Re: [FairfieldLife] FF meditator memoriam

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

But did it do that?  Or did it just give lip service to the “spiritual” aspect?
 

 In my opinion, and my experience, I did get a lot of "spiritual"*.   Not that 
this is a requirement, but I did get a fair amount of "face time", but I think 
there was plenty there anyway.  Now, some will argue about whether or not it 
was spirituality, and that is a discussion that has been re-visited a thousand 
times, and nobody's mind is likely to change.
 

 Seems an awful lot of time was spent trying to get people to conform, 
threatening them, asking for $$ etc.
 Eventually it seemed most of the best people just left.
 

 The money aspect was, or at least became, very cultlike, and quite annoying,  
(to put it mildly).  And yes, without a doubt the best people left, or at least 
moved on to other endeavors, although I think many still value the time they 
put in.  Many do not, I'm sure.
 

 *Then again, for me, on a personal level, a lot of spiritual was just the 
desire to "clean house".  I had traits I wasn't happy with, and would get in 
the way of being happy and (somewhat) balanced.  The program, in some manner, 
helped me in this regard.

 

 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Stephen Richter  
 

 Jim Bates
 Susan Small
 Lillian Busch Dar ( 1921-2018)
 Kayren Berna - died March, 1996
 Sarah Oliver - died August, 1997
 

 

 János Szász Sr. • June 4 1936 • October 19 2017 (diwali day) • Budapest •
Decorated Hungarian freedom fighter • 
TM teacher 1977 San Francisco • MIU community + Purusha 1980-1990 • 
Was only one to demonstrate yogic flying behind the iron curtain Aug 15 1986  •
Initiated many in Hungary • National leader for some time • His work continues •
 


 Recently deceased.. 
 Chip Gallagher 
 Dolly Honkenon
 Savannah Wechsler 
 

 
 Len Labagh passed away Sunday morning, Jan 14. 

 Gary Gill 
 Judy Walls   
 Bryan Peterson passed  



 
 Stanley Kresky  
 Randy Coplin,  1949-2018 

 Gary Rich, passed away early this morning, Sept 11, 2018  
 

David Seager 
 Merle C. Dockendorff 
 Robert Iverson 
 David Gannon has dropped the body. Rosie Estrin passed away this morning July 
1, 2018
 
 Transcendental Meditationist Fairfield, Iowa and a TM Movement Memoriam..

 Stewart Oestreich 
 

 Robert Oats  Jerry Jarvis 
 Peter Just 

 

 truncated

 

 There are additional names gathered further back in this thread. 
 Yahoo now truncates posts for length. There are many more names and also the 
Purusha passing list is further back in this thread.   

 

 I have placed the larger file of this memoriam list over on to a Google-group.
 

 Yahoo-groups truncates now in a way that makes researching back into Yahoo 
subject threads difficult to work. The Google-group is an older more 
comprehensive adjunct to this more current listing here on FFL Yahoo-group. 
 

 Note: 
 A longer version of this list that scrolls more easily 
 can be found and opened at:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/8LCTgvO26LM 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/8LCTgvO26LM

 

 Enloe Willingham 
 Friends

  

 ​Y​ou probably heard that Enloe

 ​ Willingham​

 passed last week. 
 Jai Guru Dev
  

 



   
 Norman Zierold passed away at pre-dawn 7 March 2018. 

 There will be a gathering for cremation at Behner Funeral Home in Fairfield, 
2pm Friday 
 

 Sharon Starr Cynthia Cole
 
 

 

 Patrick Gearon, The Quantum (car) Mechanic
 

 Charles (Charly) Vaughn 
 Savannah Alyn Harrell  John L. Petit 

 Roberto, 
 Robert David passed away yesterday. 
 Wonderful character in the community,
 lovely person,
 a very spiritual guy. 
 

 Timothy Kasten,  from online obit, "We were all MIU students in 1974, close as 
thieves sharing the grand TM adventure".

 Steve Petersen  1952-2017
 recently on the Settle Grant with IAAssembly 2012-2015

 Katherine Hanna
 Victor Pardo

 

 Dave Randall 
 Tim Hunter
 

 Ellen Lashmutt
 Finn Bousquet..
 Gurdy Leete
 Nathan Zenack
 Christina Revolinski
 Nancy Glassco Ellie Ditzel
 Vaidya Mishra
 Paul Handelman
 Carl Wonneman
 Tim Hildebrandt
 John Ong
 Rod Magoon
 David George

[FairfieldLife] Re: FF meditator memoriam

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thank you for posting the obituaries, Doug. 

 There was a time, during my teaching days, when I touted, "Perfect Health in 
the Direction of Immortality"
 

 I look back on this with a certain amount of amusement at my naivete, and 
unbridled optimism.  What I do not carry with me is anger and resentment that I 
bought into a path, that didn't quite live up to its lofty expectations.
 

 On the other hand, stepping onto a spiritual path, which encourages you to go 
beyond the superficial aspect of things, what price do you put on that?  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Stephen Richter  
 

 Jim Bates
 Susan Small
 Lillian Busch Dar ( 1921-2018)
 Kayren Berna - died March, 1996
 Sarah Oliver - died August, 1997
 

 

 János Szász Sr. • June 4 1936 • October 19 2017 (diwali day) • Budapest •
Decorated Hungarian freedom fighter • 
TM teacher 1977 San Francisco • MIU community + Purusha 1980-1990 • 
Was only one to demonstrate yogic flying behind the iron curtain Aug 15 1986  •
Initiated many in Hungary • National leader for some time • His work continues •
 


 Recently deceased.. 
 Chip Gallagher 
 Dolly Honkenon
 Savannah Wechsler 
 

 
 Len Labagh passed away Sunday morning, Jan 14. 

 Gary Gill 
 Judy Walls   
 Bryan Peterson passed  



 
 Stanley Kresky  
 Randy Coplin,  1949-2018 

 Gary Rich, passed away early this morning, Sept 11, 2018  
 

David Seager 
 Merle C. Dockendorff 
 Robert Iverson 
 David Gannon has dropped the body. Rosie Estrin passed away this morning July 
1, 2018
 
 Transcendental Meditationist Fairfield, Iowa and a TM Movement Memoriam..

 Stewart Oestreich 
 

 Robert Oats  Jerry Jarvis 
 Peter Just 

 

 truncated

 

 There are additional names gathered further back in this thread. 
 Yahoo now truncates posts for length. There are many more names and also the 
Purusha passing list is further back in this thread.   

 

 I have placed the larger file of this memoriam list over on to a Google-group.
 

 Yahoo-groups truncates now in a way that makes researching back into Yahoo 
subject threads difficult to work. The Google-group is an older more 
comprehensive adjunct to this more current listing here on FFL Yahoo-group. 
 

 Note: 
 A longer version of this list that scrolls more easily 
 can be found and opened at:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/8LCTgvO26LM 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/8LCTgvO26LM

 

 Enloe Willingham 
 Friends

  

 ​Y​ou probably heard that Enloe

 ​ Willingham​

 passed last week. 
 Jai Guru Dev
  

 



   
 Norman Zierold passed away at pre-dawn 7 March 2018. 

 There will be a gathering for cremation at Behner Funeral Home in Fairfield, 
2pm Friday 
 

 Sharon Starr Cynthia Cole
 
 

 

 Patrick Gearon, The Quantum (car) Mechanic
 

 Charles (Charly) Vaughn 
 Savannah Alyn Harrell  John L. Petit 

 Roberto, 
 Robert David passed away yesterday. 
 Wonderful character in the community,
 lovely person,
 a very spiritual guy. 
 

 Timothy Kasten,  from online obit, "We were all MIU students in 1974, close as 
thieves sharing the grand TM adventure".

 Steve Petersen  1952-2017
 recently on the Settle Grant with IAAssembly 2012-2015

 Katherine Hanna
 Victor Pardo

 

 Dave Randall 
 Tim Hunter
 

 Ellen Lashmutt
 Finn Bousquet..
 Gurdy Leete
 Nathan Zenack
 Christina Revolinski
 Nancy Glassco Ellie Ditzel
 Vaidya Mishra
 Paul Handelman
 Carl Wonneman
 Tim Hildebrandt
 John Ong
 Rod Magoon
 David George
 Gary Malmgren
 Amalia Bright
 William James Duke
 Florence Davis
 George Gallagher
 Andrew Sheehan
 Sally Peden
 Tom Torpy
 John Herbert Prechtel
 Nancy Van Blaricum
 Harvey Lubar
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The amazing story of Suzanne Segal

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

As I've said both in our off site communications as well as here, I think the 
body of evidence you've put together is remarkable, and a must read for anyone 
considering stepping on to path that involves spiritual practices.  It has been 
very helpful to me. 

 Who can argue with the personal accounts you have put forth? They present the 
unvarnished truth, both the good parts and the bad parts.
 

 It is only on the conclusion aspect where I think we differ.  You have 
determined that experiences of enlightenment are a delusion, and I am of a mind 
that these experiences are legitimate.
 

 I mean, what does it really matter?  Real world metrics help in sorting things 
out, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 @... We agree on many points, but not on everything. In the TM movement, I 
learned that we shouldn’t doubt our experiences. In retrospect, I think that I 
and some other TMers who had kundalini-type crises would have benefited from 
doubting our experiences. I think it would have been nice to know that 
over-whelming spiritual experiences may not be what they seem. For more on 
kundalini crises https://myenlightenmentdelusion.wordpress.com/kundalini 
https://myenlightenmentdelusion.wordpress.com/kundalini. 
 As another TM teacher framed it, “I saw God and all Hell broke loose.”
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The amazing story of Suzanne Segal

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Here's your conclusion, btw.  (below)  Here's my conclusion, fwiw. I recall 
reading her book a long time ago, and being quite inspired by it.   The 
spiritual path is not fun and games.  It is fraught with pitfalls and tests, 
and plenty of self doubting.  And, it is also not understood, in the least, by 
modern psychology, or western medicine.  So, it is easy to ascribe spiritual 
experiences as the psychotic episodes of an unbalanced person.  That's not to 
say, that becoming messed up mentally is not a possible outcome of being on the 
spiritual path, because, of course it is. But the serious seeker will navigate 
the obstacles and challenges and tests, and arrive at a place that has been 
written about and described, over thousands of years, as enlightenment, or 
growing enlightenment.  If it is in your interest to discredit the spiritual 
path, and assign spiritual experiences as so much weird activity of the brain, 
well, be my guest.  
 

 

 
 Conclusion The supposed experiences of enlightenment are so close to psychosis 
that Suzanne had a hard time deciding if she was enlightened or psychotic. 
Similarly gurus, psychologists, and psychiatrists had difficulty assessing 
Suzanne; some thought she was enlightened.
 I think that a state of enlightenment does not exist. However there are 
altered states of consciousness that make people think that they are 
enlightened.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Suzanne Segal spent much of her adult life trying to figure out if she was 
enlightened or not. 
 At one time, Suzanne Segal was a teacher of Transcendental Meditation. My wife 
knew Suzanne when she was a TM teacher and was envious of her charisma and 
competence.
 In childhood, Suzanne had moments of psychological detachment and “vastness” 
which would scare her.
 Suzanne experienced an emotional trauma on her TM-Sidhis course when she 
received a letter from her fiancé that called off their engagement and informed 
her that he was going to go on the Purusha course. Purusha is the celibate 
monk-like program of the TM organization.
 After she learned the TM-Sidhis, she asked Maharishi Mahesh Yogi why when 
transcending she sometimes experienced great fear as if she was going to die. 
Maharishi laughed and told her not to worry and to just let go.
 Unhappy with her experiences and with the direction of the TM movement, 
Suzanne soon fled from the TM organization, from TM knowledge, and from the 
practice of TM and the TM-Sidhis.
 In 1982 while getting onto a bus in Paris she had a major shift in awareness 
and lost her sense of self. Since she understood the witnessing experience of 
Cosmic Consciousness as described by Maharishi, she sometimes described her 
experience as witnessing. However, at first, she was having a hellish, fearful 
experience so she couldn’t reconcile her experience with Cosmic Consciousness.
 At the urging of her brother, Suzanne met with another TM teacher who had 
announced his own enlightenment but was actually having his own mental health 
crisis. The blind leading the blind is an apt statement. The “enlightened” TM 
teacher at first sensed a high state of consciousness in Suzanne and thought he 
could help her. Weeks later their relationship ended when he stated that she 
was evil because she was Jewish.
 As time passed, Suzanne was able to function with seeming normalcy although 
she still did not have a sense of self. She completed a Ph.D. in Psychology in 
1991 and continued to research her own condition.
 Suzanne consulted with various psychologists and psychiatrists over the years. 
Though she was told by one that she had Depersonalization Disorder, she did not 
think it was a perfect fit because she was able to function normally in 
everyday life despite the loss of her individual self.
 She also consulted with Buddhist teachers in California. Buddhism cultivates 
loss of ego, and some Buddhist teachers congratulated her on attaining moksha.
 About 1994 Suzanne experienced another shift in consciousness in which there 
was a sense of unity between herself and the world.
 In 1995, Suzanne’s story spread. She was reluctant to act as a spiritual 
teacher, but she agreed to meet with friends of her book editor. Within a few 
months of subsequent gatherings, several hundred people were attending meetings 
to hear her story and to ask her questions.
 Suzanne’s autobiography, Collision with the Infinite, came out in 1996. She 
began training therapists and continued weekly gatherings for dialogues with 
spiritual enthusiasts.
 In late spring 1996, she began having intense experiences of vastness which 
disrupted her life and exhausted her. In fall 1996, Suzanne recovered 
experiences of childhood abuse and was going through counseling treatment.
 In early 1997, Suzanne’s mental faculties quickly deteriorated. Doctors 
discovered a malignant brain tumor which they removed. Suzanne refused further 
treatment and died on April 1, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gopi Krishna's Kundalini experience

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I agree.  Action movies help. But most of them are so formulaic.  No 
originality.  Guardians of the Galaxy was pretty good.  I'm pretty much 
resigned to art house movies at this point.  We enjoyed "The Founder", the 
McDonalds story with Michael Keaton. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If your having a  kundalini crisis, go watch some x-men movies. It will help 
you feel better.

Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Dude, are your really here to dialog? I had a kundalini crisis some forty years 
ago, and it's been kickin" my ass ever since.  Like this instant, even.  Yea, 
it's hell, but it's my cross, and it's basically like walking on a razor's 
edge, and I can sure as hell understand why you bailed. 

 This sucker can wear you down, if you don't navigate it just right, and that's 
what I've been having to do for all these years.  
 

 But, but, this kundalini is also, Grace, and it gives you enlightenment.  
Okay, okay, so you don't believe in enlightenment.  No biggie.  But, please 
don't tell me that I'm fn moodmaking, because my experience of refinement 
in thinking and perception has been about this same amount of time, 40 years, 
in the making.
 

 And with the demands I have on a daily basis, I really can't indulge in that 
stuff.
 

 But, hey, you said  you're retired, so enjoy that ride into the sunset.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FF meditator memoriam

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Wait.  Karl ( Carl) Wannaman?  I knew him.  He was part of the Cape Giradeau, 
Mo. contingent if it is who I am thinking of. Would have been friends with 
George Todt and Tim Hildebrandt, (deceased). 

 I would not have pegged him as the Navy Seal type, though, or a healer, for 
that matter, but he was a nice fellow.
 

 

 Karl Wasserman passed away last night. An old devotee of Maharishi, very much 
a part of the Fairfield, Iowa Meditating Satsanga. A cultivated spiritual guy, 
a healer. He was a Navy Seal before there were Navy Seals, went to Viet Nam. As 
a teenager he met Maharishi while surfing and walking on the beach one day in 
Malibu. Later he went to TM teacher training. For a while Maharishi made him a 
checker of advanced techniques. In his later years he was resident in Fairfield 
and very much present in the meditating community. The last couple of years he 
was confined in a nursing home in Fairfield. I am grateful to have known him, 
he taught me the night technique the way Maharishi taught it to him.  I will 
miss him.   “Free at last, he is free, thank god almighty he is free at last”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think his last name was Wannaman or Wanneman... something like that.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Karl Wasserman passed away last night. 

 
 

 

























































 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: deletion of posts

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I say the site is now untenable, and an alternative is in order. Either FFL-2 
or something new altogether.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I see our moderator is deleting large numbers of posts. Where will it all end, 
I ask? Ah, I see a vision of the future—the last five posts, as of right now, 
are all written by the moderator himself! No one able to delete those, eh? 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: On the More Serious Side - Comey

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It absolutely calls into question the caliber of the people the DMC hired to 
keep communications safe.  That the most basic of phishing expeditions could 
have resulted in this massive and embarrassing hack is remarkable. 

 Probably the only thing more remarkable is the fact that the right wing 
"Patriots" are completely silent about the fact that is was orchestrated by 
Russia, or that a foreign government is meddling in our internal issues to the 
extent they are, or that this same foreign government is threatening military 
action if the candidate they favor is not elected.
 

 What the fuck is going on!
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It looks like a whole team of IT experts fell for it:

How Podesta's Gmail Account Was Breached 
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/how-john-podesta-got-hacked-839125 
 
 http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/how-john-podesta-got-hacked-839125
 
 How Podesta's Gmail Account Was Breached 
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/how-john-podesta-got-hacked-839125 
OCTOBER 28--So how did John Podesta’s e-mail account get hacked? The answer to 
that question came into embarrassing focus this morning with th...


 
 View on www.thesmokinggun... 
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/how-john-podesta-got-hacked-839125
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Worlds greatest idiots #1 and #2 

 Who here has fallen for the "Quick, change you passwork. You are vulnerable", 
at least in the past five years? 
 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: On the More Serious Side - Comey

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Worlds greatest idiots #1 and #2 

 Who here has fallen for the "Quick, change you passwork. You are vulnerable", 
at least in the past five years?
 

 
 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Queen Offers English Rule to USA

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Self Medicate? 

 Medical Marijuana Strains 
http://www.medicalmarijuanastrains.com/tag/high-grade/ 
 
 http://www.medicalmarijuanastrains.com/tag/high-grade/ 
 
 Medical Marijuana Strains 
http://www.medicalmarijuanastrains.com/tag/high-grade/ Marijuana Pictures and 
Reviews
 
 
 
 View on www.medicalmarijuan... 
http://www.medicalmarijuanastrains.com/tag/high-grade/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A friend on Facebook posted this: "I wonder how much it would cost to have 
myself put into a medically induced coma until November 9th. Would Medicare 
cover that?" 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 I get all my news from The Borowitz Report. I'd probably kill myself, 
otherwise.
 

 No kidding. I told my husband to hit me over the head with a sledgehammer and 
wake me up on Nov. 9. He thought that was a good idea for a couple of reasons.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 The Brits here should be feeling smug about this report.
 

 Queen Offers to Restore British Rule Over United States - The New Yorker 
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/queen-offers-to-restore-british-rule-over-united-states
 
 
 
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/queen-offers-to-restore-british-rule-over-united-states
 
 Queen Offers to Restore British Rule Over United St... 
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/queen-offers-to-restore-british-rule-over-united-states
 “This two-hundred-and-forty-year experiment in self-rule began with the best 
of intentions, but I think we can all agree that it didn’t end well,” she said.


 
 View on www.newyorker.com 
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/queen-offers-to-restore-british-rule-over-united-states
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Check-out Drudge Report now.

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Tales from the crypt!  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Did Barry draw the cartoon?  This is what he accuses people of.  He did the 
other day and I got a good laugh out of it.  
 

 snip
 

 

 

 
 On 10/29/2016 11:31 AM, Sal Sunshine salsunshineiniowa@... 
mailto:salsunshineiniowa@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   This cartoon from yesterday is perfect for Bhairitu’s nonsense and constant 
twisting in the wind, just replace FB with FFL.  He still thinks Trump is going 
to somehow magically pull it off?  Incredible.  
 

 I wonder how you get to such an advanced state of denial.
 

 
 Sal 
 

 


 

 
 

 
 On Oct 29, 2016, at 12:47 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 
 
 Remember, folks, Bhairitu is the knowledgeable, objective political expert who 
insists *to this day*--in the face of hard, unimpeachable evidence to the 
contrary--that Clinton invented the term "alt right" and that it refers to 
"alternative media" rather than a fringe political movement. 
 
 Clearly, we should take his opinion about who will win the election with the 
utmost seriousness.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :

 
 The stuff you're smoking will soon become legal in California. :-D
 
 Not that I'm any Trump fan.
 On 10/29/2016 07:17 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   It is genuinely hard for me to believe that there are people out there who 
think trump is going to win. Astonishing. Pissing into the wind.

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Just to reiterate: The FBI doesn't yet know what's in the emails. They have to 
get a court order before they can read them. It's entirely possible that some 
or all of the emails are duplicates of those already in the FBI's possession 
from other sources. 
 
 When the Clinton haters--Trump and his minions and Republicans like Ryan and 
Chaffetz--claim the FBI must have found sensational emails proving Clinton's 
guilt or they wouldn't have made this announcement so close to the election, 
they are not telling the truth.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:olliesedwuz@... wrote :

 
 as usual, it is a yawn - HRC says get it all out in the open. Why should she 
care? She doesn't hide her taxes, or suggest grabbing someone's genitals. 
Compared to that orange sex offender and tax cheat, she comes across like a 
saint. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote :
 
 Looks like the fit is hitting the shan!
 October surprise 









 
 

 
 


 

 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Okay, since you've brought it up again, and based on Alex's reply, I feel I 
must refine my reply,  I did not hear MMY say it personally, or at least that I 
can recall.   

 It was in India, in Delhi at the Indian Express building around 1978, (I 
guess), when the food situation was a little tenuous, but there were plenty of 
bowls of peanuts around.  And I recall, John Allon clearly stating that 
although MMY had said that peanuts "dull the mind", it was his, (John Allon's) 
recommendation that we eat them anyway since they seemed a rather safe food at 
the time.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Did Maharishi really say that eating peanuts dulls the mind?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 With the greatest of trepidation, I feel we should nominate as leader of this 
Front, Jimmy Carter.  I, of course, will insist on a full vetting of the 
candidate.  The Jimmy Carter Foundation Habit for Humanity must come under 
especially close scrutiny. I will tolerate No Conflicts of Interest.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The resistance will not be easily thwarted, though. This just in, from the 
legal arm of The Allied Peanut Butter Liberation Front, or TAPBLF - pronounced 
"tabliff" (meant to mimic the sound of someone trying to talk with a mouthful 
of PB): 

Through tireless scrutiny by our comrades, a possible loop-hole to 'the 
prohibition' has emerged, per the "nutter-butter-peanut-butter-sandwich-cookie" 
product. Through a congressional oversight in House Bill PBJ527, these were 
categorized as "housing insulation", with an R-value of 14. With the caveat 
that their manufacture is no longer regulated, these can also be eaten, 
containing nearly ten percent of actual peanut butter. To the ramparts!
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think we have a moral obligation to avoid peanut butter—a duty, one might 
say. Let's not be complacent about it. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Had he sampled America's most popular peanut butters, I am fairly confident 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would've preferred Jif, over Skippy. It is a little 
sweeter. I am a Skippy man, myself. I hope that doesn't impact my spiritual 
evolution. I also like 'crunchy', over 'smooth'...I could be in real trouble 
now...

Alex, Could you ask your bro, please? Or Doug, kindly see what John Hagelin 
thinks? Also, would *jam* act as kind of a yagya, a counterweight of sorts, if 
Skippy continues to be ingested? 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Who knows? However, that was one of those "Maharishi says..." pronouncements 
floating around FF in my early days here. Here's what MAPI has to say about 
peanuts (it's consistent with what MMY allegedly said):

"Peanuts are not recommended in ayurveda. Peanuts are not really nuts; they are 
legumes. Peanuts are difficult to digest and can make one feel sluggish and 
lethargic in body and mind. Ayurvedically, it is better to use either cashew or 
almond butter for sandwiches."

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Did Maharishi really say that eating peanuts dulls the mind?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Aggregating Questions.. 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Some other questions.. sent through to FFL by e-mail:

 

 In order for TMO to thrive and 

 continue being a force for good
 in the world, how "transparent"
 do the panel members think it
 should be: 100%, 50%, something else?
 

 PS I would be grateful if the topic of 

 transparency could be addressed
 before any other questions
 are entertained.

 

 #
Is it the central purpose of [Global Country of World Peace [GCWP] to simply 
act as one of a myriad of movement tax shelters for the "non-profit" world of 
the wealthy? 

 

  
 #
 Someone else asks:
 Why is the US Brahmasthan being ignored by admin?

 

 #
 

 Who currently owns the Brahmasthan of America?
 Does it have a Board of Trustee?
Who is on the Brahmasthan of America Board of Trustees?

 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was that all about?
 Did TM money bail him out and pay his legal fees?
 

 #
 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  
 Will "transcending" it make people richer?.
 
 Will "transcending" curing diseases?
 Will it extend one's lifespan?

 #
 Is the peer reviewed research just cooked data?

 #
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 A 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

With the greatest of trepidation, I feel we should nominate as leader of this 
Front, Jimmy Carter.  I, of course, will insist on a full vetting of the 
candidate.  The Jimmy Carter Foundation Habit for Humanity must come under 
especially close scrutiny. I will tolerate No Conflicts of Interest.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The resistance will not be easily thwarted, though. This just in, from the 
legal arm of The Allied Peanut Butter Liberation Front, or TAPBLF - pronounced 
"tabliff" (meant to mimic the sound of someone trying to talk with a mouthful 
of PB): 

Through tireless scrutiny by our comrades, a possible loop-hole to 'the 
prohibition' has emerged, per the "nutter-butter-peanut-butter-sandwich-cookie" 
product. Through a congressional oversight in House Bill PBJ527, these were 
categorized as "housing insulation", with an R-value of 14. With the caveat 
that their manufacture is no longer regulated, these can also be eaten, 
containing nearly ten percent of actual peanut butter. To the ramparts!
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think we have a moral obligation to avoid peanut butter—a duty, one might 
say. Let's not be complacent about it. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Had he sampled America's most popular peanut butters, I am fairly confident 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would've preferred Jif, over Skippy. It is a little 
sweeter. I am a Skippy man, myself. I hope that doesn't impact my spiritual 
evolution. I also like 'crunchy', over 'smooth'...I could be in real trouble 
now...

