Frame output scales incorrectly - corrupt joboptions file?

[Karen Mardahl]

Hi

I have an annoyance, not really a problem, with my Frame 7.1p116 on XP
and Distiller 7.0.7.

My PDF is distilled at 1439% or 1398% or some such random, 4-digit
figure. After several normal print jobs, something cracks, and I get
this mess. Closing down everything and reopening makes the bug go
away.

I am alert to the problem so I view the Print dialog carefully - I
swear! It always says 100% in the scale box. That is why I suspect
Distiller. I feel that I have to assume FM generates a .ps file that
is going to produce output scaled to 100%, and that Distiller chews it
up somehow.

Or...?

Ideas as to the whereabouts of this annoyance? I can go for months
without a sign, but now I had the problem twice in one day. My Acrobat
is 7.0.9, but that cannot possibly be the culprit, can it?

Thanks in advance.

regards, Karen Mardahl
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Re: PDF bookmarks

[Shlomo Perets]

Shmuel,

You wrote:

Is there any way to have a PDF show you where you are in the bookmark pane 
when you page down or click a cross-reference.



Unfortunately, it seems that the answer is no.

Starting with Acrobat/Reader 6, collapsed parent bookmarks are not 
displayed differently to indicate that one of their subordinate bookmarks 
corresponds to the currently-viewed page.


And even if all bookmarks levels are expanded (not recommended in general), 
Acrobat does not automatically scroll the bookmark pane to match the 
corresponding page location (as it does with the thumbnails pane).



Shlomo Perets

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Re: Table Question (wrapping onto 2nd page)

[rebecca officer]

Your first 3 rows are probably heading rows, even if they look like body
rows. Click in one, then look at the info bar at the bottom left to see.
Heading rows automatically repeat. If so, add body rows below your
repeated rows, put the content into them, then delete the repeating
rows.

Cheers, Rebecca

 Jonathan Pechta [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/08/07 1:31 AM 
Greetings all,

I have a table question that I can not seem to resolve (Frame 6.0). I 
have a table where the first 3 rows are duplicating themselves on the 
next page when the table wraps across a page separator.

Is there a way to remove this wrapping effect, or is this a bug in FM6.0

and I need to make a secondary table for the information flowing onto 
the next page?

Thanks for the help,

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24775 Crestview Court
Farmington Hills, MI 48335
Ph: (248) 477-3900 x3331
Fax: (248) 477-8897

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Re: (1) Numbering issues with anchored frames (2) Changing numbering in a book

[Steve Rickaby]

Donna... forgive me for ignoring the rest of your post: I've not had my morning 
intravenous caffeine injection yet.

- How bad is it to have 2 chapters in one file? I don't mind to split the 
file. I'm asking purely out of curiosity, and I already brace myself for the 
outcry this question might provoke.

Much badness. FrameMaker's 'simple' book numbering approach - as opposed to the 
more complex methods used prior to Version 5.5 - is based on the $chapnum 
variable, and this mandates one chapter per file. Do yourself a favor - split 
the chapters.

The only case I can think of where you would not want to use numbering based on 
$chapnum and restarting para numbering for each chapter is if you explicitly 
needed to carry one or more numbering threads right through a book, or needed 
to have a numbering thread that was reset asynchronously with chapters.

Your point (1) was dealt with here recently: check the archives.

(2) Suggest you use $volnum for part numbering.

Last but not least, all these Lists of Š are taking up too much space.  The 
closest that I could move them together is to start each file on the next 
available page. Is it possible to have all the List of Figures, Tables, and 
Paragraphs in one file but as three separate lists?

You can set up FrameMaker to start on the next available page. Afaik the only 
way to have them all in the same file is to manually combine them after final 
book generation - and that will snarf your page numbering unless you are 
careful.

On a general point, there are some extremely good white papers about FrameMaker 
numbering available from the Mother Ship, www.frameusers.com.

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Re: Frame Improvements

[Art Campbell]

Are you seeing this on screen, in .pdf, and/or print?

Art

On 3/6/07, Shmuel Wolfson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Are all these bugs, or am I doing something wrong?
There seem to be several bugs in table ruling:

- When a heading row repeats on 2 or more pages, the ruling at the
bottom of the table, and underneath the header row row are not always
the correct ruling style. I have to apply the ruling manually.

- When I apply custom ruling and shading, to a row and select only the
Bottom and Top checkboxes, the ruling is often applied to the left and
right sides of the cell.

- When I try to apply custom ruling to the top of a cell, it often does
not work until I go into the bottom cell and select Top, and then select
go into the top cell and select Bottom.

FrameMaker is still better than Word, but for the price you pay I think
they should fix these bugs. The ruling bugs are particularly annoying.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



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Numbering

[Art Campbell]

First, whatever font you're using in your Subject isn't translating well

On 3/5/07, Dona Mommsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

snip


(1) This book has a numbering issue with anchored frames.
The numbering setting  is to continue the numbering from the previous
paragraph in the book, and it is consistent in the book and in each
document. However, this does not work when the first occurrence of the
paragraph happens to be in an anchored frame. In that case Frame
stubbornly restarts numbering for that paragraph / tag, and it happens
for paragraphs containing any numbering tag. As soon as I enter the
same paragraph format in the flow (somewhere before the anchored frame)
the numbering continues correctly. Any ideas or workarounds?


Anchored frames are outside the main flow. The easiest solution is to
number outside them.




(2) In addition, I'd like to make a number of numbering changes. Maybe
these changes should be done first, because it includes restarting the
numbering in each chapter, which could make the issue detailed above
obsolete. However, I'm not sure if there is any order in which I should
tackle these changes. I'm particularly uncertain if I'm missing
something about numbering definitions of the book vs. numbering in the
paragraph format that could get me in trouble.

— Introducing Parts should be the easy part:
Part I: Chapters 1 to 3
Part II: Chapters 4 to 6
Part III: Chapters 7 to 8
I was planning to create a new paragraph tag and to include that in the
TOC.


Yes. I'd use the $volnum variable and control it in the book file.



— Change the numbering of Figures and Tables to Chapter—Figure  or
Chapter—Table, respectively, e.g. Figure1—1. Thus the numbering
restarts in each chapter.
I've done the combined numbering in the Appendix, with a structure of
empty brackets in the auto-numbering format,
e.g. A:A.n+   \t
Should I do the same for the main chapters 1 through 8, or is there
something that I'm missing about the chapter numbering definition of
the book?


Make sure to use a different numbering track, not A: and you should be fine.
You could also set this up at the book level, really the preferred
method, using the $chapnum or $volnum variables instead of your
active counter.


Please note that I have multiple paragraph tags for Figures and Tables,
so there are 2 numbering tags but 5 paragraph tags in total: Figure,
FigureWithSource, TableTitle, TableTitleWithSource, and another
paragraph tag for the Figures  that are split into panels. The 'with
source' paragraphs have a different spacing, ruler and 'next paragraph'
property, because they are followed by a paragraph indicating the
source. However, they are using the same numbering tag, so there are
only 2 numbering  tags, one for Figures and one for Tables. Also, the
paragraph tag for split Figures with panels numbered 1a), 1b) uses the
same numbering tag. However, these  panels are not included in the List
of Figures. The caption for the whole figure that gets into the LOF is
either a paragraph Figure or  FigureWithSource.
Again, the goal it to change the numbering to Chapter—Figure  or
Chapter—Table,  respectively. I guess that I can handle that with the
correct structure in the  empty-brackets-approach, where Figure and
FigureWithSource have to use the same item in the list. To get the
'Figures with panels',  I'll probably need another item in the
structure. Again, the question is whether there is a better way of
doing this, using the chapter numbering definition in the book? Is it
possible to use a variable definition like $chapnum in the
auto-numbering of a paragraph tag?


Sure, use $chapnum for this -- that's what it's designed for. But it
would only replace the set of brackets you're using for chapter
numbering.



— I'm also grateful for any tips how to make these changes across the
book without FrameScript.


Setting the numbering at the book level and using the $chapnum and
$volnum variables would be the easiest way to do it. If you have to
redo tags, you'd just import the new formats into multiple files at
once, again at the book level.



— How bad is it to have 2 chapters in one file? I don't mind to split
the file. I'm asking purely out of curiosity, and I already brace
myself for the outcry this question might provoke.


It's fairly standard procedure. That's why the numbering properties in
the book file allow you to set the numbering for multiple files to the
same chapter number... It's also one additional reason to use the
$chapnum variable.  The file=chapter thing is just human tidiness --
the computer doesn't care.




Last but not least, all these Lists of … are taking up too much space.
The closest that I could move them together is to start each file on
the next available page. Is it possible to have all the List of
Figures, Tables, and Paragraphs in one file but as three separate
lists?


You''d have to set it up with text insets. More both than it'd be worth.
My first question would be if you're sure you 

Re: Frame Improvements

[Yves Barbion]

Indeed, FrameMaker's Table features are one of the most powerful and
reliable around.

The only times when I experienced weird behavior of tables was when I had
tables in FrameMaker which were imported from ...ahem... MS-Weird. But hey,
luckily we have the TableCleaner plug-in, which makes tables behave properly
again: Remove Custom Ruling  Shading  From All Tables in Document and
there you go.

For more information about TableCleaner:
http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm




--
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Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor

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RE: Conditions that won't go away - solution(s)

[Martinek, Carla]

Summary of the problem and solution: 

1.  I used a Framescript to change all text tagged with OLDTAG 
to being tagged with NEWTAG.  No text in any of the files is 
tagged with OLDTAG at this time.

2.  As the condition OLDTAG still existed in each file, I deleted 
that unused condition from each and every file using PGFWhopper
plugin 
from CudSpan. OLDTAG does not exist in any of the files any more,
including on the master pages. The OLDTAG condition has been 
verified as being deleted from each and every file.

3.  If I show/hide conditional text at the individual file level,
NEWTAG is available, and OLDTAG is not, as I expect it to happen.

4.  If I show/hide conditional text at the BOOK level, OLDTAG is
available, but NEWTAG is not, which is *not* what I expect to
happen.
NEWTAG should be available at the book level show/hide, and OLDTAG
should not show at all as it has been deleted.

5.  I tried saving the book file to MIF, but that did not work.  I also
tried closing out of FrameMaker and restarting, and that did not
work.
The book file refused to give up references to OLDTAG and recognize
NEWTAG.

WORKING SOLUTION: 
--SB's suggestion to make a new book file and move my files to that
worked great.  Yeah!!

Also received these suggestions, but did not try them at this time:
--Save the book file as MIF, open it in text editor, and remove the
references to OLDTAG.
--Import my template file into all of the files in the book again.

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Opening SGML

[Serge De Beil]

Hello,

For a new project, we receive a SGML file from our customer.
This SGML file is an export from a database.
What do I need to parse this SGML file to Framemaker?

What I've tried is following:
I start Framemaker in Structured Mode.
When I open the SGML file, I just get a plain text with all the  
SGML codes in it.
When I use the Parse Structured Document function, I'm asked which  
Structured Application I want to use (DocBook, DocBook 2.1, XDocBook  
and XHTML).
I choose one of them, and then I get an error Could not find  
external document type name.


What do I need to open or parse the SGML file in a way that I get a  
decent document with all SGML codes 'interpreted'?


Many thanks in advance.
Serge

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RE: Opening SGML

[Mike Feimster]

Serge,

Did your customer give you a structured application with the SGML file?
(The structured application consists of at least an EDD and application
definition. It can also include Read/Write rules, and a template, and
maybe even some other things.) If so, you'll need to use that. If not,
you'll need to create one.

