Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of agriculture uses. LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open market priced and promoted as if it were proven. that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in. and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get real data. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on this list, that people have come on to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan. Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet, and then just last week I went back to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each time I have been told, emphatically that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called Imulan twice and each time she has been turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical data. If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I would appreciate the information. Thanks Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote: . promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of agriculture uses. LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open market priced and promoted as if it were proven. that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in. and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get real data. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
Would be interesting to hear from folks who have used Imulan - Gloria On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on this list, that people have come on to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan. Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet, and then just last week I went back to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each time I have been told, emphatically that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called Imulan twice and each time she has been turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical data. If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I would appreciate the information. Thanks Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote: . promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of agriculture uses. LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open market priced and promoted as if it were proven. that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in. and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get real data. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] IMULAN
After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
Alice, I am so sorry to hear about all your losses. That's just too much loss for just a few months. Gentle Bridge vibes to Schatzi, Buster, Oni and Jack, and hugs to you. Best wishes for Rosie and Murphy to beat the odds. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] IMULAN After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
I do that too - try things to see what works, when they sound possible and likely. When they can't breathe, due to mediastinal lymphoma, I have the fluid drawn off, and after that it's up for grabs - have treated each one differently. One of them, Mittens, I treated that way, and the vet treated him with Vincristine (chemotherapy) for a few weeks. He had transfusions too. He died quietly of anemia, most likely. Course there are different types of FELV that morph into different symptoms and problems. I have one friend who has had hers on oral interferon alpha daily, and kitty has made it past 3 years, think is now 5 or 6. Thanks for your email, Gloria On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives- These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now- they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old- I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
yes, a sanctuary in every ton would be ideal, but so would a world where people did not hurt one another and animals just for the fun of it. until that tim, we have to do the best we can for ourselves and our animals. try to live our lives as an example to othersand hope they catch on. till that time, i will continue to take in any cat that comes my way, give them love, shelter and food. what time God gives them on this earth will at least be happier for them. this time around, i got 2 by way of my vet. he can't stand to put them down, so he fixes/heals them and waits for me t come in. he said i have sucker written on my forehead just as plain as day. dorlis MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: just to cause more trouble, as i'm so good at doing, not separating is NOT necessarily the worse thing, if death is the only alternative. FIVs are generally the healthiest populations at any sanctuary, and they throw off FeLV at the same or possibly a higher rate than any other cat--double-positives will often end up testing positive only for FIV after living in a FeLV environment. remember that most cats who end up in sanctuary settings are NOT up for adoption--if they were considered adoptable, and rescues or shelters were willing to try to find them homes, they wouldn't be going to sanctuaries. while some sanctuaries do have active adoption programs, many do not, for very good reasons: they have to spend their time and money taking care of unwanted, undesirable, unadoptable cats. folks who are willing to adopt FIVs and FeLVs are far more willing, also, to be--or equally willing to be--educable about the facts re: the two viruses, and understand that living with FeLVs in order to live doesn't mean you're gonna BE one of the them. which is not a blanket endorsement of the practice, but if we truly believe what we're saying, and what the research is showing us, we have to carry it out further--it'd be great if there were an FIV/FeLV sanctuary in every town, with a separate room for each population, but it ain't happening, and these cats do NOT deserve to die for lack of space. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Darcy Is An Angel Now
Dr. Fox had a letter in his column recently from a lady whose cat suddenly lost control of her back legs and was screaming constantly. he said this often happens expecially with older cats. they develope a blood clot and it lodges in the spie just before the hind legs, causing paralysis. if you get to the hospital fast enough, can remove/disolve the clot releaving the painand paralysis. not so with an older cat, they usually cnnot take the anethesia. dorlis Jody Butler jbutler5...@bellsouth.net wrote: Thank you all for the words of support. Sweet Darcy went downhill so fast, becoming unable to walk. I drove to an emergency clinic where they did their best for her through the weekend. Yesterday we helped her to the Bridge, knowing there was just no more anyone could do. Her FeLv wouldn't let her fight off the ravages of whatever attacked her - probably a cancer that centered in her nervous system. We miss her dreadfully but know she had a good life with us, short though it was. She was much loved. Jody Help blind cats see a future! www.blindcatrescue.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
