddam never had weapons of mass destruction no chemical warfare ability none of what was stated. So, how, exactly, did Saddam murder the Kurd women with the babies in their arms if he had no weapons of mass destruction and no chemical weapons? Exactly how *WilburTex the Talking Ass*?..with chemical weapons GW's daddy gave Saddam in the 80's when GHW Bush was Vice President..that is how..same weapons Saddam used on *Your Now Arch Enemy*..the Iranians..WilburTex the Talking Ass Warmonger should be pleased. Because now Turkey has become your enemy as well..because the are bombing the Kurds.. Do you have any friends WilburTex? Or is everyone your enemy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend named George
Richard J. Williams wrote: Louis McKenzie wrote: Saddam never had weapons of mass destruction no chemical warfare ability none of what was stated. Richard J. Williams wrote: So, how, exactly, did Saddam murder the Kurd women with the babies in their arms if he had no weapons of mass destruction and no chemical weapons? ColdBlu wrote: ..with chemical weapons GW's daddy gave Saddam in the 80's when GHW Bush was Vice President. There's no evidence that GW's daddy gave Saddam mustard gas in the 80's. WilburTex the Talking Ass..you said wmds..that is inclusive of the US made sarin nerve agents GHW Bush gave Saddam...which he used with Bush's blessing. Papa Bush never cried foul while Saddam was using those US made- sarin nerve agaents against the Iranians..and neither were you!! If you have any evidence of this, why not post it so we can read it and decide for ourselves? In fact, Saddam's mustard gas was made from dual-use products obtained from France, Germany, and China. Speaking of 'talking ass' - according to Judy, no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. So, what happened to the weapons of mass destruction that GW's daddy supposedly gave to Saddam? i addressed that issue with you long ago..all of those wmds were destroyed by US Forces at the end of Desert Storm (Persian Gulf War) go google ..the plume ..here allow me http://www.nfoic.org/foi-center/gulf-war-logs.html What these veterans and the former CIA intelligence expert did find became one of the most stunning news stories of 1996. The key revelation was that U.S. artillery blew up an Iraqui chemical munitions depot near Kamisiyah, sending a dense cloud of smoke over southern Iraq. After four years of denial, the Pentagon finally admitted that as many as 5,000 servicemen may have been exposed to the plume of smoke -- which was alarming, because the military also admitted that the depot had stored sarin nerve gas and other chemical agents.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cooties vs. Compassion
satvadude108 wrote: sparaig wrote: Sal Sunshine wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Cooties are *powerful*, according to the TM belief system. They are SO powerful that one cannot risk allowing the faithful -- those who have come to you and your tradition for liberation -- to be exposed to them. You can catch cooties almost anywhere, it seems. You can catch them from reading an Off The Program book, you can catch them from seeing another teacher, you can catch them from living with your girlfriend out of wedlock. Hell, you can even catch them from reading Fairfield Life. And once you HAVE caught them, you are no longer *worthy* of the quest for liberation and enlightenment. That IS what the policy of banning people says, right? If you catch cooties by doing any of these things, we HAVE to throw you out so that others don't catch them from you. Or even, bizarrely enough, by saying you've had *good* experiences, (which you'd think would be the point of TM) which they then decide are too flashy, or something, and put you on some hit-list as someone they need to watch, if not outright ban. Pretty weird stuff. In the TM theory, the most powerful positive experience is... nothing at all. Lawson So you are not a Sidha Lawson? Why? Such a strong proponent of the teachings but never taken the sidhis? Why? Is it true what I have read here that you are not regular in your meditations? Why? Lawson Spare Egg English has been clinically diagnosed as having an OCD, and prescribed meds to control it..does that answer your question satvaDude108? Lawson is and has been for many years excluded from and tm ? advanced? courses. I have read Lawson's posts for many years (8 in fact) and always the same words over and over again. Lawson recently cited a breath suspension study by Brian Kesterson PhD (his first name is John). I knew John Kesterson and I was his PRIMARY subject in one of his last studies at miu in 1987. John finally reported that he could *NOT* document any repeatable and verifiable incidences of breath suspension in tm-ers.. SAVE ONE!!..THE ONLY REPORTED AND PUBLISHED INCIDENT THAT JOHN KESTERSON'S NAME WAS ASSOCIATED WITH WAS mine. In fact *my* study performed at the Sleep and Dream Lab, Luther College, Decorah Iowa over 7 months was the only published study endorsed by 4 notable scientist (including Dr. Charles Skip Alexander PhD miu, deceased)that scientifically and objectively verified higher states of consciouness in any tm-er including any purusha participant. Over the last twenty years in all the tm studies performed *NOT ONE tm-er* ever duplicated or repeated what I had demonstrated. People claimed to be in unity consciouness..but not one tm person could scientifically demonstrate it.. I did and I can tell you if you had unity consciouness you would not want it. Here is the study..(please personally contact the author- Jayne Gackenback to determine if what I am telling you is the truth) http://sawka.com/spiritwatch/psychologicalconhtm.htm Gackenbach, J., Moorecroft, W., Alexander, C. LaBerge, S.(1987). Consciousness dur-ing sleep in a TM practitioner: Heartrate, respiration and eye movement. Paper pre-sented at the annual meeting of the Association for the Study of Dreams, Arlington,VA. Here is a copy of the e-mail to me from the Research Scientist-Dr. Jayne Gackenbach Subj: Re: Stephen J. Perino Date: 9/30/00 5:05:19 PM Central Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jayne Gackenbach) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the study you quote below is the one on your results - let me know how you are doing Jayne [end]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cooties vs. Compassion
sparaig rote: coldbluiceman wrote: satvadude108 wrote: sparaig wrote: Sal Sunshine wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Cooties are *powerful*, according to the TM belief system. They are SO powerful that one cannot risk allowing the faithful -- those who have come to you and your tradition for liberation -- to be exposed to them. You can catch cooties almost anywhere, it seems. You can catch them from reading an Off The Program book, you can catch them from seeing another teacher, you can catch them from living with your girlfriend out of wedlock. Hell, you can even catch them from reading Fairfield Life. And once you HAVE caught them, you are no longer *worthy* of the quest for liberation and enlightenment. That IS what the policy of banning people says, right? If you catch cooties by doing any of these things, we HAVE to throw you out so that others don't catch them from you. Or even, bizarrely enough, by saying you've had *good* experiences, (which you'd think would be the point of TM) which they then decide are too flashy, or something, and put you on some hit-list as someone they need to watch, if not outright ban. Pretty weird stuff. In the TM theory, the most powerful positive experience is... nothing at all. Lawson So you are not a Sidha Lawson? Why? Such a strong proponent of the teachings but never taken the sidhis? Why? Is it true what I have read here that you are not regular in your meditations? Why? Lawson Spare Egg English has been clinically diagnosed as having an OCD, and prescribed meds to control it..does that answer your question satvaDude108? Lawson is and has been for many years excluded from and tm ? advanced? courses. I have read Lawson's posts for many years (8 in fact) and always the same words over and over again. Lawson recently cited a breath suspension study by Brian Kesterson PhD (his first name is John). I knew John Kesterson and I was his PRIMARY subject in one of his last studies at miu in 1987. John finally reported that he could *NOT* document any repeatable and verifiable incidences of breath suspension in tm-ers.. SAVE ONE!!..THE ONLY REPORTED AND PUBLISHED INCIDENT THAT JOHN KESTERSON'S NAME WAS ASSOCIATED WITH WAS mine. Well, I can't find my copy of the study to check the actual numbers, and yes, his name is John, not Brian, but, he appears to have claimed to have found more than one subject with consistent breath suspension when he published a study in 1989. Perhaps you're mis- recalling the fact that he concluded there was no drop in O2 consumption associated with TMers who showed breath suspension which caused them to rethink what they were claiming about TM's affect on metabolic rate. 1: Am J Physiol. 1989 Mar;256(3 Pt 2):R632-8. Links Metabolic rate, respiratory exchange ratio, and apneas during meditation. Kesterson J, Clinch NF. Department of Physiology, Maharishi International University, Fairfield, Iowa 52556. We tested the hypothesis that a drop in metabolic rate (MR) causes the apneas observed in some subjects during transcendental meditation (TM). We measured O2 consumption (VO2) and CO2 production (VCO2) in three groups of experienced meditators and one group of nonmeditating controls. Lawson, I am not getting into another of your convoluted debates of your distorted facts... Such as your notion of hand-picked succesor to Sri Guru Dev.. The facts are with John Kesterson; 1. John Kesterson denounced all of his research in 1988 when I spoke to him directly. And, in fact denounced tm all together 2. The masters of *Dis-infromation* at miu to this day associate John Kesteron's name with research that John had denounced. As you cite in your own post. John Kesterson's last study subject was myself. Why not find John Kesterson today and ask him yourself? Where is John today? ..and why has he not published any current research in 20 years on this very subject? ANSWER: BECAUSE JOHN KESTERSON DENOUNCED tm!! Now here is the section of my previous post that your snipped, and routinely ignore.. ..In fact *my* study performed at the Sleep and Dream Lab, Luther College, Decorah Iowa over 7 months was the only published study endorsed by 4 notable scientist (including Dr. Charles Skip Alexander PhD miu, deceased)that scientifically and objectively verified higher states of consciouness in any tm-er including any purusha participant. Over the last twenty years in all the tm studies performed *NOT ONE tm-er* ever duplicated or repeated what I had demonstrated. People claimed to be in unity consciouness..but not one tm person could scientifically demonstrate it.. I did and I can tell you if you had unity consciouness you would not want it. Here
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cooties vs. Compassion
Richard J. Williams willytex wrote: So the banning of a person or another is just all empty drama to allow people doing the banning to have something to feel powerful and decisive about, and for those banned to feel wronged and victimized about, but it is complete illusion on both sides. Yeah, but the OldBluIceMan still thinks he's been banned. I do?..news to me..Banned from what exactly? From what I've heard, he hasn't been banned, it's just that nobody out there likes him anymore because he doesn't do any work - he just lays around all the time sleeping or watching TV. Out where?..and who is nobody? Apparently he can't even make it down the hill for satsang these days. ..Yeah sure..we will see when I finish my 1/2 marathon this fall ..or the Capital 10K.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Funeral in Varanasi - All invited.
More tmo B.S.!!..his rotting carcass will never see India..He was run out of India over 17 years ago. Lil MishMashy Mahesh Prasad Varmit (aka The Biggest Con Man Lying Sack-O'-Crap) died in exile as I predicted over at A.M.T. 7 years ago!! The world is truly a better place NOW!! All are invited to come to India for the final ceremonies for Maharishi's Mahasamadhi. according to an indina website...they will bring maharishi ji to india on 9th and funeral will be done in varanasi 11:40 AM according to this site the funeral will be on 12th Sangam Ghat Allahabad 11:39 AM where 3 rivers meet 11:40 AM ganga yamuna and sarswati 11:40 AM yes 11:42 AM varanasi is the old name of the same area.. 11:43 AM i think this news must have come from somewhere Vlodrop.but there is nothig like this on other sites 11:42 AM anyway you can take it for the moment
[FairfieldLife] The World truly is a bettre place now..
..that Lying Con Man is dead.. Oh btw.. Roos.. 'You can live forever..and you can phly.. Suckers
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
sparaig wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: spare egg Lawson English wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: spare egg Lawson English wrote: cold blu ice man wrote: sparaig wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: spare egg wrote: cold blu ice man wrote: As no pundit worth his salt would make a claim (or allow another to make a claim) that would insinuate a group of pundits chanting Vedic verses could change the course of human events. Lawson English wrote: What is a mahayagya,O Sagacious One? John A. Stanley wrote: This: http://alex.natel.net/misc/ww2_yagya.jpg?? Namaste Sir Alex John Stanely Ji.., i must politley inform you that the photo you are looking at is the-- Khumba Mela taken in 1944 on the banks of the Jamuna/Yamuna river. The oldest Mela, the Khumba Mela, is held once every 12 years at the junction of the three sacred rivers (Ganges, Yamuna, and Saraswati) and attended by more than 40 million people. Now the dates of the Khumba Mela are set to the specific location using astrological calculations based upon the placement of planet Jupiter, also there are ardha-Khumbas held every 6 years on the Jamuna River. ...The Kumbha Mela takes place every four years in rotation at Haridwar, Prayag (Allahabad), Nasik and Ujjain, according to the placement of Jupiter in the Zodiac. A modern innovation, there are also popular half-melas, ardha-kumbhas, every six years at Haridwar and Prayag. It is at Prayag, where the Yamuna River joins the Ganga, that the largest number of human beings in history gathered--15 million on February 6, 1989. Haridwar, logistically less convenient, managed ten million on April 14, 1998. Still, that's five times this year's two million Muslim pilgrims who journeyed to Mecca for the Haj, the second largest gathering... http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1998/9/1998-9-11.shtml Now AJ Ji..,what were you lead to believe that photo is?? According to Steve Perino, no pundit worth his salt would make the claim that would insinutate a group of pundits chanting Vedic verses could change the course of human events i won't address poor Sir Lawson Ji until his doctors have screened him for paranoia delusional behavior. But having said that- if indeed that was a world peace gathering in Prayag in 1944(which i am not sayning it was).. It sadly did not have the desired effect as how many estimated millions died during Summer 1944 and Summer 1945 in WWII?? How many a-bombs did we drop on Japan in the Summer of 1945? I never commented on the efficacy of such programs, merely on your claim that they are not traditional. Namaste Sir Lawson Ji.., i must politely inquire-, are you off your meds again?.. and when did i *EVER* say yagya was-, not traditional?? Stop making this stuff up!!.. i am going stop posting to you if you don't get professional help. I ask again: what is a mahayagya and... what is it FOR? Pancha Mahayagya has a fivefold(hence Pancha) with desired personal results for all aspects of family life with regards to *PERSONAL* spiritual upliftment: 1. DEVOTION TOWARDS PARENTS 2. DEVOTION AND FAITHFULNESS TOWARDS THE HUSBAND 3. EQUALITY 4. RIGHT CONDUCT AND CHARACTER 5. ADORATION OF LORD VISHNU AND SINGING HYMNS IN HIS PRAISES http://urday.com/panch-2.html Hint to lurkers: google mahayagya Sorry LawsonJi nothing with regards to world peace.., now please get screened by your professional mental health care provider..for your family's sake. Heh. So mahayagya is only for the individual? The term pancha mahayajnas (mahayagyas) refers specifically to individual daily rituals. Namaste Sir Lawson Ji.., i must politley remind you the term- pancha refers to count of 5 items or things. For example the PanchaTanMantras-(subtle elements of matter) Sabda, Sparsa, Rupa, Rasa and Gandha. Yes, and the term pancha mahayajnas or pancha mahayagyas refers specifically to rituals performed by individuals. i thought you said Annop Chandola schooled you in Sanskrit? Who told you that? However, mahayajna also refers to the great rituals done by massive groups for many different purposes. Had you done a google search on mahayagya rather than pancha mahayagya you would have noted this immediately
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
sparaig wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: [...] I apologize to everyone for feeding the troll. Yesterday, I only had 2 hours sleep and then was so wired that I forgot to meditate. My OCD tends to flare up in such circumstances... Namaste Sir LawsonJi..,i humbily accept your apology. You are- (as my kids used to say) *Off The Hook*.. The day before you made accusations of- me and Sri Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati Ji were attempting to undermine the tmo pundit project. Think you can stay on-topic today? If so here is my assessment of the tmo pundit project.. First, lets have a look at the recent photo of the tmo pundits arrival in America.. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/2581?c= Well Sir LawsonJi...i must politely point out that-- 1. ***none of the tmo pundits are wearing the traditional orche (orange) kurti/dhotis of the *BRAHMIN SHANKARYACHARYA TRADITION*!!.. Not one single tmo pandit has taken sanyas diksha in the Shankaracharya Tradition!!*** Look at the old photos of-- Sri Vhibuushiit Jyosimutt Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati..., He is wearing the orange dhoti indicating He has taken sanyas diksha in the Shankaracharya Tradition!! And, from the pictures you directed us to in your post regarding the pundit compound in India.., none of the pundits were any orange kurtas/dhotis in those photos either!!..all ARE WEARING SIMPLE WHITE KURTAS/DHOTIS!! Now to the indian tmo pundit compound and the pundits.. 2. if you choose to look at the recent violent events in India with regards to the Tamil Tigers in the South India, and the Islamic terrorists in North India and Kashmir.., i would guess the tmo pandits as trained by Brahmachari Mahesh are not doing a very good job in preventing wars...in there own country. So, in a cursory view i would say the *Anticipated Results* of Dr. John Hagelin are not going to happen as a direct result of the tmo pundit project... And, as a side note--i just dont see how your OCD tangents in this thread regarding Hindu pundits is any related to tmo pundits as we were led to believe that the tmo /tm/pandits, etc are *NON- religious* in nature!!. Think you need your meds tweeked? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
sparaig wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: sparaig wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: [...] I apologize to everyone for feeding the troll. Yesterday, I only had 2 hours sleep and then was so wired that I forgot to meditate. My OCD tends to flare up in such circumstances... Namaste Sir LawsonJi..,i humbily accept your apology. You are- (as my kids used to say) *Off The Hook*.. The day before you made accusations of- me and Sri Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati Ji were attempting to undermine the tmo pundit project. Think you can stay on-topic today? If so here is my assessment of the tmo pundit project.. First, lets have a look at the recent photo of the tmo pundits arrival in America.. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/2581?c= Well Sir LawsonJi...i must politely point out that-- 1. ***none of the tmo pundits are wearing the traditional orche (orange) kurti/dhotis of the *BRAHMIN SHANKARYACHARYA TRADITION*!!.. Not one single tmo pandit has taken sanyas diksha in the Shankaracharya Tradition!!*** So pandits/pundits must all be sanyasin? Namaste Sir LawsonJi.. i must politley remind to *Stay-On-Topic*..,as i refused to be dragged into another one of your Prozac-inspired tangents again! We are discussing- Mishmashi brahmachari Mahesh-ian pundits who claimed he was-, training young brahman boys to become Vedic Pundits in the tradition of his master Sri Swami BrahmandaJi (who was sanyasi and wore an orange dhoti)..., so to answer your question..YES in the strictest sense of his Master's lineage. Because the Mahesh-ian tmo pundits are not wearing orange we can question their repsective caste..AS NOT BRAHMAN CASTE..Contrary to Mishmashi Brahmachari Prasad Varma Mahesh's spurious claims! It would be kinda hard to organize and daily participate in mass yagyas involving hundreds or thousands of fellow renunciates if you were a medicant monk, I think... Here is the website *YOU* personally provided.. http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ In these photos where did you see hundreds of thousands of Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh-ian tmo pundits??? The website cleary indicates only slightly more than 100!! Since you brought it up.., where are the 10,000 Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh-ian tmo pundits??? i told you there was never any large groups of Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh-ian tmo pundits numbering more than 200 anywhere in the world!!! Come to think of it, if all pundits must be sanyasin, where do little pundits come from and who teaches them, by the hundreds or thousands? Certainly not their fellow renunciates because that would be, well, wordly of them... You really have trouble with reality.. Can you hold a job? Do you even have gainful employment? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
sparaig wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: spare egg wrote: cold blu ice man wrote: As no pundit worth his salt would make a claim (or allow another to make a claim) that would insinuate a group of pundits chanting Vedic verses could change the course of human events. What is a mahayagya, O Sagacious One? This: http://alex.natel.net/misc/ww2_yagya.jpg Namaste Sir Alex John Stanely Ji.., i must politley inform you that the photo you are lokking at is the-- Khumba Mela taken in 1944 on the banks of the Jamuna/Yamuna river. The oldest Mela, the Khumba Mela, is held once every 12 years at the junction of the three sacred rivers (Ganges, Yamuna, and Saraswati) and attended by more than 40 million people. Now the dates of the Khumba Mela are set to the specific location using astrological calculations based upon the placement of planet Jupiter, also there are ardha-Khumbas held every 6 years on the Jamuna River. ...The Kumbha Mela takes place every four years in rotation at Haridwar, Prayag (Allahabad), Nasik and Ujjain, according to the placement of Jupiter in the Zodiac. A modern innovation, there are also popular half-melas, ardha-kumbhas, every six years at Haridwar and Prayag. It is at Prayag, where the Yamuna River joins the Ganga, that the largest number of human beings in history gathered--15 million on February 6, 1989. Haridwar, logistically less convenient, managed ten million on April 14, 1998. Still, that's five times this year's two million Muslim pilgrims who journeyed to Mecca for the Haj, the second largest gathering... http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1998/9/1998-9-11.shtml Now AJ Ji..,what were lead to believe that photo is?? According to Steve Perino, no pundit worth his salt would make the claim that would insinutate a group of pundits chanting Vedic verses could change the course of human events i won't address poor Sir Lawson Ji until his doctors have screened him for paranoia delusional behavior. But having said that- if indeed that was a world peace gathering in Prayag in 1944(which i am not sayning it was).. It sadly did not have the desired effect as how many estimated millions died during Summer 1944 and Summer 1945 in WWII?? How many a-bombs did we drop on Japan in the Summer of 1945? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
jim flanegin wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: snip So please tell me *Exactly* the predicted outcome, right now for the entire duration of the pundits stay in America? snip Here is mine.. **Absolutely Nothing**!! I think Turq [quoting Richard Bach] said it best several hundred posts ago, Argue for your limitations, and they are yours. Namaste Sir JimJi.., i must politley remind you of Michael Murphy's line in an old Doobie Bros. song-, ..What a fool believes. You are indeed free to believe anything you wish, and have blind faith in your beliefs. Just as you personally believe(and have blind faith in your belief) that-- Jim Flanegin is somehow tied into Lord Sri Shiva and Sri Vibhushiit Shankaracharya Jyosimutt Swami BrahmanadJi via his relationship with Mishmashi brahmachari Mahesh Prasad Varma.. Which i understand to be just a blind faith belief system held by Jim Flanegin. As, having met Mishmashi brahmachari Mahesh Prasad Varma on 3 occasions, and objectively reviewing his spurious claims dating back to May 1953..,i never got the impression he-brahmachari Mahesh was divienly inspired by any Personal Form of God. In fact as near as i can tell Mishmashi brahmachari Mahesh Prasad Varma's inspiration comes from Raam notes / $money$. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
spare egg Lawson English wrote: cold blu ice man wrote: sparaig wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: spare egg wrote: cold blu ice man wrote: As no pundit worth his salt would make a claim (or allow another to make a claim) that would insinuate a group of pundits chanting Vedic verses could change the course of human events. What is a mahayagya, O Sagacious One? This: http://alex.natel.net/misc/ww2_yagya.jpg Namaste Sir Alex John Stanely Ji.., i must politley inform you that the photo you are looking at is the-- Khumba Mela taken in 1944 on the banks of the Jamuna/Yamuna river. The oldest Mela, the Khumba Mela, is held once every 12 years at the junction of the three sacred rivers (Ganges, Yamuna, and Saraswati) and attended by more than 40 million people. Now the dates of the Khumba Mela are set to the specific location using astrological calculations based upon the placement of planet Jupiter, also there are ardha-Khumbas held every 6 years on the Jamuna River. ...The Kumbha Mela takes place every four years in rotation at Haridwar, Prayag (Allahabad), Nasik and Ujjain, according to the placement of Jupiter in the Zodiac. A modern innovation, there are also popular half-melas, ardha-kumbhas, every six years at Haridwar and Prayag. It is at Prayag, where the Yamuna River joins the Ganga, that the largest number of human beings in history gathered--15 million on February 6, 1989. Haridwar, logistically less convenient, managed ten million on April 14, 1998. Still, that's five times this year's two million Muslim pilgrims who journeyed to Mecca for the Haj, the second largest gathering... http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1998/9/1998-9-11.shtml Now AJ Ji..,what were lead to believe that photo is?? According to Steve Perino, no pundit worth his salt would make the claim that would insinutate a group of pundits chanting Vedic verses could change the course of human events i won't address poor Sir Lawson Ji until his doctors have screened him for paranoia delusional behavior. But having said that- if indeed that was a world peace gathering in Prayag in 1944(which i am not sayning it was).. It sadly did not have the desired effect as how many estimated millions died during Summer 1944 and Summer 1945 in WWII?? How many a-bombs did we drop on Japan in the Summer of 1945? I never commented on the efficacy of such programs, merely on your claim that they are not traditional. Namaste Sir Lawson Ji.., i must politely inquire-, are you off your meds again?.. and when did i *EVER* say yagya was-, not traditional?? Stop making this stuff up!!..i am stop posting to you if you don't get professional help. I ask again: what is a mahayagya and... what is it FOR? Pancha Mahayagya has a fivefold(hence Pancha) with desired personal results for all aspects of family life with regards to *PERSONAL* spiritual upliftment: 1. DEVOTION TOWARDS PARENTS 2. DEVOTION AND FAITHFULNESS TOWARDS THE HUSBAND 3. EQUALITY 4. RIGHT CONDUCT AND CHARACTER 5. ADORATION OF LORD VISHNU AND SINGING HYMNS IN HIS PRAISES http://urday.com/panch-2.html Hint to lurkers: google mahayagya Sorry LawsonJi nothing with regards to world peace.., now please get screened by your professional mental health care provider..for your family's sake. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