Mike

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Subject: Opening SGML

Hello,

For a new project, we receive a SGML file from our customer.
This SGML file is an export from a database.
What do I need to parse this SGML file to Framemaker?

What I've tried is following:
I start Framemaker in Structured Mode.
When I open the SGML file, I just get a plain text with all the  
SGML codes in it.
When I use the Parse Structured Document function, I'm asked which  
Structured Application I want to use (DocBook, DocBook 2.1, XDocBook  
and XHTML).
I choose one of them, and then I get an error Could not find  
external document type name.

What do I need to open or parse the SGML file in a way that I get a  
decent document with all SGML codes 'interpreted'?

Many thanks in advance.
Serge

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Re: Frame's future

[Shmuel Wolfson]

As new tools come out, companies will not expect you to know more than 
the most common ones. There is a lot more to technical writing than the 
authoring tool.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 8:29 PM -0500 3/4/07, Sean Pollock wrote:
Why be afraid of Frame's possible demise? XML is the future, and 
Frame is

just a tool, and should never be the source. There will be (actually,
already are) new tools, Frame ain't all that anyway. Seems like I've 
been
using it forever--I look forward to the day that something else will 
improve

on it.

Sean Pollock
UGS Corp.


What concerns me is that many of these tools are Enterprise level. 
Meaning that they are too expensive to be purchased by a single 
person, and often require a server from which to run. What that means, 
is that companies will segregate writers into those who know the 
tools, and those who don't. If you want to get a job, you have to know 
the tools. Most companies don't want to teach you to use them. They 
want you to know them already. They won't care if you know XML or 
SGML. They will focus on the tool.


Scott
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Re: Frame Improvements

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Thanks. That may be the problem. The company I worked for used to use 
Word, and switched to Frame before I came. It's possible that the tables 
were imported.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Yves Barbion wrote:

Indeed, FrameMaker's Table features are one of the most powerful and
reliable around.

The only times when I experienced weird behavior of tables was when 
I had
tables in FrameMaker which were imported from ...ahem... MS-Weird. But 
hey,
luckily we have the TableCleaner plug-in, which makes tables behave 
properly

again: Remove Custom Ruling  Shading  From All Tables in Document and
there you go.

For more information about TableCleaner:
http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm





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How Do I Create Alphabetical List?

[Roger Bell]

I am working on a reports guide. I will have a TOC, but I also want
another generated list of reports by name and page number. Each Heading
2 in the guide is the name of a report. Can I do this without having to
insert markers for each Heading 2?
 
Thanks in advance for any ideas. I am using version 7.2.
 
Thanks,
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Re: Frame Improvements

[Yves Barbion]

I had a sneaky suspicion.

;-)



On 3/8/07, Shmuel Wolfson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks. That may be the problem. The company I worked for used to use
Word, and switched to Frame before I came. It's possible that the tables
were imported.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Yves Barbion wrote:
 Indeed, FrameMaker's Table features are one of the most powerful and
 reliable around.

 The only times when I experienced weird behavior of tables was when
 I had
 tables in FrameMaker which were imported from ...ahem... MS-Weird. But
 hey,
 luckily we have the TableCleaner plug-in, which makes tables behave
 properly
 again: Remove Custom Ruling  Shading  From All Tables in Document and
 there you go.

 For more information about TableCleaner:
 http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm









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Re: How Do I Create Alphabetical List?

[Yves Barbion]

Yes you can, Roger.

Add  List of  Elements  Paragraphs (Alphabetical)  Include Heading 2 
Add.

There you go.



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Re: Frame Improvements

[Bill Swallow]

- When a heading row repeats on 2 or more pages, the ruling at the
bottom of the table, and underneath the header row row are not always
the correct ruling style. I have to apply the ruling manually.


I think it has to do with your table style definitions.


- When I apply custom ruling and shading, to a row and select only the
Bottom and Top checkboxes, the ruling is often applied to the left and
right sides of the cell.


Shading will be cell specific, not orientation specific.


- When I try to apply custom ruling to the top of a cell, it often does
not work until I go into the bottom cell and select Top, and then select
go into the top cell and select Bottom.


This is how tables work. Each cell has a top and a bottom... So you
need to ensure that your bottom definition doesn't counter your top
definition and vice versa.


FrameMaker is still better than Word, but for the price you pay I think
they should fix these bugs. The ruling bugs are particularly annoying.


I don't think they're bugs. Then again, I don't see what you see and
have no insight into what you're doing other than your written
perspective.

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FYI: MS Communicator

[Mary Sheahan]

Hi folks,

Something I've discovered the hard way, and I wanted
to let others know as an FYI.

Problem: On Windows 2000, FM7.1 has intermittent
startup problems with MS Communicator.

Solution: when you can't open from Windows Explorer by
doubleclicking the filename, solution is to exit
communicator, then go into the Windows Task manager
under the Processes tab and manually stop
'communicator.exe'.

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Re: How Do I Create Alphabetical List?

[Yves Barbion]

You're welcome, Roger.

Well, you're next question is a nice feature request. ;-)

However, there are two workarounds:

Workaround 1

  1. In your FM source document, type the letters of the alphabet, each
  of them in a separate paragraph and give them a dedicated paragraph tag, for
  example H0. You can make them white or put them in a separate text frame
  outside the print area (or put a white rectangle on top of them).
  2. Generate the alphabetical paragraph list and include H0. H0 will
  have the paragraph tag H0APL in the alphabetical paragraph list.
  3. You can change the reference page, so that the $pagenum is
  omitted for H0APL.
  4. Modify the H0APL paragraph tag, so that they look like Group Titles
  of an index.


Workaround 2: use custom markers and Index Generator (IXGen)

  1. Create a custom marker, for example report.
  2. Use Index Generator to put report markers on all H2 headings.
  3. Generate an index of report markers (IOM). There, you will
  automatically have Group Titles.

I've done this with no less than 21 different types of markers and it worked
like a charm.

For more information about Index Generator: http://www.fsatools.com/

Good luck and best regards

Yves Barbion
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor




On 3/8/07, Roger Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Thanks so much. That worked. One more question: Is it possible to
automatically create headings as you might have in an index, such as A, B,
C, etc. so that the results will group by these headings? Or is that a
manual step I need to take?

Regards,
*Roger Bell*
Technical Writer
VCG Software, Inc.
http://www.vcgsoftware.com
(770) 246-2300 x1181
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*Subject:* Re: How Do I Create Alphabetical List?

Yes you can, Roger.

Add  List of  Elements  Paragraphs (Alphabetical)  Include Heading 2 
Add.

There you go.



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Re: Frame Improvements

[Art Campbell]

The easiest way to clean them up is to wash the file by saving to
MIF and opening and saving that version.

omsys.com has a utility program that does these steps for you.

And Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plug-in is a must-have if you're going
to be working with tables very much.

Cheers,
Art

On 3/8/07, Shmuel Wolfson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks. That may be the problem. The company I worked for used to use
Word, and switched to Frame before I came. It's possible that the tables
were imported.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Yves Barbion wrote:
 Indeed, FrameMaker's Table features are one of the most powerful and
 reliable around.

 The only times when I experienced weird behavior of tables was when
 I had
 tables in FrameMaker which were imported from ...ahem... MS-Weird. But
 hey,
 luckily we have the TableCleaner plug-in, which makes tables behave
 properly
 again: Remove Custom Ruling  Shading  From All Tables in Document and
 there you go.

 For more information about TableCleaner:
 http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm


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RE: How Do I Create Alphabetical List?

[Roger Bell]

Outstanding. I used your first workaround and it works like a charm. 
 
But you are right that it would be a nice feature request for Adobe to
add. Hope some of their folks are on this list and will take note.
 
Thanks so much.
 
Regards,
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To: Roger Bell
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How Do I Create Alphabetical List?


You're welcome, Roger.

Well, you're next question is a nice feature request. ;-) 

However, there are two workarounds:

Workaround 1


1.  In your FM source document, type the letters of the
alphabet, each of them in a separate paragraph and give them a dedicated
paragraph tag, for example H0. You can make them white or put them in a
separate text frame outside the print area (or put a white rectangle on
top of them). 
2.  Generate the alphabetical paragraph list and include H0.
H0 will have the paragraph tag H0APL in the alphabetical paragraph list.

3.  You can change the reference page, so that the
$pagenum is omitted for H0APL. 
4.  Modify the H0APL paragraph tag, so that they look like
Group Titles of an index.


Workaround 2: use custom markers and Index Generator (IXGen) 


1.  Create a custom marker, for example report. 
2.  Use Index Generator to put report markers on all H2
headings. 
3.  Generate an index of report markers (IOM). There, you
will automatically have Group Titles. 

I've done this with no less than 21 different types of markers
and it worked like a charm.

For more information about Index Generator:
http://www.fsatools.com/

Good luck and best regards

Yves Barbion 
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
 




On 3/8/07, Roger Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Thanks so much. That worked. One more question: Is it
possible to automatically create headings as you might have in an index,
such as A, B, C, etc. so that the results will group by these headings?
Or is that a manual step I need to take?
 
Regards,
Roger Bell
Technical Writer
VCG Software, Inc.
http://www.vcgsoftware.com http://www.vcgsoftware.com/

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Subject: Re: How Do I Create Alphabetical List?


Yes you can, Roger.

Add  List of  Elements  Paragraphs
(Alphabetical)  Include Heading 2  Add.

There you go.



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Import RTF

[John Pilla]

Hello, all; 
We are in the process of converting older Word documents into FrameMaker. 
After stripping and cleaning unwanted old Information Mapping formatting 
from Word, saving as RTF . . .
When I import one of the RTF files into our new FrameMaker template file, 
the old document comes in as a Text Inset and not as the desired RTF . . . 

We use File | Import.  And select  Retain Source File Formatting so we 
can use  a Find and Replace on the standard para Styles from Word to the 
new Tags in FM template. 
However, after importing, because it comes in as a Text Inset, I then have 
to select  the Text Inset Properties from the Edit menu, 
and convert to text. 
When we do this, we loose all text in the tables. 

How can I import text from an RTF file so that it comes in as RTF and not 
as a Text Inset? 
Is there a properties setting, somewhere? 
 
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RE: Opening SGML

[Andrew Avis]

 Serge,
 
 Did your customer give you a structured application with the 
 SGML file?
 (The structured application consists of at least an EDD and 
 application definition. It can also include Read/Write rules, 
 and a template, and maybe even some other things.) If so, 
 you'll need to use that. If not, you'll need to create one.

Further to this, all you really need is the DTD for the original SGML (which
may include an SGML declaration file and entity files, or not).  You can
quickly generate an EDD from the DTD in Frame.  The imported SGML won't look
pretty, but it will parse correctly.  From that point you can refine the EDD
and develop a structured application to convert various elements into Frame
objects like markers, graphics, and tables.

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Re: Frame Improvements

[Chris Borokowski]

Many Frame bugs come down to user interface
oddities.

In my view, the program is under-utilized, especially
its ability to do structured documents. It could well
be one of the few applications that remains important
into the next generation of computing, since the
market has caught up with it.

Another example: every time I look at Visual Basic, I
think of Hypercard.

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Re: Frame Improvements

[Chris Borokowski]

Do direct links to the forum work?
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.1de55779

For posting any issue, it's useful to include exact
computer and operating system setup, type of file you
were working on, any add-ons operating, and steps you
took to reach the error condition.

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Re: How Do I Create Alphabetical List?

