Re: [Felvtalk] Another question(s) about Zander's protocol
g to go up from basically a zero level). He was eating and looking better, so I grit my teeth and proceeded with the Winstrol. I suspect that many vets might have abandoned ship at that point, and pulled the Winstrol before it had had an opportunity to really have the desired effect, but my vet was at least good enough to recognize that if this treatment didn't work, my cat was out of luck, and she allowed me to continue on with the Winstrol since Zander was doing better in so many other ways. This was also our experience when I used Winstrol in another very elderly cat who had a large and aggressive sarcoma in her sinus cavity, and again who was not expected to live very long. She lived another 3 years after the diagnosis (she was around 19 when she passed away), and I believe that the Winstrol helped immensely in getting her to keep eating, and to keep the swelling under control. With her, we definitely found that her liver enzymes spiked dramatically with the use of the Winstrol, but settled down immediately with a brief discontinuance of the drug. Zander died at age 7 from cardiomyopathy - nothing to do with his liver. I tortured myself with thoughts that maybe the Winstrol had caused the cardiomyopathy, and for all I know, it did. However, again, I did a fair amount of research and initially, I found references to a link between Winstrol and cardiac damage, but the link was pretty tenuous at best, and seemed to be suspected in athletes who had taken Winstrol at 100 X the recommended dosages for years and years. My guilt has never gone away because of course, you never know, but what I do know is that I would have lost him when he was only a year old. If the Winstrol managed to give me 6 more very good years with my cat, who played and was exceptionally affectionate and showed an extreme happiness with his life, then I would have to say I have no hesitation in doing it again. What I find truly bizarre is that given the death sentence that this disease represents to cats, it should be very simple indeed to (a) have vets try the Winstrol and see what their experience is with it (with the proviso that they shouldn’t pull a cat off the Winstrol just because the liver enzymes start to go up) and (b) why haven’t there been some decent clinical trials with this stuff? The cats are zero given probability of surviving this disease. Even if Winstrol only works sometimes, that is better than the odds we are given for these cats at the moment. Since I originally posted this two years ago, I have done more research, so I now have even more information supporting the use of Winstrol and Doxycycline. My original email didn’t mention that before I stumbled on the Winstrol, we had tried using Interferon and LTCI and Immunoregulin. All these treatments were tried for extended periods of time, while simultaneously testing blood work weekly to search for any evidence at all of improvement. None of these treatments budged Zander’s low red cell, haematocrit, and platelet counts. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Molly Mou Sent: February-28-17 10:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Another question(s) about Zander's protocol Thank you Amani, Bob, Sandy and Ardy for your input. I was wondering how did Zander's protocol originate? Was is trial and error or a known remedy? How did 'they' or you know what meds would work for FeLV cats and how was the combination decided? Just wanted some background to give my vet when I talk with her. Thanks again everyone. You are all so supportive! Yes, I do have a medical background. I'm a retired vet tech so I'm glad I have some knowledge of the meds to be used for Mia. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Another question(s) about Zander's protocol
Thank you Amani, Bob, Sandy and Ardy for your input. I was wondering how did Zander's protocol originate? Was is trial and error or a known remedy? How did 'they' or you know what meds would work for FeLV cats and how was the combination decided? Just wanted some background to give my vet when I talk with her. Thanks again everyone. You are all so supportive! Yes, I do have a medical background. I'm a retired vet tech so I'm glad I have some knowledge of the meds to be used for Mia. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax
Seeking advice and best places to shop. In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a large colony of cats. These are all fixed, all previously tested negative and mostly adult. They range from friendly to full feral. A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back. One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two months. I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet. So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax. Is it possible to buy snap tests and do them myself, using a blood drop from the ear? (similar to getting blood for blood glucose testing). Is special equipment required to run the test? Best source for bulk test kits? Where are the cheapest vaccines? I have seen 10 dose FELV only vials on sale for $69 at California Pet but if anyone knows a better source for single doses or multi dose vials, I'd appreciate it. Is there any data/studies to indicate that a single dose conveys protection for cats over 6 more? I recall reading on cat info.org that FVRCP single dose can convey longterm immunity for cats over 4 months. My understanding is that multiple doses are needed because of potential maternal derived immunity interference with vaccines, at least for FVRCP. Thanks in advance. Kg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax
In terms of testing, you can buy bulk tests, I think my group paid about $12/test when we did, but we had to buy $400 worth. I think you need to take blood from a vein. We never bought our own again. Since they live together, you can ask the vet to do batch tests. Our vet does that with kittens from the same litter. You can see if your vet will do adults living together. They mix the blood of up to 3 or 4 together and then do a test with that. If it's negative then they are all negative. If it's positive, you need to then test those cats individually to see whose blood the antibodies came from. There is some controversy over whether this is something vets should be doing. But I think in your case it might be a good option. For vaccinations, do you mean FVRCP (distemper, rhino, calici) which is what you wrote, or do you mean FeLV vax? Because the answer is different depending which you meant. Michelle -Original Message- From: KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, Jan 11, 2014 10:27 am Subject: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax Seeking advice and best places to shop. In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a large colony of cats. These are all fixed, all previously tested negative and mostly adult. They range from friendly to full feral. A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back. One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two months. I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet. So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax. Is it possible to buy snap tests and do them myself, using a blood drop from the ear? (similar to getting blood for blood glucose testing). Is special equipment required to run the test? Best source for bulk test kits? Where are the cheapest vaccines? I have seen 10 dose FELV only vials on sale for $69 at California Pet but if anyone knows a better source for single doses or multi dose vials, I'd appreciate it. Is there any data/studies to indicate that a single dose conveys protection for cats over 6 more? I recall reading on cat info.org that FVRCP single dose can convey longterm immunity for cats over 4 months. My understanding is that multiple doses are needed because of potential maternal derived immunity interference with vaccines, at least for FVRCP. Thanks in advance. Kg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax
Hi KG I'm not sure I understand, so bear with me. Is the newly positive cat from the colony? If so, what are your plans, depending an the results? How many cats are you talking about? I went thru the same dilemma last year, and it was not easy. Short version, I talked to my Vet, and did a LOT of research about vaccinating and testing. For the group of cats that were living with the positive cat, her opinion on vaccinating them was that ship has sailed. They'd been together for more than 2 years, so she felt any transmission would have already occurred. She did want to test them, but I declined. Couldn't see the benefit. Of course, when anyone gets sick, they will be tested, as I now handle the +'s differently. They remain separate from the other groups. I have added two cats to the group, both were vaccinated, twice, before introduction. I would vaccinate twice, 3 weeks apart. I have not found any source that indicates that a single vaccine in an adult is enough, but that may be a judgment call. The Snap takes three drops of blood per test, so you need to be able to draw blood. Ear nicks probably won't do, unfortunately. http://www.drugs.com/vet/snap-combo-felv-ag-fiv-antibody-test-kit.html The well tests say they can be done with saliva, which might be easier, but I have read they are not always as accurate that way. Assure http://www.amazon.com/Synbiotics-ASSURE-Leukemia-Virus-Antigen/dp/B00061MOCU Both are available at Revival; http://www.revivalanimal.com/?ic_location=headeric_name=homelogo but may be cheaper elsewhere. Has the newly positive cat been re-tested? I'd wait a month and test again, at least. False positives can occur. I did vaccinate everyone who might come into casual contact, because that was much cheaper than re-testing AND vaccinating. I wish you the best. I thought I had a houseful of confirmed negative cats, and then this. Heartbreaking. Margo -Original Message- From: KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com Sent: Jan 11, 2014 10:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax Seeking advice and best places to shop. In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a large colony of cats. These are all fixed, all previously tested negative and mostly adult. They range from friendly to full feral. A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back. One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two months. I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet. So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax. Is it possible to buy snap tests and do them myself, using a blood drop from the ear? (similar to getting blood for blood glucose testing). Is special equipment required to run the test? Best source for bulk test kits? Where are the cheapest vaccines? I have seen 10 dose FELV only vials on sale for $69 at California Pet but if anyone knows a better source for single doses or multi dose vials, I'd appreciate it. Is there any data/studies to indicate that a single dose conveys protection for cats over 6 more? I recall reading on cat info.org that FVRCP single dose can convey longterm immunity for cats over 4 months. My understanding is that multiple doses are needed because of potential maternal derived immunity interference with vaccines, at least for FVRCP. Thanks in advance. Kg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question
