[flexcoders] Trees for Every one
Since the left pane metaphor of a tree organizing hierarchical information is such a widely used controls. Is there a way we can all pull together and turn the Adobe Component Explorer into an application that supports Drag and Drop. I still do not see a Download .ZIP for this particular application. Could someone from Adobe please send me a direct URL to the download? And don't forget the Scene7.com Webinar in 61 minutes. I hope I'm wrong, but my research tells me SaaS (Software as a Service) provided in both Small and Large business editions. Sure there's a lot of work out there in some geographic locations, and in some cases remote contracts (I did one for a company in the UK), but Procuring that opportunity on freelance bidding web sites, whether it's a 50k+ project for a large business or much lesser for a Small Business; it's a new change in things. This is not about the, what I call Watercolor Configurator technology on raster data that Scene7 is good at, and others know how to do this as well and are even doing Master's Thesis' on it. It's about the Press Statement to use this technology within FLEX to Build FLEX Applications. I hope nobody is fooled about the direct intended use of FLEX, and not any diversions of eCatalogs and Configurators, those are just parts within the FLEX plan as I have read them. I hoping 54 minutes I'm wrong. -r On Sep 10, 2008, at 11:38 AM, juan.mendez wrote: Manohar,, thank you for your insights.. i tried it but didn't work for me.. so i used this one and it worked. http://life.neophi.com/danielr/2007/05/mx_internal.html what Manohar is trying to imply here is use _dropData. i am currently working on a project where i have to detect the parent where a new node in the tree will reside. So i use _dropData, which tells me who the parent is. Based on that i can allow or disallow dropping the dragged item inside the parent... But your input was what i was looking for, other than that. I am set and ready to prevent the event when dragDrop takes place.. I am planning to later explain in more detail.. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tree---Drag-Drop---prevent-drop-into-folder-tp17304720p19414819.html Sent from the FlexCoders mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
[flexcoders] Webinar tommorrow at 11am PST, 1pm EST (directly related to FLEX)
Don't forget Webinar tomorrow, 11am PST, 1pm EST. Make sure you ask if FLEX is the interface, and Scene7 imaging technology (and cataloging) is just part of the FLEX design strategy, and make sure you ask if you'll be competing against Against Adobe head to head potentially, in both Small Business and Large Business SaaS's. This is unprecedented; I'll say no more because I have plenty of research from web, LexNex, HiBm. All these all-nighters have got me confused, the Webinar is tomorrow at 11am PST, and 1pm EST, here's the e-mail, Thank you for registering for our Webinar on Adobe Scene7 Rich Media Solutions. Date: Thursday, September 11th Time: 10 am – 11am PT (1 p.m. – 2 p.m. ET) Go to: http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/scene7ondemand/ Type in your FIRST and LAST name in the open field, then click on the box that reads ENTER. For audio conferencing please call: Toll Free Dial In: 1-877-347-0176 Dial In: 1-719-466-2386 For international call-in numbers: http://www.scene7.com/registration/weekly_webinar_numbers.asp We look forward to your participation. Best regards, Marketing Staff Scene7 OnDemand Media Solutions Adobe Systems Incorporated If you've never used Adobe Acrobat Connect Professional, get a quick overview: http://www.adobe.com/products/breeze/productinfo/meeting/experience/index_mm.html
Re: [flexcoders] Hi
Nancy, We might be talking about different things. (1) Under the FLEX 2.0 examples, you could, for example, go to the FLEX Style Explorer, http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/samples/style_explorer/ (2) Then click on Experience the application which leads you to here, http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/consulting/styleexplorer/Flex2StyleExplorer.html (3) You can then Right Click anywhere on the app and click View Source and it appears for the MXML page, and then to the left you see all the files for actionscript, components, etc. And There is a download source (ZIP) link at the bottom. Does any of this appear for you for the FLEX 3.0 component explorer below, http://examples.adobe.com/flex3/componentexplorer/explorer.html Or for any other FLEX 3.0 example for that matter? Hopefully they will be updated soon. -r
Re: [flexcoders] Hi
Thanks. For whatever reason nothing appears in the bottom right corner for me, even on Internet Explorer, for the FLEX3 Component Explorer. I'll check the sdk directory though. Tried to run it right from the explorer.html but it wouldn't for Safari or Firefox. I imagine it needs the http:// protocol instead of file:// I've figured out a lot since I got my MacPro but not how to start a small Web Server to test things via http:// Any Mac machines rule people out there that know how to do this? -r On Sep 9, 2008, at 4:15 AM, Haykel BEN JEMIA wrote: Paul and Nancy were talking about the bottom right pane of the explorer that displays the source of the selected control. The sources of the explorer are available with Flex Builder. They are under sdks\version\samples\explorer. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Nancy, We might be talking about different things. (1) Under the FLEX 2.0 examples, you could, for example, go to the FLEX Style Explorer, http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/samples/style_explorer/ (2) Then click on Experience the application which leads you to here, http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/consulting/styleexplorer/Flex2StyleExplorer.html (3) You can then Right Click anywhere on the app and click View Source and it appears for the MXML page, and then to the left you see all the files for actionscript, components, etc. And There is a download source (ZIP) link at the bottom. Does any of this appear for you for the FLEX 3.0 component explorer below, http://examples.adobe.com/flex3/componentexplorer/explorer.html Or for any other FLEX 3.0 example for that matter? Hopefully they will be updated soon. -r
Re: [flexcoders] Can't remember the name of the application.
You might want to get a Mac for your next computer. The Spyglass search beats Google Desktop and Mickeysoft's new Search hands down. I found the explorer applications in the sdk's (see post: Re: Hi) just by typing sdk The results came up as I typed and I just clicked on the folder. I have Google Desktop on my Windoze PC and it's just not the same. Though I like Google as a company. -r On Sep 9, 2008, at 4:51 AM, Mikhail Shevchuk wrote: Hello, flexcoders! There is a library or some tool that can be embedded into your application that lets user to see the description of a given component. The feature of that tool is that it shows this information in runtime. User just hovers(or something like this) over a button for example and tooltip with the info bubbles out. I have a set of nested containers and one of them has undesired scrollers there, so I would like to know which of them is guilty :) That is the reason I am searching this tool. This is pretty frequent operation I have in my work so I'd like to optimize this job with this tool. Thanks in advance. -- m. | http://creationcomplete.com
Re: [flexcoders] Hi
Hello Narayana, There are no kings on this list so feel free to ask a question. I have had contact with someone at Adobe about an upcoming portal so some of issues people have will go away hopefully. In ActionScript 2.0, I don't have a file open but just from memory, you access the actual attribute by it's name instead of using a . specifier. So, if you have a folder that is as such, folder id=1Narayana/folder Then you reference it when parsing it as, theFolder (this would be Narayana if theFolder is an instance) -or- theFolder.id (this would be the 1) Of course there may be others who can answer also, but that's just a quick help. I'm a beginner in FDT Enterprise 3.0 which is awesome when used with the Open Source Flex SDK. I have Flex Builder 3.0 Pro with ILOG, which is nice, but I feel the FDT and Open SDK route is safer given recent events. But I'm not a beginner in Flash CS3 and all it's predecessors. I kindly ask that nobody but Narayana or anyone who has anything but something positive and constructive to say to not respond with a flame thrower. There are a few Narayana who will look down on your questions and waste more time complaining against you from a distance (which is cowardly; they wouldn't do it on the street). You needn't bow down to them. You've just right to this list as anyone and it seems one focused in on your word beginner instead of spending the same energy with a quick and easy and helpful response. Just persist peacefully in asking questions and if someone say your Spamming the list this is just a habit some of the Kings have in responding, because they are legends in their own mind. Forward, Focused thought. -r On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:53 AM, narayana wrote: Hi Friends am beginer in flex. please help me . i think here all are exports. my problem is am reading xml file in flex program. am reading xml file is node only. if its attribute how i can read? i will show example xml file with node TrustedCatreres Contact FirstName The Corner Deli/FirstName Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Email PhoneNumber (650) 000-1212/PhoneNumber PostalAddress 1234 Stevens Creek Blvd, Cupertino, CA /PostalAddress LastName /LastName /Contact Contact FirstName Good Earth/FirstName Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Email PhoneNumber (408) 555-/PhoneNumber PostalAddress 567 Homestead Ave, Cupertino, CA /PostalAddress LastName /LastName /Contact /TrustedCatreres this file i can read in flex program. if xml has attribute below shown example folderList folder state= label=Today todo list isBranch=true folder cat=Travel state=High duedate=3/09/2008 isBranch=false label=book tickets / folder cat=Social state=Low duedate=4/09/2008 isBranch=false label=Meeting at 7pm / folder state= isBranch=true label=Home folder cat=Home state=High duedate=3/09/2008 isBranch=false label=Pay power bill / folder cat=Home state=High duedate=3/09/2008 isBranch=false label=Pay rent / folder cat=Home state=Low duedate=3/09/2008 isBranch=false label=Call parents / folder cat=Home state=Low duedate=3/09/2008 isBranch=false label=Attend John birthday party / folder cat=Home state=Medium duedate=3/09/2008 isBranch=false label=Special Updates / folder cat=Home state=high isBranch=false label=get Dr. appointment / /folder folder state= isBranch=true label=Office folder cat=Off state=High isBranch=false label=Meeting at 5pm / folder cat=Off state=Low isBranch=false label=Complete document and send to client / folder cat=Off state=Low isBranch=false label=Interviews and Transcripts / folder cat=Off state=High isBranch=false label=Set Deployment machine / folder cat=Off state=High isBranch=false label=send status reports / /folder /folder /folderList how can i read that xml atributes please help me.am requsting all of my friends...
Re: [flexcoders] Hi
That's a great example alright...many applications lend themselves well to this kind of structure. HOWEVER: There does not appear to be a Right-Click VIew Source which brings up a left pane and then allows you to download source. With a lot on most people's plate, this is a good starter example to save time. -r On Sep 8, 2008, at 5:22 AM, Paul Andrews wrote: Check out the Flex explorer - it has an example for you to follow. http://examples.adobe.com/flex3/componentexplorer/explorer.html Paul - Original Message - From: raj balaji To: Flex Coders Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: [flexcoders] Hi Hi all, I want to use the repeater control in Actionscript, where the repeater control should add the component dynamically, can u tell me how to do that,,, I am getting the data from xml... Thanks in advance
Re: [flexcoders] Hi
Yes I've noticed that for nearly every other app. But not this one, http://examples.adobe.com/flex3/componentexplorer/explorer.html I've tried in on Firefox and Safari. -r On Sep 8, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Paul Andrews wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Hi That's a great example alright...many applications lend themselves well to this kind of structure. HOWEVER: There does not appear to be a Right-Click VIew Source which brings up a left pane and then allows you to download source. Robert, every single example in the explorer comes with copyable source code shown in the bottom right pane of the explorer. Paul With a lot on most people's plate, this is a good starter example to save time. -r On Sep 8, 2008, at 5:22 AM, Paul Andrews wrote: Check out the Flex explorer - it has an example for you to follow. http://examples.adobe.com/flex3/componentexplorer/explorer.html Paul - Original Message - From: raj balaji To: Flex Coders Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: [flexcoders] Hi Hi all, I want to use the repeater control in Actionscript, where the repeater control should add the component dynamically, can u tell me how to do that,,, I am getting the data from xml... Thanks in advance
Re: [flexcoders] SEO and Flash content
Josh could you detail the googlebot and expand on what you write below? -r On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:19 PM, Josh McDonald wrote: Google most definitely re-indexes from various different data- centres (read: class B addresses) and I'm sure also occasionally using random real user-agents, and will punish sites which consistently return A to googlebot and B to browsers. They'd be fools not to, and they hire a *lot* of very smart people. -Josh On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a meeting with ( forgot his name ) from Adobe and he gave me the scoop. You will not be able to determine ( legally ) if and when your .swf is being indexed. You can't even get a report on how successful / unsuccessful the spider was in crawling your .swf There are no 'best practices' just don't try to 'cheat'. Apparently, Adobe and the other search providers have developed methods ( both separately and together ) to 'punish' those who spam their content. My opinion of the whole thing It's a Joke, don't waste your time. Remember that community effort to get ( i think it was ) Flexalicious to pop up in google. Well it failed nicely. Alan On Sep 8, 2008, at 8:54 PM, arieljake wrote: I was wondering what it takes for the server to realize that a request is coming from Google's indexing machines so that text can be output instead of a Flex app. Also, do we need to be careful doing this to not get in trouble with Google? Are their best practices to follow when we output the text? -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. http://flex.joshmcdonald.info/ :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license?
It died yesterday and you just brought it to life again. It wasn't just him telling me to F___ off. It was my request thereafter to get off my back and he said No, I won't. Stop bringing bad things back to life. I can't let a post to flexcoders@yahoogroups.com where there are many recipients of your e-mail go unanswered. So it wasn't the nuclear option, it was him refusing to get off my back. Your Confidentiality notice is kind of odd since you are posting to the whole group and have put in extensive legalese. I did contract work for a company in the UK, I don't know why your including that kind of information in a post send to flexcoders@yahoogroups.com instead of directly to my e-mail address. -r On Sep 2, 2008, at 4:51 AM, Tom Chiverton wrote: On Monday 01 Sep 2008, Robert Thompson wrote: I've reported you to Yahoo Abuse and Google Abuse for your cursing. I would have preferred your first step to be an appeal to the moderators, rather than jumping for the nuclear option (if Google/Yahoo suspend his account then it's not just here that is effected). Consider this a request to everyone to let this thread in particular, and the personal stuff in general die. -- Tom Chiverton, moderator, just back from holiday This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo ! Groups Links
Re: [flexcoders] Who is Robert Thompson?
Since I'd like to speak for myself since I'm the one on the Subject Line, I'd like to say that the threads over the weekend happened as so: 1. I received an e-mail from Adobe about the upcoming Scene7.com Webinar on Thursday Sept. 11th 2. I asked the group, which I've not posted on for a very long time, but have followed since the very 1st FLEX Beta, and is where I go to ask people like Matt Chotin who was either with Macromedia and now Adobe the last time I spoke about encouraging Adobe to support an OpenGL effort so that SilverLight doesn't try to squash Flash; I posted to hope for a response from him or someone in his position about Scene7 and how it will effect Flex coding. 3. I wanted to know more about about Scene7.com and it's effects on my future plans as just several months ago I purchased FLEX Builder 3.0 with ILOG Elixr (especially for the Radar component which I use to help a professor out with some research visualization) and my purchase cost me $1,777 (Additionally I had just put about 2 grand into Adobe Master Suite; which relates more to my current but now unstable commitment to Adobe as a company, but it's the Flex purchase that's relevant). 4. Since it appeared to me from the e-mail, Whitepaper, Client list and after doing some research, a press release I found from last fall about the Acquisition of Scene7.com and the resignation of the CEO about the same time, it appeared to me, from the words I read, that a FLEX based service will be offered by Adobe to e-Commerce business owners at large. I felt that the length of the client list and this change in direction (that I perceived, I'm not talking about what I may not know about Adobe which is why I posted) was a potential betrayal against Flex coders investing a lot of time and money into plans of their own to offer services in this area. Mine being called CART WEB SERVICE, which has integrated a SQL Server 2005 database eCommerce system with a FLEX, Flash and in the case of one client a DHTML with FLV video. 5. So what I've been concerned about is something that I've not scene before either in Macromedia or it's predecessor FutureWave and it's successor Adobe, and that is a clear line as a provider of Applications and Developer tools. Many problems can arise when these are not clearly defined and the issues of the 1990's regarding Microsoft made this pretty clear; which is one reason I've moved to primarily Mac OSX development and Adobe Software on Mac OS X (with the exception of some other software like FCS2). 6. I was and am still concerned, and have expressed that I hoping all of this is more cleared up after the Webinar, that the plans for Scene7.com will or will not effect any bidding or work plans FLEX coders such as myself focused on e-Commerce, especially in the music and fine-art business (2 sites will be launched in September by me based on an integration of an e-Commerce platform with Flash and Flex). 7. I also want to know this earlier rather than later so I can adjust my plans. If Adobe is not competing against developers it sells to, then great, I continue to love Adobe and root for them and especially AIR over Microsoft, whom I made the wrong decision out of college to devote myself to and ended up losing several years of development effort; something I cannot go into. 8. For whatever reason this was taken as an offense by a few people and it escalated from there to me trying not to let a negative post by me go corresponded to in a well mannered way. 9. I expressed some serious concerns I have about my12 year investment in programming in Flash, Actions, ActionScript 1,2,3, and Flex, all of which I've shown excitement and enthusiasm in the past on, and I hope to continue to show enthusiasm on as I do not want to use SilverLight only as I've had a bad relationship with MS, and I hope to continue to show enthusiasm also because I don't want to throw away 12 years of skills. 10. And this is a nice # to stop at, I was basically told to F*** off by Josh McDonald. He had mis-understood or whatever it was that compelled him to tell me that my post. I subsequently posted that I would try to remain more focused but for him to get off my back. He said No, I will not get off your back. That is the only reason I contacted Yahoo to ask them to tell him to get off my back. If someone has the Gaul to curse you out from a distance, I personally believe it's cowardly. The analogy of being told to f.o. in NYC or other street areas is totally different; obviously things are more clear, and there are clear legal complications of that in public. Online there's no legal complications until you begin to get personal to a certain thresh hold. No thresh hold has been reached, so please don't read anything into that, I just want to get things more clear on the Webinar date, be left alone until then, and change my plans after The Webinar if I have to. There are enough
Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license?
I asked politely not to talk about me anymore and explained myself in response to Matt Chotin. In that message you'll find that I am not pissed off at Adobe. Do not make statements about me with your typing. I'm concerned and left it with and /end for this the 3rd time now until the Webinar is over. So please, I ask you to stop personally addressing this at me and painting broad strokes. I've left it alone - but I have to defend myself against a post like this. Please stop, kindly. I do admit I have strong opinions, but I don't get pissed these days, it's not in my healths best interest. -r On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Battershall, Jeff wrote: Robert, You're like the fox in the proverbial hen house just kickin' up a storm when all us chickens just want to lay some eggs (hopefully golden ones). You're a man with some strong opinions and I'll give you that, but at this point we all just want to get on with our lives. I ask you, courteously, to please desist with your Adobe agenda, at least on this list. You're pissed at them, got it. You've made your point(s) and we'd like to go back to what we were doing: giving technical advice and receiving technical advice - about Flex. Jeff -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:25 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license? It died yesterday and you just brought it to life again. It wasn't just him telling me to F___ off. It was my request thereafter to get off my back and he said No, I won't. Stop bringing bad things back to life. I can't let a post to flexcoders@yahoogroups.com where there are many recipients of your e-mail go unanswered. So it wasn't the nuclear option, it was him refusing to get off my back. Your Confidentiality notice is kind of odd since you are posting to the whole group and have put in extensive legalese. I did contract work for a company in the UK, I don't know why your including that kind of information in a post send to flexcoders@yahoogroups.com instead of directly to my e-mail address. -r On Sep 2, 2008, at 4:51 AM, Tom Chiverton wrote: On Monday 01 Sep 2008, Robert Thompson wrote: I've reported you to Yahoo Abuse and Google Abuse for your cursing. I would have preferred your first step to be an appeal to the moderators, rather than jumping for the nuclear option (if Google/Yahoo suspend his account then it's not just here that is effected). Consider this a request to everyone to let this thread in particular, and the personal stuff in general die. -- Tom Chiverton, moderator, just back from holiday This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/ flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo ! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [flexcoders] Flex and Scene7, Flexstore license, List etiquette
Let me clear the air on me once and for all and say that Matt has put into words exactly what I, for whatever reason, of for being unknown or whatever, said differently and got concerned about. The answer is, Yes, I am doing a lot of Bayesian Probability research (Indeterministic systems) and some of that has to do with recoloring sections of images. I had the pleasure of speaking with one of the leaders in this field from Cornell University, although it wasn't in a proper setting, he at least recognized some of my points, and I some of his. This man is extremely talented and a PhD of course, and deals with medical imaging. Music and medical imaging are what got me on the road to Bayesian probability. I just posted only one response in defense to someone mentioning me and I'd like to hide away in my nest egg as the person put it, and be left alone and out of your comments until September 12th when the Webinar is over. And even then I probably won't post because some of the more frequent posters on this list, simply do not like me. Can this be the /end and if not, can Matt Chotin's word's below be the end/ as although I don't know how he feels about me, I do respect him greatly. -r On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Matt Chotin wrote: Hey guys, I guess this is what I get for going on vacation last week huh? Clearly most of you guys saw the threads last week (and even today frankly) that I think went well over the line of what should be considered acceptable list behavior. I'd like to remind everyone that the words you post here are basically going to live on forever in search engines, mail archives, etc. Try not to write things that are going to embarrass you in the future. And while in general I don't have a problem with foul language (one need only hang out with me briefly) I think this forum is not the place for it, and ask that if you take the time to type it out, you take the time to take a deep breath and use those backspace and delete keys. OK, play nice, issue closed. Robert was saying that there's a Scene 7 webinar and it will talk about Flex and developers may want to pay attention. I think most of you should go and attend but that's because I think that Scene 7 offers interesting opportunities for various ecommerce solutions. I do not see Scene 7 competing with most of what you guys do (at least as far as I know). If however you have a system that you sell to large ecommerce sites that does high-end image manipulation including color changes and various transforms, I think you may be a competitor. Other than that, I don't believe Scene 7 competes with what most Flex developers do. Doesn't mean Adobe doesn't end up competing with customers. I always feel a total tinge of guilt when I see a really cool product out there and know that Adobe will compete in that area too. Adobe is a public company that needs to grow, that means that we will not be contracting our areas of focus, we will be expanding. We obviously have a huge stake in image software, it is reasonable to assume that we will be going into the web version of that pretty heavily (most folks would agree we'd be pretty stupid not to). If you look at where Acrobat is successful (and as much as folks hate Reader for being slow, it's really really successful) it is in business productivity. You can imagine we'll be continuing along those lines (see acrobat.com). So that's two examples, I'm sure there are others. Last question was on Flexstore license and whether you can use it as the basis for commercial software or whatever. Answer: yes. You can use Flexstore to do whatever you want. I think all the samples we post on dev center where source is available, you can treat that as being open to doing whatever you want where it says see accompanying license. Hope this helps, Matt Adobe Flex Product Manager
Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license?
You are among a group. I have received some e-mails discussing the nature of bullies on the list. If there is any reason I don't stop it's because it's wrong to let a message like this go without answering. Your words are aggressive, not mine. I've not harassed you, you are harassing me (right now). A secret petition says a lot about you, not me. -r On Sep 1, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote: I think your comment below is level headed and good, and here's where I stop. You know how many times you said your going to stop? Robert, your alone and you know it. You just don't see the signs man, you don't see the petition to get you banned from this list that is going around. The users on this list are against you, not sucking in your warm beautiful sun rays. The funny thing is, the way you YELL at people and force false information down their throat,, by hijacking threads and changing titles, I'm sure this isn't the first time someone has told you to FO. PS If I was a moderator of this forum, I would have banned you with this last tirade. Mike On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm simply responding to the F___ O___ statement. There's no ego here. Everyone contributes different things. If FTD Enterprise 3.0 is not seen as a contribution with it's extensive toolset as an Eclipse FLEX compiler that works with the FLEX SDK than I'd say I disagree with you. Check out the tool and you'll see that it provides a lot of [flexcoding] functionality that FLEX Builder does not. Someone else asked about the Store, I made a reply, and he replied to me with a F___ O I think any reasonable person looking at the sequence can see that he overstepped the bounds. If it was said to you, I think you'd report it also. I'm not trying to get him off the list. After responding to his aggression I'll go back into my passive mode. But I can't let a cowardly comment like that go unanswered. -r On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Guy Morton wrote: Josh was perhaps ill-advised to put that in writing, but frankly, he just wrote what others are by now no doubt thinking. Josh contributes MUCH more useful stuff to this list than you do Robert, so if you really have other people's interests at heart you'd not be trying to get him kicked off this list. The fact that you are suggests to me that your ego has outgrown your common sense. Guy On 01/09/2008, at 9:55 AM, Robert Thompson wrote: Because of your cursing, I won't respond to any more questions on this thread. However, take the we out of your statement telling me to F___ O___ and calling my detailed responses schizophrenic paranoid delusional. All others, attend the Webinar and try to protect your future by simply getting things straightened out. If they change from what I've read, hurray for Adobe! I'll leave it as a clear case of abuse in the form of expletives, and names. - Goodbye, and please get some sleep or take your anger about your life out on someone else. On Aug 31, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Josh McDonald wrote: No, I won't get off your back, stop spamming the list with your insane whining. Ask Adobe followed by 4 pages of your paranoid schizophrenic delusional rambling is not answering the question. -- Teoti Graphix, LLC http://www.teotigraphix.com Teoti Graphix Blog http://www.blog.teotigraphix.com You can find more by solving the problem then by 'asking the question'.
Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license?