Alex, Could you ask your bro, please? Or Doug, kindly see what John Hagelin 
thinks? Also, would *jam* act as kind of a yagya, a counterweight of sorts, if 
Skippy continues to be ingested? 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Who knows? However, that was one of those "Maharishi says..." pronouncements 
floating around FF in my early days here. Here's what MAPI has to say about 
peanuts (it's consistent with what MMY allegedly said):

"Peanuts are not recommended in ayurveda. Peanuts are not really nuts; they are 
legumes. Peanuts are difficult to digest and can make one feel sluggish and 
lethargic in body and mind. Ayurvedically, it is better to use either cashew or 
almond butter for sandwiches."

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Did Maharishi really say that eating peanuts dulls the mind?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Aggregating Questions.. 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Some other questions.. sent through to FFL by e-mail:

 

 In order for TMO to thrive and 

 continue being a force for good
 in the world, how "transparent"
 do the panel members think it
 should be: 100%, 50%, something else?
 

 PS I would be grateful if the topic of 

 transparency could be addressed
 before any other questions
 are entertained.

 

 #
Is it the central purpose of [Global Country of World Peace [GCWP] to simply 
act as one of a myriad of movement tax shelters for the "non-profit" world of 
the wealthy? 

 

  
 #
 Someone else asks:
 Why is the US Brahmasthan being ignored by admin?

 

 #
 

 Who currently owns the Brahmasthan of America?
 Does it have a Board of Trustee?
Who is on the Brahmasthan of America Board of Trustees?

 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was that all about?
 Did TM money bail him out and pay his legal fees?
 

 #
 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  
 Will "transcending" it make people richer?.
 
 Will "transcending" curing diseases?
 Will it extend one's lifespan?

 #
 Is the peer reviewed research just cooked data?

 #
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 A panel coming up this week
 is looking for tough questions...
 

 [ Reply to this FFL post or lurkers can send other Q's you'd like to ask 
straight to the FFL list owner at:
 dhamiltony2k5 at yahoo.com   ]  The FFL list owner also has some channels to 
submit questions on
 up the chain.,, 
 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Anybody have questions of the TM movement to ask?
 

 Where is Dr. Pete?  He had particular question about
 the research.  
 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Looking for Tough Q's

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"chicks, who do kicks, they're not kicking anymore.  they're doing choreography"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 M personal favorite:  Peanuts are not really nuts; they are legumes. 

 Like, who cares?  As if what you call something is going to affect its 
digestibility.
 
 Sal 
 

 




On Oct 27, 2016, at 10:35 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

Had he sampled America's most popular peanut butters, I am fairly confident 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would've preferred Jif, over Skippy. It is a little 
sweeter. I am a Skippy man, myself. I hope that doesn't impact my spiritual 
evolution. I also like 'crunchy', over 'smooth'...I could be in real trouble 
now...

Alex, Could you ask your bro, please? Or Doug, kindly see what John Hagelin 
thinks? Also, would *jam* act as kind of a yagya, a counterweight of sorts, if 
Skippy continues to be ingested? 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 Who knows? However, that was one of those "Maharishi says..." pronouncements 
floating around FF in my early days here. Here's what MAPI has to say about 
peanuts (it's consistent with what MMY allegedly said):

"Peanuts are not recommended in ayurveda. Peanuts are not really nuts; they are 
legumes. Peanuts are difficult to digest and can make one feel sluggish and 
lethargic in body and mind. Ayurvedically, it is better to use either cashew or 
almond butter for sandwiches."

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Did Maharishi really say that eating peanuts dulls the mind?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Aggregating Questions.. 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Some other questions.. sent through to FFL by e-mail:

 

 In order for TMO to thrive and 

 continue being a force for good
 in the world, how "transparent"
 do the panel members think it
 should be: 100%, 50%, something else?
 

 PS I would be grateful if the topic of 

 transparency could be addressed
 before any other questions
 are entertained.

 

 #
Is it the central purpose of [Global Country of World Peace [GCWP] to simply 
act as one of a myriad of movement tax shelters for the "non-profit" world of 
the wealthy? 

 

  
 #
 Someone else asks:
 Why is the US Brahmasthan being ignored by admin?

 

 #
 

 Who currently owns the Brahmasthan of America?
 Does it have a Board of Trustee?
Who is on the Brahmasthan of America Board of Trustees?

 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was that all about?
 Did TM money bail him out and pay his legal fees?
 

 #
 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  
 Will "transcending" it make people richer?.
 

 Will "transcending" curing diseases?
 Will it extend one's lifespan?

 #
 Is the peer reviewed research just cooked data?

 #
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 A panel coming up this week
 is looking for tough questions...
 

 [ Reply to this FFL post or lurkers can send other Q's you'd like to ask 
straight to the FFL list owner at:
 dhamiltony2k5 at yahoo.com http://yahoo.com/   ]  The FFL list owner also has 
some channels to submit questions on
 up the chain.,, 
 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Anybody have questions of the TM movement to ask?
 

 Where is Dr. Pete?  He had particular question about
 the research.  
 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was that all about?
 

 Other Q's people have?
 

 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  Will it make people richer?.
 
 How about curing diseases?
 

 Is the peer reviewed research just cooked data?
 

 Yifuxero writes:
 I'm skeptical of the rationale and underlying assumptions..
 Would one of the conclusions be "Transcending will make you happy and TM is 
the preferred method of transcending".  OK fine...let's see some evidence.
 Likewise, with the other claims.
 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  Will it make people richer?.
 How about curing diseases?
 Make some real substantial claims followed by some good uncooked data; with 
perhaps a few citations of peer reviewed research by somebody outside of the 
TMO or 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It could be there is Ayurvedic prohibition against rodent hairs, which would, 
in my opinion, be completely misguided. 

 I ain't afraid of no rodent hair!
 

 Oh, the wife prefers Jiffe.  (smooth)
 

 Little aside: When we were in Amsterdam last Christmas you could not go 15 
feet without seeing one or other Nutella pyramid.  Now really?  Is Nutella 
really that tasty?  Hazelnuts?
 

 Does Your Peanut Butter Contain Rat Hairs? 
http://www.thealternativedaily.com/does-your-peanut-butter-contain-rat-hairs/ 
 
 http://www.thealternativedaily.com/does-your-peanut-butter-contain-rat-hairs/ 
 
 Does Your Peanut Butter Contain Rat Hairs? 
http://www.thealternativedaily.com/does-your-peanut-butter-contain-rat-hairs/ 
The good ole' peanut butter and jelly sandwich is the lunchbox staple that 
never seems to lose its appeal. But... how good is peanut butter, really? It is 
time ...
 
 
 
 View on www.thealternativedai... 
http://www.thealternativedaily.com/does-your-peanut-butter-contain-rat-hairs/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Had he sampled America's most popular peanut butters, I am fairly confident 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would've preferred Jif, over Skippy. It is a little 
sweeter. I am a Skippy man, myself. I hope that doesn't impact my spiritual 
evolution. I also like 'crunchy', over 'smooth'...I could be in real trouble 
now...

Alex, Could you ask your bro, please? Or Doug, kindly see what John Hagelin 
thinks? Also, would *jam* act as kind of a yagya, a counterweight of sorts, if 
Skippy continues to be ingested? 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Who knows? However, that was one of those "Maharishi says..." pronouncements 
floating around FF in my early days here. Here's what MAPI has to say about 
peanuts (it's consistent with what MMY allegedly said):

"Peanuts are not recommended in ayurveda. Peanuts are not really nuts; they are 
legumes. Peanuts are difficult to digest and can make one feel sluggish and 
lethargic in body and mind. Ayurvedically, it is better to use either cashew or 
almond butter for sandwiches."

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Did Maharishi really say that eating peanuts dulls the mind?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Aggregating Questions.. 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Some other questions.. sent through to FFL by e-mail:

 

 In order for TMO to thrive and 

 continue being a force for good
 in the world, how "transparent"
 do the panel members think it
 should be: 100%, 50%, something else?
 

 PS I would be grateful if the topic of 

 transparency could be addressed
 before any other questions
 are entertained.

 

 #
Is it the central purpose of [Global Country of World Peace [GCWP] to simply 
act as one of a myriad of movement tax shelters for the "non-profit" world of 
the wealthy? 

 

  
 #
 Someone else asks:
 Why is the US Brahmasthan being ignored by admin?

 

 #
 

 Who currently owns the Brahmasthan of America?
 Does it have a Board of Trustee?
Who is on the Brahmasthan of America Board of Trustees?

 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was that all about?
 Did TM money bail him out and pay his legal fees?
 

 #
 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  
 Will "transcending" it make people richer?.
 
 Will "transcending" curing diseases?
 Will it extend one's lifespan?

 #
 Is the peer reviewed research just cooked data?

 #
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 A panel coming up this week
 is looking for tough questions...
 

 [ Reply to this FFL post or lurkers can send other Q's you'd like to ask 
straight to the FFL list owner at:
 dhamiltony2k5 at yahoo.com   ]  The FFL list owner also has some channels to 
submit questions on
 up the chain.,, 
 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Anybody have questions of the TM movement to ask?
 

 Where is Dr. Pete?  He had particular question about
 the research.  
 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was that all about?
 

 Other Q's people have?
 

 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  Will it make people richer?.
 
 How about curing diseases?
 

 Is the peer reviewed research just cooked data?
 

 Yifuxero writes:
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

He most certainly did.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Did Maharishi really say that eating peanuts dulls the mind?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Aggregating Questions.. 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Some other questions.. sent through to FFL by e-mail:

 

 In order for TMO to thrive and 

 continue being a force for good
 in the world, how "transparent"
 do the panel members think it
 should be: 100%, 50%, something else?
 

 PS I would be grateful if the topic of 

 transparency could be addressed
 before any other questions
 are entertained.

 

 #
Is it the central purpose of [Global Country of World Peace [GCWP] to simply 
act as one of a myriad of movement tax shelters for the "non-profit" world of 
the wealthy? 

 

  
 #
 Someone else asks:
 Why is the US Brahmasthan being ignored by admin?

 

 #
 

 Who currently owns the Brahmasthan of America?
 Does it have a Board of Trustee?
Who is on the Brahmasthan of America Board of Trustees?

 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was that all about?
 Did TM money bail him out and pay his legal fees?
 

 #
 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  
 Will "transcending" it make people richer?.
 
 Will "transcending" curing diseases?
 Will it extend one's lifespan?

 #
 Is the peer reviewed research just cooked data?

 #
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A panel coming up this week
 is looking for tough questions...
 

 [ Reply to this FFL post or lurkers can send other Q's you'd like to ask 
straight to the FFL list owner at:
 dhamiltony2k5 at yahoo.com   ]  The FFL list owner also has some channels to 
submit questions on
 up the chain.,, 
 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Anybody have questions of the TM movement to ask?
 

 Where is Dr. Pete?  He had particular question about
 the research.  
 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was that all about?
 

 Other Q's people have?
 

 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  Will it make people richer?.
 
 How about curing diseases?
 

 Is the peer reviewed research just cooked data?
 

 Yifuxero writes:
 I'm skeptical of the rationale and underlying assumptions..
 Would one of the conclusions be "Transcending will make you happy and TM is 
the preferred method of transcending".  OK fine...let's see some evidence.
 Likewise, with the other claims.
 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  Will it make people richer?.
 How about curing diseases?
 Make some real substantial claims followed by some good uncooked data; with 
perhaps a few citations of peer reviewed research by somebody outside of the 
TMO or MUM.
 If the claims are true, people in vast numbers should be flocking to a 
practice that has specified benefits.
 Will "transcending" help one in the midst of a Zombie Apocalypse?
 
 Will it extend one's lifespan?  (doesn't look like it in view of the stats 
coming from FF)
 

 Send Your Q's.. 
 I will aggregate Q’s from FFL and forward them on to the panel
 for the October 28th Meeting.
 

 Respond to this post/thread.
 

 Or,
 

 Anyone reading FFL but unable to post to FairfieldLife who have questions they 
would like asked
 Can send them to: 
 
 fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com
 

 I can include those too of the FFL lurkers,  
 

 -JaiGuruYou


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Iowa

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nah, I think we got our Jerry update with the guy who channeled MMY, when he 
wasn't busy reflecting on all his past lives. 

 Larry would be a much bigger catch at this point.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Bring back Jerry Jarvis!
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This outreach is getting out of hand. 

 Wanna get some crowds.  Bring in Dr. Domash.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi through the Years
Lecture 1. The Early Days — Historic Footage
and Fascinating Anecdotes
Dr. Bill Sands, Dean, MUM College of Maharishi Vedic Science, with
Dr. Keith Wallace, MUM Professor of Physiology and Health
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators.
 Tuesday, Oct. 25, 8:00 PM 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Yep, some of these kids we will see become larger community organizers and 
some will get their MSW’s and either way be activists in life. Wow.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nice to hear.  Thanks for the report.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The presentation was by the kids. It was great. Jaw-dropping good.
 Incredibly high-order thinking
 on their feet throughout.
 By what is consciously called
 and self-identified,
 The generation of future leaders. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, "difficult demographics" is the relevant term, across the board I'd say. 

 We had a good shot at the apple.  Back in the day, world population was 3.6 
mil. That was the basis of the "World Plan".  Centers located all over.  But 
now the old guard is dying off, and we're not far behind.  
 

 "Perfect health in the direction of immortality." Not so much, I guess.
 

 But, I'm not complaining.  It got me out a funk.  (-:
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I wondered the same thing on reading the title.
 If it was University age/level students it likely would be a more 
feisty/critical meeting.
 

 I am betting it will present what projects the school kids are doing for the 
good of society and the world.
 Apparently the school like the rest of education had gone over to more 
standard core curricula and testing but as with the general reaction going on 
in education to core-cirrc the school is now moving into project-based and 
critical-thinking learning. 
 

The journalist in me would have wanted to go see university students reflect. 
But I will go up there and see this one in a little while too.  The school is 
charting along with difficult demographics.   I would like to hear the update 
on how it is going.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm not sure I get it.  Refuse to accept what things the way they are?  TMO 
things,or on a altruistic note, the state of the world things? 

 But it is open to the public, so maybe it's the altruistic theme.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We Refuse to Accept Things the Way They Are
Maharishi School Students in Action: A Lively Panel Discussion with Our Next 
Generation of Leaders
Moderated by Ellen Akst Jones, Chair, Maharishi School
Board of Directors
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome.
 Monday, Oct. 24, 8:00 PM

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Also, 
 a 2pm practice today for
 the communal sing
 of Handel's Messiah.
 51 N. Court Street
 Fairfield, Iowa
 23 October
 A No-badge meeting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 Progress on the Path to Global Raam Raj
Sunday, Oct. 23, 2:00 PM

 Inspiration from around the World, with Highlights from the Invincible America 
Assembly
Dr. Bevan Morris, DSCI (via Skype)
Prime Minister of the GCWP
International President of Maharishi Universities of Management
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM-Sidhas. Please bring TM-Sidhi ID.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Skeptics’ Night
Open Discussion with Community and Experts
on the Maharishi Effect
 Saturday, Oct. 22, 8:00 PM 

 Chair: Dr. David Orme-Johnson, Former Chair of MUM Psychology Dept.
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM-Sidhas. Please bring TM-SidhiSM ID.

 

 Saturday, Oct. 22, 1:30 PM
 Physics of the Maharishi Effect
How to Exploit Quantum Entanglement and Quantum Teleportation on a Massive Scale
Dr. John Hagelin, President of MUM
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Today, Friday, Oct. 21, 8:00 PM 
Behind-the-Scenes Adventures
Stories of Working for Maharishi in Mozambique and Israel
Vicki Alexander Herriott, JD, LLM, Chair, MUM Dept. of Management
Dr. Carolyn King, MUM Professor of Physiology and Health
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators. 

 

 Thursday, Oct. 20, 8:00 PM
Your Brain In-Between Mantras
Silence Is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Iowa

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This outreach is getting out of hand. 

 Wanna get some crowds.  Bring in Dr. Domash.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi through the Years
Lecture 1. The Early Days — Historic Footage
and Fascinating Anecdotes
Dr. Bill Sands, Dean, MUM College of Maharishi Vedic Science, with
Dr. Keith Wallace, MUM Professor of Physiology and Health
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators.
 Tuesday, Oct. 25, 8:00 PM 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Yep, some of these kids we will see become larger community organizers and 
some will get their MSW’s and either way be activists in life. Wow.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nice to hear.  Thanks for the report.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The presentation was by the kids. It was great. Jaw-dropping good.
 Incredibly high-order thinking
 on their feet throughout.
 By what is consciously called
 and self-identified,
 The generation of future leaders. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, "difficult demographics" is the relevant term, across the board I'd say. 

 We had a good shot at the apple.  Back in the day, world population was 3.6 
mil. That was the basis of the "World Plan".  Centers located all over.  But 
now the old guard is dying off, and we're not far behind.  
 

 "Perfect health in the direction of immortality." Not so much, I guess.
 

 But, I'm not complaining.  It got me out a funk.  (-:
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I wondered the same thing on reading the title.
 If it was University age/level students it likely would be a more 
feisty/critical meeting.
 

 I am betting it will present what projects the school kids are doing for the 
good of society and the world.
 Apparently the school like the rest of education had gone over to more 
standard core curricula and testing but as with the general reaction going on 
in education to core-cirrc the school is now moving into project-based and 
critical-thinking learning. 
 

The journalist in me would have wanted to go see university students reflect. 
But I will go up there and see this one in a little while too.  The school is 
charting along with difficult demographics.   I would like to hear the update 
on how it is going.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm not sure I get it.  Refuse to accept what things the way they are?  TMO 
things,or on a altruistic note, the state of the world things? 

 But it is open to the public, so maybe it's the altruistic theme.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We Refuse to Accept Things the Way They Are
Maharishi School Students in Action: A Lively Panel Discussion with Our Next 
Generation of Leaders
Moderated by Ellen Akst Jones, Chair, Maharishi School
Board of Directors
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome.
 Monday, Oct. 24, 8:00 PM

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Also, 
 a 2pm practice today for
 the communal sing
 of Handel's Messiah.
 51 N. Court Street
 Fairfield, Iowa
 23 October
 A No-badge meeting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 Progress on the Path to Global Raam Raj
Sunday, Oct. 23, 2:00 PM

 Inspiration from around the World, with Highlights from the Invincible America 
Assembly
Dr. Bevan Morris, DSCI (via Skype)
Prime Minister of the GCWP
International President of Maharishi Universities of Management
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM-Sidhas. Please bring TM-Sidhi ID.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Skeptics’ Night
Open Discussion with Community and Experts
on the Maharishi Effect
 Saturday, Oct. 22, 8:00 PM 

 Chair: Dr. David Orme-Johnson, Former Chair of MUM Psychology Dept.
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM-Sidhas. Please bring TM-SidhiSM ID.

 

 Saturday, Oct. 22, 1:30 PM
 Physics of the Maharishi Effect
How to Exploit Quantum Entanglement and Quantum Teleportation on a Massive Scale
Dr. John Hagelin, President of MUM
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Today, Friday, Oct. 21, 8:00 PM 
Behind-the-Scenes Adventures
Stories of Working for Maharishi in Mozambique and Israel
Vicki Alexander Herriott, JD, LLM, Chair, MUM Dept. of Management
Dr. Carolyn King, MUM Professor of Physiology and Health
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators. 

 

 Thursday, Oct. 20, 8:00 PM
Your Brain In-Between Mantras
Silence Is the New Dynamism
Dr. Fred Travis, Chairman, MUM Department of Maharishi Vedic Science
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wednesday, Oct. 19, 8:00 PM 

Transcending in Myth & Literature  
Dr. Rhoda Orme-Johnson,  Former Chair of MUM Literature Department

 MUM campus, Dalby 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Oct-16 00:15:20 UTC

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Should we have an open house?  Have pocket sandwiches maybe. Alcohol, No 
alcohol? I would recommend before Thanksgiving, but after All Hollows Eve. 

 Pony rides, Doug? Hayride maybe?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would encourage lurkers not to be wallflowers, using a messenger to send 
notes to the people who are actually out on the floor dancing, but to join the 
dance themselves. Please get off the sidelines and come and join us. We do not 
bite. (Well, OK, only occasionally.)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doug, could we have the English translation of that please? I don't get it, 
why do they have to send anything to you? Why can't they just post? Have you 
got everyone except the regular posters on moderation now?

And what the heck does "add a consideration" mean?
 
Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 25, 2016, at 7:27 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 JaiGuruYou, anybody lurking FairfieldLife at Yahoo who would like to add a 
consideration to FFL subject threads can send an
 e-mail to the list owner for consideration.
 Send to:  dhamiltony2k5 'at' Yahoo.com http://Yahoo.com  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Fairfield Life Post Counter
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, perfectly ripe, mango.  No doubt about it.  Also in that category although 
not often acknowledged is a perfectly ripe persimmon.  Must be perfectly ripe, 
though.   

 Fresh figs.  More than an honorable mention.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And mangoes. Don't forget the mangoes. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Okay, I'll take a trip down memory lane. 

 Let's see the five "sattvic" foods, as I recall, were,
 

 almonds, honey, cherries, oranges, and probably something in the dairy line, I 
can't recall at the moment.
 

 And yes, in the back of my mind, I guess I still subscribe to this, to some 
extend.  Although, it's not really hard to do.  (-:
 

 but, does a hamburger once or twice a week count?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Google https://www.google.com/search?q=Peanuts+dull+the+mind%3F Peanuts Dull 
The Mind?
 

 Google Search the world's information, including webpages, images, videos and 
more. Google has many special feature... 
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera=Peanuts+dull+the+mind%3F=opera=UTF-8=UTF-8
 

 I am fond of peanuts as are birds, squirrels, rats, and other rodents. Blue 
jays head straight for them over other kinds of seeds. Smaller birds will try 
to carry off a large unshelled peanut in preference to a bird feeder. High fat 
and protein. Birds go for that. Birds will choose GMO seeds that have higher 
protein over natural ones of the same kind.
 

 The idea that peanuts are bad comes from their being hard to digest. About 30% 
of the fat in peanuts tends to not get digested. An Ayurvedic no no. If you get 
stranded in a winter wilderness with a lot of peanuts and you are Ayurvedic in 
dietary preferences, you die.
 

 Actually some Ayurvedic sources say to reduce, not necessarily eliminate 
peanuts.
 

 Peanuts have a strong odor, so perhaps that is another reason spiritually 
minded dogmatists are against them. 
 

 Also the Vedic people did not know about peanuts.
 

 India got its first peanuts in the 18th century. Vedic proscriptions do not 
specifically apply to the peanut as a result, modern Vedic-ites retrofitted 
proscriptions against nuts to them. 
 

 It's all about nuts, but it is not clear whether the proscribed articles are 
the food or the eater of the food or both. Let us say it is perhaps unhealthy 
to be around nuts according to this view.


 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:19 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of course, not. However, I'm experiencing tremendous cognitive dissonance 
because MMY did say that peanuts dull the mind. Thankfully, I still have a 
bottle of lorazepam to ease my suffering.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That the peanut M is roughly, in the shape of hiranyagarbha, did not escape 
your notice, I'm sure.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Just guessing here, but I imagine the chocolate surrounding the peanuts is 
applied with the same panning method as the outer shell coating. As such, the 
peanuts would be constantly tumbling as the coating is applied, so there would 
be no dents. That would assure the utmost in Vedic purity.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Here's a couple, possibly a little off-topic, but still toughies: 

1. How do they get the peanut inside each m perfectly coated with chocolate, 
surrounded by the crunchy shell, without leaving a slight dent on it, from 
where it was resting on the conveyor belt? 

2. Also, each peanut m is a slightly different size, yet they are each 
uniformly imprinted with an "m". Are they produced by an army of small handed 
candy stampers, or what?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 Aggregating Questions.. 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Some other questions.. sent through FFL by e-mail:

 

 In order for TMO to thrive and 

 continue being a force for good
 in the world, how "transparent"
 do the panel members think it
 should be: 100%, 50%, something else?
 

 PS I would be grateful if the topic of 

 transparency could be addressed
 before any other questions
 are entertained.

 

 #
Is it the central purpose of [Global Country of World Peace [GCWP] to simply 
act as one of a myriad of movement tax shelters for the "non-profit" world of 
the wealthy? 

 
 [ Reply to this post or lurkers can send other Q's you'd like to ask straight 
to the FFL list owner at:
 dhamiltony2k5 at yahoo.com   ]  The FFL list owner also has some channels to 
submit questions on
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Okay, I'll take a trip down memory lane. 

 Let's see the five "sattvic" foods, as I recall, were,
 

 almonds, honey, cherries, oranges, and probably something in the dairy line, I 
can't recall at the moment.
 

 And yes, in the back of my mind, I guess I still subscribe to this, to some 
extend.  Although, it's not really hard to do.  (-:
 

 but, does a hamburger once or twice a week count?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Google https://www.google.com/search?q=Peanuts+dull+the+mind%3F Peanuts Dull 
The Mind?
 

 Google Search the world's information, including webpages, images, videos and 
more. Google has many special feature... 
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera=Peanuts+dull+the+mind%3F=opera=UTF-8=UTF-8
 

 I am fond of peanuts as are birds, squirrels, rats, and other rodents. Blue 
jays head straight for them over other kinds of seeds. Smaller birds will try 
to carry off a large unshelled peanut in preference to a bird feeder. High fat 
and protein. Birds go for that. Birds will choose GMO seeds that have higher 
protein over natural ones of the same kind.
 

 The idea that peanuts are bad comes from their being hard to digest. About 30% 
of the fat in peanuts tends to not get digested. An Ayurvedic no no. If you get 
stranded in a winter wilderness with a lot of peanuts and you are Ayurvedic in 
dietary preferences, you die.
 

 Actually some Ayurvedic sources say to reduce, not necessarily eliminate 
peanuts.
 

 Peanuts have a strong odor, so perhaps that is another reason spiritually 
minded dogmatists are against them. 
 

 Also the Vedic people did not know about peanuts.
 

 India got its first peanuts in the 18th century. Vedic proscriptions do not 
specifically apply to the peanut as a result, modern Vedic-ites retrofitted 
proscriptions against nuts to them. 
 

 It's all about nuts, but it is not clear whether the proscribed articles are 
the food or the eater of the food or both. Let us say it is perhaps unhealthy 
to be around nuts according to this view.


 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:19 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of course, not. However, I'm experiencing tremendous cognitive dissonance 
because MMY did say that peanuts dull the mind. Thankfully, I still have a 
bottle of lorazepam to ease my suffering.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That the peanut M is roughly, in the shape of hiranyagarbha, did not escape 
your notice, I'm sure.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Just guessing here, but I imagine the chocolate surrounding the peanuts is 
applied with the same panning method as the outer shell coating. As such, the 
peanuts would be constantly tumbling as the coating is applied, so there would 
be no dents. That would assure the utmost in Vedic purity.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Here's a couple, possibly a little off-topic, but still toughies: 

1. How do they get the peanut inside each m perfectly coated with chocolate, 
surrounded by the crunchy shell, without leaving a slight dent on it, from 
where it was resting on the conveyor belt? 