Time for a vet check. Without any more info than this I would lean toward a possible UTI or a kiney problem as my first guesses. Gary From: cer...@new.rr.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] a question My FeLeuk girl has been pretty asymptomatic for quite a while. Now she is starting to wet the bed. Has that happened to any of your guys, and if so, what does it mean? Thanks-Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question
With FelV cats you don't wait around. Get her to the vet! Lorrie On 09-30, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: My FeLeuk girl has been pretty asymptomatic for quite a while. Now she is starting to wet the bed. Has that happened to any of your guys, and if so, what does it mean? Thanks-Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] a question
My FeLeuk girl has been pretty asymptomatic for quite a while. Now she is starting to wet the bed. Has that happened to any of your guys, and if so, what does it mean? Thanks-Chris C.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fw: Question about FeLV/FIV testing
From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the bone marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down and their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV shelter, a detached building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly. From: trustinhi...@charter.net trustinhi...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing Shelley.. I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13). All my cats mingle together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 (she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough antibodies built up by then, they never will! Maybe I am lucky, or just stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
JUST BE SURE THAT THE BBY FOOD HAS NO ONION OR GARLIC IN IT. Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: You might also try adding some baby food to the food to feed her. Some cats go crazy for baby food. Sent from my iPhone. On May 1, 2013, at 14:50, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have that worry alleviated so soon. I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does look delicious! Thanks again-Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
Yes, I will. She sees my own vet next Monday for a consult. Thanks-Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two It's always a good idea to discuss any symptoms with Raja's vet. They may want to refer you to a veterinary ophthalmologist or other specialist just to confirm that nothing else is going on. On May 1, 2013, at 1:50 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have that worry alleviated so soon. I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does look delicious! Thanks again-Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] a question....or two
I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have that worry alleviated so soon. I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does look delicious! Thanks again-Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
You might also try adding some baby food to the food to feed her. Some cats go crazy for baby food. Sent from my iPhone. On May 1, 2013, at 14:50, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have that worry alleviated so soon. I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does look delicious! Thanks again-Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
Baby food works for a day or two. Just be sure to avoid those that have garlic or onion, as those ingredients are not good for cats. On May 1, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: You might also try adding some baby food to the food to feed her. Some cats go crazy for baby food. Sent from my iPhone. On May 1, 2013, at 14:50, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have that worry alleviated so soon. I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does look delicious! Thanks again-Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's always a good idea to discuss any symptoms with Raja's vet. They may want to refer you to a veterinary ophthalmologist or other specialist just to confirm that nothing else is going on. On May 1, 2013, at 1:50 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have that worry alleviated so soon. I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does look delicious! Thanks again-Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have a rescued male like that. I've had him at least 5 years now, and our vet never indicated it was a problem. He eats well and is in excellent health otherwise. Lorrie On 05-01, Lance wrote: My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lance Glad to hear your little Ember is doing okay! I know she was having a hard time last week. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two It's always a good idea to discuss any symptoms with Raja's vet. They may want to refer you to a veterinary ophthalmologist or other specialist just to confirm that nothing else is going on. On May 1, 2013, at 1:50 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It's wonderful to have that worry alleviated so soon. I will try those foods, and the web site. I've seen Tiki Cat, and it does look delicious! Thanks again-Chris C. From: Lance mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I've tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question (Maureen)
On 11-17, Maureen Olvey wrote: I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating too but I think I have to in this case. I have to vaccinate for FelV too, and I simply hate to do it. However, I recently discovered that two of the cats in the shelter/sanctuary building I own are FelV pos. They have mixed with all the other cats there for years and none have had FelV vaccinations. Currently they are all healthy. These are not my 15 cats at home. They are all FelV neg and are never with my sanctuary cats. Anyway, I'd also like to know which of the FelV vaccinations are the best and least likely to cause VAS. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
Maureen- Maybe she will be one of the lucky ones who fights it off. Whether she does or not, I will always be ready to take her and love her for as long as she has. I am willing to bet she and Koko Kitty (the blind terror) would totally tear the house apart playing with each other. Add in the 75# Samoyed mix, Polar Bear and the puppy, Charlie and I will pitch a tent to live in and give them the house! If you keep her that is great but be sure I would LOVE to give her a home with my fur babies if you aren't able to. Let me know how she does no matter what your decision! Kat On 11/19/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks Kat. I can keep her but I'd rather not because my house is full of foster failures as it is! I love them all but I wish I could have found homes for more of them. If for some reason I can't find her a home then she can always stay with me. Don't worry, I won't be putting her down. I'll definitely think about your offer though. I might need a nice drive to KY or OH to get away from my mad house for a few days ;-) Really though, I will think about it. I have a couple of friends with family up that way so I might find out when they're heading up. I'll let you know. You would totally love her. She is so sweet. She really loves attention and follows me around. Kind of a laid back little girl. She likes to play of course like all kittens but she's also happy just hanging out. I'm hoping her IFA will be negative which would mean she still has a chance of extinguishing the virus. I wouldn't expect a kitten to be able to fight off the virus but you just never know. I'm going to wait a couple weeks before doing that test but will definitely think about your offer and see if there's a way to work out the transporting. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:28:59 -0500 From: katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question Maureen I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats. Of the cats, 1 is about 11 - 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive years ago. One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the house. Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now, I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others. That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her. I can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you can't find her a home? She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most definitely would not lack for play opportunities. Has she been spayed? If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out with me. I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still. Would love to have another. Thanks kat On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine, a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that is A OK! Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating too but I think I have to in this case. Unless there's someone like Beth that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her out ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten. Appears healthy as a horse. I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the lab) so I know she's positive. I hope she can extinguish the virus but since she's a kitten I'm a little worried. Im going to follow up with an IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that will tell me if she has
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
