Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Dark, Just found that Microsoft Mary, Mike and Sam all say you may playt eh markit if you own stock, but you dnt! I have to say that it is probably all my fault. Left out the apostrophe in don't. I never caught that because I always buy stock. Sure do miss out on allot of cash if you don't. You know like the gold, oil and the possible cash made when you play the stock. Pretty funny though about the dnt. BFN Jim I wouldn't even write Email without a spell checker. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Dark, Yeah, I have never been able to find sapi5 voice dictionary's. Really haven't found anything but rate and volume. Sure would be cool if they had some of the stuff that you can do with the DecTalk32 software version. But truthfully I am just so happy that my computer can talk with a realistic sounding female voice. I listened to the Accent SA for years, then the Double Talk and then the Eloquence female voices. I do though use a USB Triple Talk synthesizer on my game development computer. BFN Jim Youthful figure: What you get when asking a woman's age. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Well i usually do buy stock if I can, but sometimes, as happened with my friends, i just didn't land on the right square for that. We've actually had far more fun out of the phrase but you daaant! than we could possibly have got if you'd added the apostropphy Jim, so never mind, actually, now that I play with realspeak daniel, i almost miss Sam, almost but not quite! Afterall, you might not have as much fun if you missed sam, but you dnt! ;D. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Dark, Just found that Microsoft Mary, Mike and Sam all say you may playt eh markit if you own stock, but you dnt! I have to say that it is probably all my fault. Left out the apostrophe in don't. I never caught that because I always buy stock. Sure do miss out on allot of cash if you don't. You know like the gold, oil and the possible cash made when you play the stock. Pretty funny though about the dnt. BFN Jim I wouldn't even write Email without a spell checker. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Jim. Well, i was never around in the really! early days, but remembering the appolo external speech box with orphius I had with Hal v3, I sometimes feel I have no right to complain these days about synths! And don't get me started on the way talking calculators or thermometres used to sound. I stil remember one in a science lesson saying the air temperature was twenty twuuu diggennees c! ;D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Dark, Yeah, I have never been able to find sapi5 voice dictionary's. Really haven't found anything but rate and volume. Sure would be cool if they had some of the stuff that you can do with the DecTalk32 software version. But truthfully I am just so happy that my computer can talk with a realistic sounding female voice. I listened to the Accent SA for years, then the Double Talk and then the Eloquence female voices. I do though use a USB Triple Talk synthesizer on my game development computer. BFN Jim Youthful figure: What you get when asking a woman's age. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Jim, Yeah, ATT Charles is a pretty good voice. I also like Lorn, but haven't gotten around to purchasing that voice yet. Perhaps when I get Lorn I might begin using her in games as I think it might end some of the controversy over Karen. Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Thomas, I know one gentleman that says that he likes the Sam voice. Of course he kind of sounds like Sam himself. grin I like Crystal for Email, Lauren and Charles for games. But do use Kate and other voices now and then. And of course Kate is on the Book Sense. But I even like Anjali now and then just for fun. BTW One needs to be careful when programming for sapi5, I have found over 250 acronyms that one or more of the voices say. You know like Crystal will say laughing out loud for LOL, By the way for BTW etc. Some will say liter for Lt. and others will say lieutenant. Some will say street for ST. and others will say saint. Just have to watch stuff like that. grin BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark, Oh, now that I know your secret my evil master mind can foil your secret weapon. In my new game I'll put some necessary commands on control+0 and control+8 so you can't use those hot keys any more. Hahahahahahaha! dark wrote: again though Charles, in hal, there's no need to actually unload the program, just flick the voice and or keys of with ctrl zero and ctrl 8 (though as i said, I don't usually turn the keys off unless I need to). The only time I actually have to unload Hal completely, is when upgrading to a new version of Hal, and sinse the installer is self-voicing this isn't quite the same deal. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark, As I said with Window Eyes 7.11 I don't have to unload the screen reader to play game x. I just tend to do so for personal reasons. I guess the techie side of me. Although, I am glad to know I don't need to unload Window Eyes when playing as that does free me up to chat on an instent messenger client or check on some task i might be running in the background like a very large download. dark wrote: funny Tom, I've never felt the need to with hal, and haven't experienced slowdown or anything similar. Indeed, there have been occasions when I've played a bit of a game, flicked out of it, turned Hal's voice on to read E-mails or deal with other matters, then gone back to the game. This is especially true of games where I have to wait for some reason, like Che martin's card games waiting for new players, or even waiting for your character to regain health in technoshock (which seems to take ages). I also flick Hal's voice off when watching dvds for the same reason. I'd actually miss this feature quite a lot if it wasn't possible to use. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Dam you tom! Well one evil scheme deserves another. How about I redirect all the links to your games on audiogames.net to point to an ultra virus of doom! Then, everyone will complain that you wiped their harddrives, --- and you'll be sued, sent into exile, and probably mutate into something horrific in the process! guahahaha! one evil scheme deserves another! Either that, or I'll just change Hal's hotkeys, but that would be considderably less evil. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, Oh, now that I know your secret my evil master mind can foil your secret weapon. In my new game I'll put some necessary commands on control+0 and control+8 so you can't use those hot keys any more. Hahahahahahaha! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] fps/tps question
Hi dark, Yeah, when it comes to accessible games the distinction between first person and third person breaks down because those labels refer to a completely visual concept that isn't there in our games. Games like Shades of Doom, Monkey Business, Sarah, you name it are probably technically first person do to the fact the audio is specifically oriented to the player's position in the game world. That is you hear things in relationship to the player character as though you were physically there in the game. It is virtually impossible to separate the player's position and the relation ship of the other items independently the way you could if it were a third person game and make it accessible. In that sense Mysteries of the Ancients, although it is a side-scroller, is still from the point of view of the first person. You hear things to the left and right of Angela, as though you were were standing there, and you react as though you were in that certain place and time physically. In the third person You wouldn't necessarily see or hear sounds from her point of view, but see it as if you were outside the world looking in on the people inside it. Kind of like looking through a window at them and hearing and seeing them from that vantage point. dark wrote: Hi nicol. Just as in English, it's very symple. if you experience thei game from your character's perspective directly, Ie, seeing the sites, and hearing the sounds that he/she would around you, then it's first person. If the character themselves is there for you to move around, and you experience the environment around the character from a different point of view than that of the character, it's a third person game. Most audio games are first person, sinse for obvious reasons it's easier to experience the sounds from your characters perspective. The only ones I can think of which aren't, are Side scrollers like Q9 and mota, where you here what is in front of and behind your character, and know where your character is by the sound of his/her footsteps, --- independently of the environment, it's possible Night of parasite, treasure hunt, and maybe entombed might also count as third person, though this is argueable. Actually, in audio, sinse it's more difficult to represent a large amount of environmental information at a glance, the distinction is a litle more blurry. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
It's not just in games Tom that I find this useful. in winamp or power dvd I can flick Hal's voice on to deal with config, or selecting a new folder to listen to, then flick it off again and just use keyboard commands as normal, without Hal saying X whenever I start Winamp playing etc. Doing this I was able to actually customize power dvd's time skip feature to exactly 91 seconds, which very nicely skips the voyager opening theme, which I'd otherwise have to sit through many times sinse I've been doing a a full watch through of all 7 series (I'm mid way through series six currently). Pluss, I now know the vastly important information that voyager's opening sequence is exactly 92 seconds long, which obviously was invaluable to learn! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, As I said with Window Eyes 7.11 I don't have to unload the screen reader to play game x. I just tend to do so for personal reasons. I guess the techie side of me. Although, I am glad to know I don't need to unload Window Eyes when playing as that does free me up to chat on an instent messenger client or check on some task i might be running in the background like a very large download. dark wrote: funny Tom, I've never felt the need to with hal, and haven't experienced slowdown or anything similar. Indeed, there have been occasions when I've played a bit of a game, flicked out of it, turned Hal's voice on to read E-mails or deal with other matters, then gone back to the game. This is especially true of games where I have to wait for some reason, like Che martin's card games waiting for new players, or even waiting for your character to regain health in technoshock (which seems to take ages). I also flick Hal's voice off when watching dvds for the same reason. I'd actually miss this feature quite a lot if it wasn't possible to use. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
I particularly liked how during your BG Hearts podcast it said that your game had been ray zumed. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... My most amusing sam moment was when I was in the shower in colidge, and my friends turned up unexpectedly early. Not wanting to rush my shower, I then yelled instructions through the door for my friends to run game of life, and we played it while I showered. I stil remember the fits of laughter we Had, when booming through the bathroom door loud but not clear, over the sound of the shower spray was you may playt eh markit if you own stock, but you dnt! In fact with my friends the phrase but you daaant! became a bit of an in joke. Needless to say, when my install issue for Mike and mary was fixed I was very pleased indeed, and when I acquired realspeak daniel later on, I was thrilled! While I did use microsoft sam for about six months of game playing in 2006, I think going back to it would be a real torment! Now you may disagree with me if you like sam, but you dnt! grin! Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] fps/tps question
I've always felt tom that audio side scrollers were third person, sinse you here not what is literally around the character's position, but what is ahead of and behind them, something which they themselves couldn't here, or at least, wouldn't here in the same position as the player here's it. I also disagree that the first/third person distinction is exclusively visual at all. Remember, that the very origin of the phrase comes from literature. first person, ie, talking about only yourself I walked down the road and Second person, Ie, talking to a second present person Ie, you fell down a hole you idiot! Third person, Ie, a tirciary observer independent both of the person expeirncing events, and the person to whome those events, and a second party witnissing them Ie she climbed out of the hole, because she was Angela carter and litle things like holes didn't bother her! Personally, i only tend to think of full audio games where you here what is literally around the character as first person, and games where you here the character's position independent of their surroundings as third person. So games like Shades of doom, packman talks, Terraformers, --- and also sterrio targiting affairs like troopanum where you physically move your targit and things are in it's range, I regard as first person. Games where your character is defigned pspecficially by sound and you here objects around that character independently of it's movement, --- such as all the audio side scrollers, alien outback (you can here and move your spaceship), and the grid based games such as entombed, night of parasite and treasurehunt I regard as third perwson, even with a limited, occasionally scrolling view point. An interesting distinction was made actually by a sited friend of mine who tried shades of doom. He's an avid fan of graphical doom and very familiar with the series. He actually said it was far easier for him to play by audio alone than with The graphical display in the gma engine, --- -which shows only vague representation in black and white, but from what might be called a top down perspective, rather than a first person one. Thus, when in a corridor, instead of seeing on the screen (as in real doom), what your character sees, you see the corridor as a white rectangle, with your character as a black circle in the center. You can therefore see all around your character, in front and behind. It might therefore be said though the sound is first person, the graphics (such as they are), are third person. sinse my spacial coordination is pretty pathetic, I just ran with this, --- -but my friend, being used to graphical doom, found it extremely difficult to work with and actually requested me to turn the graphics off because he found the transition of viewpoints very difficult. In the end though, this is probably just a matter of semantics and personal opinion, though it does bring up some interesting questions about the representative qualities of audio, but before I start going into aesthetics, cross sensory representation and theories of functionalism I'd better stop! Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Yep, he's a mean old man, that ray zumed! His french son, --- onry zumed isn't particularly nice either! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... I particularly liked how during your BG Hearts podcast it said that your game had been ray zumed. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... My most amusing sam moment was when I was in the shower in colidge, and my friends turned up unexpectedly early. Not wanting to rush my shower, I then yelled instructions through the door for my friends to run game of life, and we played it while I showered. I stil remember the fits of laughter we Had, when booming through the bathroom door loud but not clear, over the sound of the shower spray was you may playt eh markit if you own stock, but you dnt! In fact with my friends the phrase but you daaant! became a bit of an in joke. Needless to say, when my install issue for Mike and mary was fixed I was very pleased indeed, and when I acquired realspeak daniel later on, I was thrilled! While I did use microsoft sam for about six months of game playing in 2006, I think going back to it would be a real torment! Now you may disagree with me if you like sam, but you dnt! grin! Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