Mike...if you'd just stop posting personal message against me this would all leave this group less cluttered. To answer your statement. Harassment is someone telling someone else to F___ off which Josh said to me for simply informing others about FDT Enterprise 3.0 which has several dozen enhancements to it's Eclipse IDE for [flexcoders] to structure their code; take care of global renaming and much more. Contribution is letting other Flexcoders know of any tools out there that can provide them with higher quality, a more secure path for their investment in time and money into their coding, and more options to display on devices, including a group focused on GPU level programming for higher performance. There's a great individual out there blogging about this and the Pixel Bender kit as related to [flexcoding] but I need not inform you of that, since you twist every contribution I try to make. I'm asking you politely to stop harassing me. If you have a petition that you say you are secretly sending around to get me kicked off this list, then I'm sure Yahoo will forward it to me, and I'll take action at that time if there needs to be any proper handling of it, and your abusive attitude. Let people speak. Stop trying to stop good information out. For the last time, direct your anger somewhere else, as it was in there a long time before you saw me online; I'm pretty convinced of that given your words which show your state of mind. Try to leave it alone. If you don't, that's your choice. But continued personal comments about me are wrong to go unanswered when Yahoo is looking into this. And nobody has done anything of extreme totality except for the threatening words of Josh to me. If he's willing to say them in public online from a distance, there's far more implications in the real world, which is why Yahoo takes those comments so seriously. It's threatening in an extreme aggressive way. -r On Sep 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: No, I don't think you have the capacity to understand what harassment is. If there is any reason I don't stop it's because it's wrong to let a message like this go without answering. No, you just hijack threads and change titles. Your words are aggressive, damn right they are A secret petition says a lot about you, not me. It does, it says I'm on the other side. Mike On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: You are among a group. I have received some e-mails discussing the nature of bullies on the list. If there is any reason I don't stop it's because it's wrong to let a message like this go without answering. Your words are aggressive, not mine. I've not harassed you, you are harassing me (right now). A secret petition says a lot about you, not me. -r On Sep 1, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote: I think your comment below is level headed and good, and here's where I stop. You know how many times you said your going to stop? Robert, your alone and you know it. You just don't see the signs man, you don't see the petition to get you banned from this list that is going around. The users on this list are against you, not sucking in your warm beautiful sun rays. The funny thing is, the way you YELL at people and force false information down their throat,, by hijacking threads and changing titles, I'm sure this isn't the first time someone has told you to FO. PS If I was a moderator of this forum, I would have banned you with this last tirade. Mike On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm simply responding to the F___ O___ statement. There's no ego here. Everyone contributes different things. If FTD Enterprise 3.0 is not seen as a contribution with it's extensive toolset as an Eclipse FLEX compiler that works with the FLEX SDK than I'd say I disagree with you. Check out the tool and you'll see that it provides a lot of [flexcoding] functionality that FLEX Builder does not. Someone else asked about the Store, I made a reply, and he replied to me with a F___ O I think any reasonable person looking at the sequence can see that he overstepped the bounds. If it was said to you, I think you'd report it also. I'm not trying to get him off the list. After responding to his aggression I'll go back into my passive mode. But I can't let a cowardly comment like that go unanswered. -r On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Guy Morton wrote: Josh was perhaps ill-advised to put that in writing, but frankly, he just wrote what others are by now no doubt thinking. Josh contributes MUCH more useful stuff to this list than you do Robert, so if you really have other people's interests at heart you'd not be trying to get him kicked off this list. The fact that you are suggests to me that your ego has outgrown your common sense. Guy On 01
[flexcoders] Options on ActionScript 3.0 Editing in FLEX
Just as a note on ActionScript 3.0 Editing in FLEX. Papervision3D just posted news of their contest, endorsed FDT Enterprise Edition as their preferred ActionScript Editor. From Papervision3D.org, quote, 2nd Place- VectorVision - Winner of FDT Enterprise Edition (our preferred ActionScript editor) Papervision3D is a great organization who has dramatically improved flexcoding possibilities. FDT + Papervision3D = Great news for everyone. http://blog.papervision3d.org/ -r Note: As a recommendation I was given, I note that this is an appropriately verified post to inform [flexcoders] of important information. Please do not reply in a counter-productive or aggressive fashion to good news that provides value to [flexcoders] :-)
Re: [flexcoders] Options on ActionScript 3.0 Editing in FLEX
Well, not everyone, I just discovered it through JumpEye components last week through an announcement by them. I'm not psychic either, nor am I a diplomate repainting someone's well intended post by painting them as a public service announcer. It's a great tool, I'm sorry if you know everyone's mind and what they're thinking here to presume they know about 3.0 and the 3.1 beta. I have no affiliation with PowerFlasher (FDT) or Papervision, so I'm not a public service announcer. With the exceptions of people writing me that they agree people should not be ganging up and policing people on simple posts that they can read or not read, it appears that there is a small group of close knit cuddled up people here who don't like anyone posting but themselves. Now that's sad. So is being told to F___ off by Josh and it's glossed over like it's nothing. This is sad and this list certainly has changed in the past year. But it's not me crying. I'm not sure if you believe in karma, but all this stuff is just ridiculous. It's not logical for 2-3 people to keep say we and nobody here unless it's a small cuddled group; why don't you just ignore whatever it is that keeps offending your peeps. -r On Sep 1, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Paul Andrews wrote: Robert loads of people already know about FDT, many people here and on flashcoders use it. Nobody here wants anyone acting like some public service announcer here on the forums. It's highly patronising to list. It'all going to end in tears. - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Options on ActionScript 3.0 Editing in FLEX Just as a note on ActionScript 3.0 Editing in FLEX. Papervision3D just posted news of their contest, endorsed FDT Enterprise Edition as their preferred ActionScript Editor. From Papervision3D.org, quote, 2nd Place- VectorVision - Winner of FDT Enterprise Edition (our preferred ActionScript editor) Papervision3D is a great organization who has dramatically improved flexcoding possibilities. FDT + Papervision3D = Great news for everyone. http://blog.papervision3d.org/ -r Note: As a recommendation I was given, I note that this is an appropriately verified post to inform [flexcoders] of important information. Please do not reply in a counter-productive or aggressive fashion to good news that provides value to [flexcoders] :-)
Re: [flexcoders] Options on ActionScript 3.0 Editing in FLEX
By the way, the Enterprise version, which I'm still in a 30 day evaluation of, was just released in March (and again I just discovered it, and you somehow know most people on the list use it, I've done some searches on the group and see no evidence of that lofty claim). How is it you are speaking for everyone that I shouldn't post what I said below FDT Enterprise Edition and you write back a diplomatically polite, but obvious intended message. Just leave my posts alone if you don't like them. I share the excitement of a great new tool discovered, are you pompously speak for everyone and implicitly tell me to shut up by calling me a public service announcer. This is just you and Josh and a few others who appear to want to be the only people contributing anything here. Nothing is as clear as the message of Josh to tell me to F off. Yet you ignore that. Hypocrisy. -r On Sep 1, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Paul Andrews wrote: Robert loads of people already know about FDT, many people here and on flashcoders use it. Nobody here wants anyone acting like some public service announcer here on the forums. It's highly patronising to list. It'all going to end in tears. - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Options on ActionScript 3.0 Editing in FLEX Just as a note on ActionScript 3.0 Editing in FLEX. Papervision3D just posted news of their contest, endorsed FDT Enterprise Edition as their preferred ActionScript Editor. From Papervision3D.org, quote, 2nd Place- VectorVision - Winner of FDT Enterprise Edition (our preferred ActionScript editor) Papervision3D is a great organization who has dramatically improved flexcoding possibilities. FDT + Papervision3D = Great news for everyone. http://blog.papervision3d.org/ -r Note: As a recommendation I was given, I note that this is an appropriately verified post to inform [flexcoders] of important information. Please do not reply in a counter-productive or aggressive fashion to good news that provides value to [flexcoders] :-)
Re: [flexcoders] Options on ActionScript 3.0 Editing in FLEX
Thanks Randy. I never had an issue with Josh and didn't know who he was until he said fo. The problem is that I've had several posts that he's responded to negatively. I've asked him to get off my back. He said, No I won't then the fo. The reason the fo is significant is that it's not discussion - it's just a cowardly give in to analytical reasoning. People speak - we exchange words of meaning. He broke down and let out some level of anger that again, I say he just must have already been having a bad day. it's off my table. perhaps you can tell him to not respond negatively to my posts and get off my back, because he said very clearly No I won't. -r On Sep 1, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Randy Martin wrote: OK. I’ve been reading this thread with some interest. After all, everyone needs a little humor in their daily life. J I’m amazed that we, as human beings, still let words anger us so much. So what if someone tells you to FO? “Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words…” If you lived in New York or New Jersey, you’d probably hear the f-word several hundred times a day in normal conversation. They’d just tell you to “forget about it.” So, Robert, my suggestion to you (and it’s just a suggestion – I would never presume to tell you what to do) is to just let it go. If you have an issue with Josh, please take it off-list. After all, it is just between you and Josh. Also, just as a last little observation, Robert, “thou dost protest too much, methinks.” In the immortal words of the Eagles on their Hell Freezes Over comeback album, just “Get Over It.” Of course, that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong – I’ve been wrong at least one other time that I can remember. J ~randy From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:37 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Options on ActionScript 3.0 Editing in FLEX By the way, the Enterprise version, which I'm still in a 30 day evaluation of, was just released in March (and again I just discovered it, and you somehow know most people on the list use it, I've done some searches on the group and see no evidence of that lofty claim). How is it you are speaking for everyone that I shouldn't post what I said below FDT Enterprise Edition and you write back a diplomatically polite, but obvious intended message. Just leave my posts alone if you don't like them. I share the excitement of a great new tool discovered, are you pompously speak for everyone and implicitly tell me to shut up by calling me a public service announcer. This is just you and Josh and a few others who appear to want to be the only people contributing anything here. Nothing is as clear as the message of Josh to tell me to F off. Yet you ignore that. Hypocrisy. -r On Sep 1, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Paul Andrews wrote: Robert loads of people already know about FDT, many people here and on flashcoders use it. Nobody here wants anyone acting like some public service announcer here on the forums. It's highly patronising to list. It'all going to end in tears. - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Options on ActionScript 3.0 Editing in FLEX Just as a note on ActionScript 3.0 Editing in FLEX. Papervision3D just posted news of their contest, endorsed FDT Enterprise Edition as their preferred ActionScript Editor. From Papervision3D.org, quote, 2nd Place- VectorVision - Winner of FDT Enterprise Edition (our preferred ActionScript editor) Papervision3D is a great organization who has dramatically improved flexcoding possibilities. FDT + Papervision3D = Great news for everyone. http://blog.papervision3d.org/ -r Note: As a recommendation I was given, I note that this is an appropriately verified post to inform [flexcoders] of important information. Please do not reply in a counter-productive or aggressive fashion to good news that provides value to [flexcoders] :-)
Re: [flexcoders] Re: What is Flexcoders?
I think those posts have ended, at least by me. I said very clearly in one post to that I would make an effort to stay focused on [flexcoders] which is why i've been using that name when referring to something. my last post was on FDT Enterprise - that's all. and then the ball came swinging again. the issue is over for me. as for ol which i won't mention by full name you just mentioned it, the whole reason I brought that up is because i've been trying to decide for months on the best way to invest flexcoding time into place where it won't just die one day due to some big change in the industryand that's where my inquiry all began...in just that so i don't think it's off topic if i [flexcode] and want that code to be able to work with other runtimes, so that one day i don't wake up and a few years of investment in time and money are gone. i made that point, from then on it was 1 person angry with me, then another polite, then the fo remark / better to deal with something sooner rather than later. can we go back to my /end which was made so clear in the topic heading to stop this, because Josh clearly said No I won't (get off my back I asked). -r On Sep 1, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Guy Morton wrote: Of course, having said that, we do need to draw the line somewhere. eg if you were to have a situation where one list member was: * going on and on about the same topic excessively despite the annoyance that this was causing many other list members * padding replies with unrelated rants about pet topics * making ongoing recommendations of other technologies, like say, Open Laszlo * writing posts long on rhetoric but short on relevant facts I think at some point then, someone might have to tell them to pull their heads in. What do you think? Guy On 29/08/2008, at 8:55 AM, Tim Hoff wrote: Fair enough and thanks for the opinion. Yes, the previous Silverlight discussion also fits into this category. Don't get me wrong, my opinion is just one in this group and the delete key is my friend also. Just trying to keep it somewhat real. Thanks Guy, -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think anyone is much interested in personal rants, but there is a decent-sized grey area of topics that some people believe are off- topic and want to suppress (my recent discussion with the MS product manager for Silverlight being one example). Personally, I think considered rational discussion about Flex in the context of other technologies is something every developer should take at least a passing interest in. The vast majority of the email that lands in my flexcoders folder is of no immediate interest to me and I'm sure others must have the same experience on such a busy list for a product with such a broad range of applications. As a result, I think tolerating the odd thread that doesn't specifically relate to coding in Flex isn't that hard. I'd encourage those who are prone to trying to kill off threads they don't personally like to consider that developers are a broad church and that we should perhaps keep an open mind about what others choose to contribute, so long as it relates to Flex in some significant way. If a discussion doesn't interest you, use the delete key! Guy On 29/08/2008, at 7:35 AM, Tim Hoff wrote: Hi All, This is the text from the original FlexcodersFAQ.txt file: 1. What is Flexcoders? Flexcoders is a forum where developers can ask questions about Flex, FlexBuilder, and Flex-related technologies (like Cairngorm and FlexUnit). The community is made up of everyday Flex developers as well as Adobe employees. However, this is not an official Adobe- sponsored forum, it is moderated by the community. However the original moderators who are still actively involved are folks from iteration::two, now members of Adobe Consulting. In light of some recent threads, that have clearly been personal comentary, instead of flex-related technology questions, I thought that it might be useful at this time to reinforce the spirit of this list, and to also ask the list how others feel about personal rants posted here. Are there others that feel that the number of off- topic threads has increased to the point that it's getting out of hand and that the appropriate place for these type of posts should be personal blogs; instead of this list? I realize that this isn't a technology question in itself, but it seems that people are hoping that by ignoring those that are abusing the list, that they will go away. This doesn't appear to be the case. Thanks in advance for your responses, -TH
Re: [flexcoders] Re: What is Flexcoders?
Aussies... Australian swimmers are pretty awesome. The track team I was on in college and the swim team used to hang out a lot. I dated an all- american swimmer (best looking girlfriend I've had up to that point), and I saw some of the swim team members at some of last few Olympics and trials. Swimmers, especially Aussies are fierce competitors. http://www.swimming.org.au/ Why are aussies so good at swimming? Is in their genetics or just a really good ahtletic program down there? Ian Thorpe is one of the greatest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9T_-oiYppgfeature=related We had a few exchange students from Australia when I was in H.S., one was state champ (same year I was; NO EGO) I'm american (don't hold that against me :) -r On Sep 1, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Guy Morton wrote: Yeah, Doug, we're Australians. No Labor Day holidays for us! Of course, being Australians, we were drunk anyway. On 02/09/2008, at 8:43 AM, Josh McDonald wrote: Curse you doug! We don't have any more public holidays until the 26th of December! But then, I *do* get to live in Queensland :D -Josh On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Doug McCune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, it's labor day. Can we all please just go outside and get drunk? Spend time with your loved ones and let's all stop being obsessed with a dumb mailing list argument. Go eat a hamburger, drink about 12 beers, and realize that none of this nonsense matters. Doug -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license?
To answer your question about any purchaser of Adobe products having to license an example they put out for use. Microsoft, Adobe, nearly every company puts (C) Copyright statements in it's examples. This is to prevent competitors from outright distributing code they have no right to. As examples to the FLEX Builder Product Owner, these examples have a very real place in teaching you how things are done. The Hybrid and Store 2.0 examples are frankly not as complicated as you might think - as long as you base all your data exchange on XML. As long as you create your own system, I wouldn't worry about it. But the future of AIR and Flash Player I would worry about. My hope is Papervision comes out with their own Plug-in; as at this point and time, it's the perfect timing to let Flash Player 9 and earlier deal with all the earlier sites. And spread the word, if they choose to develop one, a Papervision3D plug-in, and began where FutureWave did, with a fresh new high performance platform for Visual Computing. The IT integration with things like Cold Fusion can then happen in more of a W3C and SOAP XML complaint way (Or RESTful XML way). I myself am playing things safer, including in the use of any ColdFusion, by taking the following route: Using FTD Enterprise 3.0 as my IDE so it's not an Adobe Product Using Open .SWF formats and tools, and Flash CS3 only when necessary for my clients Working on a new Cycling '72 like visual interface for programming and generating .SWF's (or hopefully .P3D's if Papervision3D hopefully goes out on their own since it appears Adobe cannot be trusted and is getting prideful and greedy in my opinion (what they're trying to do now with Acrobat is a joke; and I thought that before the discoveries of last week) Encouraging Papervision3D to go out on their own and take this great opportunity in time and be the next FutureSplash by developing their own plug-in Integrating CUDO graphic support into OpenLaszlo.org version 4.0 Anything that allows use of Adobe products only when necessary, and changing focus on W3C Standards and more reasonable people who are less greedy to do not charge large sums of money to a development community and then turn on them. Even Microsoft is not doing with Adobe is doing. I've always saw them as a deal with when necessary company and was pulling for them 100% until last week. I have no love for them at all anymore. I see a dark future for them as they are growing lustful obviously with the possibilities of AIR. Things will change though. The safest route at this time while Adobe is creating FLEX applications for these companies, is to take a step back, and big breath, and look at the long-term future of the Web. Look at the clients they have served on Scene7.com and the fact that a FLEX interface is, was, and will continue to be used to complete projects like the NIKE project (which many of us on this list have the capability of doing) Here's the NIKE project, http://www.nike.com/index.jhtml?cp=USNS_AD_0724081536l=nikestore,grid,_pdp,cid-1/gid-98967/pid-98967,_grid,f-35015%2010001re=USco=USla=EN#l =nikestore,grid,_pdp,cid-1/gid-98967/ pid-98967,_grid,f-35015%2010001re=USco=USla=EN Here's the client list that some of FLEX coders who spent money on projects could have possibly bid on (whether it's ELanc.com or any of the other freelance, or bidding hubs out there), 1154 LILL STUDIO AdsPay USA AGAM Group, Ltd. Aircraft Shopper Online AlluraDirect.com Al's Formal Wear Amazon.com Anderson Press Incorporated Annalee Mobilitee Dolls, Inc. Ann Taylor Anthropologie ARTstor Art Van Furniture Auction123, Inc. Baghaus Bare Necessities Baseball Express, Inc. Bass Pro Shops Bassett Furniture Bath Body Works Beall’s Department Stores, Inc. Beau Ties Ltd. of Vermont Behr Paint Benchmark Brands Bernie Phyl's Furniture Bertolini Sanctuary Seating Best Co. Blockbuster Bloomingdale's Bombay Company Brewster Wallcovering Company Bronner’s CHRISTmas Wonderland Butterfield Robinson California State University at Fullerton Calvert Education Services Casual Male Retail Group, Inc. CATFootwear.com Cathy's Concept Cendant Chaparral Motorsports Chicago Historical Society Chic Mystique Children's Wear Digest Cloudveil Club Colors Coldwater Creek Commemorative Brands Cookie Lee Corporate Express Cost Plus, Inc. CPA2Biz Cutter Buck David's Bridal DayTimers Delightful Deliveries Delta Faucet Company Dennis Kirk Design Center Solutions (DCS) Design Toscano Design Within Reach Diamond H Recognition Direct Supply, Inc. Drexel Heritage Furniture Industries, Inc. DoItYourself.com eBags.com eBizAutos Eddie Bauer Eileen Fisher, Inc EMI Plastic Equipment enavia.com Exclusively Weddings ExOfficio F. Schumacher Co. Fathead Filativa Finestationery.com Fiori Belli Follett Higher Education Group Fortunoff.com Forzieri Foto Source Canada Inc Fresh Produce Furniturefind.com Furniture
Re: [flexcoders] Re: download many files at a time
There is one out there I remember seeing it. It's a Flash Downloader also and looks similar to the Safari Download Dialog in that it stacks the progress bars on top of each other. I'll look for it and see if I can post a link to it for you on this forum. Just remember me as that guy who's trying to help out, there's not much left for me to do, but exactly that, and it's a good feeling (despite the hat'in by a few people on this forum). -r On Aug 31, 2008, at 12:47 PM, dialogtmp wrote: Thank you! But this is also my problem. Has any method only show a dialog when download many files? Can flex customize method like customizing component? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, bjorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's possible, but you need to show a new save dialog for each file though. 2008/8/28 dialogtmp [EMAIL PROTECTED] hello,all I want to let user to download many files at a time, but I can't use the server side language to implement. I have already searched much information, but still could not find the solution. How should I do? Dose it possible implement in flex? thanks, dialogtmp -- http://www.juicability.com - flex blog http://www.43min.com - funny movies
Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license?
Listen, I didn't post the question but was answering it. And told the person it's the best thing to do to contact them and that it's standard to (C) samples so they aren't misused. So get off my back. As for your your expletive, I'll make sure and pass it on to Yahoo. I doubt you'd make that comment in person Sherif. If you care to, come visit my town, I'll make sure and call the Sheriff and you can spend the night in jail. -r On Aug 31, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Sherif Abdou wrote: WEll, I would email Adobe since it says this on every file // // Copyright (C) 2003-2006 Adobe Macromedia Software LLC and its licensors. // All Rights Reserved. // The following is Sample Code and is subject to all restrictions on such code // as contained in the End User License Agreement accompanying this product. // If you have received this file from a source other than Adobe, // then your use, modification, or distribution of it requires // the prior written permission of Adobe. // and can we stop complaining and spamming now about Adobe and scene7 already.1) Your answer had nothing to do with the question and welcome to the world. 2_If your that scared from losing some bids and the job then you don't belong to this business, just saying. 3) You have to adapt and move on, and FutureWave/FutureSplash is technically Adobe Flash. 4)Papervision plug-in? What are you talking about? - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license? To answer your question about any purchaser of Adobe products having to license an example they put out for use. Microsoft, Adobe, nearly every company puts (C) Copyright statements in it's examples. This is to prevent competitors from outright distributing code they have no right to. As examples to the FLEX Builder Product Owner, these examples have a very real place in teaching you how things are done. The Hybrid and Store 2.0 examples are frankly not as complicated as you might think - as long as you base all your data exchange on XML. As long as you create your own system, I wouldn't worry about it. But the future of AIR and Flash Player I would worry about. My hope is Papervision comes out with their own Plug-in; as at this point and time, it's the perfect timing to let Flash Player 9 and earlier deal with all the earlier sites. And spread the word, if they choose to develop one, a Papervision3D plug-in, and began where FutureWave did, with a fresh new high performance platform for Visual Computing. The IT integration with things like Cold Fusion can then happen in more of a W3C and SOAP XML complaint way (Or RESTful XML way). I myself am playing things safer, including in the use of any ColdFusion, by taking the following route: Using FTD Enterprise 3.0 as my IDE so it's not an Adobe Product Using Open .SWF formats and tools, and Flash CS3 only when necessary for my clients Working on a new Cycling '72 like visual interface for programming and generating .SWF's (or hopefully .P3D's if Papervision3D hopefully goes out on their own since it appears Adobe cannot be trusted and is getting prideful and greedy in my opinion (what they're trying to do now with Acrobat is a joke; and I thought that before the discoveries of last week) Encouraging Papervision3D to go out on their own and take this great opportunity in time and be the next FutureSplash by developing their own plug-in Integrating CUDO graphic support into OpenLaszlo.org version 4.0 Anything that allows use of Adobe products only when necessary, and changing focus on W3C Standards and more reasonable people who are less greedy to do not charge large sums of money to a development community and then turn on them. Even Microsoft is not doing with Adobe is doing. I've always saw them as a deal with when necessary company and was pulling for them 100% until last week. I have no love for them at all anymore. I see a dark future for them as they are growing lustful obviously with the possibilities of AIR. Things will change though. The safest route at this time while Adobe is creating FLEX applications for these companies, is to take a step back, and big breath, and look at the long-term future of the Web. Look at the clients they have served on Scene7.com and the fact that a FLEX interface is, was, and will continue to be used to complete projects like the NIKE project (which many of us on this list have the capability of doing) Here's the NIKE project, http://www.nike.com/index.jhtml?cp=USNS_AD_0724081536l=nikestore,grid,_pdp,cid-1/gid-98967/pid-98967,_grid,f-35015%2010001re=USco=USla=EN#l =nikestore,grid,_pdp,cid-1/gid-98967/ pid-98967
Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license?