Yeah, that and an end to world hunger and peace in our timeTill, then, we just keep treading water and do the best we can. - Original Message From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:40:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary yes, a sanctuary in every ton would be ideal, but so would a world where people did not hurt one another and animals just for the fun of it. until that tim, we have to do the best we can for ourselves and our animals. try to live our lives as an example to othersand hope they catch on. till that time, i will continue to take in any cat that comes my way, give them love, shelter and food. what time God gives them on this earth will at least be happier for them. this time around, i got 2 by way of my vet. he can't stand to put them down, so he fixes/heals them and waits for me t come in. he said i have sucker written on my forehead just as plain as day. dorlis MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: just to cause more trouble, as i'm so good at doing, not separating is NOT necessarily the worse thing, if death is the only alternative. FIVs are generally the healthiest populations at any sanctuary, and they throw off FeLV at the same or possibly a higher rate than any other cat--double-positives will often end up testing positive only for FIV after living in a FeLV environment. remember that most cats who end up in sanctuary settings are NOT up for adoption--if they were considered adoptable, and rescues or shelters were willing to try to find them homes, they wouldn't be going to sanctuaries. while some sanctuaries do have active adoption programs, many do not, for very good reasons: they have to spend their time and money taking care of unwanted, undesirable, unadoptable cats. folks who are willing to adopt FIVs and FeLVs are far more willing, also, to be--or equally willing to be--educable about the facts re: the two viruses, and understand that living with FeLVs in order to live doesn't mean you're gonna BE one of the them. which is not a blanket endorsement of the practice, but if we truly believe what we're saying, and what the research is showing us, we have to carry it out further--it'd be great if there were an FIV/FeLV sanctuary in every town, with a separate room for each population, but it ain't happening, and these cats do NOT deserve to die for lack of space. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
if the cats have plenty of room to avoid a cat they don't like or that doesn't like them, shelter, food and someone to scratch their chin, rub their back, play with them a bit and lots of windows to look out, maybe even an outside play room, i think they would think that ideal. my babies do. they don't need me too much, just to open the cans, open and close the doors and provide a lap for personal nap time. dorlis MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: of course if depends on quality of life, but you also have to have a realistic definition of what that means. i've found that many people tend to judge quality of life in human terms, and in light of what they would like to be able to provide to a housecat--and that is NOT necessarily what a sanctuary can and even should be able to provide. people often have unrealistic expectation of the places that take in the unwanted, and while there are DEFINITELY enough horror stories to go around, until more folks can step up and share the burden, they perhaps need to revise down their own personal standards. let's have a task force of folks who volunteer to go to sanctuaries nearby where they live, and report back to the rest of us. let's talk with people who've had to try to make decisions regarding how best to care for large number of critters, and see what it's like to make the choices needed. let's ask the cats -- you can tell happy cats when you see them, and plush surroundings are NOT the standard MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] quality of life/fates worse than death
forgot t add good medical care. dorlis MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: not exactly what we were talking about, but then again. http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=95876917773h=zHhF_u=bAdDOref=nf -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone on LiveJournal's catlovers group?
i am always getting those messages. they tell me i am using the wrong email or password. got the things written down in a book and same ones i have been using for years. hate those messags. dorlis MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: uh oh, am i being technologically backward again? it keeps telling me i'm not authorized to see the entry, and yes, i AM registered on the site -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
do they ask for donations when you send a cat there or do they leave that up to you? i was thinking of taking out a small life policy to go with my babies when the time comes. make them the beneficiary. dorlis Alice Hanson alicehans...@msn.com wrote: It is a good place, Sharyl. One of my beloved kitties, Milo, lives there. They send you pictures and newsletters too. You made the right choice. Alice - Original Message - From: Sharylmailto:cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary I had the opportunity to visit the CW Rustic Hollow Shelter in IA. Looking for a forever home for my cats when I die. They have a excellent set up with multiple houses/buildings/barns. Each building is heated and has air conditioning. Most windows have an attached screened-in enclosure so the kitties can enjoy the nice weather. There are several TVs in each building running kitties videos. Most of the buildings are old but it is obvious the kitties are well loved. In addition to a paid staff, volunteers come in every day to feed the kitties and scoop the litter boxes. The rooms had hand me down furniture for the kitties to lounge on. It isn't the Ritz but everything was clean. They have a board of directors and plans in place to keep the facility going if/when something happens to the original owners. Most importantly they will take FeLV+ kitties and other special needs kitties. I am having my will changed so my cats will go there when the time comes. I sponsor one of their kitties with neurological issues. Here is the link to their web site if anyone is interested. http://www.rustichollowshelter.org/http://www.rustichollowshelter.org/ Sharyl --- On Mon, 6/1/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.commailto:twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.commailto:twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 4:45 PM of course if depends on quality of life, but you also have to have a realistic definition of what that means. i've found that many people tend to judge quality of life in human terms, and in light of what they would like to be able to provide to a housecat--and that is NOT necessarily what a sanctuary can and even should be able to provide. people often have unrealistic expectation of the places that take in the unwanted, and while there are DEFINITELY enough horror stories to go around, until more folks can step up and share the burden, they perhaps need to revise down their own personal standards. let's have a task force of folks who volunteer to go to sanctuaries nearby where they live, and report back to the rest of us. let's talk with people who've had to try to make decisions regarding how best to care for large number of critters, and see what it's like to make the choices needed. let's ask the cats -- you can tell happy cats when you see them, and plush surroundings are NOT the standard MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.orghttp://www.purebredcats.org/) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