[Wolfgang Kühn]

Yes,

you can generate a List of Paragraphs.
Insert - List of ... - Paragraphs - Search Heading 2 - OK

WoK


Roger Bell schrieb:
 I am working on a reports guide. I will have a TOC, but I also want
 another generated list of reports by name and page number. Each Heading
 2 in the guide is the name of a report. Can I do this without having to
 insert markers for each Heading 2?
  
 Thanks in advance for any ideas. I am using version 7.2.
  
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RE: Frame's future

[Chris Borokowski]

Knowing how technology works, I'd prefer to build on a
working, proven platform and expand it to reach new
heights. In other words, why be afraid of FrameMaker
for the future? It's a great product design and
doesn't need changing.

Programs like mySQL may have eternal life for the
same reason Frame could. They're the right tools for a
task that will not change so greatly a new paradigm is
required.

Now, afraid of my own demise... another story ;)

 At 8:29 PM -0500 3/4/07, Sean Pollock wrote:
 Why be afraid of Frame's possible demise?




 

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Arrow navigation in FM tables

[John Pilla]

I recall (among other custom) configurations, 
that when I last used FM (5.5) I was able to customize a file, 
and thus enable using the arrow keys to navigate within an FM table. 

(Why Adobe continues to leave this out - is a mystery to me.) 

However, that was about 7 years ago. 
So can someone refer me to where, if any - this is documented, 
or how I might go about configuring FM to enable this? 

Thanks. 
 
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Nevermind: Importing RTF into Frame

[John Pilla]

I had originally checked Copy into Document when I first worked on a 
project a few weeks, ago. 
After looking more closely, I see that Import by Reference was now 
checked. 

Sorry, for submitting too quickly. 
 
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RE: Table Question (wrapping onto 2nd page)

[Combs, Richard]

Jonathan Pechta wrote:
 
 I have a table question that I can not seem to resolve (Frame 
 6.0). I have a table where the first 3 rows are duplicating 
 themselves on the next page when the table wraps across a 
 page separator.

Those 3 rows are heading rows instead of body rows. Tables consist of
one or more body rows plus zero or more heading and footing rows, which
repeat on subsequent pages. You set the initial row counts in the Insert
Table dialog. 

When you add rows, the Add Rows or Columns dialog lets you add rows
Above Selection, Below Selection, To Heading, or To Footing. But here's
the gotcha: if your cursor is in a heading row, Below Selection adds
heading rows below the existing one. To add body rows, the cursor must
be in a body row. 

You can't convert heading rows to body rows (or vice versa). To fix your
existing problem, add 3 body rows to the table. Then copy the contents
of each heading row to a new body row. Finally, delete the unwanted
heading rows. 

HTH!
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Re: Frame's future

[Sean Pollock]

  Thanks Bill, we agree!

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Date:  Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:36:35 -0500
What concerns me is that many of these tools are Enterprise level.
Meaning that they are too expensive to be purchased by a single
person, and often require a server from which to run. What that
means, is that companies will segregate writers into those who know
the tools, and those who don't. If you want to get a job, you have
to
know the tools. Most companies don't want to teach you to use them.
They want you to know them already. They won't care if you know XML
or SGML. They will focus on the tool.

Ah... Fear and Loathing in TechComm. ;-)

1. There are plenty of non-enterprise solutions for lone writers and
such to use to manage XML content.
2. Technology will always win out over tools, period.
3. Some companies will undoubtedly be tool-centric, which is fine.
If
they want to overlook you as a candidate/hire based on specific
tools
experience and not on technology knowledge and experience, did you
really want to work there in the first place?

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Adobe Feature Request/Bug Report Form

[Mike Wickham]

Some have recently asked where to go to report bugs or request features. 
Adobe has recently added a form that allows you to do either, or any Adobe 
product:


http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

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Re: Arrow navigation in FM tables

[Stuart Rogers]

John Pilla wrote:
I recall (among other custom) configurations, 
that when I last used FM (5.5) I was able to customize a file, 
and thus enable using the arrow keys to navigate within an FM table. 

(Why Adobe continues to leave this out - is a mystery to me.) 

However, that was about 7 years ago. 
So can someone refer me to where, if any - this is documented, 
or how I might go about configuring FM to enable this? 


John,

Read the Online Manual, Customizing Frame Products (in  your FM install 
directory). I think what you need to do is add some lines to a 
customui.cfg file,


Modify MoveIPToPreviousCell   KeySequence /Left 
Modify MoveIPToNextCell   KeySequence /Right 
Modify MoveIPToCellAbove  KeySequence /Up 
Modify MoveIPToCellBelow  KeySequence /Down 

HTH,

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EDIT Busted

[Richard Doll]

With no apparent reason (brown-out/blackout/earthquake/global heat) Edit 
options are gone.


WinXP Pro (ServPk 2)
2 G memory
Frame 7.2 with updates
Dell 490 Workstation
APC Power Protection

The Edit drop-down (1st one to the right of File lists no options 
(doesen't activate anything).

Thus I have no Find/Replace.
Any fix clues are appreciated.

best to all,
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Re: Import RTF

[Art Campbell]

The easiest way to do this is to Open, not import, the source .RTF file in FM.

So, first, in FM, Open the .RTF file. Next, to remove hidden Word
characters, save the file in FM as a MIF format file. Finally, open
the (now clean) MIF file and cut and paste whatever you need into your
destination FM file.

Use the FM Paragraph Designer's Global Update tool to change all tags
of one type to another type.

Art



On 3/8/07, John Pilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello, all;
We are in the process of converting older Word documents into FrameMaker.
After stripping and cleaning unwanted old Information Mapping formatting
from Word, saving as RTF . . .
When I import one of the RTF files into our new FrameMaker template file,
the old document comes in as a Text Inset and not as the desired RTF . . .

We use File | Import.  And select  Retain Source File Formatting so we
can use  a Find and Replace on the standard para Styles from Word to the
new Tags in FM template.
However, after importing, because it comes in as a Text Inset, I then have
to select  the Text Inset Properties from the Edit menu,
and convert to text.
When we do this, we loose all text in the tables.

How can I import text from an RTF file so that it comes in as RTF and not
as a Text Inset?
Is there a properties setting, somewhere?





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Re: Arrow navigation in FM tables

[Peter Gold]

Hi, John:

You can read about customizing FrameMaker's menus and keystrokes in 
Customizing_FrameMaker_Products.pdf in the onlineManuals directory of 
your FrameMaker installation.


When you learn the notation of FrameMaker's universal (unix-originally) 
keystrokes, you'll be able to interpret the codes for table operations, 
and other stuff, too, that's listed in the command files. FrameMaker has 
keystroke sequences that are mostly mnemonic, for almost everything you 
can do with mice and menus.


Briefly, for some table operations:

NOTE: In this notation, ! represents the Escape key.
NOTE: To perform an action, tap the keys in sequence; don't hold them 
down in combinations.

NOTE: Case matters.

To move around in a table:

! t m r (table move insertion pointer right one cell)
! t m l (table move insertion pointer left one cell) (l is lowercase ell)

To select in a table:

NOTE: To get the best mnemonic value from these sequences, think of 
Highlight rather than Select


! t h e (table highlight entry; that is, current cell)
! t h r (table highlight row)
! t h t (table highlight table)


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

John Pilla wrote:
I recall (among other custom) configurations, 
that when I last used FM (5.5) I was able to customize a file, 
and thus enable using the arrow keys to navigate within an FM table. 

(Why Adobe continues to leave this out - is a mystery to me.) 

However, that was about 7 years ago. 
So can someone refer me to where, if any - this is documented, 
or how I might go about configuring FM to enable this? 

Thanks. 
  


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Frame 6 crashes on WinXP with edited fmdlg.dll file

[Dave Reynolds]

Hi folks

Just posting this in case anyone else has had the same problem.  I 
received a new PC late last year and had to reinstall all my software, 
updates, patches, etc.  I also changed at this time from Win2k to 
WinXP.  I duly installed Frame 6, plus the updates for 405 and XP, plus 
my own customisations (keyboard shortcuts, maker.ini, plug-ins, etc).  
All was well until last week when I tried to open a Frame file with 
missing referenced graphics.  I selected to skip the graphics, and Frame 
crashed.  To cut a long story short, I uninstalled Frame, then 
reinstalled it, making sure I did install the 405 and XP patches, then 
installed my customisations.  I then tried to open the same file and got 
the same result - Frame crashed. 

At this point I remembered that after the first crash, I thought I might 
have forgotten to install the XP patch after I got the new PC.  At that 
point I tried installing it again, and it came up with an error about a 
file not being as expected.  I was pretty sure the file it mentioned was 
fmdlg.dll, so I then suspected that the crash might have happened 
because I have edited fmdlg.dll to increase the size of some dialogue 
boxes (using Resource Hacker).  I replaced my edited fmdlg.dll file with 
the original file and opened the Frame file with missing graphics 
again.  I chose to skip the missing files and it opened with no 
problems.  I went back to my edited fmdlg.dll file and Frame crashed.


I've chosen to keep my edited fmdlg.dll file as the expanded dialogue 
boxes are very useful.  But now I know I can change back to the original 
if I need to open a file with missing graphics.


Has anyone else encountered this problem, or know of a way around it?  
Is it fixed in Frame 7?  I presume not many people have hacked around 
with the fmdlg.dll file, so I may be the only person to come across this 
problem?


Regards

Dave

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Re: Frame's future

[Bill Swallow]

Except for the fibbing part. I don't advocate saying you know
something you don't, even if learning it is a non-issue. I advocate
being up front about it and talk about the tech stuff you do know.
Many times companies will then agree that tools are easy to learn and
that the concepts are transferable from one tool to another.

On 3/8/07, Sean Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks Bill, we agree!


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Re: Arrow navigation in FM tables

[John Pilla]

Thanks, your e-mail sparked my ever getting older memory, 
this is what I now recall doing (7 years, ago). 
I had created an extensive   CustomUI   file, and I had lots of 
customization's. 
Like arrow key navigation in tables, 
and Font size  style drop-downs akin to MSWord, etc. 
 
~ John ~ 
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MRO Software (An IBM Company) 
Phn: +1.781.280.2003, Fax: +1.781.280.2201 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
Maximo 5 Certified, Maximo 6 Certified EAM 
Foundation Certificate in IT Service Management 
 


John Pilla wrote:
 I recall (among other custom) configurations, 
 that when I last used FM (5.5) I was able to customize a file, 
 and thus enable using the arrow keys to navigate within an FM table. 
 
 (Why Adobe continues to leave this out - is a mystery to me.) 
 
 However, that was about 7 years ago. 
 So can someone refer me to where, if any - this is documented, 
 or how I might go about configuring FM to enable this? 

John,

Read the Online Manual, Customizing Frame Products (in  your FM install 
directory). I think what you need to do is add some lines to a 
customui.cfg file,

Modify MoveIPToPreviousCell   KeySequence /Left 
Modify MoveIPToNextCell   KeySequence /Right 
Modify MoveIPToCellAbove  KeySequence /Up 
Modify MoveIPToCellBelow  KeySequence /Down 

HTH,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: Frame 6 crashes on WinXP with edited fmdlg.dll file

[Van Boening, Tammy]

Is this the patch that you might have forgotten to install?

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=1420 


HTH,

TVB

Tammy L. Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
303-729-7733
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:22 PM
To: FrameUsers List; Free Framers
Subject: Frame 6 crashes on WinXP with edited fmdlg.dll file

Hi folks

Just posting this in case anyone else has had the same problem.  I
received a new PC late last year and had to reinstall all my software,
updates, patches, etc.  I also changed at this time from Win2k to WinXP.
I duly installed Frame 6, plus the updates for 405 and XP, plus my own
customisations (keyboard shortcuts, maker.ini, plug-ins, etc).  
All was well until last week when I tried to open a Frame file with
missing referenced graphics.  I selected to skip the graphics, and Frame
crashed.  To cut a long story short, I uninstalled Frame, then
reinstalled it, making sure I did install the 405 and XP patches, then
installed my customisations.  I then tried to open the same file and got
the same result - Frame crashed. 