2. Also, each peanut m is a slightly different size, yet they are each 
uniformly imprinted with an "m". Are they produced by an army of small handed 
candy stampers, or what?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 Aggregating Questions.. 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Some other questions.. sent through FFL by e-mail:

 

 In order for TMO to thrive and 

 continue being a force for good
 in the world, how "transparent"
 do the panel members think it
 should be: 100%, 50%, something else?
 

 PS I would be grateful if the topic of 

 transparency could be addressed
 before any other questions
 are entertained.

 

 #
Is it the central purpose of [Global Country of World Peace [GCWP] to simply 
act as one of a myriad of movement tax shelters for the "non-profit" world of 
the wealthy? 

 
 [ Reply to this post or lurkers can send other Q's you'd like to ask straight 
to the FFL list owner at:
 dhamiltony2k5 at yahoo.com   ]  The FFL list owner also has some channels to 
submit questions on
 up the chain.,, 
  
 #
 Someone else asks:
 Why is the US Brahmasthan being ignored by admin?

 

 #
 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of course, not. However, I'm experiencing tremendous cognitive dissonance 
because MMY did say that peanuts dull the mind. Thankfully, I still have a 
bottle of lorazepam to ease my suffering.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That the peanut M is roughly, in the shape of hiranyagarbha, did not escape 
your notice, I'm sure.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Just guessing here, but I imagine the chocolate surrounding the peanuts is 
applied with the same panning method as the outer shell coating. As such, the 
peanuts would be constantly tumbling as the coating is applied, so there would 
be no dents. That would assure the utmost in Vedic purity.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Here's a couple, possibly a little off-topic, but still toughies: 

1. How do they get the peanut inside each m perfectly coated with chocolate, 
surrounded by the crunchy shell, without leaving a slight dent on it, from 
where it was resting on the conveyor belt? 

2. Also, each peanut m is a slightly different size, yet they are each 
uniformly imprinted with an "m". Are they produced by an army of small handed 
candy stampers, or what?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 Aggregating Questions.. 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Some other questions.. sent through FFL by e-mail:

 

 In order for TMO to thrive and 

 continue being a force for good
 in the world, how "transparent"
 do the panel members think it
 should be: 100%, 50%, something else?
 

 PS I would be grateful if the topic of 

 transparency could be addressed
 before any other questions
 are entertained.

 

 #
Is it the central purpose of [Global Country of World Peace [GCWP] to simply 
act as one of a myriad of movement tax shelters for the "non-profit" world of 
the wealthy? 

 
 [ Reply to this post or lurkers can send other Q's you'd like to ask straight 
to the FFL list owner at:
 dhamiltony2k5 at yahoo.com   ]  The FFL list owner also has some channels to 
submit questions on
 up the chain.,, 
  
 #
 Someone else asks:
 Why is the US Brahmasthan being ignored by admin?

 

 #
 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was that all about?
 Did TM money bail him out and pay his legal fees?
 

 #
 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  
 Will "transcending" it make people richer?.
 
 Will "transcending" curing diseases?
 #
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 A panel coming up next week
 is looking for tough questions...
 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Anybody have questions of the TM movement to ask?
 

 Where is Dr. Pete?  He had particular question about
 the research.  
 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was that all about?
 

 Other Q's people have?
 

 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  Will it make people richer?.
 
 How about curing diseases?
 

 Is the peer reviewed research just cooked data?
 

 Yifuxero writes:
 I'm skeptical of the rationale and underlying assumptions..
 Would one of the conclusions be "Transcending will make you happy and TM is 
the preferred method of transcending".  OK fine...let's see some evidence.
 Likewise, with the other claims.
 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  Will it make people richer?.
 How about curing diseases?
 Make some real substantial claims followed by some good uncooked data; with 
perhaps a few citations of peer reviewed research by somebody outside of the 
TMO or MUM.
 If the claims are true, people in vast numbers should be flocking to a 
practice that has specified benefits.
 Will "transcending" help one in the midst of a Zombie Apocalypse?
 
 Will it extend one's lifespan?  (doesn't look like it in view of the stats 
coming from FF)
 

 Send Your Q's.. 
 I will aggregate Q’s from FFL and forward them on to the panel
 for the October 28th Meeting.
 

 Respond to this post/thread.
 

 Or,
 

 Anyone reading FFL but unable to post to FairfieldLife who have questions they 
would like asked
 Can send them to: 
 
 fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com
 

 I can include those too of the FFL 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Tough Q's

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That the peanut M is roughly, in the shape of hiranyagarbha, did not escape 
your notice, I'm sure.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Just guessing here, but I imagine the chocolate surrounding the peanuts is 
applied with the same panning method as the outer shell coating. As such, the 
peanuts would be constantly tumbling as the coating is applied, so there would 
be no dents. That would assure the utmost in Vedic purity.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here's a couple, possibly a little off-topic, but still toughies: 

1. How do they get the peanut inside each m perfectly coated with chocolate, 
surrounded by the crunchy shell, without leaving a slight dent on it, from 
where it was resting on the conveyor belt? 

2. Also, each peanut m is a slightly different size, yet they are each 
uniformly imprinted with an "m". Are they produced by an army of small handed 
candy stampers, or what?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 Aggregating Questions.. 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Some other questions.. sent through FFL by e-mail:

 

 In order for TMO to thrive and 

 continue being a force for good
 in the world, how "transparent"
 do the panel members think it
 should be: 100%, 50%, something else?
 

 PS I would be grateful if the topic of 

 transparency could be addressed
 before any other questions
 are entertained.

 

 #
Is it the central purpose of [Global Country of World Peace [GCWP] to simply 
act as one of a myriad of movement tax shelters for the "non-profit" world of 
the wealthy? 

 
 [ Reply to this post or lurkers can send other Q's you'd like to ask straight 
to the FFL list owner at:
 dhamiltony2k5 at yahoo.com   ]  The FFL list owner also has some channels to 
submit questions on
 up the chain.,, 
  
 #
 Someone else asks:
 Why is the US Brahmasthan being ignored by admin?

 

 #
 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was that all about?
 Did TM money bail him out and pay his legal fees?
 

 #
 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  
 Will "transcending" it make people richer?.
 
 Will "transcending" curing diseases?
 #
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 A panel coming up next week
 is looking for tough questions...
 

 All the Hard Questions You Thought We Couldn’t Answer

 

 Anybody have questions of the TM movement to ask?
 

 Where is Dr. Pete?  He had particular question about
 the research.  
 

 What else?
 

 Like, where did all the money go?
 

 Who is TM now?
 How does the org work?
 Could they share actual certified financial statements?
 Balance sheet that includes all the reaches of the movement?
 What is TM's relationship to the Indian Movement now?
 Is Girish out of jail?  What was that all about?
 

 Other Q's people have?
 

 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  Will it make people richer?.
 
 How about curing diseases?
 

 Is the peer reviewed research just cooked data?
 

 Yifuxero writes:
 I'm skeptical of the rationale and underlying assumptions..
 Would one of the conclusions be "Transcending will make you happy and TM is 
the preferred method of transcending".  OK fine...let's see some evidence.
 Likewise, with the other claims.
 Will "transcending" offset bad karma.  Will it make people richer?.
 How about curing diseases?
 Make some real substantial claims followed by some good uncooked data; with 
perhaps a few citations of peer reviewed research by somebody outside of the 
TMO or MUM.
 If the claims are true, people in vast numbers should be flocking to a 
practice that has specified benefits.
 Will "transcending" help one in the midst of a Zombie Apocalypse?
 
 Will it extend one's lifespan?  (doesn't look like it in view of the stats 
coming from FF)
 

 Send Your Q's.. 
 I will aggregate Q’s from FFL and forward them on to the panel
 for the October 28th Meeting.
 

 Respond to this post/thread.
 

 Or,
 

 Anyone reading FFL but unable to post to FairfieldLife who have questions they 
would like asked
 Can send them to: 
 
 fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com
 

 I can include those too of the FFL lurkers,  
 

 -JaiGuruYou


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

apropos of nothing, I remember from my MIU first year Philosophy class with 
Jonathan Shear (?), "ought implies can" from some or other Greek philosopher. 

 I always kinda liked that.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On Oct 25, 2016, at 11:33 AM, feste37  wrote:
 
 

When someone tells me it is my "moral obligation" to do something, I reach for 
my revolver.
 

 Not to mention your wallet.
 

 

  Enough of such pontificating! If you want to go the dome and enjoy it, then 
by all means go, but don't be browbeaten by the "moral obligation" police. 
 

 Funny thing is, I’m pretty sure Doug still isn’t even allowed in, yet he 
shills for them.  
 

 And no word on who is actually sending these questionable emails.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 By e-mail to FFL,   "I agree.I also think it is ok to suggest to all 
meditators, meditators and all of old TM teachers, governors, Re-cert teachers, 
sidhas, old MIU alumni, MUM, MSAE, old Purusha and Mother Divine alumni, 
 that there is a moral obligation to attend the group meditations and dome as 
often as they can-and especially when we need it most." ..
 Let me apprise you, then: we intend, in spite of the rules of war, to attack 
this with meditation, this which appears nearly twice and a hundred times our 
strength, wherever we find it. The question is not of their numbers or the 
strength of their agitations or material position; all this by courage, by the 
skill of our methods, we will try to make good. This step we must ask, or 
everything is lost. We must beat back the chaos, the commotion of these times, 
or perish all of us before its batteries.

 So we read the case; so we will act in it.  It is time to collectively rally 
to meditation for all that we hold dear. There is good in life. We must risk 
everything now.  

 We ask your help to be with us now in a meditation of coherence.  Come now.  
Come quickly and assemble. There is ample housing and stores of plenty here to 
keep you here.  Certainly it is up to you to assemble.  

 You might stay at home alone in a comfort of your room but never will you be 
able to do so great a thing as to assemble with this now.  Come quickly as you 
can, come now to Fairfield, Iowa for the enhancement of a collective peace in 
meditation. Arrange your affairs quickly and come directly.

 In numbers gathered close it will be our great honor and privilege to be 
meditating together with you alongside. Come join in the collective practice of 
group meditation. We flatter ourselves, therefore, that, in this case, too, 
nothing will be wanting which the Community has a right to expect of your 
valor. It is time to assemble in collective meditation.
Jai Guru You!  -Doug in Fairfield, Iowa  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Meditators everywhere, it is quite time to elect 
 

 coherence in group meditation.
 

  It is time to assemble in collective meditation.

 

 The hour is at hand.

 

We ask your help to be with us now in a meditation of coherence.  Come now.  
Come quickly and assemble. There is ample housing and stores of plenty here to 
keep you here.  Certainly it is up to you to assemble.  
 
You might stay at home alone in a comfort of your room but never will you be 
able to do so great a thing as to assemble with this now.  Come quickly as you 
can, come now to Fairfield, Iowa for the enhancement of a collective peace in 
meditation. Arrange your affairs quickly and come directly.
 -JaiGuruYou
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Friends of meditating, we are 15 days out. The Presidential contest is close 
enough I'm feeling that if we don't whip this right now with meditating 
collectively in proximity we just might lose the whole thing. As we know by 
experience and the science, numbers meditating and their proximity do matter in 
collective meditation.
  
 I would personally be grateful to you if you would join us now, join us in 
meditating in Fairfield, Iowa. 

 This is not a usual fight. People often fight for money or land and things but 
we are meditating for each other here. Come join us in this rare fight.  

 We could use your help. Come join with us now in a collective group of 
meditation, in Fairfield, Iowa! 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Meditators, I would personally be grateful to you if you would join us now, 
join us in meditating and at the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa. This is not a usual 
fight. People often fight for money or land and things but we are meditating 
for each other here. Come join us in this rare fight. -JaiGuruYou 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I'd say it's a pretty good position.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 My position, and the position of most idealistic transcendentalists, is that 
we infer, based on the fact of being conscious, that consciousness itself is 
the ultimate reality. Without consciousness, we would not exist. 

And, I accept that inference is a valid means of knowledge. Thoughts and ideas, 
not being material objects, cannot be perceived; they can only be inferred. 

Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it people would not be 
conscious - there would be no perception. This is a dirt simple fact of life 
requiring no further proof.  

No rational person would claim that they don't exist, unless they were insane 
or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves enough to 
know that we exist and are self-conscious. 

So, we all have a constructed character of knowing that is self-consciousness 
itself: the inherent DNA in the human bio-computer. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Information is important in reality and in virtual reality.  Information is 
important for consciousness to create reality.  Tom Campbell, a former TMer, 
explains this based on the experiments with light as shown in the link below:
 

 http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhMIz_iJtzQ 
http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhMIz_iJtzQ

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Obviously the system is rigged, but not by an outside power, but by our own 
actions in the present and in the past. Life is what happens to you and what 
you do back. Only an Intelligent Agent could create anything or cause change at 
will - meta-programming the human bio-computer.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Many people think that life in the world is a simulation.  The proof of this 
is the jyotish technique called Brighu Saral Paddhati which essentially shows 
the programming of our lives based on the planets in the jyotish chart.  See 
the article by Yuvraj Singh:
 

 Astrology Articles - Saptarishis Digital Astrology Magazine 
http://saptarishisastrology.com/astrology_articles.php 
 
 http://saptarishisastrology.com/astrology_articles.php
 
 Astrology Articles - Saptarishis Digital Astrology Magaz... 
http://saptarishisastrology.com/astrology_articles.php Saptarishis Astrology's 
mission is to be a publisher of useful and rare techniques of Vedic and Western 
astrlogy in the form of digital magazine and articles.


 
 View on saptarishisastrology.com 
http://saptarishisastrology.com/astrology_articles.php
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 

 But I'm still hopeful of free will in our lives, especially if one meditates.  
Those who don't meditate IMO don't have a method to ease the pain  of karma, or 
transcend karma altogether.
 

 IOW, it is a scientific fact that light functions as a wave and a particle.  
But knowledge tells us that light is both.  It would be false to say that light 
functions as one or the other.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 I'm not a believer at all in free will. Most research is leaning towards that 
it doesn't exist. But enjoy the show anyway and if you do you were 
"predestined" to.
 
 I think that we are all just playing out our parts in a great script that if 
really just based on a mathematical formula (or what would be one if math folks 
discovered it).  What happens if you meditate you come more into alignment with 
that force and you will be less disturbed by it.
 
 So stopping meditating won't change anything either except maybe the way you 
feel.
 
 

 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Iowa

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nice to hear.  Thanks for the report.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The presentation was by the kids. It was great. Jaw-dropping good.
 Incredibly high-order thinking
 on their feet throughout.
 By what is consciously called
 and self-identified,
 The generation of future leaders. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, "difficult demographics" is the relevant term, across the board I'd say. 

 We had a good shot at the apple.  Back in the day, world population was 3.6 
mil. That was the basis of the "World Plan".  Centers located all over.  But 
now the old guard is dying off, and we're not far behind.  
 

 "Perfect health in the direction of immortality." Not so much, I guess.
 

 But, I'm not complaining.  It got me out a funk.  (-:
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I wondered the same thing on reading the title.
 If it was University age/level students it likely would be a more 
feisty/critical meeting.
 

 I am betting it will present what projects the school kids are doing for the 
good of society and the world.
 Apparently the school like the rest of education had gone over to more 
standard core curricula and testing but as with the general reaction going on 
in education to core-cirrc the school is now moving into project-based and 
critical-thinking learning. 
 

The journalist in me would have wanted to go see university students reflect. 
But I will go up there and see this one in a little while too.  The school is 
charting along with difficult demographics.   I would like to hear the update 
on how it is going.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm not sure I get it.  Refuse to accept what things the way they are?  TMO 
things,or on a altruistic note, the state of the world things? 

 But it is open to the public, so maybe it's the altruistic theme.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We Refuse to Accept Things the Way They Are
Maharishi School Students in Action: A Lively Panel Discussion with Our Next 
Generation of Leaders
Moderated by Ellen Akst Jones, Chair, Maharishi School
Board of Directors
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome.
 Monday, Oct. 24, 8:00 PM

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Also, 
 a 2pm practice today for
 the communal sing
 of Handel's Messiah.
 51 N. Court Street
 Fairfield, Iowa
 23 October
 A No-badge meeting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 Progress on the Path to Global Raam Raj
Sunday, Oct. 23, 2:00 PM

 Inspiration from around the World, with Highlights from the Invincible America 
Assembly
Dr. Bevan Morris, DSCI (via Skype)
Prime Minister of the GCWP
International President of Maharishi Universities of Management
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM-Sidhas. Please bring TM-Sidhi ID.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Skeptics’ Night
Open Discussion with Community and Experts
on the Maharishi Effect
 Saturday, Oct. 22, 8:00 PM 

 Chair: Dr. David Orme-Johnson, Former Chair of MUM Psychology Dept.
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM-Sidhas. Please bring TM-SidhiSM ID.

 

 Saturday, Oct. 22, 1:30 PM
 Physics of the Maharishi Effect
How to Exploit Quantum Entanglement and Quantum Teleportation on a Massive Scale
Dr. John Hagelin, President of MUM
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Today, Friday, Oct. 21, 8:00 PM 
Behind-the-Scenes Adventures
Stories of Working for Maharishi in Mozambique and Israel
Vicki Alexander Herriott, JD, LLM, Chair, MUM Dept. of Management
Dr. Carolyn King, MUM Professor of Physiology and Health
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators. 

 

 Thursday, Oct. 20, 8:00 PM
Your Brain In-Between Mantras
Silence Is the New Dynamism
Dr. Fred Travis, Chairman, MUM Department of Maharishi Vedic Science
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wednesday, Oct. 19, 8:00 PM 

Transcending in Myth & Literature  
Dr. Rhoda Orme-Johnson,  Former Chair of MUM Literature Department

 MUM campus, Dalby Hall. 
 

 Free. Open to the public. All welcome.


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tuesday, Oct. 18, 8:00 PM 
What Is Real? What Is Not Real?
Maharishi on Reality and Maya
(Evening 2 of a 2-evening series: The Not-Real)
Dr. Evan Finkelstein, MUM Adjunct Professor of 
Maharishi Vedic Science
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Free. Open to the public. All welcome.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Today, On campus at Dalby Hall:
 Designing Homes and Cities in Harmony
with Natural Law

 

Monday, Oct. 17, 2:00 PM 

Maharishi Vastu Architecture and Planning
 

---In 

[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Iowa

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, "difficult demographics" is the relevant term, across the board I'd say. 

 We had a good shot at the apple.  Back in the day, world population was 3.6 
mil. That was the basis of the "World Plan".  Centers located all over.  But 
now the old guard is dying off, and we're not far behind.  
 

 "Perfect health in the direction of immortality." Not so much, I guess.
 

 But, I'm not complaining.  It got me out a funk.  (-:
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I wondered the same thing on reading the title.
 If it was University age/level students it likely would be a more 
feisty/critical meeting.
 

 I am betting it will present what projects the school kids are doing for the 
good of society and the world.
 Apparently the school like the rest of education had gone over to more 
standard core curricula and testing but as with the general reaction going on 
in education to core-cirrc the school is now moving into project-based and 
critical-thinking learning. 
 

The journalist in me would have wanted to go see university students reflect. 
But I will go up there and see this one in a little while too.  The school is 
charting along with difficult demographics.   I would like to hear the update 
on how it is going.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm not sure I get it.  Refuse to accept what things the way they are?  TMO 
things,or on a altruistic note, the state of the world things? 

 But it is open to the public, so maybe it's the altruistic theme.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We Refuse to Accept Things the Way They Are
Maharishi School Students in Action: A Lively Panel Discussion with Our Next 
Generation of Leaders
Moderated by Ellen Akst Jones, Chair, Maharishi School
Board of Directors
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome.
 Monday, Oct. 24, 8:00 PM

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Also, 
 a 2pm practice today for
 the communal sing
 of Handel's Messiah.
 51 N. Court Street
 Fairfield, Iowa
 23 October
 A No-badge meeting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 Progress on the Path to Global Raam Raj
Sunday, Oct. 23, 2:00 PM

 Inspiration from around the World, with Highlights from the Invincible America 
Assembly
Dr. Bevan Morris, DSCI (via Skype)
Prime Minister of the GCWP
International President of Maharishi Universities of Management
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM-Sidhas. Please bring TM-Sidhi ID.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Skeptics’ Night
Open Discussion with Community and Experts
on the Maharishi Effect
 Saturday, Oct. 22, 8:00 PM 

 Chair: Dr. David Orme-Johnson, Former Chair of MUM Psychology Dept.
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM-Sidhas. Please bring TM-SidhiSM ID.

 

 Saturday, Oct. 22, 1:30 PM
 Physics of the Maharishi Effect
How to Exploit Quantum Entanglement and Quantum Teleportation on a Massive Scale
Dr. John Hagelin, President of MUM
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Today, Friday, Oct. 21, 8:00 PM 
Behind-the-Scenes Adventures
Stories of Working for Maharishi in Mozambique and Israel
Vicki Alexander Herriott, JD, LLM, Chair, MUM Dept. of Management
Dr. Carolyn King, MUM Professor of Physiology and Health
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators. 

 

 Thursday, Oct. 20, 8:00 PM
Your Brain In-Between Mantras
Silence Is the New Dynamism
Dr. Fred Travis, Chairman, MUM Department of Maharishi Vedic Science
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wednesday, Oct. 19, 8:00 PM 

Transcending in Myth & Literature  
Dr. Rhoda Orme-Johnson,  Former Chair of MUM Literature Department

 MUM campus, Dalby Hall. 
 

 Free. Open to the public. All welcome.


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tuesday, Oct. 18, 8:00 PM 
What Is Real? What Is Not Real?
Maharishi on Reality and Maya
(Evening 2 of a 2-evening series: The Not-Real)
Dr. Evan Finkelstein, MUM Adjunct Professor of 
Maharishi Vedic Science
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Free. Open to the public. All welcome.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Today, On campus at Dalby Hall:
 Designing Homes and Cities in Harmony
with Natural Law

 

Monday, Oct. 17, 2:00 PM 

Maharishi Vastu Architecture and Planning
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Monday, Oct. 17, 8:00 PM 
What Is Real? What Is Not Real?
Maharishi on Reality and Maya
(Evening 1 of a 2-evening series: The Real)
Dr. Evan Finkelstein, MUM Adjunct Professor of 
Maharishi Vedic ScienceSM
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome.

 














  

[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Iowa

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I'm not sure I get it.  Refuse to accept what things the way they are?  TMO 
things,or on a altruistic note, the state of the world things? 

 But it is open to the public, so maybe it's the altruistic theme.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We Refuse to Accept Things the Way They Are
Maharishi School Students in Action: A Lively Panel Discussion with Our Next 
Generation of Leaders
Moderated by Ellen Akst Jones, Chair, Maharishi School
Board of Directors
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome.
 Monday, Oct. 24, 8:00 PM

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Also, 
 a 2pm practice today for
 the communal sing
 of Handel's Messiah.
 51 N. Court Street
 Fairfield, Iowa
 23 October
 A No-badge meeting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 Progress on the Path to Global Raam Raj
Sunday, Oct. 23, 2:00 PM

 Inspiration from around the World, with Highlights from the Invincible America 
Assembly
Dr. Bevan Morris, DSCI (via Skype)
Prime Minister of the GCWP
International President of Maharishi Universities of Management
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM-Sidhas. Please bring TM-Sidhi ID.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Skeptics’ Night
Open Discussion with Community and Experts
on the Maharishi Effect
 Saturday, Oct. 22, 8:00 PM 

 Chair: Dr. David Orme-Johnson, Former Chair of MUM Psychology Dept.
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM-Sidhas. Please bring TM-SidhiSM ID.

 

 Saturday, Oct. 22, 1:30 PM
 Physics of the Maharishi Effect
How to Exploit Quantum Entanglement and Quantum Teleportation on a Massive Scale
Dr. John Hagelin, President of MUM
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Today, Friday, Oct. 21, 8:00 PM 
Behind-the-Scenes Adventures
Stories of Working for Maharishi in Mozambique and Israel
Vicki Alexander Herriott, JD, LLM, Chair, MUM Dept. of Management
Dr. Carolyn King, MUM Professor of Physiology and Health
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators. 

 

 Thursday, Oct. 20, 8:00 PM
Your Brain In-Between Mantras
Silence Is the New Dynamism
Dr. Fred Travis, Chairman, MUM Department of Maharishi Vedic Science
Dalby Hall. Free. For TM meditators.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wednesday, Oct. 19, 8:00 PM 

Transcending in Myth & Literature  
Dr. Rhoda Orme-Johnson,  Former Chair of MUM Literature Department

 MUM campus, Dalby Hall. 
 

 Free. Open to the public. All welcome.


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tuesday, Oct. 18, 8:00 PM 
What Is Real? What Is Not Real?
Maharishi on Reality and Maya
(Evening 2 of a 2-evening series: The Not-Real)
Dr. Evan Finkelstein, MUM Adjunct Professor of 
Maharishi Vedic Science
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Free. Open to the public. All welcome.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Today, On campus at Dalby Hall:
 Designing Homes and Cities in Harmony
with Natural Law

 

Monday, Oct. 17, 2:00 PM 

Maharishi Vastu Architecture and Planning
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Monday, Oct. 17, 8:00 PM 
What Is Real? What Is Not Real?
Maharishi on Reality and Maya
(Evening 1 of a 2-evening series: The Real)
Dr. Evan Finkelstein, MUM Adjunct Professor of 
Maharishi Vedic ScienceSM
Dalby Hall. Free. Open to the public. All welcome.

 














  

[FairfieldLife] Re: A 5pm Weekday Group Meditation also for Fairfield No-badge-nik Meditators

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Doug, you got company!
 

 Might need to bring in reinforcements from the rear guard.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 TM and Quaker meetings don't go together, when we sit down using TM
we use a mantra, learning TM we learn how to use that, we can meditate on bus 
or anywhere, but we are ignoring the outside noise. At a quaker meeting the, 
impulse to speak is defined  as the word of god.  If they want me to go to the 
Dome and give a speech during mediation, than maybe we can go to a Quaker 
meeting and tell them we are meditating.
The silents we have during a Quaker meeting is drawn deeper with the impulse to 
speak the word of god. but once someone says something its starts to be drawn 
away.  If they had to rename the Quaker meeting they should call them spiritual 
hacks.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve, Come Back!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ok, good.  We are just blocks away from the main Hispanic area here, and I have 
an errand every weekend that takes me into the Hispanic area of nearby 
Illinois, which is, by coincidence, right where the Cahokia Mounds are located.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Venture into the barrio and find a Mexican deli or grocery that makes their 
own fresh.  Don't know if you have them there but here there's one down by the 
Shell refinery that makes their own salsa. Good stuff.
 