lol lol lol. and let's not forget the speak and spell... thomas, yes, lawren is fairly decent. to be honest I'm ok with any voice from any company, but caren doesn't just sound like the voice I'd want to hear all day lol - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Dark, Yeah, I have never been able to find sapi5 voice dictionary's. Really haven't found anything but rate and volume. Sure would be cool if they had some of the stuff that you can do with the DecTalk32 software version. But truthfully I am just so happy that my computer can talk with a realistic sounding female voice. I listened to the Accent SA for years, then the Double Talk and then the Eloquence female voices. I do though use a USB Triple Talk synthesizer on my game development computer. BFN Jim Youthful figure: What you get when asking a woman's age. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Dark and Jim, Been there done that as they say. I've played several text games and it drives me nuts when you get a character like Dr. Watson and it says Drive Watson instead of Doctor Watson. You might be playing some roll playing game or mud set in medieval times and it says street instead of saint. It is frustrating, but can be fixed in Window Eyes and Jaws by using the exception dictionaries. dark wrote: I've noticed realspeak daniel has far more trouble with that than orphius, or indeed sapi does. It's rather irritating actually to play a mud and have st read as street, or ms as manuscript. I've tried to find daniel's dictionary to fix this, but have had no luck so far.. That's again one reason I like orphius but as Jim said in an earlier post, i am very familiar with it. Beware the grue!¬ Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark, Well, I wouldn't go as far to say that institutions here do anything with accessible games. I merely was recounting a case where a couple of people i spoke to knew of Termite Torpedo as they had seen it in the Printing House catalogs for software, and assumed, I guess, that I had gotten my ideas for accessible games from that. They were holy ignorant of GMA, BSC,and some of the other developers who been on the scene for quite a while. My over all point in that post was to explain that there is no central source for gathering information for what is out there for the blind, and you generally hear about these things by word of mouth or a specific product is promoted by one of the major players in the adaptive technology industry. Certain institutions have adopted those products, and are unwilling to look at newer alternatives. For example, There can be no doubt that a company like Freedom Scientific has the lion's share of the accessibility market. If they were to promote Jaws friendly games, such as creating a few themselves, and selling them they would probably do well. They could even say they were the first to come up with a audio based side-scroller and the majority of Jaws users would whole-heartedly take their word for it, because the current accessible games market is rather limited. I've not found a way to even come close to marketing my games to the number of people who own Jaws for example. Clearly there is a problem with communicating and educating the majority of people around the world about what products and services are out there. Only those who have the lion's share like Freedom Scientific have the ability to make their products well known. They have several advantages I don't have such as financial resources for marketing, they have a reputation that has been growing since the mid to late 80's, they get state sponcering for their products, and so on. One way or another they have ways of getting their name and products out there where I have to rely on lists like this one and web sites like audiogames.net to bring in most of my customers. There is no PC World type magazine where various vendors like GW Micro, Dolphin, USA Games, or anyone else can place adds and write about there new products. There are things like ACB Radio that helps, but still I don't know how large an audience they really have. There are still the problem of people who have computers, but who may not have internet access. How are they to hear about these other products and services? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark, Hmmm...Perhaps I won't block your favorite control+0 and control+8 keys after all. I'll just put a virus in my next game download that works as a seek and destroy bot which will disable Hal forever and install Window-Eyes on your system. The demo of course. Can't give you the commercial one. Muhahahahaha! dark wrote: Dam you tom! Well one evil scheme deserves another. How about I redirect all the links to your games on audiogames.net to point to an ultra virus of doom! Then, everyone will complain that you wiped their harddrives, --- and you'll be sued, sent into exile, and probably mutate into something horrific in the process! guahahaha! one evil scheme deserves another! Either that, or I'll just change Hal's hotkeys, but that would be considderably less evil. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
I probably don't need to say it, but Hal has a dictionary too (surprised eh?). the only problem is as Jim's said, where is sapi's dictionary! this gets on my wick extremely when I'm playing a mud, and is often the reason I prefer to actually use non-self-voicing If interpreters with hal, rather than self-voicing ones with sapi. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hello Tom. This is unfortunately true. For the last few years I've gone to sight village each summer. This is basically the uk Vi tech show, where companies, charities and organizations wrent stalls and show off their stuff, while lots of people turn up and look. Not once though have I seen any accessible games mentioned there at all. I believe Azabat had a stall one year, but they certainly don't go frequently, nor is azabat any kind of a good representation of what audio games are like in general. this does give me an idea though. Maybe I should see if I could go to site village as a representative of the gameaccessibility special interest group and audiogames.net, to do a general show off of accessible games. I wouldn't really need any more than my laptop (which has lots of games on it anyway), a plug, and possibly a net connection if i wanted to show off something online like sound rts or Che martin's games, and using a double sterrio jack I could wear one pear of headphones, participants another, and thus I could give instructions. The show is not until next July, --- -but I'm not sure how late you have to book your places, or what you have to pay to the organizers to get a stall. Maybe though I'll research this and suggest the idea to Richard and Sander. While it might not be ideal, it'd certainly be a good way of reaching a lot of Vi people who may or may not have access to the net, and sinse I would be representing audiogames.net, I could show several different types of game depending upon what peoples interest was. hmmm, I'll look in to that one and see where it goes. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi, This is a brilliant idea. The problem is that there's no real form of advertising for these games and some of them are absolutely fantastic and a ton of work goes into these games. If audiogames.net did go and represent the gaming community then that would be a helpful boost I'm sure. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 30 November 2009 17:23 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games Hello Tom. This is unfortunately true. For the last few years I've gone to sight village each summer. This is basically the uk Vi tech show, where companies, charities and organizations wrent stalls and show off their stuff, while lots of people turn up and look. Not once though have I seen any accessible games mentioned there at all. I believe Azabat had a stall one year, but they certainly don't go frequently, nor is azabat any kind of a good representation of what audio games are like in general. this does give me an idea though. Maybe I should see if I could go to site village as a representative of the gameaccessibility special interest group and audiogames.net, to do a general show off of accessible games. I wouldn't really need any more than my laptop (which has lots of games on it anyway), a plug, and possibly a net connection if i wanted to show off something online like sound rts or Che martin's games, and using a double sterrio jack I could wear one pear of headphones, participants another, and thus I could give instructions. The show is not until next July, --- -but I'm not sure how late you have to book your places, or what you have to pay to the organizers to get a stall. Maybe though I'll research this and suggest the idea to Richard and Sander. While it might not be ideal, it'd certainly be a good way of reaching a lot of Vi people who may or may not have access to the net, and sinse I would be representing audiogames.net, I could show several different types of game depending upon what peoples interest was. hmmm, I'll look in to that one and see where it goes. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 07:31:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 07:31:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
well tom, that is a serious threat indeed! I think in that case I'll register with the patant office the names tomb hunter, angela carter and mysteries of the ancients. Thenk, either you'll have to pay me lots of money to release your games, or, I'll sue you when they're released, --- and you'll have to sit in a small broom cupboard for the next 50 years while you rename and rewrite them entirely in assembler!! ha! ha! ha! Yes I know, this is a low and dirty trick, --- but all's fair in love, war and screen reader related threatenings! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, Hmmm...Perhaps I won't block your favorite control+0 and control+8 keys after all. I'll just put a virus in my next game download that works as a seek and destroy bot which will disable Hal forever and install Window-Eyes on your system. The demo of course. Can't give you the commercial one. Muhahahahaha! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Thanks darren. I think audiogames.net in this case would mean me, and Cx2, the other English mod, if he wished, and was able to come. I will investigate the possibility though. For a start, I don't know if there is a charge, and if there is, whether the game accessibility group would be willing or not to pay it just to have me sit on my bumb and tell members of the British public how great accessible games are for a day or two. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games Hi, This is a brilliant idea. The problem is that there's no real form of advertising for these games and some of them are absolutely fantastic and a ton of work goes into these games. If audiogames.net did go and represent the gaming community then that would be a helpful boost I'm sure. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 30 November 2009 17:23 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games Hello Tom. This is unfortunately true. For the last few years I've gone to sight village each summer. This is basically the uk Vi tech show, where companies, charities and organizations wrent stalls and show off their stuff, while lots of people turn up and look. Not once though have I seen any accessible games mentioned there at all. I believe Azabat had a stall one year, but they certainly don't go frequently, nor is azabat any kind of a good representation of what audio games are like in general. this does give me an idea though. Maybe I should see if I could go to site village as a representative of the gameaccessibility special interest group and audiogames.net, to do a general show off of accessible games. I wouldn't really need any more than my laptop (which has lots of games on it anyway), a plug, and possibly a net connection if i wanted to show off something online like sound rts or Che martin's games, and using a double sterrio jack I could wear one pear of headphones, participants another, and thus I could give instructions. The show is not until next July, --- -but I'm not sure how late you have to book your places, or what you have to pay to the organizers to get a stall. Maybe though I'll research this and suggest the idea to Richard and Sander. While it might not be ideal, it'd certainly be a good way of reaching a lot of Vi people who may or may not have access to the net, and sinse I would be representing audiogames.net, I could show several different types of game depending upon what peoples interest was. hmmm, I'll look in to that one and see where it goes. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 07:31:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 07:31:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Yeah there's a charge. And maybe if this is advertising for accessible games which will put money in the developers pockets then why can't they collectively put up some money for you? I mean after all it's not going to benefit audiogames.net to do this. Not financially so there either has to be an insentive for doing it or some of the cost has to be covered. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 30 November 2009 17:34 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games Thanks darren. I think audiogames.net in this case would mean me, and Cx2, the other English mod, if he wished, and was able to come. I will investigate the possibility though. For a start, I don't know if there is a charge, and if there is, whether the game accessibility group would be willing or not to pay it just to have me sit on my bumb and tell members of the British public how great accessible games are for a day or two. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games Hi, This is a brilliant idea. The problem is that there's no real form of advertising for these games and some of them are absolutely fantastic and a ton of work goes into these games. If audiogames.net did go and represent the gaming community then that would be a helpful boost I'm sure. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 30 November 2009 17:23 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games Hello Tom. This is unfortunately true. For the last few years I've gone to sight village each summer. This is basically the uk Vi tech show, where companies, charities and organizations wrent stalls and show off their stuff, while lots of people turn up and look. Not once though have I seen any accessible games mentioned there at all. I believe Azabat had a stall one year, but they certainly don't go frequently, nor is azabat any kind of a good representation of what audio games are like in general. this does give me an idea though. Maybe I should see if I could go to site village as a representative of the gameaccessibility special interest group and audiogames.net, to do a general show off of accessible games. I wouldn't really need any more than my laptop (which has lots of games on it anyway), a plug, and possibly a net connection if i wanted to show off something online like sound rts or Che martin's games, and using a double sterrio jack I could wear one pear of headphones, participants another, and thus I could give instructions. The show is not until next July, --- -but I'm not sure how late you have to book your places, or what you have to pay to the organizers to get a stall. Maybe though I'll research this and suggest the idea to Richard and Sander. While it might not be ideal, it'd certainly be a good way of reaching a lot of Vi people who may or may not have access to the net, and sinse I would be representing audiogames.net, I could show several different types of game depending upon what peoples interest was. hmmm, I'll look in to that one and see where it goes. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 07:31:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 07:31:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
The one thing is I've played around with Jamal Masry's SayTools where you can get a program to talk using their screenreaders voice, or sapi if you want to. Other joke is thought about creating a game using actual jaws scripts, but, for example, to generate a random number, you'd have to make a call to an external DLL or something. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games I've never actually tried using Window-Eyes with Lone Wolf. I tend to use Sapi. But I am glad the game offers that option in case I ever decided to mix things up a bit for variety. And if I was to start developing games I would try to include options for as many screen readers as I could right from the outset so as not to seem like I was targetting one specific group of users. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Bryan, Well, don't forget GMA. As of Lonewolf 3.5 the game has Window Eyes API support. That happened because us non-Jaws users nagged David Greenwood until he realized not all of his Lonewolf customers are Jaws users, and we want the same access to the game as Jaws users. If he could use the JFW API for the game he could use the same for Window Eyes too. In the end he finally added Window Eyes and Sapi 5 support in version 3.5. However, that might not have happened if there were not enough non-Jaws users to maret such an upgrade. However, this is clearly a good case of how the developer uses Jaws, developed the game initially for a Jaws user base, and finally was asked to include other screen readers as part of the games speech output. Cases like this sets a president that we can't assume what access technology, if any, is present on the target computer. These days it could be a free and open source solution like NVDA for all we know. Therefore the game itself should provide all that is necessary for providing accessibility to itself independant of any specific screen reader or speech software that may or may not be present. Bryan Peterson wrote: The only company I've seen make allownaces is BSC Games, and that wasn't even a game. It was actually one of their Blindsoftware products, that Day-by-day Professional which offers support for Window-Eyes. But I still don't think they realize how well Window-Eyes meshes with games. I remember I forgot to unload WIndow-Eyes, which as I said I still do out of habbit, and I played a full game of Classic Pipe and didn't even realize Window-Eyes was still running until I'd quit Pipe. That was a welcome surprise. So I'm trying to unload Window-Eyes less when I play most audio games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4649 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4649 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you
Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Well, I've checked the site village information. It turns out there's actually an exhibition in edinboughr in march, which is literally only an hour on the train from where I am (though Bermingham isn't impossible sinse my parents live in Nottingham). I've sent as polite an E-mail as I can to the organizers of the exhibition, and i've presented audiogames.net as essentially a charity, sinse afterall nobody pays us, and we do it as a hobby in our spare time, or at least Cx2 and I do. How to cover the charge will be an interesting question, which will depend upon how much the charge is, and whether the gameaccessibility group actually has any cash. While I'm quite prepared to do this, i doubt I'll be able to pay for it myself if the charge is heavy, but we'll just have to see what they say. As to some sort of grant from the collective game devs, the only problem with that would be I can't guarantee to demonstrate anyone in particular's games, sinse I'm there to demonstrate audio games in general, rather than anybody's in particular. I'll probably just ask people what sort of games they might enjoy playing and go from there. Off the top of my head I think Q9, judgement day, a short spat of entombed, maybe a bit of smugglers 4, spoonbill Uno, and possibly (net connection willing), che martin's blackjack and a quick bit of Sryth would be a handy, attractive and varied selection, --- but I'll probably just wing it. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Quest engine etc. for interactive fiction type games
Just installed this software to start looking at it, and seems pretty usable along with jaws, for example: http://www.axeuk.com/quest/ They specifically call it something like creating games without having to program FWIW. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4650 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
That sounds like a good idea. I hope it is affordable to do, otherwise I am sure some of us would not mind giving a few bucks to do that. Just some thoughts, al - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games Hello Tom. This is unfortunately true. For the last few years I've gone to sight village each summer. This is basically the uk Vi tech show, where companies, charities and organizations wrent stalls and show off their stuff, while lots of people turn up and look. Not once though have I seen any accessible games mentioned there at all. I believe Azabat had a stall one year, but they certainly don't go frequently, nor is azabat any kind of a good representation of what audio games are like in general. this does give me an idea though. Maybe I should see if I could go to site village as a representative of the gameaccessibility special interest group and audiogames.net, to do a general show off of accessible games. I wouldn't really need any more than my laptop (which has lots of games on it anyway), a plug, and possibly a net connection if i wanted to show off something online like sound rts or Che martin's games, and using a double sterrio jack I could wear one pear of headphones, participants another, and thus I could give instructions. The show is not until next July, --- -but I'm not sure how late you have to book your places, or what you have to pay to the organizers to get a stall. Maybe though I'll research this and suggest the idea to Richard and Sander. While it might not be ideal, it'd certainly be a good way of reaching a lot of Vi people who may or may not have access to the net, and sinse I would be representing audiogames.net, I could show several different types of game depending upon what peoples interest was. hmmm, I'll look in to that one and see where it goes. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark, I am surprised you did not think of my Sarah game. You could say it was inspired by the Harry Potter books and games. True the voices are mainly Americans doing British accents, but then when I asked for volunteers to do British voices only Americans got back to me. Maybe you Brits don't like us Americans invading your school of magic! I do use several UK synthesized voices though. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hey Dark, Didn't Agrip do a trip to Sight Village once? I didn't go that year, just vaguely remember them being at some exhibition somewhere and it seemed to ring a bell. Anyway main reason for the post was just to add a bit of support to the idea. As far as I know the cost varies depending on how much advertising you want in the promo bumph, though I've no idea what the base rate or conditions that allow someone to exhibit are. Keep us updated though, I'd certainly drop by the stall for a bit of a game-off, it'd make a nice change from doing the rounds and hanging my head at some of the pricing and lack of inovation that's generally on offer. I should imagine between you and CX2 you'll have this covered if it comes to anything, but in case you need a London contingent with plenty of experience of presenting things in a this is easy and fun way then feel free to give me a shout... I'd be only too happy to help if I can. Scott On 11/30/09, Allan Thompson allan1.thomp...@cox.net wrote: That sounds like a good idea. I hope it is affordable to do, otherwise I am sure some of us would not mind giving a few bucks to do that. Just some thoughts, al - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games Hello Tom. This is unfortunately true. For the last few years I've gone to sight village each summer. This is basically the uk Vi tech show, where companies, charities and organizations wrent stalls and show off their stuff, while lots of people turn up and look. Not once though have I seen any accessible games mentioned there at all. I believe Azabat had a stall one year, but they certainly don't go frequently, nor is azabat any kind of a good representation of what audio games are like in general. this does give me an idea though. Maybe I should see if I could go to site village as a representative of the gameaccessibility special interest group and audiogames.net, to do a general show off of accessible games. I wouldn't really need any more than my laptop (which has lots of games on it anyway), a plug, and possibly a net connection if i wanted to show off something online like sound rts or Che martin's games, and using a double sterrio jack I could wear one pear of headphones, participants another, and thus I could give instructions. The show is not until next July, --- -but I'm not sure how late you have to book your places, or what you have to pay to the organizers to get a stall. Maybe though I'll research this and suggest the idea to Richard and Sander. While it might not be ideal, it'd certainly be a good way of reaching a lot of Vi people who may or may not have access to the net, and sinse I would be representing audiogames.net, I could show several different types of game depending upon what peoples interest was. hmmm, I'll look in to that one and see where it goes. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Yes phil! we don't want any ill mannered yankies in our propper English magic school thank you very much! ;D. being serious now, my one slight issue with sarah as a quick exhibition game is how easy it is to pick up and play without reading the manual or looking at any commands. If I can just tell someone click on a planet to fly there or hit anything nasty you here in the right speaker that is fine, but Sarah has many keys, and many sounds for people to get to grips with at one time. If I got someone who wanted a complex or heavily atmospheric game, I would indeed show them Sarah, --- but that's why it didn't occur to me when I was just randomly off the top of my head thinking of games I could quickly show off to passers by, that's also why I didn't include mota in that list either. That was also in no way intended as an exhaustive list, just some random thoughts on what games I might show people. Bare in mind, Site village is a very crowded affair with literally hundreds of people moving through it. It'd almost be a markit type affair with me sitting on a stall, --- and basically chatting to people as they passed, intermitantly giving them quick goes on a game or two, then (hopefully), telling them to move along because someone else wanted a turn! Btw, on the british voice acting front, if your stil in the business of adding to sarah, --- I've now got an R09 recorder some stage experience, and would be glad to give you a voice or two myself, just let me know who you might need. Beware thee grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, I am surprised you did not think of my Sarah game. You could say it was inspired by the Harry Potter books and games. True the voices are mainly Americans doing British accents, but then when I asked for volunteers to do British voices only Americans got back to me. Maybe you Brits don't like us Americans invading your school of magic! I do use several UK synthesized voices though. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Quest engine etc. for interactive fiction type games