At this point I remembered that after the first crash, I thought I might
have forgotten to install the XP patch after I got the new PC.  At that
point I tried installing it again, and it came up with an error about a
file not being as expected.  I was pretty sure the file it mentioned was
fmdlg.dll, so I then suspected that the crash might have happened
because I have edited fmdlg.dll to increase the size of some dialogue
boxes (using Resource Hacker).  I replaced my edited fmdlg.dll file with
the original file and opened the Frame file with missing graphics again.
I chose to skip the missing files and it opened with no problems.  I
went back to my edited fmdlg.dll file and Frame crashed.

I've chosen to keep my edited fmdlg.dll file as the expanded dialogue
boxes are very useful.  But now I know I can change back to the original
if I need to open a file with missing graphics.

Has anyone else encountered this problem, or know of a way around it?  
Is it fixed in Frame 7?  I presume not many people have hacked around
with the fmdlg.dll file, so I may be the only person to come across this
problem?

Regards

Dave

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Senior Technical Author   Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632
Tait Electronics Ltd  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Frame output scales incorrectly - corrupt joboptions file?

[Dov Isaacs]

There is nothing in the joboptions file that provides
any option for scaling of page sizes. Distiller opens
the .joboptions files read-only. Furthermore, if those
files were corrupted, closing down everything and
reopening would not make the problem go away.

Exactly how are you producing the PDF file? 
Save as PDF? Printing directly to the Adobe PDF PostScript
printer driver instance? Somehow (how? driver? options? etc.?)
producing a PostScript file and manually force feeding it 
to the Distiller (yum, yum)?

- Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Karen Mardahl
 Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:23 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Frame output scales incorrectly - corrupt joboptions file?
 
 Hi
 
 I have an annoyance, not really a problem, with my Frame 
 7.1p116 on XP and Distiller 7.0.7.
 
 My PDF is distilled at 1439% or 1398% or some such random, 
 4-digit figure. After several normal print jobs, something 
 cracks, and I get this mess. Closing down everything and 
 reopening makes the bug go away.
 
 I am alert to the problem so I view the Print dialog 
 carefully - I swear! It always says 100% in the scale box. 
 That is why I suspect Distiller. I feel that I have to assume 
 FM generates a .ps file that is going to produce output 
 scaled to 100%, and that Distiller chews it up somehow.
 
 Or...?
 
 Ideas as to the whereabouts of this annoyance? I can go for 
 months without a sign, but now I had the problem twice in one 
 day. My Acrobat is 7.0.9, but that cannot possibly be the 
 culprit, can it?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 regards, Karen Mardahl
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Navigate Back?

[Hales-Crotchett, Nicole]

Quick question; I'm running Frame 7.1, unstructured. Is there a magic
keystroke to go back to the source after clicking a cross reference?

Thanks-
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RE: Navigate Back? SOLVED

[Hales-Crotchett, Nicole]

 Never mind. A very nice Framer let me know this came up last week and
he clued me in on the keystroke. I apologize for the bandwidth! What can
I say? It's been a terribly long week.

Cheers all!
Nicole


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Subject: Navigate Back?

Quick question; I'm running Frame 7.1, unstructured. Is there a magic
keystroke to go back to the source after clicking a cross reference?

Thanks-
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Re: Arrow navigation in FM tables

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Stuart,

With this modification, you are able to navigate
in tables with the arrow keys - but navigating
within paragraphs is then no more possible.

There's a free FrameScript TableNavigation.fsl
available: http://www.itl.eu/108.0.html#c400
that lets you navigate within tables with the
arrow keys.
(Unfortunately, currently only the german site is
online.)

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Stuart Rogers
Date: 08.03.2007 20:23
 John,
 
 Read the Online Manual, Customizing Frame Products (in  your FM install 
 directory). I think what you need to do is add some lines to a 
 customui.cfg file,
 
 Modify MoveIPToPreviousCell   KeySequence /Left 
 Modify MoveIPToNextCell   KeySequence /Right 
 Modify MoveIPToCellAbove  KeySequence /Up 
 Modify MoveIPToCellBelow  KeySequence /Down 
 
 HTH,
 
 --
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 Technical Communicator
 Phoenix Geophysics Limited
 Toronto, ON, Canada
 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325


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Hyperlink marker gotcha to be aware of

[hedley . finger]

**BUG**
Hypertext markers in generated files with long strings crash FrameMaker 
7.0p578, 7.1p114 , 7.2p158

Steps to reproduce bug:
 1. Create a book with a number of components, including a test-target 
file which is nested deeply in folders so that its relative pathname from 
the *.book file's folder exceeds 143 characters.
 2. Apply a custom condition format to some text in this file.
 3. Generate an index of condition tags with Hypertext markers added to 
entries.
 4. Ensure the test target file is closed.
 5. Open the index of conditions generated file and Ctrl-Alt-click the 
entry pointing to the test target file. FrameMaker crashes.
 6. Choose File  Open and open the test target file.
 7. Repeat Step 5.  FrameMaker crashes.
 Results:
FrameMaker crashes as described above.
 Expected results:
The test-target file should open and display the hightlighted condition 
format. Other Hypertext markers with instruction strings less than 143 
characters do not crash FrameMaker. 
 Comment:
The fact that three versions of FrameMaker crash, and the test-target file 
can be opened in the normal fashion in all three suggests that the file is 
not faulty but that somehow a bug is provoked by an instruction string in 
Hypertext markers that is longer than approx. 143 characters.  One would 
expect that an attempt to create an instruction string longer than 255 
characters would provoke a crash or other unexpected behaviour but the 
string length is well short of this well-known limit.
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MYOB Australia Pty Ltd http://myob.com/au
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
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mailto:hedleyDOTfingerATmyobDOTcom
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The living dead: RoboHelp for FrameMaker walks among us!

[hedley . finger]

http://www.adobe.com/support/robohelpframemaker/downloads.html

No doubt this link had already been posted on the lists and I'm the last 
to know -- as usual.
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Training Content Developer and Tools Specialist
MYOB Australia Pty Ltd http://myob.com/au
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia
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Re: Frame Improvements

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:40:43 -0500, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

The easiest way to clean them up is to wash the file by saving to
MIF and opening and saving that version.

omsys.com has a utility program that does these steps for you.

Actually, it's not a separate utility, it's part of our main
plugin.  You can obtain the free unlimited demo version at:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
and install at least the Frame plugin DLLs (two of them).
Then Wash Via MIF will appear on your File menu, and
you can do it for all files in a book with one click using 
Shift-File from a book.  There are other handy utilities in 
there too... like our automation tool, runfm.  All free.

And Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plug-in is a must-have if you're going
to be working with tables very much.

I totally agree.  In fact, I think there's a much better chance 
that Rick's plugin will fix the OP's problem than that Wash Via 
MIF will...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: Import RTF

[William Abernathy]

You can also copy and Paste Special in RTF format, if that's not too cumbersome. 
That's how I import tables from Word docs.


--William

Art Campbell wrote:
The easiest way to do this is to Open, not import, the source .RTF file 
in FM.


So, first, in FM, Open the .RTF file. Next, to remove hidden Word
characters, save the file in FM as a MIF format file. Finally, open
the (now clean) MIF file and cut and paste whatever you need into your
destination FM file.

Use the FM Paragraph Designer's Global Update tool to change all tags
of one type to another type.

Art



On 3/8/07, John Pilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello, all;
We are in the process of converting older Word documents into FrameMaker.
After stripping and cleaning unwanted old Information Mapping formatting
from Word, saving as RTF . . .
When I import one of the RTF files into our new FrameMaker template file,
the old document comes in as a Text Inset and not as the desired RTF . 
. .


We use File | Import.  And select  Retain Source File Formatting so we
can use  a Find and Replace on the standard para Styles from Word to the
new Tags in FM template.
However, after importing, because it comes in as a Text Inset, I then 
have

to select  the Text Inset Properties from the Edit menu,
and convert to text.
When we do this, we loose all text in the tables.

How can I import text from an RTF file so that it comes in as RTF and not
as a Text Inset?
Is there a properties setting, somewhere?


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Re: The living dead: RoboHelp for FrameMaker walks among us!

[Bill Swallow]

I think you jumped the gun. They appear to be old service release
notes. As far as the main RHFM product page states, it's still
discontinued as of July 21, 2004.

On 3/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://www.adobe.com/support/robohelpframemaker/downloads.html

No doubt this link had already been posted on the lists and I'm the last
to know -- as usual.


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Conditions that won't go away

[rebecca officer]

I have dim memories of a plug-in for clearing condition tags from
books.

Failing that, you can delete the tag out of the book by saving the book
as a MIF file, opening it in a text editor, searching for the tag's
definition in the condition catalog, and deleting it.

After you've done that, check that the tag hasn't snuck back into your
files. Also check generated files, backups (delete the book backup
file), templates etc.

It can be really hard to get rid of a condition tag permanently!

Cheers, Rebecca


>>> "Martinek, Carla"  8/03/07 04:55 >>>
OK, I'm stumped.  Here's the situation:

I used Framescript to rename a conditional tag before I send a set of
book files out to someone else (renamed it to something making more
sense.)  For this email, consider the tags as OLDTAG and NEWTAG.

I then deleted all unused condition tags using the PGFWhopper plugin.
OLDTAG showed as one of the tags that was deleted, and OLDTAG no
longer
exists in ANY document in the book (I checked each file to make sure).
When I check the text with the condition applied, it shows as NEWTAG

However, when I go to show/hide conditions at the book level, OLDTAG
still shows there, and NEWTAG does not.  I've generated/updated the
book
file, saved all the files, closed and restarted Frame, and it's still
happening.

Any suggestions?


-Carla

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looking for a way to automate alignment in tables

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

Cybele:

Just create a special para format just for that column.  Then set a 
decimal tab for that para font and, in the Numbering tab of the Paragraph 
Designer, insert a single tab \t as the "number".  Now any figures typed 
into that para format will always align on the decimal tab.

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Frame's future

[Sean Pollock]

When in doubt, fib. You can almost always get an evaluation version of, or
book on, the tool for which a company requires knowledge. If you know XML,
the tool usually isn't going to be that hard to learn.

I got my first tech writing job with no knowledge of Frame in 1997 and was
training others a month later. I'm no Einstein, I just looked up the
information I needed.

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Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 9:06 PM
To: 'Frame Users'; 'Free Framers List'
Subject: RE: Frame's future

At 8:29 PM -0500 3/4/07, Sean Pollock wrote:
>Why be afraid of Frame's possible demise? XML is the future, and Frame is
>just a tool, and should never be the source. There will be (actually,
>already are) new tools, Frame ain't all that anyway. Seems like I've been
>using it forever--I look forward to the day that something else will
improve
>on it.
>
>Sean Pollock
>UGS Corp.

What concerns me is that many of these tools are Enterprise level. 
Meaning that they are too expensive to be purchased by a single 
person, and often require a server from which to run. What that 
means, is that companies will segregate writers into those who know 
the tools, and those who don't. If you want to get a job, you have to 
know the tools. Most companies don't want to teach you to use them. 
They want you to know them already. They won't care if you know XML 
or SGML. They will focus on the tool.