Maureen I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats. Of the cats, 1 is about 11 - 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive years ago. One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the house. Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now, I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others. That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her. I can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you can't find her a home? She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most definitely would not lack for play opportunities. Has she been spayed? If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out with me. I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still. Would love to have another. Thanks kat On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine, a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that is A OK! Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating too but I think I have to in this case. Unless there's someone like Beth that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her out ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten. Appears healthy as a horse. I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the lab) so I know she's positive. I hope she can extinguish the virus but since she's a kitten I'm a little worried. Im going to follow up with an IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus. Back to the point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know. Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you from bringing in a positive kitty. I tested all my cats and kittens and they always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two years old. No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV kitty. The vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you test a kitten and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't had time to show on the snap test. Not a comforting thought I know. Still, I wouldn't vaccinate my cats if I hadn't brought in this FeLV kitten in because like most everyone I hate over-vaccinating. I just knew her first snap test was a false positive so I wanted to give her a shot. But now that she's been here two weeks and is even more healthy I just can't put her down. I'm going to try to adopt her out even though I doubt I'll be successful. But in the meantime she needs to get out of that one room and play. Another interesting fact - a couple years ago I read there was a study done on the rabies vaccine and they found that kittens vaccinated at 12 or 16 weeks old still had immunity 4 years later. And that was just the normal one year rabies vaccine. Crazy huh? I think the American Association of Veterinarians something or another sets the vaccination protocols but they're all vets so of course they're going to recommend vaccinating as much as possible. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:38:18 -0800 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv. Several people I know had the miserable experience of their cat contracting leukemia after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the vaccine was the source of the infection but these cats were not ever outside the house. They were not exposed
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
Thanks Kat. I can keep her but I'd rather not because my house is full of foster failures as it is! I love them all but I wish I could have found homes for more of them. If for some reason I can't find her a home then she can always stay with me. Don't worry, I won't be putting her down. I'll definitely think about your offer though. I might need a nice drive to KY or OH to get away from my mad house for a few days ;-) Really though, I will think about it. I have a couple of friends with family up that way so I might find out when they're heading up. I'll let you know. You would totally love her. She is so sweet. She really loves attention and follows me around. Kind of a laid back little girl. She likes to play of course like all kittens but she's also happy just hanging out. I'm hoping her IFA will be negative which would mean she still has a chance of extinguishing the virus. I wouldn't expect a kitten to be able to fight off the virus but you just never know. I'm going to wait a couple weeks before doing that test but will definitely think about your offer and see if there's a way to work out the transporting. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:28:59 -0500 From: katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question Maureen I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats. Of the cats, 1 is about 11 - 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive years ago. One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the house. Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now, I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others. That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her. I can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you can't find her a home? She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most definitely would not lack for play opportunities. Has she been spayed? If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out with me. I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still. Would love to have another. Thanks kat On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine, a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that is A OK! Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating too but I think I have to in this case. Unless there's someone like Beth that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her out ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten. Appears healthy as a horse. I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the lab) so I know she's positive. I hope she can extinguish the virus but since she's a kitten I'm a little worried. Im going to follow up with an IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus. Back to the point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know. Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you from bringing in a positive kitty. I tested all my cats and kittens and they always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two years old. No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV kitty. The vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you test a kitten and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't had time to show on the snap test. Not a comforting thought I know. Still, I wouldn't
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
Why do you feel that your cats need to be vaccinated at all? Are they at risk of exposure? Vaccinate your cats ONLY according to their lifestyles! Remember, even the protocol for regular FVRCP is now every three years... Fort Dodge doesn't have a stellar reputation.that's all I know. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question I've got to have a couple of my cats vaccinated against FeLV. I've heard you guys talk about the different makers of the vaccinations but I can't remember what the best ones were. Seems like I remember hearing about Fort Dodge and some others but if anyone has had problems with a certain type of vaccination by a certain maker please let me know. I don't think I'm going to do the Vet Jet so I just wanted to know about the regular FeLV vaccinations. Thanks. Maureen I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv. Several people I know had the miserable experience of their cat contracting leukemia after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the vaccine was the source of the infection but these cats were not ever outside the house. They were not exposed to any other cats. They may have had the disorder lurking in their bone marrow and the vaccine sensitized them to getting the illness or they may have gotten it from the vaccine. In addition, there's the danger of vaccine-site sarcoma. I have had cats living with me for most of my life. Most of them survive well into what is considered old age for cats - 16 to 20 years. Simply testing cats before adding them to my community assures that they will not be exposed to FeLv. I don't vaccinate, except when I send cats to adoption. FVRCP is required for that. Of course, the rabies vaccine is required by law in most States but other than that, I feel that veterinarians push vaccines for cats for all the wrong reasons. Lee From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvt...@felineleukemia.orgi Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question Why do you feel that your cats need to be vaccinated at all? Are they at risk of exposure? Vaccinate your cats ONLY according to their lifestyles! Remember, even the protocol for regular FVRCP is now every three years….. Fort Dodge doesn’t have a stellar reputation…that’s all I know. From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question I've got to have a couple of my cats vaccinated against FeLV. I've heard you guys talk about the different makers of the vaccinations but I can't remember what the best ones were. Seems like I remember hearing about Fort Dodge and some others but if anyone has had problems with a certain type of vaccination by a certain maker please let me know. I don't think I'm going to do the Vet Jet so I just wanted to know about the regular FeLV vaccinations. Thanks. Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