Hi, I checked out the site and Quest seems to be pretty cool. It seems to do more then pick up and use kind of stuff but seems to be able to do random number generation and some other stuff I wasn't sure I understood. Thanks for this link. By the way, the FAQ did mention that it was usable by jaws users with a few small cursor issues. It also has an option to use Sappi voices which I thought was kind of cool. Lastly, what does FWIW mean? al - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:16 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Quest engine etc. for interactive fiction type games Just installed this software to start looking at it, and seems pretty usable along with jaws, for example: http://www.axeuk.com/quest/ They specifically call it something like creating games without having to program FWIW. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4650 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi Scot. Well I'm not sure, everything's stil in the possibly crazy idea stage at the moment, and I haven't even spoken to Cx2, or richard or Sander, sinse I'd like to know the facts from the organizers themselves first. Once I know what's going on, having an extra person on hand may be helpful, but again, we'll have to see. If the charge is based on leaflet space, again, I'm not sure how that will work, sinse while on the one hand we want to advertise, on the other, it's not quite as important that we give people huge amounts of promotional info to take away (just a note on www.audiogames.net and the existance of games would do), it's really just the general visibility factor which I think would be most helpful. Again though, I'll wait to see what the site village organizers have to say. I've never personally seen agrip there, but then again I've only known about audiogames from 2006 onwards, --- so it's possible they were there earlier on and I missed them. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games Hey Dark, Didn't Agrip do a trip to Sight Village once? I didn't go that year, just vaguely remember them being at some exhibition somewhere and it seemed to ring a bell. Anyway main reason for the post was just to add a bit of support to the idea. As far as I know the cost varies depending on how much advertising you want in the promo bumph, though I've no idea what the base rate or conditions that allow someone to exhibit are. Keep us updated though, I'd certainly drop by the stall for a bit of a game-off, it'd make a nice change from doing the rounds and hanging my head at some of the pricing and lack of inovation that's generally on offer. I should imagine between you and CX2 you'll have this covered if it comes to anything, but in case you need a London contingent with plenty of experience of presenting things in a this is easy and fun way then feel free to give me a shout... I'd be only too happy to help if I can. Scott On 11/30/09, Allan Thompson allan1.thomp...@cox.net wrote: That sounds like a good idea. I hope it is affordable to do, otherwise I am sure some of us would not mind giving a few bucks to do that. Just some thoughts, al - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games Hello Tom. This is unfortunately true. For the last few years I've gone to sight village each summer. This is basically the uk Vi tech show, where companies, charities and organizations wrent stalls and show off their stuff, while lots of people turn up and look. Not once though have I seen any accessible games mentioned there at all. I believe Azabat had a stall one year, but they certainly don't go frequently, nor is azabat any kind of a good representation of what audio games are like in general. this does give me an idea though. Maybe I should see if I could go to site village as a representative of the gameaccessibility special interest group and audiogames.net, to do a general show off of accessible games. I wouldn't really need any more than my laptop (which has lots of games on it anyway), a plug, and possibly a net connection if i wanted to show off something online like sound rts or Che martin's games, and using a double sterrio jack I could wear one pear of headphones, participants another, and thus I could give instructions. The show is not until next July, --- -but I'm not sure how late you have to book your places, or what you have to pay to the organizers to get a stall. Maybe though I'll research this and suggest the idea to Richard and Sander. While it might not be ideal, it'd certainly be a good way of reaching a lot of Vi people who may or may not have access to the net, and sinse I would be representing audiogames.net, I could show several different types of game depending upon what peoples interest was. hmmm, I'll look in to that one and see where it goes. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription
Re: [Audyssey] Quest engine etc. for interactive fiction type games
Hi Al, I'm not Jacob of course, but FWIW is an abreviation of for what it's worth. There ya go, instant gratification. Scott On 11/30/09, Allan Thompson allan1.thomp...@cox.net wrote: Hi, I checked out the site and Quest seems to be pretty cool. It seems to do more then pick up and use kind of stuff but seems to be able to do random number generation and some other stuff I wasn't sure I understood. Thanks for this link. By the way, the FAQ did mention that it was usable by jaws users with a few small cursor issues. It also has an option to use Sappi voices which I thought was kind of cool. Lastly, what does FWIW mean? al - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:16 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Quest engine etc. for interactive fiction type games Just installed this software to start looking at it, and seems pretty usable along with jaws, for example: http://www.axeuk.com/quest/ They specifically call it something like creating games without having to program FWIW. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4650 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
well let's just say you could call me a screen reader expert or close to that. I worked with nearly everything available on windows and had a few experiences with orca on the gnome desktop. when I started out I was running wineyes 4.5 and needless to say the control panel was very! confusing, the option names sorta weird. especially the keyboard echo. instead of having 4 levels you have 1 long list with keys, words, both and then keys, words and both with out interrupt instead of putting these 2 separately. I also at first had troubles applying changes globally, but as for day to day use (when I'm not digging in the thing) window-eyes was all in all a plezent experience to work with. then when I ended up on vista I started to use jaws daily. it was an easier thing to learn I'll admit and I got used to it quite a lot. dolphin's products, hmm. have these at school. I find them weird. the hot keys are especially confusing, sometimes requiring left, or specifrically, right, control, making me getting hal announcing the key instead of performing the function I expected it to do. I do, however, like its... uh. what was it called. verbosity schemes I think. it allows full modification of just about anything the thing says. for instance I changed it to say checked/unchecked instead of its default selected/unselected on checkboxes, that sort of thing. I wish though they made a seaprate buffer for msaa content instead of using their mouse emulation with some DOM thrown in to do the job. I did also test system access and nvda and I find I don't have to comment, the 2 are really nice readers. sorry if I went off topic at 1 point or another and sorry for the long message, and take care! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Really? That's a feature I've come to like in JAWS myself. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark, I thought a British based game would be of some interest in the UK. For easy demonstrations of the Sarah game, you could, 1, go through the sounds in the game list. 2. go through the spells list and cast one, such as Accio that will get you a broom at the front door. 3. Apparate to the great hall where Peves can steel your stuff! All quick and somewhat exciting things to do quickly. smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games Yes phil! we don't want any ill mannered yankies in our propper English magic school thank you very much! ;D. being serious now, my one slight issue with sarah as a quick exhibition game is how easy it is to pick up and play without reading the manual or looking at any commands. If I can just tell someone click on a planet to fly there or hit anything nasty you here in the right speaker that is fine, but Sarah has many keys, and many sounds for people to get to grips with at one time. If I got someone who wanted a complex or heavily atmospheric game, I would indeed show them Sarah, --- but that's why it didn't occur to me when I was just randomly off the top of my head thinking of games I could quickly show off to passers by, that's also why I didn't include mota in that list either. That was also in no way intended as an exhaustive list, just some random thoughts on what games I might show people. Bare in mind, Site village is a very crowded affair with literally hundreds of people moving through it. It'd almost be a markit type affair with me sitting on a stall, --- and basically chatting to people as they passed, intermitantly giving them quick goes on a game or two, then (hopefully), telling them to move along because someone else wanted a turn! Btw, on the british voice acting front, if your stil in the business of adding to sarah, --- I've now got an R09 recorder some stage experience, and would be glad to give you a voice or two myself, just let me know who you might need. Beware thee grue! Dark. - Original Me --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
I always buy stock even if I can't. especially if I have unlucky roles early on in the game. At 02:54 a.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: Well i usually do buy stock if I can, but sometimes, as happened with my friends, i just didn't land on the right square for that. We've actually had far more fun out of the phrase but you daaant! than we could possibly have got if you'd added the apostropphy Jim, so never mind, actually, now that I play with realspeak daniel, i almost miss Sam, almost but not quite! Afterall, you might not have as much fun if you missed sam, but you dnt! ;D. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Dark, Just found that Microsoft Mary, Mike and Sam all say you may playt eh markit if you own stock, but you dnt! I have to say that it is probably all my fault. Left out the apostrophe in don't. I never caught that because I always buy stock. Sure do miss out on allot of cash if you don't. You know like the gold, oil and the possible cash made when you play the stock. Pretty funny though about the dnt. BFN Jim I wouldn't even write Email without a spell checker. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
well thats why I like to use hal over jaws, one thing I like is you can turn hotkeys and voice off with a couple keystrokes then go through and process say a game or something yet the speech is there on demand. At 04:59 a.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: It's not just in games Tom that I find this useful. in winamp or power dvd I can flick Hal's voice on to deal with config, or selecting a new folder to listen to, then flick it off again and just use keyboard commands as normal, without Hal saying X whenever I start Winamp playing etc. Doing this I was able to actually customize power dvd's time skip feature to exactly 91 seconds, which very nicely skips the voyager opening theme, which I'd otherwise have to sit through many times sinse I've been doing a a full watch through of all 7 series (I'm mid way through series six currently). Pluss, I now know the vastly important information that voyager's opening sequence is exactly 92 seconds long, which obviously was invaluable to learn! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, As I said with Window Eyes 7.11 I don't have to unload the screen reader to play game x. I just tend to do so for personal reasons. I guess the techie side of me. Although, I am glad to know I don't need to unload Window Eyes when playing as that does free me up to chat on an instent messenger client or check on some task i might be running in the background like a very large download. dark wrote: funny Tom, I've never felt the need to with hal, and haven't experienced slowdown or anything similar. Indeed, there have been occasions when I've played a bit of a game, flicked out of it, turned Hal's voice on to read E-mails or deal with other matters, then gone back to the game. This is especially true of games where I have to wait for some reason, like Che martin's card games waiting for new players, or even waiting for your character to regain health in technoshock (which seems to take ages). I also flick Hal's voice off when watching dvds for the same reason. I'd actually miss this feature quite a lot if it wasn't possible to use. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