spare egg Lawson English wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: spare egg Lawson English wrote: cold blu ice man wrote: sparaig wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: spare egg wrote: cold blu ice man wrote: As no pundit worth his salt would make a claim (or allow another to make a claim) that would insinuate a group of pundits chanting Vedic verses could change the course of human events. What is a mahayagya, O Sagacious One? This: http://alex.natel.net/misc/ww2_yagya.jpg Namaste Sir Alex John Stanely Ji.., i must politley inform you that the photo you are looking at is the-- Khumba Mela taken in 1944 on the banks of the Jamuna/Yamuna river. The oldest Mela, the Khumba Mela, is held once every 12 years at the junction of the three sacred rivers (Ganges, Yamuna, and Saraswati) and attended by more than 40 million people. Now the dates of the Khumba Mela are set to the specific location using astrological calculations based upon the placement of planet Jupiter, also there are ardha-Khumbas held every 6 years on the Jamuna River. ...The Kumbha Mela takes place every four years in rotation at Haridwar, Prayag (Allahabad), Nasik and Ujjain, according to the placement of Jupiter in the Zodiac. A modern innovation, there are also popular half-melas, ardha-kumbhas, every six years at Haridwar and Prayag. It is at Prayag, where the Yamuna River joins the Ganga, that the largest number of human beings in history gathered--15 million on February 6, 1989. Haridwar, logistically less convenient, managed ten million on April 14, 1998. Still, that's five times this year's two million Muslim pilgrims who journeyed to Mecca for the Haj, the second largest gathering... http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1998/9/1998-9-11.shtml Now AJ Ji..,what were you lead to believe that photo is?? According to Steve Perino, no pundit worth his salt would make the claim that would insinutate a group of pundits chanting Vedic verses could change the course of human events i won't address poor Sir Lawson Ji until his doctors have screened him for paranoia delusional behavior. But having said that- if indeed that was a world peace gathering in Prayag in 1944(which i am not sayning it was).. It sadly did not have the desired effect as how many estimated millions died during Summer 1944 and Summer 1945 in WWII?? How many a-bombs did we drop on Japan in the Summer of 1945? I never commented on the efficacy of such programs, merely on your claim that they are not traditional. Namaste Sir Lawson Ji.., i must politely inquire-, are you off your meds again?.. and when did i *EVER* say yagya was-, not traditional?? Stop making this stuff up!!.. i am going stop posting to you if you don't get professional help. I ask again: what is a mahayagya and... what is it FOR? Pancha Mahayagya has a fivefold(hence Pancha) with desired personal results for all aspects of family life with regards to *PERSONAL* spiritual upliftment: 1. DEVOTION TOWARDS PARENTS 2. DEVOTION AND FAITHFULNESS TOWARDS THE HUSBAND 3. EQUALITY 4. RIGHT CONDUCT AND CHARACTER 5. ADORATION OF LORD VISHNU AND SINGING HYMNS IN HIS PRAISES http://urday.com/panch-2.html Hint to lurkers: google mahayagya Sorry LawsonJi nothing with regards to world peace.., now please get screened by your professional mental health care provider..for your family's sake. Heh. So mahayagya is only for the individual? The term pancha mahayajnas (mahayagyas) refers specifically to individual daily rituals. Naamste Sir Lawson Ji.., i must politley remind you the term- pancha refers to count of 5 items or things. For example the PanchaTanMantras-(subtle elements of matter) Sabda, Sparsa, Rupa, Rasa and Gandha. i thought you said Annop Chandola schooled you in Sanskrit? However, mahayajna also refers to the great rituals done by massive groups for many different purposes. Had you done a google search on mahayagya rather than pancha mahayagya you would have noted this immediately since there is only one hit for pancha mahayagya with quotes: the one you gave us. Talk about a transparent attempt to skew the information to support your argument! i did not skew anything Sir Lawsonji. That being said..,lets go through your list to determine: 1). if any of this great info you posted has anything at all to do with the tmo pundits..and more importantly John Hagelin's *Anticipated Results* of the tmo pundit project in America..and 2). if any of this info has to do
[FairfieldLife] Re: I am an idiot
sparaig wrote: Here I am, assuing that ColdBlueIce is able to read, and I accepted without question, his claim that the High Court had found that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati wasn't a good enough Sanskrit Scholar to be Shankaracharya. Naamste Sir LawsonJi.., i must politley agree with you-, you are an IDIOT. But that goes without saying (or typing).. i never said (not one time) Sri Vibhuushiit Jyosimutt Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati was unfit!! i said Swami Shantinand was unfit as he could not read/understand sanskrit.. Get on your meds and, stop making stuff up!! Here go look for yourself.., Idiot.. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/116827 ..The court ruled that Swami Shantinand could not in fact understand Sanskrit language. And, this is not a secular issue as you tried to point out. As, the sanskrit language was used outside of the religious connation you suggested so this issue was decided by the court. Apparent to the court Swami Shantinand lacked demonstrable skill of sanskrit language ruled as such. And, the Court upheld the assertions of the Bharata Dharma Mahamandala... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/116864 ..in case you are interested this is what i said (which you will ignore..again. But *Blind Faith* allows that sort of thing)The court ruled that Swami Shantinand could not in fact understand Sanskrit language. And, this is not a secular issue as you tried to point out. As, the sanskrit language was used outside of the religious connation you suggested so this issue was decided by the court. Apparent to the court Swami Shantinand lacked demonstrable skill of sanskrit language ruled as such. And, the Court upheld the assertions of the Bharata Dharma Mahamandala... Namaste Sir Lawson, The validity of the will means exactly this.. there were five names on a piece of paper that was *Published after Sri BrahmanandJi passed away*..,that is an *Undisputed Legal Fact* by the Lower Court and Supreme Court and by both parties-, the Resondent/Ramji Tripathi-Shantinand, and the Plaintiffs. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html The plaintiffs in the court case suggested to the court the order had been reversed, as Swami Shantinand was the last choice and the poorest choice..,as it was *Factually Established* Shantinand/Ramji Tripathi could not comprehend nor read sanskrit http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html and - http:// www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20687.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/116924 ..That being said lets, look again at the *Facts* that Sir LawsonJi continues to ignore(as that is afforded by *Blind Faith*). It is a Historical Fact that Ramji Tripathi aka Swami Shantinand fabricated a story and published his *Om Sri Jyotirmath*. Now my question to you- Sir Lawson Ji is.. *Why was it nessaccary for Swami Shantanand to LIE about his past*??.. And, what would motivate Swami Shantinand to *LIE*?... (Although to his credit Swami Shantinand quit his charade and-, gave up this nonsense of claiming the title of Shankaracharya.) Herewith are the *lIES* (and the facts you ignore).. a. *legal Fact* the publication of the will, which surfaced weeks after Sri BrahmanandJi's passing. Inspite of Swami Shantanand's claim-, Item #1). A fully executed will of Sri BrahmanandJi was deposited in Allhalabad on December 18, 1952. (1st paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') b. Swami Shantinand was a poor choice because of the *Legal Fact* he could not comprehend sanskrit nor the Vedas. Inspite of Swami Shantinand's claim-, He was completely qualified the hold the seat as he was literate in Sanskrit and the Vedas. (2nd paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') c. At issue was the fact that Swami Shantanand was installed in Sri BrahmanandJi's gaddi by Brahmachari Mahesh and few friends that thought the will could be credible. As, Dana Sawyer Professor of Religion and Philoshpy at Maine College of Art has pointed out. Inspite of Swami Shantinand's claim-, Item #2). He was installed in Varansi in the presence of hundreds of scholars from all over the country (2nd paragraph page 3 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') d. At issue were the suspicious behavior and motivations of Brahmachari Mahesh at about the time of Sri BrahmanandJi's passing. ..In fact, the earliest doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh Brahmachari)... http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html e. From the Kropinski interview of Oct. 1986 with the *ONLY LEGIMATE LEGALLY RECOGNIZED* Shankaracharya of Jyosimutt. ...He said, word came to me that he (Shantinand) had requested to be allowed on the stage. I allowed him to be present only because he has given up this nonsense of claiming title to Shankaracharya. He said Vishnu Devanand, Mahesh's
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
sparaig spare egg/ Lawson English wrote:
Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote:
Is there a Conspiracy to corrupt the Vedic Pundits.??
How would you know a corrupted Pundit from an un-corrupted
Pundit?
Perhaps by the style in which they wear their dhotis?
Which style would indicate a corrupted pundit?
Do lange Dhoti (Ankle Length)
Tevata Dhoti (Mid Calf Length)
Tilangi Dhoti (Above Knee)
Now THAT is something I hadn't thought of,
but I'm almost certain that a few people who
have contributed to this forum (e.g. ColdBlueIce)
would feel obligated to try to their utmost
to make it so and come to think of it,
Please tell me Spare Egg why would i care??
So, when the course finally ends in Fairfield, and America is much
the state of affairs that it was last month-Sept.'06 does this
somehow indicate that it is my fault?
And, when no one in Fairfield {ph}lies.., it is because i single-
handedly corrupted pundits in Iowa from Austin, TX?
How would i-, try to their utmost to make it so?
The pundits were probably corrupt the momment they decided to hook
up with Mishmashi Brahmachari Prasad Varma.
As no pundit worth his salt would make a claim(or allow another to
make a claim) that would insinuate a group of pundits
chanting Vedic verses could change the course of human events.
Just this morning i read the US forces just topped 100 dead troops
in Iraq for the month of October...Somehow i just don't think this
whole pundit thing is working.
Swami Swaroopananda and friends probably feel the
same way.
And, you are somehow qualifed to speak for the *ONLY* legally
recognized / legitimate Shankaracharya of Jyosimutt and direct
disciple of Sri BrahmanandJi??
As Barry points out later on.., if these pundits can indeed
influence the entire universe by their chanting from anywhere in the
world to anywhere.., then why come here to America?
But if the Democrats are successful in taking control of the US
Senate i guess you will claim it was the pundits.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
sparaig spare egg / Lawson English wrote: judy stein wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: spare egg wrote: Jason Spock wrote: Is there a Conspiracy to corrupt the Vedic Pundits.?? Now THAT is something I hadn't thought of, but I'm almost certain that a few people who have contributed to this forum (e.g. ColdBlueIce) would feel obligated to try to their utmost to make it so and come to think of it, Swami Swaroopananda and friends probably feel the same way. As I heard it, Coldbluiceman (in the best TMer entrepreneurial spirit) has opened a Seduce A Pundit stand within sight of the frat windows, where nubile young Iowa babes are encouraged to sunbathe nude and fondle themselves. Sparaig, *someday* you and Jason should learn to keep your unreasoning paranoia to yourselves. Uh, Barry, I think Jason was expressing skepticism, and Lawson was making, you know, a joke. Actually, I wasn't joking. Namaste Sir LawsonJi In my very humble opinion i must politely inquire- or are you off your meds?? Besides being clinically diagnosed as suffering from OCD, did the doctors evaluate you for- paranoia delusional behavior? ColdBlueIce has devoting years of posting on a.m.t. to saying that Maharishi Pundits simply don't exist, period. Firstly Sir Lawson Ji-- these 114 gentlemen from India that came to Fairfield dressed in white kurta/dhoti pajamas are *legimate* pundits because Mishmashi Brahmachari Prasad Varma told you so!! Now, Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Prasad Varma has also claimed that-, these pundits can (simply by chanting Vedic verses)influence the course of human events from anywhere to anywhere. Why come here to America? As Barry has just pointed out. And, you convienently ignored. Now this is the same Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Prasad Varma that paraded Swami Shantinand (when he was alive) around in view of sincere gullible westerners, claiming that Shantinand was somehow a legitmate Shankracharya that endorsed tm. And Swami Swaroopananda believes that MMY killed his guru. And, as the *ONLY* legimate lawful Shankaracharya of Jyosimutt.., Sri SwaroopanandJi has pointed out that-- Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Prasad Varma has a history of using alledged shankaracharyas to dupe gullible westerners. Now Sir LawsonJi.., i say you are being duped once again. Given those facts it wouldn't be surprising to learn that they are working deligently to sabotage MMY's projects, As i have better things to do with my time.., i would just like to point out at 'google news' at this moment now in the business section -- Washington Post Goodyear to close Texas plant Crain's Cleveland Business - 36 minutes ago Goodyear Tire Rubber Co. will close its tire manufacturing plant in Tyler, Texas, as part of an announced plan to exit certain segments of its private label tire business. Goodyear to Close Texas Plant, Cut Jobs CBS News Goodyear to Close Texas Plant, Cut Jobs Washington Post Toronto Star all 148 news articles » Washington Post Dow, Nasdaq Slide in Midmorning Trading Houston Chronicle - 45 minutes ago By TIM PARADIS AP Business Writer. © 2006 AP. NEW YORK - Stocks fell Monday as investors tried to assess the health of the economy following a lackluster sales report from Wal-Mart Stores Inc. if at all possible. Sir LawsonJi.., how is the weather on your planet?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
judy stein wrote: sparaig wrote: judy stein wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: sparaig wrote: Jason Spock wrote: Is there a Conspiracy to corrupt the Vedic Pundits? Now THAT is something I hadn't thought of, but I'm almost certain that a few people who have contributed to this forum (e.g. ColdBlueIce) would feel obligated to try to their utmost to make it so and come to think of it, Swami Swaroopananda and friends probably feel the same way. As I heard it, Coldbluiceman (in the best TMer entrepreneurial spirit) has opened a Seduce A Pundit stand within sight of the frat windows, where nubile young Iowa babes are encouraged to sunbathe nude and fondle themselves. Sparaig, *someday* you and Jason should learn to keep your unreasoning paranoia to yourselves. Uh, Barry, I think Jason was expressing skepticism, and Lawson was making, you know, a joke. Namaste Ms. Judy.., i must politley point out-- poor Lawson was not joking! As he admits himself. So much for your process of thinking. Swaroopanand *might* be in a position to get in the way, And, in line with your questionable thought processes.., please tell us one way inwhich Sri SwaroopanandJi-, *might* be in a position to get in the way.. You sound almost as paranoid as poor Lawson. but I'm not sure why he'd think he needed to. He seems pretty convinced MMY is a fraud, Along with nearly everyone on this earth. so why would he bother? Better to stand aside and just let the whole thing flop. Now that is truly a very negative attitude. The idea of ColdBlue being able to accomplish anything to sabotage the pundit project, other than thinking evil thoughts Who is thinking evil thoughts?..you just pointed out above this whole pundit thing is doomed to failure. and making absurd posts, appears to me to be ludicrous on its face. Not nearly as absurb as your assessment of Lawson's jokes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another corroboration that the Indian TMO are a bunch of thugs
Rick Archer wrote: Last night a friend told me that a wealthy couple (not either pair of Kaplans) living in or near the Spiritual Capital in N. Carolina donated $2 or 3 Million and later began to wonder what might have happened to it, so they went to India to investigate. After 6 months over there, they came back convinced that the Indian TMO was a mafia-like organization and that meddling with it could cost you your life. They have since distanced themselves from the movement. Namaste Sri Rick Ji.., Well all there needs to be done to help corroborate the veracity of your friend's story is to investigate the facts surrounding the history of the- Indian TMO. Just start with the very beginning of the Indian TMO.., Everything that happened some fifty three years ago with regards death of Sri Vibhuushiit Jyosimutt Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati the indian tmo had a hand in.. Starting with and including Mishmashi Brahmachari Prasad Varma and his uncle- Raj Varma. It was Raj Varma whom took it upon himself to re-write the history surrounding the death of Sri Swami BrahmanandJi in his book- 'Strange Facts about a Great Saint' re-printed by Varma Sons, 1980. The spurious claims made then that- an authentic will of Sri BrahmanandJi that was deposited with the Registars Office in Allhallabad on December 18, 1952 was never true! As court documents and undisputed evidence clearly shows.. reference page 792 ..Before his death, he executed a will which was published on June 8, 1953. By the will, he nominated a panel of 4 persons in-order of choice indicated in the will to succeed him as head of the Math... http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html Then later the indian tmo claimed this- ..As an aside, a few relatively unknown, early Indian publications of the Transcendental Meditation movement claim the Sankaracharya title for Mahesh Yogi himself, but this is not to be taken seriously... http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html After this attempt of claiming the title of shankaracharya by the indian tmo failed, it was followed by a charade that went on for years-- of the indian tmo and brahmachari Mahesh parading Swami Shantinand around as shankaracharya of the north from June 1953 until Shantinand finally quit calling himself shankaracharya in 1980. From the Kropinski interview of Oct. 1986 with the only lawfully recognized Shankaracharya of Jyosimutt. ..He said, word came to me that he (Shantinand) had requested to be allowed on the stage. I allowed him to be present only because he has given up this nonsense of claiming title to Shankaracharya... http://minet.org/Documents/shank-1 The indian tmo was even present at the celebration held by Sri SwaroopanandJi that Bob Kropinsky attended.. ..Shankaracharya then warned me that Mahesh now knows you are here in Vrindaban with me. He has sent Nadikishor and his spies here with others to watch you, you must be very careful. He placed a guard outside of my bedroom door at night and had someone travel with me at all times. Much to my amazement, I discovered that, in fact, I was being followed... http://minet.org/Documents/shank-1 Then during the 1990s there was failed a political party-Ajay Bharat in the Indian province of Madhya Pradesh (city of Jalapur birthplace of brahmachari Mahesh) that was backed with tmo funds, and named after one of brahmachari Mahesh's newphew- Ajay Shristava. This now defunct political party was known to engaged in voter fraud in attempts to influnce elections.. please see my post at Alt.Meditation.Transcendental as i wrote about this very subject some 4 years ago... The Trail of Money and Deception From: ColdBluICE - view profile Date: Mon, Jul 29 2002 9:30 pm http://tinyurl.com/twfr9 More news articles on the ABP (Ajay Bharat Party) of Madhya Pradesh.. Yogi casts a shadow Of all people, Mahesh Yogi was a bizarre shadow over the brainstorming camp here. The Yogi, with more money than he can count, apparently has an ardent follower in former state education minister and Congress MLA till a day ago, Mukesh Nayak. Nayak, once an aide of Ajit Jogi, was seen as a potential star in the MP Congress but fell foul with powers that be. It was then that Yogi moved in. Apparently, he told Nayak that his party, Ajeya Bharat, would field many candidates in the coming Assembly polls and with things in a balance between the Congress and the BJP, Yogi feels, Ajeya Bharat could throw a lot of spanners in the wheel. So, Nayak was given a fleet of cars and plenty of cash as incentive to quit the Congress and spearhead Yogi's party. No amount of pleas from the Congress high command worked and Nayak timed his resignation in time for the Pachmarhi camp. http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980907/25050904.html The indian tmo appears to be composed of members of at least two families- 'Shristava' and 'Varma'..or just one big happy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
judy stein wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: judy stein wrote: sparaig wrote: judy stein wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: sparaig wrote: Jason Spock wrote: Is there a Conspiracy to corrupt the Vedic Pundits? Now THAT is something I hadn't thought of, but I'm almost certain that a few people who have contributed to this forum (e.g. ColdBlueIce) would feel obligated to try to their utmost to make it so and come to think of it, Swami Swaroopananda and friends probably feel the same way. As I heard it, Coldbluiceman (in the best TMer entrepreneurial spirit) has opened a Seduce A Pundit stand within sight of the frat windows, where nubile young Iowa babes are encouraged to sunbathe nude and fondle themselves. Sparaig, *someday* you and Jason should learn to keep your unreasoning paranoia to yourselves. Uh, Barry, I think Jason was expressing skepticism, and Lawson was making, you know, a joke. Namaste Ms. Judy.., i must politley point out-- poor Lawson was not joking! As he admits himself. Yes, you see, in the post you're responding to, I was replying to Lawson's post saying he was not joking. Namaste Ms. Judy, i must politley take exception your statement. Now you claim Lawson was not joking! When in your previous post you said-, Lawson was making, you know, a joke. So you aren't pointing out anything to me, politely or otherwise, I'm afraid. Nothing other than you can't seem to function coherently. i really sincerely feel compassion for your poor afflicted emotional mind. This sort of brainlessness on your part is why I initially assumed Lawson must be joking to suggest you were capable of participating in a conspiracy to corrupt the pundits. Ms. Judy.., most politley you are just plain Looney Tunes! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
sparaig spare egg /Lawson English wrote: judy stein wrote: sparaig wrote: judy stein wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: sparaig wrote: Jason Spock wrote: Is there a Conspiracy to corrupt the Vedic Pundits.?? Now THAT is something I hadn't thought of, but I'm almost certain that a few people who have contributed to this forum (e.g. ColdBlueIce) would feel obligated to try to their utmost to make it so and come to think of it, Swami Swaroopananda and friends probably feel the same way. As I heard it, Coldbluiceman (in the best TMer entrepreneurial spirit) has opened a Seduce A Pundit stand within sight of the frat windows, where nubile young Iowa babes are encouraged to sunbathe nude and fondle themselves. Sparaig, *someday* you and Jason should learn to keep your unreasoning paranoia to yourselves. Uh, Barry, I think Jason was expressing skepticism, and Lawson was making, you know, a joke. Actually, I wasn't joking. ColdBlueIce has devoting years of posting on a.m.t. to saying that Maharishi Pundits simply don't exist, period. And Swami Swaroopananda believes that MMY killed his guru. Given those facts it wouldn't be surprising to learn that they are working deligently to sabotage MMY's projects, if at all possible. Swaroopanand *might* be in a position to get in the way, but I'm not sure why he'd think he needed to. He seems pretty convinced MMY is a fraud, so why would he bother? Better to stand aside and just let the whole thing flop. The idea of ColdBlue being able to accomplish anything to sabotage the pundit project, other than thinking evil thoughts and making absurd posts, appears to me to be ludicrous on its face. I never said that they would be effective. In Swaroopanand's case, he certainly could have (and almost certainly would have, had he been made aware) worked behind the scenes to sabatoge any attempts to bring the pundits here in the first place. Namaste Sir Lawson Ji.., i must respectfully standby my original thoughts on this matter and your current state of mental un-wellness. And, politley pose my question again to you..,aside from being clinically diagnosed as having an OCD did your doctor also conduct screening for paranoia deslusional behavior? In ColdBlueIce's case, like as not, he's on a Mission from God to help the pundits see the error of their ways-- afterall, he says that they have been corrupted from the moment they had contact with MMY and the TMO, Sir Lawson Jji.., my statement regarding the pundits as-, they have been corrupted from the moment they had contact with Mishmashi Brahmachari Varma and the tmo was speculative in nature. As, i played along with the assumption you and Judy have have made that these kurta/dhoti pajama-clad gentlemen from India are indeed any sort of Vedic pundits. i maintain these vedic pundits are vedic pundits because Mishmashi Brahmachari Prasad Varma told you so! And, in fact are indian tmo recuits from off the streets of any major Indian city. so he would be doing them a tremendous favor by rescuing them from association with a hell-bound teacher (his terms). You are really are a verified *Nut Case* aren't you..Lawson? Think of the good karma that would result, in his eyes... Induldge me for a moment in your warped delusional fantasy Lawson and elucidate.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celestial Unity
sparaig wrote: curtis delta blues wrote: My favorite line: Raja Wynne came in his white limo to check everything out. He looked grand. Second favorite line: Maharishi's Pandits arrived in Chicago in Raja Michael's domain to garlands, a large banner in Devanagari script, bags of treats and small gifts, bagpiper. Nothing says welcome to America to an Indian man like a bagpiper! I'm guessing that Mike Meyers was right: If it's not Scottish, it's crpp!! India IS part of the Commonwealth, Sir Lawson Ji.., you need to get your meds checked. India declared its independence from the UK in 1948. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
spare egg wrote:
coldbluiceman wrote:
sparaig spare egg/ Lawson English wrote:
Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote:
Is there a Conspiracy to corrupt the Vedic Pundits.??