It really depends on your cat's life style. It is an indoor/outdoor kitty. If so then definitely get the FeLV vaccine. Despite Lee's experience I would not hesitate to use the FeLV vaccine if the kitty is indoor/outdoor, if you foster kitties for a rescue, if you plan on bringing a FeLV kitty into your home. Over the years I have rescued 10 FeLV kittens. All became indoor only kitties and were mixed with my negative cats. All my negative cats were adults and I kept them current on their FeLV vaccine. Like others I do not believe in unnecessary vaccines. Sharyl From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv. Several people I know had the miserable experience of their cat contracting leukemia after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the vaccine was the source of the infection but these cats were not ever outside the house. They were not exposed to any other cats. They may have had the disorder lurking in their bone marrow and the vaccine sensitized them to getting the illness or they may have gotten it from the vaccine. In addition, there's the danger of vaccine-site sarcoma. I have had cats living with me for most of my life. Most of them survive well into what is considered old age for cats - 16 to 20 years. Simply testing cats before adding them to my community assures that they will not be exposed to FeLv. I don't vaccinate, except when I send cats to adoption. FVRCP is required for that. Of course, the rabies vaccine is required by law in most States but other than that, I feel that veterinarians push vaccines for cats for all the wrong reasons. Lee ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating too but I think I have to in this case. Unless there's someone like Beth that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her out ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten. Appears healthy as a horse. I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the lab) so I know she's positive. I hope she can extinguish the virus but since she's a kitten I'm a little worried. Im going to follow up with an IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus. Back to the point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know. Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you from bringing in a positive kitty. I tested all my cats and kittens and they always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two years old. No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV kitty. The vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you test a kitten and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't had time to show on the snap test. Not a comforting thought I know. Still, I wouldn't vaccinate my cats if I hadn't brought in this FeLV kitten in because like most everyone I hate over-vaccinating. I just knew her first snap test was a false positive so I wanted to give her a shot. But now that she's been here two weeks and is even more healthy I just can't put her down. I'm going to try to adopt her out even though I doubt I'll be successful. But in the meantime she needs to get out of that one room and play. Another interesting fact - a couple years ago I read there was a study done on the rabies vaccine and they found that kittens vaccinated at 12 or 16 weeks old still had immunity 4 years later. And that was just the normal one year rabies vaccine. Crazy huh? I think the American Association of Veterinarians something or another sets the vaccination protocols but they're all vets so of course they're going to recommend vaccinating as much as possible. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:38:18 -0800 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv. Several people I know had the miserable experience of their cat contracting leukemia after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the vaccine was the source of the infection but these cats were not ever outside the house. They were not exposed to any other cats. They may have had the disorder lurking in their bone marrow and the vaccine sensitized them to getting the illness or they may have gotten it from the vaccine. In addition, there's the danger of vaccine-site sarcoma. I have had cats living with me for most of my life. Most of them survive well into what is considered old age for cats - 16 to 20 years. Simply testing cats before adding them to my community assures that they will not be exposed to FeLv. I don't vaccinate, except when I send cats to adoption. FVRCP is required for that. Of course, the rabies vaccine is required by law in most States but other than that, I feel that veterinarians push vaccines for cats for all the wrong reasons. Lee From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvt...@felineleukemia.orgi Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question Why do you feel that your cats need to be vaccinated at all? Are they at risk of exposure? Vaccinate your cats ONLY according to their lifestyles! Remember, even the protocol for regular FVRCP is now every three years….. Fort Dodge doesn’t have a stellar reputation…that’s all I know. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question I've got to have a couple of my cats vaccinated against FeLV. I've heard you guys talk about the different makers of the vaccinations but I can't remember what the best ones were. Seems like I remember hearing about Fort Dodge and some others but if anyone has had problems with a certain type of vaccination by a certain maker please let me know. I don't think I'm going to do
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Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine, a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that is A OK! Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating too but I think I have to in this case. Unless there's someone like Beth that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her out ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten. Appears healthy as a horse. I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the lab) so I know she's positive. I hope she can extinguish the virus but since she's a kitten I'm a little worried. Im going to follow up with an IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus. Back to the point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know. Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you from bringing in a positive kitty. I tested all my cats and kittens and they always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two years old. No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV kitty. The vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you test a kitten and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't had time to show on the snap test. Not a comforting thought I know. Still, I wouldn't vaccinate my cats if I hadn't brought in this FeLV kitten in because like most everyone I hate over-vaccinating. I just knew her first snap test was a false positive so I wanted to give her a shot. But now that she's been here two weeks and is even more healthy I just can't put her down. I'm going to try to adopt her out even though I doubt I'll be successful. But in the meantime she needs to get out of that one room and play. Another interesting fact - a couple years ago I read there was a study done on the rabies vaccine and they found that kittens vaccinated at 12 or 16 weeks old still had immunity 4 years later. And that was just the normal one year rabies vaccine. Crazy huh? I think the American Association of Veterinarians something or another sets the vaccination protocols but they're all vets so of course they're going to recommend vaccinating as much as possible. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:38:18 -0800 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv. Several people I know had the miserable experience of their cat contracting leukemia after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the vaccine was the source of the infection but these cats were not ever outside the house. They were not exposed to any other cats. They may have had the disorder lurking in their bone marrow and the vaccine sensitized them to getting the illness or they may have gotten it from the vaccine. In addition, there's the danger of vaccine-site sarcoma. I have had cats living with me for most of my life. Most of them survive well into what is considered old age for cats - 16 to 20 years. Simply testing cats before adding them to my community assures that they will not be exposed to FeLv. I don't vaccinate, except when I send cats to adoption. FVRCP is required for that. Of course, the rabies vaccine is required by law in most States but other than that, I feel that veterinarians push vaccines for cats for all the wrong reasons. Lee From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvt...@felineleukemia.orgi Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question Why do you feel that your cats need to be vaccinated at all? Are they at risk of exposure? Vaccinate your cats ONLY according to their lifestyles! Remember, even the protocol
[Felvtalk] Vaccination question
I've got to have a couple of my cats vaccinated against FeLV. I've heard you guys talk about the different makers of the vaccinations but I can't remember what the best ones were. Seems like I remember hearing about Fort Dodge and some others but if anyone has had problems with a certain type of vaccination by a certain maker please let me know. I don't think I'm going to do the Vet Jet so I just wanted to know about the regular FeLV vaccinations. Thanks. Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Shedding Question- Tanya
Tanya, Since you are a licensed vet tech, what is your opinion of cats/kittens testing a FAINT positive on an ELISA test? Do you think they are shedding the virus at this point? If anyone else has an opinion, it is welcomed as well. Thanks, Lynda - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question Wow, that is really scary, I think I do remember you posting about this a while ago. Did the manufacturer ever give any info after the vaccines were sent back? Any explanation as to why the tests would be affected when the veterinary world is told they won't? Tanya --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 7:33 PM it happened at our shelter. we vaccinated s wjole bunch of cats they got sick. we retested them they all came up positive. repeate the tests a few days later all the tests were back to negative. I posted about it when it happened. we returned the rest of the vaccines to the mfg. TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com wrote: I am a licensed vet tech (though for the last year a stay at home Mom) and I have never heard of a live FeLV vaccine. Nor have I ever heard of it making a cat show positive on a test. FIV and FIP are the only ones I have ever heard of causing a false positive on a test. I will check with a few of my vet friends and see if they can give any more info. Tanya --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 4:45 PM Is this live vaccine new? I've never heard that a vaccination for FeLV will make a positive result, but I'm getting a killed virus vaccination for my cats. I'll let you know what my vet says. Never hurts to get a second opinion :) Thanks! - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question From what I've read they WILL test positive for FeLV after vaccination with a live vaccine. This happened at our shelter. I don't know how many days that lasts, but she would not have a false positive at this point. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question Thanks everyone! My vet told me that Peaches would test positive because she's had the FeLV vaccination. I think I will call the vet that Peaches former owners took her to ask them to test Peaches. Thanks for the advice, I'll let you know what they say. On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the cat instead of testing them. Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals. Apparently it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats from getting exposed to FeLV. I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading. Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in case =^_^= On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I think I would definitely get Peaches tested. If all your cats are indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV. Only if there's a chance they could get it. But if you're not letting them out and you're not fostering other cats then there's no risk of exposure to the virus so no real need for a vaccination. If all your other cats have been tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination either. So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really don't need to worry about Nibbles. It's totally up to you though. Just my thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up to speed. And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over again if you decide to get him current like Lynda said. Thanks for giving Peaches a home. And kick that other lady in the butt for kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby. Maureen sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org The family