weird where do you get the say tools from? I have most of the empowermentzone tools thanks to top tech tidbits but hmmm. At 06:32 a.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: The one thing is I've played around with Jamal Masry's SayTools where you can get a program to talk using their screenreaders voice, or sapi if you want to. Other joke is thought about creating a game using actual jaws scripts, but, for example, to generate a random number, you'd have to make a call to an external DLL or something. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games I've never actually tried using Window-Eyes with Lone Wolf. I tend to use Sapi. But I am glad the game offers that option in case I ever decided to mix things up a bit for variety. And if I was to start developing games I would try to include options for as many screen readers as I could right from the outset so as not to seem like I was targetting one specific group of users. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Bryan, Well, don't forget GMA. As of Lonewolf 3.5 the game has Window Eyes API support. That happened because us non-Jaws users nagged David Greenwood until he realized not all of his Lonewolf customers are Jaws users, and we want the same access to the game as Jaws users. If he could use the JFW API for the game he could use the same for Window Eyes too. In the end he finally added Window Eyes and Sapi 5 support in version 3.5. However, that might not have happened if there were not enough non-Jaws users to maret such an upgrade. However, this is clearly a good case of how the developer uses Jaws, developed the game initially for a Jaws user base, and finally was asked to include other screen readers as part of the games speech output. Cases like this sets a president that we can't assume what access technology, if any, is present on the target computer. These days it could be a free and open source solution like NVDA for all we know. Therefore the game itself should provide all that is necessary for providing accessibility to itself independant of any specific screen reader or speech software that may or may not be present. Bryan Peterson wrote: The only company I've seen make allownaces is BSC Games, and that wasn't even a game. It was actually one of their Blindsoftware products, that Day-by-day Professional which offers support for Window-Eyes. But I still don't think they realize how well Window-Eyes meshes with games. I remember I forgot to unload WIndow-Eyes, which as I said I still do out of habbit, and I played a full game of Classic Pipe and didn't even realize Window-Eyes was still running until I'd quit Pipe. That was a welcome surprise. So I'm trying to unload Window-Eyes less when I play most audio games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4649 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4649 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Audyssey] Quest engine etc. for interactive fiction type games
FWIW = for what it's worth Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Allan Thompson allan1.thomp...@cox.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Quest engine etc. for interactive fiction type games Hi, I checked out the site and Quest seems to be pretty cool. It seems to do more then pick up and use kind of stuff but seems to be able to do random number generation and some other stuff I wasn't sure I understood. Thanks for this link. By the way, the FAQ did mention that it was usable by jaws users with a few small cursor issues. It also has an option to use Sappi voices which I thought was kind of cool. Lastly, what does FWIW mean? al - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:16 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Quest engine etc. for interactive fiction type games Just installed this software to start looking at it, and seems pretty usable along with jaws, for example: http://www.axeuk.com/quest/ They specifically call it something like creating games without having to program FWIW. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4650 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4650 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4650 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Fwd: Now Only $49.95 for A Year of All inPlay! 75% off Chips; Gift Subscriptions Available
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Re: [Audyssey] Quest engine etc. for interactive fiction type games
Oh yes, and the other joke is can't remember why/when got hold of this game engine etc., but it was there in my one waiting to be tested folder. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Allan Thompson allan1.thomp...@cox.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Quest engine etc. for interactive fiction type games Hi, I checked out the site and Quest seems to be pretty cool. It seems to do more then pick up and use kind of stuff but seems to be able to do random number generation and some other stuff I wasn't sure I understood. Thanks for this link. By the way, the FAQ did mention that it was usable by jaws users with a few small cursor issues. It also has an option to use Sappi voices which I thought was kind of cool. Lastly, what does FWIW mean? al - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:16 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Quest engine etc. for interactive fiction type games Just installed this software to start looking at it, and seems pretty usable along with jaws, for example: http://www.axeuk.com/quest/ They specifically call it something like creating games without having to program FWIW. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4650 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4650 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4650 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
http://www.empowermentzone.com/saysetup.exe Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games weird where do you get the say tools from? I have most of the empowermentzone tools thanks to top tech tidbits but hmmm. At 06:32 a.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: The one thing is I've played around with Jamal Masry's SayTools where you can get a program to talk using their screenreaders voice, or sapi if you want to. Other joke is thought about creating a game using actual jaws scripts, but, for example, to generate a random number, you'd have to make a call to an external DLL or something. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games I've never actually tried using Window-Eyes with Lone Wolf. I tend to use Sapi. But I am glad the game offers that option in case I ever decided to mix things up a bit for variety. And if I was to start developing games I would try to include options for as many screen readers as I could right from the outset so as not to seem like I was targetting one specific group of users. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Bryan, Well, don't forget GMA. As of Lonewolf 3.5 the game has Window Eyes API support. That happened because us non-Jaws users nagged David Greenwood until he realized not all of his Lonewolf customers are Jaws users, and we want the same access to the game as Jaws users. If he could use the JFW API for the game he could use the same for Window Eyes too. In the end he finally added Window Eyes and Sapi 5 support in version 3.5. However, that might not have happened if there were not enough non-Jaws users to maret such an upgrade. However, this is clearly a good case of how the developer uses Jaws, developed the game initially for a Jaws user base, and finally was asked to include other screen readers as part of the games speech output. Cases like this sets a president that we can't assume what access technology, if any, is present on the target computer. These days it could be a free and open source solution like NVDA for all we know. Therefore the game itself should provide all that is necessary for providing accessibility to itself independant of any specific screen reader or speech software that may or may not be present. Bryan Peterson wrote: The only company I've seen make allownaces is BSC Games, and that wasn't even a game. It was actually one of their Blindsoftware products, that Day-by-day Professional which offers support for Window-Eyes. But I still don't think they realize how well Window-Eyes meshes with games. I remember I forgot to unload WIndow-Eyes, which as I said I still do out of habbit, and I played a full game of Classic Pipe and didn't even realize Window-Eyes was still running until I'd quit Pipe. That was a welcome surprise. So I'm trying to unload Window-Eyes less when I play most audio games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4649 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET
[Audyssey] News from PCS Games
Hi Folks, I was sure my update to the Sarah game would be finished by now. But my wife getting a new Guide dog from the Seeing Eye has slowed down my game development work. It's probably like having a three year old visit, strange feeding schedules, sibling interactions to police, and sleeping arrangements to be sorted out. So at this time I can only outline some of the changes in version 1.2 1. The number of different potions you can brew has increased from one to 3, and the locations of the ingredients are concentrated on only two floors. On the ground floor you will find a potion book that lists the three types of potions you can make plus the list of ingredients that are needed to brew them. Along with the current Polyjuice potion you will be able to brew Amortentia, a powerful love potion, and Felix Felicis, the Liquid Luck Potion. The potion brewing is now in the potions classroom on the dungeon level. 2. You can now apparate to specific parts of the floor you are on, once you find the map and use it. For example on the Ground floor and Basement you can apparate to the Broom Cupboard, or the Great Hall. Once you get the map you can then apparate to the Kitchen or the Centaur Divination Classroom, or the Hufflepuff common room. 3. The map allows you to examine just what is in the area around you, in an area 70 feet north and south and 100 feet east and west. 4. There are new rooms and new creatures that you will encounter, including one very nasty rat. 5. Once you find your way out of the castle you will have the opportunity to go through the Maze that was built for the Triwizard Tournament that has a surprise at the center, different than the cup in the book. 6. You will find many items from the joke shop sprinkled through the castle, especially in the students dorm rooms. On each floor of Hogwarts you will find a Skiving Snackbox filled with a random candy. If you drop a Snackbox candy near Filch you will hear. him picking it up, unwrapping and eating the candy. Filch then reading the name of the candy on the wrapper. and finally, Filch being sick and unable to go after you for a time. 7. You will find five more spells in your spell list. Descendo, Causes a trap door to lower. Wingardium Leviosa, Makes objects fly. Evanesco, Makes something vanish. Expelliarmus, the disarming spell. Reducto, Blasts solid objects out of your path. 8. random creature feature. On the easy level, some of the creatures are there 50 percent of the time while in standard they are there 75 percent of the time. This makes those two levels of difficulty slightly less difficult. 9. There is a novel titled Sarah Goode and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry, which is based on this game in your game folder. This is the ultimate walkthrough for the Sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry game. This update will be free to all registered owners of the game, and I will try my hardest to have it done in December. Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net http://www.pcsgames.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] News from PCS Games
Hi Phil. That's really great to hear! I look forward to playing. Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Folks, I was sure my update to the Sarah game would be finished by now. But my wife getting a new Guide dog from the Seeing Eye has slowed down my game development work. It's probably like having a three year old visit, strange feeding schedules, sibling interactions to police, and sleeping arrangements to be sorted out. So at this time I can only outline some of the changes in version 1.2 1. The number of different potions you can brew has increased from one to 3, and the locations of the ingredients are concentrated on only two floors. On the ground floor you will find a potion book that lists the three types of potions you can make plus the list of ingredients that are needed to brew them. Along with the current Polyjuice potion you will be able to brew Amortentia, a powerful love potion, and Felix Felicis, the Liquid Luck Potion. The potion brewing is now in the potions classroom on the dungeon level. 2. You can now apparate to specific parts of the floor you are on, once you find the map and use it. For example on the Ground floor and Basement you can apparate to the Broom Cupboard, or the Great Hall. Once you get the map you can then apparate to the Kitchen or the Centaur Divination Classroom, or the Hufflepuff common room. 3. The map allows you to examine just what is in the area around you, in an area 70 feet north and south and 100 feet east and west. 4. There are new rooms and new creatures that you will encounter, including one very nasty rat. 5. Once you find your way out of the castle you will have the opportunity to go through the Maze that was built for the Triwizard Tournament that has a surprise at the center, different than the cup in the book. 6. You will find many items from the joke shop sprinkled through the castle, especially in the students dorm rooms. On each floor of Hogwarts you will find a Skiving Snackbox filled with a random candy. If you drop a Snackbox candy near Filch you will hear. him picking it up, unwrapping and eating the candy. Filch then reading the name of the candy on the wrapper. and finally, Filch being sick and unable to go after you for a time. 7. You will find five more spells in your spell list. Descendo, Causes a trap door to lower. Wingardium Leviosa, Makes objects fly. Evanesco, Makes something vanish. Expelliarmus, the disarming spell. Reducto, Blasts solid objects out of your path. 8. random creature feature. On the easy level, some of the creatures are there 50 percent of the time while in standard they are there 75 percent of the time. This makes those two levels of difficulty slightly less difficult. 9. There is a novel titled Sarah Goode and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry, which is based on this game in your game folder. This is the ultimate walkthrough for the Sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry game. This update will be free to all registered owners of the game, and I will try my hardest to have it done in December. Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net http://www.pcsgames.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] draconis update?