Jane, Contact me at cstet...@hotmail.com, I will share my vets info. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote: This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on this list, that people have come on to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan. Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet, and then just last week I went back to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each time I have been told, emphatically that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called Imulan twice and each time she has been turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical data. If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I would appreciate the information. Thanks Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote: . promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of agriculture uses. LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open market priced and promoted as if it were proven. that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in. and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get real data. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tigerlily Please add to the CLS :(
me too! i lost 2 close a month apart last year, then my father (92) and then my last baby who was 18. he took care of father his last year, coming for me when father called me and sitting on the cornerf his bed, never leaving him. he died 1 week after father. of course, God gave me 6 more in rapid succession to take his place and now my life is full again. dorlis LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: I am so sorry, Sherry. I just wish all this dying would stop. I lost Patrick (non-FeLV) Friday night. He was a 14 year old shelter dump (we're moving and can't take our 14 year old cat) who I only had for a couple of months. He seemed to be adjusting really well at my house -- but he'd been a little off the day before, quiet and sitting in a corner. By Friday morning I knew he wasn't going to last. I buried him next to Charlotte in the fern garden. Losing 2 cats in less than a month is really hard. It just makes me appreciate the ones who are still with me even more. --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Tigerlily Please add to the CLS :( To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 9:08 PM I am so sorry to say that Tigerlily lost her battle yesterday.She had quickly deteriorated overnight.She was one of those cats that won you over right away.She had a way of talking to you with littlr ppss.This has been a rough week for us volunteers,but even rougher for Dr. Jen. Yesterday I forwarded a few of your kind words to her and it really made her feel good.She said she really needed it. So thank you all for being there. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
I can really understand your desperation, Alice. I really hope the Imulan works. We'll be waiting for your updates and hoping that Rosie and Murphy live a very long life. Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now- they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old- I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
We have been using it for a while with good luck. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Would be interesting to hear from folks who have used Imulan - Gloria On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on this list, that people have come on to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan. Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet, and then just last week I went back to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each time I have been told, emphatically that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called Imulan twice and each time she has been turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical data. If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I would appreciate the information. Thanks Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote: . promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of agriculture uses. LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open market priced and promoted as if it were proven. that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in. and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get real data. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
and as someone once told me, forget about visualizing world peace, it's time we start ACTUALIZING it love one another. i don't recall that statement coming with a number-of-legs or freedom-from-virii condition. MC On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.comwrote: Yeah, that and an end to world hunger and peace in our timeTill, then, we just keep treading water and do the best we can. - Original Message From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:40:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary yes, a sanctuary in every ton would be ideal, but so would a world where people did not hurt one another and animals just for the fun of it. until that tim, we have to do the best we can for ourselves and our animals. try to live our lives as an example to othersand hope they catch on. till that time, i will continue to take in any cat that comes my way, give them love, shelter and food. what time God gives them on this earth will at least be happier for them. this time around, i got 2 by way of my vet. he can't stand to put them down, so he fixes/heals them and waits for me t come in. he said i have sucker written on my forehead just as plain as day. dorlis MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: just to cause more trouble, as i'm so good at doing, not separating is NOT necessarily the worse thing, if death is the only alternative. FIVs are generally the healthiest populations at any sanctuary, and they throw off FeLV at the same or possibly a higher rate than any other cat--double-positives will often end up testing positive only for FIV after living in a FeLV environment. remember that most cats who end up in sanctuary settings are NOT up for adoption--if they were considered adoptable, and rescues or shelters were willing to try to find them homes, they wouldn't be going to sanctuaries. while some sanctuaries do have active adoption programs, many do not, for very good reasons: they have to spend their time and money taking care of unwanted, undesirable, unadoptable cats. folks who are willing to adopt FIVs and FeLVs are far more willing, also, to be--or equally willing to be--educable about the facts re: the two viruses, and understand that living with FeLVs in order to live doesn't mean you're gonna BE one of the them. which is not a blanket endorsement of the practice, but if we truly believe what we're saying, and what the research is showing us, we have to carry it out further--it'd be great if there were an FIV/FeLV sanctuary in every town, with a separate room for each population, but it ain't happening, and these cats do NOT deserve to die for lack of space. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