 On 10/23/2016 06:34 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Yea, I know, I've tried several brands.  All decent.  But, this was made 
fresh at the restaurant, usually right when I would order it, and it just had 
that right combination of ingredients.  Sorta like how the tomato sauce can 
make or break a pizza.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Check your local grocery for salsa verde.  It's very common.  I have a 
hole-in-the-wall take out at the top of the hill that has good food but their 
prices keep going up.  I recently got their smallest burrito and made a not 
next time to just get a soft taco which is like a small burrito as even the 
small burrito was too filling.
 
 On 10/23/2016 04:44 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   We had a Mexican restaurant close by that had the most awesome salsa verde, 
(green sauce, as I would call it).
 
 
 They closed, and bye bye to my green sauce.  For the next month I carted the 
family to every other Mexican restaurant close by in search of comparable salsa 
verde, with no success.
 
 
 Serenity prayer.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 There is a chain in the Bay Area named El Pollo Loco (the crazy chicken).  I 
used to get food there when they had a Walnut Creek place.
 
 On 10/23/2016 04:01 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   So I'm taking a walk with my wife and telling her this story, and tell her 
"Pollo Carbon", (several times) and she's not getting it, and she speaks 
Spanish, so finally she says, "spell it", and I do, and she says, "Pollyo" 
chicken.  It is a "y" sound when there are two "l's"
 

 Figures.  (-:
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 Hey, you know what sign I saw today on my usual weekend run in the Hispanic 
part of town at a new restaurant, "Pollo Carbon" 
 
 I mean, it took me just a second to figure it out, but it made me smile.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
 
 Well, if you didn't do it, and I didn't do it, then it seems only fair to 
restore his posting, which I just did. With any luck, he's just out on a BBQ 
bender, comatose on crispy snoots and sauce.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
 
 No, I didn't do nothing around Steve 7Ray. 

 Maybe he did something in his own settings when he was saying he was leaving.
 I did notice he was at the receiving end of some demeaning personalized posting
 that went beyond consideration of ccontent and he
 said he had enough of that. 
 

  I always appreciated his content too.!  7Ray was perceptive and I miss him 
too. 
 

 List owner and moderator,
 -Dug Jung Un 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 He is still subscribed, but his posting has been disabled. Unfortunately, the 
stupid Yahoo interface is showing no record of his posting being yanked. All I 
know is that I had nothing to with this. My guess is that Doug pulled the plug, 
and a Yahoo glitch prevented the action from showing up in the moderator 
activity log. Questions should be directed to Doug: dhamiltony2k5 @ Yahoo.com
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 Get back over here, Steve. I miss your posts.


  











 
 



 
 


 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yea, I had just taken a break.  Nice to be back in posting mode.  

 Thanks   (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You're back, you crazy, grilled chicken you.



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve, Come Back!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yea, I know, I've tried several brands.  All decent.  But, this was made fresh 
at the restaurant, usually right when I would order it, and it just had that 
right combination of ingredients.  Sorta like how the tomato sauce can make or 
break a pizza.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Check your local grocery for salsa verde.  It's very common.  I have a 
hole-in-the-wall take out at the top of the hill that has good food but their 
prices keep going up.  I recently got their smallest burrito and made a not 
next time to just get a soft taco which is like a small burrito as even the 
small burrito was too filling.
 
 On 10/23/2016 04:44 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   We had a Mexican restaurant close by that had the most awesome salsa verde, 
(green sauce, as I would call it).
 
 
 They closed, and bye bye to my green sauce.  For the next month I carted the 
family to every other Mexican restaurant close by in search of comparable salsa 
verde, with no success.
 
 
 Serenity prayer.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 There is a chain in the Bay Area named El Pollo Loco (the crazy chicken).  I 
used to get food there when they had a Walnut Creek place.
 
 On 10/23/2016 04:01 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   So I'm taking a walk with my wife and telling her this story, and tell her 
"Pollo Carbon", (several times) and she's not getting it, and she speaks 
Spanish, so finally she says, "spell it", and I do, and she says, "Pollyo" 
chicken.  It is a "y" sound when there are two "l's"
 

 Figures.  (-:
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 Hey, you know what sign I saw today on my usual weekend run in the Hispanic 
part of town at a new restaurant, "Pollo Carbon" 
 
 I mean, it took me just a second to figure it out, but it made me smile.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
 
 Well, if you didn't do it, and I didn't do it, then it seems only fair to 
restore his posting, which I just did. With any luck, he's just out on a BBQ 
bender, comatose on crispy snoots and sauce.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
 
 No, I didn't do nothing around Steve 7Ray. 

 Maybe he did something in his own settings when he was saying he was leaving.
 I did notice he was at the receiving end of some demeaning personalized posting
 that went beyond consideration of ccontent and he
 said he had enough of that. 
 

  I always appreciated his content too.!  7Ray was perceptive and I miss him 
too. 
 

 List owner and moderator,
 -Dug Jung Un 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 He is still subscribed, but his posting has been disabled. Unfortunately, the 
stupid Yahoo interface is showing no record of his posting being yanked. All I 
know is that I had nothing to with this. My guess is that Doug pulled the plug, 
and a Yahoo glitch prevented the action from showing up in the moderator 
activity log. Questions should be directed to Doug: dhamiltony2k5 @ Yahoo.com
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 Get back over here, Steve. I miss your posts.


  











 
 



 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve, Come Back!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

We had a Mexican restaurant close by that had the most awesome salsa verde, 
(green sauce, as I would call it). 

 They closed, and bye bye to my green sauce.  For the next month I carted the 
family to every other Mexican restaurant close by in search of comparable salsa 
verde, with no success.
 

 Serenity prayer.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is a chain in the Bay Area named El Pollo Loco (the crazy chicken).  I 
used to get food there when they had a Walnut Creek place.
 
 On 10/23/2016 04:01 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   So I'm taking a walk with my wife and telling her this story, and tell her 
"Pollo Carbon", (several times) and she's not getting it, and she speaks 
Spanish, so finally she says, "spell it", and I do, and she says, "Pollyo" 
chicken.  It is a "y" sound when there are two "l's"
 

 Figures.  (-:
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 Hey, you know what sign I saw today on my usual weekend run in the Hispanic 
part of town at a new restaurant, "Pollo Carbon" 
 
 I mean, it took me just a second to figure it out, but it made me smile.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
 
 Well, if you didn't do it, and I didn't do it, then it seems only fair to 
restore his posting, which I just did. With any luck, he's just out on a BBQ 
bender, comatose on crispy snoots and sauce.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
 
 No, I didn't do nothing around Steve 7Ray. 

 Maybe he did something in his own settings when he was saying he was leaving.
 I did notice he was at the receiving end of some demeaning personalized posting
 that went beyond consideration of ccontent and he
 said he had enough of that. 
 

  I always appreciated his content too.!  7Ray was perceptive and I miss him 
too. 
 

 List owner and moderator,
 -Dug Jung Un 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 He is still subscribed, but his posting has been disabled. Unfortunately, the 
stupid Yahoo interface is showing no record of his posting being yanked. All I 
know is that I had nothing to with this. My guess is that Doug pulled the plug, 
and a Yahoo glitch prevented the action from showing up in the moderator 
activity log. Questions should be directed to Doug: dhamiltony2k5 @ Yahoo.com
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 Get back over here, Steve. I miss your posts.


  











 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve, Come Back!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So I'm taking a walk with my wife and telling her this story, and tell her 
"Pollo Carbon", (several times) and she's not getting it, and she speaks 
Spanish, so finally she says, "spell it", and I do, and she says, "Pollyo" 
chicken.  It is a "y" sound when there are two "l's" 

 Figures.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hey, you know what sign I saw today on my usual weekend run in the Hispanic 
part of town at a new restaurant, "Pollo Carbon" 

 I mean, it took me just a second to figure it out, but it made me smile.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, if you didn't do it, and I didn't do it, then it seems only fair to 
restore his posting, which I just did. With any luck, he's just out on a BBQ 
bender, comatose on crispy snoots and sauce.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, I didn't do nothing around Steve 7Ray. 

 Maybe he did something in his own settings when he was saying he was leaving.
 I did notice he was at the receiving end of some demeaning personalized posting
 that went beyond consideration of ccontent and he
 said he had enough of that. 
 

  I always appreciated his content too.  7Ray was perceptive and I miss him 
too. 
 

 List owner and moderator,
 -Dug Jung Un 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 He is still subscribed, but his posting has been disabled. Unfortunately, the 
stupid Yahoo interface is showing no record of his posting being yanked. All I 
know is that I had nothing to with this. My guess is that Doug pulled the plug, 
and a Yahoo glitch prevented the action from showing up in the moderator 
activity log. Questions should be directed to Doug: dhamiltony2k5 @ Yahoo.com


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Get back over here, Steve. I miss your posts.


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Steve, Come Back!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

We saw the movie remake a few years ago (2011), which we enjoyed very much. 

 My wife's favorite piece of literature would be "Little Women", or at least 
one of her favorites.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'll take Jane Eyre over Malcolm X any day of the week. Far more entertaining. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Don’t sell literature short, and  Jane Eyre is fabulous.  It may not be the 
Autobiography of Malcolm X, but for its time it broke all sorts of barriers, 
talking about things that nobody else was, at least not in “polite” society. 

 Your daughter made an excellent choice.
 
 Sal 
 

 




On Oct 23, 2016, at 4:10 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

Awesome book, wasn't it?  The take away line for me, was, "by any means 
necessary." 

 Little aside: my daughter in her senior year of HS had to select a book.  
Malcolm X was one of them and I gave her the strongest encouragement to select 
it.  But at the last minute, for some reason, she ended up going with Jane 
Eyre, or something.  )-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 “Sometimes you have to pick the gun up to put the Gun down.”
 ― Malcolm “Steve” X
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Me too. But I will post them all the same:

First they came for Steve . . . 


We are all Steve now . . . 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Good to know.  Thanks for clearing that up.   

 Only now I won’t get to post any of the jokes or punchlines I was working on.  
As Trump might say:  sad!
 
 Sal 
 

 





On Oct 23, 2016, at 12:23 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

No, I didn't do nothing around Steve 7Ray. 

 Maybe he did something in his own settings when he was saying he was leaving.
 I did notice he was at the receiving end of some demeaning personalized posting
 that went beyond consideration of ccontent and he
 said he had enough of that. 
 

  I always appreciated his content too.  7Ray was perceptive and I miss him 
too. 
 

 List owner and moderator,
 -Dug Jung Un 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 He is still subscribed, but his posting has been disabled. Unfortunately, the 
stupid Yahoo interface is showing no record of his posting being yanked. All I 
know is that I had nothing to with this. My guess is that Doug pulled the plug, 
and a Yahoo glitch prevented the action from showing up in the moderator 
activity log. Questions should be directed to Doug: dhamiltony2k5 @ Yahoo.com 
http://yahoo.com/


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Get back over here, Steve. I miss your posts.


  




 
















 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Steve, Come Back!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Actually, my wife informs me it was Anna Karenina.  And I think Jane Eyre would 
have been a better choice.  As she had a knack of filling me in with the 
details, it sounded a bit like the Twilight Saga.  But what do I know.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Don’t sell literature short, and  Jane Eyre is fabulous.  It may not be the 
Autobiography of Malcolm X, but for its time it broke all sorts of barriers, 
talking about things that nobody else was, at least not in “polite” society. 

 Your daughter made an excellent choice.
 
 Sal 
 

 




On Oct 23, 2016, at 4:10 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

Awesome book, wasn't it?  The take away line for me, was, "by any means 
necessary." 

 Little aside: my daughter in her senior year of HS had to select a book.  
Malcolm X was one of them and I gave her the strongest encouragement to select 
it.  But at the last minute, for some reason, she ended up going with Jane 
Eyre, or something.  )-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 “Sometimes you have to pick the gun up to put the Gun down.”
 ― Malcolm “Steve” X
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Me too. But I will post them all the same:

First they came for Steve . . . 


We are all Steve now . . . 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Good to know.  Thanks for clearing that up.   

 Only now I won’t get to post any of the jokes or punchlines I was working on.  
As Trump might say:  sad!
 
 Sal 
 

 





On Oct 23, 2016, at 12:23 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

No, I didn't do nothing around Steve 7Ray. 

 Maybe he did something in his own settings when he was saying he was leaving.
 I did notice he was at the receiving end of some demeaning personalized posting
 that went beyond consideration of ccontent and he
 said he had enough of that. 
 

  I always appreciated his content too.  7Ray was perceptive and I miss him 
too. 
 

 List owner and moderator,
 -Dug Jung Un 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 He is still subscribed, but his posting has been disabled. Unfortunately, the 
stupid Yahoo interface is showing no record of his posting being yanked. All I 
know is that I had nothing to with this. My guess is that Doug pulled the plug, 
and a Yahoo glitch prevented the action from showing up in the moderator 
activity log. Questions should be directed to Doug: dhamiltony2k5 @ Yahoo.com 
http://yahoo.com/


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Get back over here, Steve. I miss your posts.


  




 
















 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Steve, Come Back!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Awesome book, wasn't it?  The take away line for me, was, "by any means 
necessary." 

 Little aside: my daughter in her senior year of HS had to select a book.  
Malcolm X was one of them and I gave her the strongest encouragement to select 
it.  But at the last minute, for some reason, she ended up going with Jane 
Eyre, or something.  )-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “Sometimes you have to pick the gun up to put the Gun down.”
 ― Malcolm “Steve” X
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Me too. But I will post them all the same:

First they came for Steve . . . 


We are all Steve now . . . 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good to know.  Thanks for clearing that up.   

 Only now I won’t get to post any of the jokes or punchlines I was working on.  
As Trump might say:  sad!
 
 Sal 
 

 





On Oct 23, 2016, at 12:23 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

No, I didn't do nothing around Steve 7Ray. 

 Maybe he did something in his own settings when he was saying he was leaving.
 I did notice he was at the receiving end of some demeaning personalized posting
 that went beyond consideration of ccontent and he
 said he had enough of that. 
 

  I always appreciated his content too.  7Ray was perceptive and I miss him 
too. 
 

 List owner and moderator,
 -Dug Jung Un 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 He is still subscribed, but his posting has been disabled. Unfortunately, the 
stupid Yahoo interface is showing no record of his posting being yanked. All I 
know is that I had nothing to with this. My guess is that Doug pulled the plug, 
and a Yahoo glitch prevented the action from showing up in the moderator 
activity log. Questions should be directed to Doug: dhamiltony2k5 @ Yahoo.com 
http://yahoo.com/


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Get back over here, Steve. I miss your posts.


  




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Steve, Come Back!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Uh oh.  Am I a target for goblins or something. Tis the season, ya know!  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Me too. But I will post them all the same:

First they came for Steve . . . 


We are all Steve now . . . 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good to know.  Thanks for clearing that up.   

 Only now I won’t get to post any of the jokes or punchlines I was working on.  
As Trump might say:  sad!
 
 Sal 
 

 





On Oct 23, 2016, at 12:23 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

No, I didn't do nothing around Steve 7Ray. 

 Maybe he did something in his own settings when he was saying he was leaving.
 I did notice he was at the receiving end of some demeaning personalized posting
 that went beyond consideration of ccontent and he
 said he had enough of that. 
 

  I always appreciated his content too.  7Ray was perceptive and I miss him 
too. 
 

 List owner and moderator,
 -Dug Jung Un 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 He is still subscribed, but his posting has been disabled. Unfortunately, the 
stupid Yahoo interface is showing no record of his posting being yanked. All I 
know is that I had nothing to with this. My guess is that Doug pulled the plug, 
and a Yahoo glitch prevented the action from showing up in the moderator 
activity log. Questions should be directed to Doug: dhamiltony2k5 @ Yahoo.com 
http://yahoo.com/


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Get back over here, Steve. I miss your posts.


  




 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve, Come Back!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hey, you know what sign I saw today on my usual weekend run in the Hispanic 
part of town at a new restaurant, "Pollo Carbon" 

 I mean, it took me just a second to figure it out, but it made me smile.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, if you didn't do it, and I didn't do it, then it seems only fair to 
restore his posting, which I just did. With any luck, he's just out on a BBQ 
bender, comatose on crispy snoots and sauce.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, I didn't do nothing around Steve 7Ray. 

 Maybe he did something in his own settings when he was saying he was leaving.
 I did notice he was at the receiving end of some demeaning personalized posting
 that went beyond consideration of ccontent and he
 said he had enough of that. 
 

  I always appreciated his content too.  7Ray was perceptive and I miss him 
too. 
 

 List owner and moderator,
 -Dug Jung Un 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 He is still subscribed, but his posting has been disabled. Unfortunately, the 
stupid Yahoo interface is showing no record of his posting being yanked. All I 
know is that I had nothing to with this. My guess is that Doug pulled the plug, 
and a Yahoo glitch prevented the action from showing up in the moderator 
activity log. Questions should be directed to Doug: dhamiltony2k5 @ Yahoo.com


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Get back over here, Steve. I miss your posts.


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: FF meditator memoriam

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

RIP, Tom.  A friend here as well, from back in the day.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tom Torpy, a long time Purusha friend
 passed away recently. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John Herbert Prechtel
is now gone on.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sali Pedin has passed on. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nancy Van Blaricum TTC Mallorca 1972 w/ Maharishi
 Initiated over 2000 meditators
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks for posting these. 

 Harvey Lubar, I knew.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Louisa Magee Marc Travis
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Recent passings from the meditating community.. 

 Gillian Pierce
 Frank Ramsey
 Gert MacQuaeen
 Evelyn Normandin
 Petra Stanley
 Harvey Lubar

 Further back, to add to the longer list
 Cindy Korn
 Jan Overholt

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 James R. French Long time friend and benefactor 
 of TM and the Fairfield, Iowa
 meditating community
 passed away, April 9th. .  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Jan Wixon, is another name on the list.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Currently, on average FF TM'ers would be.. of the Boomer II generation,
 ..about 65-70 years of age, on average. 
 

 1994, Survey of Fairfield Adult Meditators,
 Age:
 25-35 65 10%
 36-45 391 60%
 46-55 138 21%
 > 55 47 7%
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Rates of Change.  The calculus of aging in TM.. 
 

 Some of what we can see in these lists is a natural aging-out of the Post-War 
Cohort, of the people who were early with Maharishi in the very early SRM 
movement,  the Walter Koch and Charlie Lutes generation of TM. 
 

 Now what we are seeing in TM is an accelerating rate of attrition to aging-out 
of the Boomer I and Boomer II’s.  Interestingly, the cusp time period where the 
Boomers I and Boomers II met was the time frame where TM took off in popular 
(college undergrad, grad student, professor-age) culture for a time.  A lot of 
the TM movement intake happened in those years 1968-76, over the cusp of the 
Boomers I and II.  
 

 You can see this particular cusp in the age span of meditators in the Dome or 
at campus meetings of the TM community now.  The WWII generation is pretty much 
gone from the ranks of TM now.  The Post-War Cohort are pretty gone or 
geriatric now and the Boomers I are increasingly shuffling or gone on.  Boomers 
II are increasingly ‘in diminish’.  Time is short regardless.  
 

 Post-War Cohort
 Born: 1928-1945
 Coming of Age: 1946-1963
 Age in 2004: 59 to 76
 Current Population: 41 million (declining)
 

 Boomers I or The Baby Boomers
 Born: 1946-1954
 Coming of Age: 1963-1972
 Age in 2004: 50-58
 Current Population: 33 million 
 

 

 Boomers II or Generation Jones
 Born: 1955-1965
 Coming of Age: 1973-1983
 Age in 2004: 39 to 49
 Current Population: 49 million
 

 

 

 For a long time the Baby Boomers were defined as those born between 1945 and 
1964. That would make the generation huge (71 million) and encompass people who 
were 20 years apart in age. It didn't compute to have those born in 1964 
compared with those born in 1946.
 

 http://www.socialmarketing.org/newsletter/features/generation2.htm 
http://www.socialmarketing.org/newsletter/features/generation2.htm
 

 


 [For researching/ study purposes,
   Scroll further down to the 'previous' posts to this thread to find other 
longer lists,  ]
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Robert Vaughn Abrams • April 13, 1949 • Seattle, WA • August 12, 1997 • North 
Carolina
 Roy Adams • February 16, 1949 • August, 1980 • California

 Jefferson Aikens • December, 2015 • Fairfield, Iowa

 Antoinette F. Alazraki • November 20, 1947 • July 25, 2013

 Farrokh K. Anklesaria • May 29, 1946 • Mumbai, India • June 27, 2012 • St. 
Louis, MO

 Gwenn Anderson • September 20, 1944 • February 9, 2016 • Ogden, UT
 Jean Archer • August 13, 1924 • May 30, 1989 • Ottumwa, IA



 Margaret Rose Ardussi • June 1, 1941 • Toledo, OH • December 7, 2004 • 
Belcamp, MD • Estes Park TTC

 Margaret Ashelman • December 18, 1916 • November 28, 2015 • Fairfield, Iowa



 Chris Blanchard Ayres • June 26, 1949 • August 21, 2010 • Truckee, CA



 Geoffrey Baker • June 1, 1926 • April 12, 2011 • Iowa City, Iowa



 Bruce Murray Beal • October 29, 1954 • February 9, 2010 • Massachusetts



 Robert L. Bollinger • May 22, 1950 • June 22, 2014 • Fairfield, Iowa



 Rob Buck • October 3, 1950 • October 8, 2009 • Rochester, MN



 Laura Ann Calvert • August 24, 1949 • December 12, 2005 • Purcell, OK



 Edmond A. Chouinard • July 19, 1936 • North Adams, MA • December 2, 2004 • 
Providence, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

like I was saying, "blinds spots".  They'll kill ya, if you're not careful.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You liars who say I lie keep forgetting that nobody has ever been able to make 
the charge stick, despite years of trying on the liars' part. 

 When you accuse someone of lying, you need to be able to document it. You 
can't do that with me, because there are no examples of my having lied.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Jooday would do Goebbels proud!
 
 On 10/09/2016 11:07 AM, anon_alias wrote:
 
   You lie every time you defend Hillary's lies. You seem to be in denial. Just 
once I'd like to see you be honest about Hillary Clinton. By not acknowledging 
her lies and falsehoods, you become her enabler. 
 
 
 Instead of calling Steve a liar, why don't you admit that you are covering for 
Hillary's lying? That makes you a liar for withholding important information. 
You used to be honest - what happened?
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 No, no. As you well know, I don't lie. Only the liars here ever say I lie--and 
they're lying. 
 
 And you still don't know what "outlier" means.
 
 
 Stew, stew, stew, Stevie-poo. Put a fork in you. You're done.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :

 
 This of course, is your boiler plate. You have some utility as someone to toy 
with, but not much else. 
 
 As regards, "outlier", I will say instead that you have outed yourself as, 
really, a first class liar.
 
 
 Even declared it regularly.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Nope, wrong again. 
 
 You were spoiling for a fight. You chose your cause and your opponents badly. 
You argued badly. You lost badly. And you followed up badly, pretending YOU had 
won, with meaningless, empty insults, unable to respond to any of the argument 
you had decided to start because you were craving attention.
 
 
 Now I'm just going to leave you to stew in your own juice.
 
 
 P.S.: You might want to look up the term "outlier" in Mr. Dictionary. I don't 
think you know what it means.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :

 
 Ah, the ceremonial planting of the imaginary flag of victory.  Since we see 
this so often, I really think you should consider adding some production 
values.  You know some music and video to go along with it: Judy in a toga.  
Judy in renaissance garb. Judy wearing a coon skin cap.  Judy in a business 
suit, with the heading, "I Win" 
 
 Now, probably you should have a scroll on the bottom, "Past  performance does 
not guarantee future results", or something like that.  Just in case.  You know.
 
 
 Whaddya think?
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 You are very unconvincing, Stevie-poo. You've screwed up badly on the Trump 
topic, and it's painfully obvious you have no idea how to recoup. Sad. 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 As I've said repeatedly Ms. Judy, you are an outlier with nothing interesting 
to say, or offer. Should you be able to be able to overcome this deficiency, I 
would be glad to engage you in some discourse.  Until such time, I'm afraid you 
will have to remain a source of amusement, and nothing else.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Sure, Stevie-poo. That's why you can't come up with any kind of response. You 
have no response to Sal either. I'd say it's you who does the falling short. 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 you keep falling short, Judy of the needed threshold.  but by all means, keep 
trying
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Be interesting to know what his wife would think of his performance here 
today, wouldn't it? I guess she must be used to his hypocrisy, misogyny, and 
general lack of integrity by now, though. As well as his complete inability to 
acknowledge, let alone deal with, any kind of criticism, including refutation 
of his falsehoods. 
 
 No wonder he's a Trump fan.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:salsunshineiniowa@... wrote :
 
 It's unbelievable isn't it...some video featuring Trump bragging about 
committing assault 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

She is, batshit crazy, and no description has ever been as apt in describing a 
person. 

 But that is what happens when blind spots are not addressed.
 

 And it brings up something you alluded to before.
 

 Can meditation by itself effect positive changes in people?
 

 I say no, and that inner work is essential.  
 

 As a case in point, we have the personality in question.
 

 However, one could say, "well, where would she be without it"
 

 H.  Don't know.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Jooday would do Goebbels proud!
 
 On 10/09/2016 11:07 AM, anon_alias wrote:
 
   You lie every time you defend Hillary's lies. You seem to be in denial. Just 
once I'd like to see you be honest about Hillary Clinton. By not acknowledging 
her lies and falsehoods, you become her enabler. 
 
 
 Instead of calling Steve a liar, why don't you admit that you are covering for 
Hillary's lying? That makes you a liar for withholding important information. 
You used to be honest - what happened?
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 No, no. As you well know, I don't lie. Only the liars here ever say I lie--and 
they're lying. 
 
 And you still don't know what "outlier" means.
 
 
 Stew, stew, stew, Stevie-poo. Put a fork in you. You're done.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :

 
 This of course, is your boiler plate. You have some utility as someone to toy 
with, but not much else. 
 
 As regards, "outlier", I will say instead that you have outed yourself as, 
really, a first class liar.
 