Scott
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Conditions that won't go away

[David Schor]

Carla,

Perhaps OLDTAG appears somewhere on a master page or a reference page, such
as a TOC file.

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On 3/7/07, Martinek, Carla  wrote:
>
> OK, I'm stumped.  Here's the situation:
>
> I used Framescript to rename a conditional tag before I send a set of
> book files out to someone else (renamed it to something making more
> sense.)  For this email, consider the tags as OLDTAG and NEWTAG.
>
> I then deleted all unused condition tags using the PGFWhopper plugin.
> OLDTAG showed as one of the tags that was deleted, and OLDTAG no longer
> exists in ANY document in the book (I checked each file to make sure).
> When I check the text with the condition applied, it shows as NEWTAG
>
> However, when I go to show/hide conditions at the book level, OLDTAG
> still shows there, and NEWTAG does not.  I've generated/updated the book
> file, saved all the files, closed and restarted Frame, and it's still
> happening.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> -Carla
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Frame output scales incorrectly - corrupt joboptions file?

[Karen Mardahl]

Hi

I have an annoyance, not really a problem, with my Frame 7.1p116 on XP
and Distiller 7.0.7.

My PDF is distilled at 1439% or 1398% or some such random, 4-digit
figure. After several normal print jobs, something cracks, and I get
this mess. Closing down everything and reopening makes the bug go
away.

I am alert to the problem so I view the Print dialog carefully - I
swear! It always says 100% in the scale box. That is why I suspect
Distiller. I feel that I have to assume FM generates a .ps file that
is going to produce output scaled to 100%, and that Distiller chews it
up somehow.

Or...?

Ideas as to the whereabouts of this annoyance? I can go for months
without a sign, but now I had the problem twice in one day. My Acrobat
is 7.0.9, but that cannot possibly be the culprit, can it?

Thanks in advance.

regards, Karen Mardahl

PDF bookmarks

[Shlomo Perets]

Shmuel,

You wrote:

>Is there any way to have a PDF show you where you are in the bookmark pane 
>when you page down or click a cross-reference.


Unfortunately, it seems that the answer is "no".

Starting with Acrobat/Reader 6, collapsed parent bookmarks are not 
displayed differently to indicate that one of their subordinate bookmarks 
corresponds to the currently-viewed page.

And even if all bookmarks levels are expanded (not recommended in general), 
Acrobat does not automatically scroll the bookmark pane to match the 
corresponding page location (as it does with the thumbnails pane).


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers/Assistants

Table Question (wrapping onto 2nd page)

[rebecca officer]

Your first 3 rows are probably heading rows, even if they look like body
rows. Click in one, then look at the info bar at the bottom left to see.
Heading rows automatically repeat. If so, add body rows below your
repeated rows, put the content into them, then delete the repeating
rows.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> Jonathan Pechta  03/08/07 1:31 AM >>>
Greetings all,

I have a table question that I can not seem to resolve (Frame 6.0). I 
have a table where the first 3 rows are duplicating themselves on the 
next page when the table wraps across a page separator.

Is there a way to remove this wrapping effect, or is this a bug in FM6.0

and I need to make a secondary table for the information flowing onto 
the next page?

Thanks for the help,

-- 
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Welding Technology Corp.
24775 Crestview Court
Farmington Hills, MI 48335
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(1) Numbering issues with anchored frames (2) Changing numbering in a book

[Steve Rickaby]

Donna... forgive me for ignoring the rest of your post: I've not had my morning 
intravenous caffeine injection yet.

>-> How bad is it to have 2 chapters in one file? I don't mind to split the 
>file. I'm asking purely out of curiosity, and I already brace myself for the 
>outcry this question might provoke.

Much badness. FrameMaker's 'simple' book numbering approach - as opposed to the 
more complex methods used prior to Version 5.5 - is based on the $chapnum 
variable, and this mandates one chapter per file. Do yourself a favor - split 
the chapters.

The only case I can think of where you would not want to use numbering based on 
$chapnum and restarting para numbering for each chapter is if you explicitly 
needed to carry one or more numbering threads right through a book, or needed 
to have a numbering thread that was reset asynchronously with chapters.

Your point (1) was dealt with here recently: check the archives.

(2) Suggest you use $volnum for part numbering.

>Last but not least, all these Lists of ? are taking up too much space.  The 
>closest that I could move them together is to start each file on the next 
>available page. Is it possible to have all the List of Figures, Tables, and 
>Paragraphs in one file but as three separate lists?

You can set up FrameMaker to start on the next available page. Afaik the only 
way to have them all in the same file is to manually combine them after final 
book generation - and that will snarf your page numbering unless you are 
careful.

On a general point, there are some extremely good white papers about FrameMaker 
numbering available from the Mother Ship, www.frameusers.com.

-- 
Steve

Frame Improvements

[Art Campbell]

Are you seeing this on screen, in .pdf, and/or print?

Art

On 3/6/07, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
> Are all these bugs, or am I doing something wrong?
> There seem to be several bugs in table ruling:
>
> - When a heading row repeats on 2 or more pages, the ruling at the
> bottom of the table, and underneath the header row row are not always
> the correct ruling style. I have to apply the ruling manually.
>
> - When I apply custom ruling and shading, to a row and select only the
> Bottom and Top checkboxes, the ruling is often applied to the left and
> right sides of the cell.
>
> - When I try to apply custom ruling to the top of a cell, it often does
> not work until I go into the bottom cell and select Top, and then select
> go into the top cell and select Bottom.
>
> FrameMaker is still better than Word, but for the price you pay I think
> they should fix these bugs. The ruling bugs are particularly annoying.
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
>

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Numbering

[Art Campbell]

First, whatever font you're using in your Subject isn't translating well

On 3/5/07, Dona Mommsen  wrote:
> Hi,


> (1) This book has a numbering issue with anchored frames.
> The numbering setting  is to continue the numbering from the previous
> paragraph in the book, and it is consistent in the book and in each
> document. However, this does not work when the first occurrence of the
> paragraph happens to be in an anchored frame. In that case Frame
> stubbornly restarts numbering for that paragraph / tag, and it happens
> for paragraphs containing any numbering tag. As soon as I enter the
> same paragraph format in the flow (somewhere before the anchored frame)
> the numbering continues correctly. Any ideas or workarounds?

Anchored frames are outside the main flow. The easiest solution is to
number outside them.


>
> (2) In addition, I'd like to make a number of numbering changes. Maybe
> these changes should be done first, because it includes restarting the
> numbering in each chapter, which could make the issue detailed above
> obsolete. However, I'm not sure if there is any order in which I should
> tackle these changes. I'm particularly uncertain if I'm missing
> something about numbering definitions of the book vs. numbering in the
> paragraph format that could get me in trouble.
>
> ?> Introducing Parts should be the easy part:
> Part I: Chapters 1 to 3
> Part II: Chapters 4 to 6
> Part III: Chapters 7 to 8
> I was planning to create a new paragraph tag and to include that in the
> TOC.

Yes. I'd use the <$volnum> variable and control it in the book file.

>
> ?> Change the numbering of Figures and Tables to Chapter?Figure  or
> Chapter?Table, respectively, e.g. Figure1?1. Thus the numbering
> restarts in each chapter.
> I've done the combined numbering in the Appendix, with a structure of
> empty brackets in the auto-numbering format,
> e.g. A:.< >< >< >\t
> Should I do the same for the main chapters 1 through 8, or is there
> something that I'm missing about the chapter numbering definition of
> the book?

Make sure to use a different numbering track, not A: and you should be fine.
You could also set this up at the book level, really the preferred
method, using the <$chapnum> or <$volnum> variables instead of your
active counter.

> Please note that I have multiple paragraph tags for Figures and Tables,
> so there are 2 numbering tags but 5 paragraph tags in total: Figure,
> FigureWithSource, TableTitle, TableTitleWithSource, and another
> paragraph tag for the Figures  that are split into panels. The 'with
> source' paragraphs have a different spacing, ruler and 'next paragraph'
> property, because they are followed by a paragraph indicating the
> source. However, they are using the same numbering tag, so there are
> only 2 numbering  tags, one for Figures and one for Tables. Also, the
> paragraph tag for split Figures with panels numbered 1a), 1b) uses the
> same numbering tag. However, these  panels are not included in the List
> of Figures. The caption for the whole figure that gets into the LOF is
> either a paragraph Figure or  FigureWithSource.
> Again, the goal it to change the numbering to Chapter?Figure  or
> Chapter?Table,  respectively. I guess that I can handle that with the
> correct structure in the  empty-brackets-approach, where Figure and
> FigureWithSource have to use the same item in the list. To get the
> 'Figures with panels',  I'll probably need another item in the
> structure. Again, the question is whether there is a better way of
> doing this, using the chapter numbering definition in the book? Is it
> possible to use a variable definition like <$chapnum> in the
> auto-numbering of a paragraph tag?

Sure, use <$chapnum> for this -- that's what it's designed for. But it
would only replace the set of brackets you're using for chapter
numbering.

>
> ?> I'm also grateful for any tips how to make these changes across the
> book without FrameScript.

Setting the numbering at the book level and using the <$chapnum> and
<$volnum> variables would be the easiest way to do it. If you have to
redo tags, you'd just import the new formats into multiple files at
once, again at the book level.

>
> ?> How bad is it to have 2 chapters in one file? I don't mind to split
> the file. I'm asking purely out of curiosity, and I already brace
> myself for the outcry this question might provoke.

It's fairly standard procedure. That's why the numbering properties in
the book file allow you to set the numbering for multiple files to the
same chapter number... It's also one additional reason to use the
<$chapnum> variable.  The file=chapter thing is just human tidiness --
the computer doesn't care.


>
> Last but not least, all these Lists of ? are taking up too much space.
> The closest that I could move them together is to start each file on
> the next available page. Is it possible to have all the List of
> Figures, Tables, and Paragraphs in one file but as three separate
> lists?

Frame Improvements

[Yves Barbion]

Indeed, FrameMaker's Table features are one of the most powerful and
reliable around.

The only times when I experienced "weird" behavior of tables was when I had
tables in FrameMaker which were imported from ...ahem... MS-Weird. But hey,
luckily we have the TableCleaner plug-in, which makes tables behave properly
again: Remove Custom Ruling & Shading > From All Tables in Document and
there you go.

For more information about TableCleaner:
http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm




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Conditions that won't go away - solution(s)

[Martinek, Carla]

Summary of the problem and solution: 

1.  I used a Framescript to change all text tagged with OLDTAG 
to being tagged with NEWTAG.  No text in any of the files is 
tagged with OLDTAG at this time.

2.  As the condition OLDTAG still existed in each file, I deleted 
that unused condition from each and every file using PGFWhopper
plugin 
from CudSpan. OLDTAG does not exist in any of the files any more,
including on the master pages. The OLDTAG condition has been 
verified as being deleted from each and every file.

3.  If I show/hide conditional text at the individual file level,
NEWTAG is available, and OLDTAG is not, as I expect it to happen.

4.  If I show/hide conditional text at the BOOK level, OLDTAG is
available, but NEWTAG is not, which is *not* what I expect to
happen.
NEWTAG should be available at the book level show/hide, and OLDTAG
should not show at all as it has been deleted.

5.  I tried saving the book file to MIF, but that did not work.  I also
tried closing out of FrameMaker and restarting, and that did not
work.
The book file refused to give up references to OLDTAG and recognize
NEWTAG.

WORKING SOLUTION: 
--SB's suggestion to make a new book file and move my files to that
worked great.  Yeah!!