Well it looks like [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Josh McDonald) used that expletive. So I redirect. Don't try to start a real fight by telling some one to f___ o___ as you did. And if you dare have the guts to threaten someone in such a way, either make an arrangement legally to get in the dojo, or come talk to the Sheriff in my town. I take your comment as a direct threat. -r On Aug 31, 2008, at 6:36 PM, Josh McDonald wrote: Look buddy, everybody in here's been real polite so far. Fuck off. -Josh On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:17 AM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: To answer your question about any purchaser of Adobe products having to license an example they put out for use. Microsoft, Adobe, nearly every company puts (C) Copyright statements in it's examples. This is to prevent competitors from outright distributing code they have no right to. As examples to the FLEX Builder Product Owner, these examples have a very real place in teaching you how things are done. The Hybrid and Store 2.0 examples are frankly not as complicated as you might think - as long as you base all your data exchange on XML. As long as you create your own system, I wouldn't worry about it. But the future of AIR and Flash Player I would worry about. My hope is Papervision comes out with their own Plug-in; as at this point and time, it's the perfect timing to let Flash Player 9 and earlier deal with all the earlier sites. And spread the word, if they choose to develop one, a Papervision3D plug-in, and began where FutureWave did, with a fresh new high performance platform for Visual Computing. The IT integration with things like Cold Fusion can then happen in more of a W3C and SOAP XML complaint way (Or RESTful XML way). I myself am playing things safer, including in the use of any ColdFusion, by taking the following route: Using FTD Enterprise 3.0 as my IDE so it's not an Adobe Product Using Open .SWF formats and tools, and Flash CS3 only when necessary for my clients Working on a new Cycling '72 like visual interface for programming and generating .SWF's (or hopefully .P3D's if Papervision3D hopefully goes out on their own since it appears Adobe cannot be trusted and is getting prideful and greedy in my opinion (what they're trying to do now with Acrobat is a joke; and I thought that before the discoveries of last week) Encouraging Papervision3D to go out on their own and take this great opportunity in time and be the next FutureSplash by developing their own plug-in Integrating CUDO graphic support into OpenLaszlo.org version 4.0 Anything that allows use of Adobe products only when necessary, and changing focus on W3C Standards and more reasonable people who are less greedy to do not charge large sums of money to a development community and then turn on them. Even Microsoft is not doing with Adobe is doing. I've always saw them as a deal with when necessary company and was pulling for them 100% until last week. I have no love for them at all anymore. I see a dark future for them as they are growing lustful obviously with the possibilities of AIR. Things will change though. The safest route at this time while Adobe is creating FLEX applications for these companies, is to take a step back, and big breath, and look at the long-term future of the Web. Look at the clients they have served on Scene7.com and the fact that a FLEX interface is, was, and will continue to be used to complete projects like the NIKE project (which many of us on this list have the capability of doing) Here's the NIKE project, http://www.nike.com/index.jhtml?cp=USNS_AD_0724081536l=nikestore,grid,_pdp,cid-1/gid-98967/pid-98967,_grid,f-35015%2010001re=USco=USla=EN#l =nikestore,grid,_pdp,cid-1/gid-98967/ pid-98967,_grid,f-35015%2010001re=USco=USla=EN Here's the client list that some of FLEX coders who spent money on projects could have possibly bid on (whether it's ELanc.com or any of the other freelance, or bidding hubs out there), 1154 LILL STUDIO AdsPay USA AGAM Group, Ltd. Aircraft Shopper Online AlluraDirect.com Al's Formal Wear Amazon.com Anderson Press Incorporated Annalee Mobilitee Dolls, Inc. Ann Taylor Anthropologie ARTstor Art Van Furniture Auction123, Inc. Baghaus Bare Necessities Baseball Express, Inc. Bass Pro Shops Bassett Furniture Bath Body Works Beall's Department Stores, Inc. Beau Ties Ltd. of Vermont Behr Paint Benchmark Brands Bernie Phyl's Furniture Bertolini Sanctuary Seating Best Co. Blockbuster Bloomingdale's Bombay Company Brewster Wallcovering Company Bronner's CHRISTmas Wonderland Butterfield Robinson California State University at Fullerton Calvert Education Services Casual Male Retail Group, Inc. CATFootwear.com Cathy's Concept Cendant Chaparral Motorsports Chicago Historical Society Chic Mystique Children's Wear Digest Cloudveil Club Colors Coldwater Creek Commemorative Brands Cookie Lee Corporate Express
Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license?
All of that talk is overwith. I've reported you to Yahoo Abuse and Google Abuse for your cursing. It's cowardly. Very much so. Says more about you than me. -r On Aug 31, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Josh McDonald wrote: No, I won't get off your back, stop spamming the list with your insane whining. Ask Adobe followed by 4 pages of your paranoid schizophrenic delusional rambling is not answering the question. We get it. You're worried about Adobe competing against developers. Now shut the hell up about it, some of us have *actual* problems to solve. -Josh On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Listen, I didn't post the question but was answering it. And told the person it's the best thing to do to contact them and that it's standard to (C) samples so they aren't misused. So get off my back. As for your your expletive, I'll make sure and pass it on to Yahoo. I doubt you'd make that comment in person Sherif. If you care to, come visit my town, I'll make sure and call the Sheriff and you can spend the night in jail. -r On Aug 31, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Sherif Abdou wrote: WEll, I would email Adobe since it says this on every file // // Copyright (C) 2003-2006 Adobe Macromedia Software LLC and its licensors. // All Rights Reserved. // The following is Sample Code and is subject to all restrictions on such code // as contained in the End User License Agreement accompanying this product. // If you have received this file from a source other than Adobe, // then your use, modification, or distribution of it requires // the prior written permission of Adobe. // and can we stop complaining and spamming now about Adobe and scene7 already.1) Your answer had nothing to do with the question and welcome to the world. 2_If your that scared from losing some bids and the job then you don't belong to this business, just saying. 3) You have to adapt and move on, and FutureWave/FutureSplash is technically Adobe Flash. 4)Papervision plug-in? What are you talking about? - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license? To answer your question about any purchaser of Adobe products having to license an example they put out for use. Microsoft, Adobe, nearly every company puts (C) Copyright statements in it's examples. This is to prevent competitors from outright distributing code they have no right to. As examples to the FLEX Builder Product Owner, these examples have a very real place in teaching you how things are done. The Hybrid and Store 2.0 examples are frankly not as complicated as you might think - as long as you base all your data exchange on XML. As long as you create your own system, I wouldn't worry about it. But the future of AIR and Flash Player I would worry about. My hope is Papervision comes out with their own Plug-in; as at this point and time, it's the perfect timing to let Flash Player 9 and earlier deal with all the earlier sites. And spread the word, if they choose to develop one, a Papervision3D plug-in, and began where FutureWave did, with a fresh new high performance platform for Visual Computing. The IT integration with things like Cold Fusion can then happen in more of a W3C and SOAP XML complaint way (Or RESTful XML way). I myself am playing things safer, including in the use of any ColdFusion, by taking the following route: Using FTD Enterprise 3.0 as my IDE so it's not an Adobe Product Using Open .SWF formats and tools, and Flash CS3 only when necessary for my clients Working on a new Cycling '72 like visual interface for programming and generating .SWF's (or hopefully .P3D's if Papervision3D hopefully goes out on their own since it appears Adobe cannot be trusted and is getting prideful and greedy in my opinion (what they're trying to do now with Acrobat is a joke; and I thought that before the discoveries of last week) Encouraging Papervision3D to go out on their own and take this great opportunity in time and be the next FutureSplash by developing their own plug-in Integrating CUDO graphic support into OpenLaszlo.org version 4.0 Anything that allows use of Adobe products only when necessary, and changing focus on W3C Standards and more reasonable people who are less greedy to do not charge large sums of money to a development community and then turn on them. Even Microsoft is not doing with Adobe is doing. I've always saw them as a deal with when necessary company and was pulling for them 100% until last week. I have no love for them at all anymore. I see a dark future for them as they are growing lustful obviously with the possibilities of AIR. Things
Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license?
Because of your cursing, I won't respond to any more questions on this thread. However, take the we out of your statement telling me to F___ O___ and calling my detailed responses schizophrenic paranoid delusional. All others, attend the Webinar and try to protect your future by simply getting things straightened out. If they change from what I've read, hurray for Adobe! I'll leave it as a clear case of abuse in the form of expletives, and names. - Goodbye, and please get some sleep or take your anger about your life out on someone else. On Aug 31, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Josh McDonald wrote: No, I won't get off your back, stop spamming the list with your insane whining. Ask Adobe followed by 4 pages of your paranoid schizophrenic delusional rambling is not answering the question.
Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license?
I'm simply responding to the F___ O___ statement. There's no ego here. Everyone contributes different things. If FTD Enterprise 3.0 is not seen as a contribution with it's extensive toolset as an Eclipse FLEX compiler that works with the FLEX SDK than I'd say I disagree with you. Check out the tool and you'll see that it provides a lot of [flexcoding] functionality that FLEX Builder does not. Someone else asked about the Store, I made a reply, and he replied to me with a F___ O I think any reasonable person looking at the sequence can see that he overstepped the bounds. If it was said to you, I think you'd report it also. I'm not trying to get him off the list. After responding to his aggression I'll go back into my passive mode. But I can't let a cowardly comment like that go unanswered. -r On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Guy Morton wrote: Josh was perhaps ill-advised to put that in writing, but frankly, he just wrote what others are by now no doubt thinking. Josh contributes MUCH more useful stuff to this list than you do Robert, so if you really have other people's interests at heart you'd not be trying to get him kicked off this list. The fact that you are suggests to me that your ego has outgrown your common sense. Guy On 01/09/2008, at 9:55 AM, Robert Thompson wrote: Because of your cursing, I won't respond to any more questions on this thread. However, take the we out of your statement telling me to F___ O___ and calling my detailed responses schizophrenic paranoid delusional. All others, attend the Webinar and try to protect your future by simply getting things straightened out. If they change from what I've read, hurray for Adobe! I'll leave it as a clear case of abuse in the form of expletives, and names. - Goodbye, and please get some sleep or take your anger about your life out on someone else. On Aug 31, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Josh McDonald wrote: No, I won't get off your back, stop spamming the list with your insane whining. Ask Adobe followed by 4 pages of your paranoid schizophrenic delusional rambling is not answering the question.
Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license?
Guy, It must be noted that it is not Common Sense to presume that of all the various levels of contribution here by individuals, that someone somehow has the right to tell me to F___ Off. So please don't look at me as if I've no common sense...fact is,I do, enough to want FLEX to continue to grow, but have posted information that I'm sure Adobe would appreciate everyone having the chance to see the Webinar. Also, if you knew me and what I've been through family-wise, and health-wise, a 10 year heart problem with my Dad triple by-pass, my sister having an Aneyrism that was fixed but then broke and she went into a comaif you knew me and what I've been through you would know that I do not have ego. Any pridefulness I ever had was drowned; and I'm only telling you this because you don't know anything about me, and claim I have an ego. You don't know my intentions for posting to [flexcoders] they are not for my benefit and I gain nothing by them, they are for the benefit of the [flexcoders] community to know that, 1. The FLEX SDK is now Open Source, and there is a great (and better) tool out there called (and it's a [flexcoders] tool) FTD Enterprise 3.0 that greatly improves flexcoding productivity. 2. Contributions by 3rd parties to Open .SWF by the likes of Papervision3D provide an opportunity for them to become the new FutureWave of the new millennium. That's the purpose of Open Source FLEX SDK, and Open .SWF, to encourage these 3rd parties to improve things. 3. My posting on the Battle of the Runtimes was a very newsworthy for any [flexcoder] and the clear pathway in these battles with efforts like OpenLaszlo.org, allows [flexcoders] to be able to program and publish in Open .SWF, SliverLight, JavaFx, and AJAX at the same time. Other formats are coming as well. 4. I have enough experience in Bayesian Probability to do the imaging coloring that Scene7 does. Anyone who follows medical imaging at Cornell University knows these methods well. What do 1-3 mean? They mean, Understanding what's going on with the energy we put into our FLEX mxml and ActionScript code. Please do not Let Information I post directly related to [flexcoding] for the benefit of the coders on this list, provide an excuse to try and tape someone's mouth shut. Common Sense says the person cursing needs a break. Ego, would remove anything in the way of understanding this obvious fact. I did not spend the money I have on Adobe Products, and follow this list since the first FLEX Beta, to be treated this way, and I don't intend to let it pass. I will make any future effort to post directly related to [flexcoders], and for the time being remain passive unless I am defamed or white-washed again by people not wanting others to know information that is relevant. So it's a new beginning if you want it to be --- let's see after the Sept. 11th Webinar (and again, I never asked the question about licensing the Adobe Store; anyone who has purchased SDK's from Microsoft Universal Subscriptions, Macromedia, Adobe and other companies, understands the purpose of these Copyrights, and the idea that someone would have to license something they built on their own from the ground up that appears as a Flexstore is non-sense; or should we say, not common sense). Peace until someone breaks it. -r On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Guy Morton wrote: Josh was perhaps ill-advised to put that in writing, but frankly, he just wrote what others are by now no doubt thinking. Josh contributes MUCH more useful stuff to this list than you do Robert, so if you really have other people's interests at heart you'd not be trying to get him kicked off this list. The fact that you are suggests to me that your ego has outgrown your common sense. Guy On 01/09/2008, at 9:55 AM, Robert Thompson wrote: Because of your cursing, I won't respond to any more questions on this thread. However, take the we out of your statement telling me to F___ O___ and calling my detailed responses schizophrenic paranoid delusional. All others, attend the Webinar and try to protect your future by simply getting things straightened out. If they change from what I've read, hurray for Adobe! I'll leave it as a clear case of abuse in the form of expletives, and names. - Goodbye, and please get some sleep or take your anger about your life out on someone else. On Aug 31, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Josh McDonald wrote: No, I won't get off your back, stop spamming the list with your insane whining. Ask Adobe followed by 4 pages of your paranoid schizophrenic delusional rambling is not answering the question.
Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license?
Sherif, That's cool. I want to note that this message did not come in until I posted a message just now, just to clear the air on the claim that I have no common sense in being a lessor contributor, and having a more often contributor have the right to curse me out. So, I just wanted to make that hypocrisy clear to the one telling me that my ego is so big I don't have common sense. Common Sense says, no matter who you are on this list, you don't tell people to F___ Off like Josh did. Take it easy and have a good Labor Day. I think your comment below is level headed and good, and here's where I stop. Perhaps you can post that message again if I get white-washed by Josh for informing [flexcoders] of [flexcoder] developments in the Open FLEX SDK, or Open .SWF (re: FTD Enterprise 3.0 flexcoder tool, and OpenLaszlo.org Multi-runtime which supports [flexcoders] as well as others (like AJAX, JavaFx, Silverlight). I hope the list gets filled with more people like you. -r On Aug 31, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Sherif Abdou wrote: The internet is serious business :). Let's just all relax, I have yet to see an argument get won over the web so there is no point in keeping this going. - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flexstore license? I'm simply responding to the F___ O___ statement. There's no ego here. Everyone contributes different things. If FTD Enterprise 3.0 is not seen as a contribution with it's extensive toolset as an Eclipse FLEX compiler that works with the FLEX SDK than I'd say I disagree with you. Check out the tool and you'll see that it provides a lot of [flexcoding] functionality that FLEX Builder does not. Someone else asked about the Store, I made a reply, and he replied to me with a F___ O I think any reasonable person looking at the sequence can see that he overstepped the bounds. If it was said to you, I think you'd report it also. I'm not trying to get him off the list. After responding to his aggression I'll go back into my passive mode. But I can't let a cowardly comment like that go unanswered. -r On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Guy Morton wrote: Josh was perhaps ill-advised to put that in writing, but frankly, he just wrote what others are by now no doubt thinking. Josh contributes MUCH more useful stuff to this list than you do Robert, so if you really have other people's interests at heart you'd not be trying to get him kicked off this list. The fact that you are suggests to me that your ego has outgrown your common sense. Guy On 01/09/2008, at 9:55 AM, Robert Thompson wrote: Because of your cursing, I won't respond to any more questions on this thread. However, take the we out of your statement telling me to F___ O___ and calling my detailed responses schizophrenic paranoid delusional. All others, attend the Webinar and try to protect your future by simply getting things straightened out. If they change from what I've read, hurray for Adobe! I'll leave it as a clear case of abuse in the form of expletives, and names. - Goodbye, and please get some sleep or take your anger about your life out on someone else. On Aug 31, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Josh McDonald wrote: No, I won't get off your back, stop spamming the list with your insane whining. Ask Adobe followed by 4 pages of your paranoid schizophrenic delusional rambling is not answering the question.
Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C
I apologize to you Alex. You seem level headed, and I agree, after reading some of the things I have, perhaps it was perceived as Fire and Brimstone. One sure fact is, I've spent 3 years developing my own eCommerce Platform based on FLEX and an XML storage repository. To see the press release about Adobe creating applications just like the ones I, and I'm sure others, had and have planned, seems to be to be not the safest technology base to be in. I have had a good look at OpenLaszlo.org and in Version 4.0 it looks like a great way to integrate things similar to Papervision3D, or even a CUDO based plug-in for NVIDIA CUDO 'C' programming language based GPU (graphics processing language) usage. Macromedia has never taken a step like I saw in the press release and Whitepaper and client-list as Adobe has with Scene7 that will effect FLEX developers more than the majority of them realize right now. Believe it or not, I'm on the SilverLight soap-box now also. I'm on it all...no more blind happy pappa dedication to Adobe, they've made their plans clear. So that's just my apology and response to you and to anyone I've offended. I'm not making any money or getting off on these posts, I am genuinely concerned. -r On Aug 29, 2008, at 10:39 PM, Alex Harui wrote: Matt Chotin is away this week and has moved from development to product management and therefore must now choose his words carefully. I’m still in development so maybe I can get away with more. Robert, I don’t think we’ve met, and I haven’t gone back to see your past history with Flex, but I would like to ask you to think twice about the way you are trying to get your message across before hitting send. Sending high priority messages, and maybe not having all of your facts straight, discredits your message and invites others to get mad or poke fun or both. I believe your message is that Adobe also sells solutions via Scene7 and Adobe Consulting and could purposefully or accidentally end up competing with independents like yourself, and that there are alternatives to Flex such as OpenLaszlo and Silverlight and Quicktime. That part of your message is not really debatable. I’ve worked for Lotus and IBM in my past and they also both sold development tools and had solutions teams and there is a fine line they have to walk. Occasionally, they stepped on one of their independents. It is unfortunate that you’ve been burned in the past, and you and others should definitely keep on the lookout for competition whether from Adobe or other independents. However, the call to arms to have everyone attend a webinar did not warrant “red alert” status. Yellow maybe. And based on your past, I’m surprised you would place so much weight on what you would hear in a webinar or in any public statement by Adobe. This is a fast moving marketplace and Adobe can change its mind right after talking to you. You’ll always have to read the tea leaves and be ready to change course yourself. Finally, this forum is not an Adobe forum. There are non-Adobe moderators. As far as I’m concerned, you can get on your soapbox anytime you want, but if you want to reach a wide audience, fire and brimstone may not be the best approach. If you just want to vent, please warn us up front. And when you get on your soapbox, sometimes you just have a clever comeback line or just ignore the hecklers, including me. Yelling back at them is a waste of your energy. Take the high road, choose your technologies, remain nimble and good luck to you. -Alex From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Cc: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C If you would just read your own comments you'd realize I'm posting objectively and angering just the few of you. I'm thankful to the posters the other day who said, essentially, if you're not interested don't read it. If your thankful to get some information to get to the root of the matter, look into it. I spent $1,777 on FLEX 3.0 with ILOG Elixr, and a lot more on Master Suite. So don't tell me I don't have the right to question the money I've spent and the time invested, and cut my losses, and simply make others aware that there is a War of the RIAs going on and if you care to look into it, here's an article on it, http://counternotions.com/2007/11/15/apple-runtime-answer-2/ I have asked questions about coding. But I'm also looking for the stability of the platform. I pushed very hard from someone to step up and create an OpenGL framework, and although I'm sure there are others, I was one of them, rooting for Adobe, and Macromedia developers like Matt Chotin and a few others
Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C
Alex, I appreciated your post. It was helpful. There have been others that have sent me a nice reply saying that it is good to keep any eye out, and for those that look into Scene7, they can make their own conclusions. I appreciated your time and post and thanked you. I wouldn't demand anything from you - and I don't think anyone else should either. I would demand that Adobe not compete against FLEX users by combining the Scene7 platform with a FLEX based user interface that serves the masses, and will cause, at the very least, many potential clients to say No early on, and then never re-connect again whether they have success with Scene7 or not - and it's relevant because it's a FLEX based interface for corporations. I'm for everyone at this point, except those who don't have ethics. -r On Aug 29, 2008, at 11:52 PM, Alex Harui wrote: Didn’t take much time at all. Wrote it while running unit tests. Please start a new thread about a scheduling framework and what is missing. I doubt I will have time to do anything, but maybe someone else in the community can. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vivian Richard Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:14 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C Wow Alex you definitely did spent a lot of time to write this email. Your time is really precious for the whole user group. I am sure you could come up with another excellent flex example if you would code during this time!!! :-) Alex please develop a good example of flex schedule framework. It is been a while that flex schedule framework came out and there are no good examples out there. Now we are looking at you to show us the way. Please give us time and develop ALEXIAN example of flex schedule frame work. It is not a rude demand but a humble request. Cheers On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Alex Harui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Chotin is away this week and has moved from development to product management and therefore must now choose his words carefully. I'm still in development so maybe I can get away with more. Robert, I don't think we've met, and I haven't gone back to see your past history with Flex, but I would like to ask you to think twice about the way you are trying to get your message across before hitting send. Sending high priority messages, and maybe not having all of your facts straight, discredits your message and invites others to get mad or poke fun or both. I believe your message is that Adobe also sells solutions via Scene7 and Adobe Consulting and could purposefully or accidentally end up competing with independents like yourself, and that there are alternatives to Flex such as OpenLaszlo and Silverlight and Quicktime. That part of your message is not really debatable. I've worked for Lotus and IBM in my past and they also both sold development tools and had solutions teams and there is a fine line they have to walk. Occasionally, they stepped on one of their independents. It is unfortunate that you've been burned in the past, and you and others should definitely keep on the lookout for competition whether from Adobe or other independents. However, the call to arms to have everyone attend a webinar did not warrant red alert status. Yellow maybe. And based on your past, I'm surprised you would place so much weight on what you would hear in a webinar or in any public statement by Adobe. This is a fast moving marketplace and Adobe can change its mind right after talking to you. You'll always have to read the tea leaves and be ready to change course yourself. Finally, this forum is not an Adobe forum. There are non-Adobe moderators. As far as I'm concerned, you can get on your soapbox anytime you want, but if you want to reach a wide audience, fire and brimstone may not be the best approach. If you just want to vent, please warn us up front. And when you get on your soapbox, sometimes you just have a clever comeback line or just ignore the hecklers, including me. Yelling back at them is a waste of your energy. Take the high road, choose your technologies, remain nimble and good luck to you. -Alex From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Cc: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C If you would just read your own comments you'd realize I'm posting objectively and angering just the few of you. I'm thankful to the posters the other day who said, essentially, if you're not interested don't read it. If your thankful to get some information to get to the root
Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Cc: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C If you would just read your own comments you'd realize I'm posting objectively and angering just the few of you. I'm thankful to the posters the other day who said, essentially, if you're not interested don't read it. If your thankful to get some information to get to the root of the matter, look into it. I spent $1,777 on FLEX 3.0 with ILOG Elixr, and a lot more on Master Suite. So don't tell me I don't have the right to question the money I've spent and the time invested, and cut my losses, and simply make others aware that there is a War of the RIAs going on and if you care to look into it, here's an article on it, http://counternotions.com/2007/11/15/apple-runtime-answer-2/ I have asked questions about coding. But I'm also looking for the stability of the platform. I pushed very hard from someone to step up and create an OpenGL framework, and although I'm sure there are others, I was one of them, rooting for Adobe, and Macromedia developers like Matt Chotin and a few others appreciated it. Most of these responses are just anger letting outit's the nature of the game when posting a controversial warning about the coding your doing and it's value 2 years from now when nearly everything can be done (I estimate 80% of what is commonly done in eCommerce, will be done using Scene7.com, not a FLEX developer earning a living). Fyi, I made no claim that OpenLaszlo.org is a new effort, it's in version 4, but what is happening in version 4i is newer. Throw the chip on your shoulder at someone else; I'm trying to warn some of those out there that may blindly make the same mistakes I made in my 20's by blindly trusting Microsoft and believing being chosen for an event to showcase my product was a good thing, an endorsement. It wasn't. It was a precursor for a patent. Try to take the emotions out of this with the words like Crap and such. -r On Friday, August 29, 2008, at 03:01PM, Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug, I take your hand and walk through fiery hell in hopes the Mr. Person might be exorcised. Mike On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Doug McCune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God forgive me, for I have sinned. I am responding to a thread I know I absolutely should not have replied to. Sorry for encouraging the ranting, I just couldn't not reply when this amazing email came into my inbox. Robert, I'll address each paragraph one at a time and tell you exactly why this message, as well as the ones you have been sending in the last day or so, are in fact complete spam and worthy of the comments you have received. On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]plasmaphonic%40mac.com wrote: OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Flash, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime Simply incorrect. OpenLaszlo has been around for years and has always targeted both the Flash runtime and AJAX. That's what it does and that's what it has always done. You write an app and you can target Flash or DHTML. There it no support for Silverlight, there is no support for Flex (what woudl that even mean?), I don't know what you are suggesting when you claim they support Quicktime but that doesn't even make sense. If you are going to make wild claims please back them up with references so we can verify. I also want to point out that this sentence and only one other short sentence later in this message (also completely factually incorrect) are the only two parts of this email that have anything at all to do with the subject of this thread. First of all to the gentlemen suggesting I'm slamming the list. I am not and I take offense at that. Don't accuse me when I am responding to someone else. I posted only 2 original posts and they were in the best interest of the [flexcoders] community, some agreed, some did not. Do not accuse me of spamming unless you are from Adobe and moderating this list. This has nothing to do with the topic you posted. If you have a gripe about someone's reply then reply to that. By creating a new thread and filling it with completely unrelated paragraphs like this you are in fact spamming the list. Second of all, I've been continuing to research this, and have a simple answer to the Runtime Wars that are very real and goign on and are a part of the acquisition of Scene7 which DIRECTLY RELATES TO FLEXCODERS. Don't question, Mr. Person who accuses me of spamming, my motives when I'm trying to get to the bottom of this. Completely unrelated to the subject you posted. Thirdly, OpenLazlo.org has also