i, too, hope that LCTI works--we need a miracle. On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote: I can really understand your desperation, Alice. I really hope the Imulan works. We'll be waiting for your updates and hoping that Rosie and Murphy live a very long life. Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
I've gotten MeMe past the three year hurdle using Interferon alpha, DMG and a raw diet. Considering how sick she was when we got her, every day is a miracle. Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I do that too - try things to see what works, when they sound possible and likely. When they can't breathe, due to mediastinal lymphoma, I have the fluid drawn off, and after that it's up for grabs - have treated each one differently. One of them, Mittens, I treated that way, and the vet treated him with Vincristine (chemotherapy) for a few weeks. He had transfusions too. He died quietly of anemia, most likely. Course there are different types of FELV that morph into different symptoms and problems. I have one friend who has had hers on oral interferon alpha daily, and kitty has made it past 3 years, think is now 5 or 6. Thanks for your email, Gloria On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT - Feral cat food bank
i am late as usual, so how do i send a couple of bucks for the ferals? dorlis Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, We have started a feral cat food bank here. We have been able to assist some people who were no longer able to feed their colonies to start feeding them again, which makes us very happy, but we need your help. To read more or donate, please see http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals As always, thanks for your support. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Darcy Is An Angel Now
This happened to my sister in laws 18 year old cat and they gave the meds to dissolve clots (don't know what you would need anesthesia for), my SIL had to express her kitties bladder and do physical therapy on his back legs for about a month but after her kitty was back to normal and lived another 2 years. Sometimes the clots will reoccur but didn't in her kitties case. if you get to the hospital fast enough, can remove/dissolve the clot releaving the pain and paralysis. not so with an older cat, they usually cannot take the anethesia. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tigerlily Please add to the CLS :(
unfortunately, they dump their children too. a representative of the Baptist Children's Home in St. Louis was at our church and i was complaining about people dumping their animals. he said the home gets more than you would think that were taken on a picnic or some other outing. parents said oh, i forgot something. you stay here and i will be right back never came back. did leave note pinned on child's clothes asking that they be taken to children's home. how traumatic can that be to a 5 or 6 year old. like i said, until we change the hearts of men, these things will continue. animals are more honest. you know which ones you can and cannot trust. dorlis Alice hanson alicehans...@msn.com wrote: Oh, this just makes me cry!! How could anyone dump a family member of 14 yrs? The poor thing. He must have felt so lonely and scared. I am glad you were there to give him the love he needed. I am SO SORRY for you. Losing a furchild never gets easier. alice Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:46:22 -0700 From: hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tigerlily Please add to the CLS :( I am so sorry, Sherry. I just wish all this dying would stop. I lost Patrick (non-FeLV) Friday night. He was a 14 year old shelter dump (we're moving and can't take our 14 year old cat) who I only had for a couple of months. He seemed to be adjusting really well at my house -- but he'd been a little off the day before, quiet and sitting in a corner. By Friday morning I knew he wasn't going to last. I buried him next to Charlotte in the fern garden. Losing 2 cats in less than a month is really hard. It just makes me appreciate the ones who are still with me even more. --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Tigerlily Please add to the CLS :( To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 9:08 PM I am so sorry to say that Tigerlily lost her battle yesterday.She had quickly deteriorated overnight.She was one of those cats that won you over right away.She had a way of talking to you with littlr ppss.This has been a rough week for us volunteers,but even rougher for Dr. Jen. Yesterday I forwarded a few of your kind words to her and it really made her feel good.She said she really needed it. So thank you all for being there. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sudden passing?
Susan, if you negative cats are up on their shots, let your positive baby in with them. i have 2 positives and they are not seperated. my vet said that as long as the negatives are up on their shots and there are no bloody battles (especially biting), there should be no problem. i tried to keep my first positive seperate and she was miserable. so was i. now everyone is happy, fat and sassy and having a ball. no guilt feelings for keeping them apart. dorlis Susan Finkelstein susani...@msn.com wrote: My FeLV+ 5-year-old (or so) kitty died suddenly over the weekend and I was wondering if anyone has had any similar experiences or heard of any with otherwise (seemingly) healthy leuk-positive cats. He seemed fine, thriving in fact: plump, nice coat, good appetite, good stool, active, affectionate. I found him curled up as if he were sleeping comfortably but he was gone. Thinking back, he may have seemed slightly lethargic for a day or two beforehand, but not enough to warrant any concern at the time on my part. Does anyone know if this happens -- a heart thing? Stroke? Needless to say, the only other FeLV+ cat in the household (they were sequestered together) seems kinda lost, and I am a bit worried that he will be affected physically. Thanks! Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sudden passing?
More often than not a sudden death without any noticeable symptoms is usually heart related. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
Alice, I am so sorry to hear about Schatzi... Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] IMULAN After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sudden passing?
PS. In a young cat especially, undetected HCM usually strikes kitties 6 and under, I had one that was 9 years old die from this. Perfectly healthy until he had a seizure and died. The vet said from the symptoms I described it was heart related. He did check him over to see if he choked on anything but there were no outward symptoms of anything. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan for Jane