How would you know a corrupted Pundit
from an un-corrupted
Pundit?
Perhaps by the style in which they wear their dhotis?
Which style would indicate a corrupted pundit?
Do lange Dhoti (Ankle Length)
Tevata Dhoti (Mid Calf Length)
Tilangi Dhoti (Above Knee)
Now THAT is something I hadn't thought of,
but I'm almost certain that a few people who
have contributed to this forum (e.g. ColdBlueIce)
would feel obligated to try to their utmost
to make it so and come to think of it,
Please tell me Spare Egg why would i care??
Why make so much noise about their
non-existance over the years if you didn't care?
i don't care. Simply because a few months ago the indian tmo
rounded up a few (114!..not 10,000!) and taught them all a very
simple and commonly available Arti(puja).., dressed them up and sent
them to Fairfield means nothing to me.
However, it certainly impresses the heck out of you.
But then Anoop Chandola onced convinced you Shantinanda was Guru
Dev's handpicked sucessor!
So, when the course finally ends in Fairfield,
and America is much
the state of affairs that it was last month-Sept.'06
does this
somehow indicate that it is my fault?
Er, no. And I'm under the impression that the pundits'
stay is indefinite. Certainly a year or
more (since that is the amount of time that
Settle pledged to pay for yogic flyers and
money has already been pledged specifically
for pundits to stay indefinitely and the TMO
is collecting those pledges right now).
Simply doesn't matter how long these alledged pundits stay here
nothing will change.
And, when no one in Fairfield {ph}lies.., it is because i single-
handedly corrupted pundits in Iowa from Austin, TX?
Hardly.
So we are agreed- no one will {ph}ly.
How would i-, try to their utmost to make it so?
Not a clue. That is up to you.
Surely Lawson you are off your meds.., you must have a clue.
The pundits were probably corrupt
the momment they decided to hook
up with Mishmashi Brahmachari Prasad Varma.
Does anyone reading this doubt that you fervently
HOPE that this is the case, regardless of
any action you choose to take in the future?
i don't have to hope Sir Lawson..it is a fact..,that these 114
kurta/dhoti pajama pundits will not any affect on my life!..period.
That delusional belief is best left to you.
As no pundit worth his salt would make a claim
(or allow another to
make a claim) that would insinuate a group of pundits
chanting Vedic verses could change the course of human events.
Really?
What purpose are these group chants for,
according to Indian tradition?
GO to your local Hindu temple and find out for yourself...
Hindu Society of Arizona
4725 West Palo Verde Avenue
Glendale, AZ 85302
Swaminarayan Temple of Phoenix
7918 East 1st Avenue, Mesa, AZ 85208
Phone: 480-357-9922
Website: www.swaminarayan.org/globalnetwork/america/PHOENIX.htm
International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON)
100 S. Weber Drive, Phoenix, AZ 85226
Phone: 480-705-4900
Website: www.iskconaz.org
International Society of Divine Love
315 E Eugie Ave., Phoenix, AZ 85022-4727
Self-Realization Fellowship Temple and Ashram Center
6111 North Central Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85012-1232
Phone: 602-279-6140
Hindu Temple of Arizona
3019 N Hayden Road, Scottsdale, AZ 85251
Phone: 480-874-3200
Desert Ashram
3403 W. Sweetwater Drive, Tucson, AZ 85745-9301
Phone: 520-743-0384
International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON)
711 E. Blacklidge Drive, Tucson, AZ 85719
Phone: 520-792-0630
Sadhanalaya
3325 W. Sweetwater Drive
Tucson, AZ 85745-9300, Phone: 520-743-3484
Sri Ram Society Hindu Temple and Guest House
505 W Miracle Mile, Tucson, AZ 85705
Phone: 520-623-1974
Babaji Ramalinga Temple/ Palaniandavar Temple
5750 West 8th Street, Yuma, AZ 85364
Phone: 928-783-7239
Just this morning i read the US forces
just topped 100 dead troops
in Iraq for the month of October...
Somehow i just don't think this
whole pundit thing is working.
Heh. They arrived yesterday.
And in fact, the claim for the course pre-pundits, is that the
yogic flyers' numbers are sufficient to affect
the US of A internally,
NOT events on the
other side of the world, save as those
events reflect decisions made here in the USA. I
don't think that this claim has changed
radically with the arrival of the pundits, regardless
of what chants they do.
So please tell me *Exactly* the predicted outcome, right now for the
entire duration of the pundits stay in America?
1. Lawson's / tmo prediction..
2. Lawson's / tmo prediction..
3. Lawson's / tmo prediction..
4. Lawson's / tmo prediction..
5. Lawson's / tmo prediction..
Here is mine.. **Absolutely Nothing
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits - etiquette
spare egg wrote:
cold blu ice man wrote:
spare egg wrote:
coldbluiceman wrote:
sparaig spare egg/ Lawson English wrote:
Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote:
Is there a Conspiracy to corrupt the Vedic Pundits.??
How would you know a corrupted Pundit
from an un-corrupted
Pundit?
Perhaps by the style in which they wear their dhotis?
Which style would indicate a corrupted pundit?
Do lange Dhoti (Ankle Length)
Tevata Dhoti (Mid Calf Length)
Tilangi Dhoti (Above Knee)
Now THAT is something I hadn't thought of,
but I'm almost certain that a few people who
have contributed to this forum (e.g. ColdBlueIce)
would feel obligated to try to their utmost
to make it so and come to think of it,
Please tell me Spare Egg why would i care??
Why make so much noise about their
non-existance over the years if you didn't care?
i don't care.
Simply because a few months ago the indian tmo
rounded up a few (114!..not 10,000!)
and taught them all a very
simple and commonly available Arti(puja)..,
dressed them up and sent
them to Fairfield means nothing to me.
However, it certainly impresses the heck out of you.
But then Anoop Chandola onced convinced you Shantinanda was Guru
Dev's handpicked sucessor!
So, when the course finally ends in Fairfield,
and America is much
the state of affairs that it was last month-Sept.'06
does this
somehow indicate that it is my fault?
Er, no. And I'm under the impression that the pundits'
stay is indefinite. Certainly a year or
more (since that is the amount of time that
Settle pledged to pay for yogic flyers and
money has already been pledged specifically
for pundits to stay indefinitely and the TMO
is collecting those pledges right now).
Simply doesn't matter how long these
alledged pundits stay here
nothing will change.
And, when no one in Fairfield {ph}lies..,
it is because i single-
handedly corrupted pundits in Iowa
from Austin, TX?
Hardly.
So we are agreed- no one will {ph}ly.
How would i-, try to their utmost to make it so?
Not a clue. That is up to you.
Surely Lawson you are off your meds.., you must have a clue.
The pundits were probably corrupt
the momment they decided to hook
up with Mishmashi Brahmachari Prasad Varma.
Does anyone reading this doubt that you fervently
HOPE that this is the case, regardless of
any action you choose to take in the future?
i don't have to hope Sir Lawson..it is a fact..,
that these 114
kurta/dhoti pajama pundits will not
any affect on my life!..period.
That delusional belief is best left to you.
As no pundit worth his salt would make a claim
(or allow another to
make a claim) that would insinuate a group of pundits
chanting Vedic verses could change
the course of human events.
Really?
What purpose are these group chants for,
according to Indian tradition?
GO to your local Hindu temple and find out for yourself...
They practice yagyas for world peace
but aren't really doing it for world peace?
Namaste Sir LAwson Ji..,
What??
Just this morning i read the US forces
just topped 100 dead troops
in Iraq for the month of October...
Somehow i just don't think this
whole pundit thing is working.
Heh. They arrived yesterday.
And in fact, the claim for the course pre-pundits,
is that the
yogic flyers' numbers are sufficient to affect
the US of A internally,
NOT events on the
other side of the world, save as those
events reflect decisions made here in the USA. I
don't think that this claim has changed
radically with the arrival of the pundits, regardless
of what chants they do.
So please tell me *Exactly* the predicted outcome, right now for the
entire duration of the pundits stay in America?
1. Lawson's / tmo prediction..
2. Lawson's / tmo prediction..
3. Lawson's / tmo prediction..
4. Lawson's / tmo prediction..
5. Lawson's / tmo prediction..
Here is mine.. **Absolutely Nothing**!!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!
dhamiltony2k5 wrote: So, this FFL thread is the best accounting the TMorg and Maharishi give of what they have done? Evidently thin accounting that is not transparent. It looks pretty bad when they can not openly speak to it. Shame on them. mark meredith 2002 wrote: mark meredith 2002 wrote markmeredith@ wrote: bob brigante wrote: U.S. non-profits are required to file an IRS form 990, which lists their income and assets. For 2004, the Global Country of World Peace listed a balance of $190 million dollars. Anybody can verify this by going to http://www.guidestar.org , completing the free registration, and looking at the 990 information using the search term Maharishi. mark meredith 2002 wrote Form 990 for 2004 shows net assets of only $10.2 million for the Global Country of World Peace. $8.5 million for the prior year. I can't find any independent filing entity related to maharishi endowment for world peace. The Global Country seems to deal solely with vedic city stuff, nothing about India. Where exactly are you finding $190 million balance in cash? The Global Development Fund is the largest maharishi entity in the US with over $200 million in net assets but that's primarily old money from the 90s with only $3 million in cash. mark meredith 2002 wrote: Actually I think I may have found it. In 2002, the Maharishi Global Development Fund took in $76 million in donations. $58 million of that was then transferred out to a variety of offshore accounts in the Channel Islands. The primary offshore account is the Brahmanada Saraswati trust which received a $53 million grant that year. This same account received $16 million in 2003 and $10 million in 2004 in grants from the MMY Glb. Dev Acc't, which represents the majority of its own donations for those years. So it seems that US donations to the pundits have gone into the Glb. Dev fund for tax purposes but then get transferred out to an offshore account where of course they can't be traced any further. I can't imagine what else that $76 million in donations in 2002 could be connected to. Was that the year the millionaire courses started?? Anyway, unless someone can get records from a private offshore account we don't know how the pundit donations have been used. I'm still curious where Bob saw the $190 million in cash? PS -- The biggest expense for the MMY Glb Dev fund in 2002 was $2.7 million paid to Equine 121 Consulting in Texas. This must be related to that real estate scandal in texas in which the movement paid a bunch of money to some ex-politician to fix some deal which cost the locals a bunch of money -- anyone remember those details?? Sir Mark, Looks like the tmo may have hired a consultant to lobby the City Counsil with regards to the re-zoning issues. It appears the City wants to re-zone as agricultural land. And, the tmo which failed to develop the 300 acres with a whirled peas palace, and tehy await a buyer. Doesn't look the parcel will sell anytime soon due primarily to the re-zoning issues, as there isn't a master plan in place now. See related articles.. THE COLONY – The Maharishi Global Development Fund is asking the city to delay rezoning about 300 acres that the fund owns along State Highway 121 so the company can find a buyer. The city will consider the requested six-month delay next month but is eager to see the land developed. Officials want to change the zoning back to its original agricultural designation because no development has occurred there for several years. It's part of the city's plan to turn the stretch of Highway 121 into an entertainment and recreation district by attracting development. The city has adopted a master plan to realize that vision, and one of the first steps is to rezone the land accordingly. http://tinyurl.com/eugpa Steve Brown: Trump buzz probably all talk He brought big rumors and earned big bucks in Dallas appearance 08:09 AM CST on Friday, March 3, 2006 ..And don't forget the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's plan to build a 300- acre heaven on earth in The Colony... http://tinyurl.com/jct2y To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!
lurkernomore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: snip Well, it won't buy Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh's ticket back to India. The Lil mantra-$elling -freak-Mahesh will die in exile in Holland. And, his old pals Swami Vasudevananda or Sri Ravi Shankara won't even show when they plow his corpse under in the tuplip garden out back. Namaste Sir Stephen, You seem somewhat fixated on the funeral arrangements for Mahesh. May I ask why? Namaskar Sir Steve Ji, yes you certainly may inquire : )...i must politely take exception with uour assesmnet of my fixation. i really and truly could care less what happens to Brahmachari Mehesh when he passes. as i said 6 years ago over at a.m.t.- , Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh will die in exile fallen and in dis- grace in Holland far from his former ashram at Jyosimutt. i am just reminding Ms. Judy and Lawson of the truth of my words 6 years ago, and how those words remain true to this day. Seems to me many other Indian Saints, (or whatever you want to refer to Mahesh as), had rather ordinary funerals. I can't say for sure, but Yogananda, Vivekenanda, Muktananda, probably had western type affairs. Sir Steve Ji, please check with the ashram of Ramakrishna Paramahans (that is Swami Vivekanand's former ashram) as Swami Vivekanand's final demise is uncertain. All that is known is after he returned to his ashram from Chicago, Ill. USA in late-1800s he admitted that he committed a grave error and told Ramakrsihna Paramahans disciples to burn his books, and then departed for the Himalaya Mountians never to be heard from again. And, for YoganandaJi's body, that was taken back to his ashram in India. What makes you think this is such a high priority for MMY? Well, Sir Steve Ji as Mahesh claims to be-, the most favored disciple of Sri BrahmanandJi (and SBS recieved a 'Grand-Send-Off' with the whole- coffin tossed in to Ganges next to Allhalabad Ashram ceremony)..,one would think Brahmachari Mahesh's corpse would be taken back the Allhalbad ashram for a least the same 'Grand-Send- Off'.., or maybe take his corpse up to Jyosimutt ashram and place on a funeral pyre. And, with Vedic Pundits from Kashi Vidvat Parishad and the four current legitmate Shankarachrayas in attendance paying homage to the *so-called Maharishi*- The great seer who claims he-, re-established the long lost Shankaracharya tradition, and all the lost Vedas.. It is so pathetic to hear of him now curled up in a log cabin in Holland blind and unable to walk don't you think? lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's handpicked successor (Lawson's- Tired Old Anoop Chandola Story)
sparaig spare egg /Lawson English wrote: cldbluiceman wrote: sparaig spare egg/ Lawson English wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: sparaig sparaig/Lawson English wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: sparaig spare egg/Lawson English wrote: Y'know, maybe I can't read the stilted language of the Indian Courts properly, or maybe I simply can't understand your points (or both), Namaste Sir Lawson, Then please allow to clarify, and give you the gest of the tired Old Anoop Chandola Story, and the fabrications of truth contained in Swami Shantanand's book -'Om Sri Jyothirmath'. First of all: (1) Regarding the will of Sri BrahmanandJi. None of the civil lawsuits were framed around the vaildity of the will. ..Thus, none of the civil suits in this dispute seems to have been framed in terms of contesting the legal bona fides of Brahmananda's will... http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html snip As I said, one of us is misreading what the court has said... As I quoted to you twice from the higher court's summary, the lower court found that the willl was valid... O well... Namaste Sir Lawson Ji, The validity of the will means exactly this.. there were five names on a piece of paper that was *Published after Sri BrahmanandJi passed away*.., that is an *Undisputed Legal Fact* by the Lower Court and Supreme Court and by both parties-, the Resondent/Ramji Tripathi-Shantinand, and the Plaintiffs. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html The plaintiffs in the court case suggested to the court the order had been reversed, as Swami Shantinand was the last choice and the poorest choice..,as it was *Factually Established* Shantinand/Ramji Tripathi could not comprehend nor read sanskrit http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html http:// www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20687.html As I said, you appear unable to understand what you furnish theURL for. Namaste Sir Lawson Ji, i must politely take exception with your assessment of my understanding of the URL i provide. The higher court said that the lower court said that the will was valid and that SBS was of sound mind when he wrote it. Sir Lawson Ji..where did you read in the URL that SBS wrote a will? You *assume facts not in evidence*!! please see page 792 ..Before his death, he executed a will which was published on June 8, 1953.. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html He was in disposing mind when He signed the will. However that was disputed by the committee, and it was within ashram custom to nominate anyone they choose... please see page 792 ..and that in accordance with the custom and the rules of the Math, they were entitled to instal a person nominated by them as the Head of the Math... http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html Which was acceptable with both the Lower District Court, and the Supreme Court as Swami Krishnabodha Ji was a legally recognized Shankaracharya and accepted by other Mathas as well. No mention was made to the order of the will in the URL you provided. Sir Lawson Ji, i must politely inquire-*CAN YOU READ?*.. reference page 792 ..By the will, he nominated a panel of 4 persons in-order of choice indicated in the will to succeed him as head of the Math. His first choice was Swami Shantanand Saraswati, respondent No. 1. Respondent No. 1 accepted the office, He was installed as Shankaracharya of the Math on June 12, 1953.. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html As to the rest, the question now arises: who is vomptent to choose SBS's successor? SBS or the group of scholars? Sir Lawson Ji, i must politely take exception of your *Skewd Understanding* of the *FACTS* the group of scholars were the persons that set up the ashram in 1940. Please see page 792 ..In 1940, a society known as Bharat Dharma Maha- Mandal or Kashi made an effort to discover the Math and the effort proved successful. The relics of the Math were found near Badrikashram. The land on which the relics were found along with certain other property on the banks of Varuna in Kashi was acquired by the Society and thereafter the Society created an endowment of the land by a deed dated April 11, 1941 in favour of Jyotir Math and Swami Brahmanand Saraswati (Brahmanand for short), a man renowned for his piety and vedic learning was installed as the Head of the Math. Brahmanand died on May 20, 1953 http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html The fact of the matter is that THEY ignored SBS's will completely and chose someone who wasn't even listed. And, that was *COMPLETELY WITHIN ASHRAM CUSTOM* as i pointed out
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!
jim flanegin wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: lurkernomore steve.sundur@ wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: snip Well, it won't buy Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh's ticket back to India. The Lil mantra-$elling -freak-Mahesh will die in exile in Holland. And, his old pals Swami Vasudevananda or Sri Ravi Shankara won't even show when they plow his corpse under in the tuplip garden out back. Namaste Sir Stephen, You seem somewhat fixated on the funeral arrangements for Mahesh. May I ask why? Namaskar Sir Steve Ji, yes you certainly may inquire : )... i must politely take exception with your assesment of my fixation. i really and truly could care less what happens to Brahmachari Mehesh when he passes. as i said 6 years ago over at a.m.t.- , Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh will die in exile fallen and in dis- grace in Holland far from his former ashram at Jyosimutt. i am just reminding Ms. Judy and Lawson of the truth of my words 6 years ago, and how those words remain true to this day. Seems to me many other Indian Saints, (or whatever you want to refer to Mahesh as), had rather ordinary funerals. I can't say for sure, but Yogananda, Vivekenanda, Muktananda, probably had western type affairs. Sir Steve Ji, please check with the ashram of Ramakrishna Paramahans (that is Swami Vivekanand's former ashram) as Swami Vivekanand's final demise is uncertain. All that is known is after he returned to his ashram from Chicago, Ill. USA in late-1800s he admitted that he committed a grave error and told Ramakrsihna Paramahans disciples to burn his books, and then departed for the Himalaya Mountians never to be heard from again. And, for YoganandaJi's body, that was taken back to his ashram in India. What makes you think this is such a high priority for MMY? Well, Sir Steve Ji as Mahesh claims to be-, the most favored disciple of Sri BrahmanandJi (and SBS recieved a 'Grand-Send-Off' with the whole- coffin tossed in to Ganges next to Allhalabad Ashram ceremony)..,one would think Brahmachari Mahesh's corpse would be taken back the Allhalbad ashram for a least the same 'Grand-Send-Off'.., or maybe take his corpse up to Jyosimutt ashram and placed on a funeral pyre. And, with Vedic Pundits from Kashi Vidvat Parishad and the four current legitmate Shankarachrayas in attendance paying homage to the *so-called Maharishi*- The great seer who claims he-, re-established the long lost Shankaracharya tradition, and all the lost Vedas. It is so pathetic to hear of him now curled up in a log cabin in Holland blind and unable to walk don't you think? Only if you are addicted and worshipful of the material world as you are. Namaste Sir Jim Ji, I must politely take exception with your assesment of my personal character. How would you know Him i worship? Who gives a damn if he is blind or in a cabin in Holland or not in India? Well Sir Jim Ji to answer inquiry ragrding-, who gives a damn.. i am guessing Mishmashi Brahachari Mahesh does, as he tried to appease former P.M. Indira Gandhi in 1980 by- informing P.M. Gandhi- he(Mahesh) would give up his vast personal wealth if she would allow him back into India! Also, i have from a good source (former purusha) who was aboard the plane when Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh was run out of India for the final time in 1989 that-, he(Mahesh) Bevan Morris and Greg Wilson cried like babies.., because Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh had gotten run out. The truth of His Master, the Living Embodiment of Shiva, Brahmananda Saraswati was to transcend space and time and live firmly in the timeless Infinite, surrendered to That which supports all phenomenal form, not addicted to the phenomena themselves. Sir Jim Ji, i must politely inquire-, what has that to do with Mishmashi Brahmacahri Mahesh's current situation? That is why Maharishi is his favorite disciple, surrendered to Him- He got It! Yes Sir Jim Ji..,Brahmachari Mahesh Prasad Varma got it.. run straight out of India. And why you apparently fail to grasp this, and have staked your identity on proving some nonsense related to religious dogma. ? You should be ashamed of yourself for not transcending the words of the wise and the saints, Gods and Godesses which you bandy about so freely. And, Lil Mishmashi Prasad Varma should have heeded those words as well.. because he got his butt run out of his former ashram. BTW Sir Jim Ji..since you are the ardent defender of Lil Mishmashi Prasad Varma..i must politely inquire, just what were those suspicious motivations and behavior he was up to at the time of Sri Vibhushiit Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanad Saraswati Ji Maharaj's death?? please see.. ..In fact, the earliest doubts about
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's handpicked successor (Lawson's- Tired Old Anoop Chandola Story)
Lawson English wrote: As I said, you appear unable to understand what you furnish theURL for. Namaste Sir Lawson Ji, i took the libery to snip this..easy to read. i must politely take exception with your assessment of my understanding of the URL i provide. The higher court said that the lower court said that the will was valid and that SBS was of sound mind when he wrote it. Sir Lawson Ji..where did you read in the URL that SBS wrote a will? You *assume facts not in evidence*!! please see page 792 ..Before his death, he executed a will which was published on June 8, 1953.. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html He was in disposing mind when He signed the will. However that was disputed by the committee, and it was within ashram custom to nominate anyone they choose... please see page 792 ..and that in accordance with the custom and the rules of the Math, they were entitled to instal a person nominated by them as the Head of the Math... http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html Which was acceptable with both the Lower District Court, and the Supreme Court as Swami Krishnabodha Ji was a legally recognized Shankaracharya and accepted by other Mathas as well. No mention was made to the order of the will in the URL you provided. Sir Lawson Ji, i must politely inquire-*CAN YOU READ?*.. reference page 792 ..By the will, he nominated a panel of 4 persons in-order of choice indicated in the will to succeed him as head of the Math. His first choice was Swami Shantanand Saraswati, respondent No. 1. Respondent No. 1 accepted the office, He was installed as Shankaracharya of the Math on June 12, 1953.. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html As to the rest, the question now arises: who is vomptent to choose SBS's successor? SBS or the group of scholars? Sir Lawson Ji, i must politely take exception of your *Skewd Understanding* of the *FACTS* the group of scholars were the persons that set up the ashram in 1940. Please see page 792 ..In 1940, a society known as Bharat Dharma Maha- Mandal or Kashi made an effort to discover the Math and the effort proved successful. The relics of the Math were found near Badrikashram. The land on which the relics were found along with certain other property on the banks of Varuna in Kashi was acquired by the Society and thereafter the Society created an endowment of the land by a deed dated April 11, 1941 in favour of Jyotir Math and Swami Brahmanand Saraswati (Brahmanand for short), a man renowned for his piety and vedic learning was installed as the Head of the Math. Brahmanand died on May 20, 1953 http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html The fact of the matter is that THEY ignored SBS's will completely and chose someone who wasn't even listed. And, that was *COMPLETELY WITHIN ASHRAM CUSTOM* as i pointed out above! Now, i humbily request you answer my very simple questions Sir Lawson Ji.. First please allow me to point out that is a historical fact that Ramji Tripathi aka Swami Shantinand fabricated a story and published his *Om Sri Jyotirmath*. Question #1. *Why was it nessaccary for Swami Shantanand to *LIE about his past*? Sir Lawson Ji response here.. Question #2. And, what would motivate Swami Shantinand to *LIE*?... (Although to his credit Swami Shantinand quit his charade and-, gave up this nonsense of claiming the title of Shankaracharya.) Sir Lawson Ji response here.. Question #3. If nearly every statement in Shantinand's book 'Om Sri Jyothirmath was a *LIE*, and the fact Swami Shantinand eventually gave the nonsense of claiming title of Shankarcharya, was there ever any statement made by Swami Shantinand from June 1953 to 1980 that was true? Sir Lawson Ji response here.. As, i said.., i have no interest in this matter other than to show you the fallacy of your- Tired Old Anoop Chandola Story. As it is a fact your pal Anoop Chandola intentionally took advantage of a gullible western. Please see realvant issues cited regarding Swami Shantinand/ Ramji Trpathi.. a. *legal Fact* the publication of the will, which surfaced weeks after Sri BrahmanandJi's passing. Inspite of Swami Shantanand's claim-, Item #1). A fully executed will of Sri BrahmanandJi was deposited in Allhalabad on December 18, 1952. (1st paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') b. Swami Shantinand was a poor choice because of the *Legal Fact* he could not comprehend sanskrit nor the Vedas. Inspite of Swami Shantinand's claim-, He was completely qualified the hold the seat as he was literate in Sanskrit and the Vedas. (2nd paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') c. At issue was the fact that Swami Shantanand was installed in Sri BrahmanandJi's gaddi by Brahmachari Mahesh and few friends that thought the will could be credible. As, Dana Sawyer Professor of Religion and Philoshpy at Maine College of Art has pointed out. Inspite of Swami Shantinand's claim-,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's handpicked successor (Lawson's- Tired Old Anoop Chandola Story)
sparaig / Lawson English wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Lawson English wrote: As I said, you appear unable to understand what you furnish theURL for. Namaste Sir Lawson Ji, i took the libery to snip this..easy to read. i must politely take exception with your assessment of my understanding of the URL i provide. The higher court said that the lower court said that the will was valid and that SBS was of sound mind when he wrote it. Sir Lawson Ji..where did you read in the URL that SBS wrote a will? You *assume facts not in evidence*!! please see page 792 ..Before his death, he executed a will which was published on June 8, 1953.. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html He was in disposing mind when He signed the will. However that was disputed by the committee, and it was within ashram custom to nominate anyone they choose... please see page 792 ..and that in accordance with the custom and the rules of the Math, they were entitled to instal a person nominated by them as the Head of the Math... http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html Which was acceptable with both the Lower District Court, and the Supreme Court as Swami Krishnabodha Ji was a legally recognized Shankaracharya and accepted by other Mathas as well. No mention was made to the order of the will in the URL you provided. Sir Lawson Ji, i must politely inquire-*CAN YOU READ?*.. reference page 792 ..By the will, he nominated a panel of 4 persons in-order of choice indicated in the will to succeed him as head of the Math. His first choice was Swami Shantanand Saraswati, respondent No. 1. Respondent No. 1 accepted the office, He was installed as Shankaracharya of the Math on June 12, 1953.. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html As to the rest, the question now arises: who is vomptent to choose SBS's successor? SBS or the group of scholars? Sir Lawson Ji, i must politely take exception of your *Skewd Understanding* of the *FACTS* the group of scholars were the persons that set up the ashram in 1940. Please see page 792 ..In 1940, a society known as Bharat Dharma Maha - Mandal or Kashi made an effort to discover the Math and the effort proved successful. The relics of the Math were found near Badrikashram. The land on which the relics were found along with certain other property on the banks of Varuna in Kashi was acquired by the Society and thereafter the Society created an endowment of the land by a deed dated April 11, 1941 in favour of Jyotir Math and Swami Brahmanand Saraswati (Brahmanand for short), a man renowned for his piety and vedic learning was installed as the Head of the Math. Brahmanand died on May 20, 1953 http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html The fact of the matter is that THEY ignored SBS's will completely and chose someone who wasn't even listed. And, that was *COMPLETELY WITHIN ASHRAM CUSTOM* as i pointed out above! The court said that the plaintiffs said that this was within ashram custom. The court didn't rule on this either way... The court found: snip snip Namsate Sir Lawson Ji, Now that we have agreed on what the Courts have found. Can you please answer three simple questions? First please allow me to point out that is a historical fact that Ramji Tripathi aka Swami Shantinand fabricated a story and published his *Om Sri Jyotirmath*. Question #1. *Why was it nessaccary for Swami Shantanand to *LIE about his past*? Sir Lawson Ji response here.. Question #2. And, what would motivate Swami Shantinand to *LIE*?... (Although to his credit Swami Shantinand quit his charade and-, gave up this nonsense of claiming the title of Shankaracharya.) Sir Lawson Ji response here.. Question #3. If nearly every statement in Shantinand's book 'Om Sri Jyothirmath was a *LIE*, and the fact Swami Shantinand eventually gave the nonsense of claiming title of Shankarcharya, was there ever any statement made by Swami Shantinand from June 1953 to 1980 that was true? Sir Lawson Ji response here.. As, i said.., i have no interest in this matter other than to show you the fallacy of your- Tired Old Anoop Chandola Story. As it is a fact your pal Anoop Chandola intentionally took advantage of a gullible western. Please see realvant issues cited regarding Swami Shantinand/ Ramji Trpathi.. a. *legal Fact* the publication of the will, which surfaced weeks after Sri BrahmanandJi's passing. Inspite of Swami Shantanand's claim-, Item #1). A fully executed will of Sri BrahmanandJi was deposited in Allhalabad on December 18, 1952. (1st paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') b. Swami Shantinand was a poor choice because of the *Legal Fact* he could not comprehend sanskrit nor the Vedas. Inspite of Swami
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!