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know is, in my opinion, we we're all better off, at this step taken now, with Macromedia. I've been developing in Flash since FutureWave came out with FutureSplash; it's how I got the first WRIF radio contract here in Detroit which got our company $2M in advertising equity (not me, the consulting company I was working for), and it's what got me many side jobs do to my name getting around that I develop fast and good. That's no longer the case. I have a seizure dis-order and only God knows how they came to be. That's my 50-cent (no, not a fan :) but as a funny fact back in the 80's I'd run a route that directly crossed Eminem's house (it was an 8 mile route I ran during HS, College Summers, etc. until the place became overloaded with homes. -r On Aug 30, 2008, at 6:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a different way to look at this. Right now, Flash is still just and on-line technology in the view of most people. Even though AIR does a lot of things, people still don't think it is very important. Similar problem that Microsoft had with VB being considered only a desktop tech and almost none taking it seriously as a server until Microsoft built server based applications. For me, Mass appeal of AIR is huge! It would mean that I can push Flex as a Desktop as well as a Web application. It becomes the replacement for VB and .net which then lets me solidify the build once/deploy everywhere that we have been talking about since the early Java days. I understand your concern that Adobe is doing similar things as you are however, Micorsoft, IBM, Oracle and most others also make a lot of applications that are similar to what their developers build also. The difference is customization as well as usage. I think if Adobe can produce good desktop and Web applications that we can showcase, we will be able to move the market away from Microsoft and Sun and increase the viability of using Flex in corporations. For me, at my company we were choosing between Silverlight, JavaFX, Doja and Flex. It was the fact that Microsoft had released Photoshop Express that helped to sell Flex. That is my .02. Robert Thompson wrote: I agree. Let's see what happens. Everyone here is an individual that can judge for themselves. I myself and quite concerned. I hope to be more informed than the Press Releases, White-paper and list of Clients already served by Adobe with a solution akin to the Hybrid or Flex Store and based on a high-performance platform. Great. But where does that FLEX mass-appeal product leave the developers. If Scene7.com did it themselves great. But Adobe has purchased them, the CEO of Adobe resigned about the same time, and now we have a new Adobe who is building a hybrid lightweight operating system in AIR that I have been very excited about in the past in my posts here, and in an OpenGL display framework (Papervision3D to the rescue), but now Adobe has just added a new dimension to all of thiscompetition in a very real sense against a developer, for example, bidding for a Small Running Shoe company. Do they choose Adobe Scene7 or do they choose a developer? Probably Adobe. A ran 8:52 for the 3200m in college, All SEC twice, and NCAA Division-1, 3rd place championship team, and had a good running career, which is why I brought up the example of a running shoe store. -r ** * *
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Actually the rumor was and may still be that Apple will buy Adobe. Now that would be good news to me. Steven Jobs is the one figure I've been following since I was a kid. Out of all the CEO's from the old Borland, to Microsoft, to Zinc (when AOL was a little DOS app.), he seems to be the only one to maintain a calm integrity and come out on top. You can see it when he gives a speech. Steve Ballmer when to school here in my home state of Michigan and Country Day Prep academy (unfortunately with my attorney when to school with him at the same time in my thing which is described not by me but by someone writing about the Federal Circuit of appeals; they went to school together in '72 '74) and Ballmer is still on the board. Can you ever imagine the cool and calm Jobs doing a dance like Steve Ballmer did - the contrast is amazing to anyone who's Scene7 or more Jobs' speeches. In any event, I put Apple over every other company -- that's just me -- may not be others, so it's all good, don't flame me. But I've spent nearly $5,000 on Adobe software and I'd like to return every bit of it if this chosen date by them of Sept. 11th Webinar proves to be what I think it is. I'm sure they're listening and may put a spin on it, but please, for your own sakes, do not trust any Corporations words, trust only the Actions they take. Take it from a 40 year old telling a 20-25 year old, please use your talents wisely and be careful who you dedicate yourself too. Ultimately, you should dedicate yourself to you and your family, if you have one, and take the route that will keep your investment in time and money safe. If your a 9-5'er, and I know a lot of them in this Big3 area, there are different kinds of risks, that have a lot less to do with Flex (usually those are the people that had bosses shell out the $20,000 or so, I forget the exact price, for FLEX 1.0). -r On Aug 30, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Paul Andrews wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C There is a different way to look at this. Right now, Flash is still just and on-line technology in the view of most people. Even though AIR does a lot of things, people still don't think it is very important. Similar problem that Microsoft had with VB being considered only a desktop tech and almost none taking it seriously as a server until Microsoft built server based applications. For me, Mass appeal of AIR is huge! It would mean that I can push Flex as a Desktop as well as a Web application. It becomes the replacement for VB and .net which then lets me solidify the build once/deploy everywhere that we have been talking about since the early Java days. I understand your concern that Adobe is doing similar things as you are however, Micorsoft, IBM, Oracle and most others also make a lot of applications that are similar to what their developers build also. The difference is customization as well as usage. I think if Adobe can produce good desktop and Web applications that we can showcase, we will be able to move the market away from Microsoft and Sun and increase the viability of using Flex in corporations. For me, at my company we were choosing between Silverlight, JavaFX, Doja and Flex. It was the fact that Microsoft had released Photoshop Express that helped to sell Flex. Scary. Microsoft just bought Adobe. Shriek! The development world is big and Adobe consulting doesn't come cheap, so I think there's those that can afford the cream of the crop no matter what the cost and then there's the rest of the world that have budgets, so there's always going to be room for everyone. Paul That is my .02. Robert Thompson wrote: I agree. Let's see what happens. Everyone here is an individual that can judge for themselves. I myself and quite concerned. I hope to be more informed than the Press Releases, White-paper and list of Clients already served by Adobe with a solution akin to the Hybrid or Flex Store and based on a high-performance platform. Great. But where does that FLEX mass-appeal product leave the developers. If Scene7.com did it themselves great. But Adobe has purchased them, the CEO of Adobe resigned about the same time, and now we have a new Adobe who is building a hybrid lightweight operating system in AIR that I have been very excited about in the past in my posts here, and in an OpenGL display framework (Papervision3D to the rescue), but now Adobe has just added a new dimension to all of thiscompetition in a very real sense against a developer, for example, bidding for a Small Running Shoe company. Do they choose Adobe Scene7 or do they choose a developer? Probably Adobe. A ran 8:52
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I agree, I doubt it would happen, and MS isn't very successful at buying out large companies due to perceived risk of getting into a Sherman Act type of thing again. I'd rather Apple not also, I'm abandoning Adobe unless I hear something different. If I can't get my money back from purchases, I'll just let it go, and do Audio Unit and NVIDIA CUDO programming on Mac OS X. I have an 8- core 3.4, 32GB, 4 bay 300GBx15krpm RAID0, dual 30 with NVIDIA 5500. The things that I'm working on as an accepted CUDO developer are amazing. I hope to encourage Papervision3D to add support for CUDO and to go out on their own and develop their own plug-in. NOW is the perfect TIME for Papervision3D to do this, not later. I'd be a happy camper then and hide 9 of my fingers for a second a send the photoship to Ablwme Corp. whom just a week ago I continiued to lovenot after what I've discovered in the past few days. -r On Aug 30, 2008, at 10:59 PM, Sherif Abdou wrote: Apple will not buy Adobe, Microsoft would not let it without a fight and $22.7 billion is a big chunk of change and that's just the market cap now add a premium and they are looking at $30billion, that's amost 20% of Apple's market cap. Also, I really don't want them to ruin everything, i dont wana end up saying IFlash , IFlex, IPhotoshop :) - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C Actually the rumor was and may still be that Apple will buy Adobe. Now that would be good news to me. Steven Jobs is the one figure I've been following since I was a kid. Out of all the CEO's from the old Borland, to Microsoft, to Zinc (when AOL was a little DOS app.), he seems to be the only one to maintain a calm integrity and come out on top. You can see it when he gives a speech. Steve Ballmer when to school here in my home state of Michigan and Country Day Prep academy (unfortunately with my attorney when to school with him at the same time in my thing which is described not by me but by someone writing about the Federal Circuit of appeals; they went to school together in '72 '74) and Ballmer is still on the board. Can you ever imagine the cool and calm Jobs doing a dance like Steve Ballmer did - the contrast is amazing to anyone who's Scene7 or more Jobs' speeches. In any event, I put Apple over every other company -- that's just me -- may not be others, so it's all good, don't flame me. But I've spent nearly $5,000 on Adobe software and I'd like to return every bit of it if this chosen date by them of Sept. 11th Webinar proves to be what I think it is. I'm sure they're listening and may put a spin on it, but please, for your own sakes, do not trust any Corporations words, trust only the Actions they take. Take it from a 40 year old telling a 20-25 year old, please use your talents wisely and be careful who you dedicate yourself too. Ultimately, you should dedicate yourself to you and your family, if you have one, and take the route that will keep your investment in time and money safe. If your a 9-5'er, and I know a lot of them in this Big3 area, there are different kinds of risks, that have a lot less to do with Flex (usually those are the people that had bosses shell out the $20,000 or so, I forget the exact price, for FLEX 1.0). -r On Aug 30, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Paul Andrews wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C There is a different way to look at this. Right now, Flash is still just and on-line technology in the view of most people. Even though AIR does a lot of things, people still don't think it is very important. Similar problem that Microsoft had with VB being considered only a desktop tech and almost none taking it seriously as a server until Microsoft built server based applications. For me, Mass appeal of AIR is huge! It would mean that I can push Flex as a Desktop as well as a Web application. It becomes the replacement for VB and .net which then lets me solidify the build once/deploy everywhere that we have been talking about since the early Java days. I understand your concern that Adobe is doing similar things as you are however, Micorsoft, IBM, Oracle and most others also make a lot of applications that are similar to what their developers build also. The difference is customization as well as usage. I think if Adobe can produce good desktop and Web applications that we can showcase, we will be able to move the market away from Microsoft and Sun and increase the viability of using Flex
Re: [flexcoders] Re: end/ Q: What is Flexcoders? A: All of us in this together who have purchased FLEX
I agree, put it to rest for this list. acquisition However, in the past 24 hours I've discovered information about the original acquisition of Scene7 and the future plans. It appears now they are inquiring of my corporate papers, though I'm not sure from what's floating around. I've nothing on my site except a commentary about this, for those who want to be wise about where they spend their time and money in the future, they' d be better with the W3C's Semantic Web 3.0 for any more see, www.activecommunity.com This is too much to bear, this, what appears to be, pretty big betrayal. Go to Scene7.com and look at their client list and examine how the program works. See for yourself. That's my last word on the subject on this list; I'll leave the rest for my site. This development is quite disturbing to me and to those in companies in the Big-3 area that I get my contracts in, who have spent tens of thousands of dollars on FLEX. -r On Aug 28, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Tim Hoff wrote: Cool Robert, Hopefully, we can just put this to rest. Thanks, -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the simple answer is we're all in this together and it's good to keep an eye out for each other. I haven't posted on the list for a very long time and have just been watching and examining Papervision3D which I love. So I post a concern, and a legitimate one, with no prior thread. Just an informative request for all to attend the Webinar. I'm sure Adobe will appreciate all [flexcoders] who are extremely relevent, to participate in the Webinar at www.Scene7.com on Thursday Sept. 11th. I'm also sure that it's in our best interest as [flexcoders], more appropriately ActionScript 3.0 coders who usually program in FLEX and Flash, to ask questions in our best interest. I like everyone here and have no qualms with anyone. I just don't like to be diss'ed when trying to lookout for the younger generation having seen some bad things in these patterns. -- end --
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Do you mean, LMBFAO ??? On Aug 29, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Tim Hoff wrote: LMAO
[flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C
OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Flash, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime First of all to the gentlemen suggesting I'm slamming the list. I am not and I take offense at that. Don't accuse me when I am responding to someone else. I posted only 2 original posts and they were in the best interest of the [flexcoders] community, some agreed, some did not. Do not accuse me of spamming unless you are from Adobe and moderating this list. Second of all, I've been continuing to research this, and have a simple answer to the Runtime Wars that are very real and goign on and are a part of the acquisition of Scene7 which DIRECTLY RELATES TO FLEXCODERS. Don't question, Mr. Person who accuses me of spamming, my motives when I'm trying to get to the bottom of this. Thirdly, OpenLazlo.org has also scene the shifting going on in the industry between Silverlight and Flex/Swf, Quicktime SDK, and others and has begun and open source solution. So there you have it. Do not accuse me and get aggressive without doing your own research. I'm in this to better our investments in time and money (for those who care about it). If you continue to defame me with an accusation of Spamming you better back it up with an Original Posting by me that is off topic. I am not Spamming, and if you feel I have, show me, and If it's true I will stop it. But I intend to get to the bottom of this legally or otherwise. EVERYONE BE AN INDIVIDUAL: Don't let anyone sucker you into thinking for you. Do your own research and look to OpenLaszlo.org which appears to be a noble effort recognizing the struggles going on in Adobe with the resignation of the CEO last Fall. [flexcoders] should be aware that they have multiple options and One blasted person trying to tape my mouth shut by claiming I'm spamming had better be from Adobe and not just another developer trying to cut-down free speech that IS ON TOPIC WITH THE FUTURE of our Investment in Time and Money. Do any of us want to waste 4 years only to find out it was for not? If you claim I'm spamming the list by providing a URL, my URL earlier posted was so I could present the research I'm doing w/o posting to this group and offending people like you who just get in the way. I like the earlier posting of the individual lady who said, let it live, or feed it. The comments thereafter were uneeded and more contrary to the policies of polite procedure of this group than trying to inform. others. I've been there, I've been screwed by a large company who did a very similar thing that is happening now; so if you don't want to listen, skip the posting and stop accusing me. -r
Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C
I've ready half a dozen articles on OpenLaszlo.org and I like it. It's another option. -r On Friday, August 29, 2008, at 02:59PM, Doug McCune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God forgive me, for I have sinned. I am responding to a thread I know I absolutely should not have replied to. Sorry for encouraging the ranting, I just couldn't not reply when this amazing email came into my inbox. Robert, I'll address each paragraph one at a time and tell you exactly why this message, as well as the ones you have been sending in the last day or so, are in fact complete spam and worthy of the comments you have received. On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Flash, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime Simply incorrect. OpenLaszlo has been around for years and has always targeted both the Flash runtime and AJAX. That's what it does and that's what it has always done. You write an app and you can target Flash or DHTML. There it no support for Silverlight, there is no support for Flex (what woudl that even mean?), I don't know what you are suggesting when you claim they support Quicktime but that doesn't even make sense. If you are going to make wild claims please back them up with references so we can verify. I also want to point out that this sentence and only one other short sentence later in this message (also completely factually incorrect) are the only two parts of this email that have anything at all to do with the subject of this thread. First of all to the gentlemen suggesting I'm slamming the list. I am not and I take offense at that. Don't accuse me when I am responding to someone else. I posted only 2 original posts and they were in the best interest of the [flexcoders] community, some agreed, some did not. Do not accuse me of spamming unless you are from Adobe and moderating this list. This has nothing to do with the topic you posted. If you have a gripe about someone's reply then reply to that. By creating a new thread and filling it with completely unrelated paragraphs like this you are in fact spamming the list. Second of all, I've been continuing to research this, and have a simple answer to the Runtime Wars that are very real and goign on and are a part of the acquisition of Scene7 which DIRECTLY RELATES TO FLEXCODERS. Don't question, Mr. Person who accuses me of spamming, my motives when I'm trying to get to the bottom of this. Completely unrelated to the subject you posted. Thirdly, OpenLazlo.org has also scene the shifting going on in the industry between Silverlight and Flex/Swf, Quicktime SDK, and others and has begun and open source solution. So there you have it. Do not accuse me and get aggressive without doing your own research. Again, OpenLazlo has been around for years, I assume most people on this list know about it. And even if not this post does not provide any new information whatsoever, and instead only provides misleading and factual incorrect information. I'm in this to better our investments in time and money (for those who care about it). If you continue to defame me with an accusation of Spamming you better back it up with an Original Posting by me that is off topic. I am not Spamming, and if you feel I have, show me, and If it's true I will stop it. But I intend to get to the bottom of this legally or otherwise. Fine, cheers, have fun. But this post does not have any information regarding the topic you posted, so please keep the personal monologues under wraps unless you are talking about something. You want an original posting that is off-topic? THIS ONE. EVERYONE BE AN INDIVIDUAL: Don't let anyone sucker you into thinking for you. Do your own research and look to OpenLaszlo.org which appears to be a noble effort recognizing the struggles going on in Adobe with the resignation of the CEO last Fall. Again, OpenLazlo is not new. It has nothing to do with the Adobe CEO at all. Do your own research before spamming with incorrect information please. [flexcoders] should be aware that they have multiple options and One blasted person trying to tape my mouth shut by claiming I'm spamming had better be from Adobe and not just another developer trying to cut-down free speech that IS ON TOPIC WITH THE FUTURE of our Investment in Time and Money. Do any of us want to waste 4 years only to find out it was for not? I don't think anyone is denying there are multiple options, we're just saying that you going off on long rants without any information of substance is getting annoying. If you claim I'm spamming the list by providing a URL, my URL earlier posted was so I could present the research I'm doing w/o posting to this group and offending people like you who just get in the way. No, we're claiming you're spamming the list by messages exactly like these. I like the earlier posting of the individual lady who said, let it live, or feed it. The comments
Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C
If you would just read your own comments you'd realize I'm posting objectively and angering just the few of you. I'm thankful to the posters the other day who said, essentially, if you're not interested don't read it. If your thankful to get some information to get to the root of the matter, look into it. I spent $1,777 on FLEX 3.0 with ILOG Elixr, and a lot more on Master Suite. So don't tell me I don't have the right to question the money I've spent and the time invested, and cut my losses, and simply make others aware that there is a War of the RIAs going on and if you care to look into it, here's an article on it, http://counternotions.com/2007/11/15/apple-runtime-answer-2/ I have asked questions about coding. But I'm also looking for the stability of the platform. I pushed very hard from someone to step up and create an OpenGL framework, and although I'm sure there are others, I was one of them, rooting for Adobe, and Macromedia developers like Matt Chotin and a few others appreciated it. Most of these responses are just anger letting outit's the nature of the game when posting a controversial warning about the coding your doing and it's value 2 years from now when nearly everything can be done (I estimate 80% of what is commonly done in eCommerce, will be done using Scene7.com, not a FLEX developer earning a living). Fyi, I made no claim that OpenLaszlo.org is a new effort, it's in version 4, but what is happening in version 4i is newer. Throw the chip on your shoulder at someone else; I'm trying to warn some of those out there that may blindly make the same mistakes I made in my 20's by blindly trusting Microsoft and believing being chosen for an event to showcase my product was a good thing, an endorsement. It wasn't. It was a precursor for a patent. Try to take the emotions out of this with the words like Crap and such. -r On Friday, August 29, 2008, at 03:01PM, Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug, I take your hand and walk through fiery hell in hopes the Mr. Person might be exorcised. Mike On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Doug McCune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God forgive me, for I have sinned. I am responding to a thread I know I absolutely should not have replied to. Sorry for encouraging the ranting, I just couldn't not reply when this amazing email came into my inbox. Robert, I'll address each paragraph one at a time and tell you exactly why this message, as well as the ones you have been sending in the last day or so, are in fact complete spam and worthy of the comments you have received. On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]plasmaphonic%40mac.com wrote: OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Flash, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime Simply incorrect. OpenLaszlo has been around for years and has always targeted both the Flash runtime and AJAX. That's what it does and that's what it has always done. You write an app and you can target Flash or DHTML. There it no support for Silverlight, there is no support for Flex (what woudl that even mean?), I don't know what you are suggesting when you claim they support Quicktime but that doesn't even make sense. If you are going to make wild claims please back them up with references so we can verify. I also want to point out that this sentence and only one other short sentence later in this message (also completely factually incorrect) are the only two parts of this email that have anything at all to do with the subject of this thread. First of all to the gentlemen suggesting I'm slamming the list. I am not and I take offense at that. Don't accuse me when I am responding to someone else. I posted only 2 original posts and they were in the best interest of the [flexcoders] community, some agreed, some did not. Do not accuse me of spamming unless you are from Adobe and moderating this list. This has nothing to do with the topic you posted. If you have a gripe about someone's reply then reply to that. By creating a new thread and filling it with completely unrelated paragraphs like this you are in fact spamming the list. Second of all, I've been continuing to research this, and have a simple answer to the Runtime Wars that are very real and goign on and are a part of the acquisition of Scene7 which DIRECTLY RELATES TO FLEXCODERS. Don't question, Mr. Person who accuses me of spamming, my motives when I'm trying to get to the bottom of this. Completely unrelated to the subject you posted. Thirdly, OpenLazlo.org has also scene the shifting going on in the industry between Silverlight and Flex/Swf, Quicktime SDK, and others and has begun and open source solution. So there you have it. Do not accuse me and get aggressive without doing your own research. Again, OpenLazlo has been around for years, I assume most people on this list know about it. And even if not this post does not provide any new information whatsoever
Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C
Stop making personal comments, okay. Stop painting me black...it IS about options. You'll find out if you take the blinders off. Just leave it alone and stop making it personal. On Aug 29, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Paul Andrews wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Cc: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C I've ready half a dozen articles on OpenLaszlo.org and I like it. It's another option. -r For goodness sake, this is flexcoders not 'the other options' list. We all know you're not happy with Adobe. Let it be, we can work things out for ourselves. Enjoy OpenLaszlo - go and tell them they've got it right and forget flexcoders.
Re: [flexcoders] Relevant and Helpful :: Scene7.com Webinar
Stopping making personal commentsI invited people to the Webinar to see for themselves and ask some questions to clear the air. If you're interested in personal comments and laughing while you self admittedly smoke weed, You said it, I'm a ho So there's nobody to blame but yourself, not your troll, or do they call those pimps. I don't do drugs...and if you want some, I hope the DEA has someone on this list. j'azz man musician you are the former not the latter. Lay it to rest, or get a lay, or go smoke or whatever it is you said you do Mr. I'mHo who still uses aint, which is ain't, which you still use apparently from the loss of brain cells from your self admitted smoking. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Jon Bradley wrote: On Aug 27, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Robert Thompson wrote: Will they go too far? Microsoft did. Do you own research on that if you wondered what happened in the 90's. There's plenty of it. The case is posted, Discovery, Judgement. I want some of what you're smoking. :P I don't see how this is relevant to anything really. Aint going to affect 99.9% of us and this whole thread is just trolling imho. - j
[flexcoders] Results of Direct Phone Call to Scene7.com
First of all, this is very relevant to the FLEX coders development community. I have just talked some another person at Scene7.com and the indication I seemed to have gotten is that there will be a resulting complication in the area of eCommerce and Product Catalog Development to the FLEX community. They are still working on it. But it all comes down to this. The Webinar should be attended by every FLEX developer out there. They should ask important questions such as: Will Adobe be servicing clients in Scene7.com using FLEX 3.0 technology, and could the possibility arise that an Adobe representative from Scene7.com bid directly against a Freelance, or Small Business Owner, who has spent a lot of development money on their products. For those out there who distaste my look into Scene7.com and it's effects on the FLEX and Flash CS3 community (a few mongrels) I'd ask that you please leave me alone and just let the others listen. - None of us would be here today w/o the timely innovation of FutureWave's FutureSplash control - It was extremely fast in installation and provided dramatic vector results at a time when ActiveX had serious security problems - None of us would be here today if it was not for Macromedia's timely acquisition of FutureWave's FutureSplash control, renamed FlashPlayer - Macromedia always kept their honor when it came to developers who spent their hard earned money on development tools - Macromedia always recognized the marketing power of tens of thousands of strands of reaching out of the Flash brand via developers (not even any money was spent on this; money was in fact earned; Macromedia recognized and respected this). - Adobe has now acquired Macromedia, and I have been excited about Adobe for a long time since then. And for the gentlemen that said I never add anything to this group, it was me who was shouting Watch out for SilverLight it's Microsoft's 2nd attempt at killing Flash Player - Please Adobe get an OpenGL solution in the works so DirectX does not out-power flash - However it happened we now have the GREAT Papervision3D.org, who just did it. - But now Scene7.com comes along. And it has far reaching implications to the FLEX and Flash development community who have spent a heck of a lot of money for development tools. - It is Adobe's right (to an extent) to use the free market place and bid or compete against Small Business owners, or other innovators more interested in contracts than the internal Corporate IT system. - However, it is also our right to ask serious questions about our future ability to bid in large contracts - And it is also right, to cut our losses and move towards more stable areas of development, and not naively market for a company that may potentially in the long run be competing against it's own developers (don't fool yourself into thinking it's not possible; I guess we'll all find out on Sept. 11th, Thursday, in the Webinar if the right questions are asked). I myself and taking a serious look at more SourceForge efforts, companies that may have a core mission not to leverage the developer community in order to eventually use that momentum built up over many years, for it's own profit (whatever company that may be). I do know one thing, There's a few CEO's out there who respect developers; but they are few and far between. Gates is a BASIC programmer telling Jobs to learn how to program, while Jobs is programming at the Mach OS level (hypocrisy). FutureWave and Macromedia were Very Honorable and I really am starting to wish Macromedia remained intact. The upcoming Webinar is far less about the new PDF SDK, and more about a simple catalog that is a pre-cursor to a eCommerce Platform. Perhaps it's time to start hosting with MacPro servers and looking more into QuickTime, if the worst is found to be true. We will all find out. Please don't ruin your future by trusting a large Corporation. I've read things in confidence that few have, and it's very disturbing. -r
Re: [flexcoders] Results of Direct Phone Call to Scene7.com
I agree on the iPhone issue, I'd never go with ATT either because they are the ultimate Greed. But the iPhone pricing thing I think was a mistake. Apple does not personify greed at all to me -- Quality. I have both MacPro and a DELL, develop in XCode and Vista for FLEX and Flash CS3. The quality of Apple is far superior..but I'll leave it at that. But I do agree they should not have picked ATT as a carrier for phone service. The 80's and 90's were full of ramped up phone bills. I contracted a VoIP that involved the Kennedy Space center, and almost made it into the VoIP arena, but was a little too late. -r On Aug 28, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Ralf Bokelberg wrote: Perhaps it's time to start hosting with MacPro servers and looking more into QuickTime, if the worst is found to be true. Hm. I always found to be Apple the personified greed. For example IPhone developers are not even allowed to talk to each other. This is just plain ridicilous, as is your whole claim. I'd check the tap, maybe somebody put some paranoia drug into it? Cheers, Ralf.