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
Another way to identfy urine tract problem is to observe the size of clumps in the ltter box. If you find very small ones, isolate the cats 1 by 1 and check the clumps in the box. Then you gather a sample and go to the vet. That is how i found out about Bobby and Homey Caspercat casper...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure if this is possible but they probably got a bad batch of Frontline - I've used it in the Northeast with zero proplems (and like it because it addresses fleas ticks). My vet also started using a product called v-somthing but it doesn't help with ticks. If you know for sure you only have a flea problem (no ticks) then advantage is a good product (and will get rid of ear mites and worms as well). Just spoke to a lady yesterday who does rescue. She orders advantage from Canada via the mail as it is much cheaper that way. About the stones - does the cat appear to be straining when peeing or appear constipated? That would be indicative of stones. Also if the cat is prone to stones he may have developed an aversion to using the litter box and choose other objects to pee on instead or he may have developed an aversion to using the litter box for another reason. So changing the type of litter you use may help. Having said all that we had a cat that prone to UTIs and they way she would let us know she had one is by peeing on our bed (hooray for waterproof matress covers). Is there anyway you can call and ask your vet at home what they use to diagnose kidney stones? In googling feline kidney stones it appears that x-trays or ultrasounds are used for diagnosis. Found x-rays mentioned on a couple of sites (but note that the information below is from a site I just found by googling so not sure how good it is http://www.cat-health-guide.org/felinekidneystones.html). My guess is that if the vet finds no stones via x-ray the next step they will suggest an ultrasound (which of course is even more expensive). If cat kidney stones are suspected, your vet will take x-rays. The stones will usually show up white on the x-ray. Some kinds of stones don’t show up on x-rays and can only be seen by ultrasound. Your vet will look for stones elsewhere in the urinary tract as well. Your vet will also test your cat’s urine to see if she has a bladder infection. Bladder infections are very common in pets with kidney stones. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
In-house tests results are limited, and I would do the more sophisticated one that is sent to the lab. However, before getting that urinalysis back with results, I would not sign up for an X-ray before it is determined that one is absolutely required! Yes, this vet does seem to do it for the money! My vet always does one step at a time, and based on the last step, if needed, proceeds to the next. Many vets like to do ALL of them at one time! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Not sure if this is possible but they probably got a bad batch of Frontline - I've used it in the Northeast with zero proplems (and like it because it addresses fleas ticks). My vet also started using a product called v-somthing but it doesn't help with ticks. If you know for sure you only have a flea problem (no ticks) then advantage is a good product (and will get rid of ear mites and worms as well). Just spoke to a lady yesterday who does rescue. She orders advantage from Canada via the mail as it is much cheaper that way. About the stones - does the cat appear to be straining when peeing or appear constipated? That would be indicative of stones. Also if the cat is prone to stones he may have developed an aversion to using the litter box and choose other objects to pee on instead or he may have developed an aversion to using the litter box for another reason. So changing the type of litter you use may help. Having said all that we had a cat that prone to UTIs and they way she would let us know she had one is by peeing on our bed (hooray for waterproof matress covers). Is there anyway you can call and ask your vet at home what they use to diagnose kidney stones? In googling feline kidney stones it appears that x-trays or ultrasounds are used for diagnosis. Found x-rays mentioned on a couple of sites (but note that the information below is from a site I just found by googling so not sure how good it is http://www.cat-health-guide.org/felinekidneystones.html). My guess is that if the vet finds no stones via x-ray the next step they will suggest an ultrasound (which of course is even more expensive). If cat kidney stones are suspected, your vet will take x-rays. The stones will usually show up white on the x-ray. Some kinds of stones don’t show up on x-rays and can only be seen by ultrasound. Your vet will look for stones elsewhere in the urinary tract as well. Your vet will also test your cat’s urine to see if she has a bladder infection. Bladder infections are very common in pets with kidney stones. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT
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Hi Lynda, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. We have 4 cats in his area and 4 litterboxes, so I can certainly try adding one more. There are two in my room (where he spends most of his time); one in the other two rooms. It's a small house, so the only rooms that don't have boxes are the kitchen and living room. I clean them at least once a day, usually 2-3 times (whenever I notice one is used). The cats each have a box they prefer, so one box doesn't usually get particularly dirty. I've used a couple different litters (always clumping), but I've been using this particular kind for at least a month and he only had issues for 2 days. Last night he was fine again, but as I write this, he's back to pacing in front of the door. His pace is like what you see zoo animals do in a cage - a repetitive path, back and forth, like he's oblivious to everything around him. I've tried interrupting him with play, but he ignores me. He enjoys catnip, so I sometimes give him that as a diversion, but I have to be careful because it makes him very aggressive toward the other cats. I'm really hoping the outdoor enclosure helps him. I hate to see him so frustrated. Thanks again for your ideas. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what
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Thanks for sharing. I think I will go ahead with the lab test, but hold off on the x-ray until we get the results. Would the lab results indicate if he has stones (and needs an x-ray)? Based on his past, I'm almost positive it's entirely behavioral, but I don't want to risk him suffering either. Thanks, Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question In-house tests results are limited, and I would do the more sophisticated one that is sent to the lab. However, before getting that urinalysis back with results, I would not sign up for an X-ray before it is determined that one is absolutely required! Yes, this vet does seem to do it for the money! My vet always does one step at a time, and based on the last step, if needed, proceeds to the next. Many vets like to do ALL of them at one time! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lynda, I hope that the clumping litter you are using does NOT contain sodium bentonite! Often they don't list it, but they tell you NOT to flush down the toilet, you can be assured that it contains it! I have lots of info on it, but this site does not allow more than a certain amount to be sent. Here's just one source: http://www.ny-petrescue.org/clumping.php Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question Hi Lynda, I've used a couple different litters (always clumping), ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Good advice, I will try it as well. By the way, I use Feline Pine (it's similar to saw dust, without the dust, lol!). But my cat, Sugar, only urinated once outside the box onto our bed. Glad that it was only once, and the problem was solved quick. Have a great weekend everyone! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he
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We have to use a good basic litter because of cost - when you have to provide litter for over 70 cats, we prefer spending the money on good food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question Good advice, I will try it as well. By the way, I use Feline Pine (it's similar to saw dust, without the dust, lol!). But my cat, Sugar, only urinated once outside the box onto our bed. Glad that it was only once, and the problem was solved quick. Have a great weekend everyone! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area
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My Boby was urinating out of the box, all over the house. He had a problem with salcite and sturivite stones. Then Casey had stones. She got over them, but Bobby did not. Being a male, the urether was more narrow and he did not make it tru the treatment time. Homey is doing gret now. I would check hm out with the vet and take a fresh urine sample for testing. I found a special litter box that uses safflower seed instead of litter. It allows the urine to go thru to a collection box that has a pour spout so you can pur it into a pill bottle and take it to the vet. It was pricey ($60.00) but really comes in handy when you suspect a urinary tract infection or stones. Also great for diabetic cats - invented by a lady with a diabetic cat. Only thing is they have to be seperated from the others so there is no chance of others using the box. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said