HI, I noted at the start of the year we received this update, frm draconis: A new year has begun for Draconis Entertainment, and we’ve got tons of exciting projects in the works. We will be releasing several new titles, updating existing titles, and developing our next generation gaming engines. These new engines will allow us to release titles under both Mac OS X and Windows simultaneously, which is something we’ve been working toward for quite some time. These new technologies should also mean that we can get new games to you more quickly. 2009 should prove to be a big year for us, and we look forward to offering you the best in accessible games. so no news on any of the mentioned titles coming out before the end of 2009? Just curious I know release dates are not given but why make bold statements if they can not be met --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] draconis update?
you need to understand that things do not go as we want sometimes. thats probably their case. but indeed, dont promise what you cant fullfill -Mensagem original- De: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 30 de Novembro de 2009 22:20 Assunto: [Audyssey] draconis update? HI, I noted at the start of the year we received this update, frm draconis: A new year has begun for Draconis Entertainment, and weve got tons of exciting projects in the works. We will be releasing several new titles, updating existing titles, and developing our next generation gaming engines. These new engines will allow us to release titles under both Mac OS X and Windows simultaneously, which is something weve been working toward for quite some time. These new technologies should also mean that we can get new games to you more quickly. 2009 should prove to be a big year for us, and we look forward to offering you the best in accessible games. so no news on any of the mentioned titles coming out before the end of 2009? Just curious I know release dates are not given but why make bold statements if they can not be met --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] draconis update?
I'd be very interested to hear about Draconis' progress. They were working on a new registration system over the summer. It was completed (I haven't witnessed it) and since then I've heard nothing. Last twitter says great things are afoot from mid-august. On 11/30/09, Mauricio Almeida mauricio...@uol.com.br wrote: you need to understand that things do not go as we want sometimes. thats probably their case. but indeed, dont promise what you cant fullfill -Mensagem original- De: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 30 de Novembro de 2009 22:20 Assunto: [Audyssey] draconis update? HI, I noted at the start of the year we received this update, frm draconis: A new year has begun for Draconis Entertainment, and we’ve got tons of exciting projects in the works. We will be releasing several new titles, updating existing titles, and developing our next generation gaming engines. These new engines will allow us to release titles under both Mac OS X and Windows simultaneously, which is something we’ve been working toward for quite some time. These new technologies should also mean that we can get new games to you more quickly. 2009 should prove to be a big year for us, and we look forward to offering you the best in accessible games. so no news on any of the mentioned titles coming out before the end of 2009? Just curious I know release dates are not given but why make bold statements if they can not be met --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] draconis update?
not complaining just commenting on this was supposedly a good fruitful year yet nothing On 30 Nov 2009, at 22:29, James Dietz wrote: I'd be very interested to hear about Draconis' progress. They were working on a new registration system over the summer. It was completed (I haven't witnessed it) and since then I've heard nothing. Last twitter says great things are afoot from mid-august. On 11/30/09, Mauricio Almeida mauricio...@uol.com.br wrote: you need to understand that things do not go as we want sometimes. thats probably their case. but indeed, dont promise what you cant fullfill -Mensagem original- De: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 30 de Novembro de 2009 22:20 Assunto: [Audyssey] draconis update? HI, I noted at the start of the year we received this update, frm draconis: A new year has begun for Draconis Entertainment, and we’ve got tons of exciting projects in the works. We will be releasing several new titles, updating existing titles, and developing our next generation gaming engines. These new engines will allow us to release titles under both Mac OS X and Windows simultaneously, which is something we’ve been working toward for quite some time. These new technologies should also mean that we can get new games to you more quickly. 2009 should prove to be a big year for us, and we look forward to offering you the best in accessible games. so no news on any of the mentioned titles coming out before the end of 2009? Just curious I know release dates are not given but why make bold statements if they can not be met --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] draconis update?
i know will. i didnt intend to be rude either. -Mensagem original- De: James Dietz james.j.di...@gmail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 30 de Novembro de 2009 17:29 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] draconis update? I'd be very interested to hear about Draconis' progress. They were working on a new registration system over the summer. It was completed (I haven't witnessed it) and since then I've heard nothing. Last twitter says great things are afoot from mid-august. On 11/30/09, Mauricio Almeida mauricio...@uol.com.br wrote: you need to understand that things do not go as we want sometimes. thats probably their case. but indeed, dont promise what you cant fullfill -Mensagem original- De: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 30 de Novembro de 2009 22:20 Assunto: [Audyssey] draconis update? HI, I noted at the start of the year we received this update, frm draconis: A new year has begun for Draconis Entertainment, and weve got tons of exciting projects in the works. We will be releasing several new titles, updating existing titles, and developing our next generation gaming engines. These new engines will allow us to release titles under both Mac OS X and Windows simultaneously, which is something weve been working toward for quite some time. These new technologies should also mean that we can get new games to you more quickly. 2009 should prove to be a big year for us, and we look forward to offering you the best in accessible games. so no news on any of the mentioned titles coming out before the end of 2009? Just curious I know release dates are not given but why make bold statements if they can not be met --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
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Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
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Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
thanks At 09:52 a.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: http://www.empowermentzone.com/saysetup.exe Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games weird where do you get the say tools from? I have most of the empowermentzone tools thanks to top tech tidbits but hmmm. At 06:32 a.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: The one thing is I've played around with Jamal Masry's SayTools where you can get a program to talk using their screenreaders voice, or sapi if you want to. Other joke is thought about creating a game using actual jaws scripts, but, for example, to generate a random number, you'd have to make a call to an external DLL or something. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games I've never actually tried using Window-Eyes with Lone Wolf. I tend to use Sapi. But I am glad the game offers that option in case I ever decided to mix things up a bit for variety. And if I was to start developing games I would try to include options for as many screen readers as I could right from the outset so as not to seem like I was targetting one specific group of users. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Bryan, Well, don't forget GMA. As of Lonewolf 3.5 the game has Window Eyes API support. That happened because us non-Jaws users nagged David Greenwood until he realized not all of his Lonewolf customers are Jaws users, and we want the same access to the game as Jaws users. If he could use the JFW API for the game he could use the same for Window Eyes too. In the end he finally added Window Eyes and Sapi 5 support in version 3.5. However, that might not have happened if there were not enough non-Jaws users to maret such an upgrade. However, this is clearly a good case of how the developer uses Jaws, developed the game initially for a Jaws user base, and finally was asked to include other screen readers as part of the games speech output. Cases like this sets a president that we can't assume what access technology, if any, is present on the target computer. These days it could be a free and open source solution like NVDA for all we know. Therefore the game itself should provide all that is necessary for providing accessibility to itself independant of any specific screen reader or speech software that may or may not be present. Bryan Peterson wrote: The only company I've seen make allownaces is BSC Games, and that wasn't even a game. It was actually one of their Blindsoftware products, that Day-by-day Professional which offers support for Window-Eyes. But I still don't think they realize how well Window-Eyes meshes with games. I remember I forgot to unload WIndow-Eyes, which as I said I still do out of habbit, and I played a full game of Classic Pipe and didn't even realize Window-Eyes was still running until I'd quit Pipe. That was a welcome surprise. So I'm trying to unload Window-Eyes less when I play most audio games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4649 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
[Audyssey] quest and ff game books
Hi all, I was wondering if translating the fighting fantasy gamebooks and similar products to be used in the quest text adventure creater would be legal or not. I think it could be possible, although I have to sit down and mess with the thing for a while to get a better idea. al The truth will set you free Jesus the Messiah 33AD --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] quest and ff game books
i suppose so, if you dont say you created them -Mensagem original- De: Allan Thompson allan1.thomp...@cox.net Para: gamers discussion list Gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 30 de Novembro de 2009 18:14 Assunto: [Audyssey] quest and ff game books Hi all, I was wondering if translating the fighting fantasy gamebooks and similar products to be used in the quest text adventure creater would be legal or not. I think it could be possible, although I have to sit down and mess with the thing for a while to get a better idea. al The truth will set you free Jesus the Messiah 33AD --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Promotion was:Screen Readers and Games
Hi Phil. Nice suggestions, mucking about with spells or being got by peeves hadn't actually occurred to me as things I could show in a demo. As for the nationality business, well we get so many american films books and just about everything else over here, nobody would particularly take too much notice of a game being overly american or not unless it required some sort of specific knolidge to play, like Jim's american football or baseball games. Sarah would appeal to people on the basis that it's a complex and detailed adventure game, and one very well researched and based in harry potter, far more than simply the fact it happens to be set in England. While most people in England (even me, a card carrying non sports fan), know how basically how socker works, sports from other countries can be a litle less easily understandable, one reason why I needed the rules of baseball added to Jim's baseball game before I could play it, and one reason I'm stil less than clear on how american football works myself. In fairness, as someone who doesn't particularly take sport seriously, I am probably equally ignorant about Crickit, and in fact find my friend who's a crickit fan equally incomprehensible when he goes into specific crickit lingo, though for general national averages, there are probably more socker and crickit fans in england (socker being particularly popular), than fans of American football, baseball or baskit ball, hence my need to specify which sort of football I'm talking about, sinse generally in the Uk football pretty exclusively means socker. Apart from sports though, I can't really think of anything which wouldn't come across over here simply for not being British, or be better if it was, even wild west is pretty well known about as a genre. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