 
 Even declared it regularly.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Nope, wrong again. 
 
 You were spoiling for a fight. You chose your cause and your opponents badly. 
You argued badly. You lost badly. And you followed up badly, pretending YOU had 
won, with meaningless, empty insults, unable to respond to any of the argument 
you had decided to start because you were craving attention.
 
 
 Now I'm just going to leave you to stew in your own juice.
 
 
 P.S.: You might want to look up the term "outlier" in Mr. Dictionary. I don't 
think you know what it means.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :

 
 Ah, the ceremonial planting of the imaginary flag of victory.  Since we see 
this so often, I really think you should consider adding some production 
values.  You know some music and video to go along with it: Judy in a toga.  
Judy in renaissance garb. Judy wearing a coon skin cap.  Judy in a business 
suit, with the heading, "I Win" 
 
 Now, probably you should have a scroll on the bottom, "Past  performance does 
not guarantee future results", or something like that.  Just in case.  You know.
 
 
 Whaddya think?
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 You are very unconvincing, Stevie-poo. You've screwed up badly on the Trump 
topic, and it's painfully obvious you have no idea how to recoup. Sad. 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 As I've said repeatedly Ms. Judy, you are an outlier with nothing interesting 
to say, or offer. Should you be able to be able to overcome this deficiency, I 
would be glad to engage you in some discourse.  Until such time, I'm afraid you 
will have to remain a source of amusement, and nothing else.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Sure, Stevie-poo. That's why you can't come up with any kind of response. You 
have no response to Sal either. I'd say it's you who does the falling short. 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 you keep falling short, Judy of the needed threshold.  but by all means, keep 
trying
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Be interesting to know what his wife would think of his performance here 
today, wouldn't it? I guess she must be used to his hypocrisy, misogyny, and 
general lack of integrity by now, though. As well as his complete inability to 
acknowledge, let alone deal with, any kind of criticism, including refutation 
of his falsehoods. 
 
 No wonder he's a Trump fan.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:salsunshineiniowa@... wrote :
 
 It's unbelievable isn't it...some video featuring Trump 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What a waste of time replying to you, but for the fun of it, I will enlightened 
you. 

 Anyone whose internet career has been primarily to declare themselves as 
someone who never lies and who at the same time characterizes anyone with whom 
she disagrees as liar, is, by any definition, a liar themselves.  It can't be 
any other way, and you certainly prove the rule.
 

 Perhaps in annals of psychology as case studies for internet chat rooms come 
around, you will finally get the attention to which you feel you are entitled, 
only for all the wrong reasons.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, no. As you well know, I don't lie. Only the liars here ever say I lie--and 
they're lying. 

 And you still don't know what "outlier" means.
 

 Stew, stew, stew, Stevie-poo. Put a fork in you. You're done.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 This of course, is your boiler plate. You have some utility as someone to toy 
with, but not much else. 

 As regards, "outlier", I will say instead that you have outed yourself as, 
really, a first class liar.
 

 Even declared it regularly.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, wrong again. 

 You were spoiling for a fight. You chose your cause and your opponents badly. 
You argued badly. You lost badly. And you followed up badly, pretending YOU had 
won, with meaningless, empty insults, unable to respond to any of the argument 
you had decided to start because you were craving attention.
 

 Now I'm just going to leave you to stew in your own juice.
 

 P.S.: You might want to look up the term "outlier" in Mr. Dictionary. I don't 
think you know what it means.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Ah, the ceremonial planting of the imaginary flag of victory.  Since we see 
this so often, I really think you should consider adding some production 
values.  You know some music and video to go along with it: Judy in a toga.  
Judy in renaissance garb. Judy wearing a coon skin cap.  Judy in a business 
suit, with the heading, "I Win" 

 Now, probably you should have a scroll on the bottom, "Past  performance does 
not guarantee future results", or something like that.  Just in case.  You know.
 

 Whaddya think?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are very unconvincing, Stevie-poo. You've screwed up badly on the Trump 
topic, and it's painfully obvious you have no idea how to recoup. Sad. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I've said repeatedly Ms. Judy, you are an outlier with nothing interesting 
to say, or offer. Should you be able to be able to overcome this deficiency, I 
would be glad to engage you in some discourse.  Until such time, I'm afraid you 
will have to remain a source of amusement, and nothing else.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sure, Stevie-poo. That's why you can't come up with any kind of response. You 
have no response to Sal either. I'd say it's you who does the falling short. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 you keep falling short, Judy of the needed threshold.  but by all means, keep 
trying
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Be interesting to know what his wife would think of his performance here 
today, wouldn't it? I guess she must be used to his hypocrisy, misogyny, and 
general lack of integrity by now, though. As well as his complete inability to 
acknowledge, let alone deal with, any kind of criticism, including refutation 
of his falsehoods. 

 No wonder he's a Trump fan.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's unbelievable isn't it...some video featuring Trump bragging about 
committing assault comes out, yet it's HILLARY who needs to apologize and/or 
explain herself.  It's the ultimate in male privilege and misogyny.
 

 It's not Trump who has to answer after admitting to assault, it's Hillary who 
must now answer for something someone else (who's not on the ticket, last time 
I looked) did.
 

 It's pathetic.  It's the ultimate in desperation.
 

 Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 8, 2016, at 6:08 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 You've wriggled yourself so deep into the muck and discredited yourself so 
thoroughly, Stevie-poo, you're never going to be able to crawl out. 

 Your attempt to change the subject from Trump to Hillary is the ultimate in 
hypocrisy. Your whole intention here is to distract attention from Trump's 
gross misbehavior by attacking Hillary. Why you think nobody will notice what 
you're doing is incomprehensible. You aren't supporting her, you're supporting 
him.
 

 In another post, you claim Hillary headed a task force to discredit Bill's 
accusers. You 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This of course, is your boiler plate. You have some utility as someone to toy 
with, but not much else. 

 As regards, "outlier", I will say instead that you have outed yourself as, 
really, a first class liar.
 

 Even declared it regularly.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, wrong again. 

 You were spoiling for a fight. You chose your cause and your opponents badly. 
You argued badly. You lost badly. And you followed up badly, pretending YOU had 
won, with meaningless, empty insults, unable to respond to any of the argument 
you had decided to start because you were craving attention.
 

 Now I'm just going to leave you to stew in your own juice.
 

 P.S.: You might want to look up the term "outlier" in Mr. Dictionary. I don't 
think you know what it means.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Ah, the ceremonial planting of the imaginary flag of victory.  Since we see 
this so often, I really think you should consider adding some production 
values.  You know some music and video to go along with it: Judy in a toga.  
Judy in renaissance garb. Judy wearing a coon skin cap.  Judy in a business 
suit, with the heading, "I Win" 

 Now, probably you should have a scroll on the bottom, "Past  performance does 
not guarantee future results", or something like that.  Just in case.  You know.
 

 Whaddya think?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are very unconvincing, Stevie-poo. You've screwed up badly on the Trump 
topic, and it's painfully obvious you have no idea how to recoup. Sad. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I've said repeatedly Ms. Judy, you are an outlier with nothing interesting 
to say, or offer. Should you be able to be able to overcome this deficiency, I 
would be glad to engage you in some discourse.  Until such time, I'm afraid you 
will have to remain a source of amusement, and nothing else.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sure, Stevie-poo. That's why you can't come up with any kind of response. You 
have no response to Sal either. I'd say it's you who does the falling short. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 you keep falling short, Judy of the needed threshold.  but by all means, keep 
trying
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Be interesting to know what his wife would think of his performance here 
today, wouldn't it? I guess she must be used to his hypocrisy, misogyny, and 
general lack of integrity by now, though. As well as his complete inability to 
acknowledge, let alone deal with, any kind of criticism, including refutation 
of his falsehoods. 

 No wonder he's a Trump fan.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's unbelievable isn't it...some video featuring Trump bragging about 
committing assault comes out, yet it's HILLARY who needs to apologize and/or 
explain herself.  It's the ultimate in male privilege and misogyny.
 

 It's not Trump who has to answer after admitting to assault, it's Hillary who 
must now answer for something someone else (who's not on the ticket, last time 
I looked) did.
 

 It's pathetic.  It's the ultimate in desperation.
 

 Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 8, 2016, at 6:08 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 You've wriggled yourself so deep into the muck and discredited yourself so 
thoroughly, Stevie-poo, you're never going to be able to crawl out. 

 Your attempt to change the subject from Trump to Hillary is the ultimate in 
hypocrisy. Your whole intention here is to distract attention from Trump's 
gross misbehavior by attacking Hillary. Why you think nobody will notice what 
you're doing is incomprehensible. You aren't supporting her, you're supporting 
him.
 

 In another post, you claim Hillary headed a task force to discredit Bill's 
accusers. You made that up out of whole cloth. Or you're regurgitating garbage 
you've swallowed from some right-wing Web site or Facebook page.
 

 You're also assuming that all the accusations made against Bill were truthful, 
another right-wing meme. There was and still is good reason to be skeptical of 
many if not most of them--but you believe Hillary should just have accepted 
them all uncomplainingly as true or be convicted of hypocrisy.

 

 Your thinking is unbelievably twisted. It's sick.
 

 This discussion is about Trump, not Hillary, no matter how hard you try to 
pretend otherwise. But here's some information about Hillary.
 

 You won't read it, of course, but maybe others will be interested in learning 
some actual facts, as well as understanding what we don't know:
 

 How Hillary Clinton Grappled With Bill Clinton’s Infidelity, and His Accusers 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ah, the ceremonial planting of the imaginary flag of victory.  Since we see 
this so often, I really think you should consider adding some production 
values.  You know some music and video to go along with it: Judy in a toga.  
Judy in renaissance garb. Judy wearing a coon skin cap.  Judy in a business 
suit, with the heading, "I Win" 

 Now, probably you should have a scroll on the bottom, "Past  performance does 
not guarantee future results", or something like that.  Just in case.  You know.
 

 Whaddya think?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are very unconvincing, Stevie-poo. You've screwed up badly on the Trump 
topic, and it's painfully obvious you have no idea how to recoup. Sad. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I've said repeatedly Ms. Judy, you are an outlier with nothing interesting 
to say, or offer. Should you be able to be able to overcome this deficiency, I 
would be glad to engage you in some discourse.  Until such time, I'm afraid you 
will have to remain a source of amusement, and nothing else.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sure, Stevie-poo. That's why you can't come up with any kind of response. You 
have no response to Sal either. I'd say it's you who does the falling short. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 you keep falling short, Judy of the needed threshold.  but by all means, keep 
trying
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Be interesting to know what his wife would think of his performance here 
today, wouldn't it? I guess she must be used to his hypocrisy, misogyny, and 
general lack of integrity by now, though. As well as his complete inability to 
acknowledge, let alone deal with, any kind of criticism, including refutation 
of his falsehoods. 

 No wonder he's a Trump fan.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's unbelievable isn't it...some video featuring Trump bragging about 
committing assault comes out, yet it's HILLARY who needs to apologize and/or 
explain herself.  It's the ultimate in male privilege and misogyny.
 

 It's not Trump who has to answer after admitting to assault, it's Hillary who 
must now answer for something someone else (who's not on the ticket, last time 
I looked) did.
 

 It's pathetic.  It's the ultimate in desperation.
 

 Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 8, 2016, at 6:08 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 You've wriggled yourself so deep into the muck and discredited yourself so 
thoroughly, Stevie-poo, you're never going to be able to crawl out. 

 Your attempt to change the subject from Trump to Hillary is the ultimate in 
hypocrisy. Your whole intention here is to distract attention from Trump's 
gross misbehavior by attacking Hillary. Why you think nobody will notice what 
you're doing is incomprehensible. You aren't supporting her, you're supporting 
him.
 

 In another post, you claim Hillary headed a task force to discredit Bill's 
accusers. You made that up out of whole cloth. Or you're regurgitating garbage 
you've swallowed from some right-wing Web site or Facebook page.
 

 You're also assuming that all the accusations made against Bill were truthful, 
another right-wing meme. There was and still is good reason to be skeptical of 
many if not most of them--but you believe Hillary should just have accepted 
them all uncomplainingly as true or be convicted of hypocrisy.

 

 Your thinking is unbelievably twisted. It's sick.
 

 This discussion is about Trump, not Hillary, no matter how hard you try to 
pretend otherwise. But here's some information about Hillary.
 

 You won't read it, of course, but maybe others will be interested in learning 
some actual facts, as well as understanding what we don't know:
 

 How Hillary Clinton Grappled With Bill Clinton’s Infidelity, and His Accusers 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html 
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html
 
 How Hillary Clinton Grappled With Bill Clinton’s Infidel... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html 
Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign used aggressive tactics to combat 
claims about his extramarital conduct. Here is a look at Mrs. Clinton’s role.


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 


 Quotes from the article:
 

 Mrs. Clinton’s level of involvement in that effort [to discredit Bill's 
accusers], as described in interviews, internal campaign records and archives, 
is still the subject of debate. By some accounts, she gave the green light and 
was a motivating force; by others, her support was no more than tacit assent
 

 Her 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

As I've said repeatedly Ms. Judy, you are an outlier with nothing interesting 
to say, or offer. Should you be able to be able to overcome this deficiency, I 
would be glad to engage you in some discourse.  Until such time, I'm afraid you 
will have to remain a source of amusement, and nothing else.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sure, Stevie-poo. That's why you can't come up with any kind of response. You 
have no response to Sal either. I'd say it's you who does the falling short. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 you keep falling short, Judy of the needed threshold.  but by all means, keep 
trying
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Be interesting to know what his wife would think of his performance here 
today, wouldn't it? I guess she must be used to his hypocrisy, misogyny, and 
general lack of integrity by now, though. As well as his complete inability to 
acknowledge, let alone deal with, any kind of criticism, including refutation 
of his falsehoods. 

 No wonder he's a Trump fan.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's unbelievable isn't it...some video featuring Trump bragging about 
committing assault comes out, yet it's HILLARY who needs to apologize and/or 
explain herself.  It's the ultimate in male privilege and misogyny.
 

 It's not Trump who has to answer after admitting to assault, it's Hillary who 
must now answer for something someone else (who's not on the ticket, last time 
I looked) did.
 

 It's pathetic.  It's the ultimate in desperation.
 

 Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 8, 2016, at 6:08 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 You've wriggled yourself so deep into the muck and discredited yourself so 
thoroughly, Stevie-poo, you're never going to be able to crawl out. 

 Your attempt to change the subject from Trump to Hillary is the ultimate in 
hypocrisy. Your whole intention here is to distract attention from Trump's 
gross misbehavior by attacking Hillary. Why you think nobody will notice what 
you're doing is incomprehensible. You aren't supporting her, you're supporting 
him.
 

 In another post, you claim Hillary headed a task force to discredit Bill's 
accusers. You made that up out of whole cloth. Or you're regurgitating garbage 
you've swallowed from some right-wing Web site or Facebook page.
 

 You're also assuming that all the accusations made against Bill were truthful, 
another right-wing meme. There was and still is good reason to be skeptical of 
many if not most of them--but you believe Hillary should just have accepted 
them all uncomplainingly as true or be convicted of hypocrisy.

 

 Your thinking is unbelievably twisted. It's sick.
 

 This discussion is about Trump, not Hillary, no matter how hard you try to 
pretend otherwise. But here's some information about Hillary.
 

 You won't read it, of course, but maybe others will be interested in learning 
some actual facts, as well as understanding what we don't know:
 

 How Hillary Clinton Grappled With Bill Clinton’s Infidelity, and His Accusers 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html 
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html
 
 How Hillary Clinton Grappled With Bill Clinton’s Infidel... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html 
Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign used aggressive tactics to combat 
claims about his extramarital conduct. Here is a look at Mrs. Clinton’s role.


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 


 Quotes from the article:
 

 Mrs. Clinton’s level of involvement in that effort [to discredit Bill's 
accusers], as described in interviews, internal campaign records and archives, 
is still the subject of debate. By some accounts, she gave the green light and 
was a motivating force; by others, her support was no more than tacit assent
 

 Her campaign also released statements from James Carville, Mr. Clinton’s top 
campaign strategist, and two lawyers who worked for Mr. Clinton, saying that 
Mrs. Clinton had not overseen the counterattacks.
 

 “Those who took the lead in responding to those attacks at the time have 
plainly stated that Hillary Clinton did not direct their work,” [her spokesman, 
Brian] Fallon said.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :


 
 I mean, below are questions you might hear in a court of law, and which no one 
here, among the Hillary supporters seems willing to answer.   

 1) Did Hillary Clinton attempt to discredit the women who accused Bill 
Clinton,her husband, of rape and sexual harassment?
 

 2) Does Hillary Clinton claim to be a 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

you keep falling short, Judy of the needed threshold.  but by all means, keep 
trying
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Be interesting to know what his wife would think of his performance here 
today, wouldn't it? I guess she must be used to his hypocrisy, misogyny, and 
general lack of integrity by now, though. As well as his complete inability to 
acknowledge, let alone deal with, any kind of criticism, including refutation 
of his falsehoods. 

 No wonder he's a Trump fan.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's unbelievable isn't it...some video featuring Trump bragging about 
committing assault comes out, yet it's HILLARY who needs to apologize and/or 
explain herself.  It's the ultimate in male privilege and misogyny.
 

 It's not Trump who has to answer after admitting to assault, it's Hillary who 
must now answer for something someone else (who's not on the ticket, last time 
I looked) did.
 

 It's pathetic.  It's the ultimate in desperation.
 

 Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 8, 2016, at 6:08 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 You've wriggled yourself so deep into the muck and discredited yourself so 
thoroughly, Stevie-poo, you're never going to be able to crawl out. 

 Your attempt to change the subject from Trump to Hillary is the ultimate in 
hypocrisy. Your whole intention here is to distract attention from Trump's 
gross misbehavior by attacking Hillary. Why you think nobody will notice what 
you're doing is incomprehensible. You aren't supporting her, you're supporting 
him.
 

 In another post, you claim Hillary headed a task force to discredit Bill's 
accusers. You made that up out of whole cloth. Or you're regurgitating garbage 
you've swallowed from some right-wing Web site or Facebook page.
 

 You're also assuming that all the accusations made against Bill were truthful, 
another right-wing meme. There was and still is good reason to be skeptical of 
many if not most of them--but you believe Hillary should just have accepted 
them all uncomplainingly as true or be convicted of hypocrisy.

 

 Your thinking is unbelievably twisted. It's sick.
 

 This discussion is about Trump, not Hillary, no matter how hard you try to 
pretend otherwise. But here's some information about Hillary.
 

 You won't read it, of course, but maybe others will be interested in learning 
some actual facts, as well as understanding what we don't know:
 

 How Hillary Clinton Grappled With Bill Clinton’s Infidelity, and His Accusers 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html 
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html
 
 How Hillary Clinton Grappled With Bill Clinton’s Infidel... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html 
Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign used aggressive tactics to combat 
claims about his extramarital conduct. Here is a look at Mrs. Clinton’s role.


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 


 Quotes from the article:
 

 Mrs. Clinton’s level of involvement in that effort [to discredit Bill's 
accusers], as described in interviews, internal campaign records and archives, 
is still the subject of debate. By some accounts, she gave the green light and 
was a motivating force; by others, her support was no more than tacit assent
 

 Her campaign also released statements from James Carville, Mr. Clinton’s top 
campaign strategist, and two lawyers who worked for Mr. Clinton, saying that 
Mrs. Clinton had not overseen the counterattacks.
 

 “Those who took the lead in responding to those attacks at the time have 
plainly stated that Hillary Clinton did not direct their work,” [her spokesman, 
Brian] Fallon said.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :


 
 I mean, below are questions you might hear in a court of law, and which no one 
here, among the Hillary supporters seems willing to answer.   

 1) Did Hillary Clinton attempt to discredit the women who accused Bill 
Clinton,her husband, of rape and sexual harassment?
 

 2) Does Hillary Clinton claim to be a champion of women's rights?
 

 Two simple questions that Hillary supporters, cannot, or will not answer.
 

 Okay, for the record, I believe Hillary Clinton will make a better president 
than Donald Trump, and I will not be voting for Donald Trump.  I am not trying 
to snare anyone, I am just curious is anyone here among the ardent HC supports 
has the guts to answer these questions.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Try me again, Judy when you have something interesting to say.  I find you a 
boring outlier.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You've wriggled yourself so deep into the muck and discredited yourself so 
thoroughly, Stevie-poo, you're never going to be able to crawl out. 

 Your attempt to change the subject from Trump to Hillary is the ultimate in 
hypocrisy. Your whole intention here is to distract attention from Trump's 
gross misbehavior by attacking Hillary. Why you think nobody will notice what 
you're doing is incomprehensible. You aren't supporting her, you're supporting 
him.
 

 In another post, you claim Hillary headed a task force to discredit Bill's 
accusers. You made that up out of whole cloth. Or you're regurgitating garbage 
you've swallowed from some right-wing Web site or Facebook page.
 

 You're also assuming that all the accusations made against Bill were truthful, 
another right-wing meme. There was and still is good reason to be skeptical of 
many if not most of them--but you believe Hillary should just have accepted 
them all uncomplainingly as true or be convicted of hypocrisy.

 

 Your thinking is unbelievably twisted. It's sick.
 

 This discussion is about Trump, not Hillary, no matter how hard you try to 
pretend otherwise. But here's some information about Hillary.
 

 You won't read it, of course, but maybe others will be interested in learning 
some actual facts, as well as understanding what we don't know:
 

 How Hillary Clinton Grappled With Bill Clinton’s Infidelity, and His Accusers 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html 
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html
 
 How Hillary Clinton Grappled With Bill Clinton’s Infidel... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html 
Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign used aggressive tactics to combat 
claims about his extramarital conduct. Here is a look at Mrs. Clinton’s role.


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 


 Quotes from the article:
 

 Mrs. Clinton’s level of involvement in that effort [to discredit Bill's 
accusers], as described in interviews, internal campaign records and archives, 
is still the subject of debate. By some accounts, she gave the green light and 
was a motivating force; by others, her support was no more than tacit assent
 

 Her campaign also released statements from James Carville, Mr. Clinton’s top 
campaign strategist, and two lawyers who worked for Mr. Clinton, saying that 
Mrs. Clinton had not overseen the counterattacks.
 

 “Those who took the lead in responding to those attacks at the time have 
plainly stated that Hillary Clinton did not direct their work,” [her spokesman, 
Brian] Fallon said.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 
 I mean, below are questions you might hear in a court of law, and which no one 
here, among the Hillary supporters seems willing to answer.   

 1) Did Hillary Clinton attempt to discredit the women who accused Bill 
Clinton,her husband, of rape and sexual harassment?
 

 2) Does Hillary Clinton claim to be a champion of women's rights?
 

 Two simple questions that Hillary supporters, cannot, or will not answer.
 

 Okay, for the record, I believe Hillary Clinton will make a better president 
than Donald Trump, and I will not be voting for Donald Trump.  I am not trying 
to snare anyone, I am just curious is anyone here among the ardent HC supports 
has the guts to answer these questions.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And yet once again, it is beyond someone's ability to acknowledge that their 
candidate has been shown to be hypocritical. In this case for how they handled 
the issue of accusations of rape and sexual harassment. Hillary attempted to 
discredit Bill's accusers for purposes of political expediency.  It is a matter 
of public record, but many here won't go near it. Their only defense is that 
Trump is much worse.  

 Does that sound like much of defense?  Would that work in a court of law?  
"Well your honor, much worse crimes were committed on the day by client robbed 
someone.  There were several homicides that day, so I hope you will consider 
that in your sentencing, or even forget it altogether."
 

 Steve-y! You have used this defense more than once here and every time I call 
you on it. LOL.
 

 And then, of course, anyone who points out this hypocrisy is then tagged one 
of the usual labels: apologist, right wing extremest.
 

 This is political correctness run amok.  This is what gives rise to someone 
like Trump who will often tell it like it is.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I’d say the stain has been there 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I mean, below are questions you might hear in a court of law, and which no one 
here, among the Hillary supporters seems willing to answer.   

 1) Did Hillary Clinton attempt to discredit the women who accused Bill 
Clinton,her husband, of rape and sexual harassment?
 

 2) Does Hillary Clinton claim to be a champion of women's rights?
 

 Two simple questions that Hillary supporters, cannot, or will not answer.
 

 Okay, for the record, I believe Hillary Clinton will make a better president 
than Donald Trump, and I will not be voting for Donald Trump.  I am not trying 
to snare anyone, I am just curious is anyone here among the ardent HC supports 
has the guts to answer these questions.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And yet once again, it is beyond someone's ability to acknowledge that their 
candidate has been shown to be hypocritical. In this case for how they handled 
the issue of accusations of rape and sexual harassment. Hillary attempted to 
discredit Bill's accusers for purposes of political expediency.  It is a matter 
of public record, but many here won't go near it. Their only defense is that 
Trump is much worse.  

 Does that sound like much of defense?  Would that work in a court of law?  
"Well your honor, much worse crimes were committed on the day by client robbed 
someone.  There were several homicides that day, so I hope you will consider 
that in your sentencing, or even forget it altogether."
 

 Steve-y! You have used this defense more than once here and every time I call 
you on it. LOL.
 

 And then, of course, anyone who points out this hypocrisy is then tagged one 
of the usual labels: apologist, right wing extremest.
 

 This is political correctness run amok.  This is what gives rise to someone 
like Trump who will often tell it like it is.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I’d say the stain has been there on anybody who defended this pile of human 
waste at all after the mocking-the-disabled-reporter scenario.  I realize what 
he did, disgusting as it was, wasn’t illegal.  It simply threw into stark 
relief that Trump is not “normal” in any sense, doesn’t have the normal empathy 
for his fellow humans most of us have, empathy for anyone other than his 
children, and I’m not even so sure about them. Certainly it doesn’t exist for 
anyone else in his family (For anyone who needs further proof of this, look up 
what he did to his great nephew who was born with serious disabilities). 

 So IMO that ship sailed long ago.  Anyone still defending him after this 
latest debacle must agree with him on some level, or their hatred of Hillary 
runs so deep they can no longer think rationally.  
 

 For anyone who STILL doesn’t “get it” this is NOT the lesser of two evils meme 
so many of you like to trot out, this IS evil, staring you right in the face.  
How does it look?  
 

 There is no low that is too low for the apologists here.
 
 Sal 
 

 




On Oct 7, 2016, at 9:55 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 You do realize, don't you, boys, that what Trump was boasting about on that 
tape was not just misogyny, not just crude locker-room talk, but *criminal 
sexual assault*. 
 