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What a great invention of a litter box! I might have purchased it when I had my diabetic cat. She passed away 2 yrs ago. She made it easy for me to catch her urine mid-stream. She would squat close to the litter but not sit on it, with her rear end towards me and I could catch it in a small, sterilized bottle cap. Then I could get her keytone level by dipping the strip into her urine. I had to prick her ear to get her blood to get her glucose. I did this for 9 yrs (she lived to be 17 1/2 yrs). I still miss her even though she was a lot of work. RIP, Pebbles! Sorry, I got carried away... L - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My Boby was urinating out of the box, all over the house. He had a problem with salcite and sturivite stones. Then Casey had stones. She got over them, but Bobby did not. Being a male, the urether was more narrow and he did not make it tru the treatment time. Homey is doing gret now. I would check hm out with the vet and take a fresh urine sample for testing. I found a special litter box that uses safflower seed instead of litter. It allows the urine to go thru to a collection box that has a pour spout so you can pur it into a pill bottle and take it to the vet. It was pricey ($60.00) but really comes in handy when you suspect a urinary tract infection or stones. Also great for diabetic cats - invented by a lady with a diabetic cat. Only thing is they have to be seperated from the others so there is no chance of others using the box. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I
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iT ISN' THE WORK INVOLVED IN CARING FOR THEM, IT IS WHAT YOU GET BACK FROM THEM IN RETURN THAT COUNTS! A friend of mine had to follow her little dog around the yard with a shallow dish to catch the urine for the vet. She said she hoped that the neighbors never saw her, or they would have thought she was crazy. Folks around here just do not think you need to go to all that trouble for cats and dogs, ESPECIALLY CATS. They think I am crazy because I take my pride to the vet for shots, etc. The only thing they are good for is out in the barn to catch mice. I have earned the name Crazy Cat Lady Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: What a great invention of a litter box! I might have purchased it when I had my diabetic cat. She passed away 2 yrs ago. She made it easy for me to catch her urine mid-stream. She would squat close to the litter but not sit on it, with her rear end towards me and I could catch it in a small, sterilized bottle cap. Then I could get her keytone level by dipping the strip into her urine. I had to prick her ear to get her blood to get her glucose. I did this for 9 yrs (she lived to be 17 1/2 yrs). I still miss her even though she was a lot of work. RIP, Pebbles! Sorry, I got carried away... L - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My Boby was urinating out of the box, all over the house. He had a problem with salcite and sturivite stones. Then Casey had stones. She got over them, but Bobby did not. Being a male, the urether was more narrow and he did not make it tru the treatment time. Homey is doing gret now. I would check hm out with the vet and take a fresh urine sample for testing. I found a special litter box that uses safflower seed instead of litter. It allows the urine to go thru to a collection box that has a pour spout so you can pur it into a pill bottle and take it to the vet. It was pricey ($60.00) but really comes in handy when you suspect a urinary tract infection or stones. Also great for diabetic cats - invented by a lady with a diabetic cat. Only thing is they have to be seperated from the others so there is no chance of others using the box. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed
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As someone who followed my little dog around with a dish to catch urine on a very busy street in front of my apt house, I can relate! I just put my head down wouldn't look at any passer by. LOL -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 10:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question iT ISN' THE WORK INVOLVED IN CARING FOR THEM, IT IS WHAT YOU GET BACK FROM THEM IN RETURN THAT COUNTS! A friend of mine had to follow her little dog around the yard with a shallow dish to catch the urine for the vet. She said she hoped that the neighbors never saw her, or they would have thought she was crazy. Folks around here just do not think you need to go to all that trouble for cats and dogs, ESPECIALLY CATS. They think I am crazy because I take my pride to the vet for shots, etc. The only thing they are good for is out in the barn to catch mice. I have earned the name Crazy Cat Lady Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: What a great invention of a litter box! I might have purchased it when I had my diabetic cat. She passed away 2 yrs ago. She made it easy for me to catch her urine mid-stream. She would squat close to the litter but not sit on it, with her rear end towards me and I could catch it in a small, sterilized bottle cap. Then I could get her keytone level by dipping the strip into her urine. I had to prick her ear to get her blood to get her glucose. I did this for 9 yrs (she lived to be 17 1/2 yrs). I still miss her even though she was a lot of work. RIP, Pebbles! Sorry, I got carried away... L - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My Boby was urinating out of the box, all over the house. He had a problem with salcite and sturivite stones. Then Casey had stones. She got over them, but Bobby did not. Being a male, the urether was more narrow and he did not make it tru the treatment time. Homey is doing gret now. I would check hm out with the vet and take a fresh urine sample for testing. I found a special litter box that uses safflower seed instead of litter. It allows the urine to go thru to a collection box that has a pour spout so you can pur it into a pill bottle and take it to the vet. It was pricey ($60.00) but really comes in handy when you suspect a urinary tract infection or stones. Also great for diabetic cats - invented by a lady with a diabetic cat. Only thing is they have to be seperated from the others so there is no chance of others using the box. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside
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Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We have to use a good basic litter because of cost - when you have to provide litter for over 70 cats, we prefer spending the money on good food! aCTUALLY, THE wROLD'S bEST mULTI CAT IS NOT ALL THAT EXPENSIVE CONSIDERING THAT YOU DO NOT HVE TO CHANGE IT THAT OFTEN. i SCOOP 2, SOMETIMES 3 TIMES A DAY SO THE LITTER STAYS CLEAN LONGER AND MY GUYS DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. AS LONG AS EACH ONE HAS HIS OR HER OWN BOX. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question Good advice, I will try it as well. By the way, I use Feline Pine (it's similar to saw dust, without the dust, lol!). But my cat, Sugar, only urinated once outside the box onto our bed. Glad that it was only once, and the problem was solved quick. Have a great weekend everyone! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question Forgot this part of the question before: Sometimes, cats don't like the type of litter, too! I have a friend who uses shredded newspaper for cats that don't like any kind of litter! BTW - OxiClean and X-O are GREAT to clean urine stain and odor!! When I scoop the litter, I remove solids, and also wet litter, by gently holding litter box up...then I sprinkle baking soda on the wet area, and then some more mixed into the litter - keeps the litter clean for a long time and doesn't stink. I do NOT use clumping litter; regular litter may not clump into a hard ball, but it can easily be removed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't
[Felvtalk] UTI Question
This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Interferon question
Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do it. Her mouth is inflamed so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in. The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of that is overnight frio packing) Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily? I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she responds to it. It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged. thanks for your help Gloria Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
You probably want to be giving 30 IU not 30 ml. Interferon is usually dosed down to 30 IU per ml. You would give 1 ml a day. $70 is a lot for a 30 day supply. Gary - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do it. Her mouth is inflamed so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in. The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of that is overnight frio packing) Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily? I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she responds to it. It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged. thanks for your help Gloria Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3378 (20080822) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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thanks, it is 30 IU do you know where to get a better price? Has it worked for you? Thanks Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 6:03 PM, gary wrote: You probably want to be giving 30 IU not 30 ml. Interferon is usually dosed down to 30 IU per ml. You would give 1 ml a day. $70 is a lot for a 30 day supply. Gary - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do it. Her mouth is inflamed so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in. The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of that is overnight frio packing) Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily? I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she responds to it. It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged. thanks for your help Gloria Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3378 (20080822) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