I actually prefer both the way hal Handles virtual focus and screen recognition and interaction myself, I actually found the jaws multiple modes system rather confusing. In Hal for example, it's so natural for me to be in virtual focus for web pages, I'm quite familiar with all it's short cuts and nuances, and thus when I have to use it for a game like smugglers, or for an unusual application, it's controls for reading and navigation are very familiar, even if the html specific stuff isn't available. Likewise, I don't mind the double control system either. These though, are very much simply part of me having been such a long time Hal user, heck, i stil remember when what later became virtual focus and is now the dolphin curser was called screen reading mode, and could do nothing more than literally read what text was on screen in the currently focused window, and not interact with it, that was back in Hal version 3. I was also amused (and a litle disturbed), when Dolphin announced that version 10 would no longer come with the version four keyset, sinse they felt that keyset was no longer needed as keys had been standardized for so long, though could stil be dwnloaded from teir sie. I had to laugh, sinse I stil remember upgrading from version 4 to version 5 9 years ago, and after trying the version four keyset, deciding it'd be more worth my while to get used to the new version 5 keys than persist with the version 4 ones which didn't seem to let me access some of version 5's new features. That's quite scary in a way! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games well let's just say you could call me a screen reader expert or close to that. I worked with nearly everything available on windows and had a few experiences with orca on the gnome desktop. when I started out I was running wineyes 4.5 and needless to say the control panel was very! confusing, the option names sorta weird. especially the keyboard echo. instead of having 4 levels you have 1 long list with keys, words, both and then keys, words and both with out interrupt instead of putting these 2 separately. I also at first had troubles applying changes globally, but as for day to day use (when I'm not digging in the thing) window-eyes was all in all a plezent experience to work with. then when I ended up on vista I started to use jaws daily. it was an easier thing to learn I'll admit and I got used to it quite a lot. dolphin's products, hmm. have these at school. I find them weird. the hot keys are especially confusing, sometimes requiring left, or specifrically, right, control, making me getting hal announcing the key instead of performing the function I expected it to do. I do, however, like its... uh. what was it called. verbosity schemes I think. it allows full modification of just about anything the thing says. for instance I changed it to say checked/unchecked instead of its default selected/unselected on checkboxes, that sort of thing. I wish though they made a seaprate buffer for msaa content instead of using their mouse emulation with some DOM thrown in to do the job. I did also test system access and nvda and I find I don't have to comment, the 2 are really nice readers. sorry if I went off topic at 1 point or another and sorry for the long message, and take care! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Really? That's a feature I've come to like in JAWS myself. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] News from PCS Games
Fantastic update news phil, though I do wonder how to brue felix felicis as if i remember rightly it took quite a long time. it's also nice to know Harry's signiature spell has made it into the game. I'm of course talking about expelliarmus! My brother made the rather amusing comment that this seems to be the Harry potter default response, even when faced with certain death, and even when much more lethal alternatives are open! I'll also be interested to read the novel myself, in fact it's a novel way of making a walkthrough and spoiler file for a game, sorry, --- couldn't resist it! Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: [Audyssey] News from PCS Games Hi Folks, I was sure my update to the Sarah game would be finished by now. But my wife getting a new Guide dog from the Seeing Eye has slowed down my game development work. It's probably like having a three year old visit, strange feeding schedules, sibling interactions to police, and sleeping arrangements to be sorted out. So at this time I can only outline some of the changes in version 1.2 1. The number of different potions you can brew has increased from one to 3, and the locations of the ingredients are concentrated on only two floors. On the ground floor you will find a potion book that lists the three types of potions you can make plus the list of ingredients that are needed to brew them. Along with the current Polyjuice potion you will be able to brew Amortentia, a powerful love potion, and Felix Felicis, the Liquid Luck Potion. The potion brewing is now in the potions classroom on the dungeon level. 2. You can now apparate to specific parts of the floor you are on, once you find the map and use it. For example on the Ground floor and Basement you can apparate to the Broom Cupboard, or the Great Hall. Once you get the map you can then apparate to the Kitchen or the Centaur Divination Classroom, or the Hufflepuff common room. 3. The map allows you to examine just what is in the area around you, in an area 70 feet north and south and 100 feet east and west. 4. There are new rooms and new creatures that you will encounter, including one very nasty rat. 5. Once you find your way out of the castle you will have the opportunity to go through the Maze that was built for the Triwizard Tournament that has a surprise at the center, different than the cup in the book. 6. You will find many items from the joke shop sprinkled through the castle, especially in the students dorm rooms. On each floor of Hogwarts you will find a Skiving Snackbox filled with a random candy. If you drop a Snackbox candy near Filch you will hear. him picking it up, unwrapping and eating the candy. Filch then reading the name of the candy on the wrapper. and finally, Filch being sick and unable to go after you for a time. 7. You will find five more spells in your spell list. Descendo, Causes a trap door to lower. Wingardium Leviosa, Makes objects fly. Evanesco, Makes something vanish. Expelliarmus, the disarming spell. Reducto, Blasts solid objects out of your path. 8. random creature feature. On the easy level, some of the creatures are there 50 percent of the time while in standard they are there 75 percent of the time. This makes those two levels of difficulty slightly less difficult. 9. There is a novel titled Sarah Goode and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry, which is based on this game in your game folder. This is the ultimate walkthrough for the Sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry game. This update will be free to all registered owners of the game, and I will try my hardest to have it done in December. Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net http://www.pcsgames.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
hmmm I like the way jaws handles the web, just like a standard page, also how it handles advanced word and excell functions. However I don't care about how it handles winamp or eudora and some other apps. At 01:44 p.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: I actually prefer both the way hal Handles virtual focus and screen recognition and interaction myself, I actually found the jaws multiple modes system rather confusing. In Hal for example, it's so natural for me to be in virtual focus for web pages, I'm quite familiar with all it's short cuts and nuances, and thus when I have to use it for a game like smugglers, or for an unusual application, it's controls for reading and navigation are very familiar, even if the html specific stuff isn't available. Likewise, I don't mind the double control system either. These though, are very much simply part of me having been such a long time Hal user, heck, i stil remember when what later became virtual focus and is now the dolphin curser was called screen reading mode, and could do nothing more than literally read what text was on screen in the currently focused window, and not interact with it, that was back in Hal version 3. I was also amused (and a litle disturbed), when Dolphin announced that version 10 would no longer come with the version four keyset, sinse they felt that keyset was no longer needed as keys had been standardized for so long, though could stil be dwnloaded from teir sie. I had to laugh, sinse I stil remember upgrading from version 4 to version 5 9 years ago, and after trying the version four keyset, deciding it'd be more worth my while to get used to the new version 5 keys than persist with the version 4 ones which didn't seem to let me access some of version 5's new features. That's quite scary in a way! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games well let's just say you could call me a screen reader expert or close to that. I worked with nearly everything available on windows and had a few experiences with orca on the gnome desktop. when I started out I was running wineyes 4.5 and needless to say the control panel was very! confusing, the option names sorta weird. especially the keyboard echo. instead of having 4 levels you have 1 long list with keys, words, both and then keys, words and both with out interrupt instead of putting these 2 separately. I also at first had troubles applying changes globally, but as for day to day use (when I'm not digging in the thing) window-eyes was all in all a plezent experience to work with. then when I ended up on vista I started to use jaws daily. it was an easier thing to learn I'll admit and I got used to it quite a lot. dolphin's products, hmm. have these at school. I find them weird. the hot keys are especially confusing, sometimes requiring left, or specifrically, right, control, making me getting hal announcing the key instead of performing the function I expected it to do. I do, however, like its... uh. what was it called. verbosity schemes I think. it allows full modification of just about anything the thing says. for instance I changed it to say checked/unchecked instead of its default selected/unselected on checkboxes, that sort of thing. I wish though they made a seaprate buffer for msaa content instead of using their mouse emulation with some DOM thrown in to do the job. I did also test system access and nvda and I find I don't have to comment, the 2 are really nice readers. sorry if I went off topic at 1 point or another and sorry for the long message, and take care! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Really? That's a feature I've come to like in JAWS myself. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All
Re: [Audyssey] quest and ff game books