Jane, I will see if my vet will talk to yours. Do you want to send me your vet's phone number or email address? Then I will ask my vet if she will contact yours. She may want your vet to contact her. I will just have to ask her. I can't post her contact information here. I have it only because she is also a friend. Is your vet a specialist or GP? Thanks, lauriesk...@mchsi.com -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan Would be interesting to hear from folks who have used Imulan - Gloria On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on this list, that people have come on to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan. Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet, and then just last week I went back to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each time I have been told, emphatically that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called Imulan twice and each time she has been turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical data. If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I would appreciate the information. Thanks Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote: . promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of agriculture uses. LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open market priced and promoted as if it were proven. that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in. and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get real data. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk - freezing interferon
thank you Patricia! i have learned so much from everyone oin this group. when would i have a chance to talk with scientists working with this sort of thing. only wish i could go back to school for the rest of my life andlearn everything that i want to know. so once again, thanks for teaching me something new. dorlis patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: Interferon is a protein. It is dried into a powder which should be able to be frozen with no problem. But when proteins are dissolved into a liquid solution, freezing can be tricky. As a scientist working with a variety of proteins, I can tell you that many proteins will start to break down if frozen more than once. And rapid freezing is preferable to slow freezing. At home, the closest thing to rapid freezing could be done by putting the protein tube into ice in the back of the freezer lowering the temp more rapidly than if you just stick it on the shelf in the freezer. Proteins also generally survive freezing better if they are more dilute and freezing in smaller portions will allow the freezing to go faster than freezing in big portions. If a protein is degraded by freezing, it's structure starts to unwind. Some molecules of the protein in the solution may degrade and others won't so you may still see that the protein has some activity or it may lose all activity. You might see some precipitate in the solution (always a bad sign) or you might not. Without some kind of activity readout, it seems impossible to me to know whether freezing is causing a problem. In summary, I would make up the solution to the appropriate dilution and freeze it in the smallest portions that will work (need appropriate sized containers) in the coldest part of the freezer in ice. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Jack - please add to CLS
Like Mary Christine says - spay and neuter your neighbors. maybe that will make a difference. i know a lot of people i would like to do that to. same ones that don't take care of pets also do not take care of children. when i reported a case of abuse, the investigator said that at least 8 out of 10 cases of abuse he checks on, he also turns in a report of child or spouse abuse. i wonder some times would the world be better off without man? doris Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: First, can I say how annoyed I am with the neighbors? I don't know if yall remember, but Jack was the neighbor's tomcat we got neutered that was pos/pos for FELV and FIV. I try so hard to be charitable with people, and am usually successful, and this person is in a wheelchair, but apparently they saw Jack out in the yard not moving (but still alive) and brought him in and put him on the back porch and he was there 3 days before he died. They didn't call me for assistance, or anything, I would have taken him to the vet and put it on our burgeoning credit card bill. Now they have new kittens which we will have to take to get altered also, or it won't get done...and she took a dog to the pound to be killed because he bit someone - now she wants an Irish Setter puppy..sigh. We have it in our code of ethics that people are animals too, and should be treated well..but sometimes it is just hard. Anyway, please add Jack to the CLS...may he have a better life over the bridge than he did here, and may he forgive me for not doing anything to help him, I would have done so if I had known. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Jack - please add to CLS
just the fact that they did not attempt to do anything for him is considered abuse. Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: Oh, Lord, Kelley, these people really have no right to any pets!!! Poor Jack, I hope he didn't suffer too much. I know he knows you cared and would have helped him. The bigger question is whether he can forgive his boneheaded people. Gentle Bridge vibes to the dear boy. I know you're trying to be charitable, but do you know if they fed and watered Jack during that time? For his sake I pray they did, but if they didn't, doesn't that constitute abuse, and could they not be reported? Or would that open a can of worms with your own situation that you'd rather not? Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 AM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Jack - please add to CLS First, can I say how annoyed I am with the neighbors? I don't know if yall remember, but Jack was the neighbor's tomcat we got neutered that was pos/pos for FELV and FIV. I try so hard to be charitable with people, and am usually successful, and this person is in a wheelchair, but apparently they saw Jack out in the yard not moving (but still alive) and brought him in and put him on the back porch and he was there 3 days before he died. They didn't call me for assistance, or anything, I would have taken him to the vet and put it on our burgeoning credit card bill. Now they have new kittens which we will have to take to get altered also, or it won't get done...and she took a dog to the pound to be killed because he bit someone - now she wants an Irish Setter puppy..sigh. We have it in our code of ethics that people are animals too, and should be treated well..but sometimes it is just hard. Anyway, please add Jack to the CLS...may he have a better life over the bridge than he did here, and may he forgive me for not doing anything to help him, I would have done so if I had known. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Darcy Is An Angel Now