jim flanegin wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: jim flanegin wrote: snip Who gives a damn if he is blind or in a cabin in Holland or not in India? Well Sir Jim Ji to answer inquiry ragrding-, who gives a damn.. i am guessing Mishmashi Brahachari Mahesh does, as he tried to appease former P.M. Indira Gandhi in 1980 by-informing P.M. Gandhi- he(Mahesh) would give up his vast personal wealth if she would allow him back into India! 26 years ago- people change. Namaste Sir Jim Ji, i must politely ask.., are you certain people change? Are you exactly the same as 26 years ago? Sir Jim Ji..,this is not about me. This newsgroup is about one- Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh Prasad Varma Shristava and his (C)onfused (P)ersonal (I)deology. Also, i have from a good source (former purusha) who was aboard the plane when Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh was run out of India for the final time in 1989 that-, he(Mahesh) Bevan Morris and Greg Wilson cried like babies.., because Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh had gotten run out. That's because Bevan and Greg *are* babies. Sir Jim Ji..i must humbily remind you- those two are your future maharishis or rajas or whatever you are going to call them. Sir Jim Ji.., it maybe real soon Bevan Morris is your GuruJi. It is hearsay anyway. Agreed. The truth of His Master, the Living Embodiment of Shiva, Brahmananda Saraswati was to transcend space and time and live firmly in the timeless Infinite, surrendered to That which supports all phenomenal form, not addicted to the phenomena themselves. Sir Jim Ji, i must politely inquire-, what has that to do with Mishmashi Brahmacahri Mahesh's current situation? That is why Maharishi is his favorite disciple, surrendered to Him- He got It! Yes Sir Jim Ji..,Brahmachari Mahesh Prasad Varma got it.. run straight out of India. So what? Sir Jim Ji.., i must politely respond-, So What?. We are talking about the maharishi who claims to found the true ShankarAcharya Tradition that had been lost for years!! There is only one country on this Earth Planet that has a Shankar Acharya Tradition.., and i don't think this Tradition is in Holland. Do you? snip And, Lil Mishmashi Prasad Varma should have heeded those words as well.. because he got his butt run out of his former ashram. BTW Sir Jim Ji..since you are the ardent defender of Lil Mishmashi Prasad Varma..i must politely inquire, just what were those suspicious motivations and behavior he was up to at the time of Sri Vibhushiit Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanad Saraswati Ji Maharaj's death?? please see.. ..In fact, the earliest doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh Brahmachari)... http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html The original question which you posed, and that I've answered is the one regarding how badly Maharishi should feel because he can no longer adhere to the religious rituals you hold so dear in India. Sir Jim Ji, may i humbily remind you that Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh Prasad Varma claims-, found the long lost shankaracharya tradition which btw is full of religious rituals.. Please examine your puja for example. i do believe the tm puja was ruled a religion in New Jersey in the late 1970s...correct? Sometimes one's allegiance to one's country of birth and one's traditional religion are worth giving up in order to accomplish other, more important goals. Which are? I find it absurd that you take to task Maharishi who has indicated decades ago his desire to spiritually regenerate the world about his supposed allegiance or lack thereof to incomplete Hindu rituals. Sir Jim Ji.., his puja is full of religious rituals..,for example: candle waving, and fruit offerings, and invocation of Hindu Gods, and insence burning. Why would he care? Why does he have a puja and a shankaracharya tradition? If Guru Dev doesn't care, why would Maharishi? This dogmatic insistence on following traditions that haven't worked successfully for centuries is very puzzling to me. As if you care more about something you have learned than its practical application. Its just downright Tamasic, dude. Namaste. Namaskar All The Best Stephen Perino To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's handpicked successor (Lawson's- Tired Old Anoop Chandola Story)
sparaig wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: sparaig / Lawson English wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Lawson English wrote: As I said, you appear unable to understand what you furnish theURL for. Namaste Sir Lawson Ji, i took the libery to snip this..easy to read. i must politely take exception with your assessment of my understanding of the URL i provide. The higher court said that the lower court said that the will was valid and that SBS was of sound mind when he wrote it. Sir Lawson Ji..where did you read in the URL that SBS wrote a will? You *assume facts not in evidence*!! please see page 792 ..Before his death, he executed a will which was published on June 8, 1953.. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html He was in disposing mind when He signed the will. However that was disputed by the committee, and it was within ashram custom to nominate anyone they choose... please see page 792 ..and that in accordance with the custom and the rules of the Math, they were entitled to instal a person nominated by them as the Head of the Math... http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html Which was acceptable with both the Lower District Court, and the Supreme Court as Swami Krishnabodha Ji was a legally recognized Shankaracharya and accepted by other Mathas as well. No mention was made to the order of the will in the URL you provided. Sir Lawson Ji, i must politely inquire-*CAN YOU READ?*.. reference page 792 ..By the will, he nominated a panel of 4 persons in-order of choice indicated in the will to succeed him as head of the Math. His first choice was Swami Shantanand Saraswati, respondent No. 1. Respondent No. 1 accepted the office, He was installed as Shankaracharya of the Math on June 12, 1953.. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html As to the rest, the question now arises: who is vomptent to choose SBS's successor? SBS or the group of scholars? Sir Lawson Ji, i must politely take exception of your *Skewd Understanding* of the *FACTS* the group of scholars were the persons that set up the ashram in 1940. Please see page 792 ..In 1940, a society known as Bharat Dharma Maha - Mandal or Kashi made an effort to discover the Math and the effort proved successful. The relics of the Math were found near Badrikashram. The land on which the relics were found along with certain other property on the banks of Varuna in Kashi was acquired by the Society and thereafter the Society created an endowment of the land by a deed dated April 11, 1941 in favour of Jyotir Math and Swami Brahmanand Saraswati (Brahmanand for short), a man renowned for his piety and vedic learning was installed as the Head of the Math. Brahmanand died on May 20, 1953 http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html The fact of the matter is that THEY ignored SBS's will completely and chose someone who wasn't even listed. And, that was *COMPLETELY WITHIN ASHRAM CUSTOM* as i pointed out above! The court said that the plaintiffs said that this was within ashram custom. The court didn't rule on this either way... The court found: snip snip Namsate Sir Lawson Ji, Now that we have agreed on what the Courts have found. Can you please answer three simple questions? OK, we agree. Namaste Sir Lawson Ji, Then perhaps you would care answer three very simple questions. Or are you afraid to expose your *Blind Faith* which is now beginning to qualify as *Brainwashing*!! Or are you operating under a Delusional Belief System? Here we go again for the 3rd time! Question #1. *Why was it nessaccary for Swami Shantanand to *LIE about his past*? Sir Lawson Ji response here.. Question #2. And, what would motivate Swami Shantinand to *LIE*?... (Although to his credit Swami Shantinand quit his charade and-, gave up this nonsense of claiming the title of Shankaracharya.) Sir Lawson Ji response here.. Question #3. If nearly every statement in Shantinand's book 'Om Sri Jyothirmath was a *LIE*, and the fact Swami Shantinand eventually gave the nonsense of claiming title of Shankarcharya, was there ever any statement made by Swami Shantinand from June 1953 to 1980 that was true? Sir Lawson Ji response here.. As, i said.., i have no interest in this matter other than to show you the fallacy of your- Tired Old Anoop Chandola Story. As it is a fact your pal Anoop Chandola intentionally took advantage of a gullible western. Please see realvant issues cited regarding Swami Shantinand/ Ramji Trpathi.. a. *legal Fact
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's handpicked successor (Lawson's- Delusional Belief System)
Namaste Sir Lawson Ji, Then perhaps you would care answer three very simple questions. Or are you afraid to expose your *Blind Faith* which is now beginning to qualify as *Brainwashing*!! Or are you operating under a Delusional Belief System? Here we go again for the 3rd time! Question #1. *Why was it nessaccary for Swami Shantanand to *LIE about his past*? Sir Lawson Ji response here.. Question #2. And, what would motivate Swami Shantinand to *LIE*?... (Although to his credit Swami Shantinand quit his charade and-, gave up this nonsense of claiming the title of Shankaracharya.) Sir Lawson Ji response here.. Question #3. If nearly every statement in Shantinand's book 'Om Sri Jyothirmath was a *LIE*, and the fact Swami Shantinand eventually gave the nonsense of claiming title of Shankarcharya, was there ever any statement made by Swami Shantinand from June 1953 to 1980 that was true? Sir Lawson Ji response here.. As, i said.., i have no interest in this matter other than to show you the fallacy of your- Tired Old Anoop Chandola Story. As it is a fact your pal Anoop Chandola intentionally took advantage of a gullible western. Please see realvant issues cited regarding Swami Shantinand/ Ramji Trpathi.. a. *legal Fact* the publication of the will, which surfaced weeks after Sri BrahmanandJi's passing. Inspite of Swami Shantanand's claim-, Item #1). A fully executed will of Sri BrahmanandJi was deposited in Allhalabad on December 18, 1952. (1st paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') b. Swami Shantinand was a poor choice because of the *Legal Fact* he could not comprehend sanskrit nor the Vedas. Inspite of Swami Shantinand's claim-, He was completely qualified the hold the seat as he was literate in Sanskrit and the Vedas. (2nd paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') c. At issue was the fact that Swami Shantanand was installed in Sri BrahmanandJi's gaddi by Brahmachari Mahesh and few friends that thought the will could be credible. As, Dana Sawyer Professor of Religion and Philoshpy at Maine College of Art has pointed out. Inspite of Swami Shantinand's claim-, Item #2). He was installed in Varansi in the presence of hundreds of scholars from all over the country (2nd paragraph page 3 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') d. At issue were the suspicious behavior and motivations of Brahmachari Mahesh at about the time of Sri BrahmanandJi's passing. ..In fact, the earliest doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh Brahmachari)... http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html e. From the Kropinski interview of Oct. 1986 with the only lawfully recognized Shankaracharya of Jyosimutt. ...He said, word came to me that he (Shantinand) had requested to be allowed on the stage. I allowed him to be present only because he has given up this nonsense of claiming title to Shankaracharya... http://minet.org/Documents/shank-1 sparaig wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: sparaig / Lawson English wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Lawson English wrote: As I said, you appear unable to understand what you furnish theURL for. Namaste Sir Lawson Ji, i took the libery to snip this..easy to read. i must politely take exception with your assessment of my understanding of the URL i provide. The higher court said that the lower court said that the will was valid and that SBS was of sound mind when he wrote it. Sir Lawson Ji..where did you read in the URL that SBS wrote a will? You *assume facts not in evidence*!! please see page 792 ..Before his death, he executed a will which was published on June 8, 1953.. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html He was in disposing mind when He signed the will. However that was disputed by the committee, and it was within ashram custom to nominate anyone they choose... please see page 792 ..and that in accordance with the custom and the rules of the Math, they were entitled to instal a person nominated by them as the Head of the Math... http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html Which was acceptable with both the Lower District Court, and the Supreme Court as Swami Krishnabodha Ji was a legally recognized Shankaracharya and accepted by other Mathas as well. No mention was made to the order of the will in the URL you provided. Sir Lawson Ji, i must politely inquire-*CAN YOU READ?*.. reference page 792 ..By the will, he nominated a panel of 4 persons in-order of choice indicated in the will to succeed him as head of the Math. His first choice was Swami Shantanand Saraswati, respondent No. 1. Respondent No. 1 accepted the office, He was installed as Shankaracharya of the Math on June 12, 1953
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?
Mike Hutchinson wrote: ColdBlueIce, you come accross as so arrogant Namaste Sir Mike Ji I must politely take excetion with your comment regarding,- you come accross as so arrogant. Simply because Vaj Ji posted spurious claims regarding a Goddess that simply can't be found. And i simply inquired where his information could be found. And then Vaj Ji claims that this *Unfound Goddess* is some how involved in a cult that Adi Shankara founded, and is allegdly practised in Adi Shankar's mutts. And, then Vaj Ji confused Buddhist / tantra contemplation practises of staring at yantras / mandalas with the Bhakti of Devi Tripurasundari at Kanchi Mutt. So i politely informed VajJi of the facts... The two- Sri Chakra and sri yantra are not inter-related as in the way Vaj Ji has suggested. Then i was kind enough to politely inform Vaj ji where he may find a living disciple (108 Swami Vishva HiteshJi Maharaj) of Sri Swami BrahmanandJi Sarasawti (refered here at ffl as Guru Dev). I don't think you would be privy to any inner teachings, Most respectfully Sir Mike, there are no inner teachings anywhere. So i don't think the 3 of us.., you me and Vaj Ji would be privy to them.., as they simply don't exist. i am guessing here but the *Mistaken Subject* VajJi is *attempting* to write of is(i think)- *Guru Kripa*(or grace of the GuruJi). Often times called inner teachings by us confused westerners. Perhaps is was some of the first 19th century westerners that visited Ramakrishna Paramahan's ashram that recieved his blessing/Kripa that coined the term inner teachings. Fro example Annie Beasant and her Theosphy teaching. Or, maybe it was some westerners trying to make $$$.$$ off an non- existant concept. The Guru Kripa is not an inner teaching. The process of Devotion/Bhakti is started by the *personal* Kripa/grace of a true GuruJi(as Ramakrishna Paramahans and Sri BrahmanandJi was). The practise of Bhakti is *the same everywhere in India* the only difference is the chosen from of- Ishta Devata or Sakar Brahma or Divien Personal Form of God. The Bhakti is- Puja(Arti) and Homage(prayer) and RoopDhyana (Heartfelt loving-rememberance of Divine Personal Form of God as i said before. For Sri Adi Shankar it was Govinda(Sri Krishna) that is whay He composed 'Bhajo Govindam' (if you don't believe me the *google* it). In the Kanchi mutt it is Devi Tripurasundari. For Sri Ramakrishna Paramahans it was Devi Kali. For Sri Swami BrahmanandJi Saraswati its was- ??.. i asked and i was told it was a devotional secret. But from other eyewitness accounts that attended His satsangs it was said-, He was once sighted silently mouthing Om Namah Shiviya that according to Paul Mason (PremanandJi) who has intvestigated the matter. Now Om Namah Shiviya is as you are no doubt aware related to worship to God Shiva. Now if Vaj Ji(or you) wants to find a true GuruJi and recieve His grace/Kripa who btw is said to have Sri BrahmanandJi's praksha(Light) then i may politely suggest finding 108 Swami Vishva HiteshJi Maharaj in Corona, New York. All the Best Pranams Stephen Perino [EMAIL PROTECTED] the space where they would go is already filled with ego it would appear --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- rmy108 rmy108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman no_reply@ wrote: Vaj wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj wrote: Samaya Sri Vidya does not require any externally obvious signs. Namaste Vaj Ji, Please tell me what exactly are the signs of Sri Vidya? External ritual. Namaste Vaj ji Please tell me of this external ritual? For example puja? Samaya practice is internal (i.e. you might not necessarily see such a practitioner doing anything obvious externally). Please tell me is this samaya the same tm-samya? Not finding a secret practice on a web site is no indication that it is not practiced, nor should we be surprised it is not practiced everywhere. Maybe, but you insisted Sri Vidya was practised by Adi Shankara and at His established mutts. You might want to look at what I did originally say: Ok. Sri Rajareshsvari is a form of the Goddess worshipped in Sri Vidya and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas. A very old pagan and tantric Goddess. i must politely take exception with your statement. As when i *google* your Rajareshsvari name i come with nothing!! However if i *google* the name i told you- Tripurasundari i come with 16,000 sites related to Devi Tripurasundari http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=tripurasundari Results 1 - 10 of about 16,000 for tripurasundari. (0.58 seconds
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's handpicked successor (Lawson's- Tired Old Anoop Chandola Story)
sparaig spare egg/ Lawson English wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: sparaig sparaig/Lawson English wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: sparaig spare egg/Lawson English wrote: Y'know, maybe I can't read the stilted language of the Indian Courts properly, or maybe I simply can't understand your points (or both), Namaste Sir Lawson, Then please allow to clarify, and give you the gest of the tired Old Anoop Chandola Story, and the fabrications of truth contained in Swami Shantanand's book -'Om Sri Jyothirmath'. First of all: (1) Regarding the will of Sri BrahmanandJi. None of the civil lawsuits were framed around the vaildity of the will. ..Thus, none of the civil suits in this dispute seems to have been framed in terms of contesting the legal bona fides of Brahmananda's will... http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html snip As I said, one of us is misreading what the court has said... As I quoted to you twice from the higher court's summary, the lower court found that the willl was valid... O well... Namaste Sir Lawson, The validity of the will means exactly this.. there were five names on a piece of paper that was *Published after Sri BrahmanandJi passed away*..,that is an *Undisputed Legal Fact* by the Lower Court and Supreme Court and by both parties-, the Resondent/Ramji Tripathi-Shantinand, and the Plaintiffs. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html The plaintiffs in the court case suggested to the court the order had been reversed, as Swami Shantinand was the last choice and the poorest choice..,as it was *Factually Established* Shantinand/Ramji Tripathi could not comprehend nor read sanskrit http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html and - http:// www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20687.html That being said lets, look again at the *Facts* that Sir LawsonJi continues to ignore(as that is afforded by *Blind Faith*). It is a Historical Fact that Ramji Tripathi aka Swami Shantinand fabricated a story and published his *Om Sri Jyotirmath*. Now my question to you- Sir Lawson Ji is.. *Why was it nessaccary for Swami Shantanand to LIE about his past*??.. And, what would motivate Swami Shantinand to *LIE*?... (Although to his credit Swami Shantinand quit his charade and-, gave up this nonsense of claiming the title of Shankaracharya.) Herewith are the *lIES* (and the facts you ignore).. a. *legal Fact* the publication of the will, which surfaced weeks after Sri BrahmanandJi's passing. Inspite of Swami Shantanand's claim-, Item #1). A fully executed will of Sri BrahmanandJi was deposited in Allhalabad on December 18, 1952. (1st paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') b. Swami Shantinand was a poor choice because of the *Legal Fact* he could not comprehend sanskrit nor the Vedas. Inspite of Swami Shantinand's claim-, He was completely qualified the hold the seat as he was literate in Sanskrit and the Vedas. (2nd paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') c. At issue was the fact that Swami Shantanand was installed in Sri BrahmanandJi's gaddi by Brahmachari Mahesh and few friends that thought the will could be credible. As, Dana Sawyer Professor of Religion and Philoshpy at Maine College of Art has pointed out. Inspite of Swami Shantinand's claim-, Item #2). He was installed in Varansi in the presence of hundreds of scholars from all over the country (2nd paragraph page 3 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') d. At issue were the suspicious behavior and motivations of Brahmachari Mahesh at about the time of Sri BrahmanandJi's passing. ..In fact, the earliest doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh Brahmachari)... http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html e. From the Kropinski interview of Oct. 1986 with the *ONLY LEGIMATE LEGALLY RECOGNIZED* Shankaracharya of Jyosimutt. ...He said, word came to me that he (Shantinand) had requested to be allowed on the stage. I allowed him to be present only because he has given up this nonsense of claiming title to Shankaracharya. He said Vishnu Devanand, Mahesh's so-called Shankaracharya, was also here in Vrindaban, he also requested to come onto the stage, but I refused. Then, he (Vishnu Devanand) stated he would sit on a lower, undecorated seat if I allowed him to attend. I refused him. Then, he again begged to simply sit on the floor of the stage at my feet, if I allowed him to be publicly present. Again I refused. He said, if I allow him to be seen with me, and all the while wrongfully claiming title as Shankaracharya, it will appear as if I approve of his activity, and I do not. Therefore, he said, I have ordered that he may not even come into the tent to sit in the audience http
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?