Also received these suggestions, but did not try them at this time:
--Save the book file as MIF, open it in text editor, and remove the
references to OLDTAG.
--Import my template file into all of the files in the book again.

-Carla

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Opening SGML

[Serge De Beil]

Hello,

For a new project, we receive a SGML file from our customer.
This SGML file is an export from a database.
What do I need to "parse" this SGML file to Framemaker?

What I've tried is following:
I start Framemaker in Structured Mode.
When I "open" the SGML file, I just get a plain text with all the  
SGML codes in it.
When I use the "Parse Structured Document" function, I'm asked which  
Structured Application I want to use (DocBook, DocBook 2.1, XDocBook  
and XHTML).
I choose one of them, and then I get an error "Could not find  
external document type ".

What do I need to open or parse the SGML file in a way that I get a  
decent document with all SGML codes 'interpreted'?

Many thanks in advance.
Serge

[ANN] Adobe Captivate Workshop at Documentation and Training Vancouver

[Scott Abel]

Don't miss "Adobe Captivate", a half-day workshop with Neil Perlin at  
the Documentation and Training UX Conference, April 18-21, 2007.   
Held in beautiful Vancouver, British Columbia, the theme of the 8th  
Annual Documentation & Training Conference is The User Experience.  
The event features sessions and workshops that help technical  
communication pros improve the usefulness of the products they create.

Learn more: http://www.doctrain.com
Download the program (PDF): http://www.doctrain.com/images/uploads/ 
doctrain_ux.pdf

Adobe Captivate
Speaker: Neil PerlinTime: 8AM - 12PM  21 April 2007
Track: Workshops

For years, software training was largely text-based? paste screen  
shots into a document, add some text with descriptions and  
instructions, and voila!  The result worked, but how much more  
effective might it be if ?someone? actually ?walked you through the  
steps? on the screen?  That?s where Captivate comes in, letting you  
create that ?someone?.

Captivate?s primary use is to help capture what?s on the screen as  
you perform a software-based task, such as using a feature in Word.   
That series of screen shots is effectively a set of frames, which  
users can play back as a movie to show them how to perform the task.   
To make the movie more useful, you can add explanations and  
instructions in text or audio form, special effects, even  
interactivity features that let simulate real software operations.   
With these features, Captivate lets you create demonstrations, sales  
training simulations, marketing presentations, tutorials, even fairly  
sophisticated eLearning.  With a few tweaks, you can even use  
Captivate as an ad hoc usability test recorder.

Adding to Captivate?s power is the fact that the movies are based on  
Flash, but you don?t have to know Flash or touch a line of code.   
Better still, Captivate is quick and easy to learn compared to  
traditional CBT authoring tools ? two days to get up and running, and  
cheap ? US$600.

This workshop provides a very quick overview of Captivate?s basic  
features in order to provide an overview of the tool as a whole.  In  
a busy four hours, you?ll:

 * Look at uses for Captivate.
 * Design and plan a movie.
 * Record a movie to be used as a demonstration.
 * Enhance a movie with text captions and other frame  
?annotation? features.
 * Publish the finished movie.
 * Look at some advanced features.


Learning Objectives

 * Define potential uses for Captivate in your company.
 * Understand major planning and design issues involved in  
creating a movie.
 * Record a new movie.
 * Use various features to explain and expand upon the contents  
of your frames.
 * Publish the movie in SWF (Flash) and Word output.

The only prerequisites are a basic knowledge of Windows, Internet  
Explorer, and PC skills in general.

Skills - A basic knowledge of Windows, Internet Explorer, and PC  
skills in general.

Laptop required.

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Opening SGML

[Mike Feimster]

Serge,

Did your customer give you a structured application with the SGML file?
(The structured application consists of at least an EDD and application
definition. It can also include Read/Write rules, and a template, and
maybe even some other things.) If so, you'll need to use that. If not,
you'll need to create one.

Mike

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Subject: Opening SGML

Hello,

For a new project, we receive a SGML file from our customer.
This SGML file is an export from a database.
What do I need to "parse" this SGML file to Framemaker?

What I've tried is following:
I start Framemaker in Structured Mode.
When I "open" the SGML file, I just get a plain text with all the  
SGML codes in it.
When I use the "Parse Structured Document" function, I'm asked which  
Structured Application I want to use (DocBook, DocBook 2.1, XDocBook  
and XHTML).
I choose one of them, and then I get an error "Could not find  
external document type ".

What do I need to open or parse the SGML file in a way that I get a  
decent document with all SGML codes 'interpreted'?

Many thanks in advance.
Serge

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Frame's future

[Shmuel Wolfson]

As new tools come out, companies will not expect you to know more than 
the most common ones. There is a lot more to technical writing than the 
authoring tool.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



quills at airmail.net wrote:
> At 8:29 PM -0500 3/4/07, Sean Pollock wrote:
>> Why be afraid of Frame's possible demise? XML is the future, and 
>> Frame is
>> just a tool, and should never be the source. There will be (actually,
>> already are) new tools, Frame ain't all that anyway. Seems like I've 
>> been
>> using it forever--I look forward to the day that something else will 
>> improve
>> on it.
>>
>> Sean Pollock
>> UGS Corp.
>
> What concerns me is that many of these tools are Enterprise level. 
> Meaning that they are too expensive to be purchased by a single 
> person, and often require a server from which to run. What that means, 
> is that companies will segregate writers into those who know the 
> tools, and those who don't. If you want to get a job, you have to know 
> the tools. Most companies don't want to teach you to use them. They 
> want you to know them already. They won't care if you know XML or 
> SGML. They will focus on the tool.
>
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Frame Improvements - table ruling

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Yes, apparently most people have not experienced the table ruling issues 
that I have. So I take back what I said.

I should have said, table ruling does not work correctly on my system, 
which is a much harder problem for Adobe to respond to.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



William Gaffga wrote:
> I'm not an Adobe employee but I'll bite.
> First off, that is a VERY open statement. What about table ruling does 
> not work? I've never seen an issue where it does not work correctly, 
> except where it was my fault, such as a manual override that I can 
> easily clear out. Generally speaking, FM's tables are about the best 
> thing out there and I don't believe I've ever heard someone complain 
> about them.
>
> Will.
>
> -- 
> Wil Gaffga
> In Charge of All Things Documentation
> Gibbs and Associates
> Not Far Enough From L.A.
>
> On Mar 4, 2007, at 2:33 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>
>> - Table ruling does not work correctly. Please fix it.
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Frame Improvements

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Thanks. That may be the problem. The company I worked for used to use 
Word, and switched to Frame before I came. It's possible that the tables 
were imported.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Yves Barbion wrote:
> Indeed, FrameMaker's Table features are one of the most powerful and
> reliable around.
>
> The only times when I experienced "weird" behavior of tables was when 
> I had
> tables in FrameMaker which were imported from ...ahem... MS-Weird. But 
> hey,
> luckily we have the TableCleaner plug-in, which makes tables behave 
> properly
> again: Remove Custom Ruling & Shading > From All Tables in Document and
> there you go.
>
> For more information about TableCleaner:
> http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm
>
>
>
>

How Do I Create Alphabetical List?

[Roger Bell]

I am working on a reports guide. I will have a TOC, but I also want
another generated list of reports by name and page number. Each Heading
2 in the guide is the name of a report. Can I do this without having to
insert markers for each Heading 2?

Thanks in advance for any ideas. I am using version 7.2.

Thanks,
Roger Bell
Technical Writer
770-246-2300 x1181
VCG, Inc.
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Frame Improvements

[Yves Barbion]

I had a sneaky suspicion.

;-)



On 3/8/07, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
>
> Thanks. That may be the problem. The company I worked for used to use
> Word, and switched to Frame before I came. It's possible that the tables
> were imported.
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
>
>
>
> Yves Barbion wrote:
> > Indeed, FrameMaker's Table features are one of the most powerful and
> > reliable around.
> >
> > The only times when I experienced "weird" behavior of tables was when
> > I had
> > tables in FrameMaker which were imported from ...ahem... MS-Weird. But
> > hey,
> > luckily we have the TableCleaner plug-in, which makes tables behave
> > properly
> > again: Remove Custom Ruling & Shading > From All Tables in Document and
> > there you go.
> >
> > For more information about TableCleaner:
> > http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



-- 
Yves Barbion
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor

How Do I Create Alphabetical List?

[Yves Barbion]

Yes you can, Roger.

Add > List of > Elements & Paragraphs (Alphabetical) > Include Heading 2 >
Add.

There you go.



-- 
Yves Barbion
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor

Frame Improvements

[Bill Swallow]

> - When a heading row repeats on 2 or more pages, the ruling at the
> bottom of the table, and underneath the header row row are not always
> the correct ruling style. I have to apply the ruling manually.

I think it has to do with your table style definitions.

> - When I apply custom ruling and shading, to a row and select only the
> Bottom and Top checkboxes, the ruling is often applied to the left and
> right sides of the cell.

Shading will be cell specific, not orientation specific.

> - When I try to apply custom ruling to the top of a cell, it often does
> not work until I go into the bottom cell and select Top, and then select
> go into the top cell and select Bottom.

This is how tables work. Each cell has a top and a bottom... So you
need to ensure that your bottom definition doesn't counter your top
definition and vice versa.

> FrameMaker is still better than Word, but for the price you pay I think
> they should fix these bugs. The ruling bugs are particularly annoying.

I don't think they're bugs. Then again, I don't see what you see and
have no insight into what you're doing other than your written
perspective.

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
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FYI: MS Communicator

[Mary Sheahan]

Hi folks,

Something I've discovered the hard way, and I wanted
to let others know as an FYI.

Problem: On Windows 2000, FM7.1 has intermittent
startup problems with MS Communicator.

Solution: when you can't open from Windows Explorer by
doubleclicking the filename, solution is to exit
communicator, then go into the Windows Task manager
under the Processes tab and manually stop
'communicator.exe'.

Now back to lurking,
Mary




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How Do I Create Alphabetical List?

[Yves Barbion]

You're welcome, Roger.

Well, you're next question is a nice feature request. ;-)

However, there are two workarounds:

Workaround 1

   1. In your FM source document, type the letters of the alphabet, each
   of them in a separate paragraph and give them a dedicated paragraph tag, for
   example H0. You can make them white or put them in a separate text frame
   outside the print area (or put a white rectangle on top of them).
   2. Generate the alphabetical paragraph list and include H0. H0 will
   have the paragraph tag H0APL in the alphabetical paragraph list.
   3. You can change the reference page, so that the <$pagenum> is
   omitted for H0APL.
   4. Modify the H0APL paragraph tag, so that they look like Group Titles
   of an index.


Workaround 2: use custom markers and Index Generator (IXGen)

   1. Create a custom marker, for example "report".
   2. Use Index Generator to put report markers on all H2 headings.
   3. Generate an index of report markers (IOM). There, you will
   automatically have Group Titles.

I've done this with no less than 21 different types of markers and it worked
like a charm.

For more information about Index Generator: http://www.fsatools.com/

Good luck and best regards

Yves Barbion
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor




On 3/8/07, Roger Bell  wrote:
>
>  Thanks so much. That worked. One more question: Is it possible to
> automatically create headings as you might have in an index, such as A, B,
> C, etc. so that the results will group by these headings? Or is that a
> manual step I need to take?
>
> Regards,
> *Roger Bell*
> Technical Writer
> VCG Software, Inc.
> http://www.vcgsoftware.com
> (770) 246-2300 x1181
> ***
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> *From:* Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barbion at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:52 AM
> *To:* Roger Bell
> *Cc:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: How Do I Create Alphabetical List?
>
> Yes you can, Roger.
>
> Add > List of > Elements & Paragraphs (Alphabetical) > Include Heading 2 >
> Add.
>
> There you go.
>
>
>
> --
>
>

Frame's future

[Bill Swallow]

> What concerns me is that many of these tools are Enterprise level.
> Meaning that they are too expensive to be purchased by a single
> person, and often require a server from which to run. What that
> means, is that companies will segregate writers into those who know
> the tools, and those who don't. If you want to get a job, you have to
> know the tools. Most companies don't want to teach you to use them.
> They want you to know them already. They won't care if you know XML
> or SGML. They will focus on the tool.