 In many if not most states, kissing someone or touching their genital area 
without their consent is sexual battery, punishable by jail time.
 

 The flaccidity of your attempted defense of the presidential candidate you 
support would be hilarious if it weren't such a vile manifestation of rape 
culture.
 

 You can't come back from this. It's a permanent stain on your character.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 And we have had no saints as President. People loved JFK but he had secret 
affairs.  The public can be so lame!
 
 On 10/07/2016 06:45 PM, anon_alias wrote:
 
   There are no saints running for public office - probably never have been 
any. 
 
 
 But if I were to guess what Bill said to Monica that day in the Oval Office, 
it would be: "Oh my gawd!" or "What are you doing tomorrow?" or "I think I just 
died and went to heaven!" Something like that. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Now refresh my memory, what saints are running for public office these days?  
Would you want your local church lady to run for public office?
 On 10/07/2016 05:50 PM, anon_alias wrote:
 
   Since you brought up the subject, what exactly did Bill Clinton say to 
Monica Lewinsky inside the Oval Office at the White House?
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Tape Reveals Donald Trump Bragging About Kissing and Groping 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Now, wait a second Ann, I agree with you up to you last sentence.  Are you 
saying Hillary was entitled to take her hurt out on those who accused Bill of 
rape and sexual harassment?  To head a task force to attempt to discredit them? 

 I hope that is not what you are saying.
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You don't think she gave her husband holy hell for what he did? I can 
guarantee that behind closed doors she punished him and probably to this day 
has never let him forget how much he hurt her, humiliated himself and her and 
generally made their personal, not to mention their political, life a living 
hell. Anyone who is being truthful will admit that when a spouse or a life 
partner betrays you with another man or woman all hell breaks loose. You seek 
to punish your partner and you seek to punish their sexual partner. Bill 
certainly paid for his transgressions and I will say that many of the women he 
had sexual contact with were more than willing. To blame Hillary for taking her 
hurt out on those who betrayed her is being too critical.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am more than willing to address the candidates' issues, in a balanced way. 

On the one hand is an oaf who, for starters, refuses to release his tax 
returns. Refuses to, after every major candidate in the last 40 years has done 
it. Many just shrug and say, 'oh that's Trump, just being Trump'. Same with him 
suggesting Hillary could be shot, same with his dangerous flip flops on major 
policy issues, and utter lack of interest or experience in public service, 'oh 
he will surround himself with good people'. Same with his admissions of sexual 
assault, 'oh, its just locker room banter'. 

On the other hand, Clinton's entire *life* is somehow seen as a legal 
deposition, with every 'i' dotted and 't' crossed, held up to the strictest 
legal and moral scrutiny. 

What a bunch of bullshit, Steve. Not much more to add.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, why is it that so many here lack the integrity to address uncomfortable 
issues, such as Hillary pillorying of BIll Clinton's accusers. 

 My question is clearly directed at this and her response of dealing with it 
when it got in the way of political expediency.  I am not sure how you can work 
to discredit the claims of these women at the same time declaring yourself to 
be a champion of women's rights.
 

 Can you?
 

 Now to repeat what Bharitu said, we are not electing a saint, so I get what 
she did.  Just acknowledge it, if you can, and then move on.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hillary Clinton is not a rapist - Donald is. Hillary Clinton does not go 
around grabbing men's crotches, feeling that she is entitled to - Donald the 
Rapist does. Hillary Clinton has not had public affairs while she was married - 
Donald the rapist has. 

I am not sure why we are talking about Hillary's husband - he isn't running. 
Let's stay focused and compare candidate to candidate. Frankly I am amazed that 
any man or woman could ever excuse or qualify Trump's words, once again. Rather 
than feel completely repelled and revolted by this Orange Abomination, I see 
too many deciding that the ugliness Trump exposes is A-OK, because 'gee I feel 
a lot of the same things inside...'. Talk about the banality of evil...
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lame?  So mention Monica Lewinsky but leave out the woman Bill Clinton 
actually raped, not to mention the accusations of groping by numerous others, 
and the veracity of these claims challenged by Hillary. And this is the 
candidate who claims to be a champion of women's rights?  This is political 
expediency and nothing more. Have the intestinal fortitude to call it for what 
it is. 

 Your comments, as is often the case are the ploys of a partisan, who claims to 
be purveyor of truth but in actuality is pretty much just a shrill.
 

 

 Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to ‘destroy’ Bill Clinton accusers 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 
 
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 
 Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to ‘destroy’ Bill Cli... 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 Running to be the first woman president, Democratic presidential hopeful 
Hillary Clinton has taken a stern stand on combating sexual harassment and 
assau...


 
 View on www.washingtontimes... 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Locker room banter," of course, isn't the point. That's just an exceptionally 
lame--and supremely 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

you really never have anything interesting to say.  I guess that's why you've 
taken to yelling, but really, it doesn't change anything.  You still...have 
nothing interesting to say.   (-: 

 (but you are good for laugh, now and then)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not only is he not a "just the facts" type, he's incapable of the critical 
thinking necessary to distinguish facts from malicious smears. All this crap 
about Hillary's alleged misdeeds is part of the compendium of smears from the 
right-wingers who have been trying desperately to bring her down for decades. 

 Nobody here said, by the way, that "sex between Bill Clinton and Monica 
Lewinsky was simply sex between two consenting adults with no other dynamics at 
play." Stevie-poo missed the point completely (but then he had to in order to 
mount a defense of Trump).
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, I have to say, you are not a just the facts type. You are highly 
selective, and more often than not turn a blind eye to Trump's behavior, at 
least judging from your posts. My position is similar to that of the majority 
in this country, that Trump has no business playing at this level, he is a 
danger, and the sooner he goes, the better. 

It is a matter of priorities, and playing this game of false comparisons is 
neither mature or responsible, imho. This isn't some communist self-criticism 
session, or church confessional, with Hillary playing center stage. This is for 
all the marbles, and getting Orange Stooge One away from any elements of power 
is our first order of business. 

Then we can all sit back, drink our lattes and discuss how we think President 
Clinton should govern the country. Fair enough?
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Okay, that is an interesting take, and sort of clarifies the situation.  
Whatever misdeeds by Hillary must be viewed the lens of the misdeeds by her 
opponent, and discounted accordingly.  Of course "you" determine of severity of 
each offense and where they fit on the sliding scale. 

 I'm more of "just the fact" please, type person.  
 

 What you are saying of course is that Trump is such a poor candidate that any 
misdeeds by Hillary are basically immaterial.  This is fine, just don't try to 
tell me that she did not do something that she did. Or, for that matter, don't 
try to tell me that sex between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky was simply sex 
between two consenting adults with no other dynamics at play.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'challenging Hillary' is not relevant at all, until the many road flares that 
Trump has raised are dealt with. Once she gets elected, that will be the time 
for additional scrutiny. Until then, it is a false equivalency, like worrying 
about a mosquito bite, when a rabid dog is on the loose.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here's what I would add. 

 Politics is a dirty business.  Sometimes you, (a candidate) has to do things 
in the name of political expediency that they regret.  Hillary Clinton needed 
her husband to further her political ambitions.  There is, in my opinion, 
nothing wrong with that.
 

 Yes, it is a stain or a blemish on her that she attempted to discredit Bill's 
accusers.  But it was done and you have to acknowledge, or dance around it as 
best you can and move on,  
 

 I for one am ready to move on, except when someone claims that it did not 
happen, or to sugar coat it. 
 

 Unless something drastic happens she will win the election and has an 
opportunity to do some good.  That is what I am focussed on.
 

 P.S. For some reason, you and others can't seem to realize that challenging 
Hillary is not the same as supporting Trump.  It just means that one is not 
afraid to look at issues in an unbiased manner.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am more than willing to address the candidates' issues, in a balanced way. 

On the one hand is an oaf who, for starters, refuses to release his tax 
returns. Refuses to, after every major candidate in the last 40 years has done 
it. Many just shrug and say, 'oh that's Trump, just being Trump'. Same with him 
suggesting Hillary could be shot, same with his dangerous flip flops on major 
policy issues, and utter lack of interest or experience in public service, 'oh 
he will surround himself with good people'. Same with his admissions of sexual 
assault, 'oh, its just locker room banter'. 

On the other hand, Clinton's entire *life* is somehow seen as a legal 
deposition, with every 'i' dotted and 't' crossed, held up to the strictest 
legal and moral scrutiny. 

What a bunch of bullshit, Steve. Not much more to add.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, why is it that so many here lack the integrity to address uncomfortable 
issues, such as 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tech Billionaires Believe We're in a Matrix

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I believe this to be true, and one of myths of enlightenment that needs to be 
dispelled, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's like these guys are reinventing Eastern Philosophy in their own terms. @_@
 
 Old stuff to us.
 
 A few, like Steve Jobs, actually did study and knew Eastern Philosophy.  He 
was greatly influenced by Ram Dass's "Be Here Now".  His ex-girlfriend (mother 
of Lisa) claims that he may have actually been enlightened but as Ram Dass 
points out when you attain enlightenment you kinda get stuck with the 
personality you have at the time.  So Jobs got stuck with being an asshole.  I 
know MMY said some similar things as did my tantra guru.  Samskaras don't get 
entirely dissolved.
 
 On 10/08/2016 12:35 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   

 

 Maybe so.  But the blessing lies in what one does with wealth.  If the money 
is used to benefit human beings, then the person is doing something good and 
could lead to his liberation from world condition or the matrix.  It appears 
that the key to liberation is being one with the Unified Field in unity 
consciousness.  IOW, the matrix can be escaped through transcendence or 
Samadhi, which has been sung in the vedas and taught by the ancient rishis, 
including the prophets and saints in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
 

 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 

 Further evidence that having way too much money can make one insane.
 
 On 10/08/2016 10:59 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   And Have Asked Scientists How to Get Us Out
 

 Elon Musk is one of the billionaires who think so.  It would appear that John 
Hagelin and the TMO would have the perfect solution to explain and escape the 
matrix.  IMO Cosmic consciousness is the way to be free from the slavery of the 
matrix.
 

 Tech billionaires think we live in the Matrix and have asked scientists to get 
us out 
 
 
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/tech-billionaires-think-live-matrix-093735189.html
 
 Tech billionaires think we live in the Matrix and have a... Two of the 
technology world's most powerful billionaires are concerned we are living in a 
Matrix-style simulated world and are working with scientists to break ...


 
 View on www.yahoo.com 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 
 
 
 
 

 
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Absolutely, fair enough.  I understand the stakes.  I understand that the 
mentality is, that there is too much at stake to let someone like Trump assume 
the reins of power. 

 But, I will also note that hypocrisy exists on both sides of the aisle, and 
when I hear some hear adopt the tactics used by right wing extremists, I will 
speak up.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, I have to say, you are not a just the facts type. You are highly 
selective, and more often than not turn a blind eye to Trump's behavior, at 
least judging from your posts. My position is similar to that of the majority 
in this country, that Trump has no business playing at this level, he is a 
danger, and the sooner he goes, the better. 

It is a matter of priorities, and playing this game of false comparisons is 
neither mature or responsible, imho. This isn't some communist self-criticism 
session, or church confessional, with Hillary playing center stage. This is for 
all the marbles, and getting Orange Stooge One away from any elements of power 
is our first order of business. 

Then we can all sit back, drink our lattes and discuss how we think President 
Clinton should govern the country. Fair enough?
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Okay, that is an interesting take, and sort of clarifies the situation.  
Whatever misdeeds by Hillary must be viewed the lens of the misdeeds by her 
opponent, and discounted accordingly.  Of course "you" determine of severity of 
each offense and where they fit on the sliding scale. 

 I'm more of "just the fact" please, type person.  
 

 What you are saying of course is that Trump is such a poor candidate that any 
misdeeds by Hillary are basically immaterial.  This is fine, just don't try to 
tell me that she did not do something that she did. Or, for that matter, don't 
try to tell me that sex between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky was simply sex 
between two consenting adults with no other dynamics at play.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'challenging Hillary' is not relevant at all, until the many road flares that 
Trump has raised are dealt with. Once she gets elected, that will be the time 
for additional scrutiny. Until then, it is a false equivalency, like worrying 
about a mosquito bite, when a rabid dog is on the loose.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here's what I would add. 

 Politics is a dirty business.  Sometimes you, (a candidate) has to do things 
in the name of political expediency that they regret.  Hillary Clinton needed 
her husband to further her political ambitions.  There is, in my opinion, 
nothing wrong with that.
 

 Yes, it is a stain or a blemish on her that she attempted to discredit Bill's 
accusers.  But it was done and you have to acknowledge, or dance around it as 
best you can and move on,  
 

 I for one am ready to move on, except when someone claims that it did not 
happen, or to sugar coat it. 
 

 Unless something drastic happens she will win the election and has an 
opportunity to do some good.  That is what I am focussed on.
 

 P.S. For some reason, you and others can't seem to realize that challenging 
Hillary is not the same as supporting Trump.  It just means that one is not 
afraid to look at issues in an unbiased manner.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am more than willing to address the candidates' issues, in a balanced way. 

On the one hand is an oaf who, for starters, refuses to release his tax 
returns. Refuses to, after every major candidate in the last 40 years has done 
it. Many just shrug and say, 'oh that's Trump, just being Trump'. Same with him 
suggesting Hillary could be shot, same with his dangerous flip flops on major 
policy issues, and utter lack of interest or experience in public service, 'oh 
he will surround himself with good people'. Same with his admissions of sexual 
assault, 'oh, its just locker room banter'. 

On the other hand, Clinton's entire *life* is somehow seen as a legal 
deposition, with every 'i' dotted and 't' crossed, held up to the strictest 
legal and moral scrutiny. 

What a bunch of bullshit, Steve. Not much more to add.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, why is it that so many here lack the integrity to address uncomfortable 
issues, such as Hillary pillorying of BIll Clinton's accusers. 

 My question is clearly directed at this and her response of dealing with it 
when it got in the way of political expediency.  I am not sure how you can work 
to discredit the claims of these women at the same time declaring yourself to 
be a champion of women's rights.
 

 Can you?
 

 Now to repeat what Bharitu said, we are not electing a saint, so I get what 
she did.  Just acknowledge it, if you can, and then move on.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

And yet once again, it is beyond someone's ability to acknowledge that their 
candidate has been shown to be hypocritical. In this case for how they handled 
the issue of accusations of rape and sexual harassment. Hillary attempted to 
discredit Bill's accusers for purposes of political expediency.  It is a matter 
of public record, but many here won't go near it. Their only defense is that 
Trump is much worse.  

 Does that sound like much of defense?  Would that work in a court of law?  
"Well your honor, much worse crimes were committed on the day by client robbed 
someone.  There were several homicides that day, so I hope you will consider 
that in your sentencing, or even forget it altogether." 

 And then, of course, anyone who points out this hypocrisy is then tagged one 
of the usual labels: apologist, right wing extremest.
 

 This is political correctness run amok.  This is what gives rise to someone 
like Trump who will often tell it like it is.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I’d say the stain has been there on anybody who defended this pile of human 
waste at all after the mocking-the-disabled-reporter scenario.  I realize what 
he did, disgusting as it was, wasn’t illegal.  It simply threw into stark 
relief that Trump is not “normal” in any sense, doesn’t have the normal empathy 
for his fellow humans most of us have, empathy for anyone other than his 
children, and I’m not even so sure about them. Certainly it doesn’t exist for 
anyone else in his family (For anyone who needs further proof of this, look up 
what he did to his great nephew who was born with serious disabilities). 

 So IMO that ship sailed long ago.  Anyone still defending him after this 
latest debacle must agree with him on some level, or their hatred of Hillary 
runs so deep they can no longer think rationally.  
 

 For anyone who STILL doesn’t “get it” this is NOT the lesser of two evils meme 
so many of you like to trot out, this IS evil, staring you right in the face.  
How does it look?  
 

 There is no low that is too low for the apologists here.
 
 Sal 
 

 




On Oct 7, 2016, at 9:55 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 You do realize, don't you, boys, that what Trump was boasting about on that 
tape was not just misogyny, not just crude locker-room talk, but *criminal 
sexual assault*. 
 

 In many if not most states, kissing someone or touching their genital area 
without their consent is sexual battery, punishable by jail time.
 

 The flaccidity of your attempted defense of the presidential candidate you 
support would be hilarious if it weren't such a vile manifestation of rape 
culture.
 

 You can't come back from this. It's a permanent stain on your character.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 And we have had no saints as President. People loved JFK but he had secret 
affairs.  The public can be so lame!
 
 On 10/07/2016 06:45 PM, anon_alias wrote:
 
   There are no saints running for public office - probably never have been 
any. 
 
 
 But if I were to guess what Bill said to Monica that day in the Oval Office, 
it would be: "Oh my gawd!" or "What are you doing tomorrow?" or "I think I just 
died and went to heaven!" Something like that. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Now refresh my memory, what saints are running for public office these days?  
Would you want your local church lady to run for public office?
 On 10/07/2016 05:50 PM, anon_alias wrote:
 
   Since you brought up the subject, what exactly did Bill Clinton say to 
Monica Lewinsky inside the Oval Office at the White House?
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Tape Reveals Donald Trump Bragging About Kissing and Groping Women
 
 
 
 
 
 Tape Reveals Donald Trump Bragging About Kissing an... A lewd discussion taped 
in 2005 on a soap opera set adds to evidence that Mr. Trump has a record of 
sexist behavior.


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 
 



 



 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Okay, that is an interesting take, and sort of clarifies the situation.  
Whatever misdeeds by Hillary must be viewed the lens of the misdeeds by her 
opponent, and discounted accordingly.  Of course "you" determine of severity of 
each offense and where they fit on the sliding scale. 

 I'm more of "just the fact" please, type person.  
 

 What you are saying of course is that Trump is such a poor candidate that any 
misdeeds by Hillary are basically immaterial.  This is fine, just don't try to 
tell me that she did not do something that she did. Or, for that matter, don't 
try to tell me that sex between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky was simply sex 
between two consenting adults with no other dynamics at play.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'challenging Hillary' is not relevant at all, until the many road flares that 
Trump has raised are dealt with. Once she gets elected, that will be the time 
for additional scrutiny. Until then, it is a false equivalency, like worrying 
about a mosquito bite, when a rabid dog is on the loose.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here's what I would add. 

 Politics is a dirty business.  Sometimes you, (a candidate) has to do things 
in the name of political expediency that they regret.  Hillary Clinton needed 
her husband to further her political ambitions.  There is, in my opinion, 
nothing wrong with that.
 

 Yes, it is a stain or a blemish on her that she attempted to discredit Bill's 
accusers.  But it was done and you have to acknowledge, or dance around it as 
best you can and move on,  
 

 I for one am ready to move on, except when someone claims that it did not 
happen, or to sugar coat it. 
 

 Unless something drastic happens she will win the election and has an 
opportunity to do some good.  That is what I am focussed on.
 

 P.S. For some reason, you and others can't seem to realize that challenging 
Hillary is not the same as supporting Trump.  It just means that one is not 
afraid to look at issues in an unbiased manner.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am more than willing to address the candidates' issues, in a balanced way. 

On the one hand is an oaf who, for starters, refuses to release his tax 
returns. Refuses to, after every major candidate in the last 40 years has done 
it. Many just shrug and say, 'oh that's Trump, just being Trump'. Same with him 
suggesting Hillary could be shot, same with his dangerous flip flops on major 
policy issues, and utter lack of interest or experience in public service, 'oh 
he will surround himself with good people'. Same with his admissions of sexual 
assault, 'oh, its just locker room banter'. 

On the other hand, Clinton's entire *life* is somehow seen as a legal 
deposition, with every 'i' dotted and 't' crossed, held up to the strictest 
legal and moral scrutiny. 

What a bunch of bullshit, Steve. Not much more to add.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, why is it that so many here lack the integrity to address uncomfortable 
issues, such as Hillary pillorying of BIll Clinton's accusers. 

 My question is clearly directed at this and her response of dealing with it 
when it got in the way of political expediency.  I am not sure how you can work 
to discredit the claims of these women at the same time declaring yourself to 
be a champion of women's rights.
 

 Can you?
 

 Now to repeat what Bharitu said, we are not electing a saint, so I get what 
she did.  Just acknowledge it, if you can, and then move on.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hillary Clinton is not a rapist - Donald is. Hillary Clinton does not go 
around grabbing men's crotches, feeling that she is entitled to - Donald the 
Rapist does. Hillary Clinton has not had public affairs while she was married - 
Donald the rapist has. 

I am not sure why we are talking about Hillary's husband - he isn't running. 
Let's stay focused and compare candidate to candidate. Frankly I am amazed that 
any man or woman could ever excuse or qualify Trump's words, once again. Rather 
than feel completely repelled and revolted by this Orange Abomination, I see 
too many deciding that the ugliness Trump exposes is A-OK, because 'gee I feel 
a lot of the same things inside...'. Talk about the banality of evil...
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lame?  So mention Monica Lewinsky but leave out the woman Bill Clinton 
actually raped, not to mention the accusations of groping by numerous others, 
and the veracity of these claims challenged by Hillary. And this is the 
candidate who claims to be a champion of women's rights?  This is political 
expediency and nothing more. Have the intestinal fortitude to call it for what 
it is. 

 Your comments, as is often the case are the ploys of a partisan, who claims to 
be purveyor of truth but in actuality 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Here's what I would add. 

 Politics is a dirty business.  Sometimes you, (a candidate) has to do things 
in the name of political expediency that they regret.  Hillary Clinton needed 
her husband to further her political ambitions.  There is, in my opinion, 
nothing wrong with that.
 

 Yes, it is a stain or a blemish on her that she attempted to discredit Bill's 
accusers.  But it was done and you have to acknowledge, or dance around it as 
best you can and move on,  
 

 I for one am ready to move on, except when someone claims that it did not 
happen, or to sugar coat it. 
 

 Unless something drastic happens she will win the election and has an 
opportunity to do some good.  That is what I am focussed on.
 

 P.S. For some reason, you and others can't seem to realize that challenging 
Hillary is not the same as supporting Trump.  It just means that one is not 
afraid to look at issues in an unbiased manner.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am more than willing to address the candidates' issues, in a balanced way. 

On the one hand is an oaf who, for starters, refuses to release his tax 
returns. Refuses to, after every major candidate in the last 40 years has done 
it. Many just shrug and say, 'oh that's Trump, just being Trump'. Same with him 
suggesting Hillary could be shot, same with his dangerous flip flops on major 
policy issues, and utter lack of interest or experience in public service, 'oh 
he will surround himself with good people'. Same with his admissions of sexual 
assault, 'oh, its just locker room banter'. 

On the other hand, Clinton's entire *life* is somehow seen as a legal 
deposition, with every 'i' dotted and 't' crossed, held up to the strictest 
legal and moral scrutiny. 

What a bunch of bullshit, Steve. Not much more to add.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, why is it that so many here lack the integrity to address uncomfortable 
issues, such as Hillary pillorying of BIll Clinton's accusers. 

 My question is clearly directed at this and her response of dealing with it 
when it got in the way of political expediency.  I am not sure how you can work 
to discredit the claims of these women at the same time declaring yourself to 
be a champion of women's rights.
 

 Can you?
 

 Now to repeat what Bharitu said, we are not electing a saint, so I get what 
she did.  Just acknowledge it, if you can, and then move on.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hillary Clinton is not a rapist - Donald is. Hillary Clinton does not go 
around grabbing men's crotches, feeling that she is entitled to - Donald the 
Rapist does. Hillary Clinton has not had public affairs while she was married - 
Donald the rapist has. 

I am not sure why we are talking about Hillary's husband - he isn't running. 
Let's stay focused and compare candidate to candidate. Frankly I am amazed that 
any man or woman could ever excuse or qualify Trump's words, once again. Rather 
than feel completely repelled and revolted by this Orange Abomination, I see 
too many deciding that the ugliness Trump exposes is A-OK, because 'gee I feel 
a lot of the same things inside...'. Talk about the banality of evil...
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lame?  So mention Monica Lewinsky but leave out the woman Bill Clinton 
actually raped, not to mention the accusations of groping by numerous others, 
and the veracity of these claims challenged by Hillary. And this is the 
candidate who claims to be a champion of women's rights?  This is political 
expediency and nothing more. Have the intestinal fortitude to call it for what 
it is. 

 Your comments, as is often the case are the ploys of a partisan, who claims to 
be purveyor of truth but in actuality is pretty much just a shrill.
 

 

 Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to ‘destroy’ Bill Clinton accusers 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 
 
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 
 Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to ‘destroy’ Bill Cli... 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 Running to be the first woman president, Democratic presidential hopeful 
Hillary Clinton has taken a stern stand on combating sexual harassment and 
assau...


 
 View on www.washingtontimes... 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Locker room banter," of course, isn't the point. That's just an exceptionally 
lame--and supremely hypocritical--attempt to defend the indefensible. 

 This, as I've already said, is about Trump boasting of his right as a 
celebrity to commit *criminal sexual assault* any time he wants 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ollie, why is it that so many here lack the integrity to address uncomfortable 
issues, such as Hillary pillorying of BIll Clinton's accusers. 

 My question is clearly directed at this and her response of dealing with it 
when it got in the way of political expediency.  I am not sure how you can work 
to discredit the claims of these women at the same time declaring yourself to 
be a champion of women's rights.
 

 Can you?
 

 Now to repeat what Bharitu said, we are not electing a saint, so I get what 
she did.  Just acknowledge it, if you can, and then move on.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hillary Clinton is not a rapist - Donald is. Hillary Clinton does not go 
around grabbing men's crotches, feeling that she is entitled to - Donald the 
Rapist does. Hillary Clinton has not had public affairs while she was married - 
Donald the rapist has. 

I am not sure why we are talking about Hillary's husband - he isn't running. 
Let's stay focused and compare candidate to candidate. Frankly I am amazed that 
any man or woman could ever excuse or qualify Trump's words, once again. Rather 
than feel completely repelled and revolted by this Orange Abomination, I see 
too many deciding that the ugliness Trump exposes is A-OK, because 'gee I feel 
a lot of the same things inside...'. Talk about the banality of evil...
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lame?  So mention Monica Lewinsky but leave out the woman Bill Clinton 
actually raped, not to mention the accusations of groping by numerous others, 
and the veracity of these claims challenged by Hillary. And this is the 
candidate who claims to be a champion of women's rights?  This is political 
expediency and nothing more. Have the intestinal fortitude to call it for what 
it is. 

 Your comments, as is often the case are the ploys of a partisan, who claims to 
be purveyor of truth but in actuality is pretty much just a shrill.
 