TurquoiseB wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Mike Hutchinson wrote: ColdBlueIce, you come accross as so arrogant Namaste Sir Mike Ji I must politely take excetion with your comment regarding,- you come accross as so arrogant. Simply because Vaj Ji posted spurious claims regarding a Goddess that simply can't be found. And is some how involved in a cult that Adi Shankara founded, and is allegdly practised in Adi Shankar's mutts. And, then Vaj Ji confused Buddhist / tantra contemplation practises of staring at yantras / mandalas with the Bhakti of Devi Tripurasundari at Kanchi Mutt. So i politely informed VajJi of the facts... The two- Sri Chakra and sri yantra are not inter-related as in the way Vaj Ji has suggested. Then i was kind enough to politely informed Vaj ji where he may find a living disciple (108 Swami Vishva HiteshJi Maharaj) of Sri Swami BrahmanandJi Sarasawti (refered here at ffl as Guru Dev). I don't think you would be privy to any inner teachings, Most respectfully Sir Mike, there are no inner teachings anywhere. So i don't think the 3 of us.., you me and Vaj Ji would be privy to them.., as they simply don't exist. i am guessing here but the *Mistaken Subject* VajJi is *attempting* to write of is(i think) - *Guru Kripa*(or grace of the GuruJi). Often times called inner teachings by us confused westerners. Perhaps is was some of the first 19th century westerners that visited Ramakrishna Paramahan's ashram that recieved his blessing/Kripa that coined the term inner teachings. For example Annie Beasant and her Theosphy teaching. Or, maybe it was some westerners trying to make $$$.$$ off an non-existant concept. The Guru Kripa is not an inner teaching. The process of Devotion/Bhakti is started by the *personal* Kripa/grace of a true GuruJi (as Ramakrishna Paramahans and Sri BrahmanandJi was). The practise of Bhakti is *the same everywhere in India* the only difference is the chosen from of- Ishta Devata or Sakar Brahma or Divine Personal Form of God. The Bhakti is- Puja(Arti) and Homage(prayer) and RoopDhyana (Heartfelt loving-rememberance of Divine Personal Form of God) as i said before. For Sri Adi Shankar it was Govinda(Sri Krishna) that is whay He composed 'Bhajo Govindam' (if you don't believe me the *google* it). In the Kanchi mutt it is Devi Tripurasundari. For Sri Ramakrishna Paramahans it was Devi Kali. For Sri Swami BrahmanandJi Saraswati its was-??. i asked, and i was told it was a devotional secret. But from other eyewitness accounts that attended His satsangs it was said-, He was once sighted silently mouthing Om Namah Shiviya that according to Paul Mason (PremanandJi) who has intvestigated the matter. Now Om Namah Shiviya is as you are no doubt aware related to worship of God Shiva. Now if Vaj Ji(or you) wants to find a true GuruJi and recieve His grace/Kripa who btw is said to have Sri BrahmanandJi's praksha(Light) then i may politely suggest finding 108 Swami Vishva HiteshJi Maharaj in Corona, New York. All the Best Pranams Stephen Perino [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that what Mike might have been hinting at was that it's not really the *details* of the nitpicking that's arrogant, but the mere fact that two grown men would get down and dirty playing the my secret and esoteric information is better than your secret and esoteric information game. Namaste TurquoiseB Ji, i must politley take exception to your statement. The facts that i was presenting proves there is not any such thing as you suggest-, my secret and esoteric information is better than your secret and esoteric information. There is *NOT* any secret estoteric information. If there is a secret then there is someone trying to $ell you something : ). For example Brahmachari Mahesh $elling mantras, and that is what got him run out of India in the place..., make sense?? All in all, pulling out a tape measure and comparing dicks would be a lot more subtle... :-) Ok, it's a *given* that most on-the-program TMers don't know a whole heckuva lot about the real roots of their belief system. Agreed. But hearing two people argue about whose version of those roots is right is *just* as boring as hearing the TBs rant about how the version they were told by Maharishi is right. Basically it's a jackoff contest, and in this particular instance, Vaj has been pretty restrained and has kept his dick in his pants. You're the one who seems to have his ego all involved in being right. It is not a matter of being right. Its a matter of Vaj ji mis- representing Adi Shankar's teaching. Which did not involve staring at yantras. Just a hint. You're coming across *remarkably* like Judy, only quoting different authorities in your quest to be right. i am deeply sorry.., i thought Vaj Ji was quoting
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?
Vaj wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj wrote: Samaya Sri Vidya does not require any externally obvious signs. Namaste Vaj Ji, Please tell me what exactly are the signs of Sri Vidya? External ritual. Namaste Vaj ji Please tell me of this external ritual? For example puja? Samaya practice is internal (i.e. you might not necessarily see such a practitioner doing anything obvious externally). Please tell me is this samaya the same tm-samya? There are different ways of classifying tantric practice. In one of these ways-of-seeing, samaya tantra is internal tantric practice, not relying on external ritual but rather an internal practice. Namaste Sir Vaj Ji, I humbily request your *Source* of your samaya Tantra?? And, are you sure you are not mis-spelling samaya? i think there is supposed to be another m in there..,samayma.. maybe? For a great example, see Shankara's tantric works like Saundaryalahari--but as I indicated before, not everyone accepts Shankara as the author... Good point Sir, as no one in Kanchi Mutt(your- southern seat) *ever* claimed Sri Adi Shankar ever wrote any tantric works. And, that comes straight from the source.., at Kanchi Mutt. Not finding a secret practice on a web site is no indication that it is not practiced, nor should we be surprised it is not practiced everywhere. Maybe, but you insisted Sri Vidya was practised by Adi Shankara and at His established mutts. You might want to look at what I did originally say: Ok. Sri Rajareshsvari is a form of the Goddess worshipped in Sri Vidya and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas. A very old pagan and tantric Goddess. i must politely take exception with your statement. As when i *google* your Rajareshsvari name i come up with nothing!! However if i *google* the name i told you- Tripurasundari i come up with 16,000 sites related to Devi Tripurasundari http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=tripurasundari Results 1 - 10 of about 16,000 for tripurasundari. (0.58 seconds Try the transliteration Rajarajeswari. Ok..i did and you know what?.. She is same Devi Tripurasundari!! And, She did in fact recieve earrings as a gift from Sri Adi Shankar. And, the earrings gifted by Sri Adi to Devi Lalita Tripurasundari Rajeshwari were knwon as Sri Chakra!! It's not Her only name, she has many names. Correct It seemed such common knowledge, I assumed you would've known. You mis-spelled it. It has a long association with these traditions, esp. the southern seat. I gave you the link to the southern seat here it is again. Why not email the southern seat directly and ask them if the Shankaracharya there at Kanchi worships a sri yantra'?? 5). Kanchi mutt- here is the link go see if this mutt engages in worship of Sri Yantra http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html I'm guessing what's confusing you is that they refer to it as a Sri Chakra. FYI this is synonymous with Sri Yantra. No Sir. As i pointed out to you before.., when Adi Shankara presented gifts to Devi Tripurasundari at the temple in Kanchi. He gave Her earrings as gifts the earrings were called Sri Chakra. Please check the wedsite i provided for the Southern Seat. http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html The worship(or devotion/bhakti) of Sri Devi Tripurasundari is related to Sri Chakra, and practrised in the Kanchi mutt. The devotion/bahkti done to Sri Tripurasundari involves puja(or Arti) and homage(or prayer) and RoopDhyana (or rememberance of Her divine form) and does not involve secret rituals. The sri yantra are mandalas painted on concrete or stone or paper or made with sand-(as in the Tibetan Buddhist practice of sand mandalas) and involve a mental concentration on a yantra. It's certainly one way. Most politely Sir Vaj Ji, is your tantric samaya another way? Perhaps you might want to look at the description of what Adi Shankara carved into the rock there (at the Sharada temple site) Where? and what Vidyaranya installed at numerous other places. BTW, just a casual glance at itineraries shows participation in Sri Vidya rituals. Please- *Specifically Identify from those itineraries which are sri yanta rituals? I want to know what you are calling sri yantra rituals. I think you're just playing games. I think you are playing games, and attempting to get me stare at *VERY Artistic Mandalas* that my lovely wife paints on concrete for celebrations at our local Hindu temple. Are those mandalas my wife paints part of some sri yantra ritual? Maybe you should ask her? Well on occassion i assist her, as some are very large. However when the- frequent So. Indian visitors(some are pundits from the Sri Meenakshi Temple) come
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?
rmy108 wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: snip snip snip snip How can I meet this Swami Vishva Hiteshji Maharaj In New York? I am there right now! VISHVA SEVA ASHRAM; 104-38 Corona Avenue, Corona, New York 11368 Or telephone 718.271.5423 Very Best Regards Pranams To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmastan is so cool! (Lawwon's- Old Anoop Chandola Story)
sparaig spare egg/Lawson English wrote: Y'know, maybe I can't read the stilted language of the Indian Courts properly, or maybe I simply can't understand your points (or both), Namaste Sir Lawson, Then please allow to clarify, and give you the gest of the tired Old Anoop Chandola Story, and the fabrications of truth contained in Swami Shantanand's book -'Om Sri Jyothirmath'. First of all: (1) Regarding the will of Sri BrahmanandJi. None of the civil lawsuits were framed around the vaildity of the will. ..Thus, none of the civil suits in this dispute seems to have been framed in terms of contesting the legal bona fides of Brahmananda's will... http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html The original lawsuit was brought by the founding trust of ashram the- Bharata Dharma Mahamandala in Swami Paratmanand's name disputing Shantanand's fitness to hold the seat, and mal- adminstration of the ashram trust. The side issues as the court stated-, particulars as regards the defect in the machinery for administration which had crept in under custom or rules which required rectification, were somewhat addressed. The court ruled that Swami Shantinand could not in fact understand Sanskrit language. And, this is not a secular issue as you tried to point out. As, the sanskrit language was used outside of the religious connation you suggested so this issue was decided by the court. Apparent to the court Swami Shantinand lacked demonstrable skill of sanskrit language ruled as such. And, the Court upheld the assertions of the Bharata Dharma Mahamandala. However, by the *extensive current research* by Dana Sawyer Profeesor of Religion and Philoshpy at Maine College of Art and Vidyasankar Sundaresan at issue was- the fact Sri BrahmanandJi never clearly indicated his successor. This fact was based upon few issues and *Legal Facts*- a. *legal Fact* the publication of the will, which surfaced weeks after Sri BrahmanandJi's passing. Inspite of Swami Shantand's claim-, Item #1). A fully executed will of Sri BrahmanandJi was deposited in Allhalabad on December 18, 1952. (1st paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') b. Swami Shantanand was a poor choice because of the *Legal Fact* he could not comprehend sanskrit nor the Vedas. Inspite of Swami Shantand's claim-, He was completely qualified the hold the seat as he was literate in Sanskrit and the Vedas. (2nd paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') c. At issue was the fact that Swami Shantanand was installed in Sri BrahmanandJi's gaddi by Brahmachari Mahesh and few friends that thought the will could be credible. As, Dana Sawyer Profeesor of Religion and Philoshpy at Maine College of Art has pointed out. Inspite of Swami Shantand's claim-, Item #2). He was installed in Varansi in the presence of hundreds of scholars from all over the country (2nd paragraph page 3 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') d. At issue were the suspicious behavior and motivations of Brahmachari Mahesh at about the time of Sri BrahmanandJi's passing. ..In fact, the earliest doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh Brahmachari)... http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html but it seems to ME that you're arguing something that isn't supported by what the court actually SAID as I quoted at the bottom of this article... The court did not rule on the question of the validity of the will that is your mis-understanding. ..Thus, none of the civil suits in this dispute seems to have been framed in terms of contesting the legal bona fides of Brahmananda's will... http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html coldbluiceman wrote: sparaig spare egg/ Lawson English wrote: coldbluiceman sperino wrote: sparaig spare egg / Lawson English wrote: Jeffrey wrote: snip Namaste Lawson Ji, The same tired *OLD ANOOP CHANDOLA STORY* you rely so very heavily upon. It truly is something that after 35 years.., all you have is just one conversation with Anoop Chanodla that has shaped your entire *Belief System* which soley based on Anoop Chandola's spuroius claims. That is truly sad! The Anoop Chandola Story has been dis-proven by court documents and yet you ignore them! The spurious claims made by Anoop Chandola regarding-, Guru Dev's hand-picked successor are easily disproven Lawson. Simply by a review of historical facts of two items.., thereby nullifing your arguement of the legitmacy of Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh. As you entire *Blind Faith Belief System* is based upon the supposed relationship of- Shantinanda / Mahesh to Sri BrahmanandJi. It is a fact that Swami Shantinanda made false claims in his book- 'Shri
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?
Vaj wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj wrote: Samaya Sri Vidya does not require any externally obvious signs. Namaste Vaj Ji, Please tell me what exactly are the signs of Sri Vidya? External ritual. Namaste Vaj ji Please tell me of this external ritual? For example puja? Samaya practice is internal (i.e. you might not necessarily see such a practitioner doing anything obvious externally). Please tell me is this samaya the same tm-samya? Not finding a secret practice on a web site is no indication that it is not practiced, nor should we be surprised it is not practiced everywhere. Maybe, but you insisted Sri Vidya was practised by Adi Shankara and at His established mutts. You might want to look at what I did originally say: Ok. Sri Rajareshsvari is a form of the Goddess worshipped in Sri Vidya and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas. A very old pagan and tantric Goddess. i must politely take exception with your statement. As when i *google* your Rajareshsvari name i come with nothing!! However if i *google* the name i told you- Tripurasundari i come with 16,000 sites related to Devi Tripurasundari http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=tripurasundari Results 1 - 10 of about 16,000 for tripurasundari. (0.58 seconds It has a long association with these traditions, esp. the southern seat. I gave you the link to the southern seat here it is again. Why not email the southern seat directly and ask them if the Shankaracharya there at Kanchi worships a sri yantra'?? 5). Kanchi mutt- here is the link go see if this mutt engages in worship of Sri Yantra http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html I'm guessing what's confusing you is that they refer to it as a Sri Chakra. FYI this is synonymous with Sri Yantra. No Sir. As i pointed out to you before.., when Adi Shankara presented gifts to Devi Tripurasundari at the temple in Kanchi. He gave Her earrings as gifts the earrings were called Sri Chakra. Please check the wedsite i provided for the Southern Seat. http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html The worship(or devotion/bhakti) of Sri Devi Tripurasundari is related to Sri Chakra, and practrised in the Kanchi mutt. The devotion/bahkti done to Sri Tripurasundari involves puja(or Arti) and homage(or prayer) and RoopDhyana(or rememberance of Her divine form) and does not involve secret rituals. The sri yantra are mandalas painted on concrete or stone or paper or made with sand-(as in the Tibetan Buddhist practice of sand mandalas) and involve a mental concentration on a yantra. Perhaps you might want to look at the description of what Adi Shankara carved into the rock there (at the Sharada temple site) Where? and what Vidyaranya installed at numerous other places. BTW, just a casual glance at itineraries shows participation in Sri Vidya rituals. Please- *Specifically Identify from those itineraries which are sri yanta rituals? I want to know what you are calling sri yantra rituals. I think you're just playing games. I think you are playing games, and attempting to get me stare at *VERY Artistic Mandalas* that my lovely wife paints on concrete for celebrations at our local Hindu temple. Are those mandalas my wife paints part of some sri yantra ritual? Maybe you should ask her? Well on occassion i assist her, as some are very large. However when the- frequent So. Indian visitors(some are pundits from the Sri Meenakshi) come to our temple they view her painted mandalas. While they comment on the significance of her manadals, they never ascribe any sort of worship to them! Just what FFL needed--another game player. Excuse me if you are actually ignorant in this area, Sir Vaj Ji, I am not ignorant. I just don't by into your whole-, tantric / shankaracharya / sri yantra secret rituals thing. I have been to 2 Shankaracharyas(1 north 1 south) and 2 living disciples of Sri BrahmanandJi Maharaj and 1 Jagadguru Acharya (my spiritual master). And, in 20 years i never heard of any secret teaching of sri yantra!!..i assure you I am not ignorant in these areas. LOL, what makes you think you'd hear of a secret teaching? LOL, What makes you think they are secret teachings?.. i can find sri yantra worship on the internet right now!! Even SBS sent ripe students elsewhere for inner instruction in Sri Vidya. Where did you find this information? I have spoken to 3 living disciples of Sri Brahmanandji-(SBS) and none of them said anything like what you claim. In fact if your are on the east coast- New York, New York you can look up a living disciple yourself- H.H. 108 Swami Vishva Hiteshji Maharaj. Its just these areas of yours are highly speculative. but it sure seems like game-playing to me! Pranams Vaj ji Most politely, it sure seems like you are a *Poser* / wannabe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmastan is so cool! (Lawson's- Old Anoop Chandola Story)
sparaig sparaig/Lawson English wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: sparaig spare egg/Lawson English wrote: Y'know, maybe I can't read the stilted language of the Indian Courts properly, or maybe I simply can't understand your points (or both), Namaste Sir Lawson, Then please allow to clarify, and give you the gest of the tired Old Anoop Chandola Story, and the fabrications of truth contained in Swami Shantanand's book -'Om Sri Jyothirmath'. First of all: (1) Regarding the will of Sri BrahmanandJi. None of the civil lawsuits were framed around the vaildity of the will. ..Thus, none of the civil suits in this dispute seems to have been framed in terms of contesting the legal bona fides of Brahmananda's will... http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html snip As I said, one of us is misreading what the court has said... Namaste Sir Lawson Only you. is mis-reading what the court said. It really does not matter to me at all! Because, soon Brahmachari Mahesh will die in exile in Holland, and Shantanand is already dead. And, all you will have is a story Anoop Chandola told you 35 years ago which will be as irrealvant then, as it is now. It is irrealvant as Professor Dana Sawyer pointed out to you-, the war is over and Sri Swami Swaroopanand owns the title at Jyotirmath. in case you are interested this is what i said (which you will ignore..again. But *Blind Faith* allows that sort of thing).. ..The court ruled that Swami Shantinand could not in fact understand Sanskrit language. And, this is not a secular issue as you tried to point out. As, the sanskrit language was used outside of the religious connation you suggested so this issue was decided by the court. Apparent to the court Swami Shantinand lacked demonstrable skill of sanskrit language ruled as such. And, the Court upheld the assertions of the Bharata Dharma Mahamandala. However, by the *extensive current research* by Dana Sawyer Profeesor of Religion and Philoshpy at Maine College of Art and Vidyasankar Sundaresan at issue was- the fact Sri BrahmanandJi never clearly indicated his successor. This fact was based upon few issues and *Legal Facts*- a. *legal Fact* the publication of the will, which surfaced weeks after Sri BrahmanandJi's passing. Inspite of Swami Shantand's claim-, Item #1). A fully executed will of Sri BrahmanandJi was deposited in Allhalabad on December 18, 1952. (1st paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') b. Swami Shantanand was a poor choice because of the *Legal Fact* he could not comprehend sanskrit nor the Vedas. Inspite of Swami Shantand's claim-, He was completely qualified the hold the seat as he was literate in Sanskrit and the Vedas. (2nd paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') c. At issue was the fact that Swami Shantanand was installed in Sri BrahmanandJi's gaddi by Brahmachari Mahesh and few friends that thought the will could be credible. As, Dana Sawyer Profeesor of Religion and Philoshpy at Maine College of Art has pointed out. Inspite of Swami Shantand's claim-, Item #2). He was installed in Varansi in the presence of hundreds of scholars from all over the country (2nd paragraph page 3 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath') d. At issue were the suspicious behavior and motivations of Brahmachari Mahesh at about the time of Sri BrahmanandJi's passing. ..In fact, the earliest doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh Brahmachari)... http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmastan is so cool! ( Those Shristavas sure have a big house! )
sparaig spare egg / Lawson English wrote: Jeffrey initiate22000@ wrote: HOw could Maharishi be run out of India? Did he commit a crime? snip Namaste Lawson Ji, The same tired *OLD ANOOP CHANDOLA STORY* you rely so very heavily upon. It truly is something that after 35 years.., all you have is just one conversation with Anoop Chanodla that has shaped your entire *Belief System* which soley based on Anoop Chandola's spuroius claims. That is truly sad! The Anoop Chandola Story has been dis-proven by court documents and yet you ignore them! The spurious claims made by Anoop Chandola regarding-, Guru Dev's hand-picked successor are easily disproven Lawson. Simply by a review of historical facts of two items.., thereby nullifing your arguement of the legitmacy of Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh. As you entire *Blind Faith Belief System* is based upon the supposed relationship of- Shantinanda / Mahesh to Sri BrahmanandJi. It is a fact that Swami Shantinanda made false claims in his book- 'Shri Jyothirmath' for example.. Item #1). A fully executed will of Sri BrahmanandJi was deposited in Allhalabad on December 18, 1952. (1st paragraph page 2 of 'Sri Jyothirmath) Item #2). He was installed in Varansi in the presence of hundreds of scholars from all over the country (2nd paragraph page 3). With regards to Item #1 (above)a claim made by Swami Shantinand, it is a *LEGAL FACT* the will of Sri BrahmanandJi was not executed until shortly before His death in mid-May 1953. Which refutes the lies Shantinand made in his book. Here is the link to the Supreme Court of India with the case www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html With regards to Item #2 (above)a claim made Swami Shantinand, it has been confirmed by- Professor Mr. Dana Sawyer of Maine College of Arts that-, Swami Shantinanda was installed in Allhalabd by Brahmachari Mahesh and a few friends who thought the will could be credible. These are eyewitness accounts and ashram records that dispell the lies of Swami Shantinand that Professor Dana Sawyer has reviewed. Here is the link to Mr. Sawyer's article.. ...'The Rivalry for Jyotir Math' by Dana Sawyer http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20687.html Why not email Mr. Sawyer directly Lawson and ask exactly the historical circumstance that surrounded the installation of Swami Shanitnand at Jyothirmath on June 12, 1953? Or *ARE YOU TO AFRAID TO FIND THE TRUTH*? But yet you insist there are hindu temples in China, and that I provide you links URLs to Allhalabad District Court for a document search and other links!! Why should I Lawson?.. when you will not accept the simple truth regarding your beloved Anoop Chandla Story?.. which has been completely disproven. Anoop Chondola went to the same university he did. Yea sure Anoop Chandola right Lawson.., keep hanging onto that story as that is all you have. Pranams Stephen Perino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send me an email..I will send you the links.. Their alumnae newspaper is always running stories about MMY's successes with his schools. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?
Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cardemaister wrote: authfriend judy stein wrote: shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: snip Snip Well, raajeshvara (raaja + iishvara?) means according to MW, 'lord of kings'. I guess raajeshvarii is the feminine form of that word. I have no idea what the reduplication of raaja could mean. Sri Rajareshsvari is a form of the Goddess Namaste Vaj Ji, I must politley take exception with your comments, are saying Sri Rasheshwari or Sri Rageshwari? As, both are the same name for on Devi / Goddess. worshipped in Sri Vidya and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas. Please find me *ONE SINGLE SHANKARACHARYA* that worships a Sri Vidya from the website of a living *Legimate* Shankaracharya in any of the mutts / maths. A very old pagan and tantric Goddess. Stop making this crap up.., would you please. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmastan is so cool! ( Those Shristavas sure have a big house! )
coldbluiceman wrote: sparaig spare egg / Lawson English wrote: Jeffrey initiate22000@ wrote: HOw could Maharishi be run out of India? Did he commit a crime? snip Namaste Lawson Ji, The same tired *OLD ANOOP CHANDOLA STORY* you rely so very heavily upon. It truly is something that after 35 years.., all you have is just one conversation with Anoop Chanodla that has shaped your entire *Belief System* which soley based on Anoop Chandola's spuroius claims. That is truly sad! The Anoop Chandola Story has been dis-proven by court documents and yet you ignore them! The spurious claims made by Anoop Chandola regarding-, Guru Dev's hand-picked successor are easily disproven Lawson. Simply by a review of historical facts of two items.., thereby nullifing your arguement of the legitmacy of Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh. As you entire *Blind Faith Belief System* is based upon the supposed relationship of- Shantinanda / Mahesh to Sri BrahmanandJi. It is a fact that Swami Shantinanda made false claims in his book- 'Shri Jyothirmath' for example.. Item #1). A fully executed will of Sri BrahmanandJi was deposited in Allhalabad on December 18, 1952. (1st paragraph page 2 of 'Sri Jyothirmath) Item #2). He was installed in Varansi in the presence of hundreds of scholars from all over the country (2nd paragraph page 3). With regards to Item #1 (above)a claim made by Swami Shantinand, it is a *LEGAL FACT* the will of Sri BrahmanandJi was not executed until shortly before His death in mid-May 1953. Which refutes the lies Shantinand made in his book. Here is the link to the Supreme Court of India with the case www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html With regards to Item #2 (above)a claim made Swami Shantinand, it has been confirmed by- Professor Mr. Dana Sawyer of Maine College of Arts that-, Swami Shantinanda was installed in Allhalabd by Brahmachari Mahesh and a few friends who thought the will could be credible. These are eyewitness accounts and ashram records that dispell the lies of Swami Shantinand that Professor Dana Sawyer has reviewed. Here is the link to Mr. Sawyer's article.. ...'The Rivalry for Jyotir Math' by Dana Sawyer http://www.mail- archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20687.html Why not email Mr. Sawyer directly Lawson and ask exactly the historical circumstance that surrounded the installation of Swami Shanitnand at Jyothirmath (Should read Swami Shantinand of Jyothirmath.., not at). on June 12, 1953? Or *ARE YOU TO AFRAID TO FIND THE TRUTH*? But yet you insist there are hindu temples in China, and that I provide you links URLs to Allhalabad District Court for a document search and other links!! Why should I Lawson?.. when you will not accept the simple truth regarding your beloved Anoop Chandola Story?.. which has been completely disproven. Anoop Chondola went to the same university he did. Yea sure Anoop Chandola right Lawson.., keep hanging onto that story as that is all you have. Pranams Stephen Perino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send me an email..I will send you the links.. Their alumnae newspaper is always running stories about MMY's successes with his schools. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?
Vaj vaj ranatha wrote: cardemaister wrote: authfriend judy stein@ wrote: shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: snip Say more. Women being crowned as Rajas? Well, raajeshvara (raaja + iishvara?) means according to MW, 'lord of kings'. I guess raajeshvarii is the feminine form of that word. I have no idea what the reduplication of raaja could mean. Sri Rajareshsvari is a form of the Goddess worshipped in Sri Vidya and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas. Namaste Vaj Ji, In case you are intersted in the facts.. Sri Adi Shankara while at His origianl mutt at Kanchi, one day presented a gift of earrings to the Temple Diety- Devi Sri Tripurasundari. The earrings are the Sri Yantra itself and the mantras are inscribed uopn those earrings, that were presented by Adi Shankara to the Devi Tripurasundari. The Goddess / Devi Tripurasundari that Adi Shankara presented His gift to was His Divine Beloved at that particular temple in Kanchi. But Adi Shankar's true Divine Beloved Bhagawan was Him to whom He wrote- 'Bhajo Govindam'... A very old pagan and tantric Goddess. No I don't think so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?
Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: cardemaister wrote: authfriend judy stein wrote: shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: snip Snip snip Sri Rajareshsvari is a form of the Goddess Namaste Vaj Ji, I must politley take exception with your comments, are saying Sri Rasheshwari or Sri Rageshwari? As, both are the same name for one Devi / Goddess. Neither. Namaste Vaj Ji, I most politely in case you are intersted in the facts.. Sri Adi Shankara while at His origianl mutt at Kanchi, one day presented a gift of earrings to the Temple Diety- Devi Sri Tripurasundari. The earrings are the Sri Yantra itself and the mantras are inscribed uopn those earrings, that were presented by Adi Shankara to the Devi Tripurasundari. The Goddess / Devi Lalita Tripurasundari that Adi Shankara presented His gift to was His Divine Beloved at that particular temple in Kanchi. But Adi Shankar's true Divine Beloved Bhagawan was Him-Govinda to whom He-Adi Shankar wrote- 'Bhajo Govindam'... worshipped in Sri Vidya and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas. Please find me *ONE SINGLE SHANKARACHARYA* that worships a Sri Vidya from the website of a living *Legimate* Shankaracharya in any of the mutts / maths. Why? The practice of Sri Vidya in the Shank. tradition goes back to Shankara himself and is continued up to the present. No it does not. Please find ONE SINGLE SHANKARACHARYA* that worships a Sri Vidya from the website of a living *Legimate* Shankaracharya in any of the mutts / maths. A very old pagan and tantric Goddess. Stop making this crap up.., would you please. Just the facts. Sri Rajarajewari is a form of Lalita. ..just (*deeply ocnfused*) facys..and Her full name is Devi Lalita Tripurasundari. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?
Vaj wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: cardemaister wrote: authfriend judy stein wrote: shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: snip Snip snip Sri Rajareshsvari is a form of the Goddess Namaste Vaj Ji, I must politley take exception with your comments, are saying Sri Rasheshwari or Sri Rageshwari? As, both are the same name for one Devi / Goddess. Neither. Namaste Vaj Ji, I most politely, in case you are intersted in the facts.. Sri Adi Shankara while at His origianl mutt at Kanchi, one day presented a gift of earrings to the Temple Diety- Devi Sri Tripurasundari. The earrings are the Sri Yantra itself and the mantras are inscribed uopn those earrings, that were presented by Adi Shankara to the Devi Tripurasundari. The Goddess / Devi Lalita Tripurasundari that Adi Shankara presented His gift to was His Divine Beloved at that particular temple in Kanchi. But Adi Shankar's true Divine Beloved Bhagawan w as Him-Govinda to whom He-Adi Shankar wrote- 'Bhajo Govindam'... Nonetheless there are Sri Vidya texts attributed to Adi Shankara-- whether we believe that they actually were written by him is another question. Some accept this, others do not. worshipped in Sri Vidya and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas. Please find me *ONE SINGLE SHANKARACHARYA* that worships a Sri Vidya from the website of a living *Legimate* Shankaracharya in any of the mutts / maths. Why? The practice of Sri Vidya in the Shank. tradition goes back to Shankara himself and is continued up to the present. No it does not. Please find ONE SINGLE SHANKARACHARYA* that worships a Sri Vidya from the website of a living *Legimate* Shankaracharya in any of the mutts / maths. And why would I expect to see such a thing on a website? Seems a 1). Puri Peeth has celebrated Sri Krishna Janmashtami every year with a chariot/Rath Yatra procession of Sri JagganathJi(Sri Krishna) for thousands of years. In fact Adi Shankara set this math as a Vaishanvite monastery, Puri Peeth is not even advait vedanta!! check out the pics http://www.purionline.com/puri/ratha-yatra-2006/gallery.htm Sure doesn't look like worship of a Sri Yantra http://www.purionline.com/puri/ 2). Sringeri Peeth special functions and celebrations http://www.sringerisharadapeetham.org/html/Guide/2006engfest.html Nothing in there regarding a celebration related to worshipping a Sri Yantra. Although there was-, 'Sri Krishna Jayanti' celebration on 08/15/06. 3). Dwarka Peeth- Sri Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati, highly doubtful he worships a Sri Yantra. 4). Jyosimutt/ Badrikashram- Sri Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati, highly doubtful he worships a Sri Yantra. 5). Kanchi mutt- here is the link go see if this mutt engages in worship of Sri Yantra http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html silly proposition--esp. since a number of us on this list have been initiated into various aspects of Sri Vidya via the Shank. tradition! Namaste Sir Vaj Ji Which living legimate Shankarachraya were you initiated by? A very old pagan and tantric Goddess. Stop making this crap up.., would you please. Just the facts. Sri Rajarajewari is a form of Lalita. .just (*deeply ocnfused*) facts..and Her full name is Devi Lalita Tripurasundari. Yes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmastan is so cool! ( Those Shristavas sure have a big house! )
sparaig spare egg/ Lawson English wrote: coldbluiceman sperino wrote: sparaig spare egg / Lawson English wrote: Jeffrey wrote: snip Namaste Lawson Ji, The same tired *OLD ANOOP CHANDOLA STORY* you rely so very heavily upon. It truly is something that after 35 years.., all you have is just one conversation with Anoop Chanodla that has shaped your entire *Belief System* which soley based on Anoop Chandola's spuroius claims. That is truly sad! The Anoop Chandola Story has been dis-proven by court documents and yet you ignore them! The spurious claims made by Anoop Chandola regarding-, Guru Dev's hand-picked successor are easily disproven Lawson. Simply by a review of historical facts of two items.., thereby nullifing your arguement of the legitmacy of Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh. As you entire *Blind Faith Belief System* is based upon the supposed relationship of- Shantinanda / Mahesh to Sri BrahmanandJi. It is a fact that Swami Shantinanda made false claims in his book- 'Shri Jyothirmath' for example.. Item #1). A fully executed will of Sri BrahmanandJi was deposited in Allhalabad on December 18, 1952. (1st paragraph page 2 of 'Sri Jyothirmath) Could be a misprint, obviously. Namaste Sir Lawson Ji, I must politely take exception with your assessment regarding the remote possibilty that the contents of Swami Shantinand's book- 'Sri Jyothirmath' are simply just mis-prints. So you are saying just .. Item #1). A fully executed will of Sri BrahmanandJi was deposited in Allhalabad on December 18, 1952. (1st paragraph page 2 of 'Sri Jyothirmath) In regards to this statement regarding(paraphasing)-, Shantinand being completely qualified the hold the seat as he was completely literate in Sanskrit and the Vedas.(page 2 paragraph 2) And, you did not address Item #2). He was installed in Varansi in the presence of hundreds of scholars from all over the country (2nd paragraph page 3). With regards to Item #2 (above)a claim made Swami Shantinand, it has been confirmed by- Professor Mr. Dana Sawyer of Maine College of Arts that-, Swami Shantinanda was installed in Allhalabd by Brahmachari Mahesh and a few friends who thought the will could be credible. These are eyewitness accounts and ashram records that dispell the lies of Swami Shantinand that Professor Dana Sawyer has reviewed The court found that the will was valid regardless of when it was executed. Lawson the validity of the will was not the issue, never was. The issue was from the beginning mal-adminstration of the ashram trust. From the court case, page 796.. ..The High Court was of the view that since the plaintiffs did not plead facts and particulars as regards the defect in the machinery for administration which had crept in under custom or rules which required rectification, the prayer for direction was a mere pretense to bring the suit under S. 92. A direction cannot be given by the Court unless it is shown that it is necessary for the proper administration of the trust... http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html ..The case was appealed to the High court at Allahabad in 1962 (Civil Appeal No. 385), and received the same judgement, that is the High Court found that there was no evidence to substantiate the allegations of breach of trust against the first respondent. No reasons were given in the plaint for asking the directions of the court for the administration of the trust. (court case, p.791) http://www.mail- archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20687.html It also found that Shantannada wasn't competent in Sanskrit, but that seems odd. Why does that seem odd? Did Anoop Chandola tell you Shantinand could read Sanskrit? Because, Shantinand claimed in 'Sri Jyothirmath', he could. What criteria does a secular court use to determine such things? Well just maybe, the legal counsel for the plaintiffs handed Swami Shantinand a text written in Sanskrit, and in court Shantinand could not read from it. Much the same if any court in the USA someone handed you a text in Sanskrit and asked you to read from it, and you could not. We could then determine you could not read sanskrit. The REAL question is: did Gurudev have a right to name someone as his sucessor even if he wasn't a Sanskrit scholar? (1) Questions regarding the authenicity of the will arose, for instance, why hadn't Brahmananda published the will while he was still alive? (2) Why hadn't he made clear then who he wanted to follow him? http://www.mail- archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20687.html You and the scholastic community that wanted the other guy say no, apparently. No Lawson I could care less. I was pointing out the pathos of your fetish with- Anoop Chandola Story and there is no other guy. I'm minded of the cook who became the Buddhist patriarch over
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?
Vaj wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: cardemaister wrote: authfriend judy stein wrote: shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: snip Snip snip Sri Rajareshsvari is a form of the Goddess Namaste Vaj Ji, I must politley take exception with your comments, are saying Sri Rasheshwari or Sri Rageshwari? As, both are the same name for one Devi / Goddess. Neither. Namaste Vaj Ji, I most politely, in case you are intersted in the facts.. Sri Adi Shankara while at His origianl mutt at Kanchi, one day presented a gift of earrings to the Temple Diety- Devi Sri Tripurasundari. The earrings are the Sri Yantra itself and the mantras are inscribed uopn those earrings, that were presented by Adi Shankara to the Devi Tripurasundari. The Goddess / Devi Lalita Tripurasundari that Adi Shankara presented His gift to was His Divine Beloved at that particular temple in Kanchi. But Adi Shankar's true Divine Beloved Bhagawan w as Him-Govinda to whom He-Adi Shankar wrote- 'Bhajo Govindam'... Nonetheless there are Sri Vidya texts attributed to Adi Shankara-- whether we believe that they actually were written by him is another question. Some accept this, others do not. worshipped in Sri Vidya and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas. Please find me *ONE SINGLE SHANKARACHARYA* that worships a Sri Vidya from the website of a living *Legimate* Shankaracharya in any of the mutts / maths. Why? The practice of Sri Vidya in the Shank. tradition goes back to Shankara himself and is continued up to the present. No it does not. Please find ONE SINGLE SHANKARACHARYA* that worships a Sri Vidya from the website of a living *Legimate* Shankaracharya in any of the mutts / maths. And why would I expect to see such a thing on a website? Seems a 1). Puri Peeth has celebrated Sri Krishna Janmashtami every year with a chariot/Rath Yatra procession of Sri JagganathJi(Sri Krishna) for thousands of years. In fact Adi Shankara set this math as a Vaishanvite monastery, Puri Peeth is not even advait vedanta!! check out the pics http://www.purionline.com/puri/ratha-yatra-2006/gallery.htm Sure doesn't look like worship of a Sri Yantra http://www.purionline.com/puri/ 2). Sringeri Peeth special functions and celebrations http://www.sringerisharadapeetham.org/html/Guide/2006engfest.html Nothing in there regarding a celebration related to worshipping a Sri Yantra. Although there was-, 'Sri Krishna Jayanti' celebration on 08/15/06. 3). Dwarka Peeth- Sri Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati, highly doubtful he worships a Sri Yantra. 4). Jyosimutt/ Badrikashram- Sri Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati, highly doubtful he worships a Sri Yantra. 5). Kanchi mutt- here is the link go see if this mutt engages in worship of Sri Yantra http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html Samaya Sri Vidya does not require any externally obvious signs. Namaste Vaj Ji, Please tell me what exactly are the signs of Sri Vidya? Not finding a secret practice on a web site is no indication that it is not practiced, nor should we be surprised it is not practiced everywhere. Maybe, but you insisted Sri Vidya was practised by Adi Shankara and at His established mutts. It has a long association with these traditions, esp. the southern seat. I gave you the link to the southern seat here it is again. Why not email the southern seat directly and ask them if the Shankaracharya there at Kanchi worships a sri yantra'?? 5). Kanchi mutt- here is the link go see if this mutt engages in worship of Sri Yantra http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html BTW, just a casual glance at itineraries shows participation in Sri Vidya rituals. Please- *Specifically Identify from those itineraries which are sri yanta rituals? I want to know what you are calling sri yantra rituals. I think you're just playing games. I think you are playing games, and attempting to get me stare at *VERY Artistic Mandalas* that my lovely wife paints on concrete for celebrations at our local Hindu temple. Are those mandalas my wife paints part of some sri yantra ritual? Just what FFL needed--another game player. Excuse me if you are actually ignorant in this area, Sir Vaj Ji, I am not ignorant. I just don't by into your whole-, tantric / shankaracharya / sri yantra secret rituals thing. I have been to 2 Shankaracharyas(1 north 1 south) and 2 living disciples of Sri BrahmanandJi Maharaj and 1 Jagadguru Acharya (my spiritual master). And, in 20 years i never heard of any secret teaching of sri yantra!!..i assure you I am not ignorant in these areas. Its just these areas of yours are highly speculative. but it sure seems like game-playing to me
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!
lurker no more2 steve wrote: mark meredith 2002 wrote: Actually I think I may have found it. In 2002, the Maharishi Global Development Fund took in $76 million in donations. $58 million of that was then transferred out to a variety of offshore accounts in the Channel Islands. The primary offshore account is the Brahmanada Saraswati trust which received a $53 million grant that year. This same account received $16 million in 2003 and $10 million in 2004 in grants from the MMY Glb. Dev Acc't, which represents the majority of its own donations for those years. So it seems that US donations to the pundits have gone into the Glb. Dev fund for tax purposes but then get transferred out to an offshore account w here of course they can't be traced any further. I can't imagine what else that $76 million in donations in 2002 could be connected to. Was that the year the millionaire courses started?? Anyway, unless someone can get records from a private offshore account we don't know how the pundit donations have been used. I'm still curious where Bob saw the $190 million in cash? PS -- The biggest expense for the MMY Glb Dev fund in 2002 was $2.7 million paid to Equine 121 Consulting in Texas. This must be related to that real estate scandal in texas in which the movement paid a bunch of money to some ex-politician to fix some deal which cost the locals a bunch of money -- anyone remember those details?? Now this blows my mind. Namaste Steve Most politely I must ask-..,Why would this blow your mind? So this money is untraceable from the Channel Islands? Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh has been running this same scam for years. No legal responsibility to account for this as a non profit? No, and as far as the tmo Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh are concerned-.., Its none of your buisness!! Is there any explanation for what happened to these tens of millions of dollars? Well, it won't buy Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh's ticket back to India. The Lil mantra-$elling -freak-Mahesh will die in exile in Holland. And, his old pals Swami Vasudevananda or Sri Ravi Shankara won't even show when they plow his corpse under in the tuplip garden out back. Lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits -- CAN'T FIND THE $190 MILLION!
Rick Archer wrote: bob_brigante wrote: mark meredith wrote: snip You know how the pundit donations have been used when you see bldgs housing pundits all over India -- here's a photo of the one in the Brahmastan of India: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html Namaste Sir Bob. I must politely point out that- *the photograph on your website* is of the Shristava family compound near Jalapur, Madhya Pradesh is the *VERY SAME* property the agents of the tax office of the Indian Goverment raided in 1987. That facility was partially constructed with the money from the- *Great Stuart Zimmerman $100mil. Whirled Peas Scam of 1986*. snip how hard would it be for the TMO to publish comprehensive list with photos of all such facilities, Namaste Sir Archer, I don't think it would be all that difficult.., if the in fact there was another property other than the Shrivstava Family compound. if others exist, along with what it cost to build each one? That would dispel all this speculation about embezzlement by the nephews. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Those Shristavas sure have a big house! or houses....
Jeffrey wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Rick Archer wrote: bob_brigante wrote: mark meredith wrote: snip You know how the pundit donations have been used when you see bldgs housing pundits all over India -- here's a photo of the one in the Brahmastan of India: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html Namaste Sir Bob. I must politely point out that- *the photograph on your website* is of the Shristava family compound near Jalapur, Madhya Pradesh is the *VERY SAME* property the agents of the tax office of the Indian Goverment raided in 1987. That facility was partially constructed with the money from the- *Great Stuart Zimmerman $100mil. Whirled Peas Scam of 1986*. Holy Crap! Is that HUGE compound where Maharishi's family lives? Namaste Sir Peter, The family compound belongs to the Shrivstava Family. That would be Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh Prasad Varma's maternal newphews- Ajay Ananda, their father (Lil Mishmashi's brother) was involved in the Coup (Spring 1953) to conspire with the *Clerk(Lil Mishmashi* and the *Cook(Shantinanda)* to poison Sri BrahmanandJi to death. The Shrivstava Clan is a very large family of money-grubbers. I would love to see more close up pictures if there are any. Go online and search the court documents. What did you mean by Madhya Pradesh? Central Indian State/Province. What is that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Those Shristavas sure have a big house! or houses....