Hello Al. It depends upon what you mean by fighting fantasy gamebooks. If you mean the original fighting fantasy series published in the 1980's, and now being republished, the answer is a resounding no, sinse text is copywrite, they are apparently publishing eletronic versions for Iphone, but though I've tried to contact them as regards creating accessible versions, i've had no luck thus far. If however you just mean ameter produced gamebooks which happen to use the fighting fantasy system, such as those found on the ff project site, go ahead. It would be possibly polite to contact the authors, but other than that go to it. In fact, if you wanted a suggestion of books which need converting, check out the windhammer competition entries from the ameter gamebook competition at http://www.arborell.com/ not to mention the chronicles books themselves, imho some of the finest written, deepest plotted, and most interesting gamebooks ever produced, commercial ones included! Actually if you could use random numbers to create an easier playing version of the torchlight game, that might be helpful to some people. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Allan Thompson allan1.thomp...@cox.net To: gamers discussion list Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:14 PM Subject: [Audyssey] quest and ff game books Hi all, I was wondering if translating the fighting fantasy gamebooks and similar products to be used in the quest text adventure creater would be legal or not. I think it could be possible, although I have to sit down and mess with the thing for a while to get a better idea. al The truth will set you free Jesus the Messiah 33AD --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Fair enough sean. I admit, I found the jaws method of totally restructuring web pages not to be to my taste at all, especially for online games which feature links in specific places at the top or bottom to be helpful to the player. I'll also say, it makes things easier when i've got my sighted friends here doing things with the mouse, to be able to flick Hal off and on as needed and have the screen display web pages, or indeed anything else, in a way which they can also read quite successfully. I've had some fun playing through online gamebooks like project.aon using these methods. Again though, this is probably just a case of me being much more used to doing things with Hal. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games hmmm I like the way jaws handles the web, just like a standard page, also how it handles advanced word and excell functions. However I don't care about how it handles winamp or eudora and some other apps. At 01:44 p.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: I actually prefer both the way hal Handles virtual focus and screen recognition and interaction myself, I actually found the jaws multiple modes system rather confusing. In Hal for example, it's so natural for me to be in virtual focus for web pages, I'm quite familiar with all it's short cuts and nuances, and thus when I have to use it for a game like smugglers, or for an unusual application, it's controls for reading and navigation are very familiar, even if the html specific stuff isn't available. Likewise, I don't mind the double control system either. These though, are very much simply part of me having been such a long time Hal user, heck, i stil remember when what later became virtual focus and is now the dolphin curser was called screen reading mode, and could do nothing more than literally read what text was on screen in the currently focused window, and not interact with it, that was back in Hal version 3. I was also amused (and a litle disturbed), when Dolphin announced that version 10 would no longer come with the version four keyset, sinse they felt that keyset was no longer needed as keys had been standardized for so long, though could stil be dwnloaded from teir sie. I had to laugh, sinse I stil remember upgrading from version 4 to version 5 9 years ago, and after trying the version four keyset, deciding it'd be more worth my while to get used to the new version 5 keys than persist with the version 4 ones which didn't seem to let me access some of version 5's new features. That's quite scary in a way! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games well let's just say you could call me a screen reader expert or close to that. I worked with nearly everything available on windows and had a few experiences with orca on the gnome desktop. when I started out I was running wineyes 4.5 and needless to say the control panel was very! confusing, the option names sorta weird. especially the keyboard echo. instead of having 4 levels you have 1 long list with keys, words, both and then keys, words and both with out interrupt instead of putting these 2 separately. I also at first had troubles applying changes globally, but as for day to day use (when I'm not digging in the thing) window-eyes was all in all a plezent experience to work with. then when I ended up on vista I started to use jaws daily. it was an easier thing to learn I'll admit and I got used to it quite a lot. dolphin's products, hmm. have these at school. I find them weird. the hot keys are especially confusing, sometimes requiring left, or specifrically, right, control, making me getting hal announcing the key instead of performing the function I expected it to do. I do, however, like its... uh. what was it called. verbosity schemes I think. it allows full modification of just about anything the thing says. for instance I changed it to say checked/unchecked instead of its default selected/unselected on checkboxes, that sort of thing. I wish though they made a seaprate buffer for msaa content instead of using their mouse emulation with some DOM thrown in to do the job. I did also test system access and nvda and I find I don't have to comment, the 2 are really nice readers. sorry if I went off topic at 1 point or another and sorry for the long message, and take care! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Really? That's a feature
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
I'll keep this message for blackmailing purposes. It'll prove that Thomas Ward did not do it. It will show who did it. Now, I'm sure we can come up with a suitable arrangement of payment for my silence? Mwah, ah, ah, ah, ah! --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Dam you tom! Well one evil scheme deserves another. How about I redirect all the links to your games on audiogames.net to point to an ultra virus of doom! Then, everyone will complain that you wiped their harddrives, --- and you'll be sued, sent into exile, and probably mutate into something horrific in the process! guahahaha! one evil scheme deserves another! Either that, or I'll just change Hal's hotkeys, but that would be considderably less evil. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, Oh, now that I know your secret my evil master mind can foil your secret weapon. In my new game I'll put some necessary commands on control+0 and control+8 so you can't use those hot keys any more. Hahahahahahaha! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Send him a special edition of a game as a Hal oh een? gift. There goes his screen reader. --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, Hmmm...Perhaps I won't block your favorite control+0 and control+8 keys after all. I'll just put a virus in my next game download that works as a seek and destroy bot which will disable Hal forever and install Window-Eyes on your system. The demo of course. Can't give you the commercial one. Muhahahahaha! dark wrote: Dam you tom! Well one evil scheme deserves another. How about I redirect all the links to your games on audiogames.net to point to an ultra virus of doom! Then, everyone will complain that you wiped their harddrives, --- and you'll be sued, sent into exile, and probably mutate into something horrific in the process! guahahaha! one evil scheme deserves another! Either that, or I'll just change Hal's hotkeys, but that would be considderably less evil. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hmm. This is getting fun! --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games well tom, that is a serious threat indeed! I think in that case I'll register with the patant office the names tomb hunter, angela carter and mysteries of the ancients. Thenk, either you'll have to pay me lots of money to release your games, or, I'll sue you when they're released, --- and you'll have to sit in a small broom cupboard for the next 50 years while you rename and rewrite them entirely in assembler!! ha! ha! ha! Yes I know, this is a low and dirty trick, --- but all's fair in love, war and screen reader related threatenings! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, Hmmm...Perhaps I won't block your favorite control+0 and control+8 keys after all. I'll just put a virus in my next game download that works as a seek and destroy bot which will disable Hal forever and install Window-Eyes on your system. The demo of course. Can't give you the commercial one. Muhahahahaha! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] draconis update?
When directly bringing this issue to Draconis Entertainment, what was the response? --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] draconis update? HI, I noted at the start of the year we received this update, frm draconis: A new year has begun for Draconis Entertainment, and we’ve got tons of exciting projects in the works. We will be releasing several new titles, updating existing titles, and developing our next generation gaming engines. These new engines will allow us to release titles under both Mac OS X and Windows simultaneously, which is something we’ve been working toward for quite some time. These new technologies should also mean that we can get new games to you more quickly. 2009 should prove to be a big year for us, and we look forward to offering you the best in accessible games. so no news on any of the mentioned titles coming out before the end of 2009? Just curious I know release dates are not given but why make bold statements if they can not be met --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
hmmm I may have an older version but hal does not always show me everything and it chooses to crash loads more than jaws. hal has its uses though. I suppose I navigate via headdings loads these days. At 02:29 p.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: Fair enough sean. I admit, I found the jaws method of totally restructuring web pages not to be to my taste at all, especially for online games which feature links in specific places at the top or bottom to be helpful to the player. I'll also say, it makes things easier when i've got my sighted friends here doing things with the mouse, to be able to flick Hal off and on as needed and have the screen display web pages, or indeed anything else, in a way which they can also read quite successfully. I've had some fun playing through online gamebooks like project.aon using these methods. Again though, this is probably just a case of me being much more used to doing things with Hal. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games hmmm I like the way jaws handles the web, just like a standard page, also how it handles advanced word and excell functions. However I don't care about how it handles winamp or eudora and some other apps. At 01:44 p.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: I actually prefer both the way hal Handles virtual focus and screen recognition and interaction myself, I actually found the jaws multiple modes system rather confusing. In Hal for example, it's so natural for me to be in virtual focus for web pages, I'm quite familiar with all it's short cuts and nuances, and thus when I have to use it for a game like smugglers, or for an unusual application, it's controls for reading and navigation are very familiar, even if the html specific stuff isn't available. Likewise, I don't mind the double control system either. These though, are very much simply part of me having been such a long time Hal user, heck, i stil remember when what later became virtual focus and is now the dolphin curser was called screen reading mode, and could do nothing more than literally read what text was on screen in the currently focused window, and not interact with it, that was back in Hal version 3. I was also amused (and a litle disturbed), when Dolphin announced that version 10 would no longer come with the version four keyset, sinse they felt that keyset was no longer needed as keys had been standardized for so long, though could stil be dwnloaded from teir sie. I had to laugh, sinse I stil remember upgrading from version 4 to version 5 9 years ago, and after trying the version four keyset, deciding it'd be more worth my while to get used to the new version 5 keys than persist with the version 4 ones which didn't seem to let me access some of version 5's new features. That's quite scary in a way! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games well let's just say you could call me a screen reader expert or close to that. I worked with nearly everything available on windows and had a few experiences with orca on the gnome desktop. when I started out I was running wineyes 4.5 and needless to say the control panel was very! confusing, the option names sorta weird. especially the keyboard echo. instead of having 4 levels you have 1 long list with keys, words, both and then keys, words and both with out interrupt instead of putting these 2 separately. I also at first had troubles applying changes globally, but as for day to day use (when I'm not digging in the thing) window-eyes was all in all a plezent experience to work with. then when I ended up on vista I started to use jaws daily. it was an easier thing to learn I'll admit and I got used to it quite a lot. dolphin's products, hmm. have these at school. I find them weird. the hot keys are especially confusing, sometimes requiring left, or specifrically, right, control, making me getting hal announcing the key instead of performing the function I expected it to do. I do, however, like its... uh. what was it called. verbosity schemes I think. it allows full modification of just about anything the thing says. for instance I changed it to say checked/unchecked instead of its default selected/unselected on checkboxes, that sort of thing. I wish though they made a seaprate buffer for msaa content instead of using their mouse emulation with some DOM thrown in to do the job. I did also test system access and nvda and I find I don't have to comment, the 2 are really nice readers. sorry if I went off topic at 1 point or another and sorry for the long message, and take care! - Original