I didn't realize Interferon could be given orally. The interferon we had for BooBoo was given subcutaneously. My vet called into my pharmacy and they got it for me. As I remember it was a lot less expensive than I thought it would be and the amount we got would have lasted a lot longer than Boo would. As it was he only had 2 doses and died. We were fortunate to be able to give the rest of it to two cats that were Felv positive at the Clinic and were not anywhere near ill like our baby. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do it. Her mouth is inflamed so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in. The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of that is overnight frio packing) Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily? I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she responds to it. It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged. thanks for your help Gloria Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3377 (20080821) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question
We've been using interferon with our two FeLV positive kitties for over a year now. Our vet said I could give it by mixing it into food, but usually we administer the required dosage in a needless syringe and the kitties just swallow it. (I want to be sure they get all their dose.) So far, both cats are doing well. Bo is almost four now, and Seven is just over a year old. I don't think I have the list that Gloria sent to you, Jane, but I would be very interested in reading it and learning any more that I can. Good luck! Jody Today's Topics: 1. Interferon question (Jane Lyons) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:36:34 -0400 From: Jane Lyons Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 28 *** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
I think what I use is 30 units daily. Mine has no flavoring, but marshmallow sounds fine to me! I started getting mine from a very rescue friendly vet who charges $15 - gives me about a 90 day supply. If you call around, or ask rescue people, you might find a cheaper price. Gloria At 04:15 PM 8/22/2008, you wrote: They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do it. Her mouth is inflamed so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in. The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of that is overnight frio packing) Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily? I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she responds to it. It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged. thanks for your help Gloria Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
I think what I use is 30 units daily. Mine has no flavoring, but marshmallow sounds fine to me! I started getting mine from a very rescue friendly vet who charges $15 - gives me about a 90 day supply. If you call around, or ask rescue people, you might find a cheaper price. Gloria At 04:15 PM 8/22/2008, you wrote: They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do it. Her mouth is inflamed so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in. The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of that is overnight frio packing) Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily? I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she responds to it. It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged. thanks for your help Gloria Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
My regular vet, who I initially got it from, charged something like that. Then I started getting it compounded at a compounding pharmacy, and chicken flavored. Then I shopped around for cheaper price, asked a few people ha! Got it cheaper with a rescue friendly vet. Gloria At 05:03 PM 8/22/2008, you wrote: You probably want to be giving 30 IU not 30 ml. Interferon is usually dosed down to 30 IU per ml. You would give 1 ml a day. $70 is a lot for a 30 day supply. Gary - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do it. Her mouth is inflamed so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in. The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of that is overnight frio packing) Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily? I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she responds to it. It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged. thanks for your help Gloria Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3378 (20080822) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
My regular vet, who I initially got it from, charged something like that. Then I started getting it compounded at a compounding pharmacy, and chicken flavored. Then I shopped around for cheaper price, asked a few people ha! Got it cheaper with a rescue friendly vet. Gloria At 05:03 PM 8/22/2008, you wrote: You probably want to be giving 30 IU not 30 ml. Interferon is usually dosed down to 30 IU per ml. You would give 1 ml a day. $70 is a lot for a 30 day supply. Gary - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do it. Her mouth is inflamed so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in. The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of that is overnight frio packing) Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily? I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she responds to it. It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged. thanks for your help Gloria Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3378 (20080822) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne
Sorry, thought I sent it to the list, guess not. Tally used to be on this list (maybe 2001?). Guess that's when I got on this list. Anyhow - This is her info on her web site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html Interferon used in this way, Lynne, is oral low dose interferon alpha. Not injected. It can of course be administered in other ways, but this is intended to provide a gentle ongoing boost to the kitty immune system. There's lots of undocumented, unresearched stuff about interferon, but this is the protocol that many use. There's also a discussion of whether you do constant, or on-off (like 7 days on, then 7 off). As I understand from Tally's info, the theory for the constant, daily dosage, is that the cat is low in its own natural interferon , and this is intended to supplement it. Now mind you, I'm just saying what I recall, so don't have sources right now other than Tally's info. Gloria At 07:56 PM 8/22/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been using interferon with our two FeLV positive kitties for over a year now. Our vet said I could give it by mixing it into food, but usually we administer the required dosage in a needless syringe and the kitties just swallow it. (I want to be sure they get all their dose.) So far, both cats are doing well. Bo is almost four now, and Seven is just over a year old. I don't think I have the list that Gloria sent to you, Jane, but I would be very interested in reading it and learning any more that I can. Good luck! Jody Today's Topics: 1. Interferon question (Jane Lyons) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:36:34 -0400 From: Jane Lyons Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 28 *** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne
Sorry, thought I sent it to the list, guess not. Tally used to be on this list (maybe 2001?). Guess that's when I got on this list. Anyhow - This is her info on her web site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html Interferon used in this way, Lynne, is oral low dose interferon alpha. Not injected. It can of course be administered in other ways, but this is intended to provide a gentle ongoing boost to the kitty immune system. There's lots of undocumented, unresearched stuff about interferon, but this is the protocol that many use. There's also a discussion of whether you do constant, or on-off (like 7 days on, then 7 off). As I understand from Tally's info, the theory for the constant, daily dosage, is that the cat is low in its own natural interferon , and this is intended to supplement it. Now mind you, I'm just saying what I recall, so don't have sources right now other than Tally's info. Gloria At 07:56 PM 8/22/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been using interferon with our two FeLV positive kitties for over a year now. Our vet said I could give it by mixing it into food, but usually we administer the required dosage in a needless syringe and the kitties just swallow it. (I want to be sure they get all their dose.) So far, both cats are doing well. Bo is almost four now, and Seven is just over a year old. I don't think I have the list that Gloria sent to you, Jane, but I would be very interested in reading it and learning any more that I can. Good luck! Jody Today's Topics: 1. Interferon question (Jane Lyons) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:36:34 -0400 From: Jane Lyons Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 28 *** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne
If I ever have a positive cat again I would definitely consider this. I'm wondering if it can be made into a trans dermal. We found that this method worked really well for our dear old Lennie and his thyroid medication. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne Sorry, thought I sent it to the list, guess not. Tally used to be on this list (maybe 2001?). Guess that's when I got on this list. Anyhow - This is her info on her web site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html Interferon used in this way, Lynne, is oral low dose interferon alpha. Not injected. It can of course be administered in other ways, but this is intended to provide a gentle ongoing boost to the kitty immune system. There's lots of undocumented, unresearched stuff about interferon, but this is the protocol that many use. There's also a discussion of whether you do constant, or on-off (like 7 days on, then 7 off). As I understand from Tally's info, the theory for the constant, daily dosage, is that the cat is low in its own natural interferon , and this is intended to supplement it. Now mind you, I'm just saying what I recall, so don't have sources right now other than Tally's info. Gloria At 07:56 PM 8/22/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been using interferon with our two FeLV positive kitties for over a year now. Our vet said I could give it by mixing it into food, but usually we administer the required dosage in a needless syringe and the kitties just swallow it. (I want to be sure they get all their dose.) So far, both cats are doing well. Bo is almost four now, and Seven is just over a year old. I don't think I have the list that Gloria sent to you, Jane, but I would be very interested in reading it and learning any more that I can. Good luck! Jody Today's Topics: 1. Interferon question (Jane Lyons) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:36:34 -0400 From: Jane Lyons Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 28 *** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3381 (20080822) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne
That's a good question Lynne ...I don't know and my vet is learning from the information that Gloria sent to me, via Tally. I became interested when I read that paper published by the French veterinarians that stated that interferon was the only treatment that they thought improved the quality and longevity of Felv kitties. I had been considering Imulan, but El has been using it and the last time she posted, she was not quite sure about it. MeMe is probably 2, possibly 2.5 and I was hoping if we could keep building her immunity she might make it through that difficult 2.5 to 3 stage. She is the funniest cat. We have two Scotties and when I walk them she insists on going. She walks ahead of them (with her cat jacket on) on a leash with her tail straight up. It's difficult to juggle three leash handles, but they all are on retractable leads, which means that MeMe climbs a few trees ever now and then. From what I've read on the list, it seems that FeLV kittens are the most endearing. I know MeMe is. take care Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Lynne wrote: If I ever have a positive cat again I would definitely consider this. I'm wondering if it can be made into a trans dermal. We found that this method worked really well for our dear old Lennie and his thyroid medication. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne Sorry, thought I sent it to the list, guess not. Tally used to be on this list (maybe 2001?). Guess that's when I got on this list. Anyhow - This is her info on her web site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html Interferon used in this way, Lynne, is oral low dose interferon alpha. Not injected. It can of course be administered in other ways, but this is intended to provide a gentle ongoing boost to the kitty immune system. There's lots of undocumented, unresearched stuff about interferon, but this is the protocol that many use. There's also a discussion of whether you do constant, or on-off (like 7 days on, then 7 off). As I understand from Tally's info, the theory for the constant, daily dosage, is that the cat is low in its own natural interferon , and this is intended to supplement it. Now mind you, I'm just saying what I recall, so don't have sources right now other than Tally's info. Gloria At 07:56 PM 8/22/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been using interferon with our two FeLV positive kitties for over a year now. Our vet said I could give it by mixing it into food, but usually we administer the required dosage in a needless syringe and the kitties just swallow it. (I want to be sure they get all their dose.) So far, both cats are doing well. Bo is almost four now, and Seven is just over a year old. I don't think I have the list that Gloria sent to you, Jane, but I would be very interested in reading it and learning any more that I can. Good luck! Jody Today's Topics: 1. Interferon question (Jane Lyons) --- --- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:36:34 -0400 From: Jane Lyons Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 28 *** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3381 (20080822) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne
I'm convinced that cats that have this disease are very special little creatures. I no longer have a positive cat but the girl we have now was a rescued cat, seized from this horrible pet store owner. She was lucky in the sense that she was taken in by a rescue group and spent 2 months being rehabilitated. I understand the diagnosis was feline herpes virus. You'd never know she had been so close to death now. The only reminder of her illness is a scar on her one eye. She's a persian and the most loving cat we've owned. She comes to bed with me every night but won't go to sleep until Bob comes up to tell her how beautiful she is. She is just so endearing and so smart, very clingy, not like the boys we've had in the past who were a little more independent. When we lost BooBoo the vet introduced us to another positive cat Baby whose owners were not certain they wanted her after learning about her disease. We were ready to take her home but the owners had a change of heart, which is good. Still, I wouldn't hesitate to take on another. I learned a lot from BooBoo as hopeless as his case was and now just losing Lennie, I realize that both Bob and I are quite capable of handling all the sorrow that eventually goes along with owning cats but am reassured that we do the best we can for them and in the end it enriches all of our lives. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne That's a good question Lynne ...I don't know and my vet is learning from the information that Gloria sent to me, via Tally. I became interested when I read that paper published by the French veterinarians that stated that interferon was the only treatment that they thought improved the quality and longevity ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gloria/ question
Hey Jane - ]]\ I haven't used it in a year or two, so I'll have to check my dosage. I used instructions from the vet I got it from and used Tally's instructions at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html In fact it was originally Tally who promoted it's use here. This is human interferon, not Omega Interferon. As I recall, I mixed it as per the vets instructions, then put it in smaller tubs which I would thaw out periodically to use . When I originally got it from my vet, the cost was excessive. Like $60 for a fairly small bottle. I found different prices with different vets, and finally found it (unmixed) for $15 from a sympathetic vet, and started mixing it myself (as per his instructions and Tallys instructions, except I used plastic tubs not syringes. Gloria On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: Gloria I am going to follow your advice. My kitten is roughly 2+ years. She was highly symptomatic and recovered with the exception of mildly inflamed gums. Last week she had a relapse with some sneezing and a mild runny nose. Since we are facing that 2.5 to 3 year danger zone I thought I should begin interferon. Would you tell me what you use and how? I was told by a friend to start with human interferon. My vet never offered it as an alternative, so I am going to have to tell her what to prescribe and what dosage to give. If I did not have this list, we would never had made it past the first year. I appreciate your advice. Jane On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Welcome to the list! I must admit, I feed pretty ordinary food. Would do better if I didn't do rescue and consequently have rescue cats. But I have 2 FELV cats that I acquired from Oklahoma, and they're over 10. I've had them for a few years, the previous owner had them for quite a few. They're not on anything special, except love and care. The vet for the previous owner had them vaccinated for FELV yearly - he thought it helped. Go figure. All my FELV cats are over 3. The problems I've had are at the age 2.5 to 3 yrs old, and never had one make it past that age. My current 'theory' is to use interferon till they get over 3 yrs. I have a friend with 1 FELV, and 1 non-FELV, and the FELV kitty made it to 3 yrs and beyond and she does keep him on interferon.. They're doing great too! Thanks for writing and for joining the list! Gloria in Arkansas At 08:31 PM 8/13/2008, you wrote: Hello! I'm new to this list. My husband and I have two FeLV positive cats. Bo is four, and Seven was a year old in June. We have them both on interferon and have regular well-cat visits with our vets. So far, Bo and Seven are in good health. I have read a lot recently about diets for cats with FeLV. Any tips from the folks here on what to look for in designing a good-health diet for our beloved cats? Glad to be a part of this list! Jody (and Bo Seven) -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Gloria/ question
Gloria I am going to follow your advice. My kitten is roughly 2+ years. She was highly symptomatic and recovered with the exception of mildly inflamed gums. Last week she had a relapse with some sneezing and a mild runny nose. Since we are facing that 2.5 to 3 year danger zone I thought I should begin interferon. Would you tell me what you use and how? I was told by a friend to start with human interferon. My vet never offered it as an alternative, so I am going to have to tell her what to prescribe and what dosage to give. If I did not have this list, we would never had made it past the first year. I appreciate your advice. Jane On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Welcome to the list! I must admit, I feed pretty ordinary food. Would do better if I didn't do rescue and consequently have rescue cats. But I have 2 FELV cats that I acquired from Oklahoma, and they're over 10. I've had them for a few years, the previous owner had them for quite a few. They're not on anything special, except love and care. The vet for the previous owner had them vaccinated for FELV yearly - he thought it helped. Go figure. All my FELV cats are over 3. The problems I've had are at the age 2.5 to 3 yrs old, and never had one make it past that age. My current 'theory' is to use interferon till they get over 3 yrs. I have a friend with 1 FELV, and 1 non-FELV, and the FELV kitty made it to 3 yrs and beyond and she does keep him on interferon.. They're doing great too! Thanks for writing and for joining the list! Gloria in Arkansas At 08:31 PM 8/13/2008, you wrote: Hello! I'm new to this list. My husband and I have two FeLV positive cats. Bo is four, and Seven was a year old in June. We have them both on interferon and have regular well-cat visits with our vets. So far, Bo and Seven are in good health. I have read a lot recently about diets for cats with FeLV. Any tips from the folks here on what to look for in designing a good-health diet for our beloved cats? Glad to be a part of this list! Jody (and Bo Seven) -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