Re: [flexcoders] Thanks
Thanks Guy. It's nice to know someone recognizes I have no self-interest in this. I've been involved with the FutureSplash now Flash Player since it's beginnings. I just want Adobe to keep it cool with us rooting for them, they should also support us. No crusades here; just want to make sure Adobe does not fall victim to what we all as human being can, Power. And the Flash Player is now more powerful in an abstract since than even Windows was in the 90's. I'll leave it all at that. -r On Aug 28, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Guy Morton wrote: Hi Robert I agree that there is something vaguely distasteful about Adobe becoming a competitor to its developers (which Scene7 seems to be), however I also doubt that this is likely in the foreseeable future to have a significant impact on any of us. However, it is definitely worth letting Adobe know that we are watching closely and that developer loyalty is earned, not a given. Although this list is primarily to discuss code, I think it's valid to have an occasional post like this that discusses Flex's place in the market relative to competing products, as we are all making an investment in this technology and therefore have a stake in its success. Given the volume of email this list generates, I think the occasional thread like this should be tolerated. I don't like to see people being howled down by a vocal few who think they know what's best for the silent majority and I don't see any need to be rude to anyone by using expressions that could be interpreted as personal insults. I also think if you start a thread like this you need to be mindful that it will be seen as off-topic by many on the list and so should be kept brief and to the point. When your topic becomes a personal crusade it's time to take it off-list. Guy On 29/08/2008, at 6:18 AM, Robert Thompson wrote: First of all, this is very relevant to the FLEX coders development community.
[flexcoders] end/ Q: What is Flexcoders? A: All of us in this together who have purchased FLEX
I think the simple answer is we're all in this together and it's good to keep an eye out for each other. I haven't posted on the list for a very long time and have just been watching and examining Papervision3D which I love. So I post a concern, and a legitimate one, with no prior thread. Just an informative request for all to attend the Webinar. I'm sure Adobe will appreciate all [flexcoders] who are extremely relevent, to participate in the Webinar at www.Scene7.com on Thursday Sept. 11th. I'm also sure that it's in our best interest as [flexcoders], more appropriately ActionScript 3.0 coders who usually program in FLEX and Flash, to ask questions in our best interest. I like everyone here and have no qualms with anyone. I just don't like to be diss'ed when trying to lookout for the younger generation having seen some bad things in these patterns. -- end --
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Will Scene 7 turn Adobe into a competitor of it's ISVs like Microsoft ???
Sorry you took it that way. I guess we'll have to wait and see how Scene7.com pans out. As for the word j'offs / the post I replied to appeared to be a complaint against Josh for the amount of cursing going on. The subject is not Me, Josh or you TH, it's about Scene7.com and it's implications. That's worthy of mention. Getting personal is what is not worth any substance. -r On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Tim Hoff wrote: Don't worry about it Doug. I haven't read one post from this guy that offered anything useful or positive; which is a shame considering the amout of experience that he claims to have. On the one hand he admonishes you for being sarcastic, while at the same time his own post is riddled with sarcasm. Better just to ignore j'offs like this. -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Doug McCune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ummm, looks like I got served On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oh, btw, you may want to take out the gum in your mouth before posting. It alleviates the um effect quite nicely. No need for that, it's a sarcastic lead-in. j'off (signing off) -r On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Doug McCune wrote: ummm, you're a flex consultant afraid of not having work because of adobe? are you looking at the same market I am? The adobe is cannibalizing it's user base argument might hold a little water when it comes to the products they're developing (pshop express, buzzword, etc). But god knows there's more Flex consulting work out there than anyone knows what to do with. Try crying wolf once any semblance of a problem emerges. And has someone really fired you because they started using scene 7? really? Doug On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]plasmaphonic%40mac.com wrote: Although I'll hold my breath until more and more info. is released into the public. I'm a little concerned that Adobe is starting to get the Take over the world vision with Scene 7.0 They appear to be heading towards a consulting type service (as well as selling to us developers) where people can create FLEX like sites and experiences that were the hope and promise of developers to capitalize on buy spending, in my case, $1,777 on the FLEX 3.0 with ILOG Elixr components. I have many projects planned in this area. But when will come the day when someone says, Oh, I just purchase Adobe Scene 7.0, we don't need to contract you any longer. If this turns out to be the case, it will ultimately result in the same Entropy demise of IBM, which was followed by Microsoft, and which I hope Adobe does not plan to fall into. Why would a developer dedicate years of his life to APIs from Adobe when, ultimately, the way things are turning out, why don't we just get down to the GPU level an 'C' Program NVIDIA CUDO to do the ultimate in 3-4 years time, rather than let someone sucker us into purchasing products, very expensive ones, only to turn and compete with us. Things are not looking pretty and it appears to me that Open Source, ala, Blender instead of Maya, CUDO and Apache SOAP instead of Coldfusion, and DHTML will perhaps some new submissions to the W3C -- perhaps that's the new message us developers need to listen to. As Henry Rollins says in his great song Liar, Please, I'm sorry, just give me anther chanceAh, ha, ha, ha, ha, oo.SUCKER, Sucker.a, I like it (the money)I FEEL GOOD. Do you feel good Adobe? Where do you want to go today? I'll follow thisif this heads where I think it is, I will put out the message. -r
Re: [flexcoders] Will Scene 7 turn Adobe into a competitor of it's ISVs like Microsoft ???
I'm not looking for any jobs, nor am I looking to support Microsoft. But FutureWave (inventors of FutureSplash which became Flash under Macromedia) was an honorable corporation. So was Macromedia - very true to their developers and supporting them. I have been shouting Hurray for Adobe for 3 years now; ask Matt Chotin. But Scene7.com has different complications to the FLEX developer community. I'm just noting it as something for every FLEX developer who's spent the money on the product to think about. TH knows nothing about me, and my intentions; which are simply for FLEX and Flash CS3 developers to keep an eye on this. TH's posting had no substance and I'd ask him to stop personally insulting me.j'off doesn't mean what he thinks it means and says more about what's in his mind than what I meant. -r On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Josh McDonald wrote: :) But I guess I can see his point, I mean there aren't any job openings for developers on the Microsoft platforms any more, right? On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Doug McCune [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: ummm, looks like I got served -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [flexcoders] Will Scene 7 turn Adobe into a competitor of it's ISVs like Microsoft ???
No I just think, the ummm indicated you might have taken my intent wrongly. I'm not trying to bash anyone on the list, and I'm not trying to bash Adobe. I am very concerned about Scene7.com though. Again, let's all be cool and see how it pans out but PLEASE for OUR own sakes keep an eye on it. It appears to be the first major blur in the line between a Consumer Computer User and a Professional Software Developer product. One that could potentially undermine (not to the extent that the reply to my post presumed) but at least to some significant extent, what FLEX developers plan to do. I'm not a Microsofty I'm not against Adobe I am concerned about where Scene7.com is headed. Okay...stop personalizing this from this point forward and let's all try to focus on Scene7.com as either good or bad for the FLEX developer community. The Webinar is tommorrow I believe and the Whitepaper by the CEO of that division is published, so read it for yourself. Developers young and experienced alike should be concerned about the efforts they put into technology platforms, and how the results of their work can be compromised (in Microsoft's case well documented in the 1990's) to a great extent. Macromedia was a great company, so was FutureWave, both innovative, especially FutureWave in their light-weight plug-in which started this all off in 1995 and 1996. And Adobe seems to be a great company, but I'm holding neutral now that I've looked into Scene7.com more and I will stay neutral and look into this aggressively (not as in physical aggression but as in; what is it's ultimate purpose and how does it perhaps clash with FLEX; why the new division, why the new site). We'll all see. In the end, if I'm wrong in 2 years, feel free to Flame me. If I'm right, well then, it's bad for all of us. -r On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:07 PM, Doug McCune wrote: ummm, looks like I got served On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Oh, btw, you may want to take out the gum in your mouth before posting. It alleviates the um effect quite nicely. No need for that, it's a sarcastic lead-in. j'off (signing off) -r On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Doug McCune wrote: ummm, you're a flex consultant afraid of not having work because of adobe? are you looking at the same market I am? The adobe is cannibalizing it's user base argument might hold a little water when it comes to the products they're developing (pshop express, buzzword, etc). But god knows there's more Flex consulting work out there than anyone knows what to do with. Try crying wolf once any semblance of a problem emerges. And has someone really fired you because they started using scene 7? really? Doug On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I'll hold my breath until more and more info. is released into the public. I'm a little concerned that Adobe is starting to get the Take over the world vision with Scene 7.0 They appear to be heading towards a consulting type service (as well as selling to us developers) where people can create FLEX like sites and experiences that were the hope and promise of developers to capitalize on buy spending, in my case, $1,777 on the FLEX 3.0 with ILOG Elixr components. I have many projects planned in this area. But when will come the day when someone says, Oh, I just purchase Adobe Scene 7.0, we don't need to contract you any longer. If this turns out to be the case, it will ultimately result in the same Entropy demise of IBM, which was followed by Microsoft, and which I hope Adobe does not plan to fall into. Why would a developer dedicate years of his life to APIs from Adobe when, ultimately, the way things are turning out, why don't we just get down to the GPU level an 'C' Program NVIDIA CUDO to do the ultimate in 3-4 years time, rather than let someone sucker us into purchasing products, very expensive ones, only to turn and compete with us. Things are not looking pretty and it appears to me that Open Source, ala, Blender instead of Maya, CUDO and Apache SOAP instead of Coldfusion, and DHTML will perhaps some new submissions to the W3C -- perhaps that's the new message us developers need to listen to. As Henry Rollins says in his great song Liar, Please, I'm sorry, just give me anther chanceAh, ha, ha, ha, ha, oo.SUCKER, Sucker.a, I like it (the money)I FEEL GOOD. Do you feel good Adobe? Where do you want to go today? I'll follow thisif this heads where I think it is, I will put out the message. -r
[flexcoders] Whitepaper and Webinar -- Please read the Scene7.com posts Objectively
There is no harm meant in my postings. I'm posting so we are all aware of what may be going on with Scene7.com and it's implications to the FLEX and Flash CS3 development community. I'm a freelance developer, not with a large corporation. The Whitepaper is available on www.Scene7.com and I highly recommend posting any concerns and questions to the e-mail address of the CEO in there. I also recommend attending the Webinar on the subject tommorow (I believe it's Thursday). -r
Re: [flexcoders] Whitepaper and Webinar -- Please read the Scene7.com posts Objectively
Looks like my thoughts have been confirmed, by someone. Selling development tools and having a developer community is one of the best kept secrets in the Evangelist style of Marketing. The first time a FLEX developer bids on a project and the client tells them they are using Adobe Scene7, that's when the issues begin, and once they begin, they will get worse. Prior to the acquisition of Macromedia, Adobe was a fairly even player with Photoshop, Illustrator and PDF, primarily and imaging and document firm. Now, if Scene7.com does what I think it will be doing, and as you seem to have confirmed below, it is going to take the momentum of the Flash Player, begun by FutureWave Technologies (an honorable group), Macromedia (an honorable group), and take that into the Developer Arena Capitalizing on the all the wide-spread knowledge that Flash and more recently FLEX developers have provided for them. Shortage of work is a relative term. Ask any developer who has bid on eLance.com and you'll understand the dynamics of bidding against others for contracts. If it turns out that Adobe begins to take the momentum achieved by it's predecessors, namely it's acquisitions (which is has a right to), and it's developers (which, if Scene7.com turns out to be as you describe and I believe it will), then it is an ETHICAL ISSUE that will not go away, and I'm giving fair-warning to any developer out there (and yes, I do have the experience I've said I do to the gentleman out there that questioned that). I've been through thousands of pages of an unamed companies documents to find out how they really work, and how they really look at Developers. Adobe appears to be on that same road, and the more signs I see of it, the more I will support other efforts. For those inclined to be offended easily, I'd ask not to shout against me or anyone else giving an opinion, but For your own sakes, keep an eye on ACTIONS not WORDS. You'd be surprised what larger corporations, especially ones that we all know the name of [not Adobe] that gained their momentum on the backs of the developer community, only to turn against them with hidden DLL API's, hacks against licensed technology to make it perform poorly under their platform, etc. (again this is not Adobe as I just said). However, when a Consumer Software company, which Adobe was, starts changing Acrobat to have an SDK (that's their right) and but then goes beyond that to provide a far better Plug-in, only made possible by the light weight plug-in efforts of FutureWave, and for the past few years gaining momentum on the development efforts and expensive purchases of development tools ; when that line is blurred it will ultimately turn out bad for the developer. For the gentleman who said shortage of jobs again, that's not the issue as I just explained in eLance.com / The issue is that people will Buy and will Trust Adobe more than a developer or even a small development firm when it comes to bidding online. Local efforts are different. If the below turns out to be true of FLEX vs. Scene7.com (a potential guise of a Consumer mid-level Product Manager), then the FLEX, and more especially the ActionScript component and development community as a while since Macromedia's aquisition will have at that point been betrayed and yes, at that point, or any sign of it (in the form of Actions, not Promises, do not trust the promises of a large Corp. unless you've tried them true), if there is that sign or signs, then yes it's time to get on with it and get out and support more honorable people like Apple and Steve Jobs. At this point I wish Macromedia never sold to Adobe.com / This isn't looking pretty for the FLEX community. I'll certainly keep my Lexis- Nexis handy and press contacts (and in several years, if it turns bad, the FTC and DOJ). -r On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Battershall, Jeff wrote: At this point, Adobe is not likely to abandon Scene7 due to developer concerns. The way I see it, Adobe has been taking on consulting engagements for some time, just like IBM does, and I think having an offering of best of breed off-the-shelf solutions fits in well with that strategy. I don't think it interferes with the prosperity of Adobe solution providers or individual developers, in fact having such solutions available may make more possible to deliver on projects by not having to reinvent functionality. It is what it is and there's no shortage of work, so let's get on with it. Jeff -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:05 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Whitepaper and Webinar -- Please read the Scene7.com posts Objectively There is no harm meant in my postings. I'm posting so we are all aware of what may
Re: [flexcoders] Whitepaper and Webinar -- Please read the Scene7.com posts Objectively
Leave it alone for this group for the time being yes. Leave it alone for the coming months and years, no. Just look at the LAND's END example at www.Scene7.com when you try out the Trial. This is Adobe competing against the developers it sells to. This is not about me, it's about Ear-Marking what I feel could be an unethical step in the wrong direction. Don't let the PDF paper page flipper fool you. This is about FLEX solutions. And no, none of this would have been possible if it weren't for the extremely talented developers at FutureWave who managed to create a plug-in FutureSplash which became Flash, that was so small that not even slow (very slow) connections noticed anything going on except a Rich Vector Like experience. The first to use it: MSN.com They quickly stopped using it when they realized the implications. FLEX 1.0 - Do you remember what it cost? Do you know how many people are extremely outraged they spent that kind of money. But those are not my concerns, my concerns are for THIS Community of FLEX developers, or someone coming out of college and deciding on what platform to program on. Scene7.com is an indication that a developer, young and fresh out of college, should be wary of investing their time in Adobe if they begin to take potential FLEX contracts away from the Developers they charge nearly $2,000 to purchase FLEX tools from. You keep trying to personalize this as it's up to me / of course it is igit. I'm not concerned about me, I'm concerned about the industry. The little guy innovates (FutureWave; and make no doubt about it, Adobe could not have done this in the mid 90's and they did not; Macromedia, honorably improved the interface; Adobe purchases it, charges an arm and a leg for the 1st version, gets more reasonable, and now is taking a huge step in a direction that could lead to a Popular Product that all will use to create the eCommmerce catalogs -- YES, THAT IS THEIR RIGHTbut do you want to spend all this time waiting for that to happen?). Additionally the FTC looks into practices like this. Riding the backs both monetarily and market growth wise of a large community of developers and then, virtually taking the Flash Player, and leveraging it in a way of dominance where extremely high levels of revenue (the best contracts 50k and greater) go to Adobe, where it's their platform for Scene7.com or their Consulting. Take a lesson in history, economics, and corporate behavioror put blinders on and let's see what happens. -r On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Battershall, Jeff wrote: If Adobe had not acquired Macromedia, Flex would not be what it is today, becuase if you haven't noticed, a whole bunch of money got thrown at it to evolve the framework, not to mention the Flash Player itself. I think there's more than enough opportunity to create solutions that may compete with any Adobe ISV-style offerings, be it on price or what-have-you. It is completely up to you whether you choose to compete with their solutions. As far as competition, contracts, bidding and all the rest - so what else is new? It's an assumed risk of doing business! I think its time to leave this alone because frankly I don't see the ROI in this discussion. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:14 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Whitepaper and Webinar -- Please read the Scene7.com posts Objectively Looks like my thoughts have been confirmed, by someone. Selling development tools and having a developer community is one of the best kept secrets in the Evangelist style of Marketing. The first time a FLEX developer bids on a project and the client tells them they are using Adobe Scene7, that's when the issues begin, and once they begin, they will get worse. Prior to the acquisition of Macromedia, Adobe was a fairly even player with Photoshop, Illustrator and PDF, primarily and imaging and document firm. Now, if Scene7.com does what I think it will be doing, and as you seem to have confirmed below, it is going to take the momentum of the Flash Player, begun by FutureWave Technologies (an honorable group), Macromedia (an honorable group), and take that into the Developer Arena Capitalizing on the all the wide-spread knowledge that Flash and more recently FLEX developers have provided for them. Shortage of work is a relative term. Ask any developer who has bid on eLance.com and you'll understand the dynamics of bidding against others for contracts. If it turns out that Adobe begins to take the momentum achieved by it's predecessors, namely it's acquisitions (which is has a right to), and it's developers (which, if Scene7.com turns out to be as you describe and I believe it will), then it is an ETHICAL ISSUE
Re: [flexcoders] September 11th WEBINAR by SCENE7.com on solutions like LAND's END STORE
I'm not interested in any such thing but that is a nice joke (your mentioning of a class action lawsuit but I will be looking out for the community for no interest other than the younger up and coming developers). I'm too interested in my Musicology research to get into that kind of business. I developed an illness in 2001 that causes extreme ringing in my ears and I've been studying it since (see Oliver Sacks Stories of Music and the Brain - my Minor is in Cognitive Science, BsCompSci). But follow this and inform the FTC I certainly will. I'm older now. You have a tendency as you get older to care a little more about the people coming up and graduating. You care about them not making any mistakes and not trusting Words when it's Actions of Larger companies that matter. Make no doubt about it, Adobe does not appear to me at this point like the same kind of developer group dynamic as Macromedia or for that matter, the company that changed the last 10 years in computing the most: FutureWave. Their component was I believe 10k bytes at the time and delivered amazing cell-based animation graphics. Macromedia ramped up programming ActionScript quit well. Adobe bought them and I was very very happy in the beginning. Then as I talked to other FLEX 1.0 purchasers I was wondering a few things. Now with Scene7.com / I'm pretty concerned about a few things. About the money I've spent (about $3,000), about the time I've taken, thinking that this is a great opportunity for a new age in eCommerce. But someone in the organization has a major growth on their minds and that's not just in the marketplace but in their pocketbooks, and at the cost of all the momentum achieved by thousands upon thousands of developers. Btw, There is no place here for what you, and I understand it's a joke class action suit there's no grounds. None. But there is a potential problem around the corner and all you 20-25 year olds should really think about it hard. It seems the safest place to stay after all is with the W3C and XHTML and well chosen protocols. I'm not so sure about Adobe anymore; but we'll find out in the coming months. The Webinar by the way is in September. It is on a Thursday, but I was wrong about it being tommorrow. Hopefully the CEO who's whitepaper e-mail bounces (surprise, of course it would), can explain how he will not betray FLEX and Flash CS3 developers with a Bush- Whacked Free Markets for All of us (well those of us in the club). Adobe is clearly headed towards providing high-end eCommerce solutions that were the hope of all FLEX and Dreamweaver developers, and it appears to me they are headed into the Services industry to. That's where the FTC comes in, and if it turns out like that, I certainly won't let it pass without letting someone know. I certainly have no plans for a law suit of any kind in my future, unless it's to protect a family member or something. But what Adobe is doing needs to be cleared up...those who want to be led like a cow to the slaughter (of your invested time into a platform let alone the money for the tools), that's their choice. -r On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Doug McCune wrote: Well, as long as we've got public defenders like yourself who will contact the Department of Justice, I feel safe. Let's do a class action lawsuit for buzzword and photoshop express while we're at it. [sorry, sometimes I just can't help poking threads that I know I should just let die] Doug On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like my thoughts have been confirmed, by someone. Selling development tools and having a developer community is one of the best kept secrets in the Evangelist style of Marketing. The first time a FLEX developer bids on a project and the client tells them they are using Adobe Scene7, that's when the issues begin, and once they begin, they will get worse. Prior to the acquisition of Macromedia, Adobe was a fairly even player with Photoshop, Illustrator and PDF, primarily and imaging and document firm. Now, if Scene7.com does what I think it will be doing, and as you seem to have confirmed below, it is going to take the momentum of the Flash Player, begun by FutureWave Technologies (an honorable group), Macromedia (an honorable group), and take that into the Developer Arena Capitalizing on the all the wide-spread knowledge that Flash and more recently FLEX developers have provided for them. Shortage of work is a relative term. Ask any developer who has bid on eLance.com and you'll understand the dynamics of bidding against others for contracts. If it turns out that Adobe begins to take the momentum achieved by it's predecessors, namely it's acquisitions (which is has a right to), and it's developers (which, if Scene7.com turns out to be as you describe and I believe
Re: [flexcoders] Whitepaper and Webinar -- Please read the Scene7.com posts Objectively
As Adam Sandler would say, and I'll just quote him to be kind, Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha..Shut up. :-) That Arm may atrophy for all we know; develop some kind of, h (sorry my mouth got stuck from your gum), cancer or disease? Thought I'd return a joke with a joke (but take the other parts seriously unless your a j'off, um, sorry java officially certified developer). -r On Aug 27, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Douglas Knudsen wrote: At least it appears you are not chewing gum whilst, ummm, typing now. Someone care to tell Robert that Adobe has a consulting arm? Oddly enough its called Adobe Consulting and its not really a spring pup either. ..exit stage left! DK On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Doug McCune [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Well, as long as we've got public defenders like yourself who will contact the Department of Justice, I feel safe. Let's do a class action lawsuit for buzzword and photoshop express while we're at it. [sorry, sometimes I just can't help poking threads that I know I should just let die] Doug On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like my thoughts have been confirmed, by someone. Selling development tools and having a developer community is one of the best kept secrets in the Evangelist style of Marketing. The first time a FLEX developer bids on a project and the client tells them they are using Adobe Scene7, that's when the issues begin, and once they begin, they will get worse. Prior to the acquisition of Macromedia, Adobe was a fairly even player with Photoshop, Illustrator and PDF, primarily and imaging and document firm. Now, if Scene7.com does what I think it will be doing, and as you seem to have confirmed below, it is going to take the momentum of the Flash Player, begun by FutureWave Technologies (an honorable group), Macromedia (an honorable group), and take that into the Developer Arena Capitalizing on the all the wide-spread knowledge that Flash and more recently FLEX developers have provided for them. Shortage of work is a relative term. Ask any developer who has bid on eLance.com and you'll understand the dynamics of bidding against others for contracts. If it turns out that Adobe begins to take the momentum achieved by it's predecessors, namely it's acquisitions (which is has a right to), and it's developers (which, if Scene7.com turns out to be as you describe and I believe it will), then it is an ETHICAL ISSUE that will not go away, and I'm giving fair-warning to any developer out there (and yes, I do have the experience I've said I do to the gentleman out there that questioned that). I've been through thousands of pages of an unamed companies documents to find out how they really work, and how they really look at Developers. Adobe appears to be on that same road, and the more signs I see of it, the more I will support other efforts. For those inclined to be offended easily, I'd ask not to shout against me or anyone else giving an opinion, but For your own sakes, keep an eye on ACTIONS not WORDS. You'd be surprised what larger corporations, especially ones that we all know the name of [not Adobe] that gained their momentum on the backs of the developer community, only to turn against them with hidden DLL API's, hacks against licensed technology to make it perform poorly under their platform, etc. (again this is not Adobe as I just said). However, when a Consumer Software company, which Adobe was, starts changing Acrobat to have an SDK (that's their right) and but then goes beyond that to provide a far better Plug-in, only made possible by the light weight plug-in efforts of FutureWave, and for the past few years gaining momentum on the development efforts and expensive purchases of development tools ; when that line is blurred it will ultimately turn out bad for the developer. For the gentleman who said shortage of jobs again, that's not the issue as I just explained in eLance.com / The issue is that people will Buy and will Trust Adobe more than a developer or even a small development firm when it comes to bidding online. Local efforts are different. If the below turns out to be true of FLEX vs. Scene7.com (a potential guise of a Consumer mid-level Product Manager), then the FLEX, and more especially the ActionScript component and development community as a while since Macromedia's aquisition will have at that point been betrayed and yes, at that point, or any sign of it (in the form of Actions, not Promises, do not trust the promises of a large Corp. unless you've tried them true), if there is that sign or signs, then yes it's time to get on with it and get out and support more honorable people like Apple and Steve Jobs. At this point I wish Macromedia never sold to Adobe.com / This isn't looking pretty for the FLEX community. I'll certainly keep my Lexis
[flexcoders] Scene7.com Webinar on 9/11/08, ask some serious questions, examine answers seriously, see if they're answered with depth
See Scene7.com Webinar on 9/11/08, ask some serious questions, examine answers seriously, see if they're answered with depth I won't discuss Microsoft because of certain circumstances, but I'll tell you there's danger in the upper echelons, things you have no idea of. As far as Adobe, they are not Microsoft, but, I'll leave it at this: Everyone go to www.Scene7.com and read the Whitepaper Everyone try out the Trial, especially the LAND's END trial Everyone register for the Webinar And everyone write the CEO (e-mail listed at the end of the Webinar) about the future of FLEX and the Future of Scene7, particularly, not for PDF solutions, but for Flash and FLEX oriented solutions. Save what he tells you. See how things actually pan out in the coming months if you are a free- lancer or a fresh graduate out of college willing to start a Small Business for Development. Then find out if it's worth the money and time you invest in Adobe, given their plans for Scene7.com Find out for yourself. My recommendation, continue as is, but keep your eyes open, and my personal opinion is these new events have caused me to trust Adobe Far Less than Macromedia. They have to compete, but not against their own developers. Will they go too far? Microsoft did. Do you own research on that if you wondered what happened in the 90's. There's plenty of it. The case is posted, Discovery, Judgement. Adobe is nowhere near there yet, but I see the first sign of it in Scene7.com As an analogy, a Store selling Generic brands places them side by side with Brand Names. What they don't do is Sell their Generic Name in Shelf Set Prominence and put a people they sell shelf space to way-way-way in the back in a crowded far reaching place. -r On Aug 27, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Howard Fore wrote: At the risk of fanning the flames (and flamers), what exactly do you think has happened in the MS developer world? It seems to me that there are plenty of jobs using MS-centric technologies. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Developers young and experienced alike should be concerned about the efforts they put into technology platforms, and how the results of their work can be compromised (in Microsoft's case well documented in the 1990's) to a great extent. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood
[flexcoders] Will Scene 7 turn Adobe into a competitor of it's ISVs like Microsoft ???