sparaig/ Spare Egg wrote: Jeffrey wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Rick Archer wrote: bob_brigante wrote: mark meredith wrote: snip You know how the pundit donations have been used when you see bldgs housing pundits all over India -- here's a photo of the one in the Brahmastan of India: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html Namaste Sir Bob. I must politely point out that- *the photograph on your website* is of the Shristava family compound near Jalapur, Madhya Pradesh is the *VERY SAME* property the agents of the tax office of the Indian Goverment raided in 1987. That facility was partially constructed with the money from the- *Great Stuart Zimmerman $100mil. Whirled Peas Scam of 1986*. Holy Crap! Is that HUGE compound where Maharishi's family lives? I would love to see more close up pictures if there are any. What did you mean by Madhya Pradesh? What is that? ALways take everything that Steve says with a grain or three of salt. Namaste Spare Egg, Most politely use an entire salt shaker or box full of Morton's. Then please re-read my posts wherein i said-, 1). July 2000 at Alt.meditation.transc. Lil Mishmashi Mahesh will die fallen and in disgrace in exile in Holland... 2). July 2000 at Alt.meditation.transc. The Clerk(Mahesh) conspired with the Cook(Shantinanda) to re-write Sri BrahmanandJi's will.. 3). September 2002 at Alt.meditation.transc. There would never be any large group of Mahesh-ian pandits anywhere in the world funded with the $87mil... Here's a series of photos of the Shristava family compound. It doesn't look like a family compound to MY untrained eye, but YMMV. And, who in their *Right Mind* would believe a single word of Lil Mishmashi Mahesh? BTW, Steve, what was the result of that raid on the compound? Go online and research the court documents. There is a real handy and complete search engine for that..providied free of charge by teh Indian Gov't. And, please tell what difference it would make to you Spare Egg? You believe there are hindu temples in China(not Tibet or Cambodia). Most respectfully -- you hold fast to your *Blind Faith* of Lil Mishmashi Mahesh-- as that is all you have to show for 35 years of his confused personal ideology. Pranams, Stephen Perino How do you know? What newspaper articles (plural) can you furnish us on the subject? As I asked above..what difference would it make? http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmastan is so cool! ( Those Shristavas sure have a big house! )
sparaig spare egg wrote: Jeffrey wrote: Thanks for the pictures! They look fascinating. snip Does Maharishi go there ever? Not since 1989 when he was run out of India for the final time by P.M. Rajiv Gandhi, and the legimate Shankaracharyas of Puri Dwarka/Jyosimutt. It looks amazing. You know as much as I do. Which is not much in fact. Just mere speculation. This rather huge 360 picture says it all, as far as how big the place is: http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/pano1.jpg To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmastan is so cool! ( Those Shristavas sure have a big house! )
Jeffrey wrote: HOw could Maharishi be run out of India? Did he commit a crime? ..The Swiss government, according to some reports, had made things difficult for him, allegedly for not paying taxes in full and also for transferring large sums of his money in the accounts there to other countries. Valuable foreign exchange to the extent of Rs 15 crores [$1.3 million US] is estimated to be coming into India alone each year for the upkeep of his many organizations [A description of the luxurious compound and its guards. Further detail about the government raids.] Raids were simultaneously conducted at Jabalpur, where the Maharishi's associates and various organisations own a great deal of property. This is not the first time that the revenue department has launched an offensive against TM adherents Late last year [1987], prosecution for tax evasion... was launched against the president of one of the trusts, a doctor by training, two accountants and the Maharishi's nephews, Anand and Ajay Srivastava Among the yogi's relatives, his brother J P Srivastava's sons, Anand and Ajay Prakash, seem to be in charge of accounts and administration. The [Maharishi's] brother, reportedly, is not given much importance in the family hierarchy, for reasons that date back to the illustrious younger sibling's youth. Mahesh Yogi, apparently, had early in life forsaken hearth and home after being allegedly ill- treated by his brother http://onwww.net/trancenet.org/news/molest.shtml It looks like he is doing alot of good there. ..He said all of this was being done to delude Westerners. Mahesh needs a Shankaracharya to continue spreading his net of deception. He said, as Shankaracharya, it is my clear and absolute duty to uphold the true teaching of Shree Shankara... http://minet.org/TM-EX/Winter-92 Besides the brahmastan compound, I also saw pictures of his Vedic School. Very impressive looking Ashes and Powers: Myth, Rite and Miracle in an Indian God-Man's Cult D. A. Swallow Modern Asian Studies, Vol. 16, No. 1 (1982), pp. 123-158 http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0026-749X(1982)16%3A1%3C123% 3AAAPMRA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-7 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Fraiser
curtis delta blues wrote: ColdBluICeman wrote: That was exactly the aim of the British. The Brits knew early on they could never militarily occupy India, and control the country. So, the only other option was destroy the one thing that bound that society together..hindu-ism actually called Vedic Sanatana Dharma. Iceman, I think you are overestimating the unifying value of religion in India when the Brits came on the scene. India was ripe for the picking because it was not a unified country but a bunch of waring Maharaja-run states. Namaste Curtis Nevertheless, the Brits only choose to demolish the Vedic shastras (scriptures) that were stored in the Mutts(Maths) of Adi Shankara especially in So. India at Kerala, and Puri up north. And, with much vigor destroyed much of the shastras in the libraries at Varansai (where in fact the oldest known library in existance) was ransacked by the Brits. It was already divided and only needed to be conquered. And, the Brits did not use military force. They used Christianity to attempt to unite but first they had to destroy Vedic Sanantan Dharma. I'm not sure I understand your focus on Shankara's Maths and their relationship with MMY. The Shankara 5 mutts-(Jyosi/Badrimutt Sringeri Puri Dwarka Kanchi) and 2 upapeeths(Kashi/Varanasi Allhalabad) represent the tradition that Brahmachari Mahesh plagarized in an attempt to justify (or legimatize) his early beginnings of his (s)piritual (r)egeneration (m)ovement later to become tmo. and the - Kashi Vidvat Parishad (Group of Vedic scholars Pundits that installled Sri BrahmanandJi in 1941) represent the established trad Are you a believer in the traditions that they represent? Not sure what you are asking? Do you identify yourself as a believer in Sanatana Dharma? I am a follower of Vedic Sanatan Dharm.., yes When you use the Namaste are you being funny, Pranams.., no. or is that a term that you are using at face value? Yes. Since I do not have any gods in me there is no need for your god to honor mine if you address me. Thanks. Most politely I must take exception, although there are no gods plural in your heart/seat of your soul. There is a God singular, and He is called Paramatma. coldbluiceman wrote: off world beings wrote: sparaig wrote: off world beings wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Now the tmo is in the provebial tiolet. What is that? -- a toilet that speaks proverbs? snip In case you hadn't noticed, the man believes that the British deliberately rewrote parts of the vedic literature over a 150 year period in order to destroy Hinduism... He may actually be right about that. There was one Victorian British officer in India that deliberately mistranslated some vedic literature for the purpose of specifically advancing the christian superiority complex over the hindu, and attempting to deliberately denegrate hinduism. Namaste Off_World That was exactly the aim of the British. The Brits knew early on they could never militarily occupy India, and control the country. So, the only other option was destroy the one thing that bound that society together..hindu-ism actually called Vedic Sanatana Dharma. This officer (I forgot his name) is recorded in letters and official documents that that was his specific aim and he was proud of his actions, and no-one questioned his actions at the time.. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Fraiser
dr.peter sutphen wrote: I believe we were using a Muller (is it Mueller?) translation of the 9th and 10th mandala. Namaste Sir Dr. Peter, Alas we agree on something. In fact F. Max Mueller's translation of 9th 10th Manadala of the Rig Veda is the same on distributed(or sold) at the conclusion of the tm-sidhi course. And, Mahesh had the unmitigated gall to paste Sri BrahmanandJi's picture on the first page. But i heard Mahesh has exceeded himself now, by putting Sri BrahmanandJi's picture on a raam note. Ya think Ms. Judy/Ms. Political Correctness would have made a big fuss over the fact the tmo/Mahesh is using a butchered Western-ized version of the mandalas. Take Care Pranams Some of the mandalas were censored because of their sexual content. One example is in a 10th mandala sukta ...as a frog desires water, flow Indu for Indra. What is left out is the phrase, ...as a hairy cleft desires a penis... I guess the Mother Divine ladies would pop a stich if they heard that. --- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's all about pride and arrogance, in these cases... Having just traveled through the 'Badlands' of North Dakota; Just reminds me of another place and time: Custer's Last Stand... Those Euro's considered themselves quite superior to the savages, those tree hugging natives... Same attitude, I guess- Primarily British- A bloody shame, really, and truely. R.G. .(snippy In case you hadn't noticed, the man believes that the British deliberately rewrote parts of the vedic literature over a 150 year period in order to destroy Hinduism... He may actually be right about that. There was one Victorian British officer in India that deliberately mistranslated some vedic literature for the purpose of specifically advancing the christian superiority complex over the hindu, and attempting to deliberately denegrate hinduism. This officer (I forgot his name) is recorded in letters and official documents that that was his specific aim and he was proud of his actions, and no-one questioned his actions at the time.. OffWorld His tenure lasted 150 years? No, but the influence of this and other European arrogancies did. Not long after the time of the British governer's (whatever title given) attempt to re-write some vedic writings to deliberately, systematically, and proudly, subordinate it to christianityMax Muller, the hugely German scholar, for decades largely demened and incorrectly downgraded the Vedic culture's presence and stature in the region. So much so that to this day there is still an old school of respected scholars who still believe that the vast epics of the Vedas and Vedic tradition were largely the campfire stories of some wandering Afghan peasant sheepherders and their marauding heirs. However, the MAJORITY of modern scholarly thought is now realising that the Vedas were in India long before any Afghan migration. But Max Muller (along with other British repressions and other European short-sightedness) was a HUGE figure in Vedic scholarly field (even among westernised Indian scholars) and only very recently is being toppled from his god-like status towards a less pompous and humbled view of the vedic culture on the part of western scholars. (I really wanted to study this whole thing as a PHD, and travel to India to delve deeper into it, and write a book, but I don't suppose I ever will now) QUOTE: Max Muller represented the bes, and at times the worst, of nineteenth-century intellectual life. His work in the origins and growth of language, mythology, and reliÂgion, typified Victorian armchair scholarship: bold, adventurous, pioneering, someÂtimes triumphalistic, but always convinced of its social and cultural superiority. To be sure, there is much to admire, much to despise, and much to be embarrassed by, in the antiquated scholarship of the Victorian era as a whole. But as a pivotal period in the history of human ideas, the historical and intellectual import of its scholarly literature should not be ignored by historians or summarily dismissed by present-day researchers as utterly worthless. Rather, it should be read and understood within its own social and cultural context. In the case of the voluminous and, at the time, influential writings of Friedrich Max Muller, this observation proves no less true. http://www.wordtrade.com/society/mullermax.htm (If you have a one-liner, poorly thought out answer for your response sparaig, you will be called spare egghead for 3 days by me) OffWorld To subscribe, send a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Fairfield ever get any pundits?
bob brigante wrote: Jeffrey wrote: Oh you are a riot!! Yes, I was afraid it might have been another fundraising scam. Sorry to hear. When I think of all the good people of Fairfield who believe all this stuff, and do their best to support Maharishi, but then are let down time and again, it is a shame. I guess they believe because they want to, even though they really know better. $2.2 million was raised for the Vedic City pundit housing, and $2.2 million was spent on the housing, so to say that it was a fundraising scam would be an ill-informed claim. Namaste Sir Bob, I think Peter was referring to the $87mill. scam of April 2002 and the whirled peas fund created to bring 10,000 Pandits to America and construct housing, and infrastruture to support the 10,000 pandits. There are just some many scams by Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh we cannot keep up. But thank you for distinguishing between the April 2002- $87.mill. scam and the $2.2mill fund raiser to build pandit housing that was supposed to built by $87mil. scam of April 2002. MUM thought it could bring in 500 pundits, but they were too poor to get visas, So that is what you were lead to believe..Bob..like the pandits were ever coming at all. so the Mother Divine group is now occupying the facility. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: gross...
ffia 1120 wrote:
coldbluiceman wrote:
ffia1120 wrote:
coldbluiceman wrote:
snip
Your posts are very mean-spirited and
filled with venom.
Namaste ffia1120,
I must politely take exception with your
appraisal of my posts.
As you apparently claim-, you are of those
exceptional persons
gifted omnipotent insightfullness that
decipher the emotional
content of pixels generated on your
computer's monitor hundreds (if
not thousands) of miles from another.
I wonder how
much of that spills out on your
wife and 4 kids?
I don't know?..your the expert please tell me.
Or do you hold it in
around them and save your anger/hatred rants
I really do not like to disappoint you but I don't rant.
(disguised with niceties
like I politely take exception) for FFLife alone?
PRANAMS!!
Most respectfully and with deepest
humility my niceties are quite
sincere.
I honestly feel
sorry for your kids.
You sound like my dad -
Wow..you are incredible..you can hear
sounds from fonts that
similar
to your dad..was your dad real?
Or was he fonts on a monitor?
a rage-aholic who
belittled and blamed everyone for
any reason he could muster.
He was
a truly miserable person.
I am truly and deeply sorry that your dad
was so mean to you.
But, now your all emotionally attached
to Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari
Mahesh??
..Who told you could {ph}ly?
And now your describing yourself as a Vedic householder?
All of your
previous posts make it clear
that you hate MMY/TMO and anything even
remotely associated with it.
No.., I am really pleased to see
Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh
is lying in exile in Holland, alone
without one single Vedic Pandit
or legimate Shankaracharya to perform the
requiste Vedic Funeral
Rites.
Put the past (TMO/MMY/etc.) behind you.
Close the door and move on.
I did. The question is-- can you?
Please for your own sake do it sooner rather than later.
Your kids will thank you.
Your reply proves my point.
Namaste Ms. ffia,
Belittling, berating, dismissing, mean-
spirited --
Most politely and in deepest humility if you actually believe i was
at any point mean-spirited towards you tehn please accept my
deepest apologies.
but in that singy-songy voice of a true believer.
i must politely ask-, a true believer of what?..exactly?
I
think it's called passive-agressive -
You can deduce that from pixels that appear on your monitor?
Dr. Pete would be the expert
I must politely disagree FFIA not dr. pete.., you should be on Dr.
Phil
there.
For someone who hates the TMO/MMY as much as you do,
I do not hate anyone or anything especially not Lil Mishmashi
Brahmachari Mahesh. I pity his poor afflicted soul.
you sure
seem obsessed with it -- especially MMYs death.
BTW - I do not follow MMY or the TMO
any more and have not for 8-9
years.
Pranams.., I must politley take exception with your statement..
If you do not indeed follow Lil Mishmashi.., then why do you take
such issue with my words?
I have closed the door and moved on.
I have to..I am helping those tm-ers that read my words move on as
well.
I still feel sorry for your kids, though.
Most politley, *JUST IN CASE YOU ARE INTERESTED* this what a tm-
er(over at A.M.T.)has said regarding my parental skills.. And,
Vastu Bob has claimed he knows me well..
Vastu Bob wrote:
When you meet Steve,
he seems a very normal
guy and can be a loyal
friend.
At first he does not seem too bright,
then you realize he is very bright.
I will give you this Steve,
you have been an exceptionally good
and caring parent.
Still, I give my love to you
and your family
[end}
And my dad?
We all made peace with him before he died.
I hope the
next time around he is born into a family
who loves, adores, respects
and appreciates him. He certainly deserves it.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: gross...
Alex Stanley wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: john alexander stanley wrote: off_world_beings wrote: Could you live in a society where dog's penis and donkey's penis is on the menu at the local fine restaurants? Yes. And, if I were to visit that society, I'd even try such unusual fare. (this is just plain wrong ! ) Personally, I reserve that judgment only for the tiger (or any other endangered species). Things have changed?.. It over at A.M.T. a few years ago John preferred *cat penis*, in fact John was the Self-professed Cat Blower. According to John..,he really did not have a problem with any specific race of *Cat Penis* Namaste Pranams Sir Steve! Deepest respects! I've been going by the name Alex (my middle name) for a couple years now, and I prefer not to be called John. Namaste Sir J. Alex or Alex. IIRC, you changed your last name from Perino to Perin and back to Perino, so perhaps you can understand and honor my request. (J)ust (F)or (T)he (R)ecord i did not change my at all. I was born with Perino. The it was changed before my 1st birthday (not legally, an assumed name- Perinn). The when i got married at the Jefferson county courthouse I could not get a marriage license because my name on my driver license did not match the birth name. So, i simply went back to using the birth name Perino, and was issued a marriage license by Magistrate Bob Robinson. Its all on file there at the courthouse. Thanks! So you are still into the silly stuff? I thought you would have out grown that by now. How is the rammed-earth wall house holding up? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: All Siddhas invited to MUM
bob brigante wrote: During today's press conference http://mou.org , it was announced that all Siddhas, IOW..for the love of god would someone please showup!! The dang tmo is in the provebial toilet. regardless of nationality, were invited to come to MUM now (this was a change from the previous policy that only Yanks, Brits, and Canucks were invited) and be part of the permanent large group that is being assembled -- Got plenty of illegals down here in Texas and George Bush loves them all.., Bob why not drive down here with a tour bus and haul them up there?.. And, then give them my slightly used tm sutras for free..pay them $500 a month and free room board. The breed like rabbits and in a few years ya'll have a permanent group. no more bells in the Dome, fly as long as you want. They will love that. MMY also said he was going into silence for a while. Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh is already in *Permanent Silence* check the meat locker. He has died fallen and in disgrace, in exile from his motherland India and far from the ashram he was run out of 50 years ago. No legimate Shankaracharya or Pundit from the Kashi Vidvat Parishad will attend to the funeral rites. Brahmachari Mahesh's soul will soon be on its way to a nice warm Celestial Hell for 2mil. years for his-- (C)onfused (P)ersonal (I)deology that he propagated for decades in his Master's name. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Fraiser
dr.peter sutphen wrote: off_world_beings wrote: A lot of fifty something ru's working for peanuts in the building trades with little or no knowledge thereof. It is kinda embarrassing to watch them fumble along as if they know something about it. Anyone have a thought on why there are so many fifty something ru's with little or no career to speak of, falling back on the building trades and breaking ankles and falling off ladders?? Sure. Naamste Good Dr. Peter, So is this the expert medical advise you give your patients? People had a very strong spiritual orientation early in life and committed themselves to a new spiritual path that was not supported by any social structures. Doctor you assume facts not established. It is a fact tm is not spiritual or nothing related to spirituality. As the term spiritual has for millenia implied a religious practise relating to GOD. While persons attracted to Mahesh initially were *Sincere* spiritual seekers they were very quickly lead astray by Lil Mishmashi Mahesh's confused persoanl ideology, and $elling mantras. You could surive in this path teaching TM and rounding only until the mid 70's and then National started taking more and more money from initiations and returning less and less to the centers and then MMY brought out the siddhis and the TMO started to tank. Now the tmo is in the provebial tiolet. And, the world is full of Lil Mishmashi Mahesh's *Walking Wounded*. Raising the prices to start TM drove almost every initiator out of business and into the real world. Because it was a buiness to start with.., selling mantras the celestial hell awaits the people who still hold firm to their faith in Mahesh, as *You get what Mahesh has*...Which is Mahesh's destiny that awaits him when he dies. Now why it is construction (is that the case? Sample size?) I don't know. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: gross...
Alex Stanley wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: So you are still into the silly stuff? I thought you would have out grown that by now. Outgrown being light-hearted and silly? Namaste Sir Alex, No, I was refering to the gay boys. That siily stuff. Gawd, I hope not. What I have outgrown, for the most part, is seeking division, disharmony, and conflict with others. Good. How is the rammed-earth wall house holding up? Very well. And, we've added on to it a wee bit and changed the landscape some. You can see it here: A VERY VERY nice house indeed. Although I noticed some potential issues you may have later on.. 1). The cold formed metal stud framing at the new fireplace..,the stud track will rust/corrode due to condensation and permanently discolor the adjoing tile floor. If its marble the tile will transmit the dis-coloration to surround tile. http://alex.natel.net/house/new/fireplace2.jpg A fix would be- remove the tile immedialtely adjoining the fireplace. cut a new tile and leave about a 1/2 grout joint with a plastic shield between the grout stud track. You do have 10% attic stock of that tile from same lot? 2). The step down transition from one room to the next at living room north (with the hard tile cove base french doors). http://alex.natel.net/house/new/living_room_pano.jpg The tile floor may become wet (or the soles of your feet)and you could very easily lose your footing and slip. The step down transition to a tile floor of that hieght is not really a good idea. You may want to consider a rubber backed floor covering that won't slip on that lower upper tile floor at those door openings. Unless there is carpeted floors in those lower rooms. In a few short years you will regret those high transitions anyway. And, the house has limited re-sale value with them. 3). Expansion joint at the-- tie-in at the existing structure, to the new construction. The two walls will expand and contract at different rates as it appears from the photo that conventional construction methods were used from- the exisitng, to new. http://alex.natel.net/house/new/cool_storage_west.jpg What type of expansion material was used? Did you use an elastomeric paint to re-paint the exisitng exterior. And, was new construction exterior stucco color coat integral dye- colored or elastomeric? The elastomeric material is the ideal method (due to flex, not rigid) as the expansion and contraction of the construction materials due to seasonal changes will destroy that stucco in Iowa. And, it is especially worse at 2 joing structures. 4). The baseboard heaters in the north passage?.. http://alex.natel.net/house/new/north_passage_tile.jpg Please advise your wife not to hang window treatments that extned any lower than the window openings..fire hazzard. What happened with the ciculating hot water heat under the floors? not very effiecent. http://alex.natel.net/house/new/ Just my expert professional opinion based upon 25+ years in the building trades. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Fraiser
off world beings wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Now the tmo is in the provebial tiolet. What is that? -- a toilet that speaks proverbs? As often the tmo does indeed. in Mahesh, as *You get what Mahesh has* ...Which is Mahesh's destiny that awaits him when he dies. Are you fear-mongering Namaste Off No, it is a fact. That-person which the mind heart intently and deliberatley focuses upon..takes on some that person's qualities and nature. It is also a fact *not one single person* has attained anything Mahesh has promised. And, in fact there has not been one single historical Divine Personality (Saint) that has propagated any teaching remotely even similar to Mahesh's. And, that is why Brahmachari Mahesh (as i said 6 years ago at A.M.T. as Ms. Judy will testify) will die in exile thousands of miles away from his motherland (India), and not one single Vedic Pundit from the Kashi Vidvat Parishad nor any legimate Shankaracharya will adminster the Vedic Funeral Rites for Mahesh. Mahesh is celestial hell-bound on the fastest means to enlightenment. like the christian fundies do? OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: gross...
Alex Stanley wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: So you are still into the silly stuff? I thought you would have out grown that by now. Outgrown being light-hearted and silly? Namaste Sir Alex, No, I was refering to the gay boys. That siily stuff. In that regard, the silly stuff I've outgrown is useless, ignorant, superstition-based societal conditioning with respect to human sexuality. Namaste Sir Alex John, Most repectfully- I politely take exception to your way of thinking and conditioning. So, I am straight(alawys been) happily married (to the same woman) with 4 kids(w/same wife) for almost 15 years because I suffer from as you said-, supersitiion-based societal conditioning?. I was under the impression that the marriage I have been engaging in, is referred to as Vedic householder dharma. And, the human sexuality you still engage in with your wife/boyfriend is commonly referred to as is what?..exactly? Although I noticed some potential issues you may have later on.. 1). The cold formed metal stud framing at the new fireplace..,the stud track will rust/corrode due to condensation and permanently discolor the adjoing tile floor. If its marble the tile will transmit the dis-coloration to surround tile. They make entire buildings out of that stuff. If rust and corrosion of galvanized steel were that serious a problem, Could not tell if the stud track is galvinized. Are the Hilti shot pins galvinized as well? We had black mold growing on the drywall next to the garage doors, down near the floor. So, I told them to cut out a strip of drywall along the floor and replace it with Durock. They also tweaked the weatherstripping. End result: No more mold. That you can see. Did you use a commonly available mold-remediation product that kills the Black Mold you cannot see? 3). Expansion joint at the-- tie-in at the existing structure, to the new construction. The two walls will expand and contract at different rates as it appears from the photo that conventional construction methods were used from- the exisitng, to new. http://alex.natel.net/house/new/cool_storage_west.jpg What type of expansion material was used? snip I don't know the particulars of the interface between the old and new construction. That is where the problems occurr. Did you use an elastomeric paint to re-paint the exisitng exterior. And, was new construction exterior stucco color coat integral dye- colored or elastomeric? The color isn't integral because we didn't want the textured colored finishes that the guy showed us. We wanted a smooth finish. I don't remember the particulars about the color coat, but it was some special stuff for stucco. Probably elastomeric if as you said-, the color isn't integral. IIRC, you voiced concerns about building issues w with the original house (something about windows and humidity or somesuch), and no such problem ever manifested. No A.John it was cotton batt insulation in the rammed-earth wall cavity that would lead to rodent infestation. I suggested perlite insluation in place of the cotton batt. And, the original builder was a guy with very little house building experience. The new construction was done by the best builder in the area. And, more conventional Type5 construction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Fraiser
sparaig wrote: off world beings wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Now the tmo is in the provebial tiolet. What is that? -- a toilet that speaks proverbs? in Mahesh, as *You get what Mahesh has*... Which is Mahesh's destiny that awaits him when he dies. Are you fear-mongering like the christian fundies do? OffWorld In case you hadn't noticed, the man believes that the British deliberately rewrote parts of the vedic literature over a 150 year period in order to destroy Hinduism... Namaste Spare Egg, I must politely take exception with you statement. I don't believe that the British deliberately re-wrote *Specific* parts of the Vedas...I can prove it beyond a shadow of doubt. With the public statements made by the British themselves regarding their efforts to scholastically destroying their sastras. Are You the very same person that believes there are hindu temples in China(not Tibet or Cambodia or Thailand)? Anyways regarding the British see links cited In his book, 'Inspired Writings of Hinduism' Goldstucker attacked the validity of the Vedas, stating that his aim was to inspire the new generation of Indians that their religious superstitions were backwards.. ..This could only be achieved by scholastically destroying their sastras. The only recourse for the new generation would be to adopt European values in order to improve their character... (source: Inspired Writings of Hinduism - By Theodore Goldstucker p.115). http://www.atributetohinduism.com/FirstIndologists.htm#The%20First% 20... ...Hinduism was dying or dead because it belonged to a stratum of thought which was long buried beneath the foot of modern man. http://www.atributetohinduism.com/FirstIndologists.htm#The%20First%20 Macaulay's object was to undermine the social and religious institutions of India. The Indian Daily News, for instance, wrote in its leader on March 29, 1909: Lord Macaulay's triumph over the Oriental School, headed by Dr. Wilson, was really the triumph of a deliberate intention to undermine the religious and social life of India. 1. The famous German indologist Albrecht Weber (1825-1901) was a notorious racist whose German nationalistic tendencies were thinly veiled as works on Indian philosophy and culture. When Humbolt lauded praise upon the Bhagavad-gita, Weber became disgusted. His immediate response was to speculate that the Mahabharata and Gita were influenced by Christian theology - 'The peculiar colouring of the Krishna sect, which pervades the whole book, is noteworthy: Christian legendry matter and other Western influences are unmistakably present...' The British domination of India has been described as a political and economic misfortune. In 1937, a distinguished British civil servant, G. T. Garratt, declared that the period of Indo-British civilization of the 150 years had been most disappointing, and in some ways the most sterile in Indian history...[end] http://www.atributetohinduism.com/FirstIndologists.htm#The%20First% 20... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI HANDS TRANSITION TO US
shemp mcgurk wrote: Rick Archer wrote: From a friend: Looks like Einar and his wife have flown t he coop in San Antonio. My intuition is that Maharishi will be gone by the end of the 9 days, ...will be gone... Is this another way of saying will be dead? Gone..check the meat locker To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Fraiser
jim_flanegin wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: And, that is why Brahmachari Mahesh (as i said 6 years ago at A.M.T. as Ms. Judy will testify) will die in exile thousands of miles away from his motherland (India), and not one single Vedic Pundit from the Kashi Vidvat Parishad nor any legimate Shankaracharya will adminster the Vedic Funeral Rites for Mahesh. Mahesh is celestial hell-bound on the fastest means to enlightenment. He seems OK with it. Why are you not OK with it? Namaste Sir Jim, I am just fine with Brahmachari Mahesh going to a *Celestial Hell* (there is a very special Hell already made ready for his soul when it arrives). Are you ok with it? Best Regards. Stephen To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: gross...