 

 Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to ‘destroy’ Bill Clinton accusers 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 
 
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 
 Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to ‘destroy’ Bill Cli... 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 Running to be the first woman president, Democratic presidential hopeful 
Hillary Clinton has taken a stern stand on combating sexual harassment and 
assau...


 
 View on www.washingtontimes... 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Locker room banter," of course, isn't the point. That's just an exceptionally 
lame--and supremely hypocritical--attempt to defend the indefensible. 

 This, as I've already said, is about Trump boasting of his right as a 
celebrity to commit *criminal sexual assault* any time he wants and get away 
with it.
 

 Bill Clinton's affair with Monica was consensual. She didn't sue him for 
sexual harassment (let alone sexual assault) because she wouldn't have had a 
chance of winning.
 

 In most states in this country, kissing someone or grabbing their genitals for 
sexual gratification without their consent is a crime subject to jail time.
 

 And nobody's cutting Clinton any slack for his philandering. But Clinton's 
sins have nothing whatsoever to do with this. Trump's is a whole other order of 
misbehavior toward women.
 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Since you brought up the subject of men's locker room banter, you and some 
Democrats cut Bill Clinton and lot of slack when he didn't get sued by Monica 
for sexual harassment in the work place. He should have been fired and put in 
jail for being a sexual predator and lying to the American people and Congress.
 

 Any normal person would acknowledge the crimes against women Bill has 
committed and be honest about what happened, but for some reason you just can't 
seem to be normal and honest. Politics as usual, I guess. Go figure.
 

 Your post has got to be one of the most hypocritical messages on this forum 
that I've ever read. Bill Clinton made the office of the U.S. Presidency the 
laughing stock of the entire planet!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Now, boys, as you are very well aware, nobody is talking about saints or 
church ladies. 

 We're talking about the difference between normal if imperfect human beings, 
and an aggressive sexual predator who brags that his celebrity gives him the 
right to commit criminal sexual assault whenever he feels like it.
 

 Most normal human beings would be embarrassed to cut such a person any slack, 
let alone attempt to defend him.
 

 

 

 ---In 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oh, yea. and speaking of Monica Lewinsky, ignore the power dynamic in play, and 
try to put in the context of strictly consensual sex. 

 On the other hand, you do crack me up.
 

 You and Rush Limbaugh as self appointed "Truth Detectors"   "Spin Meisters" is 
more like it!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lame?  So mention Monica Lewinsky but leave out the woman Bill Clinton 
actually raped, not to mention the accusations of groping by numerous others, 
and the veracity of these claims challenged by Hillary. And this is the 
candidate who claims to be a champion of women's rights?  This is political 
expediency and nothing more. Have the intestinal fortitude to call it for what 
it is. 

 Your comments, as is often the case are the ploys of a partisan, who claims to 
be purveyor of truth but in actuality is pretty much just a shrill.
 

 

 Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to ‘destroy’ Bill Clinton accusers 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 
 
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 
 Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to ‘destroy’ Bill Cli... 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 Running to be the first woman president, Democratic presidential hopeful 
Hillary Clinton has taken a stern stand on combating sexual harassment and 
assau...


 
 View on www.washingtontimes... 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Locker room banter," of course, isn't the point. That's just an exceptionally 
lame--and supremely hypocritical--attempt to defend the indefensible. 

 This, as I've already said, is about Trump boasting of his right as a 
celebrity to commit *criminal sexual assault* any time he wants and get away 
with it.
 

 Bill Clinton's affair with Monica was consensual. She didn't sue him for 
sexual harassment (let alone sexual assault) because she wouldn't have had a 
chance of winning.
 

 In most states in this country, kissing someone or grabbing their genitals for 
sexual gratification without their consent is a crime subject to jail time.
 

 And nobody's cutting Clinton any slack for his philandering. But Clinton's 
sins have nothing whatsoever to do with this. Trump's is a whole other order of 
misbehavior toward women.
 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Since you brought up the subject of men's locker room banter, you and some 
Democrats cut Bill Clinton and lot of slack when he didn't get sued by Monica 
for sexual harassment in the work place. He should have been fired and put in 
jail for being a sexual predator and lying to the American people and Congress.
 

 Any normal person would acknowledge the crimes against women Bill has 
committed and be honest about what happened, but for some reason you just can't 
seem to be normal and honest. Politics as usual, I guess. Go figure.
 

 Your post has got to be one of the most hypocritical messages on this forum 
that I've ever read. Bill Clinton made the office of the U.S. Presidency the 
laughing stock of the entire planet!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Now, boys, as you are very well aware, nobody is talking about saints or 
church ladies. 

 We're talking about the difference between normal if imperfect human beings, 
and an aggressive sexual predator who brags that his celebrity gives him the 
right to commit criminal sexual assault whenever he feels like it.
 

 Most normal human beings would be embarrassed to cut such a person any slack, 
let alone attempt to defend him.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 And we have had no saints as President. People loved JFK but he had secret 
affairs.  The public can be so lame!
 
 On 10/07/2016 06:45 PM, anon_alias wrote:
 
   There are no saints running for public office - probably never have been 
any. 
 
 
 But if I were to guess what Bill said to Monica that day in the Oval Office, 
it would be: "Oh my gawd!" or "What are you doing tomorrow?" or "I think I just 
died and went to heaven!" Something like that. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Now refresh my memory, what saints are running for public office these days?  
Would you want your local church lady to run for public office?
 On 10/07/2016 05:50 PM, anon_alias wrote:
 
   Since you brought up the subject, what exactly did Bill Clinton say to 
Monica Lewinsky inside the Oval Office at the White House?
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Tape Reveals 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump brags about groping women

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Lame?  So mention Monica Lewinsky but leave out the woman Bill Clinton actually 
raped, not to mention the accusations of groping by numerous others, and the 
veracity of these claims challenged by Hillary. And this is the candidate who 
claims to be a champion of women's rights?  This is political expediency and 
nothing more. Have the intestinal fortitude to call it for what it is. 

 Your comments, as is often the case are the ploys of a partisan, who claims to 
be purveyor of truth but in actuality is pretty much just a shrill.
 

 

 Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to ‘destroy’ Bill Clinton accusers 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 
 
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 
 
 Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to ‘destroy’ Bill Cli... 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 Running to be the first woman president, Democratic presidential hopeful 
Hillary Clinton has taken a stern stand on combating sexual harassment and 
assau...
 
 
 
 View on www.washingtontimes... 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Locker room banter," of course, isn't the point. That's just an exceptionally 
lame--and supremely hypocritical--attempt to defend the indefensible. 

 This, as I've already said, is about Trump boasting of his right as a 
celebrity to commit *criminal sexual assault* any time he wants and get away 
with it.
 

 Bill Clinton's affair with Monica was consensual. She didn't sue him for 
sexual harassment (let alone sexual assault) because she wouldn't have had a 
chance of winning.
 

 In most states in this country, kissing someone or grabbing their genitals for 
sexual gratification without their consent is a crime subject to jail time.
 

 And nobody's cutting Clinton any slack for his philandering. But Clinton's 
sins have nothing whatsoever to do with this. Trump's is a whole other order of 
misbehavior toward women.
 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Since you brought up the subject of men's locker room banter, you and some 
Democrats cut Bill Clinton and lot of slack when he didn't get sued by Monica 
for sexual harassment in the work place. He should have been fired and put in 
jail for being a sexual predator and lying to the American people and Congress.
 

 Any normal person would acknowledge the crimes against women Bill has 
committed and be honest about what happened, but for some reason you just can't 
seem to be normal and honest. Politics as usual, I guess. Go figure.
 

 Your post has got to be one of the most hypocritical messages on this forum 
that I've ever read. Bill Clinton made the office of the U.S. Presidency the 
laughing stock of the entire planet!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Now, boys, as you are very well aware, nobody is talking about saints or 
church ladies. 

 We're talking about the difference between normal if imperfect human beings, 
and an aggressive sexual predator who brags that his celebrity gives him the 
right to commit criminal sexual assault whenever he feels like it.
 

 Most normal human beings would be embarrassed to cut such a person any slack, 
let alone attempt to defend him.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 And we have had no saints as President. People loved JFK but he had secret 
affairs.  The public can be so lame!
 
 On 10/07/2016 06:45 PM, anon_alias wrote:
 
   There are no saints running for public office - probably never have been 
any. 
 
 
 But if I were to guess what Bill said to Monica that day in the Oval Office, 
it would be: "Oh my gawd!" or "What are you doing tomorrow?" or "I think I just 
died and went to heaven!" Something like that. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Now refresh my memory, what saints are running for public office these days?  
Would you want your local church lady to run for public office?
 On 10/07/2016 05:50 PM, anon_alias wrote:
 
   Since you brought up the subject, what exactly did Bill Clinton say to 
Monica Lewinsky inside the Oval Office at the White House?
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Tape Reveals Donald Trump Bragging About Kissing and Groping Women
 
 
 
 
 
 Tape Reveals Donald Trump Bragging About Kissing an... A lewd discussion taped 
in 2005 on a soap opera set adds to evidence that Mr. Trump has a record of 
sexist behavior.


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 
 



 



 




  






 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

For God's sake, Judy get some rest.  This has been an active day for you.  Too 
active, I think.  Make a pot of chamomile and pick up that book you've been 
meaning to read. You'll get through this, and tomorrow is another day, and you 
can start off fresh.   

 I'll try hard not to antagonize you by offering a difference of opinion.
 

 Easy does it dear.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Stevie-poo and anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. are welcome to keep on being uncivil 
and insulting and telling lies. 

 I'm bowing out of the nasty little hell they've created for themselves. Hope 
they continue to enjoy it, but I'm no longer going to participate. There are 
decent human beings here to talk to.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 No, you're lying. Steve told three lies in a row. (Not the first time, 
either.) 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve didn't lie - you owe him an apology.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I tell the truth (and expose liars). Beyond that, I don't worry about "grace." 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have no grace in a debate, win or lose. 
 

 You could have at least acknowledged that the Sri Sri gets down and his hands 
and knees to perform the Sun Salutation. You could have read the article where 
Time Magazine blames Bill Clinton for the Great Recession. 
 

 You could do a lot of things, but you are very ungraceful in a debate. 
 

 And, that's the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong. Why do you keep lying about this? And BTW, as you know, I never said a 
word one way or the other about Clinton and bank deregulation. That was another 
one of your lies.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. You lied about the steps in the Sun Salutation and I told the truth.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope, you've got it backwards. I told the truth; you did not. (You rarely do.)
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The truth is subjective, but you lost out on both counts, but not with grace.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, anon_alias/yogi_dude/etc. will not tell the truth if 
he can possibly help it. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I guess he felt the upside potential was greater than the downside. 

 I mean, besides Sarah Palin and Geraldine Ferraro how many VP candidates can 
you recall.
 

 Pence, will be remembered, and likely be a trivia question in years to come.  
(may it be so)  But, this will surely lift his political profile, as the 
electorate has a short memory, and he will at least be acknowledged as a team 
player who volunteered for a difficult assignment. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 snip

 
 I wonder how many nights Pence lies awake wondering how he got himself hitched 
with such a monster. If Pence really is the man he thinks himself to be 
(religious, zealous, decent and conservative) then how can he live with 
himself? 

 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Here, let me preface this comment by making an observation. 

 Bankers by nature tend to be a more conservative.
 

 Journalists, more liberal.
 

 So, when someone says the media  has a liberal bias, that is probably true, 
but it does not in my opinion preclude balanced reporting.
 

 Now, having said that, when I listened to the commentary on public radio after 
the debate, the commentators echoed what you have said below:  Politics is a 
game of exaggeration and oversimplification and appearances and feelings.  And 
debates exemplify that.  As an example of this, they said viewers, could, if 
they wanted, fact check statements by the participants as the debate went a 
long.  Few do.
 

 So, the fact is, that by consensus, Pence came off looking better than Kaine. 
You can say it's not fair, that it's a reflection of the sad state of the 
American electorate, but that is the reality.
 

 I disagree with the assertion made by Judy, that the tack taken by Kaine was 
"very, very very clever", brilliant in that accomplished the purpose of 
eliciting sounds bites from Pence.  In doubling down on this assertion she 
indicates that it was essential for Kaine to do this for Clinton to win the 
elections.  In other words, making Kaine overly aggressive was the only way he 
could score points in the debate.
 

 These sentiments strike me as absurd, or at least misguided, as well as 
dishonest, and typical of the kind of spin we see on the extremes of campaigns 
by those trying to make their candidates look better than they might otherwise 
appear.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree with you in a narrow context. That is, if someone were totally 
oblivious to the issues, or perhaps didn't even speak English, and watched the 
debate, they might conclude that Pence won the debate, based on his relative 
composure. But that is all Pence has, the ability to lie with his eyes open, 
and a tight smile on his face. Only superficially did he win anything, and just 
like his boss, in the long run, there is nothing there. 

Politics is necessarily a game of exaggeration and over-simplification, but it 
has reached cartoonish levels with the GOP candidates - they lie, and you 
either ignore them and get challenged on not addressing 'the facts', or spend 
the majority of time refuting the bitter fantasies that they relentlessly dream 
up. A couple of tar babies. It is grotesque, and brings us all down as a 
country.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 All that may be true, and I don't disagree with any of it, but it appeared to 
most watchers, or at least most pundits that he did not win the debate. 

 Hillary on the other hand seemed poised* when she debated Trump and the 
results speak for themselves.
 

 *of course she prepared arduously.  but at the risk of sounding like a bliss 
ninny, she appeared to be herself, and not operating with an ulterior agenda, 
which if you buy the scenario put forth by Ann and Judy was the plan with 
Kaine. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Kaine's performance wasn't all scripted. What I saw was someone who cares 
deeply for his country, and has great respect and trust in the candidate who 
has chosen him as running mate. I saw him genuinely a little pissed off at the 
constant lies and rhetoric leveled at Clinton, by Trump, someone with no 
experience except in running his mouth. Pence has essentially made a deal with 
the devil. He enjoys his little perch, preaching to the masses, and riding 
around in limos. Reminds me of an organ grinder's monkey. He hopes to 
capitalize on it, and continue giving the country away to his rich friends, 
safe in his "messiah's" shadow, while castigating those who do not pay 
obeisance to his biblical hallucinations. What a phony, creepy, fake, with 
those deep set beady little eyes darting around. He and Trump are the very 
worst this country has to offer, and anyone can see through this toxic couple, 
like the con-artists they are.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Perhaps one day, (and you ARE running out of time) you may realize that even 
though you have an inability to hold opposite concepts in your head at the same 
time, this does not necessarily apply to others. 

 There may be some mental stretching exercises you can do, but best find out 
about any possible drawbacks depending on age.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 He STILL doesn't get it. Really hard to believe. It's as if he thinks there's 
no election, just debates. And whichever team wins the most debates gets to be 
president and vice-president. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sal, what I am saying, is bottom line, he lost the debate.  And my 
observation, from the snippets I saw, and commentary I heard, was that he came 
off as a kind of boor, where as Pence came off as more polished.   

 Now, please listen carefully.  I am not condoning the lies he told.  All I am 
saying is that whatever strategy he adopted, worked, and whatever strategy 
Kaine adopted did not work as well.  And now we learn from Judy and others, 
that the clever, clever clever strategy employed by Kaine, i.e. Clinton 
campaign was actually not to win the debate, but to coax statements out of 
Pence that could be used later.
 

 I am saying it backfired, at least as far as the actual debate was concerned, 
but you are saying it did not.
 

 I guess we have a difference of opinion about the outcome.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I honestly don’t even know where to begin with this, and others have 
already answered, and far better than I can as of right now. 

 I’ll just say…going after Kaine for his vociferousness (and calling it 
“scripted”) while letting Pence off the hook for his obviously practiced and 
pervasive lying (You don’t think he had an agenda?  Like the nomination in 4 
years maybe?) and denying things that millions have heard and that’s easily 
found on video…if that isn’t deeply troubling to you (and hugely insulting as 
well, it’s all but calling their supporters too stupid to remember what most of 
them heard) then we must inhabit different universes.  
 

 even if a person is lying, well, that may not actually go against them
 

 Wow.  Good luck with this one.
 

 Sal 
 

 





On Oct 6, 2016, at 7:04 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

I did not watch the debate.  I watched only a small "hi-light" reel afterwards. 
 But the impression I got was the the Clinton campaign instructed Kaine to "go 
after Trump. rip him to shreds" which he attempted to do, but didn't come off 
particularly well doing so. 

 I felt, that if they had just let Kaine "be himself", things would have turned 
out better.  We all know the debates run on emotion and appearances, so that 
even if a person is lying, well, that may not actually go against them, in the 
debate at least, and maybe not even after.
 

 But, maybe this idea of "being yourself" is just too naive an idea. On the 
other hand, it often is what works in situations rather than going with 
"formula"
 

 Any thought?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You are an outlier, Judy, with more in common with someone like Rudolf 
Giuliani, than with anyone who has a tad of credibility. 

 You utilize the same bag of tricks employed by Rudy or Sean or some of the 
others.
 

 A superficial friend to those with whom you have a common objective and a 
garden variety partisan to most everyone else.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Poor Stevie-poo. 

 It's really amazing, but he keeps missing what's right under his nose: The 
Clinton campaign is about *winning the election*. If that means "losing" the 
vice-presidential debate (which is completely subjective anyway, unlike the 
election), it's very well worth it.
 

 There was, of course, not a thing "dishonest" about the Clinton debate 
strategy. As I already said, Pence was free to debate all he wanted. He chose 
not to debate the points Kaine brought up.
 

 Stevie thinks "looking presidential" in the vice-presidential debate is more 
important than winning the election.
 

 I told you folks before, the men here (Ollie excluded)--Bhairitu, yogi_dude, 
Mike Dixon, and Stevie--are supporting the male candidate in this election. Not 
all of them, however, have the stones to acknowledge it.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Okay, I did a very quick skim.  So, as I understand it, the purpose of the vp 
debate was to disregard making Kaine look potentially presidential, but rather 
trot him out as monkey programmed to elicit phrases from his opponent to be 
used in campaign ads. 

 Hey, if that sounds like a good strategy to to you, go for it.  I go for a 
little more honesty in my candidates. You know, how Hillary says she likes to 
take the high road, even when her opponents do not?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Heh heh. Read this, then come back after you've wiped the egg off your face: 

 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the debate is done 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the ... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 After the Kaine-Pence tilt, the Democrat’s campaign again came out firing with 
videos, ads and tweets attacking Trump.


 
 View on www.washingtonpost... 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

   
 

 

 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Absolutely right.  I am focussed on winning.  And the consensus was that Kaine 
lost the debate. 

 Now, you may or may not be correct that the Clinton team was not focussed on 
winning the debate, but rather trying to coax out choice sound bites to use for 
future ads, even if it was the expense of their candidate looking as if he was 
in control.
 

 But you are such an outlier that you will engage in your usual bob and weave, 
pretzel this way and that to try to prove some point.
 

 Oh, and something about "very, very very clever strategies".  They often don't 
turn out to be very clever. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is too subtle, it seems, for some folks here to grasp. They're fixated on 
"winning" and "losing" as if the debate were a football game. 

 Kaine did just what he was supposed to do, and did it superbly: throw one 
Trump stupidity after another at Pence, leaving him no options but to falsely 
deny them or simply avoid defending them. All captured on tape to be used as 
the basis for Clinton ads, along with clips documenting the stupidities Pence 
was unable to engage with. Very, very clever strategy. Her campaign can count 
on Trump cooperating because he's so vulnerable to being manipulated.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 
 as we now all know in the aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was 
totally planned by the Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video 
clips for their expose spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing 
the entire time.
 

 (snip)
 

 








 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sal, what I am saying, is bottom line, he lost the debate.  And my observation, 
from the snippets I saw, and commentary I heard, was that he came off as a kind 
of boor, where as Pence came off as more polished.   

 Now, please listen carefully.  I am not condoning the lies he told.  All I am 
saying is that whatever strategy he adopted, worked, and whatever strategy 
Kaine adopted did not work as well.  And now we learn from Judy and others, 
that the clever, clever clever strategy employed by Kaine, i.e. Clinton 
campaign was actually not to win the debate, but to coax statements out of 
Pence that could be used later.
 

 I am saying it backfired, at least as far as the actual debate was concerned, 
but you are saying it did not.
 

 I guess we have a difference of opinion about the outcome.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I honestly don’t even know where to begin with this, and others have 
already answered, and far better than I can as of right now. 

 I’ll just say…going after Kaine for his vociferousness (and calling it 
“scripted”) while letting Pence off the hook for his obviously practiced and 
pervasive lying (You don’t think he had an agenda?  Like the nomination in 4 
years maybe?) and denying things that millions have heard and that’s easily 
found on video…if that isn’t deeply troubling to you (and hugely insulting as 
well, it’s all but calling their supporters too stupid to remember what most of 
them heard) then we must inhabit different universes.  
 

 even if a person is lying, well, that may not actually go against them
 

 Wow.  Good luck with this one.
 

 Sal 
 

 





On Oct 6, 2016, at 7:04 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

I did not watch the debate.  I watched only a small "hi-light" reel afterwards. 
 But the impression I got was the the Clinton campaign instructed Kaine to "go 
after Trump. rip him to shreds" which he attempted to do, but didn't come off 
particularly well doing so. 

 I felt, that if they had just let Kaine "be himself", things would have turned 
out better.  We all know the debates run on emotion and appearances, so that 
even if a person is lying, well, that may not actually go against them, in the 
debate at least, and maybe not even after.
 

 But, maybe this idea of "being yourself" is just too naive an idea. On the 
other hand, it often is what works in situations rather than going with 
"formula"
 

 Any thought?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 






 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I guess it's no surprise to see you quoting Charlie Sheen approvingly. You 
could also have quoted Vince Lombardi: "Winning isn't everything; it's the only 
thing." I'm sure Trump agrees.
 

So what was the score, Stevie-poo? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, and losing the debate in the process. 

 Like Charlie Sheen says, and which is on target.
 

 "Winning.  Duh"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nonsense. Pence was free to debate the issues as Kaine brought them up, but 
all he could manage was to falsely deny their very existence or just ignore 
them entirely. That's what the Clinton campaign anticipated he'd do, and they 
were right. They'd be crazy not to make hay out of it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Okay, I did a very quick skim.  So, as I understand it, the purpose of the vp 
debate was to disregard making Kaine look potentially presidential, but rather 
trot him out as monkey programmed to elicit phrases from his opponent to be 
used in campaign ads. 

 Hey, if that sounds like a good strategy to to you, go for it.  I go for a 
little more honesty in my candidates. You know, how Hillary says she likes to 
take the high road, even when her opponents do not?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Heh heh. Read this, then come back after you've wiped the egg off your face: 

 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the debate is done 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-debate-prep-is-focused-on-what-happens-once-the-debate-is-done/2016/10/05/26914f92-8b16-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
 
 Clinton debate prep is focused on what happens once the ... 
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 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Absolutely right.  I am focussed on winning.  And the consensus was that Kaine 
lost the debate. 

 Now, you may or may not be correct that the Clinton team was not focussed on 
winning the debate, but rather trying to coax out choice sound bites to use for 
future ads, even if it was the expense of their candidate looking as if he was 
in control.
 

 But you are such an outlier that you will engage in your usual bob and weave, 
pretzel this way and that to try to prove some point.
 

 Oh, and something about "very, very very clever strategies".  They often don't 
turn out to be very clever. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is too subtle, it seems, for some folks here to grasp. They're fixated on 
"winning" and "losing" as if the debate were a football game. 

 Kaine did just what he was supposed to do, and did it superbly: throw one 
Trump stupidity after another at Pence, leaving him no options but to falsely 
deny them or simply avoid defending them. All captured on tape to be used as 
the basis for Clinton ads, along with clips documenting the stupidities Pence 
was unable to engage with. Very, very clever strategy. Her campaign can count 
on Trump cooperating because he's so vulnerable to being manipulated.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 
 as we now all know in the aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was 
totally planned by the Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video 
clips for their expose spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing 
the entire time.
 

 (snip)
 

 








 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

All that may be true, and I don't disagree with any of it, but it appeared to 
most watchers, or at least most pundits that he did not win the debate. 

 Hillary on the other hand seemed poised* when she debated Trump and the 
results speak for themselves.
 

 *of course she prepared arduously.  but at the risk of sounding like a bliss 
ninny, she appeared to be herself, and not operating with an ulterior agenda, 
which if you buy the scenario put forth by Ann and Judy was the plan with 
Kaine. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Kaine's performance wasn't all scripted. What I saw was someone who cares 
deeply for his country, and has great respect and trust in the candidate who 
has chosen him as running mate. I saw him genuinely a little pissed off at the 
constant lies and rhetoric leveled at Clinton, by Trump, someone with no 
experience except in running his mouth. Pence has essentially made a deal with 
the devil. He enjoys his little perch, preaching to the masses, and riding 
around in limos. Reminds me of an organ grinder's monkey. He hopes to 
capitalize on it, and continue giving the country away to his rich friends, 
safe in his "messiah's" shadow, while castigating those who do not pay 
obeisance to his biblical hallucinations. What a phony, creepy, fake, with 
those deep set beady little eyes darting around. He and Trump are the very 
worst this country has to offer, and anyone can see through this toxic couple, 
like the con-artists they are.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Right, and losing the debate in the process. 

 Like Charlie Sheen says, and which is on target.
 

 "Winning.  Duh"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nonsense. Pence was free to debate the issues as Kaine brought them up, but 
all he could manage was to falsely deny their very existence or just ignore 
them entirely. That's what the Clinton campaign anticipated he'd do, and they 
were right. They'd be crazy not to make hay out of it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Absolutely right.  I am focussed on winning.  And the consensus was that Kaine 
lost the debate. 

 Now, you may or may not be correct that the Clinton team was not focussed on 
winning the debate, but rather trying to coax out choice sound bites to use for 
future ads, even if it was the expense of their candidate looking as if he was 
in control.
 

 But you are such an outlier that you will engage in your usual bob and weave, 
pretzel this way and that to try to prove some point.
 

 Oh, and something about "very, very very clever strategies".  They often don't 
turn out to be very clever. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is too subtle, it seems, for some folks here to grasp. They're fixated on 
"winning" and "losing" as if the debate were a football game. 

 Kaine did just what he was supposed to do, and did it superbly: throw one 
Trump stupidity after another at Pence, leaving him no options but to falsely 
deny them or simply avoid defending them. All captured on tape to be used as 
the basis for Clinton ads, along with clips documenting the stupidities Pence 
was unable to engage with. Very, very clever strategy. Her campaign can count 
on Trump cooperating because he's so vulnerable to being manipulated.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (snip)
 
 as we now all know in the aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was 
totally planned by the Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video 
clips for their expose spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing 
the entire time.
 