Although I'll hold my breath until more and more info. is released into the public. I'm a little concerned that Adobe is starting to get the Take over the world vision with Scene 7.0 They appear to be heading towards a consulting type service (as well as selling to us developers) where people can create FLEX like sites and experiences that were the hope and promise of developers to capitalize on buy spending, in my case, $1,777 on the FLEX 3.0 with ILOG Elixr components. I have many projects planned in this area. But when will come the day when someone says, Oh, I just purchase Adobe Scene 7.0, we don't need to contract you any longer. If this turns out to be the case, it will ultimately result in the same Entropy demise of IBM, which was followed by Microsoft, and which I hope Adobe does not plan to fall into. Why would a developer dedicate years of his life to APIs from Adobe when, ultimately, the way things are turning out, why don't we just get down to the GPU level an 'C' Program NVIDIA CUDO to do the ultimate in 3-4 years time, rather than let someone sucker us into purchasing products, very expensive ones, only to turn and compete with us. Things are not looking pretty and it appears to me that Open Source, ala, Blender instead of Maya, CUDO and Apache SOAP instead of Coldfusion, and DHTML will perhaps some new submissions to the W3C -- perhaps that's the new message us developers need to listen to. As Henry Rollins says in his great song Liar, Please, I'm sorry, just give me anther chanceAh, ha, ha, ha, ha, oo.SUCKER, Sucker.a, I like it (the money)I FEEL GOOD. Do you feel good Adobe? Where do you want to go today? I'll follow thisif this heads where I think it is, I will put out the message. -r
Re: [flexcoders] Will Scene 7 turn Adobe into a competitor of it's ISVs like Microsoft ???
Nobody has fired me Mr. Hannibal. I'm a freelance developer. I'm just seeing signs of some things that appeared before with MS as the line between applications and developer tools blurred in the 90's and had bad results. I'm not considering the impact of this yet, I'm trying to recognize some potential warning signs and look into it. And Fyi, igit, I just got off the phone with them, Robert (also my name) from Scene7 and he was quite kind. And may I remind you that I noted below that a reserve full judgement until I look fully into this. So, if you please, end it at that. It's simply something people should be aware of. I ask you kindly not to turn this into a stupid argument when I'm stating some very real things I've seen happen in the industry and time will tell where this is headed. This has nothing to do with anyone getting fired; it has to do with future implications. Leave it at that, j'off (signing off for now :) -r On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Doug McCune wrote: ummm, you're a flex consultant afraid of not having work because of adobe? are you looking at the same market I am? The adobe is cannibalizing it's user base argument might hold a little water when it comes to the products they're developing (pshop express, buzzword, etc). But god knows there's more Flex consulting work out there than anyone knows what to do with. Try crying wolf once any semblance of a problem emerges. And has someone really fired you because they started using scene 7? really? Doug On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I'll hold my breath until more and more info. is released into the public. I'm a little concerned that Adobe is starting to get the Take over the world vision with Scene 7.0 They appear to be heading towards a consulting type service (as well as selling to us developers) where people can create FLEX like sites and experiences that were the hope and promise of developers to capitalize on buy spending, in my case, $1,777 on the FLEX 3.0 with ILOG Elixr components. I have many projects planned in this area. But when will come the day when someone says, Oh, I just purchase Adobe Scene 7.0, we don't need to contract you any longer. If this turns out to be the case, it will ultimately result in the same Entropy demise of IBM, which was followed by Microsoft, and which I hope Adobe does not plan to fall into. Why would a developer dedicate years of his life to APIs from Adobe when, ultimately, the way things are turning out, why don't we just get down to the GPU level an 'C' Program NVIDIA CUDO to do the ultimate in 3-4 years time, rather than let someone sucker us into purchasing products, very expensive ones, only to turn and compete with us. Things are not looking pretty and it appears to me that Open Source, ala, Blender instead of Maya, CUDO and Apache SOAP instead of Coldfusion, and DHTML will perhaps some new submissions to the W3C -- perhaps that's the new message us developers need to listen to. As Henry Rollins says in his great song Liar, Please, I'm sorry, just give me anther chanceAh, ha, ha, ha, ha, oo.SUCKER, Sucker.a, I like it (the money)I FEEL GOOD. Do you feel good Adobe? Where do you want to go today? I'll follow thisif this heads where I think it is, I will put out the message. -r
Re: [flexcoders] Will Scene 7 turn Adobe into a competitor of it's ISVs like Microsoft ???
Oh, btw, you may want to take out the gum in your mouth before posting. It alleviates the um effect quite nicely. No need for that, it's a sarcastic lead-in. j'off (signing off) -r On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Doug McCune wrote: ummm, you're a flex consultant afraid of not having work because of adobe? are you looking at the same market I am? The adobe is cannibalizing it's user base argument might hold a little water when it comes to the products they're developing (pshop express, buzzword, etc). But god knows there's more Flex consulting work out there than anyone knows what to do with. Try crying wolf once any semblance of a problem emerges. And has someone really fired you because they started using scene 7? really? Doug On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I'll hold my breath until more and more info. is released into the public. I'm a little concerned that Adobe is starting to get the Take over the world vision with Scene 7.0 They appear to be heading towards a consulting type service (as well as selling to us developers) where people can create FLEX like sites and experiences that were the hope and promise of developers to capitalize on buy spending, in my case, $1,777 on the FLEX 3.0 with ILOG Elixr components. I have many projects planned in this area. But when will come the day when someone says, Oh, I just purchase Adobe Scene 7.0, we don't need to contract you any longer. If this turns out to be the case, it will ultimately result in the same Entropy demise of IBM, which was followed by Microsoft, and which I hope Adobe does not plan to fall into. Why would a developer dedicate years of his life to APIs from Adobe when, ultimately, the way things are turning out, why don't we just get down to the GPU level an 'C' Program NVIDIA CUDO to do the ultimate in 3-4 years time, rather than let someone sucker us into purchasing products, very expensive ones, only to turn and compete with us. Things are not looking pretty and it appears to me that Open Source, ala, Blender instead of Maya, CUDO and Apache SOAP instead of Coldfusion, and DHTML will perhaps some new submissions to the W3C -- perhaps that's the new message us developers need to listen to. As Henry Rollins says in his great song Liar, Please, I'm sorry, just give me anther chanceAh, ha, ha, ha, ha, oo.SUCKER, Sucker.a, I like it (the money)I FEEL GOOD. Do you feel good Adobe? Where do you want to go today? I'll follow thisif this heads where I think it is, I will put out the message. -r
[flexcoders] What are the analogous properties of Event Audio Play back and Stream Audio Play back in FLEX 3.0 vs. Flash?
I'm a very proficient ActionScript 2.0 programmer still learning to reach the same proficiency in ActionScript 3.0 So I wanted to ask anyone from Adobe or any other flexcoder experts out there: What are the analogous properties of Event Audio Play back and Stream Audio Play back in FLEX 3.0 vs. Flash? That is, in Flash, the stream method has been very good at ensuring the syncing of audio with visual animations, even if it has to skip frames, while the event mode simply plays. I'm interested in capturing spectrum data in an event type mode (that's what it would be called in Flash) in FLEX 3.0 Then, I'm interested in playing back in a stream type mode (again referring to traditional Flash mp3 terms), that skips frames if it has to, to keep up with an accurate alignment of animation in a play-back mode. Some may ask, why not just use computeSpectrum --- well I would be in the pre-processing, but in the playback, my requirements are necessary to play back in stream mode (once again a Flash term; so if I'm ignorant of the audio in ActionScript 3.0 forgive me). So that in playback mode I'm not using computeSpectrum, but simply looking up in cell Index (or time Index) what the spectrum data would be that I had saved in pre-processing mode. I'm creating a Logic Studio 8 Audio Unit and I want to ensure that I have a couterpart in FLEX 3.0 that can demonstrate some of what I'm trying to do. -r
[flexcoders] if i buy flex2 now, will i have to pay again for flex3 (how soon is it?)
I need to purchase FLEX Builder 2 with Charting for the Mac OSX (too bad Adobe doesn't provide Universal Binaries). I would like to know if the date of release for FLEX Builder 3 is close enough that I would get a free upgrade if I purchase FLEX Builder 2 today? Usually companies do this for 90 days, sometimes longer. But I need to know now as I have a contract opportunity, but I don't want to pay, then just pay all over againhow soon is it to FLEX Builder 3 release date (not beta, but stable release for sale on the site). -r - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
[flexcoders] General Timeframe for release of FLEX Builder 3.0
BTW, when will Flex 3.0 be released? I have to purchase for Mac OSX as the purchases are separate (I'm not sure why there's no universal binary). But in any event, does anyone have a general time frame? -r Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tracy, Maybe I am just unlucky, but I tried last FB3 - it just falls apart on my app - some mysterious compilation errors which could be cleared only by shutdown and clear/rebuild (SDK2.0.1). CVS compare plugin is much slower. It is fancier, but slower. And yes, FB3 feel far more attractive for development, but I decided to wait for release. Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Spratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FB3 is much faster and more stable/predictable than FB2. The UI is significantly enhanced. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Why upgrade to FB3?
OR you could say: The improvement in developer productivity by upgrading to Flex3 and getting to know the powerful ActionScript 3.0 is well worth + The reduced risk of trusting billg, Steven Balder and Mickeysoft once gain after several decades of betrayal while the former Macromedia and also now Adobe and eve moreso Apple have shown integrity toward their developers. I recommend not taking any risk by developing on Windows except to test, and stay with APPLE + ADOBE Jim Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good points from Tracy there. If it saves you only 15 minutes a day, say 5 hours a month and the cost to your company of employing you (wages + a surprising amount of extra cost in admin, office space, insurance etc etc) is roughly $50 an hour then it pays for itself in only 4 weeks (If the upgrade cost is the $250 discussed earlier, you might want to check that). These are not unreasonable estimates at all, it's really a no brainer in terms of cost. It surely can't take more than 8 weeks to repay the cost even if my guesses are out by a factor of two? OK, I'll admit that you might spend 5 hours installing and testing, maybe twice that, but if you look at over, say, a year then you should show some decent savings. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Tracy Spratt Sent: Fri 15/02/2008 23:12 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: Why upgrade to FB3? The improvement in developer attitude from the speed an stability alone is probably worth the cost. You do not need to maigrate your apps immediately, but can continue to compile them under the 2x sdk. Best of both worlds. Tracy From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of simonjpalmer Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:02 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Why upgrade to FB3? Wait. I can understand your company's reticence. It's normally a pretty empty promise to say that developers productivity will be greatly improved by spending money on a new version of an IDE. Even if it were, that rarely translates into either lower costs, faster development times or higher quality; these things come from the right cultural/social environment/attitudes not the latest versions of the tools. And if you take into consideration the cost of migration of your entire codebase from one version to the next and the associated testing effort, then it is not just about the license fees for the developers. I bet the bean counters are looking at that too. I'm not saying don't do it, and I'm sure Flex 3 is a major step forward, I'm just saying you could easily defer the decision for 6 months until it is actually a released product and has had its first couple of patches. From a commercial standpoint you'll lose nothing by staying put, whereas changing has attendant cost and risk. Of course at some point you'll have to upgrade because Adobe will stop supporting some or all of it, but if things are trundling along nicely and you are being successful in development and sales of your product, then it doesn't hurt to wait for a bit and you'll need to come up with a very rational argument to justify the cost. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Tracy Spratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FB3 is much faster and more stable/predictable than FB2. The UI is significantly enhanced. Tracy From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr Greg Murnock Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:47 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Why upgrade to FB3? For the big discussion of the day/week... I have been given the task to give a strong case on why we need to spend the money (proposed pricing schedule) on the upgrade to FB3, when available. Our company does not look to do AIR apps, we do not have a case to use Advanced Datagrid, we front CF7 with an Oracle DB (irrelevant) so the FDS is already there. Current F2 apps with charting working great. I want to upgrade but need more of a reason, for my [EMAIL PROTECTED] company - did I say that outloud, for us to purchase the upgrades. All comments are accepted. :) Greg Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http:/tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearc http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http:/tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearc h/category.php?category=shopping __ This communication is from Primal
Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)
FlashLite already outperforms Silverlight in my opinion, and with Papervision 3D creating such great 3D api's, I see no reason at all for anyone to move out from a perfectly safe place with Adobe, to crawl over to Microsoft, who has shown their behavior patterns so consistently in bad-faith and Predatory behavior. The thing developers need to be concerned about is Microsoft's history. No matter where they announce they'll meet us developers half way, you can be sure of where it's headed ultimately. SilverLight was initially only announced as a viewer for MacOSX. If this has changed, it's not because Microsoft likes you and wants to embrace you (any such thought should cause an instinctive reaction of danger; don't let yourself for one second think Microsoft has been humbled and will act in good faith; they will eat up everything like a devouring glutton if given the chance). I've been developing for Windows since 1988, and after much mercy am totally at odds with any kind of support for Microsoft on the client-side, only support of customers on the server side as needed. The time for billg to kiss and make up to Jobs' isn't after Gates has gone to great lengths with his upper echelon of Ballmer etc. and after Jobs' has maintained his integrity and turned out to be of far greater wisdom in the long. It's such a great ending to this long unfolding story to see Jobs' innovation and patience win out over such a blatantly sick personality as Gates' has operated as CEO in the past. Time comes us all.Gates will live out the remainder of his years having to learn that this is not a Survival of this fittest world; there is such a think as spirit and soul and he has neither. Microsoft has had enough mercy that it has betrayed to last several generations. Weyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's works fine for me under MacOSX. Indeed you can't run Blend under that platform. In my opinion Silverlight is only interesting as a user interface engine for those Windows Mobile devices only that will take a long while ;) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
RE: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)
I would agree, that's the last status that I know of, that there is not a development environment for SilverLight under MacOSX or any other platform except Windows. Only the player is available multi-platform. I've been there and done that regarding trusting Microsoft as a platform for any intellectual property whatsoever. Never again. Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he's talking about the player and you're talking about development. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO LLD Solutions Design Development eTools Multimedia Bank of America Flash Platform Developer Community - From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoshMcDonald Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:42 PM To:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People,Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record) As far as I knew you needed Visual Studio to develop for silverlight, has that changed? On Feb 13, 2008 10:04 AM, Weyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's works fine for me under MacOSX. Indeed you can't run Blend under that platform. In my opinion Silverlight is only interesting as a user interface engine for those Windows Mobile devices only that will take a long while ;) -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls forthee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)
Guess what - I did not start this thread at all !!! So look at the thread origins before implying something like that. I only responded when I saw it on the Yahoo e-mail notification. -r reflexactions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't you start a thread about the same thing in June last year? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also Kevin, I think you might have mis-interpreted by what I meant by I will only use Microsoft products on the server. To clarify, I did not mean I will only choose MS server products on the server, but that, of all of Microsoft technologies there are, the only ones I will use, are on the Server. I am completely ditching Windows Vista and any support or any use of Microsoft software, I'm only going to use Mac OSX, and will continue to support customers that I've developed solutions for Windows for, only for the Windows Server platform, not for any client side technology whatsoever. I do not intend to make the mistakes I have in the past - ever - the cannot be trusted period. But my risk is minimal by supporting a Server technology if I have to or if the customer wants it. If they want Silverlight, I'll tell them why they shouldn't be using Silverlight or even using Windows for that matter as their personal computer...until the day I die, I'll testify to that. -r Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never been an advocate to either side of the debate, but don't you think you're being quite hypocritical in saying that the client aspect of Microsoft is evil, but that you still actively use the server products? If you're looking for a reason to not go with Silverlight, than go on the tried and true backup that no matter what Microsoft says, it will never be as flexible and well adopted as Flash already is. Adobe has the client market covered between Acrobat and Flash, so I won't be losing any sleep anytime soon. !k - From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record) Here is a big reason why NOT to go with Silver-Light: I am Robert D. Thompson. Here is Federally Published public record of something, http://www.fedcirc.us/case-reviews/thompson-v.-microsoft- corporation-4.html I will not discuss the above public record, but will discuss why I believe it would be Historically of poor judgment to trust Microsoft with a Client side technology, including it's lost to SUN Microsystems for licensing and then hacking it's client-side technology, and other cases such as Stac Electronics. Steven Ballmer went to Country Day Prep academy here in my homestate of Michigan and I know several people there through individuals I've known through Track and Field and running in the Junior (high-school level) TAC national championship team with through regionals. I've also had an attorney who has gone to that same school at the same time as Steven Ballmer. - OpenGL is standard, Microsoft will force DirectX even though it's losing ground to OpenGL among the vendors. It will find ways to tie into the API and hack things up like they did in the SUN MICROSYSTEMS's Java Hack - can you imagine; these people at Microsoft actually licensed Sun's Java and got the source code to it and hacked it up so it wouldn't run on Windows IE well without bugs. Even Rick Segal has posted comments after being quietly abandoned by Microsoft after the Steve Barkto Incident (google that) as saying that Microsoft hi-jacked the efforts of both Apple's QuickTime and Blue Mountain software through unethical methods and when the court asked for source code record, Microsoft said it was not available and Segal argued this was ridiculous (google Blue Mountain v Microsoft. I talk about State Attorney generals who have had much harsher things to say about MS than anyone on my site www.ActiveCommunity.com - Microsoft is losing ground to Apple, to OpenGL (look into Papervision 3D, it's amazing and can run on ALL PLATFORMS; MS will limit other platforms to a viewer only and it's been buggy as far as I've heard). - I am a .NET Programmer who specializes in using ActionScript 3.0 and integrating it with SQL Server 2005 using stored procedures. I will only use Microsoft products on the server because, (a) I still like the server but will never invest in trusting Microsoft for ANY Client end software as they will betray you in the end; don't do it, you will lose to them if you trust them, (b) I have found a Gold Certified
RE: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)
Also Kevin, I think you might have mis-interpreted by what I meant by I will only use Microsoft products on the server. To clarify, I did not mean I will only choose MS server products on the server, but that, of all of Microsoft technologies there are, the only ones I will use, are on the Server. I am completely ditching Windows Vista and any support or any use of Microsoft software, I'm only going to use Mac OSX, and will continue to support customers that I've developed solutions for Windows for, only for the Windows Server platform, not for any client side technology whatsoever. I do not intend to make the mistakes I have in the past - ever - the cannot be trusted period. But my risk is minimal by supporting a Server technology if I have to or if the customer wants it. If they want Silverlight, I'll tell them why they shouldn't be using Silverlight or even using Windows for that matter as their personal computer...until the day I die, I'll testify to that. -r Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive never been an advocate to either side of the debate, but dont you think youre being quite hypocritical in saying that the client aspect of Microsoft is evil, but that you still actively use the server products? If youre looking for a reason to not go with Silverlight, than go on the tried and true backup that no matter what Microsoft says, it will never be as flexible and well adopted as Flash already is. Adobe has the client market covered between Acrobat and Flash, so I wont be losing any sleep anytime soon. !k - From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record) Here is a big reason why NOT to go with Silver-Light: I am Robert D. Thompson. Here is Federally Published public record of something, http://www.fedcirc.us/case-reviews/thompson-v.-microsoft-corporation-4.html I will not discuss the above public record, but will discuss why I believe it would be Historically of poor judgment to trust Microsoft with a Client side technology, including it's lost to SUN Microsystems for licensing and then hacking it's client-side technology, and other cases such as Stac Electronics. Steven Ballmer went to Country Day Prep academy here in my homestate of Michigan and I know several people there through individuals I've known through Track and Field and running in the Junior (high-school level) TAC national championship team with through regionals. I've also had an attorney who has gone to that same school at the same time as Steven Ballmer. - OpenGL is standard, Microsoft will force DirectX even though it's losing ground to OpenGL among the vendors. It will find ways to tie into the API and hack things up like they did in the SUN MICROSYSTEMS's Java Hack - can you imagine; these people at Microsoft actually licensed Sun's Java and got the source code to it and hacked it up so it wouldn't run on Windows IE well without bugs. Even Rick Segal has posted comments after being quietly abandoned by Microsoft after the Steve Barkto Incident (google that) as saying that Microsoft hi-jacked the efforts of both Apple's QuickTime and Blue Mountain software through unethical methods and when the court asked for source code record, Microsoft said it was not available and Segal argued this was ridiculous (google Blue Mountain v Microsoft. I talk about State Attorney generals who have had much harsher things to say about MS than anyone on my site www.ActiveCommunity.com - Microsoft is losing ground to Apple, to OpenGL (look into Papervision 3D, it's amazing and can run on ALL PLATFORMS; MS will limit other platforms to a viewer only and it's been buggy as far as I've heard). - I am a .NET Programmer who specializes in using ActionScript 3.0 and integrating it with SQL Server 2005 using stored procedures. I will only use Microsoft products on the server because, (a) I still like the server but will never invest in trusting Microsoft for ANY Client end software as they will betray you in the end; don't do it, you will lose to them if you trust them, (b) I have found a Gold Certified Microsoft provider who, in contrast to Microsoft, keeps their integrity intact. Use what Microsoft has to offer, but if you are to deploy anything that will be distributed on a client end -- I can ensure you that your efforts should consider the legal record of Microsoft that involves, Patent Theft (Stac Electronics), Bad-Faith hacking of licensed code (SUN Micrososystems), Bad-Faith Funding of anything that will pull down competitors (see Funding and Astroturf campaigns and research the SCO v IBM legal history). You've been forwarned; DO
RE: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)
Quite the opposite - it would only be hypocritical if I were to not recognize the strengths and less risk of server technologies that I use and can choose from, including ColdFusion, which I have used, .PHP which I use a lot, ans ASP.Net which I use some, and even Classic ASP, it's easy to retrofit old ASP XML REST Service code to fit the Client. There's very little risk on the server side technologies and I were to not recognize that, it would be called a polluted opinion (i.e. not honest). So the idea of me using all server technologies but staying away from the risk of investing in Microsoft on the client side is perfectly reasonable. If I were to not admit that the server technology is still viable and less risky, now that would be hypocritical - you can't do both! Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive never been an advocate to either side of the debate, but dont you think youre being quite hypocritical in saying that the client aspect of Microsoft is evil, but that you still actively use the server products? If youre looking for a reason to not go with Silverlight, than go on the tried and true backup that no matter what Microsoft says, it will never be as flexible and well adopted as Flash already is. Adobe has the client market covered between Acrobat and Flash, so I wont be losing any sleep anytime soon. !k - From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record) Here is a big reason why NOT to go with Silver-Light: I am Robert D. Thompson. Here is Federally Published public record of something, http://www.fedcirc.us/case-reviews/thompson-v.-microsoft-corporation-4.html I will not discuss the above public record, but will discuss why I believe it would be Historically of poor judgment to trust Microsoft with a Client side technology, including it's lost to SUN Microsystems for licensing and then hacking it's client-side technology, and other cases such as Stac Electronics. Steven Ballmer went to Country Day Prep academy here in my homestate of Michigan and I know several people there through individuals I've known through Track and Field and running in the Junior (high-school level) TAC national championship team with through regionals. I've also had an attorney who has gone to that same school at the same time as Steven Ballmer. - OpenGL is standard, Microsoft will force DirectX even though it's losing ground to OpenGL among the vendors. It will find ways to tie into the API and hack things up like they did in the SUN MICROSYSTEMS's Java Hack - can you imagine; these people at Microsoft actually licensed Sun's Java and got the source code to it and hacked it up so it wouldn't run on Windows IE well without bugs. Even Rick Segal has posted comments after being quietly abandoned by Microsoft after the Steve Barkto Incident (google that) as saying that Microsoft hi-jacked the efforts of both Apple's QuickTime and Blue Mountain software through unethical methods and when the court asked for source code record, Microsoft said it was not available and Segal argued this was ridiculous (google Blue Mountain v Microsoft. I talk about State Attorney generals who have had much harsher things to say about MS than anyone on my site www.ActiveCommunity.com - Microsoft is losing ground to Apple, to OpenGL (look into Papervision 3D, it's amazing and can run on ALL PLATFORMS; MS will limit other platforms to a viewer only and it's been buggy as far as I've heard). - I am a .NET Programmer who specializes in using ActionScript 3.0 and integrating it with SQL Server 2005 using stored procedures. I will only use Microsoft products on the server because, (a) I still like the server but will never invest in trusting Microsoft for ANY Client end software as they will betray you in the end; don't do it, you will lose to them if you trust them, (b) I have found a Gold Certified Microsoft provider who, in contrast to Microsoft, keeps their integrity intact. Use what Microsoft has to offer, but if you are to deploy anything that will be distributed on a client end -- I can ensure you that your efforts should consider the legal record of Microsoft that involves, Patent Theft (Stac Electronics), Bad-Faith hacking of licensed code (SUN Micrososystems), Bad-Faith Funding of anything that will pull down competitors (see Funding and Astroturf campaigns and research the SCO v IBM legal history). You've been forwarned; DO NOT TRUST MICROSOFT *EVER* on the Client side, or you will lose your intellectual property and your initiative if you can ever believe the constant truth that He who ignores History is bound to repeat
Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)
Here is a big reason why NOT to go with Silver-Light: I am Robert D. Thompson. Here is Federally Published public record of something, http://www.fedcirc.us/case-reviews/thompson-v.-microsoft-corporation-4.html I will not discuss the above public record, but will discuss why I believe it would be Historically of poor judgment to trust Microsoft with a Client side technology, including it's lost to SUN Microsystems for licensing and then hacking it's client-side technology, and other cases such as Stac Electronics. Steven Ballmer went to Country Day Prep academy here in my homestate of Michigan and I know several people there through individuals I've known through Track and Field and running in the Junior (high-school level) TAC national championship team with through regionals. I've also had an attorney who has gone to that same school at the same time as Steven Ballmer. - OpenGL is standard, Microsoft will force DirectX even though it's losing ground to OpenGL among the vendors. It will find ways to tie into the API and hack things up like they did in the SUN MICROSYSTEMS's Java Hack - can you imagine; these people at Microsoft actually licensed Sun's Java and got the source code to it and hacked it up so it wouldn't run on Windows IE well without bugs. Even Rick Segal has posted comments after being quietly abandoned by Microsoft after the Steve Barkto Incident (google that) as saying that Microsoft hi-jacked the efforts of both Apple's QuickTime and Blue Mountain software through unethical methods and when the court asked for source code record, Microsoft said it was not available and Segal argued this was ridiculous (google Blue Mountain v Microsoft. I talk about State Attorney generals who have had much harsher things to say about MS than anyone on my site www.ActiveCommunity.com - Microsoft is losing ground to Apple, to OpenGL (look into Papervision 3D, it's amazing and can run on ALL PLATFORMS; MS will limit other platforms to a viewer only and it's been buggy as far as I've heard). - I am a .NET Programmer who specializes in using ActionScript 3.0 and integrating it with SQL Server 2005 using stored procedures. I will only use Microsoft products on the server because, (a) I still like the server but will never invest in trusting Microsoft for ANY Client end software as they will betray you in the end; don't do it, you will lose to them if you trust them, (b) I have found a Gold Certified Microsoft provider who, in contrast to Microsoft, keeps their integrity intact. Use what Microsoft has to offer, but if you are to deploy anything that will be distributed on a client end -- I can ensure you that your efforts should consider the legal record of Microsoft that involves, Patent Theft (Stac Electronics), Bad-Faith hacking of licensed code (SUN Micrososystems), Bad-Faith Funding of anything that will pull down competitors (see Funding and Astroturf campaigns and research the SCO v IBM legal history). You've been forwarned; DO NOT TRUST MICROSOFT *EVER* on the Client side, or you will lose your intellectual property and your initiative if you can ever believe the constant truth that He who ignores History is bound to repeat the Mistakes of the past. -r Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a lot written by Jesse Warden on Silverlight from his Flash/Flex perspective: http://jessewarden.com/category/silverlight Also, here is a list I compiled last summer after speaking with a Silverlight engineer. Some things in Silverlight may have changed since then, hope this helps some. Pros Integrates very very well with .NET/Visual Studio Programming in C#, VisualBasic, Javascript, Python, or Ruby - CLR (Common Language Runtime) Easier for .NET developers to start developing for than Flash Microsoft deep-pocket backing and product integration All code remains external, no republishing after coded update like you do with Flash Runs on Mac OSX, Windows XP and Vista Cons Requires programming in C#, Javascript (inconsistent across browsers), VisualBasic, Python, or Ruby Not geared towards multimedia artists, learning community Not supported or pushed by the bank, virtually no market penetration outside the bank Not a mature product, not market-tested Does not integrated with Adobe's creative design tools Is not currently supported on Cell phones and several PDAs Does not support Flash media (.swf or .flv) i.e. Captivate or Articulate Visual experiences demo'ed so far are not nearly as impressive as Flash Silverlight is geared more towards RIA development, so it's more of a Flex competitor than standard Flash Does not run on older Mac OS, Linux and older versions of Windows Does not support alpha channel video CD and local drive Silverlight runtime not available as publishing option Expression Designer, Expression Blend used to design Siliverlight applications are immature tools
[flexcoders] Flex Example Library
It seems this list would be more efficient with a categorical Flex examples library from hello world to advanced user interfaces. Anybody know of one? - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If Flex is open source, how do we go about changing the language?