Ah... Fear and Loathing in TechComm. ;-)

1. There are plenty of non-enterprise solutions for lone writers and
such to use to manage XML content.
2. Technology will always win out over tools, period.
3. Some companies will undoubtedly be tool-centric, which is fine. If
they want to overlook you as a candidate/hire based on specific tools
experience and not on technology knowledge and experience, did you
really want to work there in the first place?

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
avid homebrewer and proud beer snob
"I see your OOO message and raise you a clue."

Frame Improvements

[Art Campbell]

The easiest way to clean them up is to "wash" the file by saving to
MIF and opening and saving that version.

omsys.com has a utility program that does these steps for you.

And Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plug-in is a must-have if you're going
to be working with tables very much.

Cheers,
Art

On 3/8/07, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
> Thanks. That may be the problem. The company I worked for used to use
> Word, and switched to Frame before I came. It's possible that the tables
> were imported.
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
>
>
>
> Yves Barbion wrote:
> > Indeed, FrameMaker's Table features are one of the most powerful and
> > reliable around.
> >
> > The only times when I experienced "weird" behavior of tables was when
> > I had
> > tables in FrameMaker which were imported from ...ahem... MS-Weird. But
> > hey,
> > luckily we have the TableCleaner plug-in, which makes tables behave
> > properly
> > again: Remove Custom Ruling & Shading > From All Tables in Document and
> > there you go.
> >
> > For more information about TableCleaner:
> > http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm

-- 
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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How Do I Create Alphabetical List?

[Roger Bell]

Outstanding. I used your first workaround and it works like a charm. 

But you are right that it would be a nice feature request for Adobe to
add. Hope some of their folks are on this list and will take note.

Thanks so much.

Regards,
Roger Bell
Technical Writer
VCG Software, Inc.
http://www.vcgsoftware.com  
(770) 246-2300 x1181
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From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barbion at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:33 AM
To: Roger Bell
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How Do I Create Alphabetical List?


You're welcome, Roger.

Well, you're next question is a nice feature request. ;-) 

However, there are two workarounds:

Workaround 1


1.  In your FM source document, type the letters of the
alphabet, each of them in a separate paragraph and give them a dedicated
paragraph tag, for example H0. You can make them white or put them in a
separate text frame outside the print area (or put a white rectangle on
top of them). 
2.  Generate the alphabetical paragraph list and include H0.
H0 will have the paragraph tag H0APL in the alphabetical paragraph list.

3.  You can change the reference page, so that the
<$pagenum> is omitted for H0APL. 
4.  Modify the H0APL paragraph tag, so that they look like
Group Titles of an index.


Workaround 2: use custom markers and Index Generator (IXGen) 


1.  Create a custom marker, for example "report". 
2.  Use Index Generator to put report markers on all H2
headings. 
3.  Generate an index of report markers (IOM). There, you
will automatically have Group Titles. 

I've done this with no less than 21 different types of markers
and it worked like a charm.

For more information about Index Generator:
http://www.fsatools.com/

Good luck and best regards

Yves Barbion 
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
 




On 3/8/07, Roger Bell  wrote: 

Thanks so much. That worked. One more question: Is it
possible to automatically create headings as you might have in an index,
such as A, B, C, etc. so that the results will group by these headings?
Or is that a manual step I need to take?

Regards,
Roger Bell
Technical Writer
VCG Software, Inc.
http://www.vcgsoftware.com 

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From: Yves Barbion
[mailto:yves.barbion at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:52 AM
To: Roger Bell
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How Do I Create Alphabetical List?


Yes you can, Roger.

Add > List of > Elements & Paragraphs
(Alphabetical) > Include Heading 2 > Add.

There you go.



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Import RTF

[John Pilla]

Hello, all; 
We are in the process of converting older Word documents into FrameMaker. 
After stripping and cleaning unwanted old Information Mapping formatting 
from Word, saving as RTF . . .
When I import one of the RTF files into our new FrameMaker template file, 
the old document comes in as a Text Inset and not as the desired RTF . . . 

We use File | Import.  And select  "Retain Source File Formatting" so we 
can use  a Find and Replace on the standard para Styles from Word to the 
new Tags in FM template. 
However, after importing, because it comes in as a Text Inset, I then have 
to select  the Text Inset Properties from the Edit menu, 
and convert to text. 
When we do this, we loose all text in the tables. 

How can I import text from an RTF file so that it comes in as RTF and not 
as a Text Inset? 
Is there a properties setting, somewhere? 
 
~ John ~ 
Sr. Learning Specialist, Educational Services 
MRO Software (An IBM Company) 
Phn: +1.781.280.2003, Fax: +1.781.280.2201 
John.Pilla at us.ibm.com 
 
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Opening SGML

[Andrew Avis]

> Serge,
> 
> Did your customer give you a structured application with the 
> SGML file?
> (The structured application consists of at least an EDD and 
> application definition. It can also include Read/Write rules, 
> and a template, and maybe even some other things.) If so, 
> you'll need to use that. If not, you'll need to create one.

Further to this, all you really need is the DTD for the original SGML (which
may include an SGML declaration file and entity files, or not).  You can
quickly generate an EDD from the DTD in Frame.  The imported SGML won't look
pretty, but it will parse correctly.  From that point you can refine the EDD
and develop a structured application to convert various elements into Frame
objects like markers, graphics, and tables.

Drew Avis - Technical Writer
QNX Software Systems Ltd.
Ottawa, Ontario

Frame Improvements

[Chris Borokowski]

Many Frame "bugs" come down to user interface
oddities.

In my view, the program is under-utilized, especially
its ability to do structured documents. It could well
be one of the few applications that remains important
into the next generation of computing, since the
market has caught up with it.

Another example: every time I look at Visual Basic, I
think of Hypercard.

--- William Gaffga  wrote:

> I'm not an Adobe employee but I'll bite.







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Frame Improvements

[Chris Borokowski]

Do direct links to the forum work?
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.1de55779

For posting any issue, it's useful to include exact
computer and operating system setup, type of file you
were working on, any add-ons operating, and steps you
took to reach the error condition.

--- Bill Swallow  wrote:

> Post these in the running list on adobeforums.com.







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How Do I Create Alphabetical List?

[Wolfgang Kühn]

Yes,

you can generate a "List of Paragraphs".
"Insert" -> "List of ..." -> "Paragraphs" -> Search "Heading 2" -> "OK"

WoK


Roger Bell schrieb:
> I am working on a reports guide. I will have a TOC, but I also want
> another generated list of reports by name and page number. Each Heading
> 2 in the guide is the name of a report. Can I do this without having to
> insert markers for each Heading 2?
>  
> Thanks in advance for any ideas. I am using version 7.2.
>  
> Thanks,
> Roger Bell
> Technical Writer
> 770-246-2300 x1181
> VCG, Inc.
> The power to succeed.
> www.vcgsoftware.com  
> 1805 Old Alabama Road, Suite 250
> Roswell, GA 30076
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Frame's future

[Chris Borokowski]

Knowing how technology works, I'd prefer to build on a
working, proven platform and expand it to reach new
heights. In other words, why be afraid of FrameMaker
for the future? It's a great product design and
doesn't need changing.

Programs like mySQL may have "eternal" life for the
same reason Frame could. They're the right tools for a
task that will not change so greatly a new paradigm is
required.

Now, afraid of my own demise... another story ;)

> At 8:29 PM -0500 3/4/07, Sean Pollock wrote:
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Arrow navigation in FM tables

[John Pilla]

I recall (among other custom) configurations, 
that when I last used FM (5.5) I was able to customize a file, 
and thus enable using the arrow keys to navigate within an FM table. 

(Why Adobe continues to leave this out - is a mystery to me.) 

However, that was about 7 years ago. 
So can someone refer me to where, if any - this is documented, 
or how I might go about configuring FM to enable this? 

Thanks. 
 
~ John ~ 
Sr. Learning Specialist, Educational Services 
MRO Software (An IBM Company) 
Phn: +1.781.280.2003, Fax: +1.781.280.2201 
John.Pilla at us.ibm.com 
 
Maximo 5 Certified, Maximo 6 Certified EAM 
Foundation Certificate in IT Service Management 
 

Nevermind: Importing RTF into Frame

[John Pilla]

I had originally checked "Copy into Document" when I first worked on a 
project a few weeks, ago. 
After looking more closely, I see that "Import by Reference" was now 
checked. 

Sorry, for submitting too quickly. 
 
~ John ~ 
Sr. Learning Specialist, Educational Services 
MRO Software (An IBM Company) 
Phn: +1.781.280.2003, Fax: +1.781.280.2201 
John.Pilla at us.ibm.com 
 
Maximo 5 Certified, Maximo 6 Certified EAM 
Foundation Certificate in IT Service Management 
 

Table Question (wrapping onto 2nd page)

[Combs, Richard]

Jonathan Pechta wrote:

> I have a table question that I can not seem to resolve (Frame 
> 6.0). I have a table where the first 3 rows are duplicating 
> themselves on the next page when the table wraps across a 
> page separator.

Those 3 rows are heading rows instead of body rows. Tables consist of
one or more body rows plus zero or more heading and footing rows, which
repeat on subsequent pages. You set the initial row counts in the Insert
Table dialog. 

When you add rows, the Add Rows or Columns dialog lets you add rows
Above Selection, Below Selection, To Heading, or To Footing. But here's
the gotcha: if your cursor is in a heading row, Below Selection adds
heading rows below the existing one. To add body rows, the cursor must
be in a body row. 

You can't convert heading rows to body rows (or vice versa). To fix your
existing problem, add 3 body rows to the table. Then copy the contents
of each heading row to a new body row. Finally, delete the unwanted
heading rows. 

HTH!
Richard


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Frame's future

[Sean Pollock]

   Thanks Bill, we agree!

   --Sean Pollock
   __

 From:  "Bill Swallow" 
 To:  "quills at airmail.net" 
 CC:  Frame Users ,Free Framers List
 
 Subject:  Re: Frame's future
 Date:  Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:36:35 -0500
 >>What concerns me is that many of these tools are Enterprise level.
 >>Meaning that they are too expensive to be purchased by a single
 >>person, and often require a server from which to run. What that
 >>means, is that companies will segregate writers into those who know
 >>the tools, and those who don't. If you want to get a job, you have
 >>to
 >>know the tools. Most companies don't want to teach you to use them.
 >>They want you to know them already. They won't care if you know XML
 >>or SGML. They will focus on the tool.
 >
 >Ah... Fear and Loathing in TechComm. ;-)
 >
 >1. There are plenty of non-enterprise solutions for lone writers and
 >such to use to manage XML content.
 >2. Technology will always win out over tools, period.
 >3. Some companies will undoubtedly be tool-centric, which is fine.
 >If
 >they want to overlook you as a candidate/hire based on specific
 >tools
 >experience and not on technology knowledge and experience, did you
 >really want to work there in the first place?
 >
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Adobe Feature Request/Bug Report Form

[Mike Wickham]

Some have recently asked where to go to report bugs or request features. 
Adobe has recently added a form that allows you to do either, or any Adobe 
product:

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

Mike Wickham

Arrow navigation in FM tables

[Stuart Rogers]

John Pilla wrote:
> I recall (among other custom) configurations, 
> that when I last used FM (5.5) I was able to customize a file, 
> and thus enable using the arrow keys to navigate within an FM table. 
> 
> (Why Adobe continues to leave this out - is a mystery to me.) 
> 
> However, that was about 7 years ago. 
> So can someone refer me to where, if any - this is documented, 
> or how I might go about configuring FM to enable this? 