john alexander stanley wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: So you are still into the silly stuff? I thought you would have out grown that by now. Outgrown being light-hearted and silly? Namaste Sir Alex, No, I was refering to the gay boys. That siily stuff. In that regard, the silly stuff I've outgrown is useless, ignorant, superstition-based societal conditioning with respect to human sexuality. Namaste Sir Alex John, Most repectfully- I politely take exception to your way of thinking and conditioning. So, I am straight(alawys been) happily married (to the same woman) with 4 kids(w/same wife) for almost 15 years because I suffer from as you said-, supersitiion-based societal conditioning?. The useless, ignorant, superstition-based societal conditioning I've outgrown is specifically that in regard to people who are not heterosexual. Any societal conditioning you may have about your own sexuality and relationship is not my concern and not what I was addressing. I was under the impression that the marriage I have been engaging in, is referred to as Vedic householder dharma. You can refer to it as Jabbledavian Smoogle Glooph, for all I care. Your impression of your own marriage is not my concern. And, the human sexuality you still engage in with your wife/boyfriend is commonly referred to as is what?..exactly? Seriously, Steve, you need to stop obsessing about my sex life. Namaste Sir John Alexander Stanley (you have 3 first names) I am not John. You mentioned how much might enjoy dog penis. I mentioned the fact- you blow cats. Now its seems you maybe inclined to blow dogs, goats, bulls as well as cats. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Fraiser
jim flanegin wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: And, that is why Brahmachari Mahesh (as i said 6 years ago at A.M.T. as Ms. Judy will testify) will die in exile thousands of miles away from his motherland (India), and not one single Vedic Pundit from the Kashi Vidvat Parishad nor any legimate Shankaracharya will adminster the Vedic Funeral Rites for Mahesh. Mahesh is celestial hell-bound on the fastest means to enlightenment. He seems OK with it. Why are you not OK with it? Namaste Sir Jim, I am just fine with Brahmachari Mahesh going to a *Celestial Hell* (there is a very special Hell already made ready for his soul when it arrives). Are you ok with it? He obviously can do whatever he wants. Namaste Sir Jim, No Lil Brahmachari Mishmashi cannot-, whatever he wants. He cannot stop death. Please don't be under the mistaken impression that I am in any way tied up in whatever Maharishi chooses to do or not do. Why would I mistake that? You are not tied to Mahesh... ..Unless you are one of those brainwashed- governers of the age of enlightenment that believe they are in some shankaracharya tradition that Lil Mishmashi Mahesh fabricated, and have complete faith in the tm teaching-of worshipping yourself as god. Then you have a real problem. I might add that there is an alternative to seeing Maharishi as a substitute positve or negative Daddy, (you obvoiusly see him as negative Daddy...) Most respectfully Sir Jim.. I must politely take exception of your speculation regarding-- how I see Lil Mishmashi Mahesh. I take see him as I would any other common charlatan/thief/liar/false-pretend spiritual guide...of which there a few...Satya Sai Baba.. and that is to see him as who he is- someone who had a dream to raise the conciousness of the world through the guidance of his Master, Brahmananda Saraswati, aka Guru Dev. Lets see Sir Jim.. you have bought into a dream that Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh claims he once had.. Is he succeeding? I don't know Sir Jim..,you answer that. Afterall you are the one stupid enough to buy into someone's dream A very personal question, formulated on the assumption, The world is as you are. Thats quite an assumption based upon the fact that- material world is just that- a material world. What did you expect? an immaterial world? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: gross...
ffia1120 wrote:
coldbluiceman wrote:
snip
Your posts are very mean-spirited and
filled with venom.
Namaste ffia1120,
I must politely take exception with your appraisal of my posts.
As you apparently claim-, you are of those exceptional persons
gifted omnipotent insightfullness that decipher the emotional
content of pixels generated on your computer's monitor hundreds (if
not thousands) of miles from another.
I wonder how
much of that spills out on your wife and 4 kids?
I don't know?..your the expert please tell me.
Or do you hold it in
around them and save your anger/hatred rants
I really do not like to disappoint you but I don't rant.
(disguised with niceties
like I politely take exception) for FFLife alone?
PRANAMS!!
Most respectfully and with deepest humility my niceties are quite
sincere.
I honestly feel
sorry for your kids.
You sound like my dad -
Wow..you are incredible..you can hear sounds from fonts that similar
to your dad..was your dad real? Or was he fonts on a monitor?
a rage-aholic who
belittled and blamed everyone for
any reason he could muster.
He was
a truly miserable person.
I am truly and deeply sorry that your dad was so mean to you.
But, now your all emotionally attached to Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari
Mahesh??
..Who told you could {ph}ly?
And now your describing yourself as a Vedic householder?
All of your
previous posts make it clear
that you hate MMY/TMO and anything even
remotely associated with it.
No.., I am really pleased to see Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh
is lying in exile in Holland, alone without one single Vedic Pandit
or legimate Shankaracharya to perform the requiste Vedic Funeral
Rites.
Put the past (TMO/MMY/etc.) behind you.
Close the door and move on.
I did. The question is-- can you?
Please for your own sake do it sooner rather than later.
Your kids will thank you.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Fraiser
off world beings wrote: sparaig wrote: off world beings wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Now the tmo is in the provebial tiolet. What is that? -- a toilet that speaks proverbs? snip In case you hadn't noticed, the man believes that the British deliberately rewrote parts of the vedic literature over a 150 year period in order to destroy Hinduism... He may actually be right about that. There was one Victorian British officer in India that deliberately mistranslated some vedic literature for the purpose of specifically advancing the christian superiority complex over the hindu, and attempting to deliberately denegrate hinduism. Namaste Off_World That was exactly the aim of the British. The Brits knew early on they could never militarily occupy India, and control the country. So, the only other option was destroy the one thing that bound that society together..hindu-ism actually called Vedic Sanatana Dharma. This officer (I forgot his name) is recorded in letters and official documents that that was his specific aim and he was proud of his actions, and no-one questioned his actions at the time.. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Fraiser
off world beings wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: off world beings wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Now the tmo is in the provebial tiolet. What is that? -- a toilet that speaks proverbs? As often the tmo does indeed. in Mahesh, as *You get what Mahesh has* ...Which is Mahesh's destiny that awaits him when he dies. Are you fear-mongering Namaste Off No, it is a fact. That-person which the mind heart intently and deliberatley focuses upon..takes on some that person's qualities and nature. It is also a fact *not one single person* has attained anything Mahesh has promised. And, in fact there has not been one single historical Divine Personality (Saint) that has propagated any teaching remotely even similar to Mahesh's. And, that is why Brahmachari Mahesh (as i said 6 years ago at A.M.T. as Ms. Judy will testify) will die in exile thousands of miles away from his motherland (India), and not one single Vedic Pundit from the Kashi Vidvat Parishad nor any legimate Shankaracharya will adminster the Vedic Funeral Rites for Mahesh. Mahesh is celestial hell-bound on the fastest means to enlightenment.. Sounds like you are very hate-filled. Namaste Off_World, I must politely take exception with your appraisal of my current emotoinal state. I am not hate-filled...i call it as i see it. Enlightened people never talk like this. Most respectfully and in deepest humility.., there is a great lesson to be learned here. When I say i am pleased with his final demise..alone and unwanted... i am not pleased in his *sad situation* of having to lie there in bed unable to walk or see, and unwanted. That situation is in a way a benefit to all tm-ers. Now those tm-ers can plainly see for themselves the reality of his- (c)onfused (p)ersonal (i)deology and where it has or (has not) left him. Not even civilized people talk like this. Its not civilized for him to die this way either. But he choose it!! If *IN FACT*.. Lil Mishmashi Brahmacahri Mahesh were the most-favored disciple of Sri Vibhushiit Shankaracharya BrahmanandJi Saraswati Maharaj then-, ***WHY is Brahmachari Mahesh not lying on the funeral pyre at Jyosmutt ashram with Vedic Pundits from the Kashi Vidvat Parishad chanting the Vedas and performing the prescribed Vedic Funeral Rites with all the Shankaracharyas of the 4 mutts present?.. .. AND *NOT* lying in a bed in Holland alone? Whats wrong with this picture? Fundamentalist fanatics do talk like this. No but realists do!! Pranams OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: mmy health
shempmcgurk wrote: Rick Archer wrote: From a friend: SNIP I care. But like many I am disillusioned. Namaste Sir Rick.. This is the current reality.. If *IN FACT*.. Lil Mishmashi Brahmacahri Mahesh were the most-favored disciple of Sri Vibhushiit Shankaracharya BrahmanandJi Saraswati Maharaj then-, ***WHY is Brahmachari Mahesh not lying on the funeral pyre at Jyosimutt ashram with Vedic Pundits from the Kashi Vidvat Parishad chanting the Vedas and performing the prescribed Vedic Funeral Rites with all the Shankaracharyas of the 4 mutts present?.. .. AND *NOT* lying in a bed in Holland alone? What is wrong with this picture? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lies, lies, lies
dr.peter sutphen wrote: spar aig wrote: dr.peter sutphen wrote: jim flanegin wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: And, just one more thing Judy as I have said for 75 months over at A.M.T.-, Brahmachari Mahesh(clerk) and Shantinanda(Cook) conspired to poison Sri BrahmanandaJi Maharaj to death. Ah, you are obviously just a bitter old fool. Please take your game elsewhewre, or seek professional help. God, another A.M.T. goon. Just what we need here. S... Just which are OTHER amt goons and why do you use that term? It's a self-appointed club! Namaste good Dr. Peter, I must politley take exception with your assessment. I did appoint myself to any club. I refer to him as a goon because of that endless ... Perhaps you mis-understood my words. No, I am saying that in 75 months of posting at A.M.T... I have said the very same thing. you said in post 1847 that contradicts what you said in post 5678 and compared to post 5678 so you are a LIAR! These are arguments made by contentious people who are not interested in any sort of resolution to the conflict. Endless conflicts need to be out of the domain of FFL. I've had several of these as others have had and I've always made them private after a series of public posts. I made them private because I know NOBODY beyond the involved parties are interested in the conflict. Did I say NOBODY? NOBODY IS INTERESTED!!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lies, lies, lies
judy stein wrote: dr.peter sutphen wrote: dr. peter sutphen God, another A.M.T. goon. Just what we need here. S... Just which are OTHER amt goons and why do you use that term? It's a self-appointed club! I refer to him as a goon because of that endless ...you said in post 1847 that contradicts what you said in post 5678 and compared to post 5678 so you are a LIAR! These are arguments made by contentious people who are not interested in any sort of resolution to the conflict. Bullshit, Peter. Do you reflect back to your therapy clients what they say and do and what you think motivates them with the same degree of inaccuracy? Namaste Ms. Judy Most respectfully.., here is a bit of *Dead On Accuracy* for you from the A.M.T. archives From: ColdBluICE - view profile Date: Thurs, Jul 12 2001 7:59 am Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ColdBluICE) Groups: alt.meditation.transcendental Peter V wrote in message Consider Larry Domash- it was his physics theories which convinced many to to embrace TM- his words, changed the lives of many because his PHD from Princton legitimized the TM movement. And now he is another vanished TM leader- never seen or heard from. I think men like him- leaders who we trusted- owe a debt to many people who changed their lives (some who ruined their lives) based on his words, speeches and writings. He and other scientists made TM and SCI legitimate. That more than anything hooked us all. We trusted him. We were mistaken. Does he have any moral regrets for leading so many down a dark path? Well said!! A VERY DARK PATH INDEED.. a very long monentary lapse of *Moral Reasning* (if he or any others there at miu had any!) A better question would be.:. does mahesh varma have *any moral regrets* (would not a deathbed confession of *ALL* his *LACK* of morality ethics integrity, honesty... be welcome). mahesh varma confesses to his *Nefarious Schemes* = to rid the Ashram of his Master, then put in place a imposter-(Shantinand), then attempt to legitimize himself through misleading press reports and claiming his Masters' Seat for himself!... on and on- his confused translation of the Gita.:. the sobal another *great* work of *FICTION*.. the b.s. of sci... miu/mum.. all of his trail of horseshit! Perhaps, Jeff R. can go (again) and find that story from-, *Illustrated Weekly of India* written in 1980. Wherre mahesh varma begs P.M. Indira Ghandi to let him back into India.. if he gives away all hi *Ill gotten gains* (from selling mantras)... The so-called/self proclaimed.. greatest disciple of Guru Dev - dies in exile away from his Old Ashram and motherland (what could be more fitting)..[end] Or does it not matter here whether you even try to get it right because we're not paying you? We are getting it right Ms. Judy. The tmo and Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh are *DEAD*. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Upcoming CIC Schedule, Costs
Xunknown wrote:
Hey,
Coldbluiceman wrote:
..CIC 10 June 1982 {ph}lying block miu.
I was on CIC 10 June 1982 {ph}lying block miu too.
Zooks...
Namaste Sir Zooks.
We were known as the {ph}lying Rakshasa Brothers.. the bunch that
stood up on their chairs at the evening dining events and applauded
the course participants birthdays..And Greg Wilson wanted to throw
us off the course.
Remember the {ph} in {ph}lying is silent.
jim_flanegin wrote:
coldbluiceman wrote:
jim_flanegin wrote:
coldbluiceman wrote:
Dick Mays wrote:
Alexandria DeVasier
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:42:09 -0500
To: Recipient List Suppressed:;
Subject: Information about the upcoming CIC's.
Could you broadcast asap
Sure lest see..4 times each spaced 15 seconds apart..
samyama(just like you think the mantra) on each
Friendliness
Happiness
Compassion
Strength of an elephant
sun
moon
pole star
transcendence finest..hearing..taste..touch..sight..smell
transcendence intuition
Relationship body and akasha..lightness of cotton fiber.
There I just saved everyone a boat load of cash..
Wow- you are so bad!
Namaste Sir Jim..
I must politley take exception with your appraisal. On the
contrary.I am good. I gave my tm sidhis to countless persons
free
of charge..CIC 10 June 1982 {ph}lying block miu.
If you promise not to do it again I won't tell
your Mom...
She's dead.
Yes, I figured that.
Seriously, without an explanation
of the results of these
sutras,
they are quite worthless...
Explanation? in a nutshell those sutras don't work
..Thats is why
the tmo has to pay $500 a month +
free room board to people
to
sign on.
I no longer do them, but I disagree.
They most certainly DO work!
Too well for me, actually...
Namaste Sir Jim
I must politely take exception with your claims..
So you {ph}ly around the room?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Upcoming CIC Schedule, Costs
jim flanegin wrote:
dr.peter sutphen wrote:
Jim, why waste your breath on this guy.
He's an a.m.t.
goon.
Just more pick and shovel work I guess...
Yea Dr. Pete.., at least its real.
Although he can only try to convince you and himself that both of you
are not delusional.
Just one question Dr. Sutphen do you tell your patients of your
delusional episodes?
And when I do the flying sutra I fly all about
the room, but I'm invisible, so there.
No one {ph}lies.. just plain old delusion.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: gross...
john alexander stanley wrote: off_world_beings wrote: Could you live in a society where dog's penis and donkey's penis is on the menu at the local fine restaurants? Yes. And, if I were to visit that society, I'd even try such unusual fare. (this is just plain wrong ! ) Personally, I reserve that judgment only for the tiger (or any other endangered species). Things have changed?.. It over at A.M.T. a few years ago John preferred *cat penis*, in fact John was the Self-professed Cat Blower. According to John..,he really did not have a problem with any specific race of *Cat Penis* To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Upcoming CIC Schedule, Costs
jim flanegin wrote:
coldbluiceman wrote:
jim flanegin wrote:
dr.peter sutphen wrote:
Jim, why waste your breath on this guy.
He's an a.m.t.
goon.
Just more pick and shovel work I guess...
Yea Dr. Pete.., at least its real.
Although he can only try to convince you
and himself that both of
you are not delusional.
Just one question Dr. Sutphen do you tell
your patients of your
delusional episodes?
And when I do the flying sutra I fly all about
the room, but I'm invisible, so there.
No one {ph}lies.. just plain old delusion.
Very similar to when Copernicus
declared the earth to revolve around
the Sun...
Namaste Sir Jim,
Not similar at all..Copernicus did not go onto say group practise of
the tm technique would lead to-- whirled peas or perfect health or
immortality-- or any other such nonsense Brahmachari Mahesh
convinced you to believe in.
people actually flying would be heresy, right?
No Jim.., there are not any people actually {ph}lying.
And, you don't.
Ideas that
should not be believed under any circumstances
...HA-HA-HA!
No its more like *Delusional Insanity* that should not be believed
under any circumstances.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. nixes 2000 pundits
off_world_beings wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: He emphasized that we MUST get enough flyers here (or meditators who want to become flyers) to get the super-radiance number for USA. Musterbation makes you go blind. Call me cynical, but isn't it a lot like the entire resources of the TM organization have been mobilized to provide the dying guru the illusion that his students still any respect for him? I mean, first they try to scare people into attending this course, and when that doesn't work, they try to guilt them into attending, and when *that* doesn't work, they finally try to PAY them to attend. And even *that* doesn't work. Then they issue press releases bragging about the 1275 people who have signed up, figuring that no one will notice that that's 125 fewer people than had signed up previously. *Then*, when all of these other methods have failed and they try to import a bunch of people from India to make it seem as if folks actually want to come to this course, even *that* fails. It's like watching a family trying to bribe mourners to come to the old patriarch's funeral, just to preserve his illusions one last time... I don't agree with you, however that is your best post in a long timeit gives the cynic's veiwpoint in succinct, hard-hitting, concise form. OffWorld And, TB's post is probably more closer to the truth. All of 1100 Sidhahahas showed up, that is what is left. Most likely all tm teachers the re-certified governers part of the pretend shankaracharya tradition of Brahmachari Mahesh. Who probably already dead, and been that way for 2 years. A fitting end to the-- Dog and Pony Show of the Flying Circus Freak, Lil Brahmachari Mahesh. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lies, lies, lies
shempmcgurk wrote: Lies, lies, lies Words and music by Judy Stein To everything (lies, lies, lies) There is a season (lies, lies, lies) And a time for every purpose, under heaven snip You 2 are still fighting?..Lil Brahmacahri Mishmashi Mahesh is on his death bed (if he is not dead already stored in the meat locker).., his tmo is in the proverbial toilet, they cannot even pay people to attend their courses any longer. It perhaps would in your best interest to get along. Maybe pack both of yours entire earthly possessions and head to FairlyField and make America invincable..Judy promised us over A.M.T. a couple of years ago she'd-, put my head in an oven ..if she could not save this earth planet. Since, there are so few of the True Blue Blind Faith Believers of tm remaining.., dang it..ya'll need to save this planet...right now! What gives?..right now the tmo is paying ya'll to mediatoot and you people just sit and argue...Why not put your money where your mouths are and create world peace? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out of Texas, a Wordless Wonder
vajradhatu108 wrote: Richard J. Williams willytex wrote: Anyone heard these guys? Yes, and Brave Combo, Denton, Texas. They remind me of Godspeed You Black Emperor! but mellower. Ever get to see Rev. Horton Heat? Plays at Stubbs BBQ next month.., also next month at Stubbs - Social Distortion w/Mike Ness He's from down your way. I loved him on the soundtrack of Love and a .45 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lies, lies, lies
judy stein wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: snip Judy promised us over A.M.T. a couple of years ago she'd-, put my head in an oven ..if she could not save this earth planet. Nope, not at all what I said, sorry. Sorry I should have used the exact content and context George DeForest said: what do you think, judy, should we be optimistic or pessimistic? Judy said: ..I hate questions like that! I oscillate between being optimistic and being pessimistic. If I were deep-down pessimistic, if I didn't have the hope that somehow we'd squeak through, I'd probably go put my head in the oven. As to the specifics, though, I can't see MMY getting his peace palaces and his 8000 group at MUM...[end] I was thinking you should be consumed with pessimism by now. Ready to turn on the gas. So, I wasn't not to far afield according to Mr. Dana Sawyer regarding my statements of-, Brahmachari Mahesh re-writing the will of Sri Brahmananda afterall?? I still maintain that Brahmachari Mahesh(clerk) and the cook Ramji Tripathi (aka Shantinanda)teamed up on December 18, 1952 to deposit a 'Document relating to Succession'(an executed will)of Sri BrahmanandJi in Allhalabad as per the accounts of Shatinanada's book- 'a publication, 'Shri Jyotirmath (A brief Introduction)'. Just one question Judy.. Why would an ashram secretary(Mahesh) and an ashram cook (Shantinanda) be depositing an executed 'Document relating to Succession (a will) of Sri BrahmanandaJi on Dec. 18, 1952 when it is a legal fact the 'Document relating to Succession (a will) was not executed until shortly before Sri BrahmanadJi's death a full 6 months later? And, the same Document of Succession executed in May 1953 was used by Shantinanda, as he applied for a certificate of succession in the district court at Allahabad. http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html And, just one more thing Judy as I have said for 75 months over at A.M.T.-, Brahmachari Mahesh(clerk) and Shantinanda(Cook) conspired to poison Sri BrahmanandaJi Maharaj to death. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Upcoming CIC Schedule, Costs
Dick Mays wrote: Alexandria DeVasier Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:42:09 -0500 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; Subject: Information about the upcoming CIC's. Could you broadcast asap Sure lest see..4 times each spaced 15 seconds apart.. samyama(just like you think the mantra) on each Friendliness Happiness Compassion Strength of an elephant Bronchial tubes sun moon pole star transcendence finest..hearing..taste..touch..sight..smell transcendence intuition Relationship body and akasha..lightness of cotton fiber. There I just saved everyone a boat load of cash.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lies, lies, lies
jim_flanegin wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: And, just one more thing Judy as I have said for 75 months over at A.M.T.-, Brahmachari Mahesh(clerk) and Shantinanda(Cook) conspired to poison Sri BrahmanandaJi Maharaj to death. Ah, you are obviously just a bitter old fool. Namaste Sir Jim, I must politley take exception with your comment I am neither old nor a fool. A fool would continue to believe Lil Mishmashi Brahmachari Mahesh's same tired old lies Please take your game elsewhewre, No I think this elsewhewre is just fine. Land of the Lost. or seek professional help. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lies, lies, lies
judy stein wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: judy stein wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: snip Judy promised us over A.M.T. a couple of years ago she'd-, put my head in an oven ..if she could not save this earth planet. Nope, not at all what I said, sorry. Sorry I should have used the exact content and context You sure should have, because what I *actually* said was significantly different than your paraphrase, now, wasn't it? George DeForest said: what do you think, judy, should we be optimistic or pessimistic? Judy said: ..I hate questions like that! I oscillate between being optimistic and being pessimistic. If I were deep-down pessimistic, if I didn't have the hope that somehow we'd squeak through, I'd probably go put my head in the oven. As to the specifics, though, I can't see MMY getting his peace palaces and his 8000 group at MUM...[end] I was thinking you should be consumed with pessimism by now. Ready to turn on the gas. Not sure why you would have been thinking that. Well certainly there is much to be feverishly typed out by your own fingers regarding *Blind Faith*. Perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying altogether. Something about Blind Faith. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