My point was only to refer to the inherent exclusive danger of open source tools that Microsoft has had occasion to exploit, and that is the reliability of a construct if derivatives aren't controlled as there root. And I'm referring to the language not the classes. Requesting a feature change or improvement is far different from requesting open source of the Flex As3 language definition. What I mean by this is that Open Source code in the form of AS3 classes is a good thing. Any notion, however, that the community of Flex Developers would be able to distribute a different base interpreter is a dangerous one and competitors like Microsoft know it (this doesn't include a custom lex and interpreter for a 3rd party but the idea of a new version of a Flex interpreter). My only point was to keep Adobe informed of some of Microsoft's strategies they have exhibited in the past. I'm sure some at Adobe already know it, but I believe in the lessons of history and the need to repeat them when the possibility of danger is still there, especially as a friendly reminder to the Flex community at large. There is no whining going on here by anybody as far as I can tell; only, if anything, casting the stone from a possible whiny arm. The fact is that the community of development on the whole in the world is becoming a lot better, but there are still people out there with a never ending thirst for control, and to keep their behemoths alive. -r aceoohay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert: Yes this is an earnest request. While I do not shrink from controversy if I believe it will get things done, I don't needlessly whine either. I believe that it is important to make sure that we help the developers of our tools understand what is important to us consumers of the tools. Otherwise their direction/vision may preclude them from doing the little things that make the difference between a easy to use tool and one that ain't. But really folks, this isn't rocket science, the sort routines are broken. Paul --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe the Flex language itself is open source, only the .swf format. Someone at adobe may want to clear that up. Although I'm sure this is an earnest request, whenever open source is discussed one thing everyone on this list has to be careful of is that MICROSOFT will not go well into that good night of the loser status that are suffering at the hands of Apple and Linux after the desperate attempts by SCO. I've learned enough about them to know that. They will keep people out on the edge of happenings to attempt to stir trouble, so any discussion of Open Source (microsoft's thorn) in a way that would disturb the good foundation of Flash end-users should looked at closely. One thing I've learned about enemies is that once you begin to feel sorry for their sad state, they usually have such little class as to reach out in desperation to draw their gun from their black holster and beady blue eyes to shoot at innocence. Mercy is good, but not with Microsoft (never). -r Ralf Bokelberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why has you data null values in the first place? Maybe you can put in some dummy data? Cheers Ralf. - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.
Re: [flexcoders] If Flex is open source, how do we go about changing the language?
I don't believe the Flex language itself is open source, only the .swf format. Someone at adobe may want to clear that up. Although I'm sure this is an earnest request, whenever open source is discussed one thing everyone on this list has to be careful of is that MICROSOFT will not go well into that good night of the loser status that are suffering at the hands of Apple and Linux after the desperate attempts by SCO. I've learned enough about them to know that. They will keep people out on the edge of happenings to attempt to stir trouble, so any discussion of Open Source (microsoft's thorn) in a way that would disturb the good foundation of Flash end-users should looked at closely. One thing I've learned about enemies is that once you begin to feel sorry for their sad state, they usually have such little class as to reach out in desperation to draw their gun from their black holster and beady blue eyes to shoot at innocence. Mercy is good, but not with Microsoft (never). -r Ralf Bokelberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why has you data null values in the first place? Maybe you can put in some dummy data? Cheers Ralf. - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.
[flexcoders] Animated PNG
I fully realize there may be patent issues with Adobe using animated GIF. However, what about Animated PNG? I've considered this subject for some time, and I am concerned that Adobe is withholding a great potential improvement in Flash to benefit FLV. I maybe completely wrong -- but that is why I'm posing the question. Lossless reduced color spaces have a great potential benefit to the web. It would be Adobe's free choice whether to include it or not -- but then again, we are free to dump any platform that is overly zealous when it comes to the economics of supply. -r - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
Time to clear the Air Adobe -- Re: [flexcoders] Animated PNG
Not too many years ago, but I was thinking the 17 years had passed (I believe it's 17). Now, if that's the case, what in the world is wrong with Adobe? They have the most popular rich media format in the world and they appear to be resting on their loins (or the loins if some inside investors) in implementing a low color space animation format. If they are sincere and are looking to improve this, I'm happy. If I find out something else is at work, then the entropy of power will befall them as it does every corporation that has people getting their hands in a pure noble effort, and spoiling it to make a buck (anyone knows how things really work knows this possibility is very real). Please Respond Adobe and clear the air on this. If anybody else knows how PaperVision3D and others are implementing custom plug-ins for Adobe Flash CS3 please post. -r Paul Decoursey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The patents for GIF ran out a few years ago. And does anybody support mpng? On Nov 20, 2007, at 3:16 AM, Robert Thompson wrote: I fully realize there may be patent issues with Adobe using animated GIF. However, what about Animated PNG? I've considered this subject for some time, and I am concerned that Adobe is withholding a great potential improvement in Flash to benefit FLV. I maybe completely wrong -- but that is why I'm posing the question. Lossless reduced color spaces have a great potential benefit to the web. It would be Adobe's free choice whether to include it or not -- but then again, we are free to dump any platform that is overly zealous when it comes to the economics of supply. -r - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: Time to clear the Air Adobe -- Re: [flexcoders] Animated PNG
Thank you Jeff! Paul, thank you also, but I guess I've been wondering the best approach for multi-platforms. I've been heading in the Intel C++ and Mac XCode direction. I will look into the animated gif loader to see if it has support for synchronizing with a streamed file. -r Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a semi-related note; has anyone on this thread investigated this component yet? http://dougmccune.com/blog/animatedgifloader-flex-component/ I have no idea if it supports animated png. Paul Decoursey wrote: On Nov 20, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Robert Thompson wrote: Not too many years ago, but I was thinking the 17 years had passed (I believe it's 17). Now, if that's the case, what in the world is wrong with Adobe? They have the most popular rich media format in the world and they appear to be resting on their loins (or the loins if some inside investors) in implementing a low color space animation format. If they are sincere and are looking to improve this, I'm happy. If I find out something else is at work, then the entropy of power will befall them as it does every corporation that has people getting their hands in a pure noble effort, and spoiling it to make a buck (anyone knows how things really work knows this possibility is very real). Please Respond Adobe and clear the air on this. If anybody else knows how PaperVision3D and others are implementing custom plug-ins for Adobe Flash CS3 please post. Creating plugins for Flash is documented. Read the Flash Manual/Help, search for extending Flash... I have not really looked to deep into this myself, but it's there. In response to the other things above, what are you talking about? Why would you want to muck up perfect vector animation with crappy bitmap animation? -r */Paul Decoursey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: The patents for GIF ran out a few years ago. And does anybody support mpng? On Nov 20, 2007, at 3:16 AM, Robert Thompson wrote: I fully realize there may be patent issues with Adobe using animated GIF. However, what about Animated PNG? I've considered this subject for some time, and I am concerned that Adobe is withholding a great potential improvement in Flash to benefit FLV. I maybe completely wrong -- but that is why I'm posing the question. Lossless reduced color spaces have a great potential benefit to the web. It would be Adobe's free choice whether to include it or not -- but then again, we are free to dump any platform that is overly zealous when it comes to the economics of supply. -r -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur, Software Developer, Author, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.
[flexcoders] Will Papervision 3D be available for use in Flex Builder 3 ???
The Papervision 3D project seems to be going forward in sputters, but the Action Script 3.0 examples look extremely promising. Will this library and any nice physics and mathematics libraries be included in Flex Builder 3 soon ? Abdul Qabiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAIK, Number (x) would return NaN as soon as it finds any character that's digit/number... Where as parseFloat (x) does some effort to find out the number until it encounters NaN character... -abdul On 10/31/07, reflexactions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks anyway for the reply, though I wasnt really asking what the difference is between Number and parseFloat I was asking more specifically about the difference between Number and parseFloats string parsing capabilities. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Abdul Qabiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anything that Number() parses that parseFloat doesnt? There are differences:- 1) Number is type where as parseFloat () is a global-function 2) Number (x) tries to cast x to Number where as parseFloat (x) reads, or * parses*, and returns the numbers in a string until it reaches a character. We use Number for typing, casting generally. Does that make sense? On 10/31/07, reflexactions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just looking at parsing strings into a Number i.e. parseFloat(string) or Number(string) It seems to me that parseFloat does everything Number does plus a little bit more (it will accept trailing non-numeric characters). Is there anything that Number() parses that parseFloat doesnt? tks -- -abdul --- http://abdulqabiz.com/blog/ --- -- -abdul --- http://abdulqabiz.com/blog/ --- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[flexcoders] Routines for Accurate Recording of Mouse
I don't want to reinvent the wheel on accurate recording of mouse position and more important delta/change so that it can be played back in unison with the events it was recorded with. Is anyone aware of any ActionScript 3.0 routines for this? thx __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[flexcoders] Drag and Drop onto AIR Flex
Does anybody have reference to the latest Flex3 Beta examples? What is the latest method of using drag and drop for multiple operating systems to drop onto an AIR application and upload files? thx p.s. Flex3 to be released any day right? At MAX next week is it? - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.
[flexcoders] Expected FLEX 3 Release Date and Cost ?
I'm just wondering if Adobe has an estimated FLEX 3 release date and the cost for upgrading from 2 to 3. Thanks. - Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more!
Re: [flexcoders] Expected FLEX 3 Release Date and Cost ?
FLEX Builder. Can you tell me what support there is for Alpha channels in video? I want to composite layers on each other and have good performance. Since I've not worked directly with the SDK yet, just UI and XML in the interface, I thought I'd ask. Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 13 Sep 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just wondering if Adobe has an estimated FLEX 3 release date and the cost for upgrading from 2 to 3. Can't tell you the date, but the cost is zero (for the Flex 3 SDK). Or did you mean Flex Builder / charting ? -- Tom Chiverton Helping to appropriately industrialize total CEOs on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos.
[flexcoders] Does Adobe have plans for OplenGL Primitives or not?
I don't want to have to cater to Microlust Corp. of Redmond, but I see no other alternative if Adobe doesn't step up and make some plans to compete with SilverLight (took them almost 10 years to come up with something decent). It seems that for a long time Macromedia was using Shockwave for Director as the alternative, but it's old, heavy and convoluted --- we need a good addition of OpenGL Primitives to the Flash Plug-in...Adobe, please ??? - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.
Re: [flexcoders] Does Adobe have plans for OplenGL Primitives or not?
I'd agree that it will add size to the player, but there's been so much progress on network speed. Certainly they should add enough to FlashPlayer to compete head to head with Mickeysoft, so that the best of breed is in Adobe. Trusting MS to handle marketshare wisely is not a good thing ever to me. Paul deCoursey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be cool, but I can't see that happening. I'd imagine that adding any OpenGL support would add a significant amount of bloat to the player. I think that it has become fairly universal, I don't see why they couldn't make a go for it. but then there is always papervision, and the Flash renderer is fairly fast. Robert Thompson wrote: I don't want to have to cater to Microlust Corp. of Redmond, but I see no other alternative if Adobe doesn't step up and make some plans to compete with SilverLight (took them almost 10 years to come up with something decent). It seems that for a long time Macromedia was using Shockwave for Director as the alternative, but it's old, heavy and convoluted --- we need a good addition of OpenGL Primitives to the Flash Plug-in...Adobe, please ??? - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Will Microsoft's new Silverlight Player Kill our beloved Flex ?
Take it from me: Thomson v Microsoft 1. The documents I've seen waht to make me through up (dry heave) 2. Microsoft is involved in patent them, z4 technologies $140 recently is proof. So is Sun's settlement for MS hacking code. 3. Would you trust Microsoft. Bill Gates is a desperate LOSER I don't care how much money he has -- STEVE JOBS IS AN INNOVATOR, Bill Gates is a huster stealing from you peole in their early 20's. Paul DeCoursey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that there is room in the RIA space for another player. I think that MS has a few things going against it for this launch. First off it's a new plugin with little real world experience. It is going to take a long time for the market to become saturated enough for it to be relevant. It took many years for the Flash Player to gain acceptance, and it's still not a total success (read any posting on slashdot that is related to Flash to see what I mean). Throw on top of that Microsofts reputation in Internet Security and you have a user base that will be uneasy with the install. I see this going one of two ways. Silverlight takes more than 2 years to reach saturation, partially fueled by the reluctance of the population to upgrade to Vista. This causes developers to choose other options which in turn drive the next big web trend beyond RIA. Or Sliverlight is a moderate success and everyone is happy. Or (sorry, I just thought of this so it's actually 3 ways) Silverlight is a big success and clever developers like myself (I do totally rock ;) blend Flash, Flex, Silverlight and some other new emerging technologies that in turn drive innovation away from all the current RIA platforms to something far more advanced. This fits into my demented belief that the web is doomed to failure and something better is bound to replace it before it ends up killing us all. I can't say right now that I am totally excited about Silverlight. I would like to take a look at it and see what it can do. Paul deCoursey --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Dave Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, Sillyness aside, there is substance to this and it was a great read, but i think what hurt it's purity is the undercurrent of MS is evil, watch them mentality. I assure you that undertone wasn't purposeful. I did flub the Sparkle reference, but then again, most people misunderstood what Sparkle was and the general understanding at large was the Sparkle was WPF/E. Code words are supposed to be confusing right? :=) As you said, aiming at that would have just undone the message I was trying to get out. Worth noting BTW, I am a MSFT Alumnus. -- Dave Wolf Cynergy Systems, Inc. Adobe Flex Alliance Partner http://www.cynergysystems.com http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: 866-CYNERGY --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Scott Barnes scott.barnes@ wrote: Dave.C, Dave.W gets it :) He understands that the RIA space is not exclusive to one company but many, while I get the undercurrent of his blog-speech, I do however disagree with the dark evil plotting - MIX isn't because MAX exists, its actually because it's intent is to showcase a MIX of Microsoft Technologies in the one spot, consolidated. Usually PDC / TechEd are reserved for the 100% Microsoft pieces (except TechEd Australia were we are hoping to mix-it-up a bit more). Furthermore, we are looking to REMIX (Australia, Melbourne, June 25th - 26th) in the rest of the world based off what the US version does and so on.. point I'm thinking folks at times amplify the paranoia around Microsoft ;) Secondly, Sparkle was the code-name for Expression Blend, and JOLT was the code-name for Silverlight. I also get nervous when anyone uses the term Missiles,Big Bang and Microsoft. As when they do, i start to think of Cult Followings and ponder if I've been duped into some mystic cult (I'll be that guy running out in FBI handcuffs on Hard Copy saying I didn't know..I didn't know..) Sillyness aside, there is substance to this and it was a great read, but i think what hurt it's purity is the undercurrent of MS is evil, watch them mentality. I'm evil, Microsoft isn't though (just to clarify that). On 4/20/07, Dave Carabetta dcarabetta@ wrote: I hope this isn't taken with as some sort of corporate shill for my employer, as it's honestly not my intent, but Dave Wolf, Vice President of Consulting at Cynergy Systems, gives an excellent summary as to why Silverlight is a phenomenally important announcement to the RIA industry and why it's not just some copycat Flash competitor. If you're looking for a balanced view of Silverlight's effect, check out his latest blog entry: http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs/page/davewolf?entry=wake_up_and_see_the Regards, Dave Carabetta. Cynergy Systems, Inc. On 4/18/07, Scott Barnes
Re: [flexcoders] Re: and I thought Adobe was a professional company. Whats going on with the upgrade
You don't have to read it Tim. It's Bruce's personal opinion just as your request is a personal request. It's real simple, you don't own this ofrum. And I'm not sure personal requests are given priority here. I happen to agree with Bruce; and I'm totally devoted to Adobe. But Macromedia has handled things better in the past and I hope things improve. We need Errata to know what's going on. It's my personal request that you don't flame me for my personal opinion. ;-/ Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed :) ( I got half-way down and went *noise..noise...noise...heh go Claus...noise..noise*) :) On 1/7/07, Tim Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a personal request, might I ask that this thread be closed. It's very easy to take pot-shots from the sidelines. But, from what I can tell, most on this list are serious people that appreciate the hard work and dedication that Adobe has provided. Granted, Flex isn't mature yet as a product. However, a lot of people here have gone through the beta cycles and come out just fine. After all, progress isn't free. It just takes a little effort. That being said, please let us not sink into the same type of discourse that has plagued similar lists. If you're not a fan of Adobe and Flex, than this probably isn't the right place for you. They have a customer service department for that. In the mean time, all of the positive minded subscribers to this list have much more useful things to do with their time than reading personal rants. Sorry for the bluntness, but if you cant say something nice. -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, boy_trike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its great that there is an upgrade to 2.0.1 So where is the READ ME telling us about the changes. (oh yea, you can find a web page that tells you that there is something called modules and you can now change style sheets dynamically. but where are: 1). The examples 2). The new syntax changes 3). The list of the 250 bugs that are fixed (or are we supposed to guess which ones they got?) We should NOT have to find out about these features on someones blog. This seems very amateurish to me. Bruce -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [flexcoders] Re: and I thought Adobe was a professional company. Whats going on with the upgrade
FYI, my comment was based on errata not the Subject Line. I think everyone here likes Adobe or they wouldn't be using their software to base their solutions on it. To be clear, I was agreeing with the body of the message, not the subject line. No need for flame wars here. Everyone has a right to their opinion; that's how things get noticed. I think Adobe is working their butts off to make this transition, and I like it. I also am planning much of my future on FLEX2 so I hope bugs and errors are properly documented in each issue -- that's all. -r Tim Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fair enough Robert. Go ahead, make this flashcoders 2. Subject dropped. -TH btw, all I own is my keyboard. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't have to read it Tim. It's Bruce's personal opinion just as your request is a personal request. It's real simple, you don't own this ofrum. And I'm not sure personal requests are given priority here. I happen to agree with Bruce; and I'm totally devoted to Adobe. But Macromedia has handled things better in the past and I hope things improve. We need Errata to know what's going on. It's my personal request that you don't flame me for my personal opinion. ;-/ Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed :) ( I got half-way down and went *noise..noise...noise...heh go Claus...noise..noise*) :) On 1/7/07, Tim Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a personal request, might I ask that this thread be closed. It's very easy to take pot-shots from the sidelines. But, from what I can tell, most on this list are serious people that appreciate the hard work and dedication that Adobe has provided. Granted, Flex isn't mature yet as a product. However, a lot of people here have gone through the beta cycles and come out just fine. After all, progress isn't free. It just takes a little effort. That being said, please let us not sink into the same type of discourse that has plagued similar lists. If you're not a fan of Adobe and Flex, than this probably isn't the right place for you. They have a customer service department for that. In the mean time, all of the positive minded subscribers to this list have much more useful things to do with their time than reading personal rants. Sorry for the bluntness, but if you cant say something nice. -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, boy_trike boy_trike@ wrote: Its great that there is an upgrade to 2.0.1 So where is the READ ME telling us about the changes. (oh yea, you can find a web page that tells you that there is something called modules and you can now change style sheets dynamically. but where are: 1). The examples 2). The new syntax changes 3). The list of the 250 bugs that are fixed (or are we supposed to guess which ones they got?) We should NOT have to find out about these features on someones blog. This seems very amateurish to me. Bruce -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [flexcoders] URLRequest and crossdomain.xml
What is the format/schema of the crossdomain.xml file?And is it called that, and placed in the root directory?Ryan Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Carson, that had always been my understanding, but then I read this line in the docs that made it seem like I also needed a cross domain file in order to "call out":To load data from a different domain, place a cross-domain policy file on the server that is hosting the SWF file.In any case, thanks for the clarification.=RyanFrom: Carson Hager[mailto:carson.hager@cynergysystems.com]Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2006 10:15 PM -07:00To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.comSubject: [flexcoders] URLRequest and crossdomain.xmlActually you need the crossdomain.xml file on the other servers, not your own. The purpose of the file is to allow access to swfs downloadedfrom other domains to that swfs don't get insidea network and start grabbing data from otherwise protected servers. This is a commonly misunderstood point.CCarson HagerCynergy Systems, Inc.http://www.cynergysystems.comEmail: carson.hager@cynergysystems.comOffice: 866-CYNERGYMobile: 1.703.489.6466From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan StewartSent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.comSubject: [flexcoders] URLRequest and crossdomain.xmlHi all,I'm working with the URLRequest function and I've got a quick question. According to the docs - http://livedocs.macromedia.com/flex/2/langref/flash/net/URLRequest.html- I need a crossdomain.xml file on the server that is hosting my SWF if I want to be allowed to go out and grab data from other domains. But while I'm testing the SWF on my computer, just compiling with Flex Builder, where do I need to put the crossdomain.xml file? Is it even possible to test the URLRequest function in this manner?Thanks,=Ryan Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Software development tool Software development Software development services Home design software Software development company Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[flexcoders] Adobe - Please answer / Best method for Flash install for everyday users
Dear Adobe,Internet Explorer requires SWFObject (and it works).Firefox now disables _javascript_ and some of my potetial visitors say they can't enter the site.I've noticed Adobe appears to:1. Run/Install Flash for IE.2. Display JPEG or GIF for Flash Movies and place a notice that "This site may not have all it's features enabled" But for any interactive content it appears to use DHTML menus.Is the recommended method.It seems with so many browser changes (ie MS Eolas loss, Firefox disabling _javascript_ from the get-go o installation) that it would be more important than ever to get one tried and true method that works and deals with all contigencies of all major browsers.-r Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[flexcoders] FLEX2/Flash devs Need More Clarity from Adobe on New Flash Player Install Methods : i.e. New Shake-Up in FLASH Install Options (Foxfire JS disabled by default, and IE embed activation)
There are 2 recent events that have complicated Flash Installs that even SWFObject (formerly FlashObject) cannot handle.#1. Foxfire Now Comes Installed Default with Script Blocking. So, the very thing that made Flash successful (almost instantaneous installation even over 56k modem) is now moot. We have to instruct the user to specifically allow _javascript_.#2. Microsoft's loss of the ELOAS lawsuit and the Court Order for them to remove Emebedded Object Activation (requiring users who need to interact with a menu based or otherwise click-based flash movie to first click it once to activate it and then click it again to interact with it). SWFObject solves this particular problem.It seems to me, from looking at Adobe.com and their implementation of Flash Installs, that they themselves handle Interenet Explorer by now just displaying a GIF or JPEG graphic and No Flash Movies that require interaction, and they use DHTML menus.For Firefox _javascript_ turned-off, Adobe does the same thing and displays a graphic, but also displays the message,You may not have everything you need to view certain sections of Adobe.com. Please see our site requirements.Which it does not seem to do for Internet Explorer (i.e. it just defaults to graphic mode).Things seem to be getting more complicated for Flash Installs, and with the challenge of Vista's Sparkle, it seeems important, now more than ever, for Adobe/Macromedia to provide the Best All Around Solution/Example for Flash Player install support.-r Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[flexcoders] Did any prior Flex Store have Payment Services Example, or just Mock-Up?