My first FeLV kitty to die had the rear legs stop working and he was unable to eliminate on his own. They checked and it was not a clot, they believed it to be a neurological problem. Most cats with a clot are - as you described - in a lot of pain. With my boy there didn't seem to be any pain. I have seen several others post about similar problems in FeLV cats, I guess it is one of the things that can happen to them. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Jody Butler Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Darcy Is An Angel Now Dr. Fox had a letter in his column recently from a lady whose cat suddenly lost control of her back legs and was screaming constantly. he said this often happens expecially with older cats. they develope a blood clot and it lodges in the spie just before the hind legs, causing paralysis. if you get to the hospital fast enough, can remove/disolve the clot releaving the painand paralysis. not so with an older cat, they usually cnnot take the anethesia. dorlis Jody Butler jbutler5...@bellsouth.net wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Jack - please add to CLS
even people in wheelchairs can use the phone. she could have called you. i am sure she knows you would take thenecessary steps ad foot the bill if she could not afford it. if i were her, i would have done whatever was necessary to help him. if i did not know how to give subq fluids, i would learn by golly. my Lil Bit had t have fuids recently (high creatin and bun) after 1 and 1/2 bags, and antibiotics, she is doing fine now. it was not easy, but it had to be done. if being in a wheelcair meant she could not catch, hold and administer the fluids, she could ask you to do it for her. i am sure she knows you are a sucker for animals, especially cats. i would help someone with their pets even if it meant i had to go without super. oh, Lord, i am making more spelling imstakes every minute. got to stop, back tomorrow. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't ask, didn't want to know really. At this point, there wouldn't be any proof. I could say I don't think they fed their dying cat, but he's gone now. I just kind of got away from her as quick as I could. People in wheelchairs don't have all that many options, though she could have called a taxi - she could have come over here and gotten me, except my porch isn't handicapped accessible - but I'm pretty sure I gave her my # . I think we kind of forget that not everyone knows how to syringe feed, not everyone knows how to give subq fluids, but by damn, I came home very early in my rescue career and my sweet Jasmine had been vomiting and had diarrhea all day and was super dehydrated (was shocked it could happen that fast, but it did) - I realized something was very wrong and got her to the er immediately - she had a raging case of mastitis and had to have surgery and was fine after that up til the day she was stolen under color of law by the state..miss her so much. All I can do is spay and neuter everything that goes into their house, and reiterate to please not take animals to the pound, we will work with them to help find them homes if necessary. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.comwrote: Oh, Lord, Kelley, these people really have no right to any pets!!! Poor Jack, I hope he didn't suffer too much. I know he knows you cared and would have helped him. The bigger question is whether he can forgive his boneheaded people. Gentle Bridge vibes to the dear boy. I know you're trying to be charitable, but do you know if they fed and watered Jack during that time? For his sake I pray they did, but if they didn't, doesn't that constitute abuse, and could they not be reported? Or would that open a can of worms with your own situation that you'd rather not? Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:41 AM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Jack - please add to CLS First, can I say how annoyed I am with the neighbors? I don't know if yall remember, but Jack was the neighbor's tomcat we got neutered that was pos/pos for FELV and FIV. I try so hard to be charitable with people, and am usually successful, and this person is in a wheelchair, but apparently they saw Jack out in the yard not moving (but still alive) and brought him in and put him on the back porch and he was there 3 days before he died. They didn't call me for assistance, or anything, I would have taken him to the vet and put it on our burgeoning credit card bill. Now they have new kittens which we will have to take to get altered also, or it won't get done...and she took a dog to the pound to be killed because he bit someone - now she wants an Irish Setter puppy..sigh. We have it in our code of ethics that people are animals too, and should be treated well..but sometimes it is just hard. Anyway, please add Jack to the CLS...may he have a better life over the bridge than he did here, and may he forgive me for not doing anything to help him, I would have done so if I had known. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Jack - please add to CLS
i'll go for that solution. Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: Or children for that matter, we don't what them bringing more irresponsible idiots into the world, we have enough of those I'm so sorry Kelly. That is heartbreaking. This us why I think people should have to take a test for competency before they are allowed pets. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] World without man
On 08-30, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Like Mary Christine says - spay and neuter your neighbors. maybe that will make a difference. i know a lot of people i would like to do that to. same ones that don't take care of pets also do not take care of children. when i reported a case of abuse, the investigator said that at least 8 out of 10 cases of abuse he checks on, he also turns in a report of child or spouse abuse. i wonder some times would the world be better off without man? doris I wonder about that too Dorlis If God supposedly made man in his image it's not saying much for God. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Jack - please add to CLS
BUT, they amke it so hard for us to be forgiving and wanting to help them. MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: i'm so sorry, hon, for jack, for all the others that these folks will harm due to their ignorance--intentional or not--and for you continuing to have to deal with it. it's important, tho, for us to remember that none of us were born knowing how to recognize the signs of anemia, or how to do sub-q fluids in our sleep in the middle of the night, or that FeLV and FIV aren't transmitted over the airwaves far and wide--and that part of our jobs here, whether we remember signing up or not, is to continue to educate those who seem least interested in being educated. SOMEONE, somewhere, will listen, and hear us, and carry on the message it's a dirty job, and you know the rest of the line MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Jack - please add to CLS