 (snip)
 

 








 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the post 
debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, as you 
speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  sound 
bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange in 
itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.
 

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.
 

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 
across.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump/Pence and FFL

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I did not watch the debate.  I watched only a small "hi-light" reel afterwards. 
 But the impression I got was the the Clinton campaign instructed Kaine to "go 
after Trump. rip him to shreds" which he attempted to do, but didn't come off 
particularly well doing so. 

 I felt, that if they had just let Kaine "be himself", things would have turned 
out better.  We all know the debates run on emotion and appearances, so that 
even if a person is lying, well, that may not actually go against them, in the 
debate at least, and maybe not even after.
 

 But, maybe this idea of "being yourself" is just too naive an idea. On the 
other hand, it often is what works in situations rather than going with 
"formula"
 

 Any thought?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 
reality. 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.
 

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] For Xeno - in absentia

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That would be an executive decision, and I think as to not jeopardize his 
position as Chief Butt Kisser, MJ is reluctant to do anything without the 
express permission of BW.  And BW does not take kindly to anyone going rogue on 
him. 

 I mean, were Barry to hint, even slightly at a DNR sanction on MJ, it could 
very well push him over the edge.  And then where would they be?
 

 Bring Xeno out of retirement to carry the ball?  I don't think so. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 the "hands off" appears to be working, on FFL, at least. 

 I wonder if the Amen Corner folks will start to migrate back to FFL-2?
 

 I can just hear it now, the Grand Poobah, Barry Wright himself will issue of 
proclamation, with half a dozen "whereases", announcing his re-entrance into 
Alex's place.  And the little ducklings will follow.
 

 I can't imagine it's too much fun dissing all of us and they know we can't 
even see it. That has to be a drag. If I were MJ I would have kept the folks 
out I didn't want challenging me (pretty much most of us) but let them read the 
posts anyway. But because he wouldn't have let us join we could only sit and 
stew without the posting privileges of membership. LOL
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Everybody must still be "on vacation" (snicker)

Sal 
 

 No doubt. It appears FFL is making a sort of comeback. The Corner seems to be 
folding in on itself.
 


 
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:42 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 Wow, look at the post count discrepancy between the Coroner and FFL. I know he 
can't post here but I know he's reading, just like all the other boys over in 
the Dunce Corner. They evidently need something to talk about. You can only 
listen to bawee for so long.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Xeno - in absentia

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I guess technically speaking, 

 "...or I'll make sure the LR didn't miss that."
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ah, and the lurking reporter.  Who can forget the lurking reporter.  Always 
holding that over our heads.   

 BW:  Okay now, watch yourself, or I'll tell my lurking reporter about you.
 

 Do ya think, he, like never got over the imaginary friend kids often have, and 
it developed into this final manifestation of "The Lurking Reporter"  
 

 I wonder... 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 He wrote a pretty good review of Deadwood, the TV series.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 lol...
 

 But I also have to admit, I did find some good things from his reviews. His 
taste and mine diverged widely, to say the least, but now and then they 
intersected.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:12 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


  or his tits and ass tv and movie reviews
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Wow, look at the post count discrepancy between the Coroner and FFL. I know he 
can't post here but I know he's reading, just like all the other boys over in 
the Dunce Corner. They evidently need something to talk about. You can only 
listen to bawee for so long.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Xeno - in absentia

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ah, and the lurking reporter.  Who can forget the lurking reporter.  Always 
holding that over our heads.   

 BW:  Okay now, watch yourself, or I'll tell my lurking reporter about you.
 

 Do ya think, he, like never got over the imaginary friend kids often have, and 
it developed into this final manifestation of "The Lurking Reporter"  
 

 I wonder... 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 He wrote a pretty good review of Deadwood, the TV series.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 lol...
 

 But I also have to admit, I did find some good things from his reviews. His 
taste and mine diverged widely, to say the least, but now and then they 
intersected.

Sal 
 


 
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:12 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


  or his tits and ass tv and movie reviews
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Wow, look at the post count discrepancy between the Coroner and FFL. I know he 
can't post here but I know he's reading, just like all the other boys over in 
the Dunce Corner. They evidently need something to talk about. You can only 
listen to bawee for so long.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] For Xeno - in absentia

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

the "hands off" appears to be working, on FFL, at least. 

 I wonder if the Amen Corner folks will start to migrate back to FFL-2?
 

 I can just hear it now, the Grand Poobah, Barry Wright himself will issue of 
proclamation, with half a dozen "whereases", announcing his re-entrance into 
Alex's place.  And the little ducklings will follow.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Everybody must still be "on vacation" (snicker)

Sal 
 

 No doubt. It appears FFL is making a sort of comeback. The Corner seems to be 
folding in on itself.
 


 
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:42 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:


 Wow, look at the post count discrepancy between the Coroner and FFL. I know he 
can't post here but I know he's reading, just like all the other boys over in 
the Dunce Corner. They evidently need something to talk about. You can only 
listen to bawee for so long.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Xeno - in absentia

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 or his tits and ass tv and movie reviews
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wow, look at the post count discrepancy between the Coroner and FFL. I know he 
can't post here but I know he's reading, just like all the other boys over in 
the Dunce Corner. They evidently need something to talk about. You can only 
listen to bawee for so long.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fodder for the Next Debate

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I  understand, and it's no big deal.  I like Ollie, have nothing against him.  
I just find that his put downs lack a certain nuance, or maybe they have an 
element of panic, unlike yours Ann, which seem to have a degree of separation.  
I don't know if that makes sense. 

 Sort of like having what could be a funny joke, but messing up the punch line. 
 Or maybe not varying the material a tad.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks for all the comedic breaks.  Geez, you are hilarious.  ROTFloor on this 
one "before they steal our jobs overseas, and take 'em to Mexico..."
 

 I totally agree. Ollie is brilliant in nailing the bastard - every time. I 
don't understand how Steve, and I like Steve and find him hilarious - 
especially when baiting bawee - can not appreciate Ollie's take downs of Trump.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I heard Trump locks himself in his "water closet" now, curls on the floor in 
the fetal position, turns off the lights, and whimpers in the dark. When 
Melania asks him, through the door, what's wrong, he 'explains' its just the 
plumbing sounds:

"I'm not sayin' there's a conspiracy - your bathroom has good plumbing, mine 
not so much...even though I have a beautiful bathroom, the best 
bathroom...everybody wants to use my bathroom...no one wants to use crooked 
Hillary's bathroom...mine has plumbing sounds, it could be the Chinese, the 
game is rigged, we need to keep them out to lunch, like Rosie, who deserves it, 
so punch 'em in the face before they steal our jobs overseas, and take 'em to 
Mexico..."

"...but seriously, people just love this bathroom...don't you love this 
bathroom?...why wouldn't you love this bathroom? It is the best bathroom...I 
spend a LOT of time in here, and this bathroom is not a problem, there is no 
problem I assure you...everybody loves this bathroom..."

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There will be no lack of material to agonize over at the next debate. Trump 
better start composing his tweets now... It is particularly interesting to read 
the whole article in order to understand the ramifications of his tax dodging. 
It goes beyond just being smart and having a good tax accountant.
 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html






  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trump tweets angrily at 2AM

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Interesting book synopsis. 

 What I found curious, and which I have not heard much talked about, is Trump's 
unwillingness to criticize the Russians and in particularly Putin.  Yea, I get 
why that is, even though it's a glaring tell. Trump identifies with the 
dictator role, not to mention the hacking, of course.
 

 But, what I find strange is how Trump's BFF is Sean Hannity, the ultra 
"Patriot".
 

 It doesn't seem much of leap to see Hannity, as an "unindicted co-conspirator" 
in this regard.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks - Here, learn something while you are at it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/books/hitler-ascent-volker-ullrich.html?_r=0 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/books/hitler-ascent-volker-ullrich.html?_r=0
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Carry on, Ol.  Just funny to see Groundhog Day play out with you!  (-: 

 Oh, always glad to see the Hitler default card played.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have said positive things about Trump, like he could probably handle the job 
of White House groundskeeper after Hillary's election. I have no idea why you 
are looking for "positive things to say" about Trump! Shit, Hitler was 
apparently nice to children - Yes, there is a parallel. I consider Donnie to be 
the most dangerous and unqualified candidate to ever attempt the presidency. 
And he is an asshole to everyone he meets. Thanks for the opportunity to 
clarify my feelings. Get over yourself.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, what would happen if you dared to say something positive about Trump.   

 I mean, you've been on this tirade non stop for about three months now, 
without a pause.
 

 Maybe, for the sake of a change, take a different tack for maybe 24 hours.  Or 
maybe a few minutes.
 

 Can you think of something positive to say about him.  Non sarcastic, possibly.
 

 Steve, as hard as I try every day to find one single redeeming feature about 
this excuse for a human being I fail every time. Seriously. I have no agenda to 
continually find fault with him, but one of the mysteries of this world that 
will go with me to the grave is how one single person on this planet can not 
possibly see how corrupt, mentally ill, greedy, distorted and pathetic this man 
Trump is. I might be blind, he could be the next enlightened and magnanimous 
leader for America but I fail to grasp the reality of this. The sooner he 
crawls back to the maggoty hole he came from the better. Nov. 8 can not come 
soon enough. The next 5 weeks will simply continue to ramp up his illustration 
of how wacko he is - like some phase shift of what the human psyche is capable 
of as it ultimately implodes. The end result isn't going to be pretty.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 He needs to quit this campaign nonsense, and see a psychotherapist 
immediately. Mentally and physically ill - easily 100 pounds overweight, and 
given his marked rise in irrationality as the night wears on, perhaps a secret 
drinker. With all the secrets he keeps and the lies he tells, there is 
something very wrong with this punk.

 

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trump tweets angrily at 2AM

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Wow, someone actually put some thought into a critique rather than the rote 
insults we see, particularly from Ollie.   

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, in the realm of gender politics, if one believes that it is time for a 
woman to be President, than given the current level of sexism and systemic 
barriers present in our society at large and in so many of its citizens, a 
candidate such as Drumpf has been a great blessing. In many ways, he has driven 
many to question their blind allegiances and internal prejudices about so many 
things. He has forced us, as a nation, to a decision point. He is serving an 
important role (that's the most positive thing I can say about Trump - I 
haven't noted any redeeming personal qualities as of yet.)  If Hillary had any 
plausible opposing candidate, her path to the highest political position in the 
nation would be much more difficult.  As stated on The_Peak, it is her time. 
Why? Because here she is and here Trump is and he does not represent a "choice" 
for anyone sane, imho!  I am thrilled to see the polls finally starting to 
reflect reality.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have said positive things about Trump, like he could probably handle the job 
of White House groundskeeper after Hillary's election. I have no idea why you 
are looking for "positive things to say" about Trump! Shit, Hitler was 
apparently nice to children - Yes, there is a parallel. I consider Donnie to be 
the most dangerous and unqualified candidate to ever attempt the presidency. 
And he is an asshole to everyone he meets. Thanks for the opportunity to 
clarify my feelings. Get over yourself.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, what would happen if you dared to say something positive about Trump.   

 I mean, you've been on this tirade non stop for about three months now, 
without a pause.
 

 Maybe, for the sake of a change, take a different tack for maybe 24 hours.  Or 
maybe a few minutes.
 

 Can you think of something positive to say about him.  Non sarcastic, possibly.
 

 Steve, as hard as I try every day to find one single redeeming feature about 
this excuse for a human being I fail every time. Seriously. I have no agenda to 
continually find fault with him, but one of the mysteries of this world that 
will go with me to the grave is how one single person on this planet can not 
possibly see how corrupt, mentally ill, greedy, distorted and pathetic this man 
Trump is. I might be blind, he could be the next enlightened and magnanimous 
leader for America but I fail to grasp the reality of this. The sooner he 
crawls back to the maggoty hole he came from the better. Nov. 8 can not come 
soon enough. The next 5 weeks will simply continue to ramp up his illustration 
of how wacko he is - like some phase shift of what the human psyche is capable 
of as it ultimately implodes. The end result isn't going to be pretty.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 He needs to quit this campaign nonsense, and see a psychotherapist 
immediately. Mentally and physically ill - easily 100 pounds overweight, and 
given his marked rise in irrationality as the night wears on, perhaps a secret 
drinker. With all the secrets he keeps and the lies he tells, there is 
something very wrong with this punk.

 

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Energy level remains pretty good.  Don't have a choice, really.  Sometimes 
start to drag around 3:00, and look forward to around 5:00 when I can get a 
half hour of meditation in.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How's your energy level?  We spend years suppressing the sympathetic nervous 
system in fear of being rajasic.  So we become more imbalanced toward the 
parasympathetic side.  The whole yoga thing is to calm the sympathetic system 
but it's NOT supposed to weaken it.  Indian's don't have to worry as they are 
naturally sympathetic dominant but some of us westerners, particularly creative 
types tend to be more parasympathetic dominant.  We may have trouble getting 
out of bed in the morning, want to nap in the afternoon and eating like 
everyone else piles the weight on.  We need coffee more than beer.
 
 TM talks a lot about the autonomic nervous system but I few understand it any 
more than folks here actually understand the nature of politics. Zing!
 
 On 09/30/2016 07:01 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Obviously.  My eating habits have not changed much in thirty years, but 
weight gain has occurred.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 As we get older with most people the metabolism slows down.  We become slow 
oxidizers and not just eating less and exercising more won't help. Often 
supplementation is needed to help restore the metabolism to more like it was in 
our younger years.
 
 On 09/30/2016 04:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.
 
 
 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 
 
 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 
 
 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 
 
 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 
 
 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 
 
 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:salsunshineiniowa@... wrote :
 
 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



 On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 
 
 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trump tweets angrily at 2AM

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Carry on, Ol.  Just funny to see Groundhog Day play out with you!  (-: 

 Oh, always glad to see the Hitler default card played.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have said positive things about Trump, like he could probably handle the job 
of White House groundskeeper after Hillary's election. I have no idea why you 
are looking for "positive things to say" about Trump! Shit, Hitler was 
apparently nice to children - Yes, there is a parallel. I consider Donnie to be 
the most dangerous and unqualified candidate to ever attempt the presidency. 
And he is an asshole to everyone he meets. Thanks for the opportunity to 
clarify my feelings. Get over yourself.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, what would happen if you dared to say something positive about Trump.   

 I mean, you've been on this tirade non stop for about three months now, 
without a pause.
 

 Maybe, for the sake of a change, take a different tack for maybe 24 hours.  Or 
maybe a few minutes.
 

 Can you think of something positive to say about him.  Non sarcastic, possibly.
 

 Steve, as hard as I try every day to find one single redeeming feature about 
this excuse for a human being I fail every time. Seriously. I have no agenda to 
continually find fault with him, but one of the mysteries of this world that 
will go with me to the grave is how one single person on this planet can not 
possibly see how corrupt, mentally ill, greedy, distorted and pathetic this man 
Trump is. I might be blind, he could be the next enlightened and magnanimous 
leader for America but I fail to grasp the reality of this. The sooner he 
crawls back to the maggoty hole he came from the better. Nov. 8 can not come 
soon enough. The next 5 weeks will simply continue to ramp up his illustration 
of how wacko he is - like some phase shift of what the human psyche is capable 
of as it ultimately implodes. The end result isn't going to be pretty.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 He needs to quit this campaign nonsense, and see a psychotherapist 
immediately. Mentally and physically ill - easily 100 pounds overweight, and 
given his marked rise in irrationality as the night wears on, perhaps a secret 
drinker. With all the secrets he keeps and the lies he tells, there is 
something very wrong with this punk.

 

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump tweets angrily at 2AM

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I am not sure how it will pertain to the students and classes.  There is some 
elevated degree of security, and the word I heard was that at some point there 
would be not access to the campus.  This probably does not pertain to students, 
I guess.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The entire Wash U campus is going to be shut down?? What about, you know, 
their *students*? 

 Can’t believe that’s going to happen, or that it happens at the other 
schools/universities they hold these things at.  Might tick off the 
parents/trustees just a tad.
 
 Sal 
 

 



On Oct 1, 2016, at 9:10 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

Yea, I understand.  I guess the next debate is going to happen. 

 An interesting little tidbit.  Our company has been busy, quite busy, for the 
last three weeks supplying all manner of supplies to the campus as they ramp up 
for the debate.
 

 The secret service has been there in force all during that time, and the 
entire campus will be shut down, I believe starting this weekend.
 

 They recently ordered, not from us, 500 sheets of plywood to cover a field for 
the media trucks.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Ollie, what would happen if you dared to say something positive about Trump.   

 I mean, you've been on this tirade non stop for about three months now, 
without a pause.
 

 Maybe, for the sake of a change, take a different tack for maybe 24 hours.  Or 
maybe a few minutes.
 

 Can you think of something positive to say about him.  Non sarcastic, possibly.
 

 Steve, as hard as I try every day to find one single redeeming feature about 
this excuse for a human being I fail every time. Seriously. I have no agenda to 
continually find fault with him, but one of the mysteries of this world that 
will go with me to the grave is how one single person on this planet can not 
possibly see how corrupt, mentally ill, greedy, distorted and pathetic this man 
Trump is. I might be blind, he could be the next enlightened and magnanimous 
leader for America but I fail to grasp the reality of this. The sooner he 
crawls back to the maggoty hole he came from the better. Nov. 8 can not come 
soon enough. The next 5 weeks will simply continue to ramp up his illustration 
of how wacko he is - like some phase shift of what the human psyche is capable 
of as it ultimately implodes. The end result isn't going to be pretty.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 He needs to quit this campaign nonsense, and see a psychotherapist 
immediately. Mentally and physically ill - easily 100 pounds overweight, and 
given his marked rise in irrationality as the night wears on, perhaps a secret 
drinker. With all the secrets he keeps and the lies he tells, there is 
something very wrong with this punk.

 

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html










 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ann, you've got me there!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Now, wait a minute.  He is not alone in being selfish about his interests.  I 
would say that is the rule rather than the exception particularly when there is 
money at stake.
 

 So, because the world is filled with thousands of people with selfish 
interests that are motivated by greed I am supposed to overlook this in someone 
who wants to lead the free world? That is a ridiculous argument, Steve. Whoever 
gets the Presidential job needs to at least be better at hiding the fact that 
they are self-centered ego-maniacs whose only reason they get out of bed in the 
morning is the motivation to keep lining their pockets with other people's 
hard-earned cash. I would certainly hope the majority of American voters will 
not brush off Trump's greed and corruption with the justification that there 
are many greedy and corrupt people in the world. Surely our standards can be 
just a tad higher than that?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 snip
  Someone like Trump worrying more about his image in the pageant business than 
the mental and physical health of one of the winners is indicative of what we 
all already know - it's all about him and the rest of you be damned.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trump tweets angrily at 2AM

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yea, I understand.  I guess the next debate is going to happen. 

 An interesting little tidbit.  Our company has been busy, quite busy, for the 
last three weeks supplying all manner of supplies to the campus as they ramp up 
for the debate.
 

 The secret service has been there in force all during that time, and the 
entire campus will be shut down, I believe starting this weekend.
 

 They recently ordered, not from us, 500 sheets of plywood to cover a field for 
the media trucks.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, what would happen if you dared to say something positive about Trump.   

 I mean, you've been on this tirade non stop for about three months now, 
without a pause.
 

 Maybe, for the sake of a change, take a different tack for maybe 24 hours.  Or 
maybe a few minutes.
 

 Can you think of something positive to say about him.  Non sarcastic, possibly.
 

 Steve, as hard as I try every day to find one single redeeming feature about 
this excuse for a human being I fail every time. Seriously. I have no agenda to 
continually find fault with him, but one of the mysteries of this world that 
will go with me to the grave is how one single person on this planet can not 
possibly see how corrupt, mentally ill, greedy, distorted and pathetic this man 
Trump is. I might be blind, he could be the next enlightened and magnanimous 
leader for America but I fail to grasp the reality of this. The sooner he 
crawls back to the maggoty hole he came from the better. Nov. 8 can not come 
soon enough. The next 5 weeks will simply continue to ramp up his illustration 
of how wacko he is - like some phase shift of what the human psyche is capable 
of as it ultimately implodes. The end result isn't going to be pretty.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 He needs to quit this campaign nonsense, and see a psychotherapist 
immediately. Mentally and physically ill - easily 100 pounds overweight, and 
given his marked rise in irrationality as the night wears on, perhaps a secret 
drinker. With all the secrets he keeps and the lies he tells, there is 
something very wrong with this punk.

 

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Actually, no snacking during the day, but generally a calorie rich diet. FWIW.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well then, I would call you disciplined.  I eat two meals a day and snack in 
between, and have a soda habit that I have discussed here often.  I don't often 
feel that my stomach is empty, and judging by most people I see, I don't think 
they do either.  It sounds like you have a healthy weight, and you exercise.   

 If you feel that is typical of most people, then you must live in a community 
where good habits are more in evidence.
 

 Is Fairfield like that?
 

 Oh, am I sick?  I don't think so. The battery of tests I underwent with my 
plane episode came back indicating no issues.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you kidding Steve??  Of course I feel “genuinely" hungry!  (What other 
kind of hunger is there?) Every day, usually about 4-5 hours after I eat a 
regular meal, and my stomach is once more empty.  Especially if I’ve gotten a 
fair amount of exercise, then it might be sooner. Making sure I eat enough 
protein with each meal helps keep the hunger pangs away for a bit longer. 

 I’m not sure I understand why you don’t, and if you really don’t, why losing 
weight is an issue.
 

 You’re not sick are you?
 
 Sal 
 

 




On Sep 30, 2016, at 6:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not. 

 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 

 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 

 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 

 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 

 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 

 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Obviously.  My eating habits have not changed much in thirty years, but weight 
gain has occurred.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As we get older with most people the metabolism slows down.  We become slow 
oxidizers and not just eating less and exercising more won't help. Often 
supplementation is needed to help restore the metabolism to more like it was in 
our younger years.
 
 On 09/30/2016 04:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.
 
 
 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 
 
 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 
 
 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 
 
 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 
 
 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 
 
 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:salsunshineiniowa@... wrote :
 
 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



 On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 
 
 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 
 
 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?
 
 


 





 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Well then, I would call you disciplined.  I eat two meals a day and snack in 
between, and have a soda habit that I have discussed here often.  I don't often 
feel that my stomach is empty, and judging by most people I see, I don't think 
they do either.  It sounds like you have a healthy weight, and you exercise.   

 If you feel that is typical of most people, then you must live in a community 
where good habits are more in evidence.
 

 Is Fairfield like that?
 

 Oh, am I sick?  I don't think so. The battery of tests I underwent with my 
plane episode came back indicating no issues.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you kidding Steve??  Of course I feel “genuinely" hungry!  (What other 
kind of hunger is there?) Every day, usually about 4-5 hours after I eat a 
regular meal, and my stomach is once more empty.  Especially if I’ve gotten a 
fair amount of exercise, then it might be sooner. Making sure I eat enough 
protein with each meal helps keep the hunger pangs away for a bit longer. 

 I’m not sure I understand why you don’t, and if you really don’t, why losing 
weight is an issue.
 

 You’re not sick are you?
 
 Sal 
 

 




On Sep 30, 2016, at 6:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not. 

 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 

 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 

 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 

 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 

 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 

 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 









 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Of course
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, the majority consensus of people who screw up and embarrass themselves 
when they get in an argument with me, as you've done so often. No surprise 
there.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You're pretty weird, Judy, and live in weird world where you twist things 
around to suit your needs.  Nothing new, of course, but pretty much makes 
normal dialog with you impossible. Of course that's been the consensus for as 
long as you've been on these groups.  At least the majority consensus. 

 But, as a study of certain kind of twisted dysfunctionality, you are 
interesting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Strange, the misconceptions people live with.  
 

 If I had to hazard a guess, I would say it indicates the inability to hold 
opposing points of view in one's mind. 
 

 Sorta like, "If I can't do it, no one can"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, I support the female candidate. Hillary looked fantastic on the 
debate stage, while Trump looked like some old guy you might see in a corner of 
a bar somewhere, talking too loudly and generally being a boor. Hillary was 
sharp and poised, completely in charge of her material and her emotions. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male 
candidate. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trump tweets angrily at 2AM

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ollie, what would happen if you dared to say something positive about Trump.   

 I mean, you've been on this tirade non stop for about three months now, 
without a pause.
 

 Maybe, for the sake of a change, take a different tack for maybe 24 hours.  Or 
maybe a few minutes.
 

 Can you think of something positive to say about him.  Non sarcastic, possibly.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 He needs to quit this campaign nonsense, and see a psychotherapist 
immediately. Mentally and physically ill - easily 100 pounds overweight, and 
given his marked rise in irrationality as the night wears on, perhaps a secret 
drinker. With all the secrets he keeps and the lies he tells, there is 
something very wrong with this punk.

 

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Now, wait a minute.  He is not alone in being selfish about his interests.  I 
would say that is the rule rather than the exception particularly when there is 
money at stake.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 snip
  Someone like Trump worrying more about his image in the pageant business than 
the mental and physical health of one of the winners is indicative of what we 
all already know - it's all about him and the rest of you be damned.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not. 

 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 

 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 

 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 

 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 

 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 

 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

FWIW, I had missed this.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Your source for the 60-pound figure is what, now? ---In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, of course.  Men too.  When I first started in my business, I would wear a 
dress paints, jacket, button shirt and tie.  Then I graduated to  just a dress 
pants, and button down shirt.  I was pretty much following the lead of my 
customers.  Now it is polo type shirt during warm weather, and pullover type 
polo during cold weather.  I mention that because the button down shirt allowed 
me hide a little extra weight better than the polos. 

 My wife successfully just lost some extra weight that she had put on.  Feels 
really good about it.  And yes, she was much more self conscious about the 
extra weight than I am.  And yes, it affected how she dressed, etc.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You can't always tell from pictures. Women have a way of hiding it.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to 
show a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things.  I can see 
where that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for 
practical purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her position 
and title. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to show 
a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things.  I can see where 
that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for practical 
purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her position and title. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You're pretty weird, Judy, and live in weird world where you twist things 
around to suit your needs.  Nothing new, of course, but pretty much makes 
normal dialog with you impossible. Of course that's been the consensus for as 
long as you've been on these groups.  At least the majority consensus. 

 But, as a study of certain kind of twisted dysfunctionality, you are 
interesting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?