The version of FlexStore in the final product does not have Check-Out where it displays what I recall were UPS and FedX selections. It still remains extremely cool though.Did the previous Store example have a UPS example working for someone with a UPS Developer Key, or was that just a mock-up?If anyone else is doing UPS API via Flex2 and knows of any caveats I'm sure some of us on the list would be interested. I have a client who has a rather complicated pricing requirements on check-out.-r Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] A: YES, YES Is Adobe a reasonable business partner?
Valy, I can end this thread in a short statement or a long one.SHORTAdobe, I believe will play by the rules and they are a reasonable biz partner.But as Borat might say Microsoft "If she cheat on me, I will Crush her!"LONGStay with the issue that's been taken off, so we can let this end, I responded simply to warn people about things I've leanred in nearly 20 years; probably about as long as you've beeen alive possibly the guy who started this thread implied Adobe wasn't a reasonable business partner and they are - I was giving a counter-example of someone proven by law not to be a good business partner: Microsoft.I am a .Net programmer both large medical apps and sites; and flash since 1997primarily as sites, but now as apps. I've taught entire companies how to use Flash.Flash is becoming a truly beautiful programming environment with FLEX 2.0..NET controls, if you've worked with the plethora of them as I have, cannot even begin to compare in visual appeal as a Flash app integrating FLEX.Enter "Sparkle" and my earlier comments.And as far as this word you brought up "conspiracy" what does that quick-overused-defense have to do with a sheet of paper that has things written on it from whom you call m$ have anything to do with the topic.I'm simply putting out a fact based warning regarding "a good business partner" and that, as just one example, that MS is not a good business partner as they licensed Sun's java and then they hacked it to perform badly as a JVM in IE, they were caught and paid $20m for it. Same with Quicktime years before, same with Blue Mountain v Microsoft just several years ago using Outlook as the preventing mechanism they have ways to impede FLEX and THEY WILL TRY. Old Bills don't learn new tricks they just wither.There are dozens of example more; you obviously have a ways to go in learning about both companies and how Microsoft fights an "enemy" by the way, that's a word, not a conspiracy, so is the word "club" and the word "head" and "dead" and "desktop" and so is ray Ozzie's baby "notes" -- that enough for you to see this is a dangerous company with a front? I know facts you don't.And if you don't think MS looks at Adobe as an enemy, read up. Also realize Eolas just won a lawsuit against ms regarding it's use of ActiveX in IE effecting Flash but there is a working around by using the popular "flashobject" (Google or Yahoo it, stay away from MSN if you like your Favorites Folder not to be retrieved (it's fact that it's possible in some version of IE to do this Valey not conspiracy); fact is fact, conspiracy as a defense is ignorance (no harm implied it's simply the only word, or should I say ignorance is bliss).MS hardly ever gives in to lawsuits, they're paying EU $1M a day still because they won't comply with equal competitive rules.It all comes down to Sparkle. I research this stuff regularly as part of my duties. MS has been caught recent making very jealous statements at 2 companies: Google and Adobe. And nearly all editors agree right now, there is an upcoming battle of Adobe v Microsoft.Microsoft, well Bill's not really a programmer as he claims (QBasic doesn't qualify, while Jobs is Smalltalk and variants do qualify), and the other guy has seemed to lost every truth of hair left on his head.I'm not one bit afraid or intimidated by anyone at Microsoft. I've loved them and now I only use their tools when asked to by a client, or there's a particular reason.I simply believe we have a FRESH Platform from Adobe and I believe in it and I don't want anyone to be mis-lead, in fact I want people to be on the lookout so some of the hold outs can be informed and more of the truth many have seen in documents with their own eyes can be told to the pubic.Innovative Inventors Patent TROLLSThe Truth About Microsoft Patents and ISVsA call to all MS ISVs to check your State LawsDue 2007.Anyone who copies the title before it's published -- thanks for the PR.One of the many titles I'm considering for my book.-rValy Sivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, I'm kinda reluctant when I see people that know absolute truth and see all sorts of conspiracy around them.I believe M$ did a lot to this industry ( I'm not even a .net programmer ) in terms of innovation and software development and at this moment Adobe(Macromedia) still have to grow to be at that level. I'm not saying Flex is not a great product, just can't say Flex is best when still need workarounds for a lot of things. BTW, some workarounds are presented as "patterns" or "features", look no further than "singleton" pattern. Flex has great potential, but it will be interesting to see if Adobe will be able to create a great product. Historically speaking, JRunis/was a decentproduct but never GREATHope Flex will became a GREAT product along other products. In case Flex will the ONLY GREAT product, then we''ll see Adobe acting as M$ does now ( remember Flex pricing scheme). I'm done with this posting
Re: [flexcoders] Flex vs. .Net for RIA database apps; new to both
I think you might be interpreting the "showy shopping cart" as you call it as really a client side app that manages data mostly on the client side; and maintains integrity through publish subscribe.If I were you, and anybody out there, I think it's rather obvious that most of us will run into situations where we want to build a Flex Builder 2.0 front end to a WSDL ASP.Net Web Service (by requirement not because it's the fastest) to a SQL Server 2005 database.But in the end, I think you're right, you should invest your time in Flex Data Services because of the publish subscribe; it's model works far better imho in maintaining data integrity among a group of clients.Apple Computer started the phrase "Publish Subscribe" back in the eary 1990's, and Mickeysoft followed with OLE. This was for inter-application communication.SQL Server continued to use the term to maintain distributed databases. I did one for the Ford 150 Demo Drive; hooked up a PS between LA and Detroit; Ford sales people would ask questions upload to FTP server, agent program would put into database and it would eventually get to Detroit.Well, the Drill-Down interface I created was much appreciated -- but it queried the server every time. I had the option of .Net for this -- but my opinion .Net is fine for applications; but I've wasted enough time to use it for creating web pages (though non UI Web Services are still something very viable on Windows Server 2003).If I had it my way -- we'd all have a thin client Desktop with something like Flex and then any server a person wants to use. I still respect both Linux and Windows Server 2003.But when it comes to the client on Windows Desktop and IE and FLEX, I'm afraid the industry is in for another greedy grab by Nicklesoft. They tried it before; they'll try it again.If you don't know ASP.Net for Web Services stick to Data Enterprise Server.-rmichaellisten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to decide which technology to invest my time into, and will be experimenting with both .net and flex. I like the OS independence that flex enables on the server side. I'd buy flex builder because I'm interested in whichever provides the simplest learning curve, and I'm sure on the flex side of things, flex builder would be a major asset. Most of the applications that I build are database front ends, and are not exposed to the public; they're usually used over intranet or internet+vpn. CRUD stuff mostly, not image centric or needing the kind of graphical wow that one tends to associate with flex/flash. I am not that fond of the regular browser based format that we've been using for a decade. I am looking forward to the RIA age. If using .net I'd probably go with winforms and remoting or webservices for the backend. But most flex example apps are less database oriented and are often showy shopping carts. Is flex going to be good for what I'm after? Most examples have little data entry. I posted here about flex/flash comboboxes for data entry/selection and didn't get much in the way of feedback. I am most interested in the approach that is the most productive; helps the most with data binding, wysisyg designers, error handling, and so forth. I'm usually asked to create a lot of solid software in a minimal timeframe, so my priority here will be to choose software that simplifies the design/build cycle. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[flexcoders] FLEX2 devs in Detroit Area? // also
[I apologize if this is the wrong place to ask this; if so let me know]I'm looking to either form a small users group for FLEX 2.0, preferably in the Rochester Hills area of Michigan (North of Detroit), or to at least get together with some of them and discuss issues even if it's a conference style. Part of the reason I'm asking this is I need another FLEX partner to help me take on the barrage of new projects coming my way. I have a great business manager and attorneys; just need to begin to look into more than 1 programmer (me).I can take care of all the Windows 2003 Server integration. What I need is someone to help me with my PHP conversion tool (which works amazingly well) and Server at my Linux host running Java and running Flex Data Services from there; per license (will the initial 1 license be only local? I'd rather it be remote so when deploying it's as simple as buying more licenses instead of moving the test bed to the server)Why are so many people against JRun -- what are the alternatives? I've found it easier to commit to one company and learn the ins and outs (did that with ms w/o reading the history of the early 80's and paid the price). I've used JRun evaluation and it works fine...what do others use and what is their cost?-r __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [flexcoders] I noticed something MS Vista Beta 2 out
Grudge, Wisdom, Warning or...or read again...Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man, You must have been burned by that stove bad.. It's not healthy holding a grudge this hard! Peace, Mike.On 6/7/06, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: belowRegarding this Vista, I've seen this little thing called "Sparkle" -- a reincantation of a purely failed effort to compete against Flash back a few years ago (it was sad). But this time around, Microsoft may intend to do what it has done to other competitors regarding Adobe, and that is, to use Sparkle to "crush the enemy Adobe by beating it over the head with the Windows Desktop".I do believe (but am unsure and not claiming so in order to protect myself :-) that's an actual quote by a high level exec, but a different company as to whoe the "enemy" was, at some time, by some person, at high levels, about another competitor, and I do believe my eyes have seen something of this sortbut I can't be sure if it was a dream or real :-) But I can say no more than that...until a short time...it will all be exposed soon enough...My Advice to Adobe: Watch out. Old cheeseburger loving dogs who have been found to have broken the law don't learn new tricks (they don't change). And believe me $50B in cash reserves buys a lot of cheeseburgers; and that's just cold hard cash; earned and blossomed all from the seed of a bald-man telling IBM they had DOS _complete_ when in actuality they did not, and instead this bald-man offered 50k to someone who wasn't aware of this information about IBM needing what he'd developed. The story spawns from there. Was that first action illegal. Probably not. Dishonest - Absolutely. Unethical - Absolutely.This bald-headed guy grew up just a few miles from me and taints the image and spirit of a beautiful school called "Country Day".Question is: Was he numbed up by his boss, or was it the other way around. I kind of think being caught for soliciting prostitution in Arizona, leads me to believe it was his boss. So, obviously these people have no spiritual foundation and simply believe "whatever means necessary" and "survival of the fittest".They've got some hot weather coming.Who am I talking about -- your guess is as good as mine -- not my thread.But I do plan on Establishing FLEX 2.0 for my future development.As Mickey softy (he's a ganster :-) fades away ever so slowly. Long live Bono a true and tried person who has a long track record of helping the poor in africa; as for the other two. I won't say it.-rchristopherjdunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just incase anyone would like to test any of the flex apps/clients on MS Vista Beta 2, it can now be downloaded from MS's website: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/preview.mspx Chris __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- What goes up, does come down. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] A: YES, YES Is Adobe a reasonable business partner?
You guys at ADOBE are doing great and are going far above what many organizations will do. And most of all YOU CAN BE TRUSTED.Anyone (like this guy) who complains about support in a Beta should have a little more patience. By the way, you may want to make sure he doesn't have an alias named "Steve Barkto" (Google "Steve Barkto Incident" :-)Plus, everyone is into FLEX 2.0 and it's spreading fast -- I'm an unofficial "evangelist" for Flash --- and for 4th of July, I'm going to warn everyone of the dangers of trusting sparklers too close to their eyes -- WARNING, WARNING only works on Dindows full of security holes...use Java FLASHERS they're cooler and they got an infusion of $20 Million from a lawbreaker...his name is...well I mentioned him above.Just sit back and watch the FLEX 2.0 show and build a long-term solution with a Partner that CAN BE TRUSTED client and server. I'm finally excited about development again.I'm 38; CS maj. lots of experience with Mick Softy (again that gangster guy) and I'd say the next 10 years of the development part of my life are dedicated to helping Adobe win the upcoming "War for the Desktop [mobile top]".As Dvorak said "They're now an Albatross". Ha, that was my nick name in track and field when I ran an 8:52 2 mile and broke a 17 year old freshman record. But I don't think Dvorak was complimenting the gangster who's getting old and will soon face his creator.I loved seeing Bono on Conan kind of avoiding any real association with Mick Softy. Bono has been at it for years, the nerd steps up and gives so little relatively and in such short notice (good for Africa, but as Jesus said "This women [who gave 2 cents] gave more than all of you because she gave all she had).Sparkles fade away slowly; But Flashes leave an image.Truth be told, I plan on releasing a lot more truth should it be allowed.And I have much more public information besides that.I've already been threatened personally and dangerously, I have nothing to lose by putting out the truth. Softy is going down and money can't buy you love -- well it bought you something...and it'll be cashed in soon enough by time.-rMatt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update: weâve worked with Jim off-list to resolve his issues.If anyone else runs into probs dealing with support, service, or sales please let me know.MattFrom: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Robson Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:00 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Is Adobe a reasonable business partner? Iâve been developing in Flash and CF for years, so I have some experience dealing with Macromedia, but Iâve never had to deal with Adobe until now.So far, my impression is that the Adobe developers are great (although most of the ones Iâm aware of probably worked for Macromedia). However, I am not having good experiences with the customer service or sales personnel. Has anyone on the list had experience dealing with Adobe as a business partner? Flex is a very cool product, but I donât think itâs good to tolerate an unresponsive or arrogant vendor. What are your impressions? __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] The End, A: YES, YES Is Adobe a reasonable business partner?
Okay Valy, let's end it here...I did not start the commentary.The response was from a message to someone asking if Adobe is a reasonable business partner -- a pretty serious accusation and there's plenty of room for response to this accusation; and that's all.Although I agree commentary should not be going on a lot, that was a serious implying sort of suggestion -- that they are not, when in fact Adobe and the Macromedia developers are great business partners. I've been involved in Flash since 1997 so I have a lot of history here.Microsoft is not a reasonble business partner and that's the only thing I added, and mark my words they intend to use DirectX and Direct3D (something I myself programmed in the past) and Sparkle to minimize Flash. And then have a viewer on the Macintosh. Why all this? Because FLEX 2.0 is very powerful at Applications.I've seen evidence of this regarding Lotus Notes that I don't even think Ray Ozzie who is there now has seen, and words perhaps like "kill the enemy" and "club them over the head with the Windows desktop" are words that you should think about -- I'm not saying anything beyond that, but I know how they compete and I've done my research.And if you don't know about the upcoming battle re: Sparkle and MS's plan to at the very least minimize Flash as a true cross-platform client server solution on to of the very same Java they were proven to have licensed and then hacked [and those are very deceitful motives], then you should read up my friend and not continue your own commentary when the issue was already answered.I did not start it. Maybe you can stop it and relax a littleread a little about the issues that will be coming upand they willand I'm sure you know I'm rooting for Adobe. They are everything MS is not -- look at the inability of MS to come out with even the least Graphics program; or the way graphcs are dealt with in Word Sad. Finally we have a great competitor in the market who's not guilty of breaking the law.Uh...kind regards...and consider perhaps my eyes have seen things yours have not...then go back to the guy who asked the question. Any further commentary is your own and would be frankly hypocr.-rValy Sivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this kind of message adding any value to the flexcoders comunity? I don't think so. I think that this forum should stay focused on Flex core issues and let time speak about how successfull is Flex vs.others or how much better is Adobe vs.other software vendors.Kind regards,ValyRobert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys at ADOBE are doing great and are going far above what many organizations will do. And most of all YOU CAN BE TRUSTED.Anyone (like this guy) who complains about support in a Beta should have a little more patience. By the way, you may want to make sure he doesn't have an alias named "Steve Barkto" (Google "Steve Barkto Incident" :-)Plus, everyone is into FLEX 2.0 and it's spreading fast -- I'm an unofficial "evangelist" for Flash --- and for 4th of July, I'm going to warn everyone of the dangers of trusting sparklers too close to their eyes -- WARNING, WARNING only works on Dindows full of security holes...use Java FLASHERS they're cooler and they got an infusion of $20 Million from a lawbreaker...his name is...well I mentioned him above.Just sit back and watch the FLEX 2.0 show and build a long-term solution with a Partner that CAN BE TRUSTED client and server. I'm finally excited about development again.I'm 38; CS maj. lots of experience with Mick Softy (again that gangster guy) and I'd say the next 10 years of the development part of my life are dedicated to helping Adobe win the upcoming "War for the Desktop [mobile top]".As Dvorak said "They're now an Albatross". Ha, that was my nick name in track and field when I ran an 8:52 2 mile and broke a 17 year old freshman record. But I don't think Dvorak was complimenting the gangster who's getting old and will soon face his creator.I loved seeing Bono on Conan kind of avoiding any real association with Mick Softy. Bono has been at it for years, the nerd steps up and gives so little relatively and in such short notice (good for Africa, but as Jesus said "This women [who gave 2 cents] gave more than all of you because she gave all she had).Sparkles fade away slowly; But Flashes leave an image.Truth be told, I plan on releasing a lot more truth should it be allowed.And I have much more public information besides that.I've already been threatened personally and dangerously, I have nothing to lose by putting out the truth. Softy is going down and money can't buy you love -- well it bought you something...and it'll be cashed in soon enough by time.-rMatt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update: weâve worked with Jim off-list to resolve his issues.If anyone else runs into probs dealing with support, service, or sales please let me know. Matt
Re: [flexcoders] I noticed something MS Vista Beta 2 out
Re: belowRegarding this Vista, I've seen this little thing called "Sparkle" -- a reincantation of a purely failed effort to compete against Flash back a few years ago (it was sad). But this time around, Microsoft may intend to do what it has done to other competitors regarding Adobe, and that is, to use Sparkle to "crush the enemy Adobe by beating it over the head with the Windows Desktop".I do believe (but am unsure and not claiming so in order to protect myself :-) that's an actual quote by a high level exec, but a different company as to whoe the "enemy" was, at some time, by some person, at high levels, about another competitor, and I do believe my eyes have seen something of this sortbut I can't be sure if it was a dream or real :-) But I can say no more than that...until a short time...it will all be exposed soon enough...My Advice to Adobe: Watch out. Old cheeseburger loving dogs who have been found to have broken the law don't learn new tricks (they don't change). And believe me $50B in cash reserves buys a lot of cheeseburgers; and that's just cold hard cash; earned and blossomed all from the seed of a bald-man telling IBM they had DOS _complete_ when in actuality they did not, and instead this bald-man offered 50k to someone who wasn't aware of this information about IBM needing what he'd developed. The story spawns from there. Was that first action illegal. Probably not. Dishonest - Absolutely. Unethical - Absolutely.This bald-headed guy grew up just a few miles from me and taints the image and spirit of a beautiful school called "Country Day".Question is: Was he numbed up by his boss, or was it the other way around. I kind of think being caught for soliciting prostitution in Arizona, leads me to believe it was his boss. So, obviously these people have no spiritual foundation and simply believe "whatever means necessary" and "survival of the fittest".They've got some hot weather coming.Who am I talking about -- your guess is as good as mine -- not my thread.But I do plan on Establishing FLEX 2.0 for my future development.As Mickey softy (he's a ganster :-) fades away ever so slowly. Long live Bono a true and tried person who has a long track record of helping the poor in africa; as for the other two. I won't say it.-rchristopherjdunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just incase anyone would like to test any of the flex apps/clients on MS Vista Beta 2, it can now be downloaded from MS's website: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/preview.mspx Chris __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[flexcoders] Release date? Maybe 15th
Release date?Just wondering. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2 - Cairngorm 2 Tutorial
I know there is a great FLEX 1.0 example that I love called "Shopping Cart" but I can't find it for FLEX 2.0 -- are there any major changes? I would think there would be a few. I know the store is available for download but is it Cairngorm 2 design.Claudia Barnal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I am trying to get my hands on a turorial or sample app that covers Flex 2 and Cairngorm 2. I know these are both in beta, but I can only find Cairngorm 0.99 stuff, so any directions would be great. Thanks, Claudia Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-Phone. Get Yahoo! Messenger with Voice -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[flexcoders] FlashPlayer 9 Adobe Developers -- Lightweight OpenGL Available
Did anyone read the "OpenGL Mobile Devices" article in Dr. Dobb's Journal, Page 30, June 2006 (www.ddj.com)?I'm really focused on the client side with FLEX for the long-long-term and I want ADOBE to be able to compete and lead over Mickeysoft in their Sparkle Effort.Of course DirectX is very powerful and Sparkle is great on Windows. But you have to start somewhere, and I think starting some kind of OpenGL classes in the FLEX Framework and FlashPlayer and Player Lite would be a great idea.POWERFUL GAMES can be downloaded -- But Interesting Realtime 3D graphics on Flash sites (not Shockwave; everyone I know doesn't like Shockwave much at all).Just letting the Adobe Dev's know in case they missed it.MS has been displaying their "Gadget" technology which basically because of the Eolas lawsuit loss and April 11th change in IE required by law will make IE an "Albatross" as Dvorak puts it -- and so now it's time to see if Mickeysoft will play any dirty tricks with a sort of new stage of an Active Desktop (they got no choice now; press space or return or click the object twice to interact with itha, ha, HA, HA, ha, ha...Jim Carrey style to Mickeysoft).Note: I still use MS technologies as I know them very well, but the punks at the top who play dirty [i mean really dirty] tricks and lose their hair or soul because of it really piss me off.I've seen what few eyes have seen about themI don't know how they enjoy money if they have a conscience.-r New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: sending htmlText from RichTextEditor to webservice
ALL OF US WOULD BE VERY GREATFUL, I'm sure.This is a hot-topic period.I've heard rumors for quite sometime about Adobe/Macr. including some sort of Rich Text Editor. F'load has changed their licensing policy on their control and it sucks now you have to pay for each site; MXP's rule; so do .SWC's.-rWill Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey Manish - thanks. If you've done it before and you have a quick sample at hand could you post it? I'd be very grateful...On 5/12/06, Manish Jethani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 5/12/06, willmorganuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got it working now (RTE.htmlText), but the font size=10 tag is a little large when it's placed on n html page :) need to find a way to strip that out from the string... It's valid XML, so I'd use E4X to strip out the unnecessary bits (I think I've done this before). -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comSPONSORED LINKSWeb site design developmentComputer software developmentSoftware design and development Macromedia flexSoftware development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web.To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