fewer homes for more animals can only be solved oe way. responsible pet ownership means spay and or neuter. don't becomes a part of the problem, be a part of the solution. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm so sorry Kelly. That is heartbreaking. This us why I think people should have to take a test for competency before they are allowed pets. Sharyl, that's a nice idea in theory, but do you know how many animals are killed every year? Fewer homes mean more of them. I did ask how Jack was every time I saw them and they always said fine. Sigh. Back to sweet Jack. Will light a candle for him to help guide him to the Rainbow Bridge where he will be disease free. You did what you could for him. Sharyl --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Jack - please add to CLS To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 1:40 AM First, can I say how annoyed I am with the neighbors? I don't know if yall remember, but Jack was the neighbor's tomcat we got neutered that was pos/pos for FELV and FIV. I try so hard to be charitable with people, and am usually successful, and this person is in a wheelchair, but apparently they saw Jack out in the yard not moving (but still alive) and brought him in and put him on the back porch and he was there 3 days before he died. They didn't call me for assistance, or anything, I would have taken him to the vet and put it on our burgeoning credit card bill. Now they have new kittens which we will have to take to get altered also, or it won't get done...and she took a dog to the pound to be killed because he bit someone - now she wants an Irish Setter puppy..sigh. We have it in our code of ethics that people are animals too, and should be treated well..but sometimes it is just hard. Anyway, please add Jack to the CLS...may he have a better life over the bridge than he did here, and may he forgive me for not doing anything to help him, I would have done so if I had known. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing healthy cats into former FELV+ cat household
my vet said the virus dies when it is dry. just to be sure, wash down with clorox. maybe not the scratching posts since they are usually not washable. wash everything down with cclorox and set out in the sun to dry. doggone...@doggonefit.com wrote: Hello everyone, After many years of rescuing positives, we have been a catless home for a few months and have made a difficult decision to adopt a healthy cat. Can anyone help with decisions on what should stay and what shouldn't? For example, scratching posts, cat carriers. I know there are many different opinions on how long the virus lasts, how well disinfectant work, etc. I would greatly appreciate any help! Thanks! Heidi --Original Message-- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ReplyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] spaying and neutering Sent: Jun 12, 2009 9:18 PM was just on one of my bead websites and someone had asked what colors of Swarovski crystals to use to represent the different cancers (awareness ribbons). i checked it out from curosity and found that the orange ribbon 2 or 3 cancers plus CAT SPAYING AND NEUTERING. we have a ribbon to put on our cars for our furbabies. dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Sent via BlackBerry by ATT ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing healthy cats into former FELV+ cat household
litter boxes - i have one for each cat plus an extra one. for some reason, they all choose to use 2 boxes fr urine and 2 others for stools. the other boxes only get used occassionally. Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: I adopted 3 FeLV- cats 3 1/2 months after Squeaky, FeLV+ died. I don't recall now if I changed water and food bowls. The virus does not live long outside the body. I didn't have carriers or scratching posts with my FeLV+ cats. I was not a very smart guardian when I had them. I always recommend a new litter box with a new cat, regardless of FeLV status. I would probably get new scratchers, too, for the same scent reason. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of doggone...@doggonefit.com Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introducing healthy cats into former FELV+ cat household Hello everyone, After many years of rescuing positives, we have been a catless home for a few months and have made a difficult decision to adopt a healthy cat. Can anyone help with decisions on what should stay and what shouldn't? For example, scratching posts, cat carriers. I know there are many different opinions on how long the virus lasts, how well disinfectant work, etc. I would greatly appreciate any help! Thanks! Heidi --Original Message-- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ReplyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] spaying and neutering Sent: Jun 12, 2009 9:18 PM was just on one of my bead websites and someone had asked what colors of Swarovski crystals to use to represent the different cancers (awareness ribbons). i checked it out from curosity and found that the orange ribbon 2 or 3 cancers plus CAT SPAYING AND NEUTERING. we have a ribbon to put on our cars for our furbabies. dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Sent via BlackBerry by ATT ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
re: eating litter. why do cats do that? what were the pills tey gave Lucy? Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Me, too about the cat litter. That could explain the vomiting. If he is vomiting and not having stools, it can mean the kitty is blocked and needs to be seen asap. They had my Lucy swallow some pills and then xrayed her stomach each couple hours to make sure they moved into the intestines. They did. I have never heard of using tums with cats. I know that I got kidney stones from eating tums and taking a calcium pill at bed time (without food). Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] hemobart v bartonella
why do they keep renaming things? they do that with flowers and some of my plant tags are so full of new names that i have to amke new ones. MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: thanks, belinda, for these links--maybe should be on the main pages? (do any of these refer to the fact that Feline Infectious Anemia, aka hemobart, has now been renamed? i don't remember the new name, but it was changed in the past 4 months, i think--i think i sent the link from the winn feline foundation blog about it; should be findable at www.winnfelineheath.org. ) MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
ok, it is getting late and my brain is fuzzy - what is A/D? IS TOFU GOOD FOR CATS? Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com wrote: Just a quick question for future referrence, since all of my babies are eating fine at the moment. I'm considering just keeping some of the A/D on hand since my cats don't always get sick when the vet's open. How long is it generally good for? In addition to Tofu being positive, I've been cautioned to really keep a close eye on our 20-lbs- er. (He is fat, but he and his littermates all have huge frames as well, so 20lbs, while not being good, isn't quite as bad as it seems. He is losing weight slowly since I've taken most of the treats away from Mom!) -Emily Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV persian is NEGATIVE...