John,

Read the Online Manual, Customizing Frame Products (in  your FM install 
directory). I think what you need to do is add some lines to a 
customui.cfg file,

>
>
>
>

HTH,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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EDIT Busted

[Richard Doll]

With no apparent reason (brown-out/blackout/earthquake/global heat) Edit 
options are gone.

WinXP Pro (ServPk 2)
2 G memory
Frame 7.2 with updates
Dell 490 Workstation
APC Power Protection

The  drop-down (1st one to the right of  lists no options 
(doesen't activate anything).
Thus I have no .
Any fix clues are appreciated.

best to all,
dick doll
sgmlindy at tds.net 

Import RTF

[Art Campbell]

The easiest way to do this is to Open, not import, the source .RTF file in FM.

So, first, in FM, Open the .RTF file. Next, to remove hidden Word
characters, save the file in FM as a MIF format file. Finally, open
the (now clean) MIF file and cut and paste whatever you need into your
destination FM file.

Use the FM Paragraph Designer's Global Update tool to change all tags
of one type to another type.

Art



On 3/8/07, John Pilla  wrote:
> Hello, all;
> We are in the process of converting older Word documents into FrameMaker.
> After stripping and cleaning unwanted old Information Mapping formatting
> from Word, saving as RTF . . .
> When I import one of the RTF files into our new FrameMaker template file,
> the old document comes in as a Text Inset and not as the desired RTF . . .
>
> We use File | Import.  And select  "Retain Source File Formatting" so we
> can use  a Find and Replace on the standard para Styles from Word to the
> new Tags in FM template.
> However, after importing, because it comes in as a Text Inset, I then have
> to select  the Text Inset Properties from the Edit menu,
> and convert to text.
> When we do this, we loose all text in the tables.
>
> How can I import text from an RTF file so that it comes in as RTF and not
> as a Text Inset?
> Is there a properties setting, somewhere?
> 



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EDiT busted - SOLVED

[Richard Doll]

Sorry for post . . .Reboot solved problem.

thanks for reading.

dick

Arrow navigation in FM tables

[Peter Gold]

Hi, John:

You can read about customizing FrameMaker's menus and keystrokes in 
Customizing_FrameMaker_Products.pdf in the onlineManuals directory of 
your FrameMaker installation.

When you learn the notation of FrameMaker's universal (unix-originally) 
keystrokes, you'll be able to interpret the codes for table operations, 
and other stuff, too, that's listed in the command files. FrameMaker has 
keystroke sequences that are mostly mnemonic, for almost everything you 
can do with mice and menus.

Briefly, for some table operations:

NOTE: In this notation, "!" represents the Escape key.
NOTE: To perform an action, tap the keys in sequence; don't hold them 
down in combinations.
NOTE: Case matters.

To move around in a table:

! t m r (table move insertion pointer right one cell)
! t m l (table move insertion pointer left one cell) (l is lowercase ell)

To select in a table:

NOTE: To get the best mnemonic value from these sequences, think of 
"Highlight" rather than "Select"

! t h e (table highlight entry; that is, current cell)
! t h r (table highlight row)
! t h t (table highlight table)


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

John Pilla wrote:
> I recall (among other custom) configurations, 
> that when I last used FM (5.5) I was able to customize a file, 
> and thus enable using the arrow keys to navigate within an FM table. 
>
> (Why Adobe continues to leave this out - is a mystery to me.) 
>
> However, that was about 7 years ago. 
> So can someone refer me to where, if any - this is documented, 
> or how I might go about configuring FM to enable this? 
>
> Thanks. 
>   

Frame's future

[Bill Swallow]

Except for the fibbing part. I don't advocate saying you know
something you don't, even if learning it is a non-issue. I advocate
being up front about it and talk about the tech stuff you do know.
Many times companies will then agree that tools are easy to learn and
that the concepts are transferable from one tool to another.

On 3/8/07, Sean Pollock  wrote:
> Thanks Bill, we agree!

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http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
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"I see your OOO message and raise you a clue."

Arrow navigation in FM tables

[John Pilla]

Thanks, your e-mail sparked my ever getting older memory, 
this is what I now recall doing (7 years, ago). 
I had created an extensive   CustomUI   file, and I had lots of 
customization's. 
Like arrow key navigation in tables, 
and Font size & style drop-downs akin to MSWord, etc. 
 
~ John ~ 
Sr. Learning Specialist, Educational Services 
MRO Software (An IBM Company) 
Phn: +1.781.280.2003, Fax: +1.781.280.2201 
John.Pilla at us.ibm.com 
 
Maximo 5 Certified, Maximo 6 Certified EAM 
Foundation Certificate in IT Service Management 
 


John Pilla wrote:
> I recall (among other custom) configurations, 
> that when I last used FM (5.5) I was able to customize a file, 
> and thus enable using the arrow keys to navigate within an FM table. 
> 
> (Why Adobe continues to leave this out - is a mystery to me.) 
> 
> However, that was about 7 years ago. 
> So can someone refer me to where, if any - this is documented, 
> or how I might go about configuring FM to enable this? 

John,

Read the Online Manual, Customizing Frame Products (in  your FM install 
directory). I think what you need to do is add some lines to a 
customui.cfg file,

>
>
>
>

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Technical writers explain How to Work the Product."

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Frame 6 crashes on WinXP with edited fmdlg.dll file

[Van Boening, Tammy]

Is this the patch that you might have forgotten to install?

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=1420 


HTH,

TVB

Tammy L. Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
303-729-7733
tammy.vanboening at fiserv.com
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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+tammy.vanboening=fiserv@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+tammy.vanboening=fiserv.com at lists.frameusers.com
] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:22 PM
To: FrameUsers List; Free Framers
Subject: Frame 6 crashes on WinXP with edited fmdlg.dll file

Hi folks

Just posting this in case anyone else has had the same problem.  I
received a new PC late last year and had to reinstall all my software,
updates, patches, etc.  I also changed at this time from Win2k to WinXP.
I duly installed Frame 6, plus the updates for 405 and XP, plus my own
customisations (keyboard shortcuts, maker.ini, plug-ins, etc).  
All was well until last week when I tried to open a Frame file with
missing referenced graphics.  I selected to skip the graphics, and Frame
crashed.  To cut a long story short, I uninstalled Frame, then
reinstalled it, making sure I did install the 405 and XP patches, then
installed my customisations.  I then tried to open the same file and got
the same result - Frame crashed. 

At this point I remembered that after the first crash, I thought I might
have forgotten to install the XP patch after I got the new PC.  At that
point I tried installing it again, and it came up with an error about a
file not being as expected.  I was pretty sure the file it mentioned was
fmdlg.dll, so I then suspected that the crash might have happened
because I have edited fmdlg.dll to increase the size of some dialogue
boxes (using Resource Hacker).  I replaced my edited fmdlg.dll file with
the original file and opened the Frame file with missing graphics again.
I chose to skip the missing files and it opened with no problems.  I
went back to my edited fmdlg.dll file and Frame crashed.

I've chosen to keep my edited fmdlg.dll file as the expanded dialogue
boxes are very useful.  But now I know I can change back to the original
if I need to open a file with missing graphics.

Has anyone else encountered this problem, or know of a way around it?  
Is it fixed in Frame 7?  I presume not many people have hacked around
with the fmdlg.dll file, so I may be the only person to come across this
problem?

Regards

Dave

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Frame output scales incorrectly - corrupt joboptions file?

[Dov Isaacs]

There is nothing in the joboptions file that provides
any option for scaling of page sizes. Distiller opens
the .joboptions files read-only. Furthermore, if those
files were "corrupted," "closing down everything and
reopening" would not make the problem go away.

Exactly how are you producing the PDF file? 
Save as PDF? Printing directly to the Adobe PDF PostScript
printer driver instance? Somehow (how? driver? options? etc.?)
producing a PostScript file and manually force feeding it 
to the Distiller (yum, yum)?

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Karen Mardahl
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:23 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Frame output scales incorrectly - corrupt joboptions file?
> 
> Hi
> 
> I have an annoyance, not really a problem, with my Frame 
> 7.1p116 on XP and Distiller 7.0.7.
> 
> My PDF is distilled at 1439% or 1398% or some such random, 
> 4-digit figure. After several normal print jobs, something 
> cracks, and I get this mess. Closing down everything and 
> reopening makes the bug go away.
> 
> I am alert to the problem so I view the Print dialog 
> carefully - I swear! It always says 100% in the scale box. 
> That is why I suspect Distiller. I feel that I have to assume 
> FM generates a .ps file that is going to produce output 
> scaled to 100%, and that Distiller chews it up somehow.
> 
> Or...?
> 
> Ideas as to the whereabouts of this annoyance? I can go for 
> months without a sign, but now I had the problem twice in one 
> day. My Acrobat is 7.0.9, but that cannot possibly be the 
> culprit, can it?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> regards, Karen Mardahl

Navigate Back?

[Hales-Crotchett, Nicole]

Quick question; I'm running Frame 7.1, unstructured. Is there a magic
keystroke to go back to the source after clicking a cross reference?

Thanks-
Nicole

Navigate Back? SOLVED

[Hales-Crotchett, Nicole]

 Never mind. A very nice Framer let me know this came up last week and
he clued me in on the keystroke. I apologize for the bandwidth! What can
I say? It's been a terribly long week.

Cheers all!
Nicole


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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:38 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Navigate Back?

Quick question; I'm running Frame 7.1, unstructured. Is there a magic
keystroke to go back to the source after clicking a cross reference?

Thanks-
Nicole


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Arrow navigation in FM tables

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Stuart,

With this modification, you are able to navigate
in tables with the arrow keys - but navigating
within paragraphs is then no more possible.

There's a free FrameScript TableNavigation.fsl
available: http://www.itl.eu/108.0.html#c400
that lets you navigate within tables with the
arrow keys.
(Unfortunately, currently only the german site is
online.)

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Stuart Rogers
Date: 08.03.2007 20:23
> John,
> 
> Read the Online Manual, Customizing Frame Products (in  your FM install 
> directory). I think what you need to do is add some lines to a 
> customui.cfg file,
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> HTH,
> 
> --
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> Toronto, ON, Canada
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

Frame Improvements

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:40:43 -0500, "Art Campbell"  
wrote:

>The easiest way to clean them up is to "wash" the file by saving to
>MIF and opening and saving that version.
>
>omsys.com has a utility program that does these steps for you.

Actually, it's not a separate utility, it's part of our main
plugin.  You can obtain the free unlimited demo version at:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
and install at least the Frame plugin DLLs (two of them).
Then "Wash Via MIF" will appear on your File menu, and
you can do it for all files in a book with one click using 
Shift-File from a book.  There are other handy utilities in 
there too... like our automation tool, runfm.  All free.

>And Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plug-in is a must-have if you're going
>to be working with tables very much.

I totally agree.  In fact, I think there's a much better chance 
that Rick's plugin will fix the OP's problem than that Wash Via 
MIF will...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/