maybe you really did not need another, you would have taken her anyway. that isjust the way we are wired. MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: once again folks, i really need you to hold on to what we know about FeLV and testing. a couple of months ago, there was a situation involving a number of persians who came into rescue. one of the girls tested positive for FeLV, and they went and tested her with the IFA right after she had the positive ELISSA. i suggested that they might not have wanted to do that, but kitty was at a vet's for boarding, so they did it anyway we've been working on getting her transported to me, where she'd either stay for another retest, or just plain stay. (hey, she's a calico, and a persian. that outweighs a positive test, doesn't it?) just heard back today: she's NEGATIVE. they retested her -- after an appropriate time period -- and surprise! whatever she'd been exposed to has worked its way out of her system. both the ELISSA for FeLV and the IFA test for ANTIGENS, not antibodies--so an IFA done at the same time as the ELISSA can easily be responding to the same initial exposure. yes, she DID have a positive IFA the first time, but they hadn't given her the chance to conquer the virus. phew--i REALLY didn't need another cat right now! MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
sounds like you have my vet. Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Belinda, Thanks for writing. I totally understand how you feel and just wanted to respond. My vet has worked with my leuk positives for several years now and is amazing. I've spent years working at different veterinary offices and I do know how lousy some of them are. I also know how cold and heartless some of them can be when it comes to caring for our babies. Lucky for me, that is not my vet. She takes amazing care of our kitties and I have all the confidence in the world in her. They don't push me to do things just to make money but they also will stop at nothing to help my kitties when they need to. I have spent so many thousands of dollars trying to help these guys. We've done chemo, we've done ultrasounds, steroids, antibiotics, fluids, etc., the list goes on and on. I have always tried to save my babies in the past, sparing no expense and doing everything possible. The problem is, in my experience, I always lose them to the leukemia eventually. Then sometimes I feel bad that I put them through those last couple weeks or days and wonder if they suffered. It's a personal decision and one everybody must make but Maverick was miserable and for us we just knew when we found him sleeping in the bathtub and not wanting to be bothered anymore. I am listening to everything you have said and I will ask my vet about these things because more knowledge is always a wonderful thing. She always goes and does research on anything unusual we come across and I always do the same. She spends hours with my cats and hours on the phone with me. With this cat, things came on very quickly. I'm still left with unanswered questions because I wasn't expecting this and I didn't see it coming. However, I do know there weren't any signs of liver failure two days ago when we saw the bloodwork, both chem panel and CBC. As far as food goes, she told me he needed to eat. She gave me tons of ideas for trying to get him to eat and I asked about force feeding. He couldn't keep anything I gave him down. He just kept throwing it up. My only other choice would have been to hospitalize him and try bringing him back but he's just not that type of cat. Way too much attitude, spirit, and personality to handle that. Hard to explain but totally not an option for this guy. I'll always wonder if I did everything I could for him but I have to trust that I did. These cats mean the world to me and this one was actually rescued by my vet. He started coming around her barn and she brought him in to neuter him. He tested positive and she called me. We've all been very attached to him ever since so she had as much interest in saving him as I did :( Thanks again for all the info and I will make it a point to read and learn even more about this disease. I owe it to Maverick and I just hope I didn't let him down or fail him in any way. Amy Amy, I don't think your vet is very good, yellow is a sure sign of liver failure and it doesn't happen overnight. Blood tests should have shown there was a problem and if your vet didn't mention it I'd run to find another vet. If Maverick wasn't eating well he probably developed hepatic lipidosis, or fatty liver disease, this can happen after only a day or two of an cat not eating enough. Even if a cat is eating but very little this can happen, this is curable by syringe feeding or a feeding tube, in other words food is the cure, no cat should die from this. Too many vets don't pay attention when we tell them our cats aren't eating very much or at all, this should be a huge red flag to any vet to investigate further but so few do. I am writing this email because too few people understand just how deadly it is for a cat to go without food, it can kill them quickly. That on top of the anemia was just too much for Maverick's compromised body to deal with. Any vet who doesn't make a point of letting a client know they need to get food into a cat that isn't eating enough isn't worth anything in my book. Please, please people, if your cat is not eating, syringe feed, spoon feed, put food on your finger and put it in their mouths, get a feeding tube put in ... fatty liver disease is almost always curable even when a cat looks like it is on deaths door, food, enough food will almost always bring the cat back Many people think when a cat is sick and stops eating it is letting you know it is ready to die, this is not always the case, think about it, when you are feeling very sick do you feel like eating, I know I don't. And with a cat, they feel sick, they don't eat, they don't eat, they get weaker and feel sicker, they feel sicker, of course they aren't going to eat. This cycle is going to obviously kill the cat if there is no
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
A/D is a specially prepared canned cat food that is high nutrition and very palatable. As far as tofu is concerned, I have cats who like soy products but it is not nutritionallly complete for cats so I would not let a cat try to live oin it. But I'll give most cats whatever appeals to them as a treat,. - Original Message From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:08:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D ok, it is getting late and my brain is fuzzy - what is A/D? IS TOFU GOOD FOR CATS? Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com wrote: Just a quick question for future referrence, since all of my babies are eating fine at the moment. I'm considering just keeping some of the A/D on hand since my cats don't always get sick when the vet's open. How long is it generally good for? In addition to Tofu being positive, I've been cautioned to really keep a close eye on our 20-lbs- er. (He is fat, but he and his littermates all have huge frames as well, so 20lbs, while not being good, isn't quite as bad as it seems. He is losing weight slowly since I've taken most of the treats away from Mom!) -Emily Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
Soy products (eg tofu) have a greater likelihood (than some other ingredients) of causing an allergic reaction. AD should have an expiration date on the can. I keep both AD and Low residue on hand (Low residue works to get Frankie back on track when he has fudgy stools). L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D A/D is a specially prepared canned cat food that is high nutrition and very palatable. As far as tofu is concerned, I have cats who like soy products but it is not nutritionallly complete for cats so I would not let a cat try to live oin it. But I'll give most cats whatever appeals to them as a treat,. - Original Message From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:08:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D ok, it is getting late and my brain is fuzzy - what is A/D? IS TOFU GOOD FOR CATS? Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com wrote: Just a quick question for future referrence, since all of my babies are eating fine at the moment. I'm considering just keeping some of the A/D on hand since my cats don't always get sick when the vet's open. How long is it generally good for? In addition to Tofu being positive, I've been cautioned to really keep a close eye on our 20-lbs- er. (He is fat, but he and his littermates all have huge frames as well, so 20lbs, while not being good, isn't quite as bad as it seems. He is losing weight slowly since I've taken most of the treats away from Mom!) -Emily Